Back in the 1950s Hot Rod magazine included a story of Navy Reservists shooting their cars off a carrier deck and into the ocean with no recovery plan!😮
Great video! And for me - the best story was about that Cessna. They sink some military helicopters to rescue a man, his wife and kids... I'm speechless!
You used the wrong picture for Lt. James Flatley. The picture you showed was that of his father James Flatley Jr, who was a WW2 ace (amongst other achievements). His son, James Flatley III was the one who landed the Hercules on that aircraft carrier. Other than that "correction", very nicely done indeed!
Good catch. They do resemble one another. Adm. (ret.) James H. Flatley III was our CO on the USS Saratoga in 1980. He was the best CO I ever served under. When he retired, he had over 1,600 arrested landings.
What a great episode! New viewer to the Channel. I was thrilled to see the C-130 carrier footage. In Vietnam I rode in C-130's & C-47's. Impressed with both. Thank you for rekindling the good memories of RVN.
It always amazes me how quickly Naval Aviation advanced. During WWI, experiments were conducted on launching aircraft from makeshift flight decks fitted or replacing aft turrets on battleships or heavy cruisers. This was actually dropped in favor of a steam catapult that warships could use to launch a single float plane for observation, CAP, or anti-submarine duties. The first 'Aircraft Carriers' were, like the USS Ranger, the Soviet Komsomolets, were carriers built from civilian ships or training vessels while vessels like the Japanese Hosho and British Hermes were vessels that started out as battlecruisers but were converted to carriers under the conditions of the Washington Naval Treaty that limited the size, weight, and number of warships in any one nation's Navy. Carriers, being a new concept, were not listed in the Treaty so they could be built as big, heavy or as numerous as a nation needed. It wasn't until the 1930s that the first true purpose-built aircraft carriers were built. Even then, naval aviation was primitive. Planes didn't have catapults so a long run-up from the fantail, past the island, up to the bow was needed. The carrier also needed significant speed and a tailwind to get its planes in the air. I knew of the Doolittle Raid, obviously, and the C-130 and Cessna but the others I was unaware of. Great informative video, well worth a like and Subscribe.
Apparent wind over the deck is the sum of the boat speed and any headwind. The carrier points into the wind. A tailwind decreases apparent wind at take off and increases ground speed making landing more difficult.
"Look Ma, no hook" Major Buang-Ly's Bird Dog is at the National Naval Aviation Museum at Naval Air Station Pensacola, Florida. I didn't know Shooters were Flight Officers... it makes perfect sense to have someone with flight experience to ensure that everything is in order.
I've never seen this video before.. Crazy. Did anyone notice the art on the nose of the C-130? "Look Ma, No Hook" 6:55 That's nuts.. he's landing on the carrier, stopping, and without moving takes off again and still leaves tons of flight deck! He's also landing so smooth the wings are not bouncing.. But... this is also a test pilot/top pilot in controlled situations. Can it be done.. yes.. can it be done all the time safely.. no. Chambers is a hero for making the call to ditch millions of dollars worth of helicopters pushed into the sea so Buang and his family could land! He'd only been in command of the ship a couple weeks and thought he would be courts marshaled for it but he did the brave thing, the right thing.
One small nitpicky point. The broomstick "gun" was in the tail cone in order discourage to discourage Japanese aircraft from attacking the B-25s from the rear. In the B-25b, the version that was used in the Doolittle raid, there was no tail gunner position. With the exception of the removal of the bottom gun turret the planes retained the rest of the complement of defensive armament of 50 caliber machine guns, which remained in the top or dorsal turret position and hand mounted by the bombardier in the nose at the bombardier's station.
5:03 Technically the test aircraft was a KC-130 tanker version of the Hercules. But it's the same basic aircraft. The tests would have been conducted with a WIND speed of 10-20 knots, PLUS the carrier's own speed of 30+ knots adding to the EFFECTIVE wind speed.
3:34 If the tests were on Kitty Hawk, why is this takeoff being shown on USS Ranger? Apparently it should have been shown later in the appropriate part of the video.
The video said that the program began on the Kitty Hawk, and then ended with the Ranger. It stands to reason that the only video available from that era was from the Ranger.
That’s a very interesting question. I’d say the main issue here is the landing gear and the airframe which are not designed to absorb the energy during such violent touchdown. But in theory a very skilled pilot could fly a really flat path to not knock the landing gear and aim right into the barricade
No chance Paddles (as we used tosay on the boat 😎). They would be directed to come along side and eject and the plane gaurd helo would fish em out of the drink.
BURBANK - My pops was working for Los Angeles Airways delivering mail, the crew landed at Burbank and Pops went to relieve him self stepping through a hangar door he was detained by the military for a short time... Mail had to get along
USAF pilots can't do Navy landings, that's why they couldn't land on a carrier. Flying into the deck is alien to USAF where they flare to land. That's why Navy planes don't have fragile USAF landing gear.
The Navy wanting a bomber looked at a Boeing 727. They tried it taking off and landing on a land based runway with the length of an aircraft carrier. It was able take off and land within the aircraft carrier length of deck. Nothing came of it, but it was a good attempt at an aircraft bomber.
not a carrier operation at all. But the best thing that ever happened in my opinion was a B52 Stratofortress low fly-by near a carrier during an exercise. The ships CO even had to be told by the pilots to look DOWN to see the plane.
@@x-planed In 1989, American pilots performed what was probably the most spectacular flyby by long-range bombers. During the Cold War, Russian aircraft repeatedly attempted to scout and photograph American ships. As a result, the U.S. launched an exercise in which B-52 bombers played the role of the Russians and tried to scout the aircraft carrier. The latter, in turn, was to detect the threat in time and dispatch interceptors. Once the bombers spotted the carrier, they bragged about it and asked permission for a flyby. The air traffic controller on board said he couldn't spot them anywhere, but the pilots radioed back that he should look down. At an incredibly low altitude, the B-52s sped past the carrier, so low that they even disappeared below the flight deck. The pilots had practiced low-level flights for years in order to fly undetected under Soviet radar, and now they showed what they were capable of. When asked if they should come around again, all the sailors enthusiastically answered "yes" and this time everyone had their cameras pulled out, creating unique pictures
I was an aircraft mechanic on B-52s from 1977 to 1981, I was in the flying mechanic program so sometimes I would fly along. My favorite seat was the instructor pilot seat between and slightly to the rear of the two pilots. It would have been SO COOL to have flown along on a low level flight past a carrier!
The Neptune was a bit faster than the B-29 (363 mph over the 357 for the B-29), but the service ceiling was a lot lower (22,400 vs. 31,850) The technique for out running an atomic explosion was to drop the bomb, and then dive, adding the extra G's to the plane's airspeed. Not sure how that was going to work with the Neptune.
Very good video with good content but you need to check your English translation more thoroughly : Although easy to understand & clearly delivered, it's peppered with small spelling & grammatical errors. 'Move' for instance is not spelt 'Mouve'. A quick run-through any English language spelling & grammar checker would have spotted your mistakes & certainly would have been worth the effort to do when compared to the amount of research you'd done research & the care taken over the visuals. No criticism intended, just trying help.
It is a problem with many RUclips videos ; my hunch is that this is an automatic system. It would be useful if RUclips made available a function for viewers to make corrections to the text, these corrections being vetted by the issuer of the video.
@@kenkahre9262 B-25’s for the Doolittle Raid weren’t modified. Later ones were fitted with tail hooks in preparation for the November 1945 invasion of Japan. This was tested on the USS Shangri La on November 15, 1944.
The U.S. Navy after WW2 was desperate to stay relevant in the Nuclear Age. Those "Little Boy" bombs were not then outdated so much as very expensive to build using highly enriched uranium 235 compared to the less costly plutonium explosive compression "Fat Man" bombs. Now the Navy has the most credible U.S. strategic deterrent. I'm reasonably certain that a well known Lockheed test pilot made the first carrier landings and takeoffs with a C-130. The appellation "Dragon Lady" usually refers to the "Big Wing" U-2, i.e., U-2R, TR-1A, U-2S, etc. The carrier experiments were done with the earlier small wing U-2. The U-2G was a modified U-2C. Cringe every time I see that film of the helos pushed overboard. It's a carrier task force! They had every practical means for rescuing pax and crew from a ditched aircraft. Hope whomever made that choice paid for it.
The Fat Man implosion design used 1/10th as much fissile material as the Little Boy gun design. That made the far more complicated implosion design the go to design.
Those didn't belong to the Navy. They were South Viet Namese Army flown in by refugees. And as it was pointed out, they were in the way. They would have been tossed eventually.
Shooting boots off the flight deck. I LOVE IT!!
Thanks You Mate😉
Back in the 1950s Hot Rod magazine included a story of Navy Reservists shooting their cars off a carrier deck and into the ocean with no recovery plan!😮
I met Deke Hall who did some of the U-2 carrier traps. He had no shortage of wild stories.
I also knew Deke Hall, when I was a kid. Jim Barnes and Al Rand flew the two missions on operation Fish Hawk.
Great video Brother. I don’t know what you do outside RUclips but research and presentation is your calling. Please keep it up!!!!!
Great video! And for me - the best story was about that Cessna. They sink some military helicopters to rescue a man, his wife and kids... I'm speechless!
DarMor, agree, & you have to BELIEVE that this S-Vietnamese aviator was a very good stick in his day!
You forgot the launch of a peugeot 205
That Cessna is @ the Naval Aviation Museum in P’cola
@@jamessimms415Correct another O-1 was painted up as his plane for display on the USS Midway museum in San Diego
USA forever!
Royal Navy Sea Harrier that took off from the carrier but landed on a cargo ship st sea.
That was a kick ass airplane... with a wectoring system invented by a french...
What a cool story with the boots! Great video👏
Saw it on the "Indy", CV-62.
@ 11:16 the South Vietnamese were NOT fugitives, they were our Allies
They were fugitives at that time as South Vietnam had suddenly ceased to exsist...
Refugees is the better term.
Perspective?
Maybe to hia country his accent is good indicator english isn't his first language
Cool! I never heard about the U-2's. Thanks!
Look Ma, No hook.
You used the wrong picture for Lt. James Flatley. The picture you showed was that of his father James Flatley Jr, who was a WW2 ace (amongst other achievements). His son, James Flatley III was the one who landed the Hercules on that aircraft carrier. Other than that "correction", very nicely done indeed!
Thanks for the head up😉
Good catch. They do resemble one another. Adm. (ret.) James H. Flatley III was our CO on the USS Saratoga in 1980. He was the best CO I ever served under. When he retired, he had over 1,600 arrested landings.
What a great episode! New viewer to the Channel. I was thrilled to see the C-130 carrier footage. In Vietnam I rode in C-130's & C-47's. Impressed with both. Thank you for rekindling the good memories of RVN.
Nice job! Fun video with a few surprises I didn’t know. Thank you
The C130 was the best landing and take off
Along w/the South Vietnamese Cessna, that C-130 is @ the Naval Aviation Museum in P’cola
The pilot of that C-130 was our CO on the USS Saratoga in 1980.
I think the picture of Lt. Flatley, is that of his father, who was a noted pilot of WW2.
It always amazes me how quickly Naval Aviation advanced. During WWI, experiments were conducted on launching aircraft from makeshift flight decks fitted or replacing aft turrets on battleships or heavy cruisers. This was actually dropped in favor of a steam catapult that warships could use to launch a single float plane for observation, CAP, or anti-submarine duties.
The first 'Aircraft Carriers' were, like the USS Ranger, the Soviet Komsomolets, were carriers built from civilian ships or training vessels while vessels like the Japanese Hosho and British Hermes were vessels that started out as battlecruisers but were converted to carriers under the conditions of the Washington Naval Treaty that limited the size, weight, and number of warships in any one nation's Navy. Carriers, being a new concept, were not listed in the Treaty so they could be built as big, heavy or as numerous as a nation needed.
It wasn't until the 1930s that the first true purpose-built aircraft carriers were built. Even then, naval aviation was primitive. Planes didn't have catapults so a long run-up from the fantail, past the island, up to the bow was needed. The carrier also needed significant speed and a tailwind to get its planes in the air.
I knew of the Doolittle Raid, obviously, and the C-130 and Cessna but the others I was unaware of. Great informative video, well worth a like and Subscribe.
Wow thanks for this comment. Appreciate it😉
Apparent wind over the deck is the sum of the boat speed and any headwind. The carrier points into the wind. A tailwind decreases apparent wind at take off and increases ground speed making landing more difficult.
My youngest kid was a shooter aboard Nimitz, and they launched her boots when she left.
Please thank her for her service. My condolences for her boots.
Did a Med float on the Nimitz back in ‘78. She was a good ship.
What aircraft community did she fly in? What were her fleet squadrons?
Wow, i had never heard of the Bird Dog incident...and frankly it was emotional to hear this tale! 🇬🇧
"Look Ma, no hook"
Major Buang-Ly's Bird Dog is at the National Naval Aviation Museum at Naval Air Station Pensacola, Florida.
I didn't know Shooters were Flight Officers... it makes perfect sense to have someone with flight experience to ensure that everything is in order.
I've never seen this video before.. Crazy. Did anyone notice the art on the nose of the C-130? "Look Ma, No Hook" 6:55 That's nuts.. he's landing on the carrier, stopping, and without moving takes off again and still leaves tons of flight deck! He's also landing so smooth the wings are not bouncing..
But... this is also a test pilot/top pilot in controlled situations. Can it be done.. yes.. can it be done all the time safely.. no.
Chambers is a hero for making the call to ditch millions of dollars worth of helicopters pushed into the sea so Buang and his family could land! He'd only been in command of the ship a couple weeks and thought he would be courts marshaled for it but he did the brave thing, the right thing.
Really good videos you got. Keep it up and you will get a lot of followers…
Thanks Mate. Appreciate it😉
This is a great video. Lots of details I was unaware of. Thanks!
Never knew about the U-2!
First time I've heard of the boots launch of retiring shooters. Damn cool thing to do!
Great work, you earned my subscription!
One small nitpicky point. The broomstick "gun" was in the tail cone in order discourage to discourage Japanese aircraft from attacking the B-25s from the rear. In the B-25b, the version that was used in the Doolittle raid, there was no tail gunner position. With the exception of the removal of the bottom gun turret the planes retained the rest of the complement of defensive armament of 50 caliber machine guns, which remained in the top or dorsal turret position and hand mounted by the bombardier in the nose at the bombardier's station.
I read years ago, that the tail gun was mounted on a spring to cause the bullets to spread in a cone.
Would look cool with all tracer
✌️🍀
5:03
Technically the test aircraft was a KC-130 tanker version of the Hercules. But it's the same basic aircraft.
The tests would have been conducted with a WIND speed of 10-20 knots, PLUS the carrier's own speed of 30+ knots adding to the EFFECTIVE wind speed.
C130 - great airplane!
The pilot who flew that C-130 on and off of the USS Forrestal was my Commanding Officer on the USS Saratoga in 1980. He's now a retired Admiral.
3:34
If the tests were on Kitty Hawk, why is this takeoff being shown on USS Ranger?
Apparently it should have been shown later in the appropriate part of the video.
The video said that the program began on the Kitty Hawk, and then ended with the Ranger. It stands to reason that the only video available from that era was from the Ranger.
Amazing videos, i love it!.
Question: Would a us aircraft carrier allow an emergency [barricade] landing of a Eurofighter or F16? Or would the pilot have to eject?
That’s a very interesting question. I’d say the main issue here is the landing gear and the airframe which are not designed to absorb the energy during such violent touchdown. But in theory a very skilled pilot could fly a really flat path to not knock the landing gear and aim right into the barricade
No chance Paddles (as we used tosay on the boat 😎). They would be directed to come along side and eject and the plane gaurd helo would fish em out of the drink.
We launched OV-10 Broncos from CVN-71 in the 90's.
Such an underrated little aircraft!
USMC OV-10 Broncos were routinely operated from US Navy LPHs/LPDs as late as the 1st Gulf War. They didn't need catapults or arresting gear.
The Russians used that last Dolittle B-25 in WW2. It was undergoing maintenance in the early 50s and the hangar unfortunately burned down.
The name Flatley rings a bell with me. WW2 ace and MOH winner IIRC
That was the C-130 pilots father.
I bet the US Navy had no problems shoving those US Army helicopters off their deck. I bet those sailors gleefully jumped to it.
What about the time they launched a captured V-2 from the FDR?
The L-19 was saved, and it is in a museum today.
BURBANK - My pops was working for Los Angeles Airways delivering mail, the crew landed at Burbank and Pops went to relieve him self stepping through a hangar door he was detained by the military for a short time... Mail had to get along
USAF pilots can't do Navy landings, that's why they couldn't land on a carrier. Flying into the deck is alien to USAF where they flare to land. That's why Navy planes don't have fragile USAF landing gear.
Usaf pilots don't need a ship to get to the other side of the world... or to space...
Very Good Video! 😮😮😮
Excellent video!!
Discovered this channel just recently - hope you post some now stuff.
Are you from eastern Europe?
Middle Europe I’d say😉
Tbey also launched P-47s to land on occupied airships.
The Navy wanting a bomber looked at a Boeing 727. They tried it taking off and landing on a land based runway with the length of an aircraft carrier. It was able take off and land within the aircraft carrier length of deck. Nothing came of it, but it was a good attempt at an aircraft bomber.
Great content! 👍 👍
not a carrier operation at all. But the best thing that ever happened in my opinion was a B52 Stratofortress low fly-by near a carrier during an exercise. The ships CO even had to be told by the pilots to look DOWN to see the plane.
Could You tell something more about this event?
@@x-planed
In 1989, American pilots performed what was probably the most spectacular flyby by long-range bombers.
During the Cold War, Russian aircraft repeatedly attempted to scout and photograph American ships. As a result, the U.S. launched an exercise in which B-52 bombers played the role of the Russians and tried to scout the aircraft carrier. The latter, in turn, was to detect the threat in time and dispatch interceptors. Once the bombers spotted the carrier, they bragged about it and asked permission for a flyby.
The air traffic controller on board said he couldn't spot them anywhere, but the pilots radioed back that he should look down. At an incredibly low altitude, the B-52s sped past the carrier, so low that they even disappeared below the flight deck. The pilots had practiced low-level flights for years in order to fly undetected under Soviet radar, and now they showed what they were capable of. When asked if they should come around again, all the sailors enthusiastically answered "yes" and this time everyone had their cameras pulled out, creating unique pictures
@@raikbarczynski6582sounds like there should be plenty of such videos/photos. Or at least some?
@@muriwatch. There are pictures taken from a helicopter
I was an aircraft mechanic on B-52s from 1977 to 1981, I was in the flying mechanic program so sometimes I would fly along. My favorite seat was the instructor pilot seat between and slightly to the rear of the two pilots. It would have been SO COOL to have flown along on a low level flight past a carrier!
IIRC 1992 the USS Ranger re-enacted the the Dolittle raid launch with a B-25J
The later landing of the B-25 on an aircraft carrier was more spectacular…
The people escaping from the Republican of Vietnam were NOT fugitives.
Interesting!
Airships
V-2 rockets
C-130
OV-10
U-2 (over multiple decades)
B-25 (on about 5 different occasions)
DeHavilland Mosquito
Rubber Landing Deck
P-39
P-40
P-47
P-51
Vampire (first jet)
F-111
Bird Dog
.......
Did the Neptune had enough speed and altitude to escape a nuclear blast?
The Neptune was a bit faster than the B-29 (363 mph over the 357 for the B-29), but the service ceiling was a lot lower (22,400 vs. 31,850) The technique for out running an atomic explosion was to drop the bomb, and then dive, adding the extra G's to the plane's airspeed. Not sure how that was going to work with the Neptune.
Hahahahahaha NO hahahahahaha
They weren't called Shooter when I was in. They were the Cat Officer.
Still offically called Cat Officers. Shooter is just just a popular nickname...
Very nice to see that since the first plane in the world ( 14-bis , made by Alberto Santos Dumont) the aviation quickly evolved.
Back in 1975 we had a airforce pilot fly with my squadron, so donot say that they didn't. His name was capt siera. 😗😗😗😗😗😗😗
His condition probably qualifies as "vaporized".
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Hercules is a very impressive bird!!
I remember when this happened.
The nose tube is properly pronounced "pete-toe"
Very good video with good content but you need to check your English translation more thoroughly : Although easy to understand & clearly delivered, it's peppered with small spelling & grammatical errors. 'Move' for instance is not spelt 'Mouve'. A quick run-through any English language spelling & grammar checker would have spotted your mistakes & certainly would have been worth the effort to do when compared to the amount of research you'd done research & the care taken over the visuals. No criticism intended, just trying help.
It is a problem with many RUclips videos ; my hunch is that this is an automatic system. It would be useful if RUclips made available a function for viewers to make corrections to the text, these corrections being vetted by the issuer of the video.
@@christianfournier6862 He sounded like a foreigner to me, someone to whom English is a second language.
"Operating From" and "Taking Off From" carriers are two VERY different things!! Clickbait!
The B-25 actually landed on a carrier (it was fitted with an arrestor hook).
@@allangibson8494 B-25s never landed on a carrier. And no, they were never fitted with an arrester hook. They were hoisted onto the decks with cranes.
@@kenkahre9262 B-25’s for the Doolittle Raid weren’t modified.
Later ones were fitted with tail hooks in preparation for the November 1945 invasion of Japan. This was tested on the USS Shangri La on November 15, 1944.
I never knew that during the Doolittle raids a 'Sheep' was destroyed in Tokyo harbour! 😁😆
The U.S. Navy after WW2 was desperate to stay relevant in the Nuclear Age. Those "Little Boy" bombs were not then outdated so much as very expensive to build using highly enriched uranium 235 compared to the less costly plutonium explosive compression "Fat Man" bombs. Now the Navy has the most credible U.S. strategic deterrent.
I'm reasonably certain that a well known Lockheed test pilot made the first carrier landings and takeoffs with a C-130.
The appellation "Dragon Lady" usually refers to the "Big Wing" U-2, i.e., U-2R, TR-1A, U-2S, etc. The carrier experiments were done with the earlier small wing U-2. The U-2G was a modified U-2C.
Cringe every time I see that film of the helos pushed overboard. It's a carrier task force! They had every practical means for rescuing pax and crew from a ditched aircraft. Hope whomever made that choice paid for it.
The Fat Man implosion design used 1/10th as much fissile material as the Little Boy gun design. That made the far more complicated implosion design the go to design.
Those didn't belong to the Navy. They were South Viet Namese Army flown in by refugees. And as it was pointed out, they were in the way. They would have been tossed eventually.
@@kenkahre9262 _All_ paid for by the U.S. taxpayers.
America's pilots should not be chemming Americans
Eric Brown. Just sayin’.
Are you from russia?
No, why?
@@x-planed just wondering about your accent no particular reason, forgive me if that was inapropriate
Russian accent is way different
Narration might be artificial, using TTS (text to speech). It pronounced "morale" as "more-alley".
Very American 🙂
The rescued people were refugees, not fugitives. Otherwise good on you.
It's spelled move not mouve. Also, saying fugitives is offensive to refuges.
Wow we're the refujitives
interesting except for the german AI voice duh
LoL it’s not German nor AI😂😂😂
@x-planed >>> Great video.
Subbed...👍
Thanks Mate😉
@@x-planed>>> You're Welcome.