If you are thinking of buying a hub, here are two that I recommend and have tested myself: Anker USB-C Hub: geni.us/machub Caldigit Thunderbolt 3 Dock: geni.us/thunderboltdock
Apple doesn't have USB-C ports, they have USB-4/Thunderbolt (note, there is no number assigned to Thunderbolt any more). Yes, it's a standards mess where some functions don't even have to work. Thanks Intel!
@@tonyburzio4107 old macbook and imac got thunderbolt 3 using usb c port interface, the m1 using thunderbolt 4 using usb - c interface. Normal laptop some using usb -c charging only and have 2.0 usb some using 3.2 .. it totally depend on icon at the right or top usb c
Since Macbooks have two thunderbolt type c port, I use one exclusively for charging the other exclusively for type c adapters. I think this is the best approach
I have been using M1 pro for two months and I never charge mine via hub(apple USB hub). I always use them separately. Just by my instinct. Glad they addressed the issue on time.
@@hawkeyeaerialphotography6652 me too, I never charge my m1 on the hub, I always charge on the laptop itself. idk why people just don't do that anyways.
@@addykantoor6327 some hubs use up both ports of the MacBook Pro/Air. And who would’ve known about this issue? Lol. Idk why you act like people can read into the future and know this would be a problem.
This happened to me on a 2015 MacBook with USB C Dock several years ago. I was using it with a USB Storage drive attached, wasn't charging through the dock, and heard a click and the laptop screen went blank. Took it to an independent Mac repair shop and they confirmed the logic board was dead.
late answer, but this is probably a dead U4700. It still is (one of) the signature failures of the 12" from 2015 and is not caused by anything but Apple's shit engineering. It's the sad truth. It's a 5$ component and a 20 minute solder job to fix it, but barely anyone is gonna tell you that...
I don't know about the M1 architecture, but on the 2016-2020 MBPs the circuits are designed in a way that if one fails, the other stops working too in most cases. I've never really seen a dead port by itself, it usually is the controller (like the CD3215) that fails and if it does, all the ports stop working. I might be wrong, but I think Apple implemented a similar design on the M1 Macs. At least the ones with 2 USB-C ports only.
I'm happy with my M1 MBPro and Anker hub... That said, this is what bothers me of Apple, they always spin/shift the blame unto others. Bad USB Hubs, but curiously it only affects them, not Win10 PC's.
@@rabidbou4336 I'm not gonna dispute any claim whatsoever of whoever made them. Every computer and/or accessory has their defective units. Even cpus have have cores that are defective and the list goes on. I'm just pointing that Apple always shift the blame, like "We're not holding out iPhones correctly" "Flash is Wrong for the User as it drains the battery"...
I totally feel you, except this time Apple has not blamed anyone, neither done an official statement -except from the software update which is a confession. But anyway I’ve pointed out that USB-C PD standard has been frying a lot of mobile phone few years back, and I would not be surprised it’s the same issue here. PD can provide up to 100W...
Why windows machines does not break with these usb hubs... -you holding it wrong, yeas apple dont take responsibility... Anyway how about warranty, did you got a replacement mac?
My M1 macbook air died in january because of an USB-C hub with power delivery (Aukey). The motherboard and touchID have been replaced... So, I bought the official apple USB-C hub, and no problem with it. Recently I updated to 11.2.2, but I did not retry my aukey usb-c hub because I'm scared to send my macbook again to the apple store x)
Frightening what can happen! Chance your device was still under warranty. Do you think such disaster could also happen from a simple USB 3 to Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (that also has 3 USB ports) which I use for cable connection and a LAN?
@@Ozzie4Para I dont like this dongle business ☹️..there are some rumours that they re going to bring more ports back in future macs...hope the rumours come true.
i stopped using usb hubs with macbooks since 2018 when i found that simply plugging in the hub would cut off the wifi- strangely putting the hub under the desk would not cause this problem- and this only occured with the macbook not the other pc laptops using the same hub!
The latest version of Big Sur was design to fix this issue. Which is really great cause it turns out it can be fixed through the software. I was afraid they were gonna have to do a mass recall.
Apple has passed not only the hardware on to the consumer but now also the liability. I did not even get a USB-C to HDMI adapter with my new MacBook Pro. wtf? My fault? I've carried a Apple/Mac laptop since 1991. 30 years and I haven't seen Apple so poorly as these days. Very disappointing.
@@AlbanianGladiator I fix macs for a living and I can argue against that..... i.e google staingate, flexgate, GPU failure.... slowing down iphone and I can go on and on :P
I am convinced it killed my first 2021 M1 13” MacBook Pro. I believe it is what killed the monitor, which went completely black and unusable. It was an (AUKEY USB C Hub 10-in-1 Type C Adapter) from Amazon. Apple replaced my M1 and I got a new one now that I have not used a hub with yet, as I am honestly terrified to, so I’m stuck with 2 USBC ports, with sometimes only 1 as power is using the other. There is also currently another issue where the battery is showing needing support, even with it being 100% functioning, that is caused according to Apple support by a recent Big Sur update bug. So the M1 is full of weird problems currently.
Oh my god, this is literally what happened to my new MacBook Air M1 while using a 40€ hub that I bought on amazon, my Mac stopped working so I brought it to the Apple store and they told me that the motherboard of my 2 weeks old MacBook had fried. The reparation was 800€ and now it works just fine. Thank you for explaining this. Good job.
@@TheEnzoachi Yes, at the Apple store they told me that the price of the parts they changed were 400€ and the price to actually fix the computer by changing the pieces was 400€ so I got the whole MacBook fixed for 800€ but it was free as I had just gotten it :)
Did this happen because you were charging the laptop through the hub instead of the actual laptop port or just because you were using it regularly for like pendrives and sd cards and such
@@kayleighgalea I was using it regularly, I only plugged my phone to download some music and pictures and then about 40 mins later my brand new MacBook air shut down for no reason and I couldn’t turn it back on
I have been using the Otolla 10port hub. It uses both usb c ports. I also use a charge through that plugs into the hub. I have not had any issues with either except occasionally a peripheral will turn off unexpectedly. That, I think, happens if the power draw exceeds the power available. I find the need for external hubs very important with the new M1 MacBook Pro, since it only has two usb c ports.
I owned an M1 MBA for one week and Apple already had to replace the USB-C ports in the laptop. For the record, i had never even used a USB-C hub on it at that point. Super duper.
I used a Anker Hub with my Intel MBP needless to say got these exact symptoms so went back to Apple on warranty where the main logic board was changed, the power button and even the screen! Very strange.
I just feel it crazy that many people view this hub or dongle thing as normal for a tool meant to just get things done. The dock station for the thinkpad seems legit but this small hub you have to carry around with you all the time ....
Thanks for the video. This has been a source of anxiety for me for the last weeks. Have had M1 MacBook Pro since end of January. While it works, I can actually replicated a spontaneous reboot by plugging both Anker 7 in 1 hub and the Apple VGA/USB-C adapter, connecting it to external drive. All of this on battery. When I eject the disk, unplug the hub and plug the power cable into the port the MacBook reboots within minutes. Not ok for a +€2000 machine. Wondering if anyone else has this?
So can you elaborate on the "spontaneous reboot by plugging both..." part? You were on battery power, plugged in the Anker hub, and then a VGA/USB-C adaptor to use an external drive? And after that it forced a reboot? First off, why use that cable? Oh you mean the USB-C VGA Multiport Adapter from Apple? Was it an off-brand?
I have had my hub since April of last year, and I used it on my 2018 iPad Pro all the time, and ive been using for the past few days and its still fine. I don't use it for charging, I use the hub for the usb A ports for my keyboard and mouse, and I use the HDMI ports and ethernet port. I use the second USB-C port to charge my MacBook Air M1
I had 4 external disks that won't start with 2 different Macbooks. I thought I was just unlucky with these disks, but now I can see that the only constant I had when working with both those Macs was the dongle. I have bought a different one and now everything is working great. So yes, I agree that some of these USB-C Hubs are not "Mac compatible".
Been using a Belkin USBC hub for the last couple of months with no issues at all on my M1 MacBook Pro. Have a 1440p monitor, webcam, external HDD and power plugged in and all work fine. Have now disconnected the power from the hub and plugged it into the other USBC port, still all working fine.
The point of this is odd. Yes its a small percentage but theres been a far larger group of people effected than with Intel macs. Anyone who is watching this need to understand that it does seem like mac os 11.2.2 did fix this issue.
@@blob4345 wouldn’t say any per say, but you wouldn’t have to get Apple specific, I believe something like anker/ugreen and similar good rep brands should be good
Confirming this, my 1 week old mbpro m1 literally just got black screen one time i used hub's usb c charging. Apple had to replace logic board and touchbar. Never tried it again ever since.
Not just devices with M1 chip, even 2019 version happened as well. In almost of the cases I found, it seems to happen whenever you're trying to use PD port on the hub. My last MBP M1 got bricked because of that. Btw, my hub is Hyperdrive 8-in-1
I had the hub (from AppleStore) going very hot in the 2018 Intel MacbookAir. I had a funny feeling about it and never used it with my M1 MacbookAir. I reasoned that if it burns my fingers with just a hard disk, the charging load will fry it completely. It does not feel right.
I'm guessing Apple didn't land their implementation of USB4. Simultaneous Data and Charging through the same port is a feature of the USB4 standard, in theory its not that different from thunderbolt3 but Apple went with their own engineering on the controller. I just hope the 14" has it all sorted, I need 3 external display support and am willing to spend good money for a portable workstation that can handle almost anything.
I just got the macbook pro 13 m1 2020, my first apple product ever. Watching videos like this makes me wonder what people mean when they say "it just works". Some say let the laptop sleep everyday, others say shut it down every week or so, and some also say you should shut it down everyday. Some say dont keep it plugged in, others swear that if you keep it plugged in it will ruin the battery. Some say charge in burst others say charge only from 20% to 80%. Some say don't use a keyboard and camera cover cause it could ruin the screen, others say that their kids have stood on top of their macbook and it's still fine. Some say that apple products are virus free, others say don't download third party apps. I'm confused and scared.
@@bcspreliminary5350 after being overwhelmed by the many many MANY "advices" on how to use the macbook. I decided to just go about my day without thinking it too much. I rarely let my macbook's battery lower than 20%. I often charge it in burst from 20-100. But sometmes i also charge it from around 60-100. I let it sleep from one day to the next and usually i just shut it down once a week. I think the battery is still fine, but i can't get the expected 20 hours of battery life though with my use case. I only get around 8 maybe? Maybe it's because i always plug it to an external display tho
Just enjoy your device man. Its like googling diseases. Ive used my macbooks the way i wanted for years, my oldest one is 11y old and still works (although battery is weak now). I mean all the millions of people who bought a macbook and who are NOT here says it all right.
I would NEVER charge any type of device thorugh a hub, that's just my thing. And never had a problem, and don't think i'll ever have. Just use the other port and don't buy that 2 port hubs.
I plugged my charger directly into my type C hub that is connected to my macbook pro m1 for almost 7 months now and still works fine. Btw I bought it for almost $38.
To be fair….Mac can finish the job (for the low, low price of $200…after purchasing an already $2,300 MBP). Not that I’m not holding a grudge or anything.😶
My first M1 MacBook Pro logic died just 3 weeks after use, then the replacement machine, the camera died and I actually asked for a refund, first time in my life I’ve asked for a refund from apple ever. So 2 M1 MacBook Pro’s down, I have desperately been looking for a replacement, but the recent iMac launch was underwhelming and I suspect I’ll be headed back for my 3rd Mi MacBook Pro, fingers crossed,three times is a charm.
Yeah, I'm not sure that's the definition of confirmation bias. From my understanding it's an individual seeking out evidence for their pet theory or belief. If someone had this happen to their Mac, they would likely want to complain and warn other users as they are honest and caring individuals. I get your point, though. The issue seems over hyped. Maybe it's due click bait titles, negative news travels fast etc.
Strange that you directly say that it are bad hubs. Maybe bad macs? Those hubs work fine on other devices. And even if hub, the usb c port should be protected. And it is the device not hub that request pd power voltage/amp not the other way
my ANKER USB c hub, without my MacBook M1 being connected to the charger, shocked me. as in, very static shocks throughout the hub and the laptop. shocks you feel shooting up your entire arm
There’s a software update for this. Big Sur 12.2 not sure tho but there’s articles popping around they got it fixed with the recent update. I think it was pcmag who posted it
Mine did, I think it was from Anker, but only when connecting the charger through the hub. I sent the MacBook back to Apple and had to wait 4 weeks for the new MacBook to come.
Dear Sir, thank you for your video regrading USB C Docks. I have just purchased Baseus 6-1 Multi functional HUB. I have only started using this for the past week or so. I do have an old Hub which I have used on my old G4 Mac Tower for many years but decided to buy the Baseus only to see how well it performs. Let me know if that is safe as I have researched a fair bit about this brand and they have been positive.
@@alexhemman7123 i got the Baseus 8 in 1 about a week ago. So far so good with my mbp 2020 m1. It just gets a little warm. I am not sure if that’s an issue.
I think Mac Mini M1 will be fine as it does not use pass through charging. I would love a hub sized Mac SuperMini M1 that uses outboard power and is the size of a hub.
I've experienced a similar issue. I have a 2019 13" Macbook Pro (not M1), and purchased a CalDigit TS3 to go along with my two Dell monitors. Everything works fine until I shut down my Macbook. It wouldn't turn back on. Needless to say I was scared shitless. I was able to turn it on a bit later (after 10 mins?). The same problem would occur later: not being able to turn on after I shut down my Macbook, though it always turn back on after a short wait.
Fixed? Kinda. Apple probably turned something off that made USB-4 fast, but isn't really needed with USB-C. Of course, now the port isn't fast so it depends on what you mean by fixed.
*I’m 60 years old with an M1* (not that age matters but say that in case someone wants to comment something snarly because I’m not tech savvy). Any-who, I’m scare shit to use a hub on a recently purchased M1A. (I bought one thanks to the great info on this channel). However, I’ve been learning about this hub issues and watched many videos on it. I’m just overwhelmed. There’s so many options to buy too. Hope this nice community can assist me. You pro editors and computer/tech savvy folks out there *PLEASE HELP* *Here’s what I want to do* First of all, I got the M1A Mac this week but thinking about exchanging it to the pro because I literally watched a few videos on this channel and other good ones and realize the pro out beats the Air in some areas like editing, is that true? Aside from that dilemma, I need my Mac primarily for running 2-3 businesses so having multiple screen open is essential; RealEstateSoftware, Accounting Software, Editing Software, School Work. I will be Podcasting too. Additionally, I want to add parallels (to use it as Windows for school stuff or should I just buy Windows Office?) Now that you know my usage requirements-needs I’d like to know *what hub to buy* so I won’t experience any issues like many have had from reading the comments here. It is imperative that I do not go without my laptop for weeks so trying to prevent any issues to not have to deal with sending it to Apple for repair. I want to be very careful. What Hub are best, anyone? Side note: I notice in comments many are saying NOT to connect the laptop power cord to the hub to charge the laptop while also having other devices (mic, screens, etc) to the hub as well, is that right ? I’m not sure if I’m understanding this correctly. My apologies for lengthy comment and my several questions. For whoever read this far and can give me some honest guidance, *THANK YOU* !!!!!
"pro out beats the Air in some areas like editing, is that true?" Yes, the fan does a good job especially when editing and rendering. If your budget allows, a M1 MacBook Pro with 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD would be my recommendation if you will be doing a lot of editing. "I need my Mac primarily for running 2-3 businesses so having multiple screen open is essential" M1 MacBooks can only output to a single external display. You can still have two screens in use (the laptop screen and an external monitor) but no more. The M1 Mac Mini however can have more external displays. "Additionally, I want to add parallels (to use it as Windows for school stuff or should I just buy Windows Office?)" If you only need Microsoft Office programs (e.g. Word), no need for Parallels, just buy a Microsoft office subscription. "What Hub are best, anyone?" The two hubs I linked in the pinned comment on this video are my recommendation. I personally don't think you will have any issues, just make sure the software on your Mac is updated.
Wtf, I got an déjà vu at the moment you said ‘clicking noise. This was exactly what happens to my 13” 2017 MacBook Pro after using a Satechi USB hub. I heard * click click click * and everything went dark and never powered on again. Damage? 1.000 euro for a motherboard replacement. I’m still too scared to plug a usb hub into my m1 MacBook Pro....
Same thing happened to my 2020 MacBook Air after only owning it for a few months. Luckily - still had the one year manufacturer warranty. Now I’m paranoid when I connect it
The problem is simple. Low efficiency power delivery circuitry in these hubs leads to hot hubs that fail at current limiting, leading to, basically, short circuits. 🤷♂️
Indeed. Can you confirm than that I will have no issues using an OWC Disc writer (connecting with USB 2 to 3 adapter) charging from its own power source and an ethernet dongle in one of USB C port used only for router cable connection?
I actually have use 2 separate ones. A thunderbolt 3 echo on the right side and a thunderbolt 4 anger on the left side with tons of things hooked up to them never an issue. Did not know this
Thank you for this video. I am definitely battling with the confirmation bias because I am focusing too much on the negative comments. I really want to get the satechi slim usb-c multi port hub but still not sure about that brand.
I had my M1 MBP clam shelled and docked to an Anker USB-C hub thru PD for 9 weeks without issues. Not sure if my 100w usb-c power cable with the E-marker has anything to do with it, which is then powered by a hypper 100w usb-c charger. But I read somewhere, that constant plugging & unplugging of the hub PD from the laptops may also have contributed to the issues.
Most USB-C hubs/dongles are very questionable in quality. Sure some are really good, but not many. I agree I would not trust them to power my device in many cases. Thunderbolt Docks have better milage due to all the required certifications but they cost a lot more. I suppose you get what you pay for.
I remember reading these kind of problems when the first MacBooks with USB-C started appearing, and many blogs strongly recommended using a hub from a trusted brand.
I had a usb hub (not cheap) and I just got it a few hours ago and locked it when going to shower, then when I turned it on my Mac wouldn't turn on, you could hear the occasional boot sound though
Comments like this create more questions rather than clarifying the situation. Were you charging through the hub? How many devices were connect to the hub?
Its possible that mismatching AC adapters can cause problems. If you have too many devices you most likely have too many AC adapters and accidentally use the wrong adapter providing inadequate wattage.
Is this problem effectively fixed by now? I'm a new owner of one of these macs and really need to use a hub due to the need of the extra ports. But I'm afraid I'll break it.
Good to know. I had a similar issue with two Topping external DACs dying when connected to my old macbook via USB. I figured out there was some voltage/static differential between them both, and from then, only used a toslik connector for electrical isolation. Thats something else to consider.
I was just using a Belkin 4 port hub with passthrough charging on my M1 air. I had a power adapter connected, an audio interface and a webcam. I had a monitor hooked up to the spare USBC port on the mac. Both ports died suddenly while using garage band with OBS and FB messenger.
How come Apple never made a docking connector for their laptops? It would provide high current and data pass through. But it does kill the aesthetic...
I had the same issue ! My Mac book pro just stopped doing anything and I was using chines hub . It’s cost me 350 dollar and the person who repaired my Mac , said ‘’ the one of the components has dead . He have no idea why this happened. I am scare to use hubs after that and I believe it because of the cheap hub . But this is so unfair that they didn’t give USB port in Mac book .
Mine had a problem with a powerbank , and it was not a cheap one , I was using it since 1 year with my old macbook pro . Simply shut off completly and when rebooted webcam was dead and touch-bar had issues . It was fortunately replaced
I used a dongle that is very similar to what you showed in the video, I connected an external camera, network cable and screen via HDMI and rarely my Mac (Macbook pro m1) crashed and restarted (I think it happened to me 2-3 times during a zoom call)
Just last week I had my M1 MBA reboot (more than once) with a USB C to 4 port USB A and 2 HDD's attached. I pulled out a more expensive hub and there was no issue. Retired the cheap hubs immediately (UGreen I believe) I heard about the power pass through issue, so I never use that feature.
If you are thinking of buying a hub, here are two that I recommend and have tested myself:
Anker USB-C Hub: geni.us/machub
Caldigit Thunderbolt 3 Dock: geni.us/thunderboltdock
using pepper job usb c hub which sell in asp provider here. no bellkin or caldig. i got two surge proctector for my imac and m1.
Apple doesn't have USB-C ports, they have USB-4/Thunderbolt (note, there is no number assigned to Thunderbolt any more). Yes, it's a standards mess where some functions don't even have to work. Thanks Intel!
I’m glad you finally made a video, as I tweeted you long back in this issue. And with the OS update I feel confident to buy a dock now.
@@tonyburzio4107 old macbook and imac got thunderbolt 3 using usb c port interface, the m1 using thunderbolt 4 using usb - c interface. Normal laptop some using usb -c charging only and have 2.0 usb some using 3.2 .. it totally depend on icon at the right or top usb c
@@rebelsdeveloper367 could you pls share the links of your purchases
Since Macbooks have two thunderbolt type c port, I use one exclusively for charging the other exclusively for type c adapters. I think this is the best approach
I do so too. I think this is the better solution anyways!
@Senpai electrical stuff can't be touched by software, it not solved anything, apple just blunder on the new architecture just it , defect
@@devinminutes2040 kiddo
@@devinminutes2040 The issue was software based, not hardware based… I really don’t understand this comment.
@@devinminutes2040 Ever hear of firmware?
I have been using M1 pro for two months and I never charge mine via hub(apple USB hub). I always use them separately. Just by my instinct. Glad they addressed the issue on time.
Same here
@@hawkeyeaerialphotography6652 me too, I never charge my m1 on the hub, I always charge on the laptop itself. idk why people just don't do that anyways.
For real, completely agree. Seems weird to plug into the hub vs direct to computer. It just feels wrong.
@@addykantoor6327 some hubs use up both ports of the MacBook Pro/Air. And who would’ve known about this issue? Lol. Idk why you act like people can read into the future and know this would be a problem.
Exactly. And what's the point in charging over a hub vs direct in the notebook? It doesn't provide you an extra port..
This happened to me on a 2015 MacBook with USB C Dock several years ago. I was using it with a USB Storage drive attached, wasn't charging through the dock, and heard a click and the laptop screen went blank. Took it to an independent Mac repair shop and they confirmed the logic board was dead.
late answer, but this is probably a dead U4700. It still is (one of) the signature failures of the 12" from 2015 and is not caused by anything but Apple's shit engineering. It's the sad truth. It's a 5$ component and a 20 minute solder job to fix it, but barely anyone is gonna tell you that...
There are two ports, I use the one exclusively for power and the other for the hub (bluetooth mouse, hdmi, camera, ethernet etc.)
But that’s a good idea tho. Thanks for sharing (:
Only two usb-c? * Laughs in 14" MBP with 3 usb-c and a magsafe charging port 😂
exactly, why charge it using hubs anyway?
does hub hdmi work without charge ?
I don't know about the M1 architecture, but on the 2016-2020 MBPs the circuits are designed in a way that if one fails, the other stops working too in most cases. I've never really seen a dead port by itself, it usually is the controller (like the CD3215) that fails and if it does, all the ports stop working. I might be wrong, but I think Apple implemented a similar design on the M1 Macs. At least the ones with 2 USB-C ports only.
I'm happy with my M1 MBPro and Anker hub... That said, this is what bothers me of Apple, they always spin/shift the blame unto others. Bad USB Hubs, but curiously it only affects them, not Win10 PC's.
Louis Rossman provided proof other computer can be affected by this issue.
Bad usb cable also has been known to kill mobile devices few years back
@@rabidbou4336 I'm not gonna dispute any claim whatsoever of whoever made them. Every computer and/or accessory has their defective units. Even cpus have have cores that are defective and the list goes on. I'm just pointing that Apple always shift the blame, like "We're not holding out iPhones correctly" "Flash is Wrong for the User as it drains the battery"...
I totally feel you, except this time Apple has not blamed anyone, neither done an official statement -except from the software update which is a confession.
But anyway I’ve pointed out that USB-C PD standard has been frying a lot of mobile phone few years back, and I would not be surprised it’s the same issue here.
PD can provide up to 100W...
(Louis Rossman is a well known repair man -micro soldering, who is roasting apple on many occurrence BTW)
Why windows machines does not break with these usb hubs... -you holding it wrong, yeas apple dont take responsibility... Anyway how about warranty, did you got a replacement mac?
Almost three minutes in before I realized this video is two years old.
I am using a relatively cheap USB C hub from Portronics and I don't use it for charge through but to read a normal pendrive. I have faced no issue.
Again, thank you for keeping it short and to the point!
My M1 macbook air died in january because of an USB-C hub with power delivery (Aukey). The motherboard and touchID have been replaced... So, I bought the official apple USB-C hub, and no problem with it. Recently I updated to 11.2.2, but I did not retry my aukey usb-c hub because I'm scared to send my macbook again to the apple store x)
Frightening what can happen! Chance your device was still under warranty. Do you think such disaster could also happen from a simple USB 3 to Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (that also has 3 USB ports) which I use for cable connection and a LAN?
I've been using the Anker USB-C hub per your recommendation on one of your previous videos and it's been working fine. Zero problems so far....
How much did you pay for it?
@@RamMohammadJosephKaur it's the same one posted under the video description. It's like $60
@@Ozzie4Para I dont like this dongle business ☹️..there are some rumours that they re going to bring more ports back in future macs...hope the rumours come true.
@@RamMohammadJosephKaur unfortunately I need the dongle because I use a 28” monitor with my M1 MacBook Air.
i stopped using usb hubs with macbooks since 2018 when i found that simply plugging in the hub would cut off the wifi- strangely putting the hub under the desk would not cause this problem- and this only occured with the macbook not the other pc laptops using the same hub!
Hmmm that’s the solution then… to put the hub under the desk, interesting
@@SergioPerez-dq7oz weird huh? i dont know if its interference coming from the hub or what but i just dont bother with them anymore on macs
@@jub8891 it is so annoying. I am buying another hub I hope that works… what did you do or what brand of hub was the one that worked in your case?
The latest version of Big Sur was design to fix this issue. Which is really great cause it turns out it can be fixed through the software. I was afraid they were gonna have to do a mass recall.
so it was an apple bug
Means i can charge through usb c PD ? Now?
@@daxtercage8939 better not take risk
@@kyfa4966 tried already, so far no problem
@@daxtercage8939 i know it will work but better not take risk if the hardware/dongle goes failed
Apple has passed not only the hardware on to the consumer but now also the liability. I did not even get a USB-C to HDMI adapter with my new MacBook Pro. wtf? My fault? I've carried a Apple/Mac laptop since 1991. 30 years and I haven't seen Apple so poorly as these days. Very disappointing.
APPLE, put enough ports in, so we DON"T NEED HUBS you cheapskates!!
"a small number of cases" where have i read that before :P
on the apple site :D
Covid
basically everything that can go wrong,
cars, electronics, medication,
you name it, you'll see it
macs are better than pc
@@AlbanianGladiator I fix macs for a living and I can argue against that..... i.e google staingate, flexgate, GPU failure.... slowing down iphone and I can go on and on :P
I am convinced it killed my first 2021 M1 13” MacBook Pro. I believe it is what killed the monitor, which went completely black and unusable. It was an (AUKEY USB C Hub 10-in-1 Type C Adapter) from Amazon. Apple replaced my M1 and I got a new one now that I have not used a hub with yet, as I am honestly terrified to, so I’m stuck with 2 USBC ports, with sometimes only 1 as power is using the other. There is also currently another issue where the battery is showing needing support, even with it being 100% functioning, that is caused according to Apple support by a recent Big Sur update bug. So the M1 is full of weird problems currently.
Did you charge your MacBook through the hub?
Like 99% of people. What are you saying - 1 in a hundred M1 Macbooks fail? That would be a helluva failure rate.
1% to be precise, not that 1 in 100 wasn’t precise enough! 😄
Oh my god, this is literally what happened to my new MacBook Air M1 while using a 40€ hub that I bought on amazon, my Mac stopped working so I brought it to the Apple store and they told me that the motherboard of my 2 weeks old MacBook had fried. The reparation was 800€ and now it works just fine. Thank you for explaining this. Good job.
Did you fix it by 800€?
@@TheEnzoachi Yes, at the Apple store they told me that the price of the parts they changed were 400€ and the price to actually fix the computer by changing the pieces was 400€ so I got the whole MacBook fixed for 800€ but it was free as I had just gotten it :)
Did this happen because you were charging the laptop through the hub instead of the actual laptop port or just because you were using it regularly for like pendrives and sd cards and such
@@kayleighgalea I was using it regularly, I only plugged my phone to download some music and pictures and then about 40 mins later my brand new MacBook air shut down for no reason and I couldn’t turn it back on
@@sarratpwk huh, weird. Have you gotten another hub and worked with or have you disregarded them completely?
I have been using the Otolla 10port hub. It uses both usb c ports. I also use a charge through that plugs into the hub. I have not had any issues with either except occasionally a peripheral will turn off unexpectedly. That, I think, happens if the power draw exceeds the power available. I find the need for external hubs very important with the new M1 MacBook Pro, since it only has two usb c ports.
I owned an M1 MBA for one week and Apple already had to replace the USB-C ports in the laptop. For the record, i had never even used a USB-C hub on it at that point. Super duper.
I used a Anker Hub with my Intel MBP needless to say got these exact symptoms so went back to Apple on warranty where the main logic board was changed, the power button and even the screen! Very strange.
so, basically, everything...
Excellent ! thanks for recommend these USB-C like Anker. Almost bought a generic one.
I just feel it crazy that many people view this hub or dongle thing as normal for a tool meant to just get things done. The dock station for the thinkpad seems legit but this small hub you have to carry around with you all the time ....
true
It's kinda annoying carrying it even when just switching from office room to your Living room (I need it for HDMI and external storage)
@@HH-mf8qz Are you really complaining? 😂
Boy are you guys doomed with your life attitude.
Thanks for the video. This has been a source of anxiety for me for the last weeks. Have had M1 MacBook Pro since end of January. While it works, I can actually replicated a spontaneous reboot by plugging both Anker 7 in 1 hub and the Apple VGA/USB-C adapter, connecting it to external drive. All of this on battery. When I eject the disk, unplug the hub and plug the power cable into the port the MacBook reboots within minutes.
Not ok for a +€2000 machine. Wondering if anyone else has this?
So can you elaborate on the "spontaneous reboot by plugging both..." part? You were on battery power, plugged in the Anker hub, and then a VGA/USB-C adaptor to use an external drive? And after that it forced a reboot?
First off, why use that cable? Oh you mean the USB-C VGA Multiport Adapter from Apple? Was it an off-brand?
All thanks to you for helping me decide in buying the M1 Macbook Air and for all the awesome content!
You get it or not?
@@pepe1903 since you don’t recommend Mac, is there any notebook you think it’s good for software developers? i just started i.t college
I have had my hub since April of last year, and I used it on my 2018 iPad Pro all the time, and ive been using for the past few days and its still fine. I don't use it for charging, I use the hub for the usb A ports for my keyboard and mouse, and I use the HDMI ports and ethernet port. I use the second USB-C port to charge my MacBook Air M1
I suspect it is due to max charging wattage on USB hubs
So realistically if you use the ports for their intended usage such as pen-drives, SD cards, HDMI and so forth, it should be fine. ?
@@kayleighgalea yes
Perfect! That explains it. Thank you for your explicitly simplified explanation; it makes total sense. 👍
I had 4 external disks that won't start with 2 different Macbooks. I thought I was just unlucky with these disks, but now I can see that the only constant I had when working with both those Macs was the dongle. I have bought a different one and now everything is working great. So yes, I agree that some of these USB-C Hubs are not "Mac compatible".
What brands did you try?
thanks, I've purchased an Anker one just in case, I haven't had any issues but I have been using a cheap brand hub and noticed that it does heat up.
To me it’s weird that some people buy a MacBook, then pair them with a cheap USB hub.
@@sylviam6535 simple... Purchase new mac...Flat broke after! 😂💀
Krafty Kraftleson - I get it, but it feels like putting cheap petrol in a luxury car.
Been using a Belkin USBC hub for the last couple of months with no issues at all on my M1 MacBook Pro. Have a 1440p monitor, webcam, external HDD and power plugged in and all work fine. Have now disconnected the power from the hub and plugged it into the other USBC port, still all working fine.
Belkin is a good brand, I've never had issues with them and use multiple Belkin products!
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I've used Satechi hub and it was not issues at all. Now I have CalDigit TS3 Plus and totally satisfied.
The point of this is odd. Yes its a small percentage but theres been a far larger group of people effected than with Intel macs. Anyone who is watching this need to understand that it does seem like mac os 11.2.2 did fix this issue.
So, I can use any usb hub?
@@blob4345 wouldn’t say any per say, but you wouldn’t have to get Apple specific, I believe something like anker/ugreen and similar good rep brands should be good
@@tulindahiya7309 ight ty
Confirming this, my 1 week old mbpro m1 literally just got black screen one time i used hub's usb c charging. Apple had to replace logic board and touchbar. Never tried it again ever since.
What's the damage
@@bakamarimo7528 mine did the same, they will repair it under the 1 year warranty
@@niallwood thanks a lot for update.
which brand did u get?
@@jnhng7601 ZMUIPNG
Not just devices with M1 chip, even 2019 version happened as well. In almost of the cases I found, it seems to happen whenever you're trying to use PD port on the hub. My last MBP M1 got bricked because of that.
Btw, my hub is Hyperdrive 8-in-1
Whats pd hub
are you currently using hyperdrive? I just bought one for my new mba m1
Ahh damn. Was just looking to grab one of those Hyperdrive 7-in-2 Duo hub.
@@vissuuu69PD is USB Type-C Power Delivery
I had the hub (from AppleStore) going very hot in the 2018 Intel MacbookAir. I had a funny feeling about it and never used it with my M1 MacbookAir.
I reasoned that if it burns my fingers with just a hard disk, the charging load will fry it completely. It does not feel right.
I'm guessing Apple didn't land their implementation of USB4. Simultaneous Data and Charging through the same port is a feature of the USB4 standard, in theory its not that different from thunderbolt3 but Apple went with their own engineering on the controller.
I just hope the 14" has it all sorted, I need 3 external display support and am willing to spend good money for a portable workstation that can handle almost anything.
Hi, reading this 1 year later. How about it right now?
I just got the macbook pro 13 m1 2020, my first apple product ever. Watching videos like this makes me wonder what people mean when they say "it just works".
Some say let the laptop sleep everyday, others say shut it down every week or so, and some also say you should shut it down everyday. Some say dont keep it plugged in, others swear that if you keep it plugged in it will ruin the battery. Some say charge in burst others say charge only from 20% to 80%. Some say don't use a keyboard and camera cover cause it could ruin the screen, others say that their kids have stood on top of their macbook and it's still fine. Some say that apple products are virus free, others say don't download third party apps.
I'm confused and scared.
How is it going now?
@@bcspreliminary5350 after being overwhelmed by the many many MANY "advices" on how to use the macbook. I decided to just go about my day without thinking it too much. I rarely let my macbook's battery lower than 20%. I often charge it in burst from 20-100. But sometmes i also charge it from around 60-100. I let it sleep from one day to the next and usually i just shut it down once a week. I think the battery is still fine, but i can't get the expected 20 hours of battery life though with my use case. I only get around 8 maybe? Maybe it's because i always plug it to an external display tho
Just enjoy your device man. Its like googling diseases. Ive used my macbooks the way i wanted for years, my oldest one is 11y old and still works (although battery is weak now). I mean all the millions of people who bought a macbook and who are NOT here says it all right.
@@TheDerHeld true
I keep my battery level between 20-80%. That's what's recommended. There's even a video on battery usage habits on this channel.
I would NEVER charge any type of device thorugh a hub, that's just my thing. And never had a problem, and don't think i'll ever have. Just use the other port and don't buy that 2 port hubs.
yeah, pretty much. For cheaper devices like a bluetooth speaker or something, sure. A Macbook?!? F no. haha
I plugged my charger directly into my type C hub that is connected to my macbook pro m1 for almost 7 months now and still works fine. Btw I bought it for almost $38.
Is it still ok?
I just bought a MacBook air m1 and I'm afraid to use hub.
I miss the days when Apple would build in ports and you didn't need to rely on 3rd party sellers to finish the job.
or if Apple themselves would at least sell us the proper adapters. I mean they do sell adapters but not really what people need.
A hamburger with no ketchup already on.
@@PlymouthNeon fr $70 for 1 usb c 1 usb and 1 hdmi LOL
To be fair….Mac can finish the job (for the low, low price of $200…after purchasing an already $2,300 MBP).
Not that I’m not holding a grudge or anything.😶
0:06 This killed me😂
i don't get it
@@zeeshan3654 the joke he made about macbook usb hubs picking up assuant rifles and etc
My first M1 MacBook Pro logic died just 3 weeks after use, then the replacement machine, the camera died and I actually asked for a refund, first time in my life I’ve asked for a refund from apple ever. So 2 M1 MacBook Pro’s down, I have desperately been looking for a replacement, but the recent iMac launch was underwhelming and I suspect I’ll be headed back for my 3rd Mi MacBook Pro, fingers crossed,three times is a charm.
Yeah, I'm not sure that's the definition of confirmation bias. From my understanding it's an individual seeking out evidence for their pet theory or belief. If someone had this happen to their Mac, they would likely want to complain and warn other users as they are honest and caring individuals.
I get your point, though. The issue seems over hyped. Maybe it's due click bait titles, negative news travels fast etc.
M1 mac really grpw this channel, congratz on your 50k subs
80k now omg
What about satechi hub that you can find at apple website?
CalDigit has been great for me! Thank you for this thorough review.
I returned a macbook pro m1 just today. 2 USB-C ports is ridiculous and the touch bar can go to hell
Strange that you directly say that it are bad hubs. Maybe bad macs? Those hubs work fine on other devices. And even if hub, the usb c port should be protected.
And it is the device not hub that request pd power voltage/amp not the other way
I was using anker hub for my m1 MacBook Air for 3 years…and it’s perfectly fine. Nothing bad ever happened.
my ANKER USB c hub, without my MacBook M1 being connected to the charger, shocked me. as in, very static shocks throughout the hub and the laptop. shocks you feel shooting up your entire arm
Just do NEVER charge your mac through a Hub. It doen't matter the brand.
Better yet. Don't buy a Mac.
@@gwenwalravens8030 hahaha m1 hater
It’s almost common sense for me, I don’t know, but, in theory, this is possible?
@@vladimirbello147 It is possible to charge it, ( a little bit ) but I will overheat your battery and damage it's performance.
I'm using my 2021 MBP with an Anker 7-1, pass through charging. No problems thus far
There’s a software update for this. Big Sur 12.2 not sure tho but there’s articles popping around they got it fixed with the recent update. I think it was pcmag who posted it
Mine did, I think it was from Anker, but only when connecting the charger through the hub. I sent the MacBook back to Apple and had to wait 4 weeks for the new MacBook to come.
Dear Sir, thank you for your video regrading USB C Docks. I have just purchased Baseus 6-1 Multi functional HUB. I have only started using this for the past week or so. I do have an old Hub which I have used on my old G4 Mac Tower for many years but decided to buy the Baseus only to see how well it performs. Let me know if that is safe as I have researched a fair bit about this brand and they have been positive.
How is it going with Baseus USB C Hub?
I just purchased it as well and waiting to use it with my Macbook Air M1.
@@alexhemman7123 i got the Baseus 8 in 1 about a week ago. So far so good with my mbp 2020 m1. It just gets a little warm. I am not sure if that’s an issue.
@@danieladrian103 Good to hear that. My Baseus 5 in 1 working fine after 2 months.
Cheers!
@@alexhemman7123 hey I am planning to by the baseus hub, I wonder how is it going ?
@@sudeeris7294 Still working great. I rarely use it, but just used for Zoom Call with external Mic through an Audio interface yesterday.
Keeps getting better
I think Mac Mini M1 will be fine as it does not use pass through charging. I would love a hub sized Mac SuperMini M1 that uses outboard power and is the size of a hub.
I've experienced a similar issue. I have a 2019 13" Macbook Pro (not M1), and purchased a CalDigit TS3 to go along with my two Dell monitors. Everything works fine until I shut down my Macbook. It wouldn't turn back on. Needless to say I was scared shitless. I was able to turn it on a bit later (after 10 mins?). The same problem would occur later: not being able to turn on after I shut down my Macbook, though it always turn back on after a short wait.
Looks like this issue is set to be fixed in the next big sur update if you look at the release notes.
Ahh you said that later in video 😂
Fixed? Kinda. Apple probably turned something off that made USB-4 fast, but isn't really needed with USB-C. Of course, now the port isn't fast so it depends on what you mean by fixed.
@@tonyburzio4107 well if it doesn’t brick my laptop I guess it’s the lesser of 2 evils.
But even with this update, who will take the risk with his expensive MacbookPro M1 or another one?? i prefer honestly never use it ...
So it messes them up if they charge the laptop through the hub? Not charging my phone through the hub? Great video!
*I’m 60 years old with an M1* (not that age matters but say that in case someone wants to comment something snarly because I’m not tech savvy). Any-who, I’m scare shit to use a hub on a recently purchased M1A. (I bought one thanks to the great info on this channel).
However, I’ve been learning about this hub issues and watched many videos on it. I’m just overwhelmed. There’s so many options to buy too.
Hope this nice community can assist me. You pro editors and computer/tech savvy folks out there *PLEASE HELP*
*Here’s what I want to do*
First of all, I got the M1A Mac this week but thinking about exchanging it to the pro because I literally watched a few videos on this channel and other good ones and realize the pro out beats the Air in some areas like editing, is that true?
Aside from that dilemma, I need my Mac primarily for running 2-3 businesses so having multiple screen open is essential; RealEstateSoftware, Accounting Software, Editing Software, School Work.
I will be Podcasting too. Additionally, I want to add parallels (to use it as Windows for school stuff or should I just buy Windows Office?)
Now that you know my usage requirements-needs I’d like to know *what hub to buy* so I won’t experience any issues like many have had from reading the comments here. It is imperative that I do not go without my laptop for weeks so trying to prevent any issues to not have to deal with sending it to Apple for repair. I want to be very careful.
What Hub are best, anyone?
Side note: I notice in comments many are saying NOT to connect the laptop power cord to the hub to charge the laptop while also having other devices (mic, screens, etc) to the hub as well, is that right ? I’m not sure if I’m understanding this correctly.
My apologies for lengthy comment and my several questions. For whoever read this far and can give me some honest guidance, *THANK YOU* !!!!!
"pro out beats the Air in some areas like editing, is that true?" Yes, the fan does a good job especially when editing and rendering. If your budget allows, a M1 MacBook Pro with 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD would be my recommendation if you will be doing a lot of editing.
"I need my Mac primarily for running 2-3 businesses so having multiple screen open is essential" M1 MacBooks can only output to a single external display. You can still have two screens in use (the laptop screen and an external monitor) but no more. The M1 Mac Mini however can have more external displays.
"Additionally, I want to add parallels (to use it as Windows for school stuff or should I just buy Windows Office?)" If you only need Microsoft Office programs (e.g. Word), no need for Parallels, just buy a Microsoft office subscription.
"What Hub are best, anyone?" The two hubs I linked in the pinned comment on this video are my recommendation. I personally don't think you will have any issues, just make sure the software on your Mac is updated.
Wtf, I got an déjà vu at the moment you said ‘clicking noise. This was exactly what happens to my 13” 2017 MacBook Pro after using a Satechi USB hub. I heard * click click click * and everything went dark and never powered on again. Damage? 1.000 euro for a motherboard replacement. I’m still too scared to plug a usb hub into my m1 MacBook Pro....
Same thing happened to my 2020 MacBook Air after only owning it for a few months. Luckily - still had the one year manufacturer warranty. Now I’m paranoid when I connect it
Obviously, just don't charge through the dongle. There are two ports for a reason, use the other USBC ports on the hub for accessories
I have been using jcreate for 4 months on all the time but I use a power conditioner
It is not that obvious as USB-C can be daisy chained, so...
@Skrirrex Yeah, I kinda wish there was 4 now. I was kinda naive when I posted that comment
Thinking of getting an M1 Macbook, and would just like to confirm- is this no longer an issue thanks to their patch?
Could you recommend one without any cable which isn't that expensive?
The problem is simple. Low efficiency power delivery circuitry in these hubs leads to hot hubs that fail at current limiting, leading to, basically, short circuits. 🤷♂️
Indeed. Can you confirm than that I will have no issues using an OWC Disc writer (connecting with USB 2 to 3 adapter) charging from its own power source and an ethernet dongle in one of USB C port used only for router cable connection?
I'm scared, 1 year vid post, but thanks for providing the links of the ones your recommended,
I actually have use 2 separate ones. A thunderbolt 3 echo on the right side and a thunderbolt 4 anger on the left side with tons of things hooked up to them never an issue. Did not know this
Thank you for this video. I am definitely battling with the confirmation bias because I am focusing too much on the negative comments. I really want to get the satechi slim usb-c multi port hub but still not sure about that brand.
I had my M1 MBP clam shelled and docked to an Anker USB-C hub thru PD for 9 weeks without issues. Not sure if my 100w usb-c power cable with the E-marker has anything to do with it, which is then powered by a hypper 100w usb-c charger.
But I read somewhere, that constant plugging & unplugging of the hub PD from the laptops may also have contributed to the issues.
I think they should bring back the ports and mag charge
There was an MacOs update regarding this one
Most USB-C hubs/dongles are very questionable in quality. Sure some are really good, but not many. I agree I would not trust them to power my device in many cases. Thunderbolt Docks have better milage due to all the required certifications but they cost a lot more. I suppose you get what you pay for.
Potentially sounds like reversed electrical polarity from the hub if it's delivering DC power.
I remember reading these kind of problems when the first MacBooks with USB-C started appearing, and many blogs strongly recommended using a hub from a trusted brand.
Even a trusted brand like Satachi or Hyperdrive happened it as well bro. Mine is Hyperdrive 8-in-1
I had a usb hub (not cheap) and I just got it a few hours ago and locked it when going to shower, then when I turned it on my Mac wouldn't turn on, you could hear the occasional boot sound though
Comments like this create more questions rather than clarifying the situation. Were you charging through the hub? How many devices were connect to the hub?
I got the same hub as you do! The 8-1 Anker USB-C hub for my MacBook Air. It's amazing!
SUPER useful! Thanks a lot!!
if you don't mind what's the black usb c you were using in this video😁
Its possible that mismatching AC adapters can cause problems. If you have too many devices you most likely have too many AC adapters and accidentally use the wrong adapter providing inadequate wattage.
Wondering if Ugreen is considered a reputable brand? Mine failed recently and Ugreen won't honour the warranty.
Got some USB isssues on my 2018 MacBook Pro, also caused by a similar problem as this?
Is this problem effectively fixed by now? I'm a new owner of one of these macs and really need to use a hub due to the need of the extra ports. But I'm afraid I'll break it.
I will like to now as well
Same
Think my wife is having the same issue. USBC hub made her laptop glitch and now it makes a weird woodpecker noise every now and then.
Good to know. I had a similar issue with two Topping external DACs dying when connected to my old macbook via USB. I figured out there was some voltage/static differential between them both, and from then, only used a toslik connector for electrical isolation. Thats something else to consider.
hii, which brand did you use? And was this not fixed after software updates?
This is why I try to do Atleast a few weeks of research into products before making the purchase. It's better to be safe than sorry later on.
It’s not people want to use pass through for charging but because the bus does not offer enough power
I was just using a Belkin 4 port hub with passthrough charging on my M1 air. I had a power adapter connected, an audio interface and a webcam. I had a monitor hooked up to the spare USBC port on the mac. Both ports died suddenly while using garage band with OBS and FB messenger.
How come Apple never made a docking connector for their laptops? It would provide high current and data pass through. But it does kill the aesthetic...
Just get a Mac Mini at that point, save yourself some money too.
I had the same issue ! My Mac book pro just stopped doing anything and I was using chines hub . It’s cost me 350 dollar and the person who repaired my Mac , said ‘’ the one of the components has dead . He have no idea why this happened.
I am scare to use hubs after that and I believe it because of the cheap hub .
But this is so unfair that they didn’t give USB port in Mac book .
which hub did you used?
Mine had a problem with a powerbank , and it was not a cheap one , I was using it since 1 year with my old macbook pro . Simply shut off completly and when rebooted webcam was dead and touch-bar had issues . It was fortunately replaced
watching this with my ipad its actually amazing experience
How about those without charging capabilities?
Doesn't seem to affect the Mini so likely a power supply issue specific to the laptops.
Steve would say: "You're using it wrong, a TB/USB4 hub is the way to go.
I used a dongle that is very similar to what you showed in the video, I connected an external camera, network cable and screen via HDMI and rarely my Mac (Macbook pro m1) crashed and restarted (I think it happened to me 2-3 times during a zoom call)
Just last week I had my M1 MBA reboot (more than once) with a USB C to 4 port USB A and 2 HDD's attached. I pulled out a more expensive hub and there was no issue. Retired the cheap hubs immediately (UGreen I believe) I heard about the power pass through issue, so I never use that feature.
I never charged my intel MacBook from 2017 with a hub. If I ever charged it, it was often straight from the power block.
There was a software update for this
Its not the USB-C but the lack of USB-C, more money for attachments, the future is wireless, my @$$
i want to use a USB-C hub to connect my M1 to my Digital Audio Workspace. Is ANKER the best one to use?