@@ba_sic They could find a statue from ancient Greece of two guys going at it raw wrapped in a rainbow flag while Eros looks on approvingly and still be like "Ah, what a testament to the unshakeable bond between two friends, that they would engage in such intimate rituals to display the depths of their heterosexual brotherhood. Truly the pure expression of manhood and male beauty is the pinnacle of a patriarchal society." Warframe had old man yaoi in one of its recent quests, and the lengths people were going to to deny the reality of gay was so bad I don't think it could even be called copium.
@@Lotan_ idk man… just because one Guy is DEFINITELY gay, doesn’t mean he has a romantic relationship, with the other guy. I always though of it as something of a parental master-student relationship. But that’s the beauty of art. It can be interpreted in many ways.
the fact that its not even that "toxic" is so funny. Like acheron legit had NO idea what was happening to black swan and was just enjoying the dance. She even asks black swan for another dance lol, like girly was full on oblivious Edit: Um. Wow that's a lot of likes. Ty!
@@Suited_Nat real! neither of them were at fault (black swan a little bit since girly did try to go through her mind) black swan had no idea that going through acherons memories would tear her apart and acheron has no idea that, 1: black swan was even doing so and 2: that what happened would even happen.
@@lovelysakurapetalsyt Im not super familar with HI3rd but i do know that alot of the playable characters in the game are lesbians raiden mei, bronya, and seele being the biggest ones.
@@espio329 I like it so far. Such as I'm sitting here at 2am after just a session. It seems plot driven which is kind of my thing and I'm looking forward to meet further more characters.
@arachniic How about you shut up when you have no clue what you are talking about. Dr. Mei is very much canon and had very much canon hetero relationship with Kevin which is part of the main storyline of HI3rd.
Moreover, tango was originally a dance originated in Argentina among men because it was considered too 'explicit' for 'ladies,' which later evolved into what we know now. That makes it even more obvious because not only did they choose tango as a medium, but anyone familiar with the artistic background of the origin of this musical style will know how 'transgressive' it is instead of two men or a heterosexual couple dancing it, it's two women... 'Two ladies who would have been prohibited from dancing tango because it's so explicit and sexual.'
i think thats the factor why they cry abt it; its so explicit they were about TOOOOOO- yeah if they find us scary and weird then they are the weird ones
I think it's more so misogynistic/sexist rather than nsfw coded cuz I think it's more so because women are seen as objects for sex etc. and the male gaze watching it would be horknee cuz they're stupid af like that and they think more so with their dxck during that time and probably banned it because of that, i totally agree tho that its gay as hell but you should also like take into factor the cultural and societal norms back then
And they recently dived a bit into how much they researched for Penacony's art and music... Them diving into amusement parks, mafias, the reason for the designs and shows and everything that makes up the culture, all of BOTH the American and British 20s to 40s... It'd be crazy if they didn't end up looking into the tango, which had popularity at least in America during these times, and find this out and go "YEP, even the history fits!"
The thing with MiHoYo and the homosexual relationships is they have to be careful not to directly state it. They get very very close but if they just straight(heh) up state that two characters are in a relationship or whatever, they'll get bonked by chinese censorship, and the chinese playerbase.
And then people go "oh well if they were gay, they'd say it, so they're straight" MY GUY THEY LEGALLY CANNOT We already have hi3rd with confirmed gay and them getting punished, we know damn well mihoyo supports lgbt, so when ninguang is inviting beidou to her bed chambers for the entire night for "games", its pretty damn clear they are fucking. And yet these troglodytes somehow say the two of them hate eachother and aren't even friends.
I mean GGZ has Kiana and Mei currently in a swing together on the title screen being 1000% up in each others shit loving each other and how nobody will get in their way again. They LOVE getting as close to the censorship line as possible
my mom is a professional dance and i showed her the trailer, she said and i quote "oh thats nice, lesbian couples dancing the tango is more common than you think you know."
Musician here! LIsten to the piece playing in the background of their dancing. There are two main instruments playing the melodie- Violins (possibly a viola or even sth a bit deeper because there are some deep notes there aswell). During the tango the two stringed instruments have a sort of call and response motive by often the lighter voice playing the first phrase, and the second string repeating and paraphrasing the melody in a deeper tone. The light voice symbolizes Black Swan, who's taking the lead at the start of the video. When the deeper voice plays, it signifies that Acheron is also actively invested in this dance. As Eula said, it takes two to tango. During the dance, especially toward the middle and the end, the deeper voice becomes louder and takes over more main harmonies, meaning Acheron is taking over control as seen by the dark depictions of Acherons inner self pushing Black Swan around. Her deep staccato notes showing a dangerous side of herself and these deep notes are building up to the next scene. During the scenes of the hunters eating the prey, Acherons deep notes now play loud deep notes in legato meaning she's fully in control. The light notes of Black Swan now play an octave higher than before- she's scared. She's screaming so to speak.When Black Swan then falls at the end of this passage, she lets out a final cry for help as signified by the very high string note also falling lower in a very stressed manner in 13:17. This was so crazy to analyse and I just. This is the gayest, non-hetero thing I've seen in a long time bro.
dude I actually got chills from reading this, what an amazing analysis. I'm not a musician so I would've never noticed this!! rondo across kalpas is impressive on so many levels omfg
@@anarchy.rainbow there's actually SO SO much more in there! This is mostly stuff that I could remember from having watched the video so many times. Mhy really outdid themselves here and I just find it incredible how they have managed to translate the tensions and intimacy on not just a visual but also the musical level. It just makes me so happy 🥰🥰🥰
Holy shit, this just reminded me why Eula and Amber are such implied lesbians, not only do they take skinny dipping ice baths together, Eula literally said to her "Are you willing to join for a dance? After all, it takes two to tango." And E said, in this video, that tango is one of the most sensual and sexual dances existing, so choosing that one instead of any other dance is just Hoyoverse saying "Yeah, they are dating", without actually saying it.
@@nanaminaokoshi7077 Precisely my thoughts, asking someone to dance a tango with you is like... such an obvious hint that there's some interest there. Let alone ASKING TO DO IT AGAIN SOMETIME like Acheron does after dancing with Black Swan. Also, I find it hilarious that Eula, the most socially awkward person in Genshin who hasn't been socially isolated for years, is the one who asked Amber to dance. You'd think she'd be a little less forward, but then again, this is Eula we're talking about. Lmao.
@@catdownthestreet Yeaaaa I agree with you. Especially since dancing is also seen as a way of self expression, so for stoic Eula to ask Amber to dance a very passion charged dance with her??? Also the devils tango is literally a synonym for sex. I'm loving all the layers here man 😭😭
Speaking from the perspective of someone who regularly partner-dances with a lesbian, let me tell you, we may be different genders and we may be dancing as just friends... but ain't nothing straight about it. Especially when she leads.
It's important to remember that the lead writer of early Honkai Impact 3rd, who also wrote the manga where Kiana gropes Mei or where Mei dreams of marrying Kiana, was a woman. Ling Yi was lead writer of early HI3 and continued writing GGZ for a long time. Now I don't speak Chinese so I have no idea what her orientation is, but she definitely wrote HI3 at it's raw gayest.
So fun fact, the main quest that revolves around Ratio and Aventurine is called Double Indemnity. While this is an actual phrase, it is also a movie about a man that got seduced into a murder scheme by a woman. You also get the song Spellbound after completing this quest. This is also a movie about a doctor falling in love with their patient. Something tells me this isn’t just a coincidence.
i noticed that when i played through it and i was immediately freaking out because there is no way that was just a coincidence. both of those movies are relatively well known (they're shown in film and writing classes i guess), so choosing to name the quest and song after them was a choice indeed. i could be biased though because i'm a huge ratiorine shipper haha.
@@sunstarburstz whoever named their quest 'pride and prejudice' deserves a raise. alhaitham is literally so similar to mr. darcy and kaveh is similar to elizabeth
10:58 As someone who’s a bit more into lore, just in terms of looking at trailers for black swan specifically: she could’ve just done the whole process through a single glance or less. She wanted to dance with Acheron regardless lmao.
People are so weird about ships, especially ships they don't like. If you're not into one ship, just go on with your life!! I personally do not ship Acheron and Black Swan but that's a me thing. I was as flabbergasted as everyone else when I saw them dancing that tango and my only thought was "good for the AcheSwan shippers, they got food."
Acheron,Mei and Raiden are very similar.And what does all three have common? The love for another woman/girl. Im not even a shiper and I can see the gay screaming from her.I can say the same for Seele and Bronya.
What I hate is people saying Aventurine EN voice is too zesty as a reason to hate him. Like we all know what they actually mean. Personally I headcanon him as bi but that’s just me. Also I love how many CN and KR players have said they might switch to EN voices just because of him. I think in general Hoyo fandom has a shipping problem. And by that I mean both LGBTQ and straight fanart can get hated on so much that the artists delete the art and sometimes their pages. Or when VAs like or retweet a fanart which has a ship they don’t like. I don’t have twitter but I’ve heard the stories.
I WAS LITRALLY GOING TO WRITE THE SAME COMMENT! I HC AVENTURINE AS BI TOO (or Pan)! 😍 PEOPLE SAYING "HE SOUNDS SO ZESTY" ARE MAKING IT SOUND LIKE ITS A BAD THING, FINALLY SOMEONE WHO THINKS THE SAME WAY! 😭
Yeah, there was an artist who drew a straight ship from Genshin recently (Neuvillette x Clorinde I think) and got massively bullied for it (as well as someone who tweeted that Seele + Luka made a cute pair and got bombed for "ignoring Bronya"). Homophobes DO exist, but straight shippers also get attacked too.
@@SonicRooncoPrime Yup. Both sides are equally toxic. Yae x Ei is one of the worst offenders in genshin when it comes to toxic shipping. Shippers don't understand the word "headcanon", as in its in their head. Sure, these 2 characters has a good dynamic, but the shippers go way too far (they're fictional characters and they are going to war on twitter, like come on?)
One of the most difficult things to get people to understand is that abuse is not about violence. It's about control. Violence is frequently used as a tool for abusers, but it is always to control their partners. That's what makes it abuse. An abuser can be an abuser without ever laying a finger on their victim. Acheron is not wielding violence as a weapon to control Black Swan. All evidence suggests she was not even conscious of what Black Swan was experiencing in the second half of their dance. That is not abuse. Calling it abuse devalues the very real horror that very real people suffer from every day at the hands of actual abusers.
this is what I was going to say! Either way though, I think it tells leagues when people say it’s toxic, without reading between the lines. Like Acheron wasn’t conscious during the second part of the dance, Bs was looking though her memories. Though I want to add, it’s extra infuriating to see people say that toxic queer relationships are any queer relationships… like no they aren’t. It’s fucking obnoxious to see.
That comment that said something like it's sad Hoyo defaults to girl on girl instead of guys and basically calling it fetishization is ridiculous. They should know damn well that wlw has always been seen as WAY more accepted in patriarchal societies, even in the West. So putting two women together is gonna get you a lot less backlash as if you were so blatant about it with two men. Like, if this scene was two men, the CCP would probably have freaked out! But because the CCP is mostly men, you know damn well that they would ignore this because most men would rather see two women together than men..no matter what their political affiliation is. Hoyo still took a huge ass risk with this considering how anything gay is practically illegal in China, but I feel like unless too many people make a big deal over it, it will probably be fine. So yes, technically they are kinda getting away with it because straight men will probably fetishize the women, but if this is the only way you can be more blatant about them being gay without you getting your ass handed to you by the CCP, then so be it. It's still gay, it still gives representation, it's just done in a way that is safer for them to be able to do.
I think that's what the person is upset about. The fact that because of patriarchy, we'll never get gay men representation from anything. They're saying it's unfair and wishes Hoyo could do the same for gay men relationships
'wlw has been more accepted in patriarchies' um respectfully no . the reason there weren't any explicit legal prohibitions on lesbianism in laws of patriarchies unlike with intercourse between two men because misogyny kept gay and bi women apart , aka forcing them into heterosexual marriages 😭 the fact that straight men think two women together is just a threesome waiting for its main character and everyone else is going to say 'look at the two girl best friends' does not equal acceptance . rather its the intersection between homophobia and misogyny that treats wlw as a mutable preference or a performance for straight men rather than actual gayness
You saying the game has "space lesbians" is so funny because my first complete team in the game was one with Seele and Bronya, and named the team exactly "Space Lesbians"
That's hilarious. I plan on doing the same thing eventually. Also I'm a Genshin player first and foremost and one of the first teams I made after Liyue was a team with Beidou, Ningguang, Jean, and Lisa. I named it "Leading Lesbians" cause they're all powerful women lol
I'm a dance teacher, and while I don't teach Tango Argentino (the type of tango danced in the video AND GOD BLESS THANK THE ANIMATORS FOR INCLUDING SOME TECHNIQUE AND ELEMENTS OF THE DANCE), I have danced it before. Now, let me tell you: I have danced with a lot of different kind of people - and it makes a GIANT difference whether you dance with friends or people that you don't have an already established platonic relationship with. This dance here. This, has more characteristics of a flirtatious dance than a "haha funny, I'm dancing with my bestie" kind of dance. THIS WAS VERY FLIRTATIOUS!!!! THIS WAS HOT AND SENSUAL INTIMACY!! THIS WAS THE KIND OF TANGO THAT GOT ME MY CURRENT BOYFRIEND!!!!!!!
It took me till media literacy was going downhill to realize just how important that lesson about deeper meanings was. I always laughed at the jokes about "maybe the blinds are just blue!" but, clearly a lot of people either were absent for that lesson or just didn't pay attention. People will take beautiful and insightful art, and refuse to look deeper into it because their immediate assumption is based on a surface level analysis.
Nobody: Not one single person: Not ever: Hoyo: The most THE MOSTEST intense, the most AGGRESSIVE and COMBATIVELY, SADISTICALLY GAY THING hoyo OR ANYONE has EVER DONE. Fans: Wow what good friends
Its just so clear that lesbians are much safer option for hoyoverse because is more tolerated among players (cause homophobe men still like to watch lesbians lol) but imagine if they release something similar about two male characters? That would be very bold but its not going to happen. Sadge.
I’m so glad you’re making this. I posted some Acheron/swan art and quickly deleted it due to the onslaught of vitriol I received. unsurprisingly there’s never a debate about the validity of a ship when heterosexual art is posted.
The main reason some non m/f ships are so hardly accepted is because most of them are exaggerated WAY too hard. Something like "they looked at eachother for 1,24 seconds, they must be into eachother" Now I'm not saying the same is true for this ship, but I feel like so far the only reason Black Swan interacted with Acheron was to find out more about Acheron's past and memories
@@pwpqwq7648it’s completely true indeed that her main motivation was to enter Acheron’s memories. However, it’s been shown she can do that without a seductive and intimate dance. There’s also voice lines and dialogue in-game that furthers their dynamic. Both can be true, she wanted to enter Acheron’s memories AND she chose to do that in an extremely intimate and sensual way because she was enticed by Acheron (as she says herself). It confuses me that people deny this.
Firefly = Kiana perhaps? I mean, listen to her line about Firefly. Not romantic necessarily, but Firefly definitely means something, represents something, to Acheron. Optimism? New beginnings? Origin and Void dichotomy? Seems pretty Kiana-ish to me. (But that’s just a theory)
@@dionysus913 Nah Firefly is direct reference to Kallen. Even her Initial Death (now we know that she is alive) is so similar to Kallen, even Kallen has an alter self, her being a vigilante at night while being a Valkyrae and saint in the day. Although we can say that, Since Firefly was created in a test tube (This source is from an early leak so this might be change). It is possible that it is instead reference to Theresa. But i do believe Kiana in that acheron has probably died or never existed.
I bet they let them publish this precisely because it turned dark at the end. It's a self fulfilling prophecy: they don't allow for good endings for queer characters, create the consensus that queer relationships are bad, and shouldn't be allowed to be shown with good endings.
@@Suited_Nat fr including Raiden Mei I’m pretty sure, which is who Acheron is based off of,(if that’s the right term, raidenverse yk) every Mei needs their Kiana‼️‼️
@@fizzyjam afaik the only explicitly confirmed gay couples are Kiana+Mei, Bronya+Seele, and Kallen+Yae. Durandal+Rita is implied but not confirmed and Elysia was heavily implied to be gay but never had a love interest.
on top of that, another type of dance they could’ve chosen that has an entirely different vibe but is still reminiscent of the period of time penacony was going for is the jive, a much more high energy type of dance that would really encompass the essence of acherons backstory and could do the whole ripping scene in a less intimate manner but the tango holds a different attitude and makes that betrayal of trust on both ends so much more pungent and sapphic if i may say so myself
At least on where I hang out on tumblr, WE WERE EATING THIS UP OK. Now I’m pretty sure I’m straight, but sexuality is a fluid social construct so who knows. What I do know is that I too wish to dance with a pretty woman taller than me and then be subjected to eldritch horrors and then be left with lingering interest and fear which combines into an eerie fascination……..
Archeswan is the most direct and obvious case of this sadly its not the first in hoyo fandom (the reason why the genshin is gay videos needed to be made) and definitely not last
@@Suited_NatAl-Haitham is obviously not the kind of person who does good for nothing. and with this context it is obvious that he clearly cares about Kaveh. but at the same time there are still people who say that they hate each other🙄🙄🙄
I often have difficulties to spot the queercoding, even as a queer person myself, but when I was in the livechat and a few scenes of the short were shown, even I immediatly understood those two are meant to be a couple. Like come on. Also I was so shocked by the queerphobia in chat after the scenes.
9:52 Somwthing I do wanna mention: Acheron has voiced lines about wanting to dance with black swan again: “A lady of elegance and dignity, her benevolent offer lingers in my memory. That dance… it brought me a sense of warmth and nostalgia.” This is directly quoted from the game. Take into account that Acheron often tends to loose certain memories, she talks about how it lingers. Not how it stays, how it lingers. Also when she says “that dance” she practically shivers when she says that in her voiced lines. Her being added with black swan has a line about being ready for another dance. Either way, I know people will view it as inherent fanservice, but I feel like it’s pretty fucking obvious that it’s not just fanservice. They didn’t have to make a show about the straight couples behind them, about the fact that in black swans’s trailer, she doesn’t have to touch another person to look into their memories. They made those decisions to imply lesbians lol
Acheron: I have no idea how I took the lead in that dance, but I can assure you I can do it again. Way more harder than before. Where's this purple haired chick?
You know what's funny? If this ship was hetero, it would be labeled as dark romance. A genre that's currently really popular. This is also my first time hearing about this ship, I'm not that far into the third(?) Chapter. But I can already tell that this would be an interesting pairing/trope. The mentally tormented with the calm and collected.
my friend sent me the black swan/acheron video in jp and she said "watch the en version too its more flirtatious" and i deadass couldnt because i was in the car with my mom because IT WAS ALREADY SO FUCKING FRUITY IN JP I CANT HAVE MY MOM HEAR AND UNDERSTAND THAT SHIT but good god they're so intensely GAYYYYY oh my GODDDDDDDDDD i fucking CANT WITH THESE TWOOOOOOOO (live laugh love toxic yuri)
One thing you forgot to include that further contributes to the romance is that Acheron's voice over "About Black Swan" on her profile has her saying this: "A lady of elegance and dignity, her benevolent offer lingers in my memory. That dance... it brought me a sense of warmth and nostalgia." The woman who has memory problems still remembers Black Swan offering her a dance, and she regards that dance with warmth and nostalgia. She held no malice toward Black Swan, nor did she intend to harm or scare her. She enjoyed dancing with her and felt happy, completely oblivious to the dark memories that Black Swan had exposed herself to. There's a lot of complexity here when looking at Acheron's memories and the red and white version of her. Drawing her sword causes her memories to return to her, and every time we've seen her wield her sword unsheathed so far, she cries. She has expressed that she prefers not to wield her sword, and she even wishes to refrain from killing. We saw from her Myriad Celestia trailer that she lost everything on her home planet. People she knew died, her civilization crumbled. She even told Welt that she ended the life of the man who was in charge, _alone._ No one stood by her side as she did the deed. The things that she witnessed, the things she has had to do, the fact that she says she still dreams about the people who died because of her... These are all very heavy - and possibly tormenting - memories that she carries locked in the back of her mind, mostly forgotten until she draws her sword again. Of course peering into such memories would hit a being of Memory very hard, especially when an Aeon's influence is brought into the mix. *Edit:* Also, it's funny to me that anyone would deny Aventurine being interested in men. Set aside his flamboyance and the fact that Welt even referred to his style as flamboyant, when you're playing as Aventurine in Aideen Park, we get to read his mental description of Woolsey, the muscular and battle-scarred Bloodhound member. He describes Woolsey as a "hunk". When used to refer to a man, "hunk" is a descriptor that means this man is large, strong, and *_attractive._* Aventurine is so much of a fruit bowl that, as he walked around with an active countdown timer to his death, he took the time to mentally describe another man as a hunk. I forgot the exact wording of the compliment that he used when talking to Woolsey, but there was that too.
I'm convinced Aventurine is gay or bi- but I'm not sure about Dr ratio- if he is (He probably is) i don't think it was any interest towards aventurine in the slightest.
@@JeneAshinaActually there is queercoding for Ratio as well, specifically towards Aventurine. The quest that centers around him and Aventurine (where they work together to fool Sunday) is called Double Indemnity, which is the name of a film noir romance movie about a man who gets seduced into a conspiracy by a woman. When you complete the quest you get rewarded a music disc called Spellbound, which is named after another film noir romance movie about a doctor who falls in love with a patient. The doctor in the Spellbound movie is called the “custodian of truth” and Ratio’s name in Chinese is “doctor of truth”. There’s also a dream sequence in the movie told from the patient’s perspective where the patient is gambling at a casino. In Double Indemnity meanwhile, there’s a scene where (spoiler alert) the man fires 3 gunshots at the woman and kills her, and the woman is described as provocative. In Star Rail there’s a light cone called Final Victor with a similar scene where Ratio fires 3 gunshots at Aventurine (who survives thanks to his luck), and Aventurine is also described as provocative there.
@@JeneAshina You’re free to interpret their relationship however you like, but I do think Ratio cares about Aventurine even if he’s not obvious about it. He was visibly bothered whenever Aventurine’s life was in danger, and he even ended up writing that note at the end where he wished Aventurine luck and asked him to stay alive. There’s also the possibility that Ratio was extra harsh towards Aventurine in the Penacony quests to fool Sunday (who had his servants observe them) into thinking Ratio hates Aventurine.
The excuse that “black swan needs to be close to ppl to see their memories” is just wrong- like in her trailer she’s able to look through memories without ever looking at someone. She made the choice to steal dancers memories to dance with Acheron, a choice. In fact, the dance itself is referred to during the 2.0 quest itself, when Acheron talks about dancing with someone. Acheron has voiced lines about wanting to dance again with Bs, and that she liked it. I’m pretty sure they both have lines referring to the dance when you put them on the same team as well. Homophobes really jump through hoops to say that dancing the tango isn’t romantic when we all know if black swan was dancing with a man they’d call it romantic. Like… come on, a dance that is considered in the US to be inherently intimate and romantic is “suddenly not” when two women do it? And I’m specifically talking about this from a media perspective, irl is different because people can be friends and dance the tango for dance competitions.
Just a correction, the canonical kiss in honkai impact manga azure waters was i believe removed for a bit but it is currently avaliable! On the official honkai manga site, And also there are multiple canon relationships and lots of coding throughout mangas and the game. Like in one of the first chapters the herrscher of the void calls mei her girlfriend, and calls her her "other half". Theres also that time in the part 2 special program matsuzawa chiaki said "fans in japan love honkai as much as mei loves kiana" which was just so cute and i wanted to mention that but there is lots more too
I 100% agree this video needs to be made, the way people have become so toxic towards fans who enjoy Acheron x Black Swan has been so disheartening and very frustrating. That said, I feel like homophobia in the Hoyoverse fandom as a whole - including Genshin - should also be explored. We've had to deal with CR fanfics being wrongfully tagged on purpose, with big accounts only saying "oh...then don't read them," which...that's not how AO3 works. If something is tagged as "fluff" but involves a woman being r4p3d, then it was done with malicious intent. Not to mention, just the constant amount of homophobes who will see sapphic artwork or in this case, reaction videos to something queer (see also Beiguang Lantern Rite flirting or Clorivia lipstick line) and going into that person's comments just to be a dick while not understanding giving queer people a space where they're free to voice their opinion. Anyway, really looking forward to this video and what it goes into!
Well, the genshin community is generally toxic all around with shippers, homophobic and heterophobic. Like, look at the goddamn Yae x raiden, some bastards are really damn crazy when it comes to that
I got no problem with opinions I got no problem with headcanon you do whatever you want.....until you statr being a psychotic asshole and then start trying to push your headcanon as fact then I take issue.
When you talked about the writers and “yearning” I almost screamed, good stuff! If you haven’t checked them out, I highly reccomend the “twilight” video by contrapoints, Natalie spends three hours analyzing that idea of yearning, about the gravity and darkness, the allure of death, all with a heavy sprinkle of dunking on twilight in the most entertaining ways, can’t recommend higher
OMG SAME i love her videos the most and at the mention of yearning i thought about the twilight video too (that video was the most eye opening among others by her so far, it felt like all my life questions were finally being answered) 😭❤
I just realised the way the romantic and beautiful atmosphere is suddenly taken away is kinda like Acherons past experience like she’s really making black swan ‘relive’ the memory
The most hilarious part of this, to me, was the amount of dudebros going "they're queerbaiting for the queers lmao. They're all actually straight lol and you guys are falling for it, that's so pathetic." Saying this with their whole chest! Bestie if this is queerbaiting I hope more shows queerbait.
Deadass, plus i just hate that whole narrative of, 'oh they are pandering, ya'll are idiots.' Like my g, my brother is gay jesus, they were pandering to you and your tastes for years and you didn't have an issue.
I would not be surprised if boothill is gay- I wouldn't be even angry tho- He seems gayer than every other character with his actions. I don't think fashion really says a lot about sexuality against actions. lol all good in fun in a debate tho-
Something that always annoys me as someone who has also played Hi3 and Genshin, is that a lot of the female characters that are a Variant from Hi3 (Raiden, Bronya, Seele, Kiana etc) will always be reduced by the honkai Fandom (with honkai Fandom I mean the ppl that have played Hi3, they probably play hsr too, but I mean the Former. The latter is Star rail for me) as fxf ships and ignore any other Journey they have had. With Raiden Mei, yes her Crux of her believe was born from Kiana but she also had a pretty spicy relationship with Elysia, another woman, and then through her got another Herrscher Form. Bronya is also not as much tied to Seele but more third wheeling Mei and Kiana from my pov and HoR Core. Seele has a very intense relationship with the other Seele (Dark Seele or Veronia). But I never see this mentioned anywhere, it's always Kiamei, Bronseele etc. And while I do love these ships as well the lack of basic interest in the story hurts me. Now with Star rail we have another Bronseele but this Raiden Variant is, like other Raiden Variant hoyo has done, a Raiden with someone who isnt Kiana. They have already done this in Genshin where I Think the most notably Raiden ship is the one with Yae, which I adore btw, who is a Yae Sakura Variant, who in Hi3 is also a Canon lesbian but that whole arc is a bit convoluted. So in all 3 different games Raiden has a different gay relationship which I find interesting. Now I dont mean that BS is a Canon Acheron ship but that there is at least something spicy going on here with a not Kiana (again). Bronya, Seele etc in Hsr are NOT Hi3 bronya Seele etc, they are entirely different characters with entirely different relationships. People say "a mei that lost her kiana" but every Raiden lost something that isnt just a Singular person. Raiden Ei lost her twin sister, acheron lost her entire Planet and civillization. I think it is pretty sad that people force Kiana in the conversation when all these characters have very potent backstories and I think they deserve being talked about both in the overarching Hoyoverse narrative and as singular beings. I wonder if the reason for the lack of Kiana Variants in other hoyo games is that if they ever made a mei less kiana ship, people would Tore them to pieces.
i expect nothing less than toxic hi3rd players cause i got atk for saying i'd prefer it if hsr and the hi3rd people could treat Acheron as her own character with her own story that's unique to hsr universe. Not everything has to be about hi3rd herrscher etc. Acheron can exist independently without being called Mei or HoT every 2 secs
@@maliniras To be honest i feel like in a way, it's also a means to make sure people can't say 'well, this is a difference, that doesn't mean she's a lesbian' which is shit people love to do to try and make shippers seem like they are crazy.
@@maliniras For almost every other character I'd say that's fair, but for Acheron she explicitly comes from a hi3rd-esque world and a large chunk of her 2.1 story is her and Welt bonding over their similiar hi3 experiences. I don't think you should get attacked for saying she should be her own character, and parts of her story are certainly unique to herself especially her experiences post-End/Finality, but it's also reasonable for people who see hi3 Mei in Acheron to make the connection and be excited about it.
I feel like we need to see Penacony’s end then make conclusions. Also black swan and Acheron have a lightcone (unreleased) were they are dancing so we really can’t judge yet.
I agree, I can't wait until 2.2 releases. The story so far has been great and has left me on the edge of my seat, it's better to wait until it's all over until we can make a proper conclusion on things like these and character interactions that we've seen so far.
... I mean... their trailer and voice lines make it clear that they don't have anything for each other... they're allies at very best in currently but people mischaracterizing both of them just so they could ship them isn't right either chief
4:53 something I wanna add to the analysis, the shots in the beginning give off the impression of: they were in their own world, the people dancing in the background fade away to make room for them both.
The question is always "if this was a man and a woman, would people see it as romantic/suggestive of romance?" and the answer is ALWAYS yes bc people are so locked in their hetero normative views.
One time I asked if they were a guy and girl would they see it as romantic and they just deadass said "yes because straight is normal unlike gays and adult men and women aren't friends with eachother without romantic feelings" Massive fucking self report
@SolarLight-wc8py You do realise this is a fictional setting where we're shown characters of different genders comfortably interacting with each other on multiple occasions? In a real-life scenario, that argument would hold some water, but in this case its irrelevant.
man i'm so glad someone is talking about this, the main subreddit was unbearable about this (it's generally unbearable for other reasons as well, but this was notable lol). i'm glad a lot of the other subreddits are more tolerable, weirdly the leak subreddit is one of the most chill places
Lmao I love the leak subreddit. I honestly get less spoilers there than the main hsr subreddit at this point and the people just joke, thirst over aventueine and theorise about March 7th new kit switch
@@imbiork right, like where did I get spoiled about the character reveal we saw at the end of 2.1? It wasn't the leak subreddit shockingly lol. Also I loved going there for the boothill animation leaks and seeing the before and after of the mods going through removing thirst comments
@@imbiorkThey are also amazingly good at character analyzing like wow. Leak subreddit is a vibe i love discussing theories with them based on vague leaks
Black Swan being a Memokeeper makes her fear even more salient. She doesn't have a physical body, so most things can't actually harm her - but inside Acheron, she encountered one of the few things in the cosmos that poses an immediate, mortal danger to her. It would be like a vampire having a chat with a stranger at a bar, only to realize that the stranger is Van Helsing and the bar is secretly a church.
“erm they’re just dancing as friends” would YOU do that with ur buddies bro? 🤨🏳️🌈 the common consensus against acheron/black swan is that acheron traumatized bs, but if she was really that scared then she wouldn’t ask for another dance in the party setup, would she now? for the record, i have nothing against m/f ships for either of them, nor do i ship them myself to be entirely honest (sparkle/bs is simply better 😌), and the dance scene doesn’t mean they’re a couple (to my surprise, this is a common idea?) there’s just a ton of sexual tension between them and i think even a blind man would pick up on it lol
The whole point of the dance was to read Acheron’s memories, it was just sexual for Fan service lmao. I mean I don’t mind that cuz ship who you want just sayin.
9:51 you DIDN'T mention how Acheron was pulled back up after this she literally hugged Blackswan with one of her feet raised like she was rizzed up by this point
If Black Swan or Acheron had been a man in that dance, nobody would have even questioned it. Or maybe they'd have questioned it if it was fem!Black Swan leading the dance with genderbent masc!Acheron and showed their homophobia that way (and then probably cheered when a masc!Acheron accidentally traumatizes BS bc there's redpills in gacha) but it'd still be considered a sexually charged dance and things like "gaze," "linger," and "engagement," would have been considerable evidence to a straight presenting ship. Things like their chests brushing against each other and their thighs and knees constantly wrapped up in each other would produce wedding fanart within 30 mins. 🙄 And there literally is no saving someone calling that dance platonic 😂 that is the most funny thing lol. Like please, girlies, I'm aromantic, SHUT UP that was so gay lmbo
one thing I also find really weird is that, people call complexe relationship toxic (kaveh/Alheitham, Ei/Miko, etc ) like any relationship between two characters of the same gender who aren't bffs always get called toxic if the two are shipped by the fandom. Yet when it comes to straight pairings people don't call it toxic when the relationship isn't 100% perfect and light. Even actual toxic pairings only get called out when queer, but when it's straight it's rarely the case, despite both of them being fiction and just existing to entertain people. It's almost like queer people don't have the right to have queer relationship depicted as something other than blank couple with no issues or just dealing with exterior homophobia, while straight people get to have their complexe couples with layers of symbolism and wicked characters without getting hate for it.
Exactly like saying Kokosara is toxic while shipping Ittosara is so ???? Fandom discourse isn’t pleasant, and not all of it is due to homophobia, but some of it definitely is.
Acheswan is peak yuri, the fact Black Swan still being drawn to Acheron fully knowing she might be consumed by her memories makes it even better, idk how delusional people gotta be to deny it 😭if Acheron was a man, you wouldn't see any deniers
I could’ve sworn that I saw Black Swan used her memory powers without the other person physically there in the main story. So, she didn’t really needed to be that extra. 😳
i guess historians will call them "friends" but srs she could have chose any other dance but she chose TANGO and dance abt INTIMACY and ROMANCE (popular defi in society ofc i know its originated from african culture)
What many annoying people say is that 'you really like it just because it's gay' 1st of all, yes. 2nd, THIS IS SO MUCH MORE. Like you briefly touched upon, this is such an artpiece. Throwing the gay away, the choreography, the lore drops, just the amazing visuals AND THE MUSIC (it's so fucikfn good like that violin GOES HARD). This is such a fiest in every depratment, 10 ACROSS THE BOARD. However, letting the gay back in, it's also such an amazing sign for the future of homoverse, if they dared to release this, who knows what they'll cook up later. Like I'm not only screaming and crying because I see lasbians on my screen, it's also because those lesbians are a sign for what's to come. They're like a gay rainbow in the dark heterosexual skies.
Besides Seele and Bronya who are strait up confirmed in the HI manga Blackswan and Acheron are definitely the most heavy implied relationship in Honkai Star Rail. (Holy likes Batman)
@@myemailistragicsendhelp1781 Implication is not canonicity. Even if its expos and counter parts in star rail, i don't think it's the same by default. Well, it is harder for Hoyo due to China heavily going down on same on same relationships
@@lumaw152 they kiss in honkai impact manga they do not kiss in star rail and imo come across as close friends they dont come across as romantically involved imo but ive also seen people who are just friends that act just like them in the real world and yet were not romantically involved in any way whatsoever. so i attribute first hand experience with what ive seen to how characters in a video game act. which is why people need to chill out with their head canon as people have their own experiences to go off of and shouldnt shove the way they feel onto someone else by trying to claim something is canon when its just headcanon as it hasnt been proven one way or another.
I keep getting pulled back to this video-so for all of you fighting about homosexuality and being openly homophobic/ erasing someone’s coding… I think we all need to remember why we watch E’s content. It’s not to fight over sexuality It’s not to tell people off about their ships It’s not to be homophobic-cause all that’s doing is boosting E’s platform because people are commenting. We come here because we want to see a queer reperantative (not for everyone but as an individual) talk about queer coding and why it is inherently important to all queer people and media. If you don’t think it’s gay, great! Then disagree and go home-if you do, also great! Enjoy the video-but don’t put others down and don’t tell people off…it solves nothing and gay-erasure is still going to exist unless we all collectively agree to talk about it-not debate. Sorry for the only post…I just couldn’t stand watching 200 comments pop up from a comment I made-which was an add on to someone else’s ❤E! Keep Trailblazing
It also blew my mind how some people say that was not Queer and BS was only using her power, and I'm here like nah bro, there was no need to be THAT sensual to use her powers, we've seen her use them just like nothing with no need of a Dance or being that close to her target. And as a Bi-Ace Woman I wanted to be in Acheron positions dancing with BS so bad in the first half... So I think that says enough.
Some people do not like Acheswan because they are homophobic and/or blind. I do not like Acheswan because I am a Kiamei shipper and am coping/hoping. We are not the same. (the animated short was fire tho) Jokes aside, it baffles me that anyone (but specially longtime fans) can play a Mihoyo/Hoyoverse game and not see the gay shit in front of their eyes. Hoyo is always dancing around the censorship, but sometimes they layer the subtext so thickly that it just could be text at this point. EDIT: ALSO, I am pretty sure most western companies would struggle to greenlight the publishing of an animated short like that, it would probably be toned down to the most milquetoast thing as soon as it reached the average board of directors. And as far as I know this happens without state enforced censorship, imagine i they could use this excuse.
and there is people who just dont care about ship, but lets be honest, there is people(not all) who ship yuri or yaoi who will always attack straight ship and ofc there is people(not all) that will attack yuri or yaoi ship, its just fandom not respecting each other, normal daily life
Another argument is that, Black Swan doen't have to have contact to read somebodies memories, like she has to be close, like a few meters/feet, but not THAT close
I love that I was a bit disappointed by Sam and I almost agreed with them until they started listing their toxic ahh reasons 💀 And yes our boi Aventurine has been put through the shitter
I dont Play Honkai Star Rail so i dont know anything about the Story, the characters etc. but holy Shit even i See how Sexual this is😳 Like, you must be really stupid or in compleat denial to Not See any Yuri, sexual attraction or Sexual tension in it. And Tango is really the Most passionate dance the could have choosed. If they wanted to Show oh Look at this "good Friends" than, i dont know, choose viennese waltz, at least to me this Kind of dance is more....i dont know how to describe it....childfrendly?😂 More tame? Something i would actually dance with a good friend
i’m not exaggerating when i say that this video literally got me back into hsr. it’s fantastic cinema. the homoeroticism of acheswan’s dance as well as the imagery depicting black swan’s horror. as an avid lover of lore and characterization, i just couldn’t stop thinking about this video. and yet, people have the gall to simply say they’re not queer- and if it is, it’s fetishization. i’m convinced that the only reason why these types of fans say stuff like this is because they don’t understand the complex facets that make up humanity, nor do they get why this type of representation is so important to the queer community.
I agree though their is layers though. Like I do ship Aventurine and Dr Ratio it makes sense enough though because of this people seem to take any compliments as gay or lesbian like calling another dude handsome doesn't mean gay. Im biased because irl like i just dont like being called gay for like i said complimenting someone. But as i said they gay
First off, I'm really sorry to any LGBT+ people who got attacked for shipping these two. Heck, I don't ship Acheswan and even I can tell how flirtatious and romantic the whole animation is. As E points out, Acheron is really enjoying herself too. I am curious how many of the naysayers are doing so because of the lore though. Black Swan *is* on Penacony to gather memories and even though she's enjoying their dance it's clear from how she acts in the story that her priority is Acheron's (and anyone else she interacts with's) memories. So instead of her coming onto Acheron and getting scared off I saw it more as her trying to seduce Acheron and getting scared off. Heck, 2.1's plot implies she's going to team up with Boothill to take her out. And before anyone accuses *me* of being homophobic, I have a ton of gay ships I like, including many in HYV games (heck, the first main arc in HSR is a massive advert for Bronseele). I just think there's more going on here than *just* "girl meets girl and gets traumatized", but that's just my take and those of others I know who are really into the lore. I wish there were more people aware of that instead of immediately jumping to the "homophobe" accusation (though obviously - and sadly - there ARE homophobes in the audience). Also, the elephant in the room, while everyone's free to ship Acheswan (as E says, there is an audience for couples always clashing or fundamentally opposed in some way), I'm REALLY curious how those shippers will react once they learn Frebass is a thing (Acheron's implied girlfriend from well before she came to Penacony). I for one am REALLY eager to learn more about her.
Personally, I don't ship them yet because of lore reasons too...and also because Acheron is still Raiden Mei/Raiden Shogun from HI3 and Genshin respectively. And we already know damn well that she has practically been canonically shipped with someone else...namely Yae Sakura/Yae Miko. So I'm waiting for the Yae character in HSR to be introduced (which they have a history of doing) because that's definitely the one that is canon lol.
I personally don't ship them, but I absolutely see the reasons why people do and support my friends that do! And I love the homosexual tension and representation!
When it comes to lgbtq relationships, they are held to an absolute perfect standard, and if there's anything that could suggest they aren't perfect people who are perfect for eachother, they cannot be valid or are bad rep and must be scrutinized which is never the case for straight ships. It's so irritating.
I remember watching the 2.1 livestream when a short segment of this animation was first teased. The entire chat was exploding with people being like "OMG they're f*cking" It's nice to know that, generally speaking, the majority of fans seem to know what's up.
The thing that really frustrates me when people deny gay ships and its representation is the hypocrisy that comes along with it. There is little to no care about "toxicity", "canon", "misinformation" or anything analogous to that when it comes to straight ships. Instead, those words only appear to gay ships so they can circumvent their homophobia and rationalize it. If its gay then shippers should stop shipping everyone for no reason! It its straight, its "people will ship whoever 🤷"
It's crazy how Black Swan and Acheron can have intimate tango in HD and fruity ass voicelines on each other and Blade and Dan Heng's backstories are so intertwined they're literally married and fated to reunite but if they stand in the same room as someone of the opposite sex, the dudebro crowd screams canon. When will queer pairings be accepted without needing to justify why?
@kaguya5004_swow, even among our own community there'll be people like you trying to say "oh ho ho, but this ship is classy, this other ship is not valid because it probably won't be canon. If you want to be a true classy shipper ship what I like, not this one." Get off your high horse. You're just mad this universe's Mei is getting shipped with someone other than Kiana lmao.
oh wait renheng are like soulmates? i figured it was something like reincarnated lovers reuniting but that gives me some more context to the ship. i personally dont vibe with it (dan hengs storyline to me is more like i am reincarnated but i am not dan feng. although i guess blades whole thing is also a bit distanced from his past life because of the mara too.) but i can definitely see the appeal of the reincarnation trope that they have (and also their whole sort of haunt/hunting each other thing). it just never clicked for me here.
@@owo4983they both have so many couple items on their character design.. Jade items/matching bracer from blade relic lore etc when they could have easily thrown it away if they don’t care about it anymore. if u read the lore blade action is just heavily influence by jingliu and Mara tbh (the phrase even come from her if u played her story quest)
Can you prove those Yinxing and Dan Feng stories being true, it could be same shit as Rex Incognito with the writer gassing up shit due to lack of knowledge Acheswan only exists because Hoyo released a gay looking teaser with them dancing, their in game interactions show zero romantic tension between them and Acheron is also very vary of Black Swan lmao
I'm not sure if you were already aware of this or if anyone's mentioned it before, but, their english VAs (Arryn Zech and Allegra Clark) are both bi! Aside from Beidou, I'm not sure if Allegra has voiced any other sapphic or sapphic-coded characters, but Arryn is most notable for her role of Blake Belladonna in RWBY who is not only a canon bisexual but also in a canon sapphic relationship with her teammate Yang Xiao-Long. The two of them had confessed and shared on an on-screen kiss in the ninth season of the show and another on-screen kiss in the second Justice League collab movie! (if you're questioning why there was a JL collab, warner bros owns all rights to the RWBY ip due to the original company going under lmfao)
Hey! So as a person who’s consumed other media that Allegra Clark has been from, she voices a bisexual woman from fire emblem three houses! Just thought you’d like to know :)
!!SPOILERS FOR PENACONY PART 2!!! The reveal that firefly is Sam was expected but also reads like a trans metaphor for me. She is born into one identity, a genetically engineered super soldier who is built for destruction and has a masculine persona. But her true self in the dreamscape is Firefly, a caring girl with a feminine persona. It definitely feels trans-coded to me, specifically the part where she talks about the dreamscape lets her be free of the constraints of her body and identity and just be herself. Also fun fact: in Japanese, Sam uses watashi as their personal pronoun. It's a formal gender neutral pronoun, though someone as aggressive as Sam I expected to use the more masculine "ore". "Watashi" is surprisingly formal considering that they're literally trying to kill you, which gave me a hint that Sam's gender is more ambiguous.
Damn robot have gender now? "The dreamscape lets her be free of the constraint of her body" yeah because she has a disease that slowly erase her from existence leaving her in a vegetable state and use Sam as a medical cabin and also as a war machine. Of course she is much happier to actually walk and feel everything around her using her own body and senses rather than an icy mechanical body as a life support.
Because Star Rail is a Different Game with Playable Male characters present while the Previous game, the fan base of H3RD will riot if they dare one playable male character.
Always love your analysis, great to see how you’re very respectful while presenting great points! Totally love AcherSwan (SparkleSwan too but you get the point), so I was very excited to see this video.
The thing that’s even crazier about same sex couples in games is even if they look directly into the camera and declare they’re gay, people will still deny it or call it a fetish
"this ship is abusive so its bad" type of people have a high chance of also being the type of people that define dark romance as getting railed by your stalker on your dead mother's coffin (lookin at you booktok)
That or it's just straight up lolicons. Anyways, people throw around "abuse" frivolously and all it does is a disservice to those who are actually victims of abuse.
not true at all been happening with every single one of their games for years. one of the prime examples is Otto and Kallen they literally tell you in the story that she fell for him but he was too blind to see it losing her but everyone was like boohooo simp otto simping for a lesbian
if one of them was a man, every player would absolutely lose their mind thinking they been cucked which is hoyo worst nighmare and that how they can only dance around same sex interaction
Great video as always although I think the criticism about "fetishisation" isn't entirely ungrounded. Ofcourse I would say there definitely hints towards both male and female gay ships in HSR and Genshin but the female ones are quite a bit more overt. There are multiple female NPCs in both Genshin and HSR which have a pretty explicit interest in other women but I have yet too see a single male one in the same vain apart from MAYBE the two guys in Yoimiya story quest. Jeht only has interest in Lumine and I don't think we will ever see Aether get a male counterpart. If feels as though for ships like BronyaxSeele and BeidouxNingguang they are alot more out in the open rather than ones like XingqiuxChongun or BladexDanHeng where you have to peer deeper into their lore to truly get a taste. (Although I do feel like that is becoming less the case with AlhaithamxKaveh and AventurinexRatio) You joked about who greenlit this short and I was asking the same question because I am CERTAIN if these were two male chars this would've never been. Now I don't think Hoyo themselevs are necassarily are fetishistic but that they know their majoritly male playerbase would be much more okay or like you've shown, prone to dissmissing it, with two hot women dancing and flirting than two hot men.
My jaw dropped and my heart was beating fr when I saw that video in the best ways possible and then it changed and I felt jumpscared in the other best way possible (THE TEAM JOINING VOICELINES ✋😭💜) I wanted to say something to add to the conversation but I feel like you said everything I wanted to say 🙇♀️
one thing i wanna say is that acheron's en va, allegra clark ships this and also ningguan and beidou (voice of beidou too) and shes so enthusiastic about acheron. i recommend watching mina aoyama pull e6 acheron because allegra is there too and is a total menace about it. another one is molly zang's (en va of seele) group reaction to the 2.1 livestream because she drops the phrase "you know what, im happy i get to be gods favorite princess okay?" about how op acheron is. also her twitter is iconic. honestly a lot of the en cast are really in tune with the fandom and the ships. even if you dont play en theyre worth checking out. both aventurine and robin's vas have started getting into streaming and there's a lot of collaboration among vas in group streams for certain events or games. this applies to genshin too as theres many for that.
I've seen someone comment "a sex scene would have been less intimate" and I can only agree
I wholeheartedly agree
Fandom will still deny it and went "oh that's 2 bestfriends wrestling if I ever see one"
@@ba_sic They could find a statue from ancient Greece of two guys going at it raw wrapped in a rainbow flag while Eros looks on approvingly and still be like "Ah, what a testament to the unshakeable bond between two friends, that they would engage in such intimate rituals to display the depths of their heterosexual brotherhood. Truly the pure expression of manhood and male beauty is the pinnacle of a patriarchal society."
Warframe had old man yaoi in one of its recent quests, and the lengths people were going to to deny the reality of gay was so bad I don't think it could even be called copium.
I think Black Swan might have preferred that as well lmao.
@@Lotan_ idk man… just because one Guy is DEFINITELY gay, doesn’t mean he has a romantic relationship, with the other guy.
I always though of it as something of a parental master-student relationship. But that’s the beauty of art. It can be interpreted in many ways.
the fact that its not even that "toxic" is so funny. Like acheron legit had NO idea what was happening to black swan and was just enjoying the dance. She even asks black swan for another dance lol, like girly was full on oblivious
Edit: Um. Wow that's a lot of likes. Ty!
Fr! I say it’s ’toxic’ Yuri because black swan almost died. Though the thing is, it wasn’t Acheron who caused that.
@@Suited_Nat real! neither of them were at fault (black swan a little bit since girly did try to go through her mind) black swan had no idea that going through acherons memories would tear her apart and acheron has no idea that, 1: black swan was even doing so and 2: that what happened would even happen.
looked like archeron was giving bs a backshot more then killing her or smth bro 😭
@@esteaorari She was getting that twelve inches of Acheron.
it fr looked like it was too
When i saw the Acheron and Black swan video. I said to myself "The lesbians and sapphics are gonna eat this shit up" and i was right. They went feral.
I mean... I started the game only because of that video😂🥹
@@Vazar i do hope you're enjoying your experience with HSR
@@lovelysakurapetalsyt Im not super familar with HI3rd but i do know that alot of the playable characters in the game are lesbians raiden mei, bronya, and seele being the biggest ones.
@@espio329 I like it so far. Such as I'm sitting here at 2am after just a session. It seems plot driven which is kind of my thing and I'm looking forward to meet further more characters.
@@Vazar My very sapphic sister literally did the same 😆
Are they canonically dating? No. Are they canonically lesbians? We don't know. Was that scene GAY AS HELL? YES
I think it’s safe to say that any Raiden Expy is gay as hell. It’s part of the terms and conditions of being Raiden.
@@unamuseddetective fair
@@unamuseddetective Dr. Mei?
@arachniic Which part is non-canon? The fact that she exists, that she obviously had a thing with Kevin or something else?
@arachniic How about you shut up when you have no clue what you are talking about. Dr. Mei is very much canon and had very much canon hetero relationship with Kevin which is part of the main storyline of HI3rd.
Moreover, tango was originally a dance originated in Argentina among men because it was considered too 'explicit' for 'ladies,' which later evolved into what we know now. That makes it even more obvious because not only did they choose tango as a medium, but anyone familiar with the artistic background of the origin of this musical style will know how 'transgressive' it is instead of two men or a heterosexual couple dancing it, it's two women... 'Two ladies who would have been prohibited from dancing tango because it's so explicit and sexual.'
This Fr.
i think thats the factor why they cry abt it; its so explicit they were about TOOOOOO-
yeah if they find us scary and weird then they are the weird ones
I think it's more so misogynistic/sexist rather than nsfw coded cuz I think it's more so because women are seen as objects for sex etc. and the male gaze watching it would be horknee cuz they're stupid af like that and they think more so with their dxck during that time and probably banned it because of that, i totally agree tho that its gay as hell but you should also like take into factor the cultural and societal norms back then
That is true. It was commonly danced by two men to compete for women. And was more of a battle dance to showcase their dominance.
And they recently dived a bit into how much they researched for Penacony's art and music... Them diving into amusement parks, mafias, the reason for the designs and shows and everything that makes up the culture, all of BOTH the American and British 20s to 40s... It'd be crazy if they didn't end up looking into the tango, which had popularity at least in America during these times, and find this out and go "YEP, even the history fits!"
The thing with MiHoYo and the homosexual relationships is they have to be careful not to directly state it.
They get very very close but if they just straight(heh) up state that two characters are in a relationship or whatever, they'll get bonked by chinese censorship, and the chinese playerbase.
Yes
And then people go "oh well if they were gay, they'd say it, so they're straight"
MY GUY THEY LEGALLY CANNOT
We already have hi3rd with confirmed gay and them getting punished, we know damn well mihoyo supports lgbt, so when ninguang is inviting beidou to her bed chambers for the entire night for "games", its pretty damn clear they are fucking. And yet these troglodytes somehow say the two of them hate eachother and aren't even friends.
thats a given thats why they do subtext and shit
Unless it is in the manhua, where they can go full-on rainbow.
I mean GGZ has Kiana and Mei currently in a swing together on the title screen being 1000% up in each others shit loving each other and how nobody will get in their way again. They LOVE getting as close to the censorship line as possible
my mom is a professional dance and i showed her the trailer, she said and i quote
"oh thats nice, lesbian couples dancing the tango is more common than you think you know."
Musician here! LIsten to the piece playing in the background of their dancing. There are two main instruments playing the melodie- Violins (possibly a viola or even sth a bit deeper because there are some deep notes there aswell). During the tango the two stringed instruments have a sort of call and response motive by often the lighter voice playing the first phrase, and the second string repeating and paraphrasing the melody in a deeper tone. The light voice symbolizes Black Swan, who's taking the lead at the start of the video. When the deeper voice plays, it signifies that Acheron is also actively invested in this dance. As Eula said, it takes two to tango. During the dance, especially toward the middle and the end, the deeper voice becomes louder and takes over more main harmonies, meaning Acheron is taking over control as seen by the dark depictions of Acherons inner self pushing Black Swan around. Her deep staccato notes showing a dangerous side of herself and these deep notes are building up to the next scene. During the scenes of the hunters eating the prey, Acherons deep notes now play loud deep notes in legato meaning she's fully in control. The light notes of Black Swan now play an octave higher than before- she's scared. She's screaming so to speak.When Black Swan then falls at the end of this passage, she lets out a final cry for help as signified by the very high string note also falling lower in a very stressed manner in 13:17. This was so crazy to analyse and I just. This is the gayest, non-hetero thing I've seen in a long time bro.
dude I actually got chills from reading this, what an amazing analysis. I'm not a musician so I would've never noticed this!! rondo across kalpas is impressive on so many levels omfg
@@anarchy.rainbow there's actually SO SO much more in there! This is mostly stuff that I could remember from having watched the video so many times. Mhy really outdid themselves here and I just find it incredible how they have managed to translate the tensions and intimacy on not just a visual but also the musical level. It just makes me so happy 🥰🥰🥰
Holy shit, this just reminded me why Eula and Amber are such implied lesbians, not only do they take skinny dipping ice baths together, Eula literally said to her "Are you willing to join for a dance? After all, it takes two to tango." And E said, in this video, that tango is one of the most sensual and sexual dances existing, so choosing that one instead of any other dance is just Hoyoverse saying "Yeah, they are dating", without actually saying it.
@@nanaminaokoshi7077 Precisely my thoughts, asking someone to dance a tango with you is like... such an obvious hint that there's some interest there. Let alone ASKING TO DO IT AGAIN SOMETIME like Acheron does after dancing with Black Swan.
Also, I find it hilarious that Eula, the most socially awkward person in Genshin who hasn't been socially isolated for years, is the one who asked Amber to dance. You'd think she'd be a little less forward, but then again, this is Eula we're talking about. Lmao.
@@catdownthestreet Yeaaaa I agree with you. Especially since dancing is also seen as a way of self expression, so for stoic Eula to ask Amber to dance a very passion charged dance with her??? Also the devils tango is literally a synonym for sex. I'm loving all the layers here man 😭😭
Speaking from the perspective of someone who regularly partner-dances with a lesbian, let me tell you, we may be different genders and we may be dancing as just friends... but ain't nothing straight about it. Especially when she leads.
It's important to remember that the lead writer of early Honkai Impact 3rd, who also wrote the manga where Kiana gropes Mei or where Mei dreams of marrying Kiana, was a woman. Ling Yi was lead writer of early HI3 and continued writing GGZ for a long time. Now I don't speak Chinese so I have no idea what her orientation is, but she definitely wrote HI3 at it's raw gayest.
???? Groping someone else is cute and gay now?? Tf
@@MagmaMonikaearly ggz, aswell as the mangas are very sexual and very fan servicy. i dont think its about how its cute, just how its, well, gay.
@@MagmaMonika Both characters in question are a couple.
@@MagmaMonikabro what? Do you know what groping means? Someone grabbed a titty yeah that’s gay
@MagmaMonika Well it's definitely gay, and if both parties are consenting it can be a bit cute.
So fun fact, the main quest that revolves around Ratio and Aventurine is called Double Indemnity. While this is an actual phrase, it is also a movie about a man that got seduced into a murder scheme by a woman. You also get the song Spellbound after completing this quest. This is also a movie about a doctor falling in love with their patient. Something tells me this isn’t just a coincidence.
Wait really? That’s hilarious I love that
@@confusedfrog294 there's also the gun scene in that movie iirc, similar to the one in the lightcone with ratio and aventurine.
i noticed that when i played through it and i was immediately freaking out because there is no way that was just a coincidence. both of those movies are relatively well known (they're shown in film and writing classes i guess), so choosing to name the quest and song after them was a choice indeed. i could be biased though because i'm a huge ratiorine shipper haha.
reminds me of how the part in alhaitham's quest where we meet kaveh and see the two interact is called pride and prejudice
@@sunstarburstz whoever named their quest 'pride and prejudice' deserves a raise. alhaitham is literally so similar to mr. darcy and kaveh is similar to elizabeth
How u be playin a honkai game and be homophobic😭 like half the cast are in the skittle squad😭😭
LMAOOO FORREAL THO
Meanwhile, Honkai Impact 3rd cast in the corner being more gay
KiaMei, BroSeele, Yae Sakura and Kallen, Elysia flirting with Mei, etc
@@WaffleToast1814 yeah when I said honkai Im including Hi3 and GGZ
@@perpetuallyconfused09 oops, my bad for the misinterpretation
@@WaffleToast1814 its alright I could have been more clear
10:58 As someone who’s a bit more into lore, just in terms of looking at trailers for black swan specifically: she could’ve just done the whole process through a single glance or less. She wanted to dance with Acheron regardless lmao.
The heart wants what it wants! I applaud Black Swan for the courage.
People are so weird about ships, especially ships they don't like. If you're not into one ship, just go on with your life!!
I personally do not ship Acheron and Black Swan but that's a me thing. I was as flabbergasted as everyone else when I saw them dancing that tango and my only thought was "good for the AcheSwan shippers, they got food."
exacly!
fr i see robinhill and other ships getting nuked by haters like whattt
@@SizzlingSocks i saw that too, its pretty annoying that people dont like when it happens to them but do the same thing to others...
“grrrrr how dare you ship two pixeleted characters that arent family and are both adults together!😡” /j
No like genuinely, i didn't even care about the couple, i just hate people being purposefully dense that's why i got so pissy,
Acheron,Mei and Raiden are very similar.And what does all three have common? The love for another woman/girl.
Im not even a shiper and I can see the gay screaming from her.I can say the same for Seele and Bronya.
and we what do we have in common? we're reliable with the LADIESSSSSS
What I hate is people saying Aventurine EN voice is too zesty as a reason to hate him. Like we all know what they actually mean. Personally I headcanon him as bi but that’s just me. Also I love how many CN and KR players have said they might switch to EN voices just because of him.
I think in general Hoyo fandom has a shipping problem. And by that I mean both LGBTQ and straight fanart can get hated on so much that the artists delete the art and sometimes their pages. Or when VAs like or retweet a fanart which has a ship they don’t like. I don’t have twitter but I’ve heard the stories.
SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE AT THE BACK👏🗣️
WE DO NOT TOLERATE ANY HATE OF ANY KIND!!!🔥🔥
I WAS LITRALLY GOING TO WRITE THE SAME COMMENT!
I HC AVENTURINE AS BI TOO (or Pan)! 😍
PEOPLE SAYING "HE SOUNDS SO ZESTY" ARE MAKING IT SOUND LIKE ITS A BAD THING, FINALLY SOMEONE WHO THINKS THE SAME WAY! 😭
Yeah, there was an artist who drew a straight ship from Genshin recently (Neuvillette x Clorinde I think) and got massively bullied for it (as well as someone who tweeted that Seele + Luka made a cute pair and got bombed for "ignoring Bronya"). Homophobes DO exist, but straight shippers also get attacked too.
whenever aventurine is onscreen and talking I straight up mute my computer 💀his voice is annoying to me
@@SonicRooncoPrime Yup. Both sides are equally toxic. Yae x Ei is one of the worst offenders in genshin when it comes to toxic shipping. Shippers don't understand the word "headcanon", as in its in their head. Sure, these 2 characters has a good dynamic, but the shippers go way too far (they're fictional characters and they are going to war on twitter, like come on?)
One of the most difficult things to get people to understand is that abuse is not about violence. It's about control. Violence is frequently used as a tool for abusers, but it is always to control their partners. That's what makes it abuse. An abuser can be an abuser without ever laying a finger on their victim.
Acheron is not wielding violence as a weapon to control Black Swan. All evidence suggests she was not even conscious of what Black Swan was experiencing in the second half of their dance. That is not abuse. Calling it abuse devalues the very real horror that very real people suffer from every day at the hands of actual abusers.
Exactly!! This is what I was going to say
this is what I was going to say! Either way though, I think it tells leagues when people say it’s toxic, without reading between the lines. Like Acheron wasn’t conscious during the second part of the dance, Bs was looking though her memories.
Though I want to add, it’s extra infuriating to see people say that toxic queer relationships are any queer relationships… like no they aren’t. It’s fucking obnoxious to see.
Just realised my mother was indeed abusing me, not just punishing me, brb, gonna have a small existential crisis, the third one today!!😃
Yup. Plenty of people out there that aren't violent at all, but are horrendusly abusive.
@@nanaminaokoshi7077Oop. Hope you feel better soon, I had a similar experience just yesterday.
That comment that said something like it's sad Hoyo defaults to girl on girl instead of guys and basically calling it fetishization is ridiculous. They should know damn well that wlw has always been seen as WAY more accepted in patriarchal societies, even in the West. So putting two women together is gonna get you a lot less backlash as if you were so blatant about it with two men. Like, if this scene was two men, the CCP would probably have freaked out! But because the CCP is mostly men, you know damn well that they would ignore this because most men would rather see two women together than men..no matter what their political affiliation is. Hoyo still took a huge ass risk with this considering how anything gay is practically illegal in China, but I feel like unless too many people make a big deal over it, it will probably be fine.
So yes, technically they are kinda getting away with it because straight men will probably fetishize the women, but if this is the only way you can be more blatant about them being gay without you getting your ass handed to you by the CCP, then so be it. It's still gay, it still gives representation, it's just done in a way that is safer for them to be able to do.
I think that's what the person is upset about. The fact that because of patriarchy, we'll never get gay men representation from anything. They're saying it's unfair and wishes Hoyo could do the same for gay men relationships
'wlw has been more accepted in patriarchies' um respectfully no . the reason there weren't any explicit legal prohibitions on lesbianism in laws of patriarchies unlike with intercourse between two men because misogyny kept gay and bi women apart , aka forcing them into heterosexual marriages 😭 the fact that straight men think two women together is just a threesome waiting for its main character and everyone else is going to say 'look at the two girl best friends' does not equal acceptance . rather its the intersection between homophobia and misogyny that treats wlw as a mutable preference or a performance for straight men rather than actual gayness
@@alien_liwil cant they just watch heartstopper then, if gay men are what theyre after? or enstars?
@@arlynnecumberbatch1056 so those are the only things that should have gay men in them?
What? I've seen gay men get more rep then woman love woman, often times woman love woman is fetishsized more often
You saying the game has "space lesbians" is so funny because my first complete team in the game was one with Seele and Bronya, and named the team exactly "Space Lesbians"
That's hilarious. I plan on doing the same thing eventually. Also I'm a Genshin player first and foremost and one of the first teams I made after Liyue was a team with Beidou, Ningguang, Jean, and Lisa. I named it "Leading Lesbians" cause they're all powerful women lol
all of HI3 is space lesbians
Haha😂
Belobog lesbians
I'm a dance teacher, and while I don't teach Tango Argentino (the type of tango danced in the video AND GOD BLESS THANK THE ANIMATORS FOR INCLUDING SOME TECHNIQUE AND ELEMENTS OF THE DANCE), I have danced it before. Now, let me tell you: I have danced with a lot of different kind of people - and it makes a GIANT difference whether you dance with friends or people that you don't have an already established platonic relationship with. This dance here. This, has more characteristics of a flirtatious dance than a "haha funny, I'm dancing with my bestie" kind of dance. THIS WAS VERY FLIRTATIOUS!!!! THIS WAS HOT AND SENSUAL INTIMACY!! THIS WAS THE KIND OF TANGO THAT GOT ME MY CURRENT BOYFRIEND!!!!!!!
"Got me my current boyfriend" is wild 😭
'got me my current boyfriend' damn
damn sis you dance so good you snatched a man. Respect.
It took me till media literacy was going downhill to realize just how important that lesson about deeper meanings was. I always laughed at the jokes about "maybe the blinds are just blue!" but, clearly a lot of people either were absent for that lesson or just didn't pay attention. People will take beautiful and insightful art, and refuse to look deeper into it because their immediate assumption is based on a surface level analysis.
Nobody:
Not one single person:
Not ever:
Hoyo: The most THE MOSTEST intense, the most AGGRESSIVE and COMBATIVELY, SADISTICALLY GAY THING hoyo OR ANYONE has EVER DONE.
Fans: Wow what good friends
lol
Made me laugh out loud, thank you
The only reason I reject this pairing is because that is not a Kiana Kaslana expy I am seeing.
ramdom person: ehhrrmmm akshually hoyo is chinese so they cant be gay!!☝️🤓
Its just so clear that lesbians are much safer option for hoyoverse because is more tolerated among players (cause homophobe men still like to watch lesbians lol) but imagine if they release something similar about two male characters? That would be very bold but its not going to happen. Sadge.
I’m so glad you’re making this. I posted some Acheron/swan art and quickly deleted it due to the onslaught of vitriol I received. unsurprisingly there’s never a debate about the validity of a ship when heterosexual art is posted.
I completely agree but sometimes in some fandoms or corners we be harassing mxf ships will delete if im saying a bad thing that brings controversy
@@starpeep5769 I’ve personally not seen that, but I completely agree harassment of any sort is completely unacceptable.
@@SupaSaiyanXPyesss
The main reason some non m/f ships are so hardly accepted is because most of them are exaggerated WAY too hard. Something like "they looked at eachother for 1,24 seconds, they must be into eachother"
Now I'm not saying the same is true for this ship, but I feel like so far the only reason Black Swan interacted with Acheron was to find out more about Acheron's past and memories
@@pwpqwq7648it’s completely true indeed that her main motivation was to enter Acheron’s memories. However, it’s been shown she can do that without a seductive and intimate dance. There’s also voice lines and dialogue in-game that furthers their dynamic. Both can be true, she wanted to enter Acheron’s memories AND she chose to do that in an extremely intimate and sensual way because she was enticed by Acheron (as she says herself). It confuses me that people deny this.
I mean
A Mei with no Kiana is a Mei that’ll end the world
Firefly = Kiana perhaps? I mean, listen to her line about Firefly. Not romantic necessarily, but Firefly definitely means something, represents something, to Acheron. Optimism? New beginnings? Origin and Void dichotomy? Seems pretty Kiana-ish to me. (But that’s just a theory)
@@dionysus913 Believable but very much a stretch
Im very sure Firefly doesn't have the matching headstrong energy as the Tuna herself
from how that trailer looked i think her kiana may be a little dead
@@dionysus913 Nah Firefly is direct reference to Kallen. Even her Initial Death (now we know that she is alive) is so similar to Kallen, even Kallen has an alter self, her being a vigilante at night while being a Valkyrae and saint in the day. Although we can say that, Since Firefly was created in a test tube (This source is from an early leak so this might be change). It is possible that it is instead reference to Theresa.
But i do believe Kiana in that acheron has probably died or never existed.
@@YourAverageLoser763 That's actually what I'm theorizing. HSR Kiana is probably dead or worse.
To Black Swan, that dance became a core memory in her life, for Acheron, it was just Tuesday
I bet they let them publish this precisely because it turned dark at the end. It's a self fulfilling prophecy: they don't allow for good endings for queer characters, create the consensus that queer relationships are bad, and shouldn't be allowed to be shown with good endings.
Honkai universe is fruitier than my lunch table how r ppl like this 😭😭🙏
Honkai impact has 3 canon lesbian couples from what I’ve heard
@@Suited_Nat fr including Raiden Mei I’m pretty sure, which is who Acheron is based off of,(if that’s the right term, raidenverse yk) every Mei needs their Kiana‼️‼️
@@Suited_Nat more than 3, but yes, that's what most people say
@@fizzyjam afaik the only explicitly confirmed gay couples are Kiana+Mei, Bronya+Seele, and Kallen+Yae. Durandal+Rita is implied but not confirmed and Elysia was heavily implied to be gay but never had a love interest.
😂 Mine as well.
on top of that, another type of dance they could’ve chosen that has an entirely different vibe but is still reminiscent of the period of time penacony was going for is the jive, a much more high energy type of dance that would really encompass the essence of acherons backstory and could do the whole ripping scene in a less intimate manner but the tango holds a different attitude and makes that betrayal of trust on both ends so much more pungent and sapphic if i may say so myself
they could've been Scissoring and the fandom would still think they're just hugging
At least on where I hang out on tumblr, WE WERE EATING THIS UP OK. Now I’m pretty sure I’m straight, but sexuality is a fluid social construct so who knows. What I do know is that I too wish to dance with a pretty woman taller than me and then be subjected to eldritch horrors and then be left with lingering interest and fear which combines into an eerie fascination……..
Can be a fluid Thing,But it's not always
doesn't sound very straight to me........ /j
Archeswan is the most direct and obvious case of this sadly its not the first in hoyo fandom (the reason why the genshin is gay videos needed to be made) and definitely not last
I think Kaveh and Al-Haitham was obvious too. The moment Kaveh leaked as "Al-Haitham's roommate" people knew it was gay
@@Tsukimireuyeah, especially considering how Alhaitham could just, kick him out, he didn’t have to let him stay. But I agree.
@@Suited_Nat OMGG FRFR for someone who loves his personal space, alhaitham gave it up way too quickly to give kaveh a home.
@@Suited_NatAl-Haitham is obviously not the kind of person who does good for nothing. and with this context it is obvious that he clearly cares about Kaveh.
but at the same time there are still people who say that they hate each other🙄🙄🙄
I often have difficulties to spot the queercoding, even as a queer person myself, but when I was in the livechat and a few scenes of the short were shown, even I immediatly understood those two are meant to be a couple. Like come on. Also I was so shocked by the queerphobia in chat after the scenes.
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9:52 Somwthing I do wanna mention: Acheron has voiced lines about wanting to dance with black swan again: “A lady of elegance and dignity, her benevolent offer lingers in my memory. That dance… it brought me a sense of warmth and nostalgia.”
This is directly quoted from the game. Take into account that Acheron often tends to loose certain memories, she talks about how it lingers. Not how it stays, how it lingers. Also when she says “that dance” she practically shivers when she says that in her voiced lines.
Her being added with black swan has a line about being ready for another dance.
Either way, I know people will view it as inherent fanservice, but I feel like it’s pretty fucking obvious that it’s not just fanservice. They didn’t have to make a show about the straight couples behind them, about the fact that in black swans’s trailer, she doesn’t have to touch another person to look into their memories. They made those decisions to imply lesbians lol
Acheron: I have no idea how I took the lead in that dance, but I can assure you I can do it again. Way more harder than before. Where's this purple haired chick?
You know what's funny? If this ship was hetero, it would be labeled as dark romance. A genre that's currently really popular.
This is also my first time hearing about this ship, I'm not that far into the third(?) Chapter. But I can already tell that this would be an interesting pairing/trope. The mentally tormented with the calm and collected.
my friend sent me the black swan/acheron video in jp and she said "watch the en version too its more flirtatious" and i deadass couldnt because i was in the car with my mom because IT WAS ALREADY SO FUCKING FRUITY IN JP I CANT HAVE MY MOM HEAR AND UNDERSTAND THAT SHIT
but good god they're so intensely GAYYYYY oh my GODDDDDDDDDD i fucking CANT WITH THESE TWOOOOOOOO (live laugh love toxic yuri)
One thing you forgot to include that further contributes to the romance is that Acheron's voice over "About Black Swan" on her profile has her saying this:
"A lady of elegance and dignity, her benevolent offer lingers in my memory. That dance... it brought me a sense of warmth and nostalgia."
The woman who has memory problems still remembers Black Swan offering her a dance, and she regards that dance with warmth and nostalgia. She held no malice toward Black Swan, nor did she intend to harm or scare her. She enjoyed dancing with her and felt happy, completely oblivious to the dark memories that Black Swan had exposed herself to.
There's a lot of complexity here when looking at Acheron's memories and the red and white version of her. Drawing her sword causes her memories to return to her, and every time we've seen her wield her sword unsheathed so far, she cries. She has expressed that she prefers not to wield her sword, and she even wishes to refrain from killing. We saw from her Myriad Celestia trailer that she lost everything on her home planet. People she knew died, her civilization crumbled. She even told Welt that she ended the life of the man who was in charge, _alone._ No one stood by her side as she did the deed.
The things that she witnessed, the things she has had to do, the fact that she says she still dreams about the people who died because of her... These are all very heavy - and possibly tormenting - memories that she carries locked in the back of her mind, mostly forgotten until she draws her sword again. Of course peering into such memories would hit a being of Memory very hard, especially when an Aeon's influence is brought into the mix.
*Edit:* Also, it's funny to me that anyone would deny Aventurine being interested in men. Set aside his flamboyance and the fact that Welt even referred to his style as flamboyant, when you're playing as Aventurine in Aideen Park, we get to read his mental description of Woolsey, the muscular and battle-scarred Bloodhound member. He describes Woolsey as a "hunk". When used to refer to a man, "hunk" is a descriptor that means this man is large, strong, and *_attractive._* Aventurine is so much of a fruit bowl that, as he walked around with an active countdown timer to his death, he took the time to mentally describe another man as a hunk. I forgot the exact wording of the compliment that he used when talking to Woolsey, but there was that too.
I'm convinced Aventurine is gay or bi- but I'm not sure about Dr ratio- if he is (He probably is) i don't think it was any interest towards aventurine in the slightest.
@@JeneAshinaActually there is queercoding for Ratio as well, specifically towards Aventurine.
The quest that centers around him and Aventurine (where they work together to fool Sunday) is called Double Indemnity, which is the name of a film noir romance movie about a man who gets seduced into a conspiracy by a woman. When you complete the quest you get rewarded a music disc called Spellbound, which is named after another film noir romance movie about a doctor who falls in love with a patient.
The doctor in the Spellbound movie is called the “custodian of truth” and Ratio’s name in Chinese is “doctor of truth”. There’s also a dream sequence in the movie told from the patient’s perspective where the patient is gambling at a casino.
In Double Indemnity meanwhile, there’s a scene where (spoiler alert) the man fires 3 gunshots at the woman and kills her, and the woman is described as provocative. In Star Rail there’s a light cone called Final Victor with a similar scene where Ratio fires 3 gunshots at Aventurine (who survives thanks to his luck), and Aventurine is also described as provocative there.
@@roki_00 i see- but i like to see their actions towards each other where dr ratio tolerates him without much care (from what i've seen)
@@JeneAshina You’re free to interpret their relationship however you like, but I do think Ratio cares about Aventurine even if he’s not obvious about it. He was visibly bothered whenever Aventurine’s life was in danger, and he even ended up writing that note at the end where he wished Aventurine luck and asked him to stay alive.
There’s also the possibility that Ratio was extra harsh towards Aventurine in the Penacony quests to fool Sunday (who had his servants observe them) into thinking Ratio hates Aventurine.
@@roki_00 true i can see that. i love how you arent as aggressive about the relationship as many others are! Truly Adult matured type shit 💪😮💨
The excuse that “black swan needs to be close to ppl to see their memories” is just wrong- like in her trailer she’s able to look through memories without ever looking at someone. She made the choice to steal dancers memories to dance with Acheron, a choice. In fact, the dance itself is referred to during the 2.0 quest itself, when Acheron talks about dancing with someone.
Acheron has voiced lines about wanting to dance again with Bs, and that she liked it. I’m pretty sure they both have lines referring to the dance when you put them on the same team as well.
Homophobes really jump through hoops to say that dancing the tango isn’t romantic when we all know if black swan was dancing with a man they’d call it romantic.
Like… come on, a dance that is considered in the US to be inherently intimate and romantic is “suddenly not” when two women do it?
And I’m specifically talking about this from a media perspective, irl is different because people can be friends and dance the tango for dance competitions.
Just a correction, the canonical kiss in honkai impact manga azure waters was i believe removed for a bit but it is currently avaliable! On the official honkai manga site, And also there are multiple canon relationships and lots of coding throughout mangas and the game. Like in one of the first chapters the herrscher of the void calls mei her girlfriend, and calls her her "other half". Theres also that time in the part 2 special program matsuzawa chiaki said "fans in japan love honkai as much as mei loves kiana" which was just so cute and i wanted to mention that but there is lots more too
I 100% agree this video needs to be made, the way people have become so toxic towards fans who enjoy Acheron x Black Swan has been so disheartening and very frustrating.
That said, I feel like homophobia in the Hoyoverse fandom as a whole - including Genshin - should also be explored. We've had to deal with CR fanfics being wrongfully tagged on purpose, with big accounts only saying "oh...then don't read them," which...that's not how AO3 works. If something is tagged as "fluff" but involves a woman being r4p3d, then it was done with malicious intent. Not to mention, just the constant amount of homophobes who will see sapphic artwork or in this case, reaction videos to something queer (see also Beiguang Lantern Rite flirting or Clorivia lipstick line) and going into that person's comments just to be a dick while not understanding giving queer people a space where they're free to voice their opinion. Anyway, really looking forward to this video and what it goes into!
Well, the genshin community is generally toxic all around with shippers, homophobic and heterophobic. Like, look at the goddamn Yae x raiden, some bastards are really damn crazy when it comes to that
I got no problem with opinions I got no problem with headcanon you do whatever you want.....until you statr being a psychotic asshole and then start trying to push your headcanon as fact then I take issue.
@9skybbltyvery true! I think the reason they mentioned black swan and Acheron is due to how people have been over them tho
Can I ask what CR means in this context, I don't understand?
@@nekoprankster2184 CR = correction r4p3, i think.
When you talked about the writers and “yearning” I almost screamed, good stuff! If you haven’t checked them out, I highly reccomend the “twilight” video by contrapoints, Natalie spends three hours analyzing that idea of yearning, about the gravity and darkness, the allure of death, all with a heavy sprinkle of dunking on twilight in the most entertaining ways, can’t recommend higher
OMG SAME i love her videos the most and at the mention of yearning i thought about the twilight video too (that video was the most eye opening among others by her so far, it felt like all my life questions were finally being answered) 😭❤
I just realised the way the romantic and beautiful atmosphere is suddenly taken away is kinda like Acherons past experience like she’s really making black swan ‘relive’ the memory
The most hilarious part of this, to me, was the amount of dudebros going "they're queerbaiting for the queers lmao. They're all actually straight lol and you guys are falling for it, that's so pathetic."
Saying this with their whole chest! Bestie if this is queerbaiting I hope more shows queerbait.
Deadass, plus i just hate that whole narrative of, 'oh they are pandering, ya'll are idiots.' Like my g, my brother is gay jesus, they were pandering to you and your tastes for years and you didn't have an issue.
I would not be surprised if boothill is gay- I wouldn't be even angry tho- He seems gayer than every other character with his actions. I don't think fashion really says a lot about sexuality against actions. lol all good in fun in a debate tho-
Something that always annoys me as someone who has also played Hi3 and Genshin, is that a lot of the female characters that are a Variant from Hi3 (Raiden, Bronya, Seele, Kiana etc) will always be reduced by the honkai Fandom (with honkai Fandom I mean the ppl that have played Hi3, they probably play hsr too, but I mean the Former. The latter is Star rail for me) as fxf ships and ignore any other Journey they have had. With Raiden Mei, yes her Crux of her believe was born from Kiana but she also had a pretty spicy relationship with Elysia, another woman, and then through her got another Herrscher Form. Bronya is also not as much tied to Seele but more third wheeling Mei and Kiana from my pov and HoR Core. Seele has a very intense relationship with the other Seele (Dark Seele or Veronia). But I never see this mentioned anywhere, it's always Kiamei, Bronseele etc. And while I do love these ships as well the lack of basic interest in the story hurts me. Now with Star rail we have another Bronseele but this Raiden Variant is, like other Raiden Variant hoyo has done, a Raiden with someone who isnt Kiana. They have already done this in Genshin where I Think the most notably Raiden ship is the one with Yae, which I adore btw, who is a Yae Sakura Variant, who in Hi3 is also a Canon lesbian but that whole arc is a bit convoluted. So in all 3 different games Raiden has a different gay relationship which I find interesting. Now I dont mean that BS is a Canon Acheron ship but that there is at least something spicy going on here with a not Kiana (again). Bronya, Seele etc in Hsr are NOT Hi3 bronya Seele etc, they are entirely different characters with entirely different relationships. People say "a mei that lost her kiana" but every Raiden lost something that isnt just a Singular person. Raiden Ei lost her twin sister, acheron lost her entire Planet and civillization. I think it is pretty sad that people force Kiana in the conversation when all these characters have very potent backstories and I think they deserve being talked about both in the overarching Hoyoverse narrative and as singular beings. I wonder if the reason for the lack of Kiana Variants in other hoyo games is that if they ever made a mei less kiana ship, people would Tore them to pieces.
i expect nothing less than toxic hi3rd players cause i got atk for saying i'd prefer it if hsr and the hi3rd people could treat Acheron as her own character with her own story that's unique to hsr universe. Not everything has to be about hi3rd herrscher etc. Acheron can exist independently without being called Mei or HoT every 2 secs
@@maliniras To be honest i feel like in a way, it's also a means to make sure people can't say 'well, this is a difference, that doesn't mean she's a lesbian' which is shit people love to do to try and make shippers seem like they are crazy.
@@maliniras For almost every other character I'd say that's fair, but for Acheron she explicitly comes from a hi3rd-esque world and a large chunk of her 2.1 story is her and Welt bonding over their similiar hi3 experiences. I don't think you should get attacked for saying she should be her own character, and parts of her story are certainly unique to herself especially her experiences post-End/Finality, but it's also reasonable for people who see hi3 Mei in Acheron to make the connection and be excited about it.
@@Ikirri little note, we just got confirmation in game that Acheron is Raiden (Bosenmori) Mei
I feel like we need to see Penacony’s end then make conclusions. Also black swan and Acheron have a lightcone (unreleased) were they are dancing so we really can’t judge yet.
I agree, I can't wait until 2.2 releases. The story so far has been great and has left me on the edge of my seat, it's better to wait until it's all over until we can make a proper conclusion on things like these and character interactions that we've seen so far.
thats blackswan and acheron on the lightcone. we can clearly see black swans markings all over her
@@blossomflowers118 mb I meant black swan lol. I was thinking of robin while typing it.
@@komgoo4974it’s alright! We make mistakes- I thought it was Robin and Acheron dancing on the lc at first lol
... I mean... their trailer and voice lines make it clear that they don't have anything for each other... they're allies at very best in currently but people mischaracterizing both of them just so they could ship them isn't right either chief
4:53 something I wanna add to the analysis, the shots in the beginning give off the impression of: they were in their own world, the people dancing in the background fade away to make room for them both.
The question is always "if this was a man and a woman, would people see it as romantic/suggestive of romance?" and the answer is ALWAYS yes bc people are so locked in their hetero normative views.
One time I asked if they were a guy and girl would they see it as romantic and they just deadass said "yes because straight is normal unlike gays and adult men and women aren't friends with eachother without romantic feelings"
Massive fucking self report
You do realize that normal people have a harder time interacting with the opposite gender, right?
@SolarLight-wc8py You do realise this is a fictional setting where we're shown characters of different genders comfortably interacting with each other on multiple occasions?
In a real-life scenario, that argument would hold some water, but in this case its irrelevant.
@@SolarLight-wc8py damn man that's a self report
@@aetriandimitri190 man that isn't what self report means
man i'm so glad someone is talking about this, the main subreddit was unbearable about this (it's generally unbearable for other reasons as well, but this was notable lol). i'm glad a lot of the other subreddits are more tolerable, weirdly the leak subreddit is one of the most chill places
Lmao I love the leak subreddit. I honestly get less spoilers there than the main hsr subreddit at this point and the people just joke, thirst over aventueine and theorise about March 7th new kit switch
@@imbiork right, like where did I get spoiled about the character reveal we saw at the end of 2.1? It wasn't the leak subreddit shockingly lol. Also I loved going there for the boothill animation leaks and seeing the before and after of the mods going through removing thirst comments
and don't get me started on their bias for welt 🙄
@@imbiorkThey are also amazingly good at character analyzing like wow. Leak subreddit is a vibe i love discussing theories with them based on vague leaks
Black Swan being a Memokeeper makes her fear even more salient. She doesn't have a physical body, so most things can't actually harm her - but inside Acheron, she encountered one of the few things in the cosmos that poses an immediate, mortal danger to her. It would be like a vampire having a chat with a stranger at a bar, only to realize that the stranger is Van Helsing and the bar is secretly a church.
when i saw hoyo drop that masterpiece out of nowhere i was speechless and was like the lesbians are eating well tonight
I was eating well that night… I need to stop being so desparate for a girlfriend 😪
Also the closing line of Black Swan's companion quest. It was something like "Sorry, dear, but my dream dance partner has already been decided"
“erm they’re just dancing as friends” would YOU do that with ur buddies bro? 🤨🏳️🌈
the common consensus against acheron/black swan is that acheron traumatized bs, but if she was really that scared then she wouldn’t ask for another dance in the party setup, would she now? for the record, i have nothing against m/f ships for either of them, nor do i ship them myself to be entirely honest (sparkle/bs is simply better 😌), and the dance scene doesn’t mean they’re a couple (to my surprise, this is a common idea?) there’s just a ton of sexual tension between them and i think even a blind man would pick up on it lol
You should mind them shipping acheron with men since she is an expy of raiden mei, a canon lesbian.
@@loyyyylo not in hsr she's not a canon lesbian.
Tbh I would
The whole point of the dance was to read Acheron’s memories, it was just sexual for Fan service lmao. I mean I don’t mind that cuz ship who you want just sayin.
I've shared a few dances with with my friend on the graduation, doesn't make us a pair now does it?
9:51
you DIDN'T mention how Acheron was pulled back up after this
she literally hugged Blackswan with one of her feet raised like she was rizzed up by this point
If Black Swan or Acheron had been a man in that dance, nobody would have even questioned it. Or maybe they'd have questioned it if it was fem!Black Swan leading the dance with genderbent masc!Acheron and showed their homophobia that way (and then probably cheered when a masc!Acheron accidentally traumatizes BS bc there's redpills in gacha) but it'd still be considered a sexually charged dance and things like "gaze," "linger," and "engagement," would have been considerable evidence to a straight presenting ship. Things like their chests brushing against each other and their thighs and knees constantly wrapped up in each other would produce wedding fanart within 30 mins. 🙄
And there literally is no saving someone calling that dance platonic 😂 that is the most funny thing lol. Like please, girlies, I'm aromantic, SHUT UP that was so gay lmbo
No it would still be bs because Black Swan is a Memokeeper....
I watched the video with my hetero pal and she was like that's so gay
@@theonewayroad3867BS as in Black Swan lmaooo why are you even in these comments
@@rosalynelippington Are you okay ?
@@theonewayroad3867 Not really. How about you? Is that a genuine question?
one thing I also find really weird is that, people call complexe relationship toxic (kaveh/Alheitham, Ei/Miko, etc ) like any relationship between two characters of the same gender who aren't bffs always get called toxic if the two are shipped by the fandom. Yet when it comes to straight pairings people don't call it toxic when the relationship isn't 100% perfect and light. Even actual toxic pairings only get called out when queer, but when it's straight it's rarely the case, despite both of them being fiction and just existing to entertain people. It's almost like queer people don't have the right to have queer relationship depicted as something other than blank couple with no issues or just dealing with exterior homophobia, while straight people get to have their complexe couples with layers of symbolism and wicked characters without getting hate for it.
Exactly like saying Kokosara is toxic while shipping Ittosara is so ???? Fandom discourse isn’t pleasant, and not all of it is due to homophobia, but some of it definitely is.
Acheswan is peak yuri, the fact Black Swan still being drawn to Acheron fully knowing she might be consumed by her memories makes it even better, idk how delusional people gotta be to deny it 😭if Acheron was a man, you wouldn't see any deniers
THEIR VOICELINES WHEN ADDED IN THE SAME TEAM THOUGH? THEY'RE ALL LIKE "HMMM WANNA DANCE AGAIN?"
"oH bLack SwaN neeDS tO geT cLOse To ArcheRON foR heR magIC tO WorK!" shush.
Yeah like really, she could have gotten close in other ways, but she CHOSE to be super gay about it. 🤣🤣
I could’ve sworn that I saw Black Swan used her memory powers without the other person physically there in the main story. So, she didn’t really needed to be that extra. 😳
i guess historians will call them "friends" but srs she could have chose any other dance but she chose TANGO and dance abt INTIMACY and ROMANCE (popular defi in society ofc i know its originated from african culture)
This is unrelated to your actual comment, but your pfp is super cute
The worst is, she doesn't. She doesn't even need them to see her and she can glide in and out of memories with ease
What many annoying people say is that 'you really like it just because it's gay' 1st of all, yes. 2nd, THIS IS SO MUCH MORE. Like you briefly touched upon, this is such an artpiece. Throwing the gay away, the choreography, the lore drops, just the amazing visuals AND THE MUSIC (it's so fucikfn good like that violin GOES HARD). This is such a fiest in every depratment, 10 ACROSS THE BOARD.
However, letting the gay back in, it's also such an amazing sign for the future of homoverse, if they dared to release this, who knows what they'll cook up later. Like I'm not only screaming and crying because I see lasbians on my screen, it's also because those lesbians are a sign for what's to come. They're like a gay rainbow in the dark heterosexual skies.
your use of similes is apt. indeed a gay rainbow in dark heterosexual skies.
You can also throw their logic at them "you only like it because it's straight"
Besides Seele and Bronya who are strait up confirmed in the HI manga Blackswan and Acheron are definitely the most heavy implied relationship in Honkai Star Rail.
(Holy likes Batman)
There's a manga of star rail?
@@w1nther930bronya and seele in hi3 kissed in the manga and are canon, and in star rail theyre very obviously implied to be into eachother
@@myemailistragicsendhelp1781 Implication is not canonicity. Even if its expos and counter parts in star rail, i don't think it's the same by default. Well, it is harder for Hoyo due to China heavily going down on same on same relationships
@@w1nther930 they kiss bro...what more do you want.
@@lumaw152 they kiss in honkai impact manga they do not kiss in star rail and imo come across as close friends they dont come across as romantically involved imo but ive also seen people who are just friends that act just like them in the real world and yet were not romantically involved in any way whatsoever. so i attribute first hand experience with what ive seen to how characters in a video game act. which is why people need to chill out with their head canon as people have their own experiences to go off of and shouldnt shove the way they feel onto someone else by trying to claim something is canon when its just headcanon as it hasnt been proven one way or another.
I keep getting pulled back to this video-so for all of you fighting about homosexuality and being openly homophobic/ erasing someone’s coding…
I think we all need to remember why we watch E’s content.
It’s not to fight over sexuality
It’s not to tell people off about their ships
It’s not to be homophobic-cause all that’s doing is boosting E’s platform because people are commenting.
We come here because we want to see a queer reperantative (not for everyone but as an individual) talk about queer coding and why it is inherently important to all queer people and media.
If you don’t think it’s gay, great! Then disagree and go home-if you do, also great! Enjoy the video-but don’t put others down and don’t tell people off…it solves nothing and gay-erasure is still going to exist unless we all collectively agree to talk about it-not debate.
Sorry for the only post…I just couldn’t stand watching 200 comments pop up from a comment I made-which was an add on to someone else’s
❤E! Keep Trailblazing
It also blew my mind how some people say that was not Queer and BS was only using her power, and I'm here like nah bro, there was no need to be THAT sensual to use her powers, we've seen her use them just like nothing with no need of a Dance or being that close to her target. And as a Bi-Ace Woman I wanted to be in Acheron positions dancing with BS so bad in the first half... So I think that says enough.
Some people do not like Acheswan because they are homophobic and/or blind.
I do not like Acheswan because I am a Kiamei shipper and am coping/hoping.
We are not the same.
(the animated short was fire tho)
Jokes aside, it baffles me that anyone (but specially longtime fans) can play a Mihoyo/Hoyoverse game and not see the gay shit in front of their eyes. Hoyo is always dancing around the censorship, but sometimes they layer the subtext so thickly that it just could be text at this point.
EDIT: ALSO, I am pretty sure most western companies would struggle to greenlight the publishing of an animated short like that, it would probably be toned down to the most milquetoast thing as soon as it reached the average board of directors. And as far as I know this happens without state enforced censorship, imagine i they could use this excuse.
and there is people who just dont care about ship, but lets be honest, there is people(not all) who ship yuri or yaoi who will always attack straight ship and ofc there is people(not all) that will attack yuri or yaoi ship, its just fandom not respecting each other, normal daily life
Just noticed black swan has a belt thingy on her veil.
BS that is not where you're meant to wear that girlie but you do you 😭🙏
@@Ritoishe loves to be quirky
Yeah it fucking annoys me for some reason, must be left over from FF's obsession with belts....
AAH IM SO EXCITED FOR THIS VIDEO AND ACHESWAN IS CANON JUST TO REMIND U GUYS ‼️
Really it’s one of the only ship I love the most (the other ones are XingYun and the majority of ocxcanon) 😂😂😂
REAL
I think you're misusing the term "canon" here, even if the sexual tension and queerness in their interactions is as overt as one can get.
@@ArbitraryOutcome of course it isnt canon, but they usually just say it out of love and not seriousness
@@ArbitraryOutcome i think you didnt’ realise i don’t use the word “canon” seriously😭
Another argument is that, Black Swan doen't have to have contact to read somebodies memories, like she has to be close, like a few meters/feet, but not THAT close
Love that hoyoverse doubled down on this gay dance and released a light cone with them both dancing while acheron is in a suit😊
And a voice line! "About Acheron" from Black Swan. You'll not regret listening to it
The aeon of media literacy is in shambles
Okay but we need to cover Aventurine and Sam they have been through some shit
I love that I was a bit disappointed by Sam and I almost agreed with them until they started listing their toxic ahh reasons 💀
And yes our boi Aventurine has been put through the shitter
I dont Play Honkai Star Rail so i dont know anything about the Story, the characters etc. but holy Shit even i See how Sexual this is😳
Like, you must be really stupid or in compleat denial to Not See any Yuri, sexual attraction or Sexual tension in it.
And Tango is really the Most passionate dance the could have choosed.
If they wanted to Show oh Look at this "good Friends" than, i dont know, choose viennese waltz, at least to me this Kind of dance is more....i dont know how to describe it....childfrendly?😂
More tame? Something i would actually dance with a good friend
If you think that's how friends dance, you're delusional 😂
i’m not exaggerating when i say that this video literally got me back into hsr. it’s fantastic cinema. the homoeroticism of acheswan’s dance as well as the imagery depicting black swan’s horror. as an avid lover of lore and characterization, i just couldn’t stop thinking about this video.
and yet, people have the gall to simply say they’re not queer- and if it is, it’s fetishization. i’m convinced that the only reason why these types of fans say stuff like this is because they don’t understand the complex facets that make up humanity, nor do they get why this type of representation is so important to the queer community.
I agree though their is layers though. Like I do ship Aventurine and Dr Ratio it makes sense enough though because of this people seem to take any compliments as gay or lesbian like calling another dude handsome doesn't mean gay.
Im biased because irl like i just dont like being called gay for like i said complimenting someone.
But as i said they gay
First off, I'm really sorry to any LGBT+ people who got attacked for shipping these two. Heck, I don't ship Acheswan and even I can tell how flirtatious and romantic the whole animation is. As E points out, Acheron is really enjoying herself too.
I am curious how many of the naysayers are doing so because of the lore though. Black Swan *is* on Penacony to gather memories and even though she's enjoying their dance it's clear from how she acts in the story that her priority is Acheron's (and anyone else she interacts with's) memories. So instead of her coming onto Acheron and getting scared off I saw it more as her trying to seduce Acheron and getting scared off. Heck, 2.1's plot implies she's going to team up with Boothill to take her out.
And before anyone accuses *me* of being homophobic, I have a ton of gay ships I like, including many in HYV games (heck, the first main arc in HSR is a massive advert for Bronseele). I just think there's more going on here than *just* "girl meets girl and gets traumatized", but that's just my take and those of others I know who are really into the lore. I wish there were more people aware of that instead of immediately jumping to the "homophobe" accusation (though obviously - and sadly - there ARE homophobes in the audience).
Also, the elephant in the room, while everyone's free to ship Acheswan (as E says, there is an audience for couples always clashing or fundamentally opposed in some way), I'm REALLY curious how those shippers will react once they learn Frebass is a thing (Acheron's implied girlfriend from well before she came to Penacony). I for one am REALLY eager to learn more about her.
Personally, I don't ship them yet because of lore reasons too...and also because Acheron is still Raiden Mei/Raiden Shogun from HI3 and Genshin respectively. And we already know damn well that she has practically been canonically shipped with someone else...namely Yae Sakura/Yae Miko. So I'm waiting for the Yae character in HSR to be introduced (which they have a history of doing) because that's definitely the one that is canon lol.
Black swan does only want her memories, but in the video it made the shippers (me xD) fumble because that gives way to a dynamic
@@coolstraw7682 I mean, what better way to get into your partner's mind than with a little flirting?? 🤣
@@evapunk522 EXACTLY
I agree and I hope Ache wins against boothill or talks it out
I personally don't ship them, but I absolutely see the reasons why people do and support my friends that do! And I love the homosexual tension and representation!
When it comes to lgbtq relationships, they are held to an absolute perfect standard, and if there's anything that could suggest they aren't perfect people who are perfect for eachother, they cannot be valid or are bad rep and must be scrutinized which is never the case for straight ships. It's so irritating.
I remember watching the 2.1 livestream when a short segment of this animation was first teased. The entire chat was exploding with people being like "OMG they're f*cking"
It's nice to know that, generally speaking, the majority of fans seem to know what's up.
Can’t wait for you to get into the queer coding with renheng 😭‼️‼️
The thing that really frustrates me when people deny gay ships and its representation is the hypocrisy that comes along with it.
There is little to no care about "toxicity", "canon", "misinformation" or anything analogous to that when it comes to straight ships. Instead, those words only appear to gay ships so they can circumvent their homophobia and rationalize it.
If its gay then shippers should stop shipping everyone for no reason!
It its straight, its "people will ship whoever 🤷"
“I’m gonna break a wall”, I’m sick of you😂😂😂. Let’s stop staying “They are good friends”, they are so gay!! Let them be gay!
It's crazy how Black Swan and Acheron can have intimate tango in HD and fruity ass voicelines on each other and Blade and Dan Heng's backstories are so intertwined they're literally married and fated to reunite but if they stand in the same room as someone of the opposite sex, the dudebro crowd screams canon. When will queer pairings be accepted without needing to justify why?
@kaguya5004_swow, even among our own community there'll be people like you trying to say "oh ho ho, but this ship is classy, this other ship is not valid because it probably won't be canon. If you want to be a true classy shipper ship what I like, not this one." Get off your high horse. You're just mad this universe's Mei is getting shipped with someone other than Kiana lmao.
oh wait renheng are like soulmates? i figured it was something like reincarnated lovers reuniting but that gives me some more context to the ship. i personally dont vibe with it (dan hengs storyline to me is more like i am reincarnated but i am not dan feng. although i guess blades whole thing is also a bit distanced from his past life because of the mara too.) but i can definitely see the appeal of the reincarnation trope that they have (and also their whole sort of haunt/hunting each other thing). it just never clicked for me here.
@@owo4983they both have so many couple items on their character design.. Jade items/matching bracer from blade relic lore etc when they could have easily thrown it away if they don’t care about it anymore. if u read the lore blade action is just heavily influence by jingliu and Mara tbh (the phrase even come from her if u played her story quest)
Can you prove those Yinxing and Dan Feng stories being true, it could be same shit as Rex Incognito with the writer gassing up shit due to lack of knowledge
Acheswan only exists because Hoyo released a gay looking teaser with them dancing, their in game interactions show zero romantic tension between them and Acheron is also very vary of Black Swan lmao
I'm not sure if you were already aware of this or if anyone's mentioned it before, but, their english VAs (Arryn Zech and Allegra Clark) are both bi! Aside from Beidou, I'm not sure if Allegra has voiced any other sapphic or sapphic-coded characters, but Arryn is most notable for her role of Blake Belladonna in RWBY who is not only a canon bisexual but also in a canon sapphic relationship with her teammate Yang Xiao-Long. The two of them had confessed and shared on an on-screen kiss in the ninth season of the show and another on-screen kiss in the second Justice League collab movie! (if you're questioning why there was a JL collab, warner bros owns all rights to the RWBY ip due to the original company going under lmfao)
Hey! So as a person who’s consumed other media that Allegra Clark has been from, she voices a bisexual woman from fire emblem three houses! Just thought you’d like to know :)
@@Suited_Nat !! thank you for this knowledge omg
Heizous va is gay and paimons va is non binary too
on the topic of genshin impact, kayli mills who voices keqing is also non binary.
@@el1n3 omg they're just like me fr
!!SPOILERS FOR PENACONY PART 2!!!
The reveal that firefly is Sam was expected but also reads like a trans metaphor for me. She is born into one identity, a genetically engineered super soldier who is built for destruction and has a masculine persona. But her true self in the dreamscape is Firefly, a caring girl with a feminine persona. It definitely feels trans-coded to me, specifically the part where she talks about the dreamscape lets her be free of the constraints of her body and identity and just be herself.
Also fun fact: in Japanese, Sam uses watashi as their personal pronoun. It's a formal gender neutral pronoun, though someone as aggressive as Sam I expected to use the more masculine "ore". "Watashi" is surprisingly formal considering that they're literally trying to kill you, which gave me a hint that Sam's gender is more ambiguous.
This is actually pretty cool
this is rather interesting and cool.
Meh, i just thought that since Sam is a robot, artificially made, there would be no need to refer to Sam as either, as Sam is not really either
@@w1nther930 I thought she was a genetically engineered human? The armor she's wearing is just a suit, like Samus from Metroid basically
Damn robot have gender now? "The dreamscape lets her be free of the constraint of her body" yeah because she has a disease that slowly erase her from existence leaving her in a vegetable state and use Sam as a medical cabin and also as a war machine. Of course she is much happier to actually walk and feel everything around her using her own body and senses rather than an icy mechanical body as a life support.
Someone on the short commented,“There is a homosexual explanation to this", this is what they were talking about
E!?! ACHESWAN?! WERE SO BACK
This is not lesbian, this is transcending the sapphic to an entire new plane
how can you be homophobic playing star rail when its predecessor is literally just a bunch of girl kissers making us cry
Because Star Rail is a Different Game with Playable Male characters present while the Previous game, the fan base of H3RD will riot if they dare one playable male character.
Always love your analysis, great to see how you’re very respectful while presenting great points! Totally love AcherSwan (SparkleSwan too but you get the point), so I was very excited to see this video.
The homophobia it burns us!! It burns!
-Golem said calmly
The thing that’s even crazier about same sex couples in games is even if they look directly into the camera and declare they’re gay, people will still deny it or call it a fetish
I LOVE YOUR HAIR
"this ship is abusive so its bad" type of people have a high chance of also being the type of people that define dark romance as getting railed by your stalker on your dead mother's coffin (lookin at you booktok)
And don't forget the stalker must be a masked man that rides a motorcycle
@@nyahrahwho only ever shows his face to them because they’re “the only person he can trust”
@@LesbianKimDokja And her step brother.
fr and the same mfs who unironically liked ashley and andrew together
That or it's just straight up lolicons. Anyways, people throw around "abuse" frivolously and all it does is a disservice to those who are actually victims of abuse.
I LOVE how you explained everything in this video it made it really easy to understand
I honestly did not know about this drama with Acaswan
"If i keep logging on to twitter-" well that was you first mistake.
LMAO
If one of them was a man everyone and their mamas would be yelling abt how canon they are
If the only thing they change was making Black Swan male I still call bullshit because of the in game lore.....
not true at all been happening with every single one of their games for years. one of the prime examples is Otto and Kallen they literally tell you in the story that she fell for him but he was too blind to see it losing her but everyone was like boohooo simp otto simping for a lesbian
@@icemeluun1313what are you yapping about
if one of them was a man, every player would absolutely lose their mind thinking they been cucked
which is hoyo worst nighmare and that how they can only dance around same sex interaction
nah, not really.
Great video as always although I think the criticism about "fetishisation" isn't entirely ungrounded.
Ofcourse I would say there definitely hints towards both male and female gay ships in HSR and Genshin but the female ones are quite a bit more overt.
There are multiple female NPCs in both Genshin and HSR which have a pretty explicit interest in other women but I have yet too see a single male one in the same vain apart from MAYBE the two guys in Yoimiya story quest. Jeht only has interest in Lumine and I don't think we will ever see Aether get a male counterpart.
If feels as though for ships like BronyaxSeele and BeidouxNingguang they are alot more out in the open rather than ones like XingqiuxChongun or BladexDanHeng where you have to peer deeper into their lore to truly get a taste. (Although I do feel like that is becoming less the case with AlhaithamxKaveh and AventurinexRatio)
You joked about who greenlit this short and I was asking the same question because I am CERTAIN if these were two male chars this would've never been.
Now I don't think Hoyo themselevs are necassarily are fetishistic but that they know their majoritly male playerbase would be much more okay or like you've shown, prone to dissmissing it, with two hot women dancing and flirting than two hot men.
My jaw dropped and my heart was beating fr when I saw that video in the best ways possible and then it changed and I felt jumpscared in the other best way possible (THE TEAM JOINING VOICELINES ✋😭💜) I wanted to say something to add to the conversation but I feel like you said everything I wanted to say 🙇♀️
4:12 At this point I think homophobes will see two women kissing and be like: such great friends
Because they hella delulu lol
I too couldnt believe they were allowed to publish this pv ._.'''' i hope they're gonna be ok
one thing i wanna say is that acheron's en va, allegra clark ships this and also ningguan and beidou (voice of beidou too) and shes so enthusiastic about acheron. i recommend watching mina aoyama pull e6 acheron because allegra is there too and is a total menace about it. another one is molly zang's (en va of seele) group reaction to the 2.1 livestream because she drops the phrase "you know what, im happy i get to be gods favorite princess okay?" about how op acheron is. also her twitter is iconic. honestly a lot of the en cast are really in tune with the fandom and the ships. even if you dont play en theyre worth checking out. both aventurine and robin's vas have started getting into streaming and there's a lot of collaboration among vas in group streams for certain events or games. this applies to genshin too as theres many for that.
Allegra is an openly bisexual woman as well and I think she seems to get typecasted quite a bit as queer or queer-coded characters.
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