Frank Herbert on the origins of Dune (1965)
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- Опубликовано: 5 май 2017
- Willis E. McNelly interviews Frank Herbert on February 3, 1969 at Herbert's house.
Set in the distant future amidst a feudal interstellar society in which noble houses, in control of individual planets, owe allegiance to the Padishah Emperor, Dune tells the story of young Paul Atreides, whose noble family accepts the stewardship of the desert planet Arrakis. As this planet is the only source of the "spice" melange, the most important and valuable substance in the universe, control of Arrakis is a coveted - and dangerous - undertaking. The story explores the multi-layered interactions of politics, religion, ecology, technology, and human emotion, as the forces of the empire confront each other in a struggle for the control of Arrakis and its "spice". 
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"The difference between a hero and an antihero is where you stop the story..."
You either die a hero...
@@michaelc.4724 It goes other way too.
I absolutely love that quote. I'm writing it down and throwing it on my cork board right after I write this comment.j
In my opinion, the Jedi were evil
@@AMPoverlord You'll find that the various beliefs we cling to depend greatly on our point of view.
whoever found this and put it online deserves a medal
It’s lovely how Herbert keeps saying “well the way I saw it..” instead of saying “no, it’s like this”. He birthed this story, yet he let it be everyone’s
Beautifully said.
You send something you made out into the world and it becomes what people further make of it 👩🔧🇺🇲🛠️🇷🇺
One of the core tenets of communication is understanding the flaws of perception unique to the individual.
Shut up
I wonder if anything I sent out or will ever send out, will grow or become hidden under the sands of time.⏳
I was exposed to dune when I was incarcerated for several months. It single handedly gave me a transcendental experience after contemplating it for a long time. I am now into permaculture and ecology and have never read or heard herbert speak or write outside of his first book. I am so grateful to hear this interview! Herbert is a very wise and educated man and I am even more moved on my paths in life. Thank you.
That's a great story...best of luck.
I found House Atreides while i was locked up also. After fighting for weeks to get to the library i discovered it. Then shortly after i was transferred to another facility and their policy was to not let me have it. After another few months i finally managed to get it back and finish it. The book was a huge lift for my spirits! I was going to keep it with me upon release but determined that it should stay in there for people to read.
I met Herbert once. I suspect he would've been proud of you. He saw religion nd environment are tied to each other.
@@tomboughan2718 that really means a lot to me thank you so much for saying it. Im finally onto the second book now and making good progress on the property I got! Bless you.
@@marspl Congratulations brother!
The interviewer, Willis McNelly, was an english literature professor and grew up a science fiction fan by way of his father. He wrote text books on science fiction writing and went on to author the Dune Encyclopedia in the 80s.
And you know they were smoking that good spice for this interview, too😌💯
" The language is spoken long before it is written; and I think that unconsciously we still accept it as an oral transmission. " - Frank Herbert
yes!
Its been a proven scientific fact that reading something out loud helps your brain store it into memory much better than just reading it, i'm guessing since oral communication and language was a natural process of evolution and language formed organically within human civilizations whereas written language is strictly a man made construct created to try and somehow capture the spoken word in a permanent form which cannot be done, you can see this in the inability to properly translate different words and ideas between languages and some languages have such subtlety to their words and can change the entire meaning with just a slight inflection. The english language is perhaps the worst language there is for capturing emotion and nuance, it is straight and to the point and makes for a good universal language because of its lack of nuance and ease of learning but it is too stuffy and business like.
@@King_Flippy_Nipswonderful observation, I read a book, technocracy, by social critic Neil postman about the disposition of the English language as scientific, universal medium. Your comment also reminds me of the Egyptian tale as told by Greeks of king Thamus and god Thot.
"Ecology is the science of understanding consequences..."
"That was hot back then, he was just thinking economically."
Never a good idea to quote ignorance to facts.
The clock ticking in the backround is rather eerie.....
@Chris Snyder : It's far worse to either deny or become wantonly ignorant of facts.
Note: I am unsure (through no fault of my own) to witch comment you replied. So pardon me if my reply is misplaced.
@Giac Frank Herbert of course! An important influence was Paul Sears' book "The Living Landscape".
Even in 1965, Frank was predicting the danger of plastic waste. Brilliant man.
that's because it's obvious. i wonder sometimes if maybe people are considered brilliant because everyone else is so blind.
@@jpenneymrcoin6851 I think it's because they care and take the time to actually look. Plus it was his area of interest.
I feel he has an advantage of seeing its affect as he lived during a time which was unpolluted by plastics, and was seeing the advent of such pollution develop during his lifetime.
I remember being taught about plastic pollution primary school in the mid 1980s. Scientists have known these environmental problems have been building for a long time but the people with the most wealth and power have the least incentive to do much about it.
There was a huge ecological push in that time. It's where earth day came about. Try not to worship heroes too much, that ultimately leads to blindly believing something without doing more research yourself.
I really enjoyed how his wife was so into her husband's legendary project and had some good insights in this interview.
A time when women weren't competing against their husbands.
She was probably his alpha reader/proofreader/editor. What a great thing for a writer to be married to someone so in tune with what he is doing.
To show how much he loved her he based lady Jessica on her so not surprising
and that they cared enough to ask her to say it again into the mic
@@EdTowel-ww7yhI guess you aren't married, please stay that way.
This is surprisingly good audio quality for a recording that's almost 50 years old.
analog recording is superior to digital quality-wise, just not as convenient.
Also not bad from the author presumably at almost 20 minutes till 9 pm or am with the clock counting for the entire time
Not really. Its quite typical for the period. As recordings go, the hum of the electronics and the motor within the tape recorder are clearly audible, as is the his of the tape. The room in which the recording was made had excellent acustics for spoken word. A lot of the hiss could be easily removed today.
@CHIGGS 58TH Yep. A professional quality quarter inch reel to reel magnetic tape recorder was worth the same amount as as a car.
@@TheAureusPress That used to be correct but hasn't been for a couple years. Compressionless audio is possible now. It's not necessarily common because of file sizes, and no streaming service is gonna carry that, but it can be done.
Note that Dune ('65) and this interview ('69) happened before the oil crisis of '73 and '79 which triggered all kinds of energy saving campaigns and started to raise awareness on ecology as we know today.
Not that we ran out of oil, considering it's still being produced 50 years later.
@@okgood8529 They didn't say anything about running out of oil. An oil crisis is an issue of price, not supply. In the 70's it was the first time many people realized that more economical vehicles could save from pennies to entire dollars, in a country where a 6.0L engine had only 80hp, eg the US.
That is where the myth that Japanese cars are more economical was born (they already had electronic injection in the 70's while the US still relied on carburetors).
Moreso, there is more investment in green and renewable energy than coal, oil and gas, to many people's surprise; sadly that doesn't mean the investment in fossil fuels is zero AT ALL.
Some things are better like air quality but a lot is worse. Going against the corporate world was too much for the environmental movement to succeed. The Michael Moore movie _Planet of the Humans (2019)_ pretty much says the movement was taken over by sellouts to corporations around 2000, and has since accomplished little.
@@okgood8529are you dense? Both od these oil crisis were political
“Western man thought power could overcome anything … even his own ignorance.” That line is so good. It belongs in every philosophy class.
100%
In philosophy today, this talk reminded me of a discourse ethics philosopher, historian Enrique Dussel has theorized, ethical norms and traditions in a western world and he derives much of it from ancients civilizations and traditions of peripheral cultures. It’s also a critique of the western world and modernity with all its systems.
its pretty trite honestly. more like bad screenwriting than an actual insight. i expect a hell of a lot more out of a philosophy class
If this is the best and most important thing you got out of this there is a high probability that you're 1. a self loathing western cuck 2. some confused citizen of wakanda or 3. very stupid and biased (extra choice: all 3 of them).
@@jerkchickenblogyou sound trite. Aka, a baby
Sounds like a commie
I haven't read any of the Dune books but find this conversation wonderful. They all seem like intelligent, thoughtful, and interesting people. What a nice podcast - 40 years early!
You’d be doing yourself a massive favor if you read the books it’s an amazing read
@@mohammedashian8094 Understatement of the century
@@jeremysears4263 I don’t think so
A timeless podcast.
the audiobook is only 18hrs longer than this, could be worth it ;)
Listening to this 2 years later after watching Dune 2, this man is brilliant. Best sci fi story ever.
you mean 2 days? it’s in theaters rn
Bro did you by chance record any winning lottery numbers between now and 2026?
I think he meant he already watched this video 2 years ago, and now he’s rewatching it after Dune: Part Two
@@tylerw9645 I strongly disagree mate he came from the future
dune is overrated. mcu is way better. what a trash
IMHO, Herbert created a monumental work with his Dune series not only in Sci Fi, but in literature. The parallels, warning, and his understanding of human nature are deep and insightful. There is MUCH wisdom to be gleaned in his works, and I've had to read them several times and still do not claim to understand it!
It is interesting to actually hear his voice.. I wish I could have met him in person like Isaac Asimov I met him in Boston after a symposium he gave during a convention and had the pleasure of speaking one on one with him for several hours.
It was a meeting I will never forget
According to an interview that I read few days ago, he liked to think that the Duneverse had several layers, and people could discover a different one each time they read hes books, depending on each one's circumstances.
Well expressed and accurate.
Zannai Face Dancer I just started rereading and agree. The last time I read it was in my teens or 20’s. Now I’m in my 40s. Then I was captivated by the excitement of the mainlines of the plot, the exhilaration of power and psychedelic insight. This time through it’s the subtle details, the warnings, the meta narratives. In general those shades of meaning I didn’t have enough life experience to catch on to when I was younger. Dune is a great work of literature that can speak to a reader at different stages of life and understanding. It is so rare an accomplishment for an author to create something like this that can unfold multiple times at different levels. We desperately need more storytellers like this.
It is prescient that the inspiration for Dune was ecology.
Shit like this on RUclips almost makes up for the rest of the horror that is the internet and social media. Great upload!
Why call it shit then?
@@waadfrelle -> Soon as I saw [**IT] I felt the same tho't it was a shame that no one else was w/me - then I saw your Excellent 'memo' comment; THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR SOLIDARITY! // 'Our ''cause'' is JUST: We Must PREVAIL!',
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...an Exemplary soul!
Ain't that the truth!
Why are you calling it shit?
@@BenVaserlanit’s a compliment.
It's so odd hearing his voice,I never imagined that he would sound so gentle,like a kind grandfather
Would have probably been the perfect voice for Paulus Atreides.
I'm a fan of the writer for Dune and was sad to realize I could never meet in person but I was even happier to meet him in my mind I think =] He seemed to be open minded and cultivated, much be interesting to talk with. Thank you Frank ! May your name be eternal.
The Voice of the Original Dr. Kines.....
Andrew Kincade Kynes!
He reminds me a bit of George rr Martinin that.
Amazing interview!
really appreciate your series of videos on Dune.
I was going to ask if you watched this. Going from your series to this just blew my mind.
Of course i find you here. Love your work fam.
I was just thinking that I might find you here.
You are an amazing.
“Tribal organization... feudalism... is a natural organization of mankind.” Expressed every day in every political conflict.
Soon to be learned again, the hard way, by our society.
So it goes.
If it is the natural way, then there has to be a human modification to this tribal way of life that is more successful just as agriculture is compared to foraging.
Welcome to dune 2 electric boogaloo
LMAO, " you not understand " ... P A U L
Herbert is a genius but he actually gets a lot of his ideas about anthropology pretty wrong. Tribalism didn’t really come along till much later in human social development and feudalism didn’t exist till long after agriculture and sedentary farming populations. The small band society was the mode of the MAJORITY of human evolution. It would follow that we are more genetically predisposed to that kind of life which is probably why we are all so miserable.
This is crazy listening to what is essentially a 52 year old podcast. So awesome.
It's called an interview
hardly a traditional interview
@@josephisafan How many ""traditional interviews"" from the 1960s have you seen?
you have to be kidding me @@MentalParadox
And yet the world in 1960s especially in third world countries were plagued by backward thinkings, genocides and mass killings, back when the west was the pinnacle of modern civilization as we know it today, it is not strange to find interviews like this… however strange it maybe, we seemed to have move one step forward and two steps back, the regressing nature of humanity is very concerning at least imo
I always thought one of the fascinating things about the Dune universe, is that computers and AI are outlawed for being too dangerous. One of the many things that Hebert predicted accurately.
In _God Emperor of Dune_ he says the destruction of machines in the Butlerian Jihad was as much about not treating human beings as machines. But I do like the idea expressed that says they shall not make a machine to imitate the mind of humankind.
The problem with thinking machines were that they were used by men to enslave other men, it's nothing but a tool not inherently oppressive or liberating.
One of mankind's greatest holistic philosophers - thank you very much !
Greetings from Germany.
Summer of 69. How special. Glad these tapes survived. Good quality considering. I can even hear a ticking clock.
Counting down the seconds moments and on tone the hour of the author's life. Moments no one will get back. Moments which are valued thru time
Winter 1969: February
@@redteamla Summer in Australia and the Southern Hemisphere.
You can also hear Herbert doing cocaine.
God, i wish there were many more hours of Frank Herbert being interviewed.. I could listen to this guy forever..
Great, high-quality audio (from 1969) and in-depth discussion between Willis McNelly (later author of The Dune Encyclopedia) and Frank Herbert about the Dune saga. Fascinating.
Thank you for the information.
For 40 years I've been speculating on these novels. I feel like I just found buried treasure! He nailed it. Almost 70 years later and it's like he had prescience in the 50's. I write software on old IBM computers that existed when he wrote Dune using COBOL and RPG. Herbert is in every program I create.
Punch cards on the CDC6700 at the U of Washington, haha. Awesome interview. No such thing as "psychological warfare", etc.
Have you read Destination Void? It's about the deep implications of AI. Especially the potentially godlike version.
He mentions a Dump Program in Children of Dune. What is that?
What software do you write on an old IBM computer, what're the programs for, what do they do, and how is Herbert incorporated or manifested therein?
Just think about how intelligent Frank is with the way he speaks in this interview. How educated he must have been and there was no internet in his day to be found. The amount of research and planning that went into his universe is astounding.
Its called reading and research
Interesting to hear that Conrad's "Nostromo" got mentioned here, as the mining ship in "Alien" is also named after the book's hero, "Alien" being a movie that no doubt profited immensely from Jodorowsky's attempt to make a Dune movie…
If that movie got made imagine what the world would be like? We’d probably have free energy and cars that run on water
@@D3XthaTriF3ctAI'm not sure about that. It was gonna be over six hours and not stick to the book. I think it would have crashed & burned. A streaming series could work at that length, but I don't think Jodorowsky's version would do it justice. What I would like to see is a movie or show based on his graphic novel The Incal.
@@D3XthaTriF3ctAsorry but Jodorowsky’s dune is just a myth and way overrated, it would’ve been shit, you know why? Becuz Jodorowsky is good at insane acid trips doesn’t mean he can direct a giant sprawling epic, also just becuz the concept art looks good doesn’t mean that can actually translate onto the screen. Making sketches into actual models usually means they end up looking waayyyy different. Also he was wasting so much money on actors that he just thought would be ‘cool’ like Salvador Dali asking for 1,000,000 an hour on set, which is insane considering shooting one scene can sometimes take a whole day. Also mick jagger and david carradine for some reason and a bunch of strange casting choices. He wanted to make the movie 10 hrs long which is insane since he could’ve never afforded that. This movie could never have existed becuz that insane concept art could’ve never been translated to screen with such a miniscule budget in the 70s. Jodorowsky makes weird indie films, not giant epics which is why they first asked David Lean to make Dune. Why the hell r people so obsessed with this project that never had a chance of being fulfilled
@@GuineaPigEveryday
When you wrote "David Lean", did you mean "David Lynch"?
I never knew I ould hear Herbert, no less hear him explain Dune with a fellow intellectual. Cheers for uploading!
Now its on the interwebs forever unless we blow ourselves up.
I haven't even read Dune yet, but this man is incredibly intelligent and put a great amount of thought into his writing. I'm interested to read this series.
I hope you have already read it or are encouraged to do it son, you will never regret.
oh it is so good. It may improve the very way you think. Such a great read!
Do.
Ooooohhh I really hope u read it!!
Read it slowly , many important things are hidden in subtle ways. Sometimes one short sentence reveals and entire book series written by his son decades latter. Most important: start with Dune.
The sound of the grandfather clock is pretty wild, like an echo from a distant past!
The ticking of the clock reminds me of quietly reading in my grand parents house so many years ago.
Reminds me of the clock at my grandparents house when I was a kid.
This was an absolutely beautiful interview. The man was a real genius. Thank you for sharing.
This is invaluable, if only as a guide to pronouncing Bene Gesserit, Atreides, and others. :)
And Fremen, prounced by the interviewer without correction, as Free-men.
And Kynes pronounced Keense.
With Frank's son Brian acting as a consultant for Denis Villeneuve's upcoming adaptation, no doubt will the pronunciations be correct compared to previous adaptations (Lynch's film/the SciFi Mini-Series). So excited for the new movie(s)... :)
Fabian Lelo I don't think many things from the Lynch film are misspoken, Herbert was on set for several reasons, difficult pronunciations included
unfortunately not a guide to pronouncing Oregon, thanks to the interviewer
2020 and I am just hearing this now. 11:05 "Somebody said that Ecology is the science of understanding consequences." That hits very hard right now......
Just found this video on 23 november, 2021. Still very actual
The ecology of laws, fiat, force, etc. Yes
Thank you so much for this. Dune changed my life when I read it at the age of 16. Hearing this is invaluable.
Me too just a few ears earlier.
At the 48 minute he says,"Campbell turned down the story ". That would be the magazine editor who helped create the Golden Age of Science Fiction,and was a friend of Robert Heinlein. Talk about stories within stories that generate yet more commentary. This is wonderful,and only showed up today despite when it was posted. Interesting. Glad you posted it.
No. Campbell turned down the sequel 😊.....
Right. Someone said upon seeing _Dune Part 2_ that it might be this generations _Star Wars._ But I think not. I re-read _Dune Messiah_ after watching the movie and Paul admits his Empire sterilized 30 worlds, and killed 61 billion human beings. I don't think Luke Skywalker did that!
I wasn't sure what term they said Campbell believed in: perhaps predictiveness? I think that's where the _Foundation_ series excelled: the science of psychohistory to predict major future change, backed up by secret agents with psychic-powers to reduce chance and make it go the way they want.
He said _Dune Messiah_ saying predicting the future is a trap would go against Campbell's ideas and part of science fiction; although I don't think sci-fi really tries to "predict" the future. But in both books Paul seems trapped by having to play his part that will lead to jihad across the galaxy (or galaxies?).
I live here in southern Oregon and we ride quads over near Florence. You can see the results of the project he's talking about to this day. Dune grass and tree's to anchor the sand. Now 50 plus years later the government is fighting to beat back the plants and preserve the dunes.
Thank you for updating the information, I found the Project really interesting when I read about the origins of Dune. R.I.P Frank.
Interesting from various perspectives. Herbert wrote about plants destroying the desert in the sequels to Dune. And as a Bulgarian, I see a government destroying sand dunes right now.
8:47 On subduing nature: western man is blind on his backside.
AHAHAHAHA just like in Herbert’s story with the rewilding of Arrakkis
It was the dream of the Fremen to turn Dune into a place where plants flourished and water was free, and renamed Arrakis. The crisis of the title character in _God Emperor of Dune_ dying required seeking alternatives to spice and turning the planet back into the desert planet Dune for the worms to return.
I think in Washington and Oregon they are removing dams to restore rivers and their fish populations. Someone said only a small percentage
"The language was spoken long before it was written, and I think that unconsciously we still accept it as an oral transmission." 20:35
this is nothing short of f'n *GOLD*. thank you for uploading this!
Is it me or were we Americans so much more enlightened and visionary than we are today? So many great and towering leaders and thinkers. Today, we are led by shock jocks, propaganda TV, and politics driven by divisiveness.
'200 books as background to this novel' ... That is the way
I enjoyed this interview very much. He did set sparks on my mind. They are still fliying
Me too!
Yes, great interview and Herbert has explained here why I took so long to read it all. I had to revel in the sound of the words in my head instead of just downloading story info. Dune is so beautifully written as well as a great story. To be relished.
Just finished the whole six novel saga about a week ago (God Emperor of Dune FTW) and nearly finished with Brian Herbert's biography about his father "Dreamer of Dune". Greatest reading experience ever! Much thanks to Frank's wife Beverly for being a huge contributor to the epic saga!
25:07 "... The stories that are remembered are the ones that strike sparks from your mind!.."
47:59 "... The difference between a hero and an anti-hero is where you stop the story... " !
1:05:01 ".... a Dune Tarot!" (!)
1:10:42 "I terrified a gal one time..!"
Wow this is special. I love how Bev chimes in periodically. So many connotations. Lucas snagged parts of it but the depth of thought is mind boggling. At least he knew he was part of sci fi history
I'm here after having read the first Dune book, watched Part One and Part Two twice and currently reading Dune: Messiah
It's crazy to hear Herbert's voice, to get a sense of how articulate he was, and how passionate he was about ecology and his world of Dune
I took what frank Herbert said about leaders to my heart. There's not a day i don't think about his works. It came to define everything about me. His books are profound on so many levels and everytime I reread it i find new ideas or philosophy... moral questions to be answered within myself. God emperor of dune changed me forever.
The cat requesting a pat from 44.38 onwards is killing me :)
Thank you for saying "requesting a pat" (as we do in Australia), rather than "to be petted". "Petting" always had sexual connotations for me and felt just ..... YUCK when used in relation to an animal.
Also like the parrot in the background (I guess it’s one?)
Could be a Futar
"The consequences of what we are doing to our planet...there are ways of living with our planet, not against it." Gosh, if only he was here today! What Herbert was able to see so many years ago is astounding.
Edith Spencer you know if he didnt talk about it then its quite possible it wouldnt concern you today
I doubt it, what he said in the beginning, about the control of sand dune, people have been working on ecology for a long time, It wasn't trendy before, and the plebe follow the trend.... you can never seen anything or think outside of the trend. Which was always funny to people like me and Herbert, when we look around us and ask why all the plebe follow the trend and never question it.
Brian Mcbrian check our George King. He also talked about ecology around this time.
Of course as a cosmic avatar who entered Samadhi and saw the Mother Earth as a living being (Goddess), he would.
Brian Mcbrian Herd instinct, safety in numbers, intectually aswell.
"That was hot back then, he was just thinking economically."
That's great. So happy RUclips provides us with these gems.
He is so well-spoken and genuinely nice, such a great listen.
What an incredible interview. Thank you so much for uploading this. I found it funny that even in the 60s, Mr. Herbert was one of the few talking about the ever-enduring plastic bottle. Also, that he always had something to add in his answers. Not to scold or scoff, but to educate and enlighten. He was truly ahead of his time and in my mind the greatest sci-fi writer of our time.
Edit: Kynes is also pronounced "Keenes." So much insight from this interview!
This interview is such a gift from the past. Many thanks!
I had no idea this existed, absolutely amazing. I never once thought I would ever hear Frank Herbert's actual voice and commentary regarding his creation of the Dune universe. OMG,Thanks!
I thought it strange that there weren't more interviews and such from 1965 to the 1980s.
Even with the brutal 60 cycle hum, this is still a fascinating recording.
gene eric thank you for this knowledge
This whole thing is incredible. The part where he was talking about 'The voice' blew my mind.
Look at what Hitler and Goebbels did to the German population.
Funny that people would have trouble with that aspect being believable. Of course I just saw a clip from the 1984 movie and Paul use of voice to split stone is just silly.
"It's been my belief for a long time that man inflicts himself on his environment".
Word, Frank. Word.
We've been hitting this planet like an asteroid. Starting with our species destroying megafauna in Australia and the Americas. There's now a term for mankind causing species extinctions: Anthropocene.
How Frank Herbert pronounces:
10:08 Kynes
11:50 Fremen (pronounced wrong by the interviewer. It's Fremen with a short "e" not Freemen)
11:55 Atreides
27:30 Bene Gesserit
42:25 Gurney Halleck
42:43 Sardaukar
47:41 Shai-Hulud
The only ones I’ve been pronouncing in my head correctly are Fremen and Gurney Halleck
I was a communication studies major in college, it's fun to hear them meta-analyze communication like I have 😂
That was why I loved Dune so much, the way Herbert portrayed hidden meanings, things said versus what was understood, and difficulty expressing thoughts. So profound, a whole reality we scarcely know
And it can be amazing once you realize how to understand subtext better than the spoken word.
When I read in about 1970 I remember him being described as a linguist and had actually developed a language.
Thanks so much for this! I've been a Dune fanatic for over 40 years and I have never heard this before. The sound is great!
Herbert = Kynes.
Holy shit you're right.
Richard Nixon= Frank Herbert. Frank Herbert was a speech writer for Richard Nixon.
yep.
"Go now. Take him to his desert. To die." -The Beast Rabban
Beverly Herbert was the lady Jessica.
This interview is pure Gold. Frank Herbert was truly a visionary.
Great interview - Frank Herbert's a genius! That said, the interviewer needs to STOP INTERRUPTING! Let the man talk for crying out loud!
What an absolute treat! Thanks for sharing.
Hearing Dr. McNelly talk about Frank Herbert after his passing is moving. I recommend that to anyone who wants to know even more about that extraordinary man. Our own Kwisatz Haderach.
Frank Herbert was decades ahead of his time
I listen to this and he sounds so contemporary in his opinions, i forget this recording is 50 years old. Nothing has changed. If anything, it's gotten worse...
Forsight is one hell a thing
Some things have improved, some things have worsened, such is the progression of the society.
I lived for many years in the town where Herbert first spent time with the Dunes. I miss it.
The Dune rabbit hole is a deep one! Thanks for posting this. Quite fascinating. Now onto the Jodoworsky's Dune documentary.
So grateful that this exists and has been preserved…
I would love to have seen a conversation between Alan Watts and Frank Herbert. You could ascend into nirvana for all the shared wisdom they could to converse about.
Thats a conversation this world just isn't ready to hear. I'm sure they're having most profound exchanges on a plane above ours.
I really really hope Villenueve has listened to this in pre-production.
“Long live the fighters of Muad'Dib!”
We use to play on the Dunes in Oregon and I remember seeing it go across the Highway wondering how to stop it and my mom said they cant now 62 we learn they do know how to control it this is so awesome thank you for the up load... I thought bamboo would fix the problem?? Dune best Movie ever made He speaks on the Plastic in 1965 if he knew in our Ocean today we now have Islands floating miles across killing our Ocean fish and man kind Miles and Miles across Garbage floating Plastic we need to scoop the crap up melt it into a giant block and get it out of the Ocean...
Thank you very much. We certainly appreciate this.
Holy... Wow, what a thing to stumble upon. This is pure gold for me, personally. Thank you for the upload and sharing. This is everything RUclips should be about. Thanks, again.
Edit: Any chance of a name for the wonderful art on show?
I love when Bev chimes in. I can see why Frank loved her so deeply. I wonder if she contributed to the series? Seems like they were an intellectual match.
Hernán Chadtés got any proof?
Hernán Chadtés who wrote his biography? What’s it called where it says that? Bl
Hernán Chadtés No I’m trying to figure out which biography you read that states Frank Herbert was an insecure homosexual and that his wife was miserable. Yes I’ve read god emporer but I think the scene with Duncan hardly constitutes a “biography”
I think you’re making assumptions
Hernán Chadtés are you referring to the part where Duncan finds out the fishpeakers are gay? That’d be a really dumb stretch if that’s what you’re referring to.
Whole new level of wow, Frank Herbert gets twenty more cool points.
Better conversation than i had hoped for! High clear and spiritual. Well done to the interviewer.
those original dune illustrations from omni magazine are amazing.
Thanks so much for uploading and sharing!
Yes, and they are huge. You can rent a Dune buggy and go for a ride. (At least you used to be able to.)
Thank you for uploading this. Herbert was a brilliant storyteller!
What a briliant mind. Let's hope Villeneuve doesnt blow this one up...
He won't. He made a worthy sequel to bladerunner and one of the best original sci-fi films of this decade. It's in the best hands.
I hope. This should be the soundtrack: ruclips.net/video/AFgzzWT3zX4/видео.html
He is as a fanboy of Dune as he is of Blade Runner.. I personally think he is actually more suited for Dune... let's see what happens
Dune should never be made into a movie. The plot isn't all that interesting. It's all the philosophy, politics, religion etc that make it interesting.
@@GoDrex - The plot isn't uninteresting. It could service a movie about as well as it serviced the book. A lot of Frank's prose can be implied with cinematography and a clever screenplay.
Great world building, a great story, but also - beautiful writing - which separates him from many others.
One of my all-time greatest heroes.
Gives an important perspective on the book. Thank you for posting this interview.
This is absolutely fascinating. I can't believe I'd never heard this before.
It's very interesting to me how much it sounds like their method of speech is so similar to the way we speak now, even though this was recorded 60 years ago
a wonderful interview & real deep insight for any Dune fan, what really come's across is his warning of western society's disconnect with the natural world even 1950/60's , here in 2021 with Cop26 ongoing, nothing's changed, sad but true.
The Western world has disconnected from the natural world since the colonial empires when we decided that all of that was just resources to be exploited. In fact we’ve paid more attention to nature in recent years than the centuries we spent razing it to the ground. What the hell do u think has been happening in America since its birth every strip of land has been commoditised, and europe has done the same to all their colonies building industries of exploitation .
Incredible, warning about the global danger of plastic pollution in 1965!
Thanks for posting this, it's great to hear him explain his thinking behind Dune.
This is an absolute treasure. Thanks for posting. So far ahead of its time. The comments on plastics is truly astonishing.
So Herbert finally debunks my idea that Paul was based on Laurence of Arabia (1:17:00) boo. Also very interesting to hear that Herbert created some passages in haiku and then expanded them to affect the pace of Dune.
Jonathan Cook right... I was actually wondering if I could ever spot any of them, like his friends did...
Paul is often mistaken as a "white savior" until you step back an analyze it from afar. By book two he is an anti-hero and the xause of terrible forces in the world.
@@NateJones10 He was almost the conduit for which those forces could operate than being the root cause of them. But I agree with the rest.
Paul is the Islamic Mehdi
Thank you and bless you for posting this! :)
Dammit! Now I have to read Dune again. I can't wait!
This is great. Really awesome to you for having it and uploading it!
Anybody else feel like Frank Herbert sounds like what Alan Watts would sound like if he were American?
It sounds silly, but I have the same thought every time I hear his voice.
spot on
It's the shrooms
2:11-2:36 very interesting. He struggled (slightly) in describing his inherent interest in fractals.
Totally understandable seeing as the term hadn’t been coined yet!
Sure, the notions of self-similarity and scale invariance had been around (for centuries in fact), but it wasn’t until the mid seventies that we had the handy word “fractal” to tie up the ideas of time scales (as well as spacial) so neatly in one term.
I never heard the term till the late 80s.
What a gem! Very grateful to you for posting this. Thank you
What an incredible discussion, what insights on the book series even before the sequels were published. Thanks for bringing this to us all.
This upload justify the existence of youtube, all by itself !