I know a lady who's partner hung himself in their own home, only last year in fact. He was only in his early 50s, and from what we can gather must have suffered from deep depression and was always unhappy with things in his life. Sadly he left a young son behind and of course his partner, who is still grieving. They were not a happy couple, but they had been together for many years, and I guess even though they were not happy, probably still loved each other. He did not leave a note or anything explaining why he was killing himself. I met this man a few times in my life and he was a gentle and kind soul in life. It puzzles me why he didn't leave an explanation for his family as to why he was leaving them. A terribly sad situation, and the interview above gives me hope that he will one day be reunited with his family. From personal experience, I have had 2 Out of Body Experiences. I entered a reality more real than my current waking reality. It was a very bizarre and moving experience. I am certain consciousness survives the death of the body.
They are buried as natural human bodies, but they will be raised as spiritual bodies. For just as there are natural bodies, there are also spiritual bodies. (1 Corinthians 15:44)
My sister committed suicide on 02/02/03 at age 33yrs old after her lifelong battle with major depression, and having tried every treatment available (even the most extreme) I had some amazing, nearly unbelievable experiences, starting that same day! While we all wish our loved ones never chose this route, I can assure you 💯 that no matter what the circumstances were and no matter why they did it, we WILL see them again and they DO return "home"! God is our Heavenly Father, and what parent would turn their back on their child forever? We'll never understand the reason why God allows some people to remain in Heaven after taking their own life and why some get a second chance here on earth, but regardless of the outcome, no one should EVER worry because we will be together again someday! For us, it seems like an eternity, but for them, it's only a brief moment that we're apart. In the end we understand everything! ❤
I never heard an account as stern as this before. Other spiritual experiencers of suicide usually describe more unconditional compassion and gentle loving understanding over there
@@nnjack9931 I do not agree that we believe what they already believe. For myself, I have to hear an experience many, many times before I begin to consider it true. As for this NDE, I have never heard this type of account before, so I will wait to hear it about 20 more times before I begin to consider it true.
This woman didn't have a NDE and go over there and talk with them. I do not believe she knows. I feel what she experienced is based on her own religious belief system. I do believe in assisted suicide for those who are suffering terribly. You can bet that I want that option should it ever be needed! This is a fear-mongering video!
Thank you for this illuminating discussion with Elisabeth. It's good to see you again! Your interviewing techniques are kind yet very deep. Elisabeth brought so much light and understanding to suicide. This act has touched all of our lives and the sadness and loss it creates. It is at epidemic proportions as depression and confusion grow. The clarity of medium connection gives us a greater understanding of the soul journey and that there is no judgment in the spiritual afterlife. It helps us ALL understand that suicide is NOT the answer and to reach out with love to those who struggle in life.
Many spirits communicating through mediums have said that those who take their own lives through suicide are NOT treated any differently than others. This world is a very evil place and if someone wants to leave it that is perfectly understandable. I plan on taking my own life when I grow too old to care for myself or if I am diagnoses with a fatal disease before that. The other side is pure bliss and anyone left behind on the earth will soon get over one's death. A few who have had NDEs were given a choice to stay or go back. One man says to this day he regrets coming back, even though his death would have grieved his parents greatly. People are resilient. They soon forget all about you after your death and if you have no closeness with anyone on the earth, you will not be missed, believe me. Better to live in paradise than in this hell we call the earth.
You seem to "know"" a lot of things that are unknowable. For example, I can personally testify that people do "suffer greatly" and do not get over it soon. This is more true if the loved one died by suicide. There is a lot of evil here on earth. Looking for good and expressing gratitude for it, can change one's perspective and lead to feeilng better about the whole thing. Peace and love to you dear ❤
uhlijohn, I have been watching Near Death Experiences' stories (and similar) on various RUclips channels for the past 6 Years but I have never heard anyone talking about Lawyers and Tribunals in the Afterlife as Ms. Elisabeth Vonderau seems to be doing here, although I must admit I did suspect and felt through my continuous thinking about the Afterlife subject, there might indeed be Tribunals up there. Well, it is definitely NOT a good news that there are/might be Lawyers and Tribunals in the Afterlife, as this further proves to me that We will not be free to act as we feel and like even when we have passed over. Even there there are Rules and Laws. How sad that is! I imagine life in the Other Side to be certainly better and less painful than Planet Earth, but I am afraid to say the Other Side might not be "pure bliss" as you say. I imagine life over there to be somewhat influenced by some degree of existential unrest and dissatisfaction. But, of course, I hope I am completely wrong and that you are completely right.
@@holly_kay5570 Those people who mourn excessively over the passing of anyone, whether by suicide or other causes, simply do not know the bliss and joy of being on the other side. Otherwise they would not mourn so. I did NOT shed one tear when by parents died because I knew they were in paradise. My mother, through a famous medium, told me, "I am now on the vacation I never knew on earth." That is quite a testimonial!
@@benedettobruno1669 I base my opinions on what spirits have told us through mediums such as the great medium Leslie Flint. Are there consequences for evil deeds committed against others on earth? YES! Ellen Terry, the famous actress, told us that evil people go to a lower sphere of darkness but NOT a hell. She emphatically stated that there is no hell. You cannot commit evil against yourself. Only against others. If you take your own life because you are ill, mentally or physically, there are NO consequences for that. Even if you are not ill and just want to escape an evil environment, which is earth, then that is fine. Earth has much beauty but it is despoiled by evil people who want power over us to work their evil deeds, such as politicians who lust after war and destruction.
I'm uncomfortable with the harshness of this testimony. Some truths are harsh and still need to be heard, but there is something very reductionistic about the fates of the people who took their lives. A type of transactive justice to it, which, in my experience has nothing to do with Grace and the incomprehensible Love of the Transcendent Divine.
I don't believe her. My grandmother took her own life. I dreamt of her living in a nice house in a nice neighborhood with my cousin who was murdered a few years before. I started to take my life when one of my children died suddenly. I know God would have understood and have been compassionate.
I believe her, although this is her personal perception of her experience. It does not mean that everyone experiences or sees or senses or feels the same things. Death is not a one size fits all
I have a lot of out of body experiences and I saw many people in the low astral completely in distress. This is something I canot explain because I known our heavenly Father/Mother is pure love and compassion. So I make up this hipotesis: people go where their energy is. If someone dies in sadness and regrets, they maybe will go to the place of sadness and regrets energy. Everybody can be rescued from these places, but they must ask for help, they must want to live, because we have free will. That doesn't mean spirituality would like to see someone leaving earth before the contracted time. But I don't believe in punishment. We punish ourselves. Some of the people that I saw in my astral voyages, are so confused. They don't know they are dead. They think they are in a nightmare. One of the most renowned astral voyager from Brasil (I'm brasilian, by the way), Waldo Vieira, used to say that light beings have many energy, but they don't have telluric energy, which is produced by human bodies. He used to say that for those who are lost in low astral planes, they need telluric energy to become aware, otherwise they will continue to think they are dreaming. That's why sometimes we dream of rescuing someone. Waldo also used to say that astral voyagers can help these people by donating energy. I don't know if he was right, but I've seen people in distress in the low astral plane and it always puzzled me. Anyway: praying for those who died from taking their own lives, or those who died in disbelief, or very suddenly, is a good thing. We should do it more often.
I think taken one life or someone else is wrong… suffering is part of learning.there are a few times in my life I wanted to checked out do to suffering circumstances. I am very glad I didn’t.Now those situations seems small and learned good lessons. Now I said to my self I will be in this world until my soul or body cannot be here no more….
This sounds much more believable with regards to suicide and its consequences. Free will comes with a catch, its called 'personal responsibility'. I always instinctively knew i wouldnt be able to escape my problems through suicide and it seems my intuition was right. I know many people listening to this video wont like hearing it.
‘You need help. You need to get help’…. We can tell you’re not from the US, that psychological in-patient service costs about $30-50,000 per month here, lol 😝 The US hates its citizens 😘
I enjoy your shows but have to say that nothing is as black and white as this subject. If researched fully, from texts written 5,000 years ago found in Egypt of 'The world weary man and his Ba' - to Yogic sciences (to this day) - and so on and so forth, for some the test is precisely to be brave enough to pass through the veil as a conscious act. Of course, such an exit has to be fully explored first with a shamanic person, but it really is cruel/hurtful to imply that some of the ideas presented here are fact/true. Secondly; do you drive too fast - do wreckless things sometimes - smoke - whatever (this entire planetary structure is suicidal) and could this not be classed as a form of suicide? With 32-years of being in mental health and 22 as a full time psychotherapist in London, in has to be said that if I can have deep compassion and understanding for those that leave in this way (or want to), then how much more loving awareness does Creation have for its off-spring?
It should be mandatory to be taught in schools, in churches and in every day life from an early age that earth is a school and we are all in it to complete the studies and learn the meaning of our own appointed tasks. We should be taught that to voluntarily leave the tasks meant to be lived until the end appointed, it is a grave act against our own selves.
I agree that earth is a school of sorts. However, I don't believe it should be "taught" so-to-speak. I believe we're all at various levels of understanding based on where each of us needs to be and the lessons we need to learn here so nothing should be "forced" on us. But I absolutely believe coming to earth is comparable to going away to school/college. Personally, I'm so happy to have the understanding that I do! 😊
It's not so simple that after you die you go to heaven and you're with God. After you leave the body you go where your state of evolution dictates. Just like life here. You can be in all kinds of different circumstances, all kinds of different levels of life from very poor to rich to very difficult or very easy. To use an analogy- you don't go from first grade into PhD program. You have to go through different levels of schooling to ultimately graduate at PhD level. When people commit suicide/ take their own lives/ murder themselves basically then there's a price to pay for that. There's not a one-size-fits-all result of that. This medium gives some very important insights into the process. And she is not alone. Hundreds of other mediums have told of their similar experiences.
They are buried as natural human bodies, but they will be raised as spiritual bodies. For just as there are natural bodies, there are also spiritual bodies. (1 Corinthians 15:44)
I know a lady who's partner hung himself in their own home, only last year in fact. He was only in his early 50s, and from what we can gather must have suffered from deep depression and was always unhappy with things in his life. Sadly he left a young son behind and of course his partner, who is still grieving. They were not a happy couple, but they had been together for many years, and I guess even though they were not happy, probably still loved each other. He did not leave a note or anything explaining why he was killing himself. I met this man a few times in my life and he was a gentle and kind soul in life. It puzzles me why he didn't leave an explanation for his family as to why he was leaving them. A terribly sad situation, and the interview above gives me hope that he will one day be reunited with his family. From personal experience, I have had 2 Out of Body Experiences. I entered a reality more real than my current waking reality. It was a very bizarre and moving experience. I am certain consciousness survives the death of the body.
He never left a note because he never loved his family and didn't care about them. He most probably was depressed because of them.
They are buried as natural human bodies, but they will be raised as spiritual bodies. For just as there are natural bodies, there are also spiritual bodies. (1 Corinthians 15:44)
Everything is okay.
@@TheSoulBlossomobviously you don't have any idea what depression is.
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My sister committed suicide on 02/02/03 at age 33yrs old after her lifelong battle with major depression, and having tried every treatment available (even the most extreme) I had some amazing, nearly unbelievable experiences, starting that same day!
While we all wish our loved ones never chose this route, I can assure you 💯 that no matter what the circumstances were and no matter why they did it, we WILL see them again and they DO return "home"!
God is our Heavenly Father, and what parent would turn their back on their child forever?
We'll never understand the reason why God allows some people to remain in Heaven after taking their own life and why some get a second chance here on earth, but regardless of the outcome, no one should EVER worry because we will be together again someday!
For us, it seems like an eternity, but for them, it's only a brief moment that we're apart. In the end we understand everything! ❤
I never heard an account as stern as this before. Other spiritual experiencers of suicide usually describe more unconditional compassion and gentle loving understanding over there
I feel like you get what you already believe. It's the same here in earth. And as with all NDE's or spiritual experiences, they are THEIR experience.
@@nnjack9931 I do not agree that we believe what they already believe. For myself, I have to hear an experience many, many times before I begin to consider it true. As for this NDE, I have never heard this type of account before, so I will wait to hear it about 20 more times before I begin to consider it true.
This woman didn't have a NDE and go over there and talk with them. I do not believe she knows. I feel what she experienced is based on her own religious belief system. I do believe in assisted suicide for those who are suffering terribly. You can bet that I want that option should it ever be needed! This is a fear-mongering video!
Thank you for this illuminating discussion with Elisabeth. It's good to see you again! Your interviewing techniques are kind yet very deep. Elisabeth brought so much light and understanding to suicide. This act has touched all of our lives and the sadness and loss it creates. It is at epidemic proportions as depression and confusion grow. The clarity of medium connection gives us a greater understanding of the soul journey and that there is no judgment in the spiritual afterlife. It helps us ALL understand that suicide is NOT the answer and to reach out with love to those who struggle in life.
Many spirits communicating through mediums have said that those who take their own lives through suicide are NOT treated any differently than others. This world is a very evil place and if someone wants to leave it that is perfectly understandable. I plan on taking my own life when I grow too old to care for myself or if I am diagnoses with a fatal disease before that. The other side is pure bliss and anyone left behind on the earth will soon get over one's death. A few who have had NDEs were given a choice to stay or go back. One man says to this day he regrets coming back, even though his death would have grieved his parents greatly. People are resilient. They soon forget all about you after your death and if you have no closeness with anyone on the earth, you will not be missed, believe me. Better to live in paradise than in this hell we call the earth.
You seem to "know"" a lot of things that are unknowable. For example, I can personally testify that people do "suffer greatly" and do not get over it soon. This is more true if the loved one died by suicide. There is a lot of evil here on earth. Looking for good and expressing gratitude for it, can change one's perspective and lead to feeilng better about the whole thing. Peace and love to you dear ❤
uhlijohn,
I have been watching Near Death Experiences' stories (and similar) on various RUclips channels for the past 6 Years but I have never heard anyone talking about Lawyers and Tribunals in the Afterlife as Ms. Elisabeth Vonderau seems to be doing here, although I must admit I did suspect and felt through my continuous thinking about the Afterlife subject, there might indeed be Tribunals up there.
Well, it is definitely NOT a good news that there are/might be Lawyers and Tribunals in the Afterlife, as this further proves to me that We will not be free to act as we feel and like even when we have passed over. Even there there are Rules and Laws. How sad that is!
I imagine life in the Other Side to be certainly better and less painful than Planet Earth, but I am afraid to say the Other Side might not be "pure bliss" as you say.
I imagine life over there to be somewhat influenced by some degree of existential unrest and dissatisfaction. But, of course, I hope I am completely wrong and that you are completely right.
@@holly_kay5570 Those people who mourn excessively over the passing of anyone, whether by suicide or other causes, simply do not know the bliss and joy of being on the other side. Otherwise they would not mourn so. I did NOT shed one tear when by parents died because I knew they were in paradise. My mother, through a famous medium, told me, "I am now on the vacation I never knew on earth." That is quite a testimonial!
@@benedettobruno1669 I base my opinions on what spirits have told us through mediums such as the great medium Leslie Flint. Are there consequences for evil deeds committed against others on earth? YES! Ellen Terry, the famous actress, told us that evil people go to a lower sphere of darkness but NOT a hell. She emphatically stated that there is no hell. You cannot commit evil against yourself. Only against others. If you take your own life because you are ill, mentally or physically, there are NO consequences for that. Even if you are not ill and just want to escape an evil environment, which is earth, then that is fine. Earth has much beauty but it is despoiled by evil people who want power over us to work their evil deeds, such as politicians who lust after war and destruction.
I'm uncomfortable with the harshness of this testimony. Some truths are harsh and still need to be heard, but there is something very reductionistic about the fates of the people who took their lives. A type of transactive justice to it, which, in my experience has nothing to do with Grace and the incomprehensible Love of the Transcendent Divine.
I don't believe her. My grandmother took her own life. I dreamt of her living in a nice house in a nice neighborhood with my cousin who was murdered a few years before. I started to take my life when one of my children died suddenly. I know God would have understood and have been compassionate.
I believe her, although this is her personal perception of her experience. It does not mean that everyone experiences or sees or senses or feels the same things. Death is not a one size fits all
As a person who would love to check out of this nightmare world insanity,… thanks for this opportunity to hear more information/perspective.
I have a lot of out of body experiences and I saw many people in the low astral completely in distress. This is something I canot explain because I known our heavenly Father/Mother is pure love and compassion. So I make up this hipotesis: people go where their energy is. If someone dies in sadness and regrets, they maybe will go to the place of sadness and regrets energy. Everybody can be rescued from these places, but they must ask for help, they must want to live, because we have free will. That doesn't mean spirituality would like to see someone leaving earth before the contracted time. But I don't believe in punishment. We punish ourselves. Some of the people that I saw in my astral voyages, are so confused. They don't know they are dead. They think they are in a nightmare. One of the most renowned astral voyager from Brasil (I'm brasilian, by the way), Waldo Vieira, used to say that light beings have many energy, but they don't have telluric energy, which is produced by human bodies. He used to say that for those who are lost in low astral planes, they need telluric energy to become aware, otherwise they will continue to think they are dreaming. That's why sometimes we dream of rescuing someone. Waldo also used to say that astral voyagers can help these people by donating energy. I don't know if he was right, but I've seen people in distress in the low astral plane and it always puzzled me. Anyway: praying for those who died from taking their own lives, or those who died in disbelief, or very suddenly, is a good thing. We should do it more often.
How can we help those people?
I don't believe in judgement beyond
If you believe it in here, then it will follow you beyond as well
I believe it's more of a self life review than judgement.
This account has many question marks .... Not entirely convincing ...
I think taken one life or someone else is wrong… suffering is part of learning.there are a few times in my life I wanted to checked out do to suffering circumstances. I am very glad I didn’t.Now those situations seems small and learned good lessons. Now I said to my self I will be in this world until my soul or body cannot be here no more….
This sounds much more believable with regards to suicide and its consequences. Free will comes with a catch, its called 'personal responsibility'. I always instinctively knew i wouldnt be able to escape my problems through suicide and it seems my intuition was right. I know many people listening to this video wont like hearing it.
Oh no this isn't very nice at all. Very odd in fact.
Sir, Ms. Vonderau mentions an American life coach at the end of the video. Is it possible to get this person’s name?
here in quebec there is assisted suicide. one case in particular deep depression and she was granted by the courts. so she died before her time
‘You need help. You need to get help’…. We can tell you’re not from the US, that psychological in-patient service costs about $30-50,000 per month here, lol 😝
The US hates its citizens 😘
😢
I enjoy your shows but have to say that nothing is as black and white as this subject. If researched fully, from texts written 5,000 years ago found in Egypt of 'The world weary man and his Ba' - to Yogic sciences (to this day) - and so on and so forth, for some the test is precisely to be brave enough to pass through the veil as a conscious act. Of course, such an exit has to be fully explored first with a shamanic person, but it really is cruel/hurtful to imply that some of the ideas presented here are fact/true.
Secondly; do you drive too fast - do wreckless things sometimes - smoke - whatever (this entire planetary structure is suicidal) and could this not be classed as a form of suicide? With 32-years of being in mental health and 22 as a full time psychotherapist in London, in has to be said that if I can have deep compassion and understanding for those that leave in this way (or want to), then how much more loving awareness does Creation have for its off-spring?
That's very wise advice about swimming with the tide. Life is a painful experience for the most part.
It should be mandatory to be taught in schools, in churches and in every day life from an early age that earth is a school and we are all in it to complete the studies and learn the meaning of our own appointed tasks. We should be taught that to voluntarily leave the tasks meant to be lived until the end appointed, it is a grave act against our own selves.
I agree that earth is a school of sorts. However, I don't believe it should be "taught" so-to-speak.
I believe we're all at various levels of understanding based on where each of us needs to be and the lessons we need to learn here so nothing should be "forced" on us.
But I absolutely believe coming to earth is comparable to going away to school/college. Personally, I'm so happy to have the understanding that I do! 😊
Confirms that life in this hell realm is a prison sentence
She is one of the most remarkable spirit communicators I’ve ever heard.
O…..k.
It's not so simple that after you die you go to heaven and you're with God. After you leave the body you go where your state of evolution dictates. Just like life here. You can be in all kinds of different circumstances, all kinds of different levels of life from very poor to rich to very difficult or very easy. To use an analogy- you don't go from first grade into PhD program. You have to go through different levels of schooling to ultimately graduate at PhD level. When people commit suicide/ take their own lives/ murder themselves basically then there's a price to pay for that. There's not a one-size-fits-all result of that. This medium gives some very important insights into the process. And she is not alone. Hundreds of other mediums have told of their similar experiences.
They are buried as natural human bodies, but they will be raised as spiritual bodies. For just as there are natural bodies, there are also spiritual bodies. (1 Corinthians 15:44)
As a Catholuc we believe in Purgatory which is a place of atonement before entering Heaven. Better to suffer on earth than after death
Read the bible and you'll know, its available for all.
My best friend Joe of 20 yrs committed suicide due to constant non stop anxiety. I will always miss him . Always .