Reacting to DBZ Abridged History of Trunks MOVIE Without Watching Dragon Ball Z
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The sheet box thing is when they want to cover a patient for warmth and privacy. Generally when there’s a lot of problems with skin or severe injuries that you really don’t want anything touching.
that's great attention to detail on behalf of the original artist
come to think of it Japanese people are probably extremely familiar with them thanks to WW2
@@toonguy1goddamn 😂
It's called a Bradford frame, or less commonly known as a Baumgartner frame. I'm almost certain that's what it is, that or a striker frame for turning over patients with spinal injuries. Still leaning towards the former though.
Which makes sense, since injuries from energy blasts would likely be most akin to severe burns.
I love that this is a Gohan who never got to work through his issues with Goku in the Cell Saga
He's super repressed, fails to overcome his passivity until years after it's too late, and puts too much pressure on himself as a mentor
This is the Gohan we would have if the "Goku is a bad dad" crowd was unironically right
Eh, I think your last statement is a bit of a False Dichotomy. There's no reason that Goku couldn't both be a bad dad and Gohan still not turn out like how this special portrays him. It at least depends on the argument/conditions as to what makes Goku a bad dad.
Lmao I love that they brought the Vegeta scream back in the special
Yeah, too bad they didn't notice...
The scream that damaged Lani's voice for a while.
PURE RAGE!!!!!
@@pjs8433they don’t notice shit lol, they’ve missed literally dozens of jokes over the course of dbza
@@Lord_Cynrikagreed they seem like they can't memorize any gags from the show
I just love how dbza brilliantly portrayed 17 and 18 having actual sibling behavior 😂
I don't know why people give DBZA credit for this when it's literally in the original movie.
"Will Dinner bring my Husband back?!"
"Maybe???"
Ya know, knowing Guko, it could work.
Who’s Guko? Is he related to Goku? Lmao!
@@LSSJGodYou know who Guko is. He's the secondary luper Mayan
One of the best call backs in this episode. When it shows the time skip 3 years later when Trunks is talking to his mom you can hear Vegeta screaming. This is a refrence to the episode where Gohan stole the dragonball from Vegeta causing him to rage and his scream was heard by Trunks in the future in which when heard he says "Daddy?" I notice that most reactors miss this and the joke is golden.
and they completely missed it haha
@@Dad...... because they don´t pause when they start any discussion or debate which results in them missing a lot of plotlines and jokes
@@alexanderzack3720 oh well, they'll catch it on a rewatch.
The most heartbreaking dbz special and trunk's ssj transformation is so good it's done well in dbza
Saddest part is there’s a timeline where after all this happens, cell still kills trunks before he can even go back in time
Kaiser's loveletter to Trunks
@@umbreonix No he kills Trunks after he goes back in time. Remember the Androids are dead in that timeline, because Trunks goes back to the past, tells everyone about the androids, they build the remote to shut the cybnorgs down, then Trunks goes back to the future with the remote to shut his own cyborgs down, then Cell kills him and goes back to the past, where now Cell appearing in the past changes the timelines yet again to where Trunks knows Cell will appear to kill him so he can kill Cell first.
@@EskChan19 My brain hurts 🤣
The epic sorrowful music that plays over Trunks finding dead Gohan and going Super Saiyin is actually from Doctor Who as well. Its called Doomsday, which is the episode its from.
Underrated comment. Thank you from us who don't care for Dr. Who.
As a long time DBZ fan, I was almost screaming at how hard they struggle to understand such simple rules of time travel I've understood since I was twelve.
This special goes hard, and TFS went harder when abridging it. One of my all-time favourites.
Before I looked at the captions, I didn’t think Trunks’ incoherent babbling was decipherable
While Monty didn’t help with the show, he was an avid fan. There’s multiple instances for behind the scenes stuff in early RWBY where you can see DBZ on one of his monitors, and it’s actually DBZA episodes he was watching
He was also set to play adult Gohan before his passing
RIP Haloid guy
14:59 In Dragonball Super, people lost their minds when 17 was reintroduced as being a park ranger, and TFS stated they were able to meet Toriyama and ask him what would 17 be if he grew up, and he said he'd be a park ranger.
Actually, it was first mentioned in an interview/Q&A with Toriyama in one of the colored Dragon Ball Manga, where someone asked him what 17 did after the Cell Saga and he said the following: "After the conflict with Cell, Android 17 becomes a park ranger in the wildlife preserve area of a gigantic royal nature park, where he is well paid. He is an outstanding guard who does not hold back against poachers. It is an ideal job for #17, as he loves to be on his own and is not big on cooperating with others; since he is so good at his job, he takes in a high salary. Android 17 also marries a zoologist; they have one child and two adopted children, and live happily in an isolated house inside the nature park. He went and met #18 and Krillin one time, but did not talk about what he had been up to, maybe because he considers such a wholesome lifestyle embarrassing."
So basically, it was a spur of the moment ass pull from Toriyama to make his interview more interesting. I think this may be the same interview where we got the names Lapiz and Lazuli for the androids, and the idea that 16 was based on Gero's son.
nah they didnt meet toriyama, the park ranger answer was from an interview with a magazine, also he was a park ranger in the End of Z Spirit Bomb and GT
I believe why Gohan just didn't wait until Trunks was better trained to face the Androids was because with no dragon balls, he'd essentially be dooming the remainder of humanity. And it's very likely he'd still die even with Trunks.
Sometimes I wonder why trunks didn't just go back and save gohan. Since he eventually knows it's multiverse theory, he could still do that. That could be another whole movie.
Playing the Doctor Who music made that scene even better.
That first bit of music at the theme park is from Chrono Trigger, a Super Nintendo game from like the 90's, it plays during the Millennium Fair. There was also Magus' Theme from that game that played when Piccolo first appears against Frieza after fusing with Nail. Really good game and bomb music.
Yep, a game based on time travel. Just like why they choose Doctor Who music.
YES! I freaking LOVE that ost
18:57 nobody noticed vegetas rage scream from namek?
Guess not
There are 4 timelines
Timeline A: the main timeline we normaly watch.
Timeline B: Trunks timeline.
Timeline C: Cells timeline.
Timeline D: The timeline Cell's Trunks went back to before he (Cell) kills him (Alternative Future Trunks).
technically there's 2 main timeline and the timeline where cell kills trunks is the same timeline it's just in the future trunks came back defeated the androids and had the happy ending then he got ambushed by cell and cameback so it's just 2 but one in the future
@@ranime8156 timeline D doesn’t have a future cell, so we have no clear idea how the android crisis concluded. That Goku didn’t sacrifice himself at the cell games.
timeline D is the same as timeline C = 3 timelines
@@theatlascomplex2052 the 2nd timeline is still the same it's just in the future simply trunks came back and killed both the androids just didn't know cell excist so when he killed both in his timeline and killed cell so i guess only 2
They're right. There are only 3 timelines.
Timeline 1: main timeline we watch, that has been created due to Trunks and Cell coming to the past.
Timeline 2: the timeline Trunks came from.
Timeline 3: the timeline Cell came from.
Though it may just be 2.
Timeline 1: the main timeline we watch.
Timeline 2: the timeline that both Trunks and Cell came from.
Cell likely came from the same timeline Trunks did, just doing so after Trunks returned to it after helping to defeat the androids.
I love how you know Mr. Piccolo's voice is a hallucination because he can actually pronounce Makankosappo. It's clear from the start, but the hint that Mr. Gohan doesn't have a telepathic link with Mr. Piccolo from the afterlife is that Mr. Piccolo says it correctly.
14:21 Funnily enough, in almost every Dragonball Z Videogame that features Future Gohan, he actually CAN use the Special Beam Cannon/Makankosapo
He also always has 2 arms despite his move set only having him use 1 because of Japanese censorship laws due to the whole Yakuza stuff in real life.
@@chazo1367except for sagas. But I never used him outside of campaign mode.
Dodging will always run in the family
Dying*
I’ve seen this probably a dozen times and I only just now noticed Vegeta’s screaming in the background starting at 18:57
8:32 The music's from Chrono Trigger on the SNES. Freaking masterpiece of an RPG, all the greatest game devs of the time came together like the Avengers to make that shiz. And the scene for Trunks finding Gohan's corpse is Doomsday, from the Doctor Who soundtrack.
I like you express game devs, but surprised you didn't specify Akira Toriyama since it applies way more than the others here lol
This is a great special, both original and TFS, and it has perhaps one of the best Super Saiyan transformations in it
Also in terms of timelines it's kinda four
Timeline 1 is the one where Goku dies; Trunks goes back in time sure but he can only return to his own time, but there's then 1a where Trunks defeats the Androids but is killed by Cell and 1b where Trunks kills the Androids and Cell
Timeline 2 is where Goku survives, but there's 2 timelines of that; 2a is where Goku survives to fight the Androids, however we never learn its outcome because of Cell, 2b is the story timeline which leads into the Cell Saga
Time travel is messy though so you could even branch it out to even more timelines; 1c would be a timeline where Time Travel is impossible or Trunks still isn't strong enough to beat the Androids, 2c would be the story if Trunks didn't show up a second time and point out that Gero and 19 weren't the actual Androids, which would probably have led to an outcome similar to Timeline 1.
Yeah I'd say there has to be 4 of them. Cause there's main one where the series takes place. There's another one where trunks is in this. Then there has to be another one where cell kills trunks and takes his time machine since cell mentions it himself. Then one where basically everybody dies
15:05 Fun Fact: Android 17 is the only named DBZ character to use a gun.
There are 4 timelines. Cell is from the original timeline. Trunks is from the 3rd timeline. The main story is in the 4th timeline.
Timeline 1 (Cell's Timeline) - Goku dies of heart virus, 17&18 kill Zfighters, Trunks travels to the past creating Timeline 2, Trunks returns to Timeline 1 and kills 17&18, Cell kills Trunks and travels farther into the past than Trunks did - creating Timeline 3 (Trunks' Timeline).
Timeline 2 - We never see or hear anything about this timeline. Presumably, it's similar to the Prime Timeline except there is no Future Cell.
Timeline 3 (Trunks' Timeline) - Similar to Timeline 1 except that Cell arrives from Timeline 1 and is presumably killed by 17&18 before he can absorb enough people to rival them in power. When this Trunks travels to the past it creates Timeline 4 (Prime Timeline) which is similar to Timeline 2 but also brings a Future-Cell along with it.
Timeline 4 (Prime Timeline) - DBZ Main Story
No? What timeline 2 are you talking about? There is the timeline where Cell kills Trunks, timeline where the Androids kill everybody, and the main DBZ timeline.
@@morgoth615 Because Cell's Trunks needs to have time traveled but not met Cell, so he must have gone to a DBZ timeline without Cell. So, yeah, 4 timelines.
wtf? there's no "timeline 2"
Pretty sure it would work like this.
Timeline 1: The Trunks timeline. Trunks goes back and time and creates Timeline 2. After this he comes back to his timeline, defeats the androids, and is killed by cell, who goes back in time and creates the main timeline.
Timeline 2: This is the timeline that trunks created by going back in time. After training in the hypersonic lion tamer, Vegeta defeats the androids, and trunks returns to timeline 1.
Timeline 3: The main timeline. This is formed when cell kills trunks in timeline 1, and then goes back in time. In this timeline they kill cell before hes created, followed by the rest of the story involving timeline 1 cell. Future trunks eventually goes back to his original timeline, at which point it creates a 4th timeline.
Timeline 4: The timeline of future trunks where he never ends up getting killed by cell, who never goes back in time. This is the Goku Black timeline as well.
It seems more like Cell from 1 and Trunks from 3 ended up in timeline 4 for some reason. I'll refer to them by there timeline numbers for simplicity.
*SPOILERS* for things later in the series. some of this information hasn't been shown or explain so far in the abrdiged series.
Trunks 1 goes to timeline 2, beat the androids in 2, came back to beat the androids in 1, Cell 1 kills him and takes the time machine, ends up in 4, same as trunks 3.
Trunks 3 goes back in time, ends up in timeline 4, Cell 1 is already there, fights Piccolo and tells his story, story implies that he's from 1
The only timeline we don''t see is 2, but the Cell we see Piccolo fight in 4 says that Trunks 1 beat the androids in 2, came back to beat the androids in 1, then got killed by him.
Oh boy, this episode. I love how seriously TFS went with this special (heck, the humor felt kinda out of place when I first saw it)
They did fantastic with that certain scene, out of the OG z it's my favorite non regular episode. As it's a special and not a movie..still like it more then the movies.
26:01 ok here is how it goes:
Timeline 1: Goku dies Trunks goes back in time creating timeline 2 Kills the androids and is then killed by Cell who goes back in time creating timelines 3 and 4.
Timeline 2: Trunks shows up kills Frieza Gives Goku heart medicine then, they all kill 19 and 20 then deals with androids 16, 17 and 18 probably with the bomb remote.
Timeline 3: the same as timeline 1 until timeline 2 becomes timeline 4. finds out about cell and Kills the androids and then killes Cell.
Timeline 4: the same as timeline 2 until cell shows up and then becomes the tv show.
Bruh this is too much
None of you seemed to notice Vegeta's RAGE transcending both SPACE and TIME.
The disrespect is palpable.
TL1: Trunks creates TL2, Cell kills him and creates TL3
TL2: Irrelevant
TL3: Trunks creates TL4
TL4: Where the story happens
But that would only be 3 timelines unless you count each time future trunks goes back in time as a different timeline
A ton of the music in this episode is from a show called Dr who. It's a show about time travel so it fits.
and Chrono Trigger, a game about time travel
There's 4 timelines. (Spoilers for the Cell Saga, don't read if you don't know how the Cell Saga ends yet)
TL1 is Cells timeline, Trunks goes back in time to TL2 to warn everyone. Everyone gets stronger, still gets their ass kicked by the androids, (just like in the anime) but Bulma finds that the Cyborgs have a kill switch and builds a remote to shut the cyborgs off (just like in the anime, except Krillin doesn't destroy it), they use it, she gives it to Trunks, Trunks goes back to TL1, uses the remote to destroy the androids, and then gets killed by Cell. Cell goes back to TL2 but before Trunks appears, which makes it split off into TL3, which is TL2 but with a time traveling Cell. TL3 is our main timeline that we see in the anime, where the Cell Games happen. The Cell Games and the training for that make Trunks strong enough to where when he goes back to TL1 (without remote since Krillin destroyed it) he is strong enough to kill the Androids anyway, keeping TL1 in tact, untill Cell arrives. Now where in TL1 Cell kills Trunks, Trunks ends up killing Cell now, which makes this timeline branch off into TL4.
So basically there's 4 timelines, TL1 and 4 are where Future Trunks defeats his androids, but in TL1 Cell kills Trunks and in TL4 Trunks kills Cell. And TL2 and 3 are the main timeline, but in TL2 there is no time traveling Cell while in TL3 there is.
We never find out what happens in TL1 and 2 but since TL1 Cell dies in TL3, it's likely at peace but without ANY Z-Warriors left since Trunks also died, BUT with no Androids or Cell either. And in TL2, since Piccolo was already stronger than Cell at the time they meet in TL3, and there are no Androids there, it's likely that the TL2 Z-Warriors defeat Cell pretty easily since he never gets to his second and third forms.
Maybe a few too many spoilers, but a decent explanation.
@Jay2JayGaming but according to super, TL1 buu is eventually stopped by trunks. And zeno erases that time cuz of zamasu, so no buu.
Timeline 1: the timeline “our” Cell is from. Trunks went back to the past and figured out how to defeat the Cyborgs, but apparently not through strength, as he died when Imperfect Cell decided he needed Trunks’ Time Machine to get to Timeline 4. Possibly got the plans from the past, and built the detonator to kill them in the future.
Timeline 2: the “Unseen Timeline” that the first Trunks went back to
Timeline 3: our Trunks comes from this timeline
Timeline 4: the timeline we’ve been watching
I like that TFS uses a lot of dr who motifs in their Trunks stuff
Listen carefully @ 18:55 - You can hear Vegeta screaming from that time when his rage broke on Namek. It's continuity like this that I loved with DBZAbridged 😂
There are four timelines.
1) The OG timeline. This is the one the Cell we all know comes from. Trunks went back in time, and creates...
2) The Unseen timeline. Basically the same as the main timeline but Cell never shows up obviously (well that little larva Cell in Gero's Basement would presumably grow up uninterrupted but that is besides the point). After Trunks returns from that, he is killed by Cell who takes his time machine and travels to a point one year _before_ Trunks' first arrival. That aspect is I think important, as it causes the number of timelines to double, creating...
3) Trunks' timeline. Aka the world the Trunks _we've_ been following hails from. Trunks still travels back in time, but now he's interacting with Cell in...
4)The Main Timeline. We have Cell around, and his actions have caused things to play out differently for both the present characters and Future Trunks.
The timeline discussion...i had that exact conversation with myself when i first watched this arc XD
I think we all try to wrap our brains around that concept. And is also why it's supposed to be forbidden by even the gods and kais. It gets too messy.
22:30 Looks like a striker frame or something similar. Striker frames are used for turning over patients who can't be moved much due to their injuries, specifically in the case of spinal injuries and other injuries exacerbated by movement. It could also be a Bradford frame, which is like a cage that goes over the patient's body, especially useful if they've got burns or skin grafts and you don't want clothes touching it. The blanket over it is just for warmth and privacy.
In other words, they got homie in a box because he got his shit pushed in.
2:46 It's funny that Daft Punk exists in the future and not Country music lol. R.I.P to them.
Fully deserved in both cases, though.
Yes, there is 4 timelines.
OG timeline, trunks goes back in time (creating the 2nd timeline), helps defeat the androids, comes back to his own timeline and gets killed by cell who goes back to before trunks arrived and creates the 3rd timeline and the one we follow. The Trunks that arrives to this timeline learns about cell, goes back to his own timeline which becomes timeline 4 (the one where trunks knows and then kills cell)
OG timeline is a devastated world, but with cell having left for the past and no cyborgs.
Secondary timeline likely is ruled by cell, as the cyborgs were weaker without cell going back in time, so the warriors probably wouldn't have been able to kill him.
Tertiary timeline is the one we follow
Quaternary timeline has trunks defeat the cyborgs and kill cell.
the music when Trunks finds Gohan's body and finally goes super saiayn is "Doomsday" from Doctor Who season 2
Typing this out at 25:11;
Timeline Explanation Assistance
Timeline #1 - Goku dies from a heart attack, "androids" (cyborgs) ruin the world.
Timeline #2 - Trunks goes to the past, saves Goku, "androids" are defeated, Trunks returns to the future and kills the "androids" there, then gets killed by Cell.
Timeline #3 (Current) - Cell kills Trunks after he kills the "androids", goes back in time, and here we are having to deal with Cell AND the "androids" simultaneously.
I've loved the inclusion of the Doctor Who music in this special since I first saw it. The use of Murray Gold's "Doomsday", from the second series finale way back in 2006, really matches Trunks finding dead Gohan... despite the silliness, that scene always pulls on the ol' heart strings...
I remember before this came out there were a bunch of teaser clips, one where the androids went to an amusement park and only spoke like robots, saying things like "executing fun.exe" "a critical error has occurred" and another where one arm gohan knocks out trunks and says "mission accomplished" in a robot voice as the terminator theme plays. Now those clips seem to have been erased from existence and I'm sad about that 🤷♂
There's 3 timelines. Trunks doesnt "create" timelines, he travels between them. This is why he hops into the same main Dbz timeline multiple times, and can go back to his own.
1: Trunks' timeline. Comes from here and goes back to kill the androids.
2: Cell's timeline, kills Trunks. This is most likely a different version of Trunks. If this Trunks had already time-traveled, then 2 options
Option 1: The main Trunks' future is split into two possibilities, continuing Timeline 1 or being in Timeline 2.
Option 2: Theres another Trunks and another Timeline 3 (DBZ timeline) where this Trunks saved that one.
If this Trunks never time-traveled, then just Timeline 2, and its a different version of Trunks.
3: Main DBZ timeline, Trunks from timeline 1 comes to save the day.
Theres no 4th timeline that we see in the show, its pretty clear. Option 2 for Timeline 2 implies 4+ timelines, but thats not what we see in the show
There's 4 timelines.
1. The main timeline
2. Trunks' timeline
3. Cell's timeline
4. The timeline saved by the Trunks that was killed by Cell.
There is officially 4 timelines in DBZ according to the official wiki:
Everything starts with Cells timeline, where the androids appear, kill everyone, and so on. It's exactly like Trunks timeline. Trunks goes back to the past, saves Goku, they defeat Dr. Gero, find the blue prints to the androids and build the remote control to shut the androids off. Cell never appears, as such they never train for the Cell Games, never use the hyperbolic time chamber, timeline 2 Gohan never becomes a super saiyan and Trunks never becomes strong enough to defeat the androids or Cell. This is timeline 2. Then Trunks goes back to the future with the remote, and thus shuts the androids down in his timeline.But since he never trained with Vegeta in the hyperbolic time chamber he isn't as strong as "our" Future Trunks and thus stands no chance when Cell ambushes him and goes back in time.
Cell going back in time creates a new split, where a new Trunks, who has been identical to timeline 1 Trunks until then, goes back in time to a timeline that is identical to timeline 2 until then, except this timeline now has a time traveling Cell in it which makes it split off into timeline 3, which is the main timeline we know, where the Cell games happen, everyone trains a lot more and becomes super strong, and Trunks returns to his timeline, now anticipating that Cell will ambush him and strong enough to solo the Cyborgs, Trunks kills Cell, preventing his timeline from becoming Timeline 1 which makes it split off into timeline 4.
So in DBZ we have 4 timelines. Trunks timeline where Trunks returns and gets killed by Cell, Main timeline where first Trunks travels to, Main timeline where Trunks AND Cell travel to, and Trunks timeline where Trunks doesn't get killed by Cell. Of course all of that is pre-DBS Future Arc where a few more timelines are introduced.
Cell also states that he would have received cells from Trunks when he killed Freeza but the system didn't collect them because it had enough Saiyan DNA. So that means in Cells timeline a Trunks went back, killed Freeza, and they still failed to destroy the Androids initially which would make sense if all they had was the preparations they did 3 years beforehand. This could mean however they manage to find the blueprints and make the remote which is how he ended up destroying them in Cell's timeline and why they still made the time machine again.
There's supposed to be infinite timelines.
Trunks going back and creating a branching timeline by altering the past means this universe operates on a multiversal model separated by time divergences.
Any other action while time traveling would mean a different multiversal model and would effect Trunk's present. Since his present is unaffected that means he created a branch in the timeline, which means every crossroads creates a branch in the timeline, otherwise the entire universe operates exclusively on Trunks doing things to diverge the timeline rather than the uncertainty principle. Which makes no sense. Much like all of DBZ, actually.
So in other words, Toriyama just didn't know how time travel worked in this model and did what he wanted without thinking about anything like he does with all his writing.
There are four timelines.
1: the 'original' timeline from where a Trunks travels to timeline 2, saves Goku and helps them beat the androids, comes back to beat his own androids in timeline 1, then dies to the Cell we see in the 'main' timeline. 'Our' Cell comes from this one.
2: a timeline created by Trunks 1's time jump. This one is not mentioned, but must logically exist and cannot have had a 'future' Cell, otherwise Cell 1 would not have been able to surprise Trunks 1 and steal his time machine.
3: a timeline split off from the 'original' timeline 1 due to Cell 1 outing himself to Trunks 3 in timeline 4, from where a Trunks travels to the 'main' timeline 4. 'Our' Trunks comes from this one.
4: the 'main' timeline, split off from timeline 2 by Cell 1 when he travelled back a year earlier than Trunks, setting in motion the events we see in the main series.
'History of Trunks' probably happened in both timelines 1 and 3, as the most likely point of divergence is Trunks' first jump (or rather his experiences in the past) which only happens at the end of it.
Goku dies of heart failure in 1 and 3, and is saved in 2 and 4.
Timelines. You have the technical main timeline (Goku lives only main because it's what we follow), Trunk's where he goes back which the first time he helps defeat only the androids (This is the one Cell kills Trunks in to get said Time Machine), and finally we have the Trunks timeline we watched in the special (Yes there is the timeline before Cell goes back we just don't see anything about it)
Cell going back to timeline 2 (the present timeline) to before trunks shows up does create a new timeline. However, trunks going back to his timeline, knowing cell is going to kill him does
The Superworld music is from Chrono Trigger, the Guardia Millennium Fair.
*Side-note* : why couldn’t Bulma design a cybernetic arm for Gohan?
24:05 And she knows immediately that it's not Multiverse Theory or her future would have changed as soon as he left. And he would have reappeared almost immediately. So instead of being able to go back and change his present, he can only go to the past to learn how to save his present. Theoretically, he could also take something or someone back to his present with him to help save it, or just abandon his timeline and move he and his mother to an adjacent timeline where the androids never attacked. That's the more morally ambiguous choice though, as you're leaving a world still ruined as you falala onto greener pastures.
For the sake of the show there are 3 timelines at this point,
But if ya wanna get crazy with multi-verse stuff, anytime they use a time machine they go to a different timeline, so it's really at least 6 lines we looking at
There’s 4 times lines
The 1st timeline (Cell timeline) trunks defeated the androids by going in the past and was about tell the Z warriors he defeated the androids but gets his Time Machine high jacked by cell
The 2nd (unseen) timeline Trunks shows up and gets device to stop androids in the 1st timeline before cell steals it
The 3rd timeline the history of trunks timeline
The 4th timeline the main timeline Trunk’s shows up in a timeline where Cell from timeline 1 is already underground
About the timelines, there are at least 4, possibly 5 in play.
Timeline 1 - History of Trunks where Trunks goes back in time to Timeline 2
Timeline 2 - Main Timeline where Trunks gives Goku the medicine
Timeline 3 - Cell kills Trunks to steal his time machine; however, it is said in DBZA that Cell killed Trunks after Trunks had saved Timeline 3 from the androids when he came back to his present, meaning there is another timeline where Timeline 3 Trunks goes into in order to save that timeline and become stronger to beat his androids.
Timeline 4 - A timeline we never see. The timeline where Trunks gives Goku the medicine, wins against the androids but no Cell. This Trunks then goes back into Timeline 3 and gets killed by Cell.
There might be a fifth timeline based on how Timeline 2 works. When Cell from Timeline 3 entered Timeline 2, did the timeline remain as one, or did it split into two timelines? One where Cell appears and one where he doesn't? In other words, was Timeline 2 always meant to have Cell show up, or did Cell's arrival cause a deviation?
Spoilers for DBS:
there's 7 total timelines currently, but in DBZ originally it was four:
1. Universe 12 time traveler timeline (supposedly the very first timeline - Created by DBS)
2. Cell timeline (Trunks is killed by Cell - Created by DBZ)
3. Unseen Timeline (the timeline saved by the Trunks who was killed by Cell - Created by DBZ)
4. Goku Black Timeline (all the events in Cell and Majin Buu saga happened, originally was the main timeline but Zamasu steals Goku's body - Created by DBZ)
5. Future Trunks timeline (Trunks returns and kills the Androids and Cell, but Goku Black attacked - Created by DBZ)
6. Main Timeline (the main timeline currently in DBS, Zamasu is erased by Beerus - Created by DBS)
7. Two Trunks and Mai (alternative timeline created at the end of Goku Black saga to save Trunks world from being destroyed by Zamasu - Created by DBS)
@@elyisusking3603and those are displayed by the time rings in super correct? That's why there are so many. Since the other universes know better by comparison. And universe 7 is watched by kindergarten kai who doesn't know anything.
@@fireeaglefitnessmartialart935 yes, last time we saw the time rings, it had 6 of them (meaning 6 timelines) however this was before Trunks and Mai created the seventh timeline
the music playing at the amusement park is the Fair music from Crono Trigger
Original timeline : Trunks went back in time, helped beat the androids, no Cell, goes home gets killed by cell, Cell goes back. So there's an alternate "mainline" timetime with the Z fighters and the androids are dead no cell.
the timiline discussion goes as follows, Trunks 1 goes back to the past, defeats the cyborgs in the past, goes to the future, defeats future Cyborgs, dies to cell, this cell goes to prime timeline (the one we are watching), than trunks 2 goes back to the past and is now on the prime timeline, so there is Trunks 1 timeline, Trunks 1 past timeline, Trunks 2 timeline and the Prime Timeline
Everyone always forgets the myriad of timelines Trunks has created by going back to his own timeline with his new training. His future timeline creates new branches too since without going into the past he wouldn't have been able to change his original future.
Easiest way to explain it is each time someone travels through time and does anything they've created a new timeline, back and forth.
You probably don't know this, but that music that was playing when Trunks found Gohan's dead body was from a British sci-fi series called "Doctor Who".
I'm gunna be that guy and say there are 4 times lines. The unseen timeline is the one trunks was going back to before cell killed him.
So timeline 1: trunks 2: main timeline 3: cells timeline 4: the timeline trunks was going back to before cell killed him
5:49 Somewhere in the internet there's the scene of Bulma and Gohan in this future making out. Gohan uses the Masenko.
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blankets are propped like that so it doesn't touch and hurt the skin of a patient while giving warmth
I’m really upset they didn’t talk about vegeta screaming in the back when he broke the fabric of space back on namek 😭😭😭💀
Just realized the implications of bulma saying don't ask where they get the protein
Tfs have mastered the art of akward conversation and interaction
So there's a past timeline where Trunks shows up but Cell doesn't. That Trunks helps them defeat the Cyborgs in the past, and then comes back and defeat the Cyborgs in his own timeline. Those would be timelines 1 and 2 "chronologically". Then that Trunks wants to go back to the past again to celebrate, and Cell shows up and kill him and steals his time machine and goes back in time even further. That would cause a paradox, so it creates a further divergence, creating timelines 3 and 4, which are our timeline and the one the future Trunks we know comes from.
Or maybe this is simpler:
1) Dead Trunks and Cell's original timeline
2) past timeline: Trunks shows up, Cell doesn't.
3) Future Trunks' timeline
4) main timeline we know: Trunks AND Cell show up.
There are 4 time lines, 1: Trunks' time when the cyborgs killed the z fighters and Gohan, 2: The z fighters get a heads up about the androids and Goku does not die but Cell does not appear (but is also not killeddue to no one knowinghe exists yet), 3:Trunks succeeded in his mission (which is time line 2) and killed the cyborgs in which case years later Cell kills him and uses the time machine (which causes it to be a new time line),and finally 4:The time line we see throughout the show androids show up, Goku does not die, Cell shows up and so on. Keep in mind what happens with Trunks and Cell in round 2 happens in time line 1.
Forgot to to mention Boom brings up a good point in that every use of the time machine could create a new line however it depends on a lot of factors including if the machine goes to a new time line or if it locks the time line it came from and returns to said time line, if it is the former there are roughly 7 to 8 time lines but if it is the latter then it is only the 4 stated before.
@@ControlledChaos150if messing with time creates a new time-line in the first place (like Trunks' first time travel), then it wouldn't make any sense to not create a new one again in different occasions (like when Trunks returns 3 years later). There's way more time-lines then the fans think there are, but they aren't relevant to the plot.
@@LuisGustavoSOthanks to super we know there's 7 officially with the first 4 in dbz and the 3 in super thanks to the timerings
I believe there's at least 7 timelines as each arrival point creates a new timeline (not sure about departure). So you have the original timeline 1 where Trunks who died came from. He goes back in time, warns everyone and creates timeline 2 (The warning timeline). He then goes back a second time to become strong enough to beat the androids creating timeline 3 the Happy, Happy timeline which splits off from the warning timeline that continues following the path where he never arrived a second time. At this point Cell goes back before his first trip creating timeline 3 the nom, nom timeline . The Trunks we see then arrives in Nom Nom timline creating a new branch off that warning 2. He then goes back a second time creating the canon DBZ timeline. Then he comes back and creates yet another timeline the cells ambush goes wrong one. Giving us Original timeline (1), Warning 1 Timeline (2), Happy, happy timeline (3), Nom Nom timeline (4), Warning 2 timeline (5), DBZ Canon timeline (6) and Cells Ambush fails timeline (7).
Fun fact: the sad music that plays when Trunks finds Gohan's body is "Doomsday" from Doctor Who
From how I understand the multiverse theory in Dbza, Trunks in this special is from Timeline 1 which is the same as when he first appeared in Episode 32 against Metal Freeza. The timeline Trunks goes to is Timeline 2 which has baby Trunks.
Spoilers for later episodes below.
Trunks(TL 1) successfully warned and defeated both Androids 17 and 18 and went back to his timeline, eventually killed by Cell who used his time machine to go to Timeline 2. And then Timeline 3 happened when Trunks once again went back to the past 3 years after her warned Goku about 17 and 18 along with his heart condition.
In other words, this Trunks is from Timeline 1 while the Trunks we see in the main series is from Timeline 3 since Cell did mention that Trunks was successful in Timeline 1 to Trunks(TL 3). But as we all know, multiverse theory's a bitch.
I find it interesting in trunks time line the androids were weaker so I wonder how the z fighters would have done against them versus what we got.
Yes, TL1 Trunks goes back to the past TL2, where they get the remote made, Trunks takes that remote back to TL1 where he shuts doswn the androids, but since the Cell games never happened in TL2, Trunks never trained in the hyperbolic time chamber so wasn't strong enough to defeat his own Cell. Cell kills him, and goes back to when Trunks goes to TL2, but since TL2 didn't have a time traveling Cell in it, TL2 splits off into TL3, which is our main timeline that we know, where the Cell games happen, Krillin destroys the remote, but Trunks becomes strong enough to defeat the Androids by himself and also strong enough to defeat first form Cell, who he is now warned off. So when this Trunks goes back to TL1, when Cell appears Trunks is strong enough to kill Cell, which makes TL1 split off into TL4, where Trunks was not killed by Cell.
So TL3 is the main timeline we follow, while TL4 is the "main future Trunks timeline" with the Future Trunks we know.
@@AlexHiddleson-ip7cj Trunks says that, but he never saw his timeline androids at full power, so it's probably not even true.
@sheogorath6834 That is head cannon sir, Future gohan at full power was enough to take a single android in the end or damn near. Trunks says for a fact the cannon main timline androids are stronger.
@@sheogorath6834 since Future Gohan could match a single android in one on one combat and the others couldn’t I think the future ones are weaker. 17 makes short work of everyone trying to interfere in the fight between 18 and Vegeta on his own. Future 17 couldn’t hold his own very well and 18 had to jump in to assist him.
You probably already figured it out, but the music at the theme park was the Millennium Fair theme from Chrono Trigger.
No that's not Stardew Valley music at the amusement park, it's the Millennial Fair theme from Chrono Trigger.
There is a 4th timeline because that trunks got back from a different timeline where he saved Goku and killed the androids where cell wasn't there
And in DBS were shown 5 time rings and one was caused by berus killing zamasu and the other 4 were from trunks
Ok to help explain the timeline problem we can frame it like this: the timeline mainly in this episode is timeline 1 he goes back in time to timeline 2 and then a cell from a seperate timeline 3 also travels back in time to timeline 2
It does not make a new timeline every time you time travel all timelines already exist each time they travel they just visit a different one
This is very confusing
Im gonna do the timeline thing
Original timeline
Good Timeline
Cell kills trunks timeline
Good timeline makes a another split when Cell goes back in time.
Is that all of Zamasus time rings? They had a literal box in super to show us time splits.
As of this video, the timelines are:
T1. Our timeline (Where main plot like Namek is shown. Trunks from T2 comes here twice) Androids & T3 Cell eventually meet
T2. Teen Trunk's timeline (This movie, Trunks goes to T1. Currently still in T1) Androids and Cell do not meet
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T3. Cell's original timeline (Kills T3 Trunks after he comes back from his missions in T4. Goes to T1 BEFORE T2 Trunks arrives in T1. Currently in T1) Androids destroyed via remote.
T4. Not seen/implied timeline (Teen Trunks from T3 came to this timeline) Androids destroyed via remote, Cell presumed killed.
Okay, here's how it works. Each of the boats has a bomb that will explode, UNLESS the people on one boat blow up the other boat.
I always liked the combination attacks that the Androids do in this one.
Yeah. It shows their terrifying precision and unison. Not to mention twin minds, which is kind of a real thing, I guess.
alright to simplify this
1. trunks timeline (future timeline)
2. the main timeline (present timeline)
3. cell killing trunks timeline (alternative future timeline)
HMan is right. Basically, Trunks went back in time and that created a second timeline. After they win against the androids, Trunks comes back to his timeline but the Cell from that timeline killed Trunks(if you remember, Krillin and Trunks aborted Cell in the main timeline but that never happened in Trunks’ timeline so the Cell in that timeline was out and about. And when he went back in time that created a third timeline
timeline 1 is where most of dragon ball happens, timeline 2 is where future trunks is from, timeline 3 is where cell killed trunks and stole the time machine, both cell and future trunks went to timeline 1, and i think thats pretty much it
The music from trunks seeing gohan dead and going super saiyan is from Doctor Who believe it or not. Or a cover of it. Either way pretty solid
There’s 3 timelines at work that’ve been talked about. Trunks’ timeline (1), main story timeline (2), and the timeline that Cell came from (3). When trunks goes back to timeline 1 it doesn’t make another one, he essentially returns to his origin point.
6:42 in case people didn’t catch it. This is a reference to when Gohan was being trained by Piccolo.
16:55 I know this music from Doctor Who, the tenth Doctor's (David Tennant) era.
*5 minutes into multiverse theory debate*
Huh. So this is what an aneurysm feels like
There may be up to 3 timelines.
Timeline 1: the main timeline we watch, that has been created due to Trunks and Cell coming to the past.
Timeline 2: the timeline Trunks and Cell came from where nobody returned to the past.
Timeline 3: the timeline created where only Trunks came to the past.
There could be 4:
Timeline 1: the main timeline where both Trunks and Cell came to the past.
Timeline 2: the timeline where only Trunks came to the past, the androids were defeated, and that Cell came from.
Timeline 3: the timeline where nobody came to the past, from which Trunks and Cell both came.
Timeline 4: the timeline created from only Cell coming to the past, where Trunks didn't.
Though, there's a very slight chance that there could be 5 timelines.
Timeline 1: the main timeline we watch where both Trunks and Cell have come to the past.
Timeline 2: the timeline where only Trunks came to the past, the androids were defeated, and that Cell came from.
Timeline 3: the timeline Trunks and Cell both came from, where nobody came to the past.
Timeline 4: the timeline created from only Cell returning to the past and where Trunks didn't.
Timeline 5: an unknown timeline where Cell came from neither the future of Trunks' timeline nor the future of the timeline Trunks created when he returned to help defeat the androids.
TLDR at the end.
Here are the reasons why I say that there are only 3:
The reason we can say there aren't more than 3, though, is that it isn't specified if the timeline that Cell came from is different than one of the other timelines. We don't know if Cell came from the future of Trunk's timeline or the future of the main timeline where Trunks came back and the androids were defeated. There's nothing to show that a third timeline was somehow created at some point that caused a separate timeline that sent Cell back.
So, all we know is that Cell coming back was likely due to something happening in the future of either the main timeline or in the timeline that Trunks came from, after he returns to his timeline.
Trunks doesn't stay in our main timeline, after all. So, when he returns to his timeline something could have happened, after he returned, that caused Cell to wake up, since, as we saw in the basement of the lab, Cell had been created before Trunks appeared in our main timeline. He just hadn't been woken up yet. Or, something could have happened in the future of the main timeline that we watch that woke up Cell after the androids were defeated.
The Trunks from the main timeline future wouldn't have known the horrors of the loss of all of the heroes, but something may have happened to wake up Cell from his stasis, in the basement of the lab, that caused the main timeline's branching off from the timeline that created Trunks' death and Cell's returning to the main timeline that we watch.
The reason I think that Cell came from Trunks' timeline is because of Hope 1. In the timeline where the androids were defeated, there'd be no need for Bulma to have created a time machine called Hope 1 in the 1st place. So, it's most likely that Cell came from the timeline Trunks returned to after he helped defeat the androids in the main timeline we watch. It's my guess that after defeating the androids in the main timeline, he returned to the future and at some point found the lab. There Cell escaped and either killed Trunks and then took the time machine back to the past, or he tagged along with Trunks as he returned to the past, main timeline, for some reason, and then killed him there.
Either way, Trunks was the main source of power that allowed Cell to mature to a point that he was able to shed his skin. He may have caught Trunks sleeping and killed him then. Cell likely then spent years feeding off of the animals in the wilderness before gaining enough power to start feeding off of humans. We know this because of how much vegetation was covering the time machine he escaped from.
I don't think he immediately started feeding off of humans after he returned to the past. There's no reason for him to have the strength to kill Trunks, yet not have the strength to break out of the pod for the years it took for the vegetation to grow. If he couldn't break out of the pod immediately after absorbing Trunks, then him sitting there for years wouldn't have given him the strength to break out of it later either.
He gets his strength from absorbing others, not from just sitting. So, it's likely that his initial strength came from Trunks which he used to break out of the pod. Yet he must have felt that it wasn't enough strength to immediately start taking humans, so he continued to grow stronger by feeding on the animals in the forest. When he reached a strength that he decided was enough to easily overpower humans, he came to the city to begin feeding on them.
TLDR:
I think there are only 3 timelines. The timeline we watch where both Trunks and Cell returned to the past to create it, the one where the Trunks and the Cell who returned to the past came from, and the one where just Trunks came to the past. I think Cell came from the same timeline Trunks returned to after helping defeat the androids. Trunks returned to his timeline after the androids were defeated, eventually found Cell, went back to the main timeline and was killed to create the one we follow.
However, there could be an infinite number of timelines. For example, one where Goku took the medication, despite the taste, and quickly killed both androids before 16, 17, and 18 could be woken up. One where Goku took the medication, despite the taste, quickly defeated both androids, took pity on them because they were "really sorry" and didn't kill them, which allowed them to leave to wake up 16, 17, and 18. One where Trunks didn't leave after warning them about the androids coming, trained with them for those years before they arrived, and helped defeat them before returning to his timeline. Etc, etc.
Don't you love temporal mechanics and all of the theories it provides?
8:32 "Guardia's Millennial Fair" music in Chrono Trigger
That first music was from Chrono Trigger
Hman was correct. It created 3 timelines. The original that Trunks was from. Our mainline Timeline is the second one. Cell and Trunks are from the same timeline. When they are using the time machine, they are traveling between the same universe. Trunk creates a 3rd timeline when he went back in time before being killed by Cell because it created a timeline where he didn't go back and never became stronger than Cell.
Timeline 1: Cell & Trunk's timeline. Cell is killed before time traveling.
Timeline 2: The main story timeline
Timeline 3: Cell and Trunk's timeline where Trunks only went back once and is killed by Cell, allowing Cell to come to the main timeline.
Timeline's 1 and 3 are pretty much interchangeable since you can make the argument the original Timeline is whichever one Trunks went back to, and in his timeline, he killed Cell or vice versa.
Four is the correct number:
1:) Timeline Trunks makes by going back in time, killing the androids, and never facing Cell.
2:) Same Trunks from timeline 1, but he ends up dying to Cell after returning to the future. Cell takes time machine and travels to...
3:) Timeline where both Trunks AND Cell go back into the past.
4:) Spoilers of things to come post Cell.
Okay the timelines
Timeline 1 Goku dies which is the movie
Trunks going back in time to warn Goku is 2, going back to his original timeline is still 1
Going back in time to help fight the cyborgs is 3 though from 2's perspective it's still 2 BUT because cell killed trunks in post cell games that makes this 4 because 3 died.
While in 4 they kill baby cell thus making 5
Which leads to 4 being the survivor who goes back into 6 for the post series end cap where he is operating.
Then the final end cap is back in 4 which is an offshoot of 1.
We are watching 1/4 because he survives and the show goes back to 5 or 6 which is sans cyborgs and cell. And with trunks in 1/4 cause he kills cell before he can go back and cause the events in the first place WHICH never happened in his timeline while also showing him going back to help Goku likely lead to upgrades to the cyborgs making them stronger than his own which would suggest likely another path
Timelines are like this:
Timeline 1: Goku dies of Heart issues, Androids attack catching everyone by surprise only Gohan and Trunks survive, Trunks travels back in time to give Goku the heart medicine and eventually kills this timelines Androids using info he found while on the past.
Trunks is killed by Cell when he is about to go back to let the people in the past know what happened, we see nothing else in this timeline.
Timeline 2: Created by Trunks traveling back in time and saving Goku this timeline is likely one that leads to an imperfect cell eventually being born and defeated as the Androids were likely defeated using the remote or by a post hyperbolic time chamber z fighter, likely Vegeta, we never see anything from this timeline however we can assume it played exactly like the TV show timeline just without Cell.
Timeline 3: Created by Cell coming back to the past of Timeline 2 causing a paradox of 2 identical time machines existing at the same time. This is the main series timeline stuff plays out how we see.
Timeline 4: New Future timeline created by Trunks going back in time with the HTC training and the knowledge of Cell existing, he kills all the androids leads to the Goku Black Arc and is erased by FT Zeno
Timeline 5: alt timeline to 4 in which Goku Black never existed and Zeno was never summoned this timeline as of the end of Super houses 2 versions of Future Trunks one that fought Zamasu and unlocked the Super Saiyan Rage form and another that never went through that and focused on rebuilding the world post the Future Buu attack. Personally i like to think this followed the story of the Shin Budokai games since they deal with mostly the Buu saga and some of the movies just set in the future timeline.
There's a timeline where they made the scene of Bulma hitting on Gohan even more uncomfortable, and it was animated for one of their videos talking about behind the scenes stuff, like editing.
It's hilarious actually. Gohan could realistically copy the Makonkosappo just by seeing it one time, despite how intricate that technique is. While Adult Gohan did train off screen for it, it was training without Piccolo. He likely was going off of a fuzzy memory, but if he saw it up close then it's a possiblity. For the side that doesn't know much about early Dragon Ball, Goku did mimic the Kamehameha after seeing Roshi do it once... albeit, that is a much easier technique.
0:16 "Your dad is dead. FOR GOOD!"
Translation: Goku died of a heart attack, which is a natural death. Shenron can't revive him from that. Even so, he was killed back when he and Piccolo fought Raditz, so he can't be brought back by Shenron a second time.
Trying to number the timelines confuses everything more. There are two Trunks, two cells and four timelines.
Trunk A and our Cell comes from the same timeline. Trunks A is killed by Cell.
Timeline two where Trunks A went to exists.
Now, Cell goes back even further, likely making a new line thats the one we follow with the stronger andriods.
Then there is Trunks B who seems to still be from a Timeline similar to A, but not the same as to the canon we follow.
Canon timeline has stronger andriods, and a dead Cell that Krillin destroyed in the sublab.
When y’all were talking about timelines, there are 4 but not for those reasons. 1st is main timeline, 2nd is future trunks timeline, 3rd is cell’s timeline and 4th is the timeline that was saved by the future trunks that cells kills.
cell goes into the exact same timeline as trunks went into. "OUR" timeline.
and trunks returns to his own timeline. he doesnt create a new one when he goes back.
there are 3 timelines, one destroyed by the cyborgs, but with trunks in it.
one where cell killed trunks to take the time machine
a third where the main story is in (our timeline)
There IS a video out there about Future Gohan Resurrected after 32 years since the Android appeared and able to defeat both the Androids and Perfect Cell.
He reunites with his mom and almost everyone who died were revived 😇
So going off the wiki we have.
Timeline 1 The main story created when Cell traveled back in time.
Timeline 2 The Future Trunks we meet is from this timeline.
Timeline 3 Cell's home timeline in this Trunks brings the blueprints he and Krillin found and kills 17&18 using them, Cell kills him and goes back to timeline 1.
Timeline 4 The one Cell's Trunks altered.
Timeline 5 The Trunks from this one killed timeline 3's Frieza and Cold.
Cell going back into timeline 2 branches off into timeline 4.
This is the correct answer.