It doesn't seem like anyone is actually being controlled and your comment is stupid because technically without them the malignant AI would end everyone and none could do anything about it. Rache literally almost destroyed the whole world
The old net would destroy any new tech that touches it without consent! This was proven as given example netwatch and Bridgette with the rogue AI that's looks like Alt Cunningham. This I feel is more a matter of opinion....you ever play chess?
Definitely true. A lot of netrunners felt they had lost their previous freedom. And the establishment of Citinets allowed gangs, corps, etc to rule these networks how they wanted with no repercussions. Even when the I/G protocol net was opened back up, Netwatch had more control over it
@@JohnnySilverwrench The hell are you talking about? Bartmoss wanted a free net not a lack of it. What he did ensured that there were now only two ways this would end. The policed Net we have currently or the Dark Age where no one can use the net due to the rogue AIs.
@@LayedBackGamers there's even that journal entry or w/e from Murphy that like, during the Datakrash she's super excited and can't wait to see how much better things will be now that bartmoss did it. The very next entry starts like, 'We were so, so wrong.'
It's entertaining how little Bartmoss ACTUALLY cares about his life. Even in his physical death, he just sent a Lil message to Spider. Then in the event of his complete death, he just had a ton of trolls prepared
@@LayedBackGamers I feel like this is a theme with Pondsmith's flagship characters for a Role, they embody the lifestyle of what it takes to be the best version of it in the extreme. Just like Blackhand is the definition of a Solo, a deadly Knight of the Streets, Bartmoss eschews everything that has to do with the meatverse to the point of being considered inhuman and weird by his peers.
I hope you all enjoyed the video and learned something new about Bartmoss & the Cyberpunk World. Let me know all your thoughts down below and make sure to have a great week chooms! See ya later. REPOSTED BECAUSE OF AUDIO OVERLAPS IN ORIGINAL - I may or may not have been baby talking my cat "Zuko" Don't forget to use CODE: "LAYEDBACKGAMERS" for any Gfuel purchases for 20% off and to Support my Content!
So my theory on bartmoss hasn't changed. I believe alt,spider, and bartmoss are trying to end it all or take it over! Bartmoss uses the cats as eyes as we know Nibbles is a descendants of deathwish! Be really funny since the cat that seen multiple attempts and actual murders all surrounding main characters....things to consider! Yeah his physical old body is fried but as we know no one is who they say or seem...hell even Lizzy Wizzy husband wanted to decomish and "remake" her into his vision. The more you pay attention...
Characters like Bartmoss are the best to learn about. You see what kind of world he lives in, and you immediately start rooting for him. The Netrunner that gives the corps a run for their money. Sometimes literally. His beliefs and ideals are completely valid and true. Bartmoss may have a really good point. maybe power shouldn't be in the hands of large corps with no regards to humanitarian rights. But then that classic Cyberpunk narrative comes creeping in to twist things up. The guy you think is gonna change things around, well.... turns out he'd rather nuke the net than see it under anyone's rule. Bartmoss saw the corps as bullies throwing sand in the play pen. Bartmoss's plan was to flood the sandbox entirely so no one else could grab a fist of sand to sling. But in the end, the sandbox is fucked. Never to recover. And all parties involved aren't even at square one anymore. On one hand, he did what he set out to do and succeeded. Every secret exposed, every file open on the table. On the other, the next few decades are full of strife and chaos. A new wild AI hits the block, and most of the old world's knowledge is lost to the other side of the Blackwall. Was it worth it? And the answer is real ugly and jagged.
I'm really starting to think Bartmoss is going to play a bigger part in the story in the sequel. I'm wondering if maybe "he" could even be the voice we hear from the haunted weapons we get in Phantom Liberty, or at least something based on his conscience. I have nothing to back that up, of course. Just a suspicion. I think it's more likely than not he is still around in some shape or form on the Net. He felt more at home there than he did in the real world. Considering all the safe guards he placed in his physical location, it'd make sense he placed them in the Net as well. Of course, who knows if that body we find is even Bartmoss. Even R. Talsorian Games said in a tweet earlier this year we should maybe doubt the validity of that claim, reminding us Johnny isn't the most trustworthy narrator. Whatever the case, Bartmoss and Spider Murphy are my two favorite people to learn about from the lore. While playing Phantom Liberty there is one point when you're meeting with Hansen while disguised and his guys referred to his 2nd in command as Murphy. I about jumped outta my chair but then realized they were talking about a different Murphy. CDPR knew what they were doing to us there, lol.
I've honestly always felt like the body we found wasn't Bartmoss at all. The deck we pull off the body was old, sure, but no matter how high your level is, the daemon you pull off it is always a daemon we already knew about or even perhaps had ourselves. It's not new or different or unique, it's just some regular degular quickhack. Realizing that immediately made me suspicious that the corpse wasn't Bartmoss. With the Talsorian tweet factored in, it seems even more likely that Johnny's word is dubious and that the corpse likely isn't Rache. 🤨
@@HOIIIYEAAsee this choom gets it....even if it was his body he had enough time to "soul killed" himself onto the net...yeah bartmoss wore parts of him thin that turned into rabbids, but I think there's enough data out there like Silverhand and Alt Cunningham that if brought back to the "original host" or a sustainable "replicant" that the data can be transferred over. Vs then wouldn't have a memory overload (like seen on Johnny Mnemonic) that could possibly save his/her life! Just theorizing here lol
@@thadeusilva8907 I had the same feeling for quite a while now! Seeing how bartmoss and personality are close as well as now a few more key characters being oddly similar to those from the ttrpgs! Idk I guess we'll wait and see what the future shapes in Orion! 🤘🦾🗽
I like how Somi calls him a paranoid clown, Bart would like it hell he'd construct an avatar that acts like Pennywise, cause the bastard if he were alive and present would probably be the only one capable of curing her without all the shady shit in the background. Hell I'd like to think Bartmoss probably knew the corporation would try to create their own net, which is where the blue eyed ones come in perhaps along the line the so called imaginary friends he's made all the way up to adult hood weren't all that schizophrenic at all; perhaps with his insane talent and how young he was, he just like V is a perfect vessel for whatever the hell the Net AI's actually are. Whether Bartmoss is dead or not the man's legacy is terrifying and the scariest implication is he could still be out there beyomd the Blackwall a copy of his engram? Who knows the guy was beyond a genius.
Did anyone notice theres was more details into the Hellman convo?! How on like they wanted to upload the engram to a dead body it was already familiar with?! How did Saka find the unknown container then, unless its a replicant body?....If you didnt hear this replay that part and listen to all blue dialogue! If you mess up reload or ill have takemura give you buckets of water!
Rache could still be an partial personality engram a shallow imprint not worthy of being called an AI a ghost hiding in the net…looking for a way to defragment itself. Perhaps it even found a way and it escaped to the old net.
I'm glad ur channel is growing as it deserves to ur lore is fantastic and ur content is great for such a small creator with the release of phantom liberty and my purchase and playing the game ur content has become essential tyvm
🦾🍻🎉hell yeah choom it's great to see more and more chooms following this man as well! All y'all's input does really go into his videos! Mans a Night City Lore Legend!
I love how you just find him in a fridge out in the dumping field, and he just allowed crops to have more control over the net. I just find that really funny that the one that caused the datakrash just found there.
I've been wanting to jump into Baldurs gate, Witcher, and starfield. My main fear is not doing these games justice due to my own lack of familiarity. It will take a lot of studying up to make proper videos on them!
as far as i know the only part of the cybergeneration sourcebook that is confirmed to be retconned is the literal last paragraph of the last page or something like that, the rest is still canon.
Hmm, could it be that Rache planned the net to die with him? If he was as powerful as he got one can only wonder how far other runners could go with a full fledged net. Of course we get the motive of how he as an individual tried to overthrow the system in cyberpunk - we all know how that goes - but still, he made conflicts all the more personal, one could say all the more human.
What about the part where Bartmoss recalls being a woman? It seems like he may have use soulkiller in the past and have a secret female identity. I wonder if he has any ties to Lucy or if he is Lucy...
I saw on another comment saying that he is the perfect fit for the “chaotic neutral” role and I agree I think he just didn’t care what was going to happen and wanted to make sure everyone knew he was the best and can do something no other net runner can do
They should make a dlc and name it LEGENDS, and set it before 2077 by a long time like we would play different periods of time since the first legend , like with johnny and morgan and bartmoss , only if gaunter o'dimm was real so i can wish for this
The Irony that Rache ended up closer to being a corpo than he would have ever thought. He thought no one else understood the net like he did, no one else could properly set the future of the net besides him… Meanwhile these are all the exact thoughts the corpo’s had about the net.
Thank you so much. I was reading the closed captions and it said conact. It was definitely ConApt. I enjoy your content style. Thank you and have a great day!
Ahh yes finally! The god of the internet Rache Bartmoss! I believe he lives on may it not be a physical body. No but, major hyper data traveling through beyond the blackwall! Possibly, on a mission with Alt Cunningham, spider Murphy, and whatever other chooms crossed over?! All I know is bartmoss is to fucking goofy no to include in Orion his seriousness with comic relief makes him even deadlier imo!
I think that there should be a show made about him. Anime or live action, I think it would go VERY well. I mean, if you've watched Mr Robot, you'll know that the studio making the Cyberpunk live action could pull it off.
@@LayedBackGamerschoom I know! I can't wait for something....shit I'm still waiting for more info on the blackhand diaries....maybe the edgerunners ttrpg....I'm looking forward to a lot! 😂
14;00 My wild guess is when the. Cyberpunk Red Netrunning expansion book they'll explain his upgrade. My hope is they have a Scream Sheet or a full Module where we can be part of the Rise of the Black Wall. Love the channel. LET'S GO 15K. May you hit this week.
Little did he know, all he did was give the corps an even better, fractured, Net to control people with.
It doesn't seem like anyone is actually being controlled and your comment is stupid because technically without them the malignant AI would end everyone and none could do anything about it. Rache literally almost destroyed the whole world
The old net would destroy any new tech that touches it without consent! This was proven as given example netwatch and Bridgette with the rogue AI that's looks like Alt Cunningham. This I feel is more a matter of opinion....you ever play chess?
Definitely true. A lot of netrunners felt they had lost their previous freedom. And the establishment of Citinets allowed gangs, corps, etc to rule these networks how they wanted with no repercussions. Even when the I/G protocol net was opened back up, Netwatch had more control over it
@@JohnnySilverwrench The hell are you talking about? Bartmoss wanted a free net not a lack of it. What he did ensured that there were now only two ways this would end. The policed Net we have currently or the Dark Age where no one can use the net due to the rogue AIs.
@@LayedBackGamers there's even that journal entry or w/e from Murphy that like, during the Datakrash she's super excited and can't wait to see how much better things will be now that bartmoss did it.
The very next entry starts like, 'We were so, so wrong.'
The whole theatricality of how he initiated the DataKrash, full of flags, the Ode to Joy and confetti was hilarious
It's entertaining how little Bartmoss ACTUALLY cares about his life. Even in his physical death, he just sent a Lil message to Spider. Then in the event of his complete death, he just had a ton of trolls prepared
@@LayedBackGamers I feel like this is a theme with Pondsmith's flagship characters for a Role, they embody the lifestyle of what it takes to be the best version of it in the extreme. Just like Blackhand is the definition of a Solo, a deadly Knight of the Streets, Bartmoss eschews everything that has to do with the meatverse to the point of being considered inhuman and weird by his peers.
"Have a cookie" 💀
@@johnecoapollo7 "meatverse"
I REALLY want to see a series about the Alt/Rache/Spider era of Netrunning. Animated, live action, whatever, I think it would be badass.
Never live action. 🤢
I hope you all enjoyed the video and learned something new about Bartmoss & the Cyberpunk World. Let me know all your thoughts down below and make sure to have a great week chooms! See ya later.
REPOSTED BECAUSE OF AUDIO OVERLAPS IN ORIGINAL - I may or may not have been baby talking my cat "Zuko"
Don't forget to use CODE: "LAYEDBACKGAMERS" for any Gfuel purchases for 20% off and to Support my Content!
How dare you remove that
It was an iconic part of the Lore
Now thew newbies will never know
😂 I've listen to that, tought it added to it. Bartmoss would appreciate the craziness...
Was mid a watch and i didnt get to hear it. Damn shoulda tested those timestamps
So my theory on bartmoss hasn't changed. I believe alt,spider, and bartmoss are trying to end it all or take it over! Bartmoss uses the cats as eyes as we know Nibbles is a descendants of deathwish! Be really funny since the cat that seen multiple attempts and actual murders all surrounding main characters....things to consider! Yeah his physical old body is fried but as we know no one is who they say or seem...hell even Lizzy Wizzy husband wanted to decomish and "remake" her into his vision. The more you pay attention...
Bartmoss would have approved of the baby talking to your cat, it should have stayed in.
Characters like Bartmoss are the best to learn about. You see what kind of world he lives in, and you immediately start rooting for him. The Netrunner that gives the corps a run for their money. Sometimes literally. His beliefs and ideals are completely valid and true. Bartmoss may have a really good point. maybe power shouldn't be in the hands of large corps with no regards to humanitarian rights.
But then that classic Cyberpunk narrative comes creeping in to twist things up. The guy you think is gonna change things around, well.... turns out he'd rather nuke the net than see it under anyone's rule.
Bartmoss saw the corps as bullies throwing sand in the play pen. Bartmoss's plan was to flood the sandbox entirely so no one else could grab a fist of sand to sling. But in the end, the sandbox is fucked. Never to recover. And all parties involved aren't even at square one anymore.
On one hand, he did what he set out to do and succeeded. Every secret exposed, every file open on the table. On the other, the next few decades are full of strife and chaos. A new wild AI hits the block, and most of the old world's knowledge is lost to the other side of the Blackwall.
Was it worth it? And the answer is real ugly and jagged.
Well that depends on how you look at things, from a certain point of view…. In my opinion, I can understand Rache’s idea but I don’t agree.
I'm really starting to think Bartmoss is going to play a bigger part in the story in the sequel. I'm wondering if maybe "he" could even be the voice we hear from the haunted weapons we get in Phantom Liberty, or at least something based on his conscience. I have nothing to back that up, of course. Just a suspicion. I think it's more likely than not he is still around in some shape or form on the Net. He felt more at home there than he did in the real world. Considering all the safe guards he placed in his physical location, it'd make sense he placed them in the Net as well.
Of course, who knows if that body we find is even Bartmoss. Even R. Talsorian Games said in a tweet earlier this year we should maybe doubt the validity of that claim, reminding us Johnny isn't the most trustworthy narrator. Whatever the case, Bartmoss and Spider Murphy are my two favorite people to learn about from the lore. While playing Phantom Liberty there is one point when you're meeting with Hansen while disguised and his guys referred to his 2nd in command as Murphy. I about jumped outta my chair but then realized they were talking about a different Murphy. CDPR knew what they were doing to us there, lol.
I've honestly always felt like the body we found wasn't Bartmoss at all. The deck we pull off the body was old, sure, but no matter how high your level is, the daemon you pull off it is always a daemon we already knew about or even perhaps had ourselves. It's not new or different or unique, it's just some regular degular quickhack. Realizing that immediately made me suspicious that the corpse wasn't Bartmoss. With the Talsorian tweet factored in, it seems even more likely that Johnny's word is dubious and that the corpse likely isn't Rache. 🤨
@@HOIIIYEAAsee this choom gets it....even if it was his body he had enough time to "soul killed" himself onto the net...yeah bartmoss wore parts of him thin that turned into rabbids, but I think there's enough data out there like Silverhand and Alt Cunningham that if brought back to the "original host" or a sustainable "replicant" that the data can be transferred over. Vs then wouldn't have a memory overload (like seen on Johnny Mnemonic) that could possibly save his/her life! Just theorizing here lol
Maybe he could have something to do with Mr Blue Eyes? The whole Peralez Arch smells "Bartmoss" to me...
@@thadeusilva8907 I had the same feeling for quite a while now! Seeing how bartmoss and personality are close as well as now a few more key characters being oddly similar to those from the ttrpgs! Idk I guess we'll wait and see what the future shapes in Orion! 🤘🦾🗽
@AnomalyArcadie john9had no issue identifying him, so I'm sure that wa bartmoss.
Amazing to hear how one man changed the world. Definitely someone who fits into the Chaotic Neutral category.
I like how Somi calls him a paranoid clown, Bart would like it hell he'd construct an avatar that acts like Pennywise, cause the bastard if he were alive and present would probably be the only one capable of curing her without all the shady shit in the background. Hell I'd like to think Bartmoss probably knew the corporation would try to create their own net, which is where the blue eyed ones come in perhaps along the line the so called imaginary friends he's made all the way up to adult hood weren't all that schizophrenic at all; perhaps with his insane talent and how young he was, he just like V is a perfect vessel for whatever the hell the Net AI's actually are. Whether Bartmoss is dead or not the man's legacy is terrifying and the scariest implication is he could still be out there beyomd the Blackwall a copy of his engram? Who knows the guy was beyond a genius.
Did anyone notice theres was more details into the Hellman convo?! How on like they wanted to upload the engram to a dead body it was already familiar with?! How did Saka find the unknown container then, unless its a replicant body?....If you didnt hear this replay that part and listen to all blue dialogue! If you mess up reload or ill have takemura give you buckets of water!
Rache could still be an partial personality engram a shallow imprint not worthy of being called an AI a ghost hiding in the net…looking for a way to defragment itself. Perhaps it even found a way and it escaped to the old net.
I'm glad ur channel is growing as it deserves to ur lore is fantastic and ur content is great for such a small creator with the release of phantom liberty and my purchase and playing the game ur content has become essential tyvm
🦾🍻🎉hell yeah choom it's great to see more and more chooms following this man as well! All y'all's input does really go into his videos! Mans a Night City Lore Legend!
Thanks a lot for the support choom! Glad I could be of help while you play through Phantom Liberty
cheers for these vids bro. hope you do one on cyberpunk red and where night city generally was in 2045
Bartmoss could maybe be Mr Blue Eyes? Maybe like an AI from his late date with Spider Murphy version? Peralez Quest smells Bartmoss to me...
Could be the man at the beginning of the game.
I love how you just find him in a fridge out in the dumping field, and he just allowed crops to have more control over the net. I just find that really funny that the one that caused the datakrash just found there.
The corps are in control until those Rogue AI keep coming in waves passing through The Blackwall then eventually everyone is screwed
you def deserve more attention for your videos choom, keep it going
Good content as always
Thank you choom, I love creating these videos
nice vid choom, already waiting for the next vid 👑
Lore drop lore drop! Gotta adore these!
Love these lore videos
I would love to see you make these kind of lore videos about baldurs gate 3 😂🙏🏼
I've been wanting to jump into Baldurs gate, Witcher, and starfield. My main fear is not doing these games justice due to my own lack of familiarity. It will take a lot of studying up to make proper videos on them!
@@LayedBackGamers I have no doubt that anything you you decide would be fine and I will watch it 😇
BEST CHOOM ON THE OLD NET 😏😏😏🤘
All you chooms are far better than I am!
as far as i know the only part of the cybergeneration sourcebook that is confirmed to be retconned is the literal last paragraph of the last page or something like that, the rest is still canon.
Hmm, could it be that Rache planned the net to die with him? If he was as powerful as he got one can only wonder how far other runners could go with a full fledged net. Of course we get the motive of how he as an individual tried to overthrow the system in cyberpunk - we all know how that goes - but still, he made conflicts all the more personal, one could say all the more human.
Another great video! Keep it up!
What about the part where Bartmoss recalls being a woman? It seems like he may have use soulkiller in the past and have a secret female identity. I wonder if he has any ties to Lucy or if he is Lucy...
I’m curious if Mr Bartmoss knew what he pulls happen when he unlesashes the virus. Kinda did the opposite of what he was meaning to do.
I saw on another comment saying that he is the perfect fit for the “chaotic neutral” role and I agree I think he just didn’t care what was going to happen and wanted to make sure everyone knew he was the best and can do something no other net runner can do
Great video choom
They should make a dlc and name it LEGENDS, and set it before 2077 by a long time like we would play different periods of time since the first legend , like with johnny and morgan and bartmoss , only if gaunter o'dimm was real so i can wish for this
My biggest wish for the Orion is to have braindances to play. Of course this would include playing as Legends.
@@LayedBackGamers that's a great idea actually , watching bd's would make more sense too
The Irony that Rache ended up closer to being a corpo than he would have ever thought.
He thought no one else understood the net like he did, no one else could properly set the future of the net besides him…
Meanwhile these are all the exact thoughts the corpo’s had about the net.
Preem deetz Choom.
Nah bro got his girl stole by himself that crazy
Hi what do you mean when you say the conact that his body is located at? Thank you.
Not sure what portion of the video you mean but i was likely taking about the Conapt he lived in. Which is an apartment style building choom!
Thank you so much. I was reading the closed captions and it said conact. It was definitely ConApt. I enjoy your content style. Thank you and have a great day!
Ahh yes finally! The god of the internet Rache Bartmoss! I believe he lives on may it not be a physical body. No but, major hyper data traveling through beyond the blackwall! Possibly, on a mission with Alt Cunningham, spider Murphy, and whatever other chooms crossed over?! All I know is bartmoss is to fucking goofy no to include in Orion his seriousness with comic relief makes him even deadlier imo!
I think that there should be a show made about him. Anime or live action, I think it would go VERY well. I mean, if you've watched Mr Robot, you'll know that the studio making the Cyberpunk live action could pull it off.
@@LayedBackGamerschoom I know! I can't wait for something....shit I'm still waiting for more info on the blackhand diaries....maybe the edgerunners ttrpg....I'm looking forward to a lot! 😂
14;00 My wild guess is when the. Cyberpunk Red Netrunning expansion book they'll explain his upgrade. My hope is they have a Scream Sheet or a full Module where we can be part of the Rise of the Black Wall. Love the channel. LET'S GO 15K. May you hit this week.
12:14 rough
He’s such a silly guy
A very silly dude, I hope he doesn't get up to any crazy shenanigans.
first !
Damn choom beat Raging?! Is this a new era?!😂😂🎉