Proving that Overwatch should have better Mod support. (Not a dunk on Blizzard)
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- Опубликовано: 12 июн 2024
- Using the Overwatch 2 Workshop you can (almost) faithfully recreate Mauga's kit on Roadhog (or anyone else technically).
Timestamps:
00:00 Mauga Guns
4:40 Overrun
7:18 Cardiac Overdrive
7:39 Chain Fight (Ultimate)
11:13 Workshop Rant
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To be fair, Mauga took 4 years because they had different kits for him that didn’t fit. Like Mauga was supposed to be released instead of Sigma, but it didn’t fit Mauga so they made a brand new character. He probably had to gave him like MANY, and I mean MANY different kits for him. Additionally, Overwatch switched from 2 tanks to 1 tanks, so that probably affected his release even more. Also, coding in the workshop is easier than coding in an actual programming language.
Don’t forget blizzard as a company will need multiple departments to work on different aspects of the character and eventually approve of any and all changes made to the character before finally starting the process to even start getting ready to place him into the game.
it’s obvious blizzard focuses on the hero kit first then fit it onto a character not the other way around. That’s how sigma was made since it didn’t fit Mauga.
Didn't I just see this somewhere?
@@MrJayza89bros blizzard bot from 50 credits army💀 +50 overwatch credit was added to your account
Yeah people just find any reason to bitch atp without understanding the work that actually goes into the development cycle
I would say the conceptual stuff is hard, staying true to a characters kit while keeping them balanced is the main obstacle. Modelling takes some time too. Coding the hero with a pre made plan that doesn’t require the latter steps is significantly easier
Your Workshop rant is on point. Why can't we spawn Null Sector or other PvE enemies (even the training bots for crying out loud)? Somebody managed to hack Overwatch and play AS Archives enemies several years ago, which proves that it's certainly possible for them to implement. I'd also like to be able to force skins for dummy bots, which is also completely possible within the game as shown with the various event gamemodes. It would also be great to, if not edit or create maps (which is easier said than done btw), at least spawn and move props around the maps, which is again shown to be completely possible thanks to the prop hunt gamemode. These three features would absoultely revolutionize the Workshop in my opinion.
The two things I’ve always wanted are to be able to change dummy bot skins and put in truly impassable barriers (like the ones on spawn rooms).
Epic ideas
to be honest I originally thought stuff like the workshop island and expanse were meant to be like map making templates.
Because then you wont buy pve, coz you ll have enough pve
And players will make fun of blizzard being worse than modders
I wish you could create a custom hero in workshop without having to use other heroes as a model. That would be so fun. But idk how this could work as I’m sure some hero ideas wouldn’t be able to be made due to limitations. And yh there should be a map maker.
Honestly Blizzard should make a few simple Mannequin models that are usable. Have them be gender-neutral, and come in 4 varieties; Small [Tracer, Widow, Ashe, Lucio, Baby DVa, etc], Medium [Reaper, Baptiste, Cassidy, Echo, Mei, etc], Large [Reinhardt, Sigma, Bastion, Junker Queen, etc], and Other [Bastion, Orisa, Nemesis Rammatra, Zenyatta, Training Mode Bots, Winston, Hammond, etc].
That way for human hero concepts you could use one of the 3 standard mannequins, and for omnics, animals, and other non-humans you could use a generic sorta robot-animal hybrid mannequin that is similar to the Medium size option, but slightly bigger [still smaller than Large tho]
@@betabee1221 that’s a great idea. But what if u wanted them to have a new gun, and not just one that another hero has. Coz otherwise it’s just be a hero mashup thing
I think the unit creator in TABS lets u be quite creative and something like that should be in ow2, check it out.
make it so you can make animations and models and change everything about them. make them a map or a ship or whatever. similar to tf2, then you dont need more than 24 bots, just have custom models that look like the bots, and make it so once they take enough damage something happens, would make pve, pokemon, etc possible.
**PLEASE WATCH THE VIDEO BEFORE COMMENTING**
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This video is not to dunk on Blizzard. Instead, im saying that Overwatch should have more Modding :)
And yes I know I kind of deserve the hate because I did hard ragebait the video
Definitely clickbait but I dig it lmao
cardiac arrest is the right name because mauga usually dies anyway when he has to pop it
this is pretty amazing considering we had a few days with him
0:49 What uhhh... What'cha drawing there?
It’s a rocket ship. 🚀
Cactus 🌵
A volcano
@@KendelR A Volcano with White Lava? Strange.
@@KendelR You have complaining about limited workshop, me and my friend, they and I , are working on something that basically overwatch 1 workshop but with a lot features . as separate program but feels like the workshop in overwatch, we are thinking of calling UberwatchR75 ,it has been based on R5 reloaded witch is a apex moding tool
Awesome remake :)
Instead of disabling the abilities outright when they're off cooldown, you can just use Disallow Button (Ability). While pressing the button itself will do nothing (and hence not use the ability), it can still be detected by Is Button Held. That way, you can still have the visual of the ability being enabled without using the original ability.
What I usually do for initializing values like this (so you don't switch off of MaugHog and onto another hero and your abilities are disabled...) is have a condition that checks if you are on a hero (specifically using HeroOf(EventPlayer()) == Hero.Roadhog). If true, wait like 0.1 seconds (so it doesn't conflict with other custom heroes/abilities in the same code), then set the DisallowButtons. Then in the same rule, I use a WaitUntil(Hero is NOT roadhog, timeout of 9999s) then allow the buttons again.
I’ll try to remember that for next time
note, ulting against another ulting mauga is usually good because ultimate gives you a boittomless clip. if you dont, you and the other mauga heal off each other until you have to reload and die
Darn, that means i should really try to fix that
ur seriously so talented lol idk how hard it is to make all the things u make but it seems hard so props to u for putting jn all the effort!!!
a couple key notes, the over health is actually pretty important for close and personal moments, and cage fighting second in a mauga 1v1 is actually a huge play because if the first Mauga dies you have a barrier and infinite ammo still
oh and it's prounounced Moun (as in mountain) ga
Luckily the healing instead of overhealth doesn’t change the interactions much, as for the cage fight… yeah I can try tonight to finally make it work afain
yea...i dont understand how people hear names and words being pronounced with actual dialogue and still end up saying it incorrectly.....
I've actually done passive overhealth before when I was playing with a Symmy rework; you can store the overhealth-pool as a variable and clear/reapply it using the variable you're currently using to track the fake overhealth health.
That’s what we did. I just did a bad job coding and it bugged out if it was outside of the original line
Love your vids
Happy birthday soupy
You can eat the overrun pounce with dvas defenses matrix lol
from the math I did the spin up takes 0.16 seconds and he has a fire rate of 18 shots a second (or well just under that but rounded up to that its more accurate than 20 that wiki says)
like if mauga is set to fire for 15.16 seconds with one gun or for 7.66 seconds with both, you don't run out of ammo at that point, while at 18 firerate (or just under that, math is hard sorry) he does run out of bullets just under 17 seconds of fire
also not sure if it was implemented that while firing there is slowdown of 20% while firing one gun or 40% while firing both
My brain hurts from reading lol but I know I got the slow down right. Also the 20 bullets a second was inaccurate from my math too
@@KendelR yea I'm not that great with words appologies, I can try to elaborate if something's not clear
@@somedude4087 I mostly understand it. I don’t think I will update the code because people have missed the point of the video so doubt people will play the Gamemode (to be fair my fault for making it ragebait)
@@KendelR yea thats fair on both fronts
they did say that mauga was the first time they...live animated his muscles? or what were the words used
there was a lot of work done and recreating gameplay parts, while is impressive
isn't the same as making from base, as well as the rest that comes with the hero
Hey man great video, genuinely impressed that you got it to this state after a few days of the hero. 👏
I’m also sorry you got so many whinny comments, you’re doing great work and are some of the only OW vids I watch. Sorry you aren’t favored by the algorithm, but man you really should be.
So this is the roadhog rework
Happy birthday Soupy
we all know that it didn't take blizzard 4 years to make Mauga. It probably took them like 2-3 months and I'm being generous because maybe they wanted the model to be just right, but the gameplay surely didn't take them more than a week
Nah the big thing is that they went through a meriad of designs, animations etc
A week? Lol that’s not how Game dev works 😂 takes way longer
The one thing my nephew and I are BEGGING for Blizzard to add for Workshop, is to be able to add a "Force Player Skin" action and a "Force Player Communicate" action(We both especially want the force Player skin). Force Player skin is self explanatory, it would allow you to force a specific skin(limited to the skins owned by the coder) to a specific player(s) regardless if they themselves own it, then "Force Player Communicate" would force a specific player or players to do a specific emote or voice line(again regardless if the player who is being forced owns them or not)
The example my nephew and I always bring up to each other for how usefull this would be is look at how many pirate skins are in the game, wouldnt it be cool to be able to make a pirate game mode and have it look authentic!? You can title your game mode a certain theme and have matching skins to go along with that theme. The only downsides would be 1: if theres a Hero you want to use that doesnt have the right theme(that just depends if Blizzard adds it, not really anything we can do) then thats unlucky, and 2: If you want to use a skin but dont own it(but maybe you can have a friend who does have a skin take over ownership and go over your code and add it in real quick) then again thats just unfortunate.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY SOOPY
Dva can defense matrix MaugHogs Overrun pounce. Also hi girus again
@@KendelR You recognized me?!?! It’s an Honor Kendlr!
*Double cardiac arrest* 💀💀
I've actually tried making an unstoppable/fortified status in the workshop. Here's an idea I had, but have yet to try out:
Set your fortified player to be phased out, then summon a dummy both and attack it to them. Make the bot invisibile and set it's health pool to 999999 or something similar. Then make a rule where everytime that bot takes damage, it damages the fortified player an equal amount.
Dummy bots are pretty inconsistent unfortunately, so in practice it might just not be practical. But in theory, it should accomplish the same thing.
That is definitely a solution but i probably wont bother since he will just be back in 30 days
@@KendelR np, just thought I'd share in case anyone ever needed something similar
Happy Birthday Soupy
Dva can defense matrix MaugHogs Overrun pounce
Wait. There's workshop points???
About the title blizzard took time to design and come up with mauga’s abilities and lore ,you are just copying them (I know this title a joke I’m just joking around)
Ye. Partial clickbait moment
3rd and amazing vid btw keep it up
Honestly I think have a limited time release for Mauga was a really good idea. As in the short time people played him it gave a lot of insight to both the players and the devs on how people will use him and his strengths and weaknesses as well as any bugs, I like this because this gives the devs time to improve mauga while we wait for his full release.
Can I just ask, what is it you have that requires a heart valve?
It was too small and needed to be replaced
waiting for the part where the modders have no free time and have to make the models and animate him
If they added it lol
@@KendelR Or people make the overwatch equivalent of R5 reloaded whitch is basically modable apex.
are you still working on the one realistic change to every hero game mode?
Yes and no. The hard part is keeping it different from what I’ve done before. I have some of them still but haven’t touched it recently
To be fair the modders are using maugas existing animations so its not a big deal tbh
HAPPY BIRTHDAY SOUPY
🎊🎉
Dva can defense matrix MaugHogs Overrun pounce
@@KendelRhow does that work?
I hope the dog is okay
@KendelR apology video when?
Should've called him "Mhoga"
I think it would also take them only a couple days max too if they saw the essentially the finished product already. It's always much easier to replicate than build from the ground up. That's not even taking into account how blizzard structures the different overwatch departments, getting approval to test possible kits they wanna experiment with, redesigning the character and model to fit with said kits, and the scrapping it and going back to the drawing board afterwards.
This just feels really disingenuous and insulting to the team that worked hard on bringing this character to life.
Did you watch second half of video? I was saying modding good, not blizzard bad
RUINS IN THE BACKROUND!!!!!
Fun fact, I meant to use a different song, realized I grabbed that one, but kept it lol
I have a theory for why they took soo long to put mauga into the game and it is renforced by some interviews with the devs, and for makeing it clear let's immagine the creation of new hero has a pipline, that in one end have finished charcaters ready for relese and on the other just concept ideas, now we know that mauga was ment to be hero 31 but insted we got sigma because the kit didn't fit him so he have come back at the end of the pipline and so he wasn't a priority anymore and insted they focussed on the other characters like sojourn, jq, kiriko, ecc... that where in more developed stages. Also mauga was a fan favourite and so has they said they wanted to nail it, for that reason they switched ram and mauga around so that they could have a little bit of more time to perfection it, and now this is coerent with the leaks that we got last year that said that mauga was suposed to be hero 36.
Oh yeah I’m sure that’s why. I just ragebaited the title and thumbnail so I could say that they should add more mod support so we can help with making content for the game
Elephant?
it took blizzard 4 years to steal a paladins character
Buddy, the game devs did not take 4 years to make him. A lot goes into coming into kits, design, and balancing. All these modders did was remake him using workshop.
Video was to say that modding was great for Overwatch, not to dunk on blizzard
yeah. MAKING HIM.
Because making something from scrap when you have other possible heroes you could make is easier than just putting together existing tools with an already designed kit
Did you watch second half of video? I was saying modding good, not that I’m better than blizzard
@@KendelR I would recommend changing the title then because that's not how it sounds like, and it's also the reason I did not watch the video.
@@secondintoner I agree that I went to hard on the ragebait. The issue is that if I title it something like “Overwatch modding is good” then it doesn’t make as much noise and does worse. I will try better next time to get my point across while making the video enticing to click on
Thought of a better name. I’ll use it as an experiment to see how it affects stuff
@@KendelR Mkay, I get it. Do you want me to delete my comment?
Roadhog rework early gameplay 😂
If only lol
wait i think i saw you in a game because kendelr is kinda familiar btw my name is Henry
Right make this with season 1 ow2 without all the code implanted for Mauga then we talkin
Ngl I wanna see venture remade
I’ve thought about finding a list of Overwatch backlog and making them. Venture seems possible
Happy Birthday Soupy!!
Dva can defense matrix MaugHogs Overrun pounce
the glitch at 9:25 is real glitch with mauga. so you got that part right lol
Lol. I know why it happens now too
if you fix it you are doing better then blizzard
Couldn't You Have Disallowed The Buttons Instead Of Disabling The Abilities? That's What I Usually Do.
Also While I See Your Point On Crash Limits Since My Universal AI's Barely Runs Most The Time, I Don't Think Its That Bad. I've Made A Chaos Mode With 100 Effects And It Runs Perfectly Fine Tho I Think That's Mainly because At Most Only 10 Effects Happen At Once (Or More Depending On What The Custom Timer And Durations Are Set To)
I Also Don't Think They Should Add Barrier Support And Stuff (YET!) Because As Of Now The Workshop Is So Broken, So Many Hero's Have Broken Cooldown, Ammo, Or Other Data And The Latest Feature (Create Projectile) I Don't Know If Anybody Else Is Having This Issue But Whenever I Give It A Radius It Also Uses The Splash Damage As The Crit Multiplier Still. Or Something Because They Always Do Crazy Damage.
Why are you capitalizing the first letter of every word? It makes this so hard to read
@@-aku2805 Idk.. It Was Just Something I Picked Up 3-4 Years Ago Or Something (I Didn't Noticed When It Started Because My Only Friend Never Mentioned It). I've just Gotten Used To It And Also Cant Be Bothered Figuring Out How I'm Meant To. On Some Level Pressing Shift/L2 On The First Letter Of Each Word Has Become Muscle Memory.
I ran into some bug with the splash damage also but can’t remember what it was now since it randomly fixed
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wouldnt Hauga or Hoga make more sense
We called him by both names. We just did Maughog because we thought it rhymed (then we realized that technically you’re supposed to say “maug” like “mount” in mountain so it doesn’t)
I was going to be in the vid but i was busy 😅
Dang
@KendelR dang do you not remember me im isoni the one you timed out like a week ago
Why not call it hauga
That was the other name
Ok but let's be fair here. It didn't take them 4 years to make mauga mechanically. it took them 4 days to design the kit, make the model, playtesting, changing and changing stuff, tweaking numbers, etc.
Yeah, I was more saying that modding should be better supported for overwatch
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Dear god
@@KendelR UNBLOCK MY MAIN NOW I HAVE 5 ALTD READY TO SPAM YOU
To be fair, they didn't even think about putting Mauga in the game til recently
They thought of it before sigma came out so that is false
Mauga should be the new DPS not a tank he’s too strong make the original new DPS the tank yes mauga should be a squishy
HOGMA
That’s the other name lol
That is the most clickbait rageclick title i have seen all month. Almost got me with that bait but you're gonna have to try harder.
The game of youtube
So to some things up the reason why we didn't get PVE is because they were working on maga😂😂😂😂😂 this company should be shut down Blizzard's a joke
This feels like bragging for copying homework
Watch second half of video
He didnt take 4 years, probly more like a few months, they also had to make animations, skins, test bugs, test kits and i could name more but either way you are making it seem like blizz wasted time on him
Watch second half of video. Said they should add more modding so we can help them more, not that they suck
Bro actually plays with 60 fps cap 🙃
I need to limit it sadly. Hoping to fix it soon
They didn’t “make” him. They modded the existing assets and resources in game.
You know the amount of time it takes to create heroes in OW is tremendous. And it’s not like the Devs were solely focusing on Mauga the whole time😂
Not including the fact that his kit became other heroes and I’m sure they decided to prioritize other Tanks/heroes instead.
Watch second half of video. I was saying modding good; wasn’t saying blizzard bad
the first point while it may true, you forgot to factor one thing, "we modded the existing assets and resources in game to make mauga" isnt a good youtube title 😂
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Tbh as vet ow player for the last 7 and a half years and man ur doing it in ow like the custom game code like bruh go make a game the. Make a character and figure out how to balance it with every other hero like it’s not easy plus they have all of the voice lines and etc no need to shit on blizzard just cuz they made a character as an idea years ago and only now are they trying other things and trying to more like it’s not like every person is working on one thing or one character all together
Did you watch the second half of the video lol? I said they should add more mod support so we can help them make content like Fortnite did
Not a dunk on Blizzard? A dunk on who then?
Watch the video lol. I I’m saying they should add more mod support.
Make a overwatch porn tier list
I’ve thought about it but my channel would get demonetized
@@KendelR YOU THOUGHT ABOUT IT?!
@KendelR you right but what happened to your old unturned videos
u cant just steal pre-existing balancing and game design theory and say "oh well i made it quicker!"
the programming isnt even what takes the longest
its the art and testing
*tho blizzard DOES still suck, ngl*
Art can happen parallel to coding but design is a huge barrier
I was saying modding good in second half of video, not that im better
I was saying that modding was good for Overwatch, not that blizzard sucks
It's easy to "create" the hero when you already know what it does and the numbers. This video is pointless.
Watch second half of video if you haven’t already. I was saying modding good
oh I get it, undertale overwatch haha ha ha ha ha its not funny.
*「Mauihog」*
Happy birthday soupy
Happy birthday soupy
You can eat the overrun pounce with dvas defense matrix
Found it
Happy birthday soupy
Thank you
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you really dont have enough comments for this to be hidden lol@@KendelR
@@ShadowMurloc389 I know. I expected that lol. I don’t think anyone will use this Gamemode super seriously