If you select a file while holding shift in the windows explorer, then right click, you can choose the copy as path option and paste that directly into the file box.
Thanks! I realized I could save the stock as an STL after watching an AutoCAD video, but never figured out how to load it into the setup. Looks like we tried similar things at first. Great job figuring it completely out.
Mr. Saunders, thank you so much. I have a bigger (12") part that needed this to avoid the flip operation milling alot (+3 hours worth) of air. And it's 3d, and there is a flip fixture to avoid. This is the answer. Gracias.
Importing as stl file works better, simply change units to mm when importing stl file, and it will auto-size. The above method only works with a 3D Adaptive, it does not work with a 2D Adaptive. Still, a very helpful video as always.
Hi John, bit of a moot point, but the sizing worked when doing it the other way.....but you have to be in mm. Put your CAM in mm, simulate, save stock, go into CAD....make sure it's in mm.....then do the import and convert to BREP......sizing and placement should be just fine. I don't work in mm, so it's a bit of a pain to change things back and forth. Looks like this method you found will be a lot easier to update!! Thank you! I'm sure I'll be trying it in the next hour or two. lol Mike
Excellent stuff, John! This will be really useful once they get round to integrating it properly, which they surely must. I was wondering how to do this but I'd have struggled to work it out myself.
One huge negative about fusion. Gibbscam has the ability to get a facet body right from the simulation that stays visible even when simulation is off. Its great to be able to see what your machining from what stock/ material you actually have.
I had seen that box before but since there was no browse button to locate the file I assumed it was broken lol. I usually just model a simplified version of what I know the next op should be seeing. I do believe there are plans for getting stock from one setup to another but who knows when that will happen...
Small update for you folks: You can now simply select the second setup stock option Mode = "From proceeding setup" and check "Continue Rest Machining".
I've used that method on some valves so adaptive didn't do so many air cuts when the pockets of the valve met a port that had been milled out in the previous op. Definitely not an obvious thing to find. I would love to be able to set my stock in a setup folder to use the results of all the previous setups before it. That way if I changed an op in the previous setup fusion would alert me that I need to Regen the latter ops. Seems like that should not be a tough thing to implement. Basically what you did here, just automatically. Not super useful for every job but I have quite a few valves that this would make my life so much easier on.
Thank you for this!! One quick question, does the "stock.stl" file have to remain in it's location and unchanged for future changed to the program or is it saved in Fusion somewhere?
That looks like it works for rest machining. What about designating stock for the entire second operation? I had done it before by running the first operation simulation. Saving as an STL file in that stock drop down menu, and then importing the STL back in and clicking that as my stock for the second operation. Is that improper?
That sounds like what I've done in the past. Not convenient, but it worked. The biggest hassle was having to re-import every time I made changes to the work in the earlier setup. The technique that John described involves fewer steps when you make changes - you still have to export the simulated stock result, but you don't have to upload & re-select the stock for the second setup.
2 years later! here's a slightly more streamlined way to tackle this problem. knowledge.autodesk.com/support/fusion-360/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/How-to-use-stock-from-previous-operation-within-a-new-setup-in-Fusion-360-Manufacturing.html
Ehhhhh so I lied (not really). While this is certainly in fusion, I ran the job a few hours after posting this and let's just say things were the hottest of messes. I'm not sure if I did something wrong, but I certainly assumed that the rest machining would be taken into consideration against my WCS point. I don't believe that was the case; after my facing operation completed my next roughing operation cut super deep into my material (it included the depth of material that was removed from the facing operation). Fully aware this was probably more a me thing than anything else. I had zeroed to the machine bed for the facing operation (a cnc router) and then faced the material to thickness. Ran perfect. My next setup zeroed off the top of the new material (thinner now) but there was no way in Fusion that I could figure out to select a point on the new, carried over via Rest machining material like you would if you just used a new model (stl, etc.) and used that as your "new" material. I suspect this issue caused fusion / machine / me / everything to think the material was thicker than it really was, and my poor little ballnose endmill was like "what are you doing bruh?!?!" In hindsight, I could have probably done a few things differently, and I'm debating how I want, or don't want, to use this moving forward. Any other insight here would be super appreciated. I think it's a fantastic feature to have in fusion, and my simple brain is just missing something, probably obvious.
This is a great feature, but the workflow is terrible. Also this didn't work for me like it should. The software wants to re-machine the whole part rather than "rest machine" from previous stock. Did you have to do anything special for in "setup" under "stock" to make this work?
I wanted this to work so badly but when I try to 3D Adaptive and use "Rest Machining" I see the path generate to about 37% and then I get a RED exclamation with the Error: Internal CAM kernel error. Please report through your support channel. I have googled for a solution, however, none of the solutions resemble the situation I am in. Any chance this is an error due to the newest release (2-way adaptive)?
this is what i was missing, i was wondering why it mills everything again..I need to figure out how to do this on side 2, with through hole slots it will mill everything again...
Looks like they are millimeters away from making this an automated/integrated feature. Although it works, there are still a lot of steps.... Overall though....I am just about done with SolidWorks and MasterCAM. Both amazing pieces of software, but just too much money relative to what Autodesk is doing. I am an engineer and machinist - F360 will easily handle everything I design and manucacture.
its not working for me, i tryed both with duplicate first stock for the second one, and also create a new stock for second one with no material left over, and its still rest till the bottom of the part
That’s incredibly klunky. Almost easier to just run adaptive paths and constrain them by levels or areas. And the fact it doesn’t update is worse. I saw that option but like you would save it and couldn’t find where the hell it went or how to get it to do anything useful.
forums.autodesk.com/t5/fusion-360-ideastation-request-a/use-stock-from-previous-operation-in-new-setup/idc-p/7110170 John, Thank you for sharing this information. I also tried to do this by importing the model and got frustrated with the scale and origin misalignment issues, so I will give this another shot and import the file directly into the setup config. Also, anyone who cares about this functionality... please vote for it on the forum, link above. The feature request has existed since Aug 2015. I have no Idea why this has not been addressed yet. Seems like all of the the functionality already exists. It just needs to be wired up and UX needs to make some minor adjustments to the CAM config views to support it. Maybe the API can be used to automate with a plugin. Its possible file watcher lib in python could be used to fire off updates to the downstream setups (pypi.python.org/pypi/filewatch/0.2.0) if the API allows access to this property. If I can get it working, I will share. This missing functionality is driving crazy! :)
Just tried this... can confirm it's not working. When loading the stl from the previous operation, rest machining ignores what has already been machined and generates a toolpath from the stock setup.
Great video @NYCCNC ....Quick question on this... How do you do this if you have say 3 ops on just a milled part.. So when u flip part over and run simulation it continues to look proper and recognizes the extra material that needs to me faced off.... Here is a link to a practice part I did... a360.co/2qFZVEX Hope u have some time to take a look....... Thanks for all you do to help bring up this community.
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If you select a file while holding shift in the windows explorer, then right click, you can choose the copy as path option and paste that directly into the file box.
"Not as closed loop as I'd like" is a pretty diplomatic way to say it. "YIKES!" is how I'd say it. Thanks for pointing this out! I owe ya!
Thanks! I realized I could save the stock as an STL after watching an AutoCAD video, but never figured out how to load it into the setup. Looks like we tried similar things at first. Great job figuring it completely out.
John, your video's are always informative and inspiring. Keep up the great work!
Mr. Saunders, thank you so much. I have a bigger (12") part that needed this to avoid the flip operation milling alot (+3 hours worth) of air. And it's 3d, and there is a flip fixture to avoid. This is the answer. Gracias.
How did I not see this before?!?! What a time saver.
Importing as stl file works better, simply change units to mm when importing stl file, and it will auto-size. The above method only works with a 3D Adaptive, it does not work with a 2D Adaptive. Still, a very helpful video as always.
I didn't know about this!.. I've been making extra bodies in the model work space for stock. GREAT TIP!
thanks!
Hi John, bit of a moot point, but the sizing worked when doing it the other way.....but you have to be in mm. Put your CAM in mm, simulate, save stock, go into CAD....make sure it's in mm.....then do the import and convert to BREP......sizing and placement should be just fine. I don't work in mm, so it's a bit of a pain to change things back and forth. Looks like this method you found will be a lot easier to update!! Thank you! I'm sure I'll be trying it in the next hour or two. lol Mike
This method sometimes does not import the mesh aligned with the part. Sizing appears correct but the mesh is definitely not where it should be.
@@frijoli9579 Hablas español? a que te refieres con lo de la malla no alineada?
What do you mean by the non-aligned mesh?
Excellent stuff, John! This will be really useful once they get round to integrating it properly, which they surely must. I was wondering how to do this but I'd have struggled to work it out myself.
I could have used this on practically every part I've ever machined. Nice find!
Fusion update request!
One huge negative about fusion. Gibbscam has the ability to get a facet body right from the simulation that stays visible even when simulation is off. Its great to be able to see what your machining from what stock/ material you actually have.
Saw this on a HSM Friday webinar. Haven’t used it yet, but may come in handy with our new umc750ss!
I had seen that box before but since there was no browse button to locate the file I assumed it was broken lol. I usually just model a simplified version of what I know the next op should be seeing. I do believe there are plans for getting stock from one setup to another but who knows when that will happen...
Wow - thanks for your great videos!
Thanks a lot! I was looking for this one! Save me a lot of time!
Learned something today! Thanks John!
Small update for you folks:
You can now simply select the second setup stock option Mode = "From proceeding setup" and check "Continue Rest Machining".
Have you actually done this? I've tried it... nope.
Holy crap... I am going to use this RIGHT NOW.
I've used that method on some valves so adaptive didn't do so many air cuts when the pockets of the valve met a port that had been milled out in the previous op.
Definitely not an obvious thing to find. I would love to be able to set my stock in a setup folder to use the results of all the previous setups before it. That way if I changed an op in the previous setup fusion would alert me that I need to Regen the latter ops. Seems like that should not be a tough thing to implement. Basically what you did here, just automatically.
Not super useful for every job but I have quite a few valves that this would make my life so much easier on.
Dude, thanks a lot for this! I always wondered how yo make this easy!
Cool. Great tip. I do find this very clunky. Looking forward to trying it.
win! thanks for sharing this John!
I think they updated it and is more intuitive now
Thank you for this!! One quick question, does the "stock.stl" file have to remain in it's location and unchanged for future changed to the program or is it saved in Fusion somewhere?
Ok when I click rest machining I don't get the option to chose stock, min says tool diameter and corner radius.
How do I fix this
Cool! Didn't know.
That looks like it works for rest machining. What about designating stock for the entire second operation? I had done it before by running the first operation simulation. Saving as an STL file in that stock drop down menu, and then importing the STL back in and clicking that as my stock for the second operation. Is that improper?
Some say it is fine, some say it's a lazy way to do it that should not be done
That sounds like what I've done in the past. Not convenient, but it worked. The biggest hassle was having to re-import every time I made changes to the work in the earlier setup. The technique that John described involves fewer steps when you make changes - you still have to export the simulated stock result, but you don't have to upload & re-select the stock for the second setup.
I believe Lars Christensen covered this in a recent live stream
2 years later! here's a slightly more streamlined way to tackle this problem.
knowledge.autodesk.com/support/fusion-360/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/How-to-use-stock-from-previous-operation-within-a-new-setup-in-Fusion-360-Manufacturing.html
Yeah, I just did this today and it's (IMO) nice that this finally got added.
Ehhhhh so I lied (not really). While this is certainly in fusion, I ran the job a few hours after posting this and let's just say things were the hottest of messes. I'm not sure if I did something wrong, but I certainly assumed that the rest machining would be taken into consideration against my WCS point. I don't believe that was the case; after my facing operation completed my next roughing operation cut super deep into my material (it included the depth of material that was removed from the facing operation).
Fully aware this was probably more a me thing than anything else. I had zeroed to the machine bed for the facing operation (a cnc router) and then faced the material to thickness. Ran perfect. My next setup zeroed off the top of the new material (thinner now) but there was no way in Fusion that I could figure out to select a point on the new, carried over via Rest machining material like you would if you just used a new model (stl, etc.) and used that as your "new" material. I suspect this issue caused fusion / machine / me / everything to think the material was thicker than it really was, and my poor little ballnose endmill was like "what are you doing bruh?!?!"
In hindsight, I could have probably done a few things differently, and I'm debating how I want, or don't want, to use this moving forward.
Any other insight here would be super appreciated. I think it's a fantastic feature to have in fusion, and my simple brain is just missing something, probably obvious.
This is a great feature, but the workflow is terrible. Also this didn't work for me like it should. The software wants to re-machine the whole part rather than "rest machine" from previous stock. Did you have to do anything special for in "setup" under "stock" to make this work?
Thanks Johnny
Looks the 2 operations have the same setup coordinate systems? Does this technique work when an operation rotates the part 90 degress?
I wanted this to work so badly but when I try to 3D Adaptive and use "Rest Machining" I see the path generate to about 37% and then I get a RED exclamation with the Error: Internal CAM kernel error. Please report through your support channel. I have googled for a solution, however, none of the solutions resemble the situation I am in. Any chance this is an error due to the newest release (2-way adaptive)?
this is what i was missing, i was wondering why it mills everything again..I need to figure out how to do this on side 2, with through hole slots it will mill everything again...
Looks like they are millimeters away from making this an automated/integrated feature. Although it works, there are still a lot of steps....
Overall though....I am just about done with SolidWorks and MasterCAM. Both amazing pieces of software, but just too much money relative to what Autodesk is doing. I am an engineer and machinist - F360 will easily handle everything I design and manucacture.
its not working for me, i tryed both with duplicate first stock for the second one, and also create a new stock for second one with no material left over, and its still rest till the bottom of the part
That’s incredibly klunky.
Almost easier to just run adaptive paths and constrain them by levels or areas.
And the fact it doesn’t update is worse.
I saw that option but like you would save it and couldn’t find where the hell it went or how to get it to do anything useful.
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John, Thank you for sharing this information. I also tried to do this by importing the model and got frustrated with the scale and origin misalignment issues, so I will give this another shot and import the file directly into the setup config.
Also, anyone who cares about this functionality... please vote for it on the forum, link above. The feature request has existed since Aug 2015. I have no Idea why this has not been addressed yet. Seems like all of the the functionality already exists. It just needs to be wired up and UX needs to make some minor adjustments to the CAM config views to support it.
Maybe the API can be used to automate with a plugin. Its possible file watcher lib in python could be used to fire off updates to the downstream setups (pypi.python.org/pypi/filewatch/0.2.0) if the API allows access to this property. If I can get it working, I will share. This missing functionality is driving crazy! :)
.... see tip of fusion .. If you update the first , the second setup is wrong too / doesnt update automatically
This only works in certain scenarios. I do not understand why Autodesk does not add this correctly.
Bit of a kludge, but if it works it works.
Why is this not an option now?
This seems to no longer work now.
Just tried this... can confirm it's not working. When loading the stl from the previous operation, rest machining ignores what has already been machined and generates a toolpath from the stock setup.
Finally
Great video @NYCCNC ....Quick question on this... How do you do this if you have say 3 ops on just a milled part.. So when u flip part over and run simulation it continues to look proper and recognizes the extra material that needs to me faced off.... Here is a link to a practice part I did... a360.co/2qFZVEX Hope u have some time to take a look....... Thanks for all you do to help bring up this community.
Could easily be handled by a....LATHE....with live tools ;)
John doesn't have a lathe with live tools. So ya gotta work with what ya have. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Thank you for this comment. It'll apply one day...
WHAT DA?
That's like old as been doing that since it was added
This is outdated.