This is fantastic instruction. I have practiced hard to make the correct forehand swing 'shape' , but often get a blocked feeling when playing an actual game. I realize now, that I should be letting the shoulder relax at impact - rather than try and 'muscle' it through. I haven't been able to pin-point the exact problem and solution on my own. So thank you !
Great vid. I think it has to start with external rotation of the shoulder when relaxed. When I’m tight I stay internally rotated and end up pushing and spraying. This vid made me think of the Sampras FH. His shoulder seemed so tight and pulled up by his ear a lot and almost forced. But somehow had one of the best FH’s of all time. Best tennis channel always highly technical specific topics that little or no others post about.
Hats off , hats off Tom!! 👏👏👏, Did you know that I´ve watched this very video of Djokovic dozens + dozens of times in the last, Idk 3,4 years? (apart that Nole is my only favorite player basically bc of his forehand ☺) plus other ones in the same side view just to try to discover and ask myself like an anatomist, What does this guy do so beautifully and fluidlywell that others don´t ?(obviously different than the others or that looks different to me at least) that happens so inadvertently that I couldn´t figure out exactly what, couldn´t name one thing only... and you came here TODAY to point it out finally ha ha. I wasn´t born with clinical eyes for tennis for sure. I'm not unaware that the overrotation on the forehand is an issue that is so common and you even see in some top100s but in the case of Djokovic's motion, Do you also opine that to not overrotate (because in tennis it´s not a question of wishing given that the forehand comes like a wave o momentum) is mandatory that the non dominant arm & hand should be kind of tucked in at pec-height to act as "brake"? like it´s told by one coach out there ("dynamic brake" he says) or perhaps first of all it has to do with having the contact point very well set because if too in front or late then this shoulder stopping would fall apart. What do you say? And I guess I've attested to it every time 🤣!!
Since you are comparing shoulder movement between the 2, there's one difference there nobody notices or ever talks about. I'm a beginner and I've struggled with this for a long time and didn't know how to fix it. Luckily I'm an engineer and figured it out. On the forehand, people who hit it well, drop the hitting arm shoulder where both shoulders form a line that is at an angle to the ground. That lets you mechanically hit the ball. Your student keeps his shoulders parallel to the ground all the way through the stroke. Check other pros, look at your own forehand, you'll see it.
@@TomAllsopp What hood? Compton, Brownsville, Watts, E. St. Louis?? They really don't play tennis in the hood for the exception of the Williams sisters.😀
Could this shoulder issue be associated with t-Rex or hitting with elbow too close? I need to fix that & most pro’s say there’s not much I can do to fix unless I avoid playing matches, & may take months-1 year to fix :( any advice
@@TomAllsopp well, average is 5.12 inch so she definitely has a big appetite 😁. And Agassi said 6 inch before contact and 6 inch after contact, make sure to hit through the ball.
The shoulder hinge idea with a swinging arm is the most fundamental basis of the stroke and fighting against this hinge in a myriad of ways is the most common mistake - which is the fault of coaches
Tom- mogul step at 6:30 to 6:40 is perfect and exactly what this player should have done. You load on the right leg open stance, hit then hop sideways to dissipate remaining kinetic energy. I think you're splitting hairs here way too much
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I'm grateful to be working with you, Tom. This experience has been amazing. I'm getting better all the time.
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Big improvement
i shrug my shoulder when stroking and this is exactly what I need, thanks coach.
Super impressive to fix that shoulder so quickly.
Thank you Tom. Excellent insights as always. You are very good at teaching tennis.
Shoulder rotation great correction
This is fantastic instruction. I have practiced hard to make the correct forehand swing 'shape' , but often get a blocked feeling when playing an actual game. I realize now, that I should be letting the shoulder relax at impact - rather than try and 'muscle' it through. I haven't been able to pin-point the exact problem and solution on my own. So thank you !
Very good tips and adjustment. I think moving the hand to the throat of the racket will be very beneficial.
your student has a really nice forehand!
Great vid. I think it has to start with external rotation of the shoulder when relaxed. When I’m tight I stay internally rotated and end up pushing and spraying. This vid made me think of the Sampras FH. His shoulder seemed so tight and pulled up by his ear a lot and almost forced. But somehow had one of the best FH’s of all time. Best tennis channel always highly technical specific topics that little or no others post about.
Yes, he did do that. Good point. I also picked up his racket once and it was heavy enough to bench press haha.
Love your stuff. Pls keep the vids coming
Thanks mate. Keep supporting and I’ll keep posting
So greatfull and excellent👏👏
Hats off , hats off Tom!! 👏👏👏, Did you know that I´ve watched this very video of Djokovic dozens + dozens of times in the last, Idk 3,4 years? (apart that Nole is my only favorite player basically bc of his forehand ☺) plus other ones in the same side view just to try to discover and ask myself like an anatomist, What does this guy do so beautifully and fluidlywell that others don´t ?(obviously different than the others or that looks different to me at least) that happens so inadvertently that I couldn´t figure out exactly what, couldn´t name one thing only... and you came here TODAY to point it out finally ha ha.
I wasn´t born with clinical eyes for tennis for sure.
I'm not unaware that the overrotation on the forehand is an issue that is so common and you even see in some top100s but in the case of Djokovic's motion, Do you also opine that to not overrotate (because in tennis it´s not a question of wishing given that the forehand comes like a wave o momentum) is mandatory that the non dominant arm & hand should be kind of tucked in at pec-height to act as "brake"? like it´s told by one coach out there ("dynamic brake" he says) or perhaps first of all it has to do with having the contact point very well set because if too in front or late then this shoulder stopping would fall apart.
What do you say?
And I guess I've attested to it every time 🤣!!
Amazing change ! Congratulations 😊 And inspiring : I wonder if I could have the same kind of difficultly 😅
Relax and rotate, is the point?
Hey Tom
Could you make a forehand Video with a Timeline when you Start and stop and relax which bodypart. That would be great 🎉
sounds complicated
@@TomAllsopp give it a try
That Video would be a Never before thing in RUclips tennis
Any tips on how to get the shoulder to loosen up? Is it straightforward conscious decision-making?
Gotta feel it. Like if you were standing in the snow and I asked you to relax your tense shoulders you probably could.
Since you are comparing shoulder movement between the 2, there's one difference there nobody notices or ever talks about. I'm a beginner and I've struggled with this for a long time and didn't know how to fix it. Luckily I'm an engineer and figured it out. On the forehand, people who hit it well, drop the hitting arm shoulder where both shoulders form a line that is at an angle to the ground. That lets you mechanically hit the ball. Your student keeps his shoulders parallel to the ground all the way through the stroke. Check other pros, look at your own forehand, you'll see it.
The wrist should be in the neutral position before the forward swing (lag). Also its important to remember to fire the hip before the shoulder swing.
The hips don’t always need to be fired to achieve this shoulder rotation. They can’t always be fired.
@@TomAllsopp What hood? Compton, Brownsville, Watts, E. St. Louis?? They really don't play tennis in the hood for the exception of the Williams sisters.😀
Hips?
Edited haha
@@Keroppikun Yes If you're a righty on the FH side the right hip needs to fire (rotate) along with the swing progression ala Andy Murray
This is EXACTLY what my forehand looks like 😮
Could this shoulder issue be associated with t-Rex or hitting with elbow too close? I need to fix that & most pro’s say there’s not much I can do to fix unless I avoid playing matches, & may take months-1 year to fix :( any advice
@@lindatwinkles it sounds like you should ditch those coaches and sign up for my Video Analysis. what to answer your question, yes.
Is this shoulder rotation contradicting to the 6 inch contact zone idea? I feel the latter kinda prevents or delay the shoulder rotation
6 inch isn’t very big mate. That’s what she said. You can do both
@@TomAllsopp well, average is 5.12 inch so she definitely has a big appetite 😁. And Agassi said 6 inch before contact and 6 inch after contact, make sure to hit through the ball.
@@TomAllsoppI have the same exact problem. I think its the shoulder but also the wrist that gets stuck. 0:54 looks just like mine. 😢
But how do you practice Shoulder rotation?
Rotate the arm with the shoulder in its socket
The shoulder hinge idea with a swinging arm is the most fundamental basis of the stroke and fighting against this hinge in a myriad of ways is the most common mistake - which is the fault of coaches
Did you watch my latest video?
@@TomAllsopp ah. That was excellent!
Could he even pronate slightly earlier?
Who?
@@TomAllsopp the guy's forehand you video analyzed and advised....
@@kwansikkim8712 can’t pronate until the shoulder has stopped doing it’s thing.
@@TomAllsopp he corrected in his 2nd video after you gave tips, no? Anyway I thought he could even pronate earlier for mor spin and consistency....
@@kwansikkim8712 I think the shoulder still prevents it from being done earlier
Tom- mogul step at 6:30 to 6:40 is perfect and exactly what this player should have done. You load on the right leg open stance, hit then hop sideways to dissipate remaining kinetic energy. I think you're splitting hairs here way too much
Novak probably possesses the quickest SIR.
ISR - internal shoulder rotation.
@@topspin1715 🤷♂️Lol
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Your man looks too stiff and trying it too hard.