Teleporters cannot work through durallium, which is in both series and is used in all star wars ships ie durasteel. They don't need shields to stop teleporters in Star Wars.
Put Sisko in the chair of the Defiant vs the Death Star... I'm taking the Defiant everyday, and Sunday. Pretty sure the DS fifing dish couldn't withstand a single photon torpedo.
Yeap, that is actually true. many things in starwars is epically large due to the start of technology. In startrek the technology is matured, and a higher level. The starwars galaxy can only use, ( The falcons warp/ 1.5. as can only use a hyper=route that magnifies speed only in the hyperlane. Hyperspeed is Warp factor, X strength of the hyperlane. So in a hyperlane the enterprise is faster then the falon. The enterprise can go warp 9.98 outside of hyperlane. Starwars has the pre-cursor to phasers. Starwars ships has Deflector shields only. Startrek has both Deflector shields, and shields connected to warp drives. The Death Star has one laser that can destroy a planet. The Galaxy has 12 phaser banks, each one can destroy a planet. Starwars has photon torp bolts. Startrek is anti-matter warheads of multiple strength levels. So some startrek ships, like the enterprise fires anti-matter warheads of 4/8/12. In later trek this is scaled to the next tropedo that is 100times higher. Species 8479 has the power of the DeathStar in between frigates that combine to create a Phaser strong enough to single shot a planet. Then Startrek has condensed matter bombs that blows up entire stars, and planets with torps/ships the side of my car.
@leoman555 it's a sound point, that is missing with fan groups. I can accept the USS constitution, as a beautiful ship, just in the same way that i accept that the "Grey Ghost" USS Enterprise was a beast of a ship.
No Laser Cannons: The most common weapon on starfighters and light transports, used for anti-starfighter combat. Turbolasers: Massive, high-energy weapons found on capital ships (like Star Destroyers) designed to penetrate heavy armor and shields. Blaster Cannons: Heavier, slower-firing versions of laser cannons often used for increased damage against armored targets. Quad Laser Cannons: Four small laser cannons linked together for high-volume anti-fighter fire. Disruptor Weapons: Highly destructive weapons that excel at piercing armor, often considered restricted or illegal. Beam Weapons: Focused energy beams, such as the composite beam cannon used on specialized warships. Projectile Ordnance Proton Torpedoes: Highly advanced, armor-piercing projectiles often used by bombers and starfighters. Concussion Missiles: Faster missiles with a large blast radius, used against shields and lighter starships. Space Mines: Defensive explosives deployed to block enemy flight paths, including standard, advanced, and heavy variants. Mass-Driver Cannons: Projectile launchers that fire solid slugs at high speeds, often used to bypass deflector shields. Specialized Weapons & Systems Tractor Beams: Energy projectors used to grab, hold, or restrict the movement of enemy vessels. Gravity Well Projectors: Devices that create a false gravity field to prevent ships from activating their hyperdrives. Bomblet Generators: Specialized systems, like those on TIE Defenders, that release small explosive devices. Flak Guns: Area-of-effect weapons designed to disrupt enemy formations and destroy missiles. And there special ships that have even weirder lay outs
ST transporters can be a weapon too. Take the SW crews right out of their ships and drop them anywhere that would kill them quickly (surface of star, space, bits and pieces everywhere, etc) OR use it to remove critical components of a Death Star, or teleport a big bomb onto the station. I wonder if Vader could use the force to resist a ST transporter if he had never seen one used before?
1. Raised deflector shields cannot be penetrated, bypassed or disabled from the outside. You can't teleport anything from the outside. Shields are energy insulators.
@dj_jx - Unless shields in the Star Wars universe are "all or none" (e.g., not provisioned in sections), all it would take is knocking them out in one small area. - When a ship in the Star Wars universe takes down a shield, all they can do is continue shooting up the armor underneath. At that point, most ships from the Star Trek universe can utilize their transporter advantage.
@dj_jx Ray, or particle shield? Could either actually block a federation transporter at all? Completely different tech, it may be as effective as a sheet of paper
I think SNW is gonna get tossed in most debates. That half the power of a star thing is just to crazy. The enterprise doesn’t even carry enough antimatter to generate that much power. Unless there’s a lot of amplification going on that we don’t know about.
@shaunkelly9053it makes sense. Multiple episodes have stated the enterprise is able to one shot a continent (the cage, whom gods destroy, obsession, the die is cast, children of mars, reeds statement of 1000 NX01 phase cannons being able to match the xindi planet killer, garaks statement about the defiant being able to turn a planet into cinder, etc) makes it a lot more believable since these quotes and showings support the SNW value. Sure, its more than likely not a standard combat yield, but the fact that the OG enterprise is able to do this means that we have a limit for them, and it matches well within the other showings i mentioned
@homelessend8557I’m also loath to consider any of the new trek cannon in anyway. SNW has some ok episodes but it’s got some pretty garbage ones too. I think the main issue with half the sun power is the amount of matter and antimatter you’d have to react to get that amount of power. The ship doesn’t carry that much.
@shaunkelly9053trek antimatter either behaves differently than our own universes antimatter or, as mentioned earlier, theres a better way they can process and harness it much better thsn what we could imagine. I already mentioned multiple episodes that support the SNW quote which itself isnt new. TDiC scene specifically works with well over 40 petatons (above the SNW quote) per shot assuming they wanted to pretty much melt 30% of the planetary crust
@willlewis6386 a singular one off vessel that was never again replicated does not stack up against the ability to casually mass-produce supernova inducing torpedoes that any ship can be armed with. 🙄 Besides, the sun crusher isn't even canon to Star Wars so it's irrelevant either way.
What's not taken into the discussion is Star Trek's teleportation techniques. The ability to transport crew, equipment or weapons to points within the enemy ships. Everything from covert and overt boarding parties to ability to dump a antimatter device directly into the plasma generator of the enemy engine room or steal equipment directly from it's mountings and transport it into space or just kidnap the enemy command staff right off their bridge?!? There is a lot of Trek tech that it left out of this discussion.
Scenareo 2, I think we can pretty much just ignore tie fighters vs soverign... even in considerable numbers. If strength means biggest explosions, TREK wins. Y'wanna know how? Beam a few photon or quantum torps in next to the imp cap ship's reactors. Ray sheilds, Partical sheilds, they shouldnt be able to stop a transporter, they're not built for it. Doubt the deathstar would fare *any* better with a few torps beamed in around its reactor either. And where an X-wing could fly, so could a federation shuttle. If up against the Deathstar2, that thing had holes big enough in it for the falcon to fly into, so getting a defiant class in there would be no problem. The BIGGEST consideration though, is weapon range. Turbolasers have a range of something like 12KM, vs more like 300,000KM for federation phasers. All the fed ships would need to do is sit some distance off, very likley way beyond the empire's sensor range... the imps wouldnt even know what was slicing their ships up.
Starfleet sensors are some of the best, in the Trek Universe and are hugely superior to anything in the SW universe. We get to see on screen examples of this multiple times but one of my favourites is when Gul Macet (played by Gul Dukat actor, Marc Alaimo) is on the Ent-D and is surprised when the Enterprise can tell what is happening between a rogue federation ship and some Cardassian ships, 2 Sectors away from them. A Sector is a cube 20x20x20 light years across. So, they could observe, in detail the combat taking place between 21 and 40 light years away from them. Star Wars sensors don't seem to be able to see anything much beyond Solar System ranges.
I've always thought that Star Wars ships looked under gunned, with the exception of the Death Star. From the very first scene of Star Wars, when a Star Destroyer was attacking Princess Leia's ship, you see the Star Destroyer's laser's firing, and there are flares when their shields are hit, but you never see any damage on the target ship. A Federation Constitution Class would have had a continuous beam hitting the ship, knocking down the shields, and then destroying the ship itself. If you think that Leia's ships just have great shields and that's why they Star Destroyer wasn't doing anything- no, SW shields suck. Consider the Millenium Falcon landing on a Star Destroyer, or the Imperial Fleet being savaged by an asteroid field: Imperial Shields do almost NOTHING.
star trek ships can engage from MUCH further away than sw ships. they also have more advanced technology, since star trek plays in the future, meanwhile star wars plays in the past. those lasers can tickle the enterprise d's shields at their best. im happy to be corrected on that
This video is sort of shallow. Star Trek "in the future" is barely 300 years of technology advancement. Star Wars has 30,000 years (see the rakata or gree) of technology advancement. For star trek, you can't use the Iconian tech as a reference. (200,000 years ago) Also, for Star destroyers, the 10¹⁹ to 10²⁵ watts reference for a solar ionization engine of a star destroyer is at a stable constant use - just like an at-at, it is possible to use "maximum fire power", far exceeding star trek (federation) weaponry.
I did the math once on one of these trek-vs-wars videos, and though I cant remember the exact numbers now, and YT erased the post for some reason, I calculated that, using figures from the Enterprise D while she was holding the doors of that dyson sphere open, already damaged, she could withstand I think it was 8-9 hours of constant bombardment from a stardestroyer with 100 turbolasers. That is assuming the D just sits there and takes it, no repairs at all, no fighting back. And that the stardestroyer could use all 100, which of course they cant against a single target unless pointed directly at them. Even a few degrees to port or starbord, or ventral/dorsal, and the destroyer's available weapons are cut in half by their own hull. Ontop of the sheilds of the D being able to take such a beating, and my data was for an already damaged Enterprise, the empire's dual shield types could present a great vulnerability. Can either a ray or partical shield block transporters? With a transporter range of 40,000KM (TNG era) a trek ship could simply beam a photon torpedo, or even a quantum, right in next to the imp's reactor... b'bye stardestroyer. Sensor ranges of stardestroyers is, vague, at best. Some claim 10s of thousands of KM, some upto 17 lightyears with very low resolution. The imps may know there is **something** out there, but with no transporter tech of their own, they sure wouldnt be expecting an explosive device to just appear next to their reactor.
@TheHardReturn I can defeat your theory. More Advanced First Order Ships, including The Supremacy could not catch up, nor destroy less advanced Resistance Ships, and had to wait for them to run out of fuel before catching up, and destroying them. So, Your theory is pretty much...DOA. Plus If you took 30,000 year old weapons advancement from Star Wars (A Long time ago in a galaxy far, far away,) comparing it to Federation...30,000 Years ago on Earth. The most "Advanced" weapon was a spear.
Just remember: the maximum output of an ISD is just 7.73E+24W, while the power output of ONE phaser bank of the Constitution Class Enterprise is beyond 1.61E+26W. SW ships has maximum speed of about 150 MGLT, while 4200g acceleration equals to 21MGLT/s, and ST ships can reach one third the speed of light in like a few seconds.
Given that there is no official definition for the term 'MGLT', that was used by the effects crew, for the relative speeds of the various spacecraft, during the Battle of Endor recordings, you cannot make any claim here that can be taken as 'real' or even comparative to Star Trek measures. It is however quite clear that SW ships move a lot slower than ST ships, in sublight motion. While SW ships move much faster than ST ships in FTL speeds but have restrictions on that movement, that Warp does not. I'm not going to go into the weapon power outputs of the two, other than to say that it takes an Imperial Fleet to 'glass' a planet after hours of firing and it takes a single Starfleet cruiser to do the same in minutes.
@shaunkelly9053bot sure where he got the calc for the ISD main guns, but it makes sense if its a calculated value. SNW s3 ep10 explicitly states that number for maximum phaser output power, half the output of the sun. Well beyond any standard SW capital ship weapon barring any superweapons
@homelessend8557I know. I saw the episode. While I like being able to club people over the head with it in VS debates. I kinda also have to toss it cause it’s too extreme.
@shaunkelly9053it is not extreme considering that multiple episodes and showings prove it to be doable. To throw that away, means to throw away every other high end example of trek doing that. If you really wanted to use a throwaway line, then we wouldve went with the sonic weapon that output more power the the entire visible universe (this one for a fact was a one off and should be discarded) The snw statement was specifically stated multiple times as a fact that they can do that. As well as it fits with the higher ends weve seen and heard trek be able to do. And the best part about that quote? Its not even the highest end. That would go to the die is cast where 20 ships destroy 30% of the planetary crust
Star Trek weapons are idk, long-range disintegration beams, Antimatter strapped to an missile to an missile to an missile that explode due to quantum shenanigans and their shields uses graviton polarity which is basically OP.
What would be interesting would be to have a match-up of whether the Borg can assimilate the Star Wars Empire! I just don't see how the Borg could be stopped... Then you talk about fire power - put the power of Star Wars - yes even the death star up against Species 8472... not only would the bioships never get hit with the death star weapon, but it would be annihilated not only with the planetary union formation of multiple bioships, but 1 ship would beat the death star...
StarTrek ships have a lockon phaser range (at its, basic, normal strenght) of 2 LIGHT SECONDS. Thats around 200.000 Kms...SW ships have to fight at extreme close ranges, their weapons are less effective and tends to miss easily at long ranges... That in itself already tell how things would go... Then full impulse IS 0.5c...in normal space. SW ships would hit jack shit while being easy targets for the weakest ST ships... Easy win for ST...
Good video your right the empire ships were pure warships with strong weapons engine s shields, were startreck federation were multi purpose ships. Take the battle with borg cube at wolf 359 one huge disaster they lost 40 ships because borg had more powerful weapons. And yes federation latter created more powerful ships with better engs shields weapons and some were even equipped with some armor
I think the affect of Tie swarms is being overlooked some. Yes, their individual weapons are nothing more than paper cuts to the shields of a Trek ship, but it is a lot of paper cuts in addition to the turbo lasers
Also once star trek realizes that Al Star Wars ships require fuel it’s over, simply take out the supply lines. Federation ships and most in ST run on antimatter reactors that only need periodic dilithium replacement…as in years. The ability for SW to simply run away from a fight potentially on the other side of the galaxy is probably their one major victory (aside from planet killing machines and force users). Granted if the x-wing or millennium falcon can blow up the Death Star then a single federation capital starship would be able to take one out, just repeatedly burn through to the core by firing at the same area while moving and staying away from the laser array, easy with their tech
Both universes bend physics well beyond reality or possibility. Physics simply breaks completely in Star Trek and in Star Wars, we must assume another universe all together.
Shield systems go down when you take out the shield generators? True but you have to get through the shields first to do that. That means it's a failure you cannot count on or use as a strategy.
The funniest thing to me is that in this video, only Federation starships are talked about. No mention of the Romulans, Cardassians, Breen, Dominion, Housnock, Shelliak, First Federation, Tholians, Zalkonians, Species 8472 or the BORG. Imagine if the WHOLE of the Star Trek universe united to fight all of the Star Wars universe. Wouldn't be much of a fight, especially in space.
im not a huge Star-wars fan but a few weeks back I heard some numbers on the size of the Star-wars empire, I don't think it really matters how much more advanced Star-trek ships are it would take forever to conquer the S,W empire and Star-wars is largely Human so they can understand Star-trek Tech so im thinking it would take far to long for the empire to really lose that war and they would match federation tech long before that happened then massively outmatch federation fleet construction speed.
In terms of most space fiction, most tend to stay in the Star Wars pattern, rather than the Star Trek pattern, so they are more interchangeable. Star Trek is the outlier. Star Wars pattern being large heavily armored and armed ships, with small agile fighter accompaniment. Force fields and deflectors are present and available, but not the main source of protection. Light speed as a limiting factor, with alternate modes of transiting great distances, such as jump/star gates, hyperspace and space folding or time warping. Most do not have matter transporting, and use shuttle craft for transportation between ships and worlds. Also very prevalent in the Star Wars pattern is much less obsession with the technology and more emphasis on the story. Most Star Wars pattern creations rarely talk about the nature of the technology, whereas the Star Trek pattern is obsessed with it and talk about it continuously. In fact, it's a crutch and deus ex machina tech discoveries is the recurring theme through it, making it, in my opinion, a weaker pattern of story telling and development.
Does anyone know of a video about the Star Wars executor vs Star Trek uss vengeance? If so please let me know the name I have been trying to find a video about it for a while now with no luck only get the smaller star destroyers
These videos typically aren't Star Wars vs. Star Trek but Empire vs. Federation. The Star Trek universe has far more varied levels of technology. How well would the Empire fare against ships capable of cloaking (e.g., Romulans and Klingons), Breen energy disruptions, Dominion ships (recall that Federation shields were initially useless against their weapons), not to mention technology the Federation has but doesn't deploy (e.g., the phase cloak, and the transphasic torpedoes and deployable armor Voyager was equipped with at the end). Then you have more technologically advanced civilizations such as the Borg and the Voth. - If it was the complete known galaxy for each universe vs. the other, I can't see the Empire standing much of a chance.
This "debate" has been going since TMP, at least. The ships are the weakest element of the Star Wars universe. Fed ships against Empire would be a slaughter for the Empire. But it's worse, since there's no need to fight. What shields SW ships have wouldn't slow a transporter at all. All the physical armor is helpless against any photon torpedo. The answer to this debate is as old as the debate itself: Beam in a torpedo, unass the area at Warp Getusouttahere. Boom. The end.
How about Star Trek vs the entire MCU fleets of ships? The Kree, Xandarians/Nova Corp, Asgardians with Odin and Thanos with his fleet of Outriders against Star Fleet. Star Fleet gets Q but Thanos has the Infinity Gauntlet with all the infintiy stones? Who wins that battle?
Exactly, That series finale alone deep in Borg space and Voyager winning should tell you how far the tech is for Star Trek in the future. The best Star Wars tech we have seen is not even in the same league.
One thing everybody that's forgetting about cloaking technology Star trek Has access to cloaking technology what good is it for a ship to have autos Turbo lasers and shielding if they don't employ it because they don't realize attacking ship is there a few quantum torpedoes going up into engine exhaust before I'm aware a ship is there will totally e d a battle and instill fear
Leave STD and everything "modern day Star Drek/Kurtzman Drek" out of being called Star Trek It's like comparing a thick porterhouse to a vegetable meat substitute
A trek era starship has shields that no basic lasers can penetrate. Plus the photon torpedo would obliterate any Star Wars ship, including the big capital ships.
Star trek wepons tec and shields are stronger better manouvabilty speed can attack further out the only advantage the empire has is ship size and quantity which is its own quality but 1 on 1 Startrek wins .
It can be voyager trying to get home but run into a star wars like sector in the beta quadrant in frozen episode. Close enough to get a federation armada
Tactics and mobility. Doesn't matter how powerful a turbolaser battery is or how many TIE fighters an ISD carries if they can't reach the target. A Federation starship is far far faster than anything in Star Wars on the sublight scale and can engage in combat while in warp. A hyperdrive isn't practical for combat use, especially when a navicomputer has to calculate every jump.
Borg trans warp and adaptability would be would be star trek saving grace... otherwise Star wars ability to move fleets vast distances at a much faster scale ..sheer power output and number of ships would most likely not only destroys Starfleet but all of the star trek universe as well...factoring in the Borg and species 8472...would tips the scales in star trek favor...
I would say at base level Star Wars wins, but Star Trek has a much higher upper limit. When you scale up to a type 2 civilization the technology becomes way more powerful than anything in Star Wars, their planet destroyers are a mere fraction of the size and they scale up to multi solar system level at even type 2. They don't have teleportation technology nearly as common in SW and what they do have is rare technology, even the upper limits of speed make nearly anything in Star Wars seem slow.
Star trek just disables the shields on an ISD and just randomly "beams" quantum and Proton torpedoes in it on timers. It would be over in minutes, even the death star couldn't take that punishment, especially if 1 normal torpedo is in the hundreds of megatons or possibly gigaton range, but the quantum torpedoes do even more damage, one even close, like 200M away from the ISD reactor or hyperfuel storage and the ISD detonates!!! Also, the death star also carries loads of that hyperfuel needed for its hyperspace flight. Just gotta stay away from the bullseye😂😂
A lot of the tech in Srarwars is inferior to Star Trek, transporter and replicator technology being a huge advantage. However a less obvious defecit for Srarwars is the sensor technology. When a star destroyer loses the Millennium Falcon after it jumps to hyperspace their sensors have no way of tracking it. If you know what "The Picard Maneuver" is and how it works, this implies that the slower sensor technology and real time weapons firing/tracking capabilities would make a Star Destroyer functionally a ditting duck to a galaxy class starship repositioning during combat at warp. Now imagine data reading scans of the Death Star. How long do you think it would take him to discover Galen Erso's inbuilt weakness and how long to hatch a plan to bring a shuttle out of warp and simply precision target the vent? The targeting and sensor technology in Srar Trek enable their battle ships to be able to respond as if the have the benefits of the force - in terms of speed and precision. And that's on every ship in star trek vs regular imperial officers trying to target them. Besides just transporting the torpedo yeild would achieve the same thing anyway and that's the killer defecit. The type of warfare star trek is capable of due to transporter technology gives them a constant tactical advantage. The moon base shield for the second death star requires the additional step of modulating the phaser harmonics to destroy the shield generator and then transporting torpedoes into the death star once again for the coup de grace. Starfleet troops and the humans in that society are simply operating at a higher level, because they have come close to fullfilling human potential. Where as the Empire attempts to stifle it and as such ends up generating weaknesses (i.e. Galen's weakness) because the empire is so rotten to the core that it is fighting/making enemies of many key individuals within it's own infrastructure. Star Trek wins because it has achieved true strength and is capable of a great many things the empire could only dream of.
All the star trek ships have to do is get behind the slow maneuvering star wars ships stay there destroy the star wars ships engines and the star wars ship losses. Period. Star Trek wins every time.
Weapon range, accuracy, and vessel speed are too big an advantage for Star Trek. Check the ranges for both verses weapons. Also, Star Wars shields don't stop solid objects as seen when xwings fly and crash into them. This proves that photon torpedoes would ignore star wars shielding and pass through to directly impact the hull, just like xwings do. Star Trek weapons are accurate enough to target subsystems. Shield generator would be the first thing sniped from distances too great for return fire by an ISD. Then, photon torpedoes could easily be teleported onto the bridge, still at ranges too great for the ISD to return fire. Star Trek ship would be moving at impulse speed which is 1/3rd light speed. ISD wouldn't stand a chance vs a Galaxy class starship. Phasers are computer targeted so tie fighters would get picked off before ever getting into weapons range as well. Just no hope for Star Wars.
Star War ships would get picked off by Star Trek ships from 500,000km or more. Let's look at proven canon in Star Wars. The First Order had to wait for Resistance Ships to run out of fuel at a distance of no more than 2,000 kms. Range weapons of The Federation would laugh. Not to mention the speed of moving at 3/4th the speed of light around ships that move at a pace of 900km per hour in space. Speed Kills Period.
Lets not forget another tech that is never brought up in these videos, holograms! Sure, the empire may have 'soft light' holograms, ie no substance at all, used as communications devices, but the 'hard light' holograms that trek uses are capable of simulating weaponry on a starship scale, Voyager used some while defending that Talaxian astreroid settlement I think? How would the empire react to holoships that can dish out the punishment, but when their blaster bolts reach the target, the holoship just goes soft and lets it pass straight through with no damage done. Even more effective if the holoship has a mobile emitter, rather than being projected from another ship's hull. (And yes I know soft light and hard light holograms are a RedDwarf thing, not trek or starwars, but the definition is stil valid)
It's not just that Starfleet ships Federation ships are stronger than the galactic Imperial ships let's take Shields for example so it's well established Canon that because of the shields that Starfleet ships are immune to emps electromagnetic pulses the specific EM spectrum that laser-based weapons operate in Falls in that em pulse Spectrum which means if they have their Shields up that Death Star itself can sit there all day and fire all it wants at the Enterprise and it's going to be like shooting a BB gun at a freight train it's going to do absolutely nothing so Star Wars ships would have to catch them with their Shields down and do enough damage to prevent them from raising them
While I agree, in principal to SF ships shields being much more durable, than SW ship shields, the Death Star is not firing an normal but very power heavy laser (focused beam of light) but a set of energy beams focussed through Kyber Crystals, which 'enhance' the lasers destructive power and are them combined to give even greater output. I don't think that many Trek races shields could take a shot from one and hold but there are a few.
Disagree guess you never watched TOS with the planet killer. One shot at extreme range and the vaunted Constitution shields are severely damaged. The planet killer in TOS and the Death Star are eerier similar both are doomsday type weapon systems their main weapon destroys planet. The raw power to do that in one short burst or say 2 or 3 (in case of the planet killer) defines the limit of Federation shields. Federation ships would cut in warp drive against something like the Death Star to keep its main cannon out battle much as possible. A direct hit and kiss any starship goodbye. Glancing strike would cripple a Federation vessel forcing immediate retreat for days if not weeks or more. The death star planet killer is one the few weapons in Star Wars that gives them some weight against Federation ships.
@wesxander4329 the planet killers beam weapon was a plasma based weapon......we already know that plasma based weapons exist in the ST universe the romulans use them
@Hitman-zp5wi it was not a plasma based weapon. I read the script books and watched the episode many times. They can still be had at used book stores. Rather like people saying distruptors are plasma based they are not. Disruptor is pure sonic weapon it literally vibrates it's target apart. Again that was covered in the script books as well as the actual scenes in one the shows.
First of all, Starfleet starships will not be shooting at close range. Starfleet starships have a maximum effective tactical range of 300,000 kilometers for phasers and up to 2.5 million kilometers for photon torpedoes, according to the Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual. Despite these long ranges, in-universe combat often occurs at much shorter distances (5-10 km). Far beyond any Star Wars starships. long-range engagements have been depicted, such as the Phoenix firing on a Cardassian ship from beyond 300,000 km.
Starwars turbolasers have something like a 12KM max range, with proportional energy dropoff. But yeah, fed ships could just sit well otuside that and plink away unopposed.
Citing the original series range in the actual scripts your distance for photon torpedoes is off. They are the more destructive of the two weapons for Federation and travel at warp speed, but their range is limited due to a few seconds of life and due to the limited targeting system on each torpedo fired. Comes down to which literature cannon you adhere to as well. The so-called Gene Rodden Berry Trek Bible spelled things out, but the series stopped using that shortly after his death. Voyager was the last series to take it somewhat seriously.
I've done this before so here is my input: Scenario for this epic “Star Wars vs. Star Trek” showdown. Let’s layer in all the factors-without Q or posthumous Force use, defined resource limits, and communication dynamics-and walk through who gains the upper hand. 1. Scope & Resources Star Trek: Supplies are confined to a single galaxy-the resource base includes Federation, Klingon, Romulan worlds, Borg, etc. Vast, but bounded. Star Wars: Has access to a region akin to a Vela Cluster, significantly larger than a single galaxy-multiplying potential shipyards, worlds, and manpower. Advantage: Star Wars - sheer resource volume vastly exceeds that of one galaxy. Over 1,700 galaxies. Vela Supercluster Highlights It contains about 20 identified galaxy clusters. Within just six of those clusters, astronomers have cataloged over 1,700 galaxies. The full supercluster likely contains many thousands of galaxies, though exact numbers are still being refined due to observational challenges 2. Communication & Coordination Star Wars: Benefits from the HoloNet and hyperwave systems, enabling nearly instantaneous, secure communication across vast distances within their domain. ffg-forum-archive.entropicdreams.com Star Trek: Relies on subspace radio; though FTL, it’s finite-not instantaneous, and dependent on relays. Delays can range from minutes to weeks in remote areas. Transmission speeds hover around Warp 9.9997 (~183,000 c) Science Fiction & Fantasy Stack Exchange Wikipedia . Advantage: Star Wars - able to coordinate battlefield movements, reinforcements, and strategy in real time. 3. Military Tech & Tactics Star Wars: Fields vast fleets-Star Destroyers, cruisers, ground armies-and can deploy overwhelming numbers. Tech includes superweapons (like Death Stars), shielded ships, and hyperspace maneuvers. Star Trek: Possesses highly advanced, precision-driven technology: powered shields, tactical sensors, transporters, warp drive, and superior weapons like photon/quantum torpedoes. Command flexibility combined with stealth (cloaking) and teleportation allows surgical strikes. Advantage: Star Trek - technological finesse and targeted warfare capabilities counterbalance Star Wars's massed forces. 4. Communication Superiority + Resource Dominance Adding instant communication to Star Wars’ resource advantage creates a potent synergy. They can: Outmaneuver Star Trek strategically-adjusting force deployments on the fly. Deny Star Trek the ability to respond efficiently due to subspace delay. Overwhelm with coordinated multi-pronged strikes. While Star Trek's precision remains a key weapon, it’s seriously undermined if they can't synchronize fleets swiftly or reinforce threatened sectors in time. Final Verdict Star Wars edges out the victory in this scenario. Here's why: Their massive resource base allows for production of unmatched fleet numbers and superweapons. Instant communication enables real-time strategy, swift reaction, and overwhelming coordination. Star Trek’s precision and tech are formidable-but are largely negated if they cannot adapt quickly across dispersed theaters and can’t relay necessary data fast enough. Star Wars would likely win, capitalizing on volume, speed of communication, and strategic adaptability. Yeah, I've worked on numbers for this for a long time. It simply ends up being a war of attrition, one side gradually wears down its opponent to the point of collapse. One side has thousands of galaxies of resources and the other is of one galaxie. In the end it is a numbers game.
Thats funny, regarding scope and resources, wookipedia shows a map of the empire and it only covers about 2/3 of a single galaxy. Ok, thats more than the alpha quadrant, but its nowhere near your claim.
Star Trek has industrial replicators..they don't need access to huge amounts of resources. The only chance the Empire would have it getting a hold of Federation tech and successfully adapting it. THEN the Empire's numbers could win the day. That assumes they could understand it; not a given since they've been stuck with their current tech for tens of millennia.
@michaelmorris1741 You forgot "Q". That is another way Star Trek always wins. I've never seen an episode where an entire starship was created in an instant in Star Trek by being replicated in a replicator. Or even in a book a starship being replicated, in one instantly. They could just make a Hologram army of clone holograms like Doctor on Voyager (Emergency Medical Hologram). A fleet of Hologram starships for that matter. Well here is some number for you: Star Trek Beyond grossed in the box office in the US $158.8 million. Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker in the box office in the us grossed $515 million. Can I say that Star Wars kicked Star Treks ass now? Q couldn't even save them in that regard.
@michaelmorris1741 Got one more for you. Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet with all the infinity stones and his fleet of ships. Could he defeat Star Trek?
The biggest issues is Starfleet ships typically travel solo. When encountering a serious threat, they can rally 10 to 20 ships quickly. Imperial Star Destroyers travel in packs, 3 or 4 ships. In a moments notice, they can have up to 100+. A lone ST ship wouldn’t stand a chance.
I love trek as much as the next guy but in terms of raw power trek for all its advanced tech doesn't come close to the destruction wrought by an ISD let along anything bigger like an Executor class star dreadnought. While a fed starship does have the advantage in certain areas it's important to remember they are still subject to the typical protocols which would first be to open hailing frequencies, identify oneself and hope to establish some form of diplomatic relations. An Imperial warship on the other hand has no such interest and would much prefer to shoot first, analyse later. Assuming the feds already have the foreknowledge that the ISD is an immediate threat (let's say they're replying to a garbled distress signal which says a far off fed colony is under attack from a dagger like warship of unknown origin) then they're not gonna bother with the usual niceties and they should be able to fire from distance and damage the Imperial star destroyer before it can retaliate and even better if they know the fact of those two bulbous domes either side of the command tower are in fact shield generators which are themselves vulnerable. They can blast away from millions of kilometers and well beyond the range of Imperial weapons like turbolasers or ion cannons but if the feds close to within visual range they're dead. Assumimg standard tactics apply it's pretty much a clean sweep for the Imperial forces at least in the beginning. Standard SW ship to ship weapons are in the range of of at least gigatons which far eclipses the total shield output of trek vessels by many times over. Even worse if it's an imperial warship equipped with ion cannons which can disable the electrical systems on an enemy vessel but unlike a turbolaser not destroy jt outright. Equivalent systems do exist in the trekverse most notably the breen energy dampening weapon which cripples the original USS Defiant NX-74205 in the DS9 episode Way Of The Warrior during the 1st battle of Chin'toka but Starfleet lacks such a device among its standard arsenal unlike many SW capital ships. This is highly dependent on actual combat scenarios of course but the empire is not as easily overcome as this video makes it out to be. Plus, with its vast industrial base, superior acess to raw materials and seemingly endless supply of unfortunately highly disposable personnel available (tie fighter pilots being the prime example) the Empire can just send more ISDs until the feds are overwhelmed by sheer numbers. Cos in a standard engagement at visual range, numbers here are not in Starfleet's favour by a long shot. Eventually, the Feds will learn the hard way after this unknown threat makes mincemeat of any Starfleet ship who tries to talk with it but not before incurring grievous losses in the first few engagements. It would be similar to the first direct engagement between the Borg and Starfleet at Wolf 359. During the initial encounter the Starfleet armada comprising dozens of ships was effortlessly swept aside by a single Borg Cube which not only sustained little or no meaningful damage during the initial battle but was able to make it all the way to Earth orbit before the rather timely intervention of the Enterprise D results in it's destruction. The second time during the Battle of Sector 001 the Federation fleet was far better prepared & able to seriously damage the cube despite once again suffering serious casualties. But that was merely a single vessel, the Empire has literally millions of ISDs which are purpose built warships, Federation vessels on the other hand are first and foremost exploration and science gathering platforms. Even purpose built combat assets such as the Defiant class from time to time are assigned to & expected to perform scientific missions despite not being particularly well suited to that function compared to larger starships equipped with science labs such as the Galaxy or Intrepid classes. It's also not a particularly apt or efficient use of limited fleet resources which can be much better deployed elsewhere.
dude, just remember one thing: Constitution-class Enterprise needs only one phaser bank to provide power output of more than 1.61E+26W, as shown in SNW S3 E10, while ISD's maximum output is like 7.73E+24W. Connie has SIX phaser banks with separate batteries; it can easily outclass an Executor-class. BDZ needs several ISD to bomb for a few hours just to melt down a planet's surface, while 20 Cardassian Galor can vaporize 30 percent of a planet's crust in merely a single barrage. Even Cardassian Galor can easily one-shot an ISD.
Sorry but you are fanboying for SW here. I've been around since before both came out (and been a fan of both since the first viewing), in the cinemas (not quite old enough for STO first runs.) and there's nothing in SW canon (which is what is seen, on screen only, according to both George Lucas and Disney) to show anything like the power outputs claimed but SW megafans over the decades. 1 on 1 or in fleet actions ST wins every time. If it's the entire Imperial Fleet vs just the Entire Starfleet, then it's closer but Trek still wins and if it's the SW galaxy (Canon version) vs the ST Galaxy (Canon version) Trek wins by much more.
Star wars? Gigatons? Is it 2005 again or what? That number has long been debunked thanks to every showing of TCW, Rebels, TLJ, etc. The first order themselves required a dreasnought with specialized orbital cannons go create a single digit gigaton fireball on dqar when trying to destroy the rebels. Trek on the other hand has the showings of the die is cast, children of mars, perpetual infinity, obsession, as well as the new statement for the enterprises phaser power (can output half the power of the sun) which goes from low teraton to low petaton range
@walker93863OK that's fine let's use just canon numbers here and as two examples: During one of the original sequel trilogy films the millennium falcon is being pursued by ISDs and TIEs also through an asteroid field and in the course of that action sequence one shot destroys an asteroid with a single turbolaser blast. in the TNG episode "The Pegasus" the Romulan warbird Terix is looking for the titular starship of the same name as it served as a testbed for a phasing cloak which they want to to capture to study or whatever. To prevent the cloak from falling into Romulan hands Riker proposes to destroy the asteroid containing the Pegasus where he says "it would take most of our photon torpedoes but I think we can do it" . Also there wasn't just 20 Cardassian (sorry Keldon not Galor class) cruisers, there were also numerous D'deridex class Warbirds present in the combined Romulan/Cardassian fleet which bombarded the founder's original homeworld and those werbirds in terms of raw firepower and size eclipse even the Galaxy class which in turn for a one on one comparison are easily superior to any standard Cardassian warship they might encounter so that's somewhat erroneous.
Not only that but they’re lasers don’t go anywhere near the distance that Star Trek weapons go so most Star Trek ships would be able to sit well outside of the weapons range of those ISD and just take them out
They are closer to pulse plasma disruptors than lasers. They use a plasma bolt, not light wavelength laser. Most ST fans don't want an honest discussion on power or weapon types etc.
@chrisheitstuman6360 and those Star Wars fans can’t acknowledge the fact that their weapons can’t go anywhere near the distance that weapons go in Star Trek but that’s OK. I don’t expect Star Wars fans to be honest about that either. Have you seen how close the ISD’s have to be to each other to fire they have to be with visual distance you know they won’t have to be that close in Star Trek right so when your ISD can only fire 1/3 the distance of Star Trek you know u lost
Also, how many people need to be on your ISD’s to operate them? What is it like 10,000 or something face it your technology and your series is garbage dude Cowboys and space is all you are so go play with your little cowboy toys and we’ll deal with the big tech stuff at Star Trek OK OK bye
The only technological benefit they have in Star Wars is your speed and hyper speed is faster. Everything else is completely inferior to everything in Star Trek. You know it I know it so stop being a little baby and just acknowledge your your franchise is not as good when it comes to technology.
They have 25k ISDs at their peak, all built with existing manufacturing procedures. The federation mass produced 10k Galaxy class sized vessels to aid in the romulan evacuation within the span of a short time. I doubt numbers will do much anymore
Not seen anything in starwars like a transporter. Still not sure how a star destroyer deals with a quantum torpedo matrialising right next to its reactor. Not sure how vader would have a hope in hell against Q Not sure how a death star stands up against the dyson sphere picard found. Not sure how thr falcon would cope with the defiant Not sure how a star destroyer copes against a dominion dreadnought Not sure how a starwars blaster defeats a borg drone I just dont think syar wars stands a chance at all. The most powerful thing in starwars in the planet killer starbase. It would be gone in a thought against q
Star Wars ships do have shields. They are very basic though next to nothing compared to Star Trek ships shields. Most scenarios shields prevent transporters from working. You have to factor in the bad effects on organic materials as well as inorganic ones seen in numerous Trek episodes where a transporter fails or can't get through a shield.
@wesxander4329we see that the borg, dominion and other races can beam through shields. We also know starfleet csn analyise shirld freuency and beam things though them by the 24th century. 7 of 9 used that exact technology tp distroy a cube. Equally stsrwars tech would not evrn see transporter tech coming so they would not know to remodulate the shields. Its sn easy victory
@michaelmorris1741he would find it amusing to play with his food. And that is what starwars is up against. Beings capable of seeing thr biggest and baddest of starwars threats as a play thing
Well now that depends, are we talking the human starships, goaauld, Asgard, Ori? Not sure the human ships would fare very well.. nor the go'auld really. Asgard, Ori, yeah they might...
BS again Stargate ships have limited range. They want fight in close and personal just like Star Wars. Trek doesn't have to play by those rules especially if they cut in warp power for pivoting turns and combat runs like seen in TOS. Fact is in real life why would say as US destroyer ever close with a WW II style armed destroyer to fight her? The fact is they would not. Tomahawks would destroy the WW II destroyer before she ever got into 5 inch gun range.
@wesxander4329 The ships appear just as close during battles on Trek series LOL 😂 It's common in ALL sci fi, because it looks cooler on the screen. How is this concept so difficult for some of you to grasp? If any of this was real, the ships would be shooting at each other from tens of thousands of km apart, and you wouldn't be able to see either one
We can have that debate, but in terms of organization the Empire is well ahead of the federation, based on shear industria capabilities. They control a full galaxy and have millions of star crafts, there is no comparison. I enjoy Star Trek far more than Star Wars that for me, it's not even Science fiction (I don't dislike the originals, Rogue or the prequels)
Star wars has much more than just ISD, there are many ships in SW that would give ST ships a beating. A type 3 civilization which star wars is , is much more powerful than a type 2 which ST is. There is more "cannon" knowledge about Star Trek because there's so many episodes, we don't actually get to see what actually is going on in SW vessel, the movies are just about showing the action. All out war, star wars complely conquers the Milky way.
No, it's not type 3. It can't harness the entire energy of its galaxy. They go about it one planet at a time, sometimes utilizing a star here and there. Aside from hyper-drive (which is impressive), Star Wars tech isn't THAT amazing.
If we are talking Cap. Kirk era then yes Starwars wins!! But if we are talking Cap. Picard then Starwars wasn’t even in the game!!! But this still would be awesome to see!!! We also have to consider ships like the defiance and Voyager. Not to mention cloaking devices.
The Constitution class is 100 years behind a Galaxy class cruiser. Your analogy is flawed. Phaser ranges have not increased in the series by much at all. Neither has torpedo's. What has increased is raw power yield. The other change is shield strength has increased dramatically as well as to how much energy they can absorb and not degrade. Star Wars can't fight a Constitution class at all. Their tech is quite literally 500 years or so behind. Again modern examples in Naval warfare apply. A US destroyer now a days would blow a WWII destroyer out the water long before the WWII design could bring her 5 inch guns to bear. Both have 5 inch guns for tactical reasons but that's the weapon of last choice for a modern US destroyer. Even in Kirks time phaser ranges are measured at 120,000 km to 200,000 km. So much for a Star Destroyer ever scoring a hit! Star Wars loses the moment phasers and shields enter the Trek universe!
Interesting video. Nothing true in it. Star Trek is a type 2 civilization, Star Wars is a type 3 civilization. You can educate yourself by reading what the difference is. Type II civilization (stellar) - that's why fideration is explorers. Not yet reach type 3. Type III civilization (galactic) There is no Federation ship that can survive a battle with an Executor class star destroyer. 1. Raised deflector shields cannot be penetrated, bypassed or disabled from the outside. You can't teleport anything from the outside. Shields are energy insulators. For the stupid Star Trek idiots who think you can teleport a bomb from the outside, they are very deluded fanboys. 2. Destroyers have tractor beams that do NOT allow the ships to MOVE at all. 3. The first Executor class ships had only one weak point and it was on the roof of the ship. After the loss of Darth Vader's executioner, this point was completely removed. The two blast towers are not on the outside in the next editions of this class of ships. In the Eclipse class, they are completely absent. The ship has Ray shields only on the inside, outside the ship is protected by an energy shield that is impenetrable by anything. Finally, the guy who talks about physics, tell me how an energy shield can be penetrated? I'll tell you. IT CANNOT! I expect you to make a video of Spock defeating Darth Vader :) I wouldn't be surprised.
Okay in a full scale no holds barred fight the empire wins hands down and heres why.If the empire is aware of starfleet combat doctrine and starfleets rules of engagement the fight will be over before it starts.The empire can field many more ships and has no concerns over bombing words so heres how it plays out. The empire first recons starfleet territory an collects information via its many means of intelligence gathering.Once they have a complete picture an know where to strike the deathstar in its opeing move destroys starfleet Hq/earth while swarms of star destroyers hit key targets.They leave out the klingons because the emperor sees them as potential.Starfleet rallies but they only have a tactical ship advantage where as the empire can hit strategic targets faster and harder.Starfleet can win any ship battle if not grossly outnumbered but ultimately fall.
They can't even target Star Trek ships; they can fight while at Warp, Star Wars can't. It would be pathetic. I love Star Wars, maybe because their tech isn't so 'magic'.
Star Trek - That's not a moon! Capt. - Options. Me - We can modify a shuttle craft and remove deflector and any other safeties that prevent us from flying into objects at warp. Also have the computer running the impulse engines at full speed to ensure even if the shuttle is forced out of warp, it will maintain some speed close to light speed. That would allow us to hit that "moon thing" with whatever the mass of a shuttle is, at relativistic speeds. Since E=MC2 and the C squared part is a lot. It will be enough to destroy any moon or planet for that matter. Capt. - Wait a minute. Would it be worth it to destroy the entire plot of any and every danger we will ever face in the future? Me - We could pretend it never happened after this episode. Capt.- Excellent. Make it so, and be sure to have Mr. Date remove all evidence of this from the computers and have Dr Crusher remove our memories.
Star trek transporters would make a huge difference.
That shit is broken
Teleporters cannot work through durallium, which is in both series and is used in all star wars ships ie durasteel. They don't need shields to stop teleporters in Star Wars.
@cameronzwicke5761 But all it takes is the punch latest hold through the doorlium and guess what transporters can punch right through it
@cameronzwicke5761 All the fighters can be one shot. Beam the pilot out. Hand and ship phasers can kill or disable. And people that read minds.
@cameronzwicke5761 *LMAO* Umm, no.
Put Sisko in the chair of the Defiant vs the Death Star... I'm taking the Defiant everyday, and Sunday. Pretty sure the DS fifing dish couldn't withstand a single photon torpedo.
It's "taking the defiant every day, and twice on Sunday!"
You are right on point! The Defiant is a tough little ship! Thumbs up!
@darrkstarg Little?
Star Wars ship have inferior weapons and shields
Yeap, that is actually true. many things in starwars is epically large due to the start of technology. In startrek the technology is matured, and a higher level. The starwars galaxy can only use, ( The falcons warp/ 1.5. as can only use a hyper=route that magnifies speed only in the hyperlane. Hyperspeed is Warp factor, X strength of the hyperlane. So in a hyperlane the enterprise is faster then the falon. The enterprise can go warp 9.98 outside of hyperlane. Starwars has the pre-cursor to phasers. Starwars ships has Deflector shields only. Startrek has both Deflector shields, and shields connected to warp drives. The Death Star has one laser that can destroy a planet. The Galaxy has 12 phaser banks, each one can destroy a planet. Starwars has photon torp bolts. Startrek is anti-matter warheads of multiple strength levels. So some startrek ships, like the enterprise fires anti-matter warheads of 4/8/12. In later trek this is scaled to the next tropedo that is 100times higher. Species 8479 has the power of the DeathStar in between frigates that combine to create a Phaser strong enough to single shot a planet. Then Startrek has condensed matter bombs that blows up entire stars, and planets with torps/ships the side of my car.
Star wars ships are akin to colonial age ships where Star Trek is more like modern ships in comparison
@leoman555 it's a sound point, that is missing with fan groups. I can accept the USS constitution, as a beautiful ship, just in the same way that i accept that the "Grey Ghost" USS Enterprise was a beast of a ship.
No Laser Cannons: The most common weapon on starfighters and light transports, used for anti-starfighter combat.
Turbolasers: Massive, high-energy weapons found on capital ships (like Star Destroyers) designed to penetrate heavy armor and shields.
Blaster Cannons: Heavier, slower-firing versions of laser cannons often used for increased damage against armored targets.
Quad Laser Cannons: Four small laser cannons linked together for high-volume anti-fighter fire.
Disruptor Weapons: Highly destructive weapons that excel at piercing armor, often considered restricted or illegal.
Beam Weapons: Focused energy beams, such as the composite beam cannon used on specialized warships.
Projectile Ordnance
Proton Torpedoes: Highly advanced, armor-piercing projectiles often used by bombers and starfighters.
Concussion Missiles: Faster missiles with a large blast radius, used against shields and lighter starships.
Space Mines: Defensive explosives deployed to block enemy flight paths, including standard, advanced, and heavy variants.
Mass-Driver Cannons: Projectile launchers that fire solid slugs at high speeds, often used to bypass deflector shields.
Specialized Weapons & Systems
Tractor Beams: Energy projectors used to grab, hold, or restrict the movement of enemy vessels.
Gravity Well Projectors: Devices that create a false gravity field to prevent ships from activating their hyperdrives.
Bomblet Generators: Specialized systems, like those on TIE Defenders, that release small explosive devices.
Flak Guns: Area-of-effect weapons designed to disrupt enemy formations and destroy missiles. And there special ships that have even weirder lay outs
ST transporters can be a weapon too. Take the SW crews right out of their ships and drop them anywhere that would kill them quickly (surface of star, space, bits and pieces everywhere, etc) OR use it to remove critical components of a Death Star, or teleport a big bomb onto the station.
I wonder if Vader could use the force to resist a ST transporter if he had never seen one used before?
In STNG, we saw a Klingon ship eliminate the entire biosphere of a planet with a single torpedo. The Federation had similar weapons.
Star Trek ships have one neat trick. Beam a dozen photon torpedoes into the target ship. Hard to bounce back from that.
Transporter technology is something completely lacking in the Star Wars universe and shouldn't be underestimated.
1. Raised deflector shields cannot be penetrated, bypassed or disabled from the outside. You can't teleport anything from the outside. Shields are energy insulators.
@dj_jx - Unless shields in the Star Wars universe are "all or none" (e.g., not provisioned in sections), all it would take is knocking them out in one small area.
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When a ship in the Star Wars universe takes down a shield, all they can do is continue shooting up the armor underneath. At that point, most ships from the Star Trek universe can utilize their transporter advantage.
@dj_jx There are no shields over the engine exhausts on SW ships, there never has been, except in some fanfiction.
@dj_jx Ray, or particle shield? Could either actually block a federation transporter at all? Completely different tech, it may be as effective as a sheet of paper
One thing star trek has in spades is weapons range and if you believe strange new worlds it’s got weapons power to
Even if you just take what we see on screen, for both franchises, ST outranges SW massively.
I think SNW is gonna get tossed in most debates. That half the power of a star thing is just to crazy. The enterprise doesn’t even carry enough antimatter to generate that much power. Unless there’s a lot of amplification going on that we don’t know about.
@shaunkelly9053it makes sense. Multiple episodes have stated the enterprise is able to one shot a continent (the cage, whom gods destroy, obsession, the die is cast, children of mars, reeds statement of 1000 NX01 phase cannons being able to match the xindi planet killer, garaks statement about the defiant being able to turn a planet into cinder, etc) makes it a lot more believable since these quotes and showings support the SNW value. Sure, its more than likely not a standard combat yield, but the fact that the OG enterprise is able to do this means that we have a limit for them, and it matches well within the other showings i mentioned
@homelessend8557I’m also loath to consider any of the new trek cannon in anyway. SNW has some ok episodes but it’s got some pretty garbage ones too. I think the main issue with half the sun power is the amount of matter and antimatter you’d have to react to get that amount of power. The ship doesn’t carry that much.
@shaunkelly9053trek antimatter either behaves differently than our own universes antimatter or, as mentioned earlier, theres a better way they can process and harness it much better thsn what we could imagine.
I already mentioned multiple episodes that support the SNW quote which itself isnt new. TDiC scene specifically works with well over 40 petatons (above the SNW quote) per shot assuming they wanted to pretty much melt 30% of the planetary crust
This is exactly the type of conversations I have with Grok lol. Sounds just like one of its responses.
Star Trek actually has the greater destructive power in the fact that they can supernova stars with a torpedo.
Never heard of the Sun crusher, eh?
@willlewis6386 a singular one off vessel that was never again replicated does not stack up against the ability to casually mass-produce supernova inducing torpedoes that any ship can be armed with. 🙄 Besides, the sun crusher isn't even canon to Star Wars so it's irrelevant either way.
@TheRealRightPricelet's not forget suncrusher is unshielded which means a simple beam up of the pilot and GG
What's not taken into the discussion is Star Trek's teleportation techniques. The ability to transport crew, equipment or weapons to points within the enemy ships. Everything from covert and overt boarding parties to ability to dump a antimatter device directly into the plasma generator of the enemy engine room or steal equipment directly from it's mountings and transport it into space or just kidnap the enemy command staff right off their bridge?!? There is a lot of Trek tech that it left out of this discussion.
So, You want to beam a crew of redshirts on board an ISD with a crew compliment of 36,000?
The Imperials will always have the advantage over numbers of people.
Scenareo 2, I think we can pretty much just ignore tie fighters vs soverign... even in considerable numbers.
If strength means biggest explosions, TREK wins. Y'wanna know how? Beam a few photon or quantum torps in next to the imp cap ship's reactors. Ray sheilds, Partical sheilds, they shouldnt be able to stop a transporter, they're not built for it. Doubt the deathstar would fare *any* better with a few torps beamed in around its reactor either. And where an X-wing could fly, so could a federation shuttle. If up against the Deathstar2, that thing had holes big enough in it for the falcon to fly into, so getting a defiant class in there would be no problem.
The BIGGEST consideration though, is weapon range. Turbolasers have a range of something like 12KM, vs more like 300,000KM for federation phasers. All the fed ships would need to do is sit some distance off, very likley way beyond the empire's sensor range... the imps wouldnt even know what was slicing their ships up.
Starfleet sensors are some of the best, in the Trek Universe and are hugely superior to anything in the SW universe. We get to see on screen examples of this multiple times but one of my favourites is when Gul Macet (played by Gul Dukat actor, Marc Alaimo) is on the Ent-D and is surprised when the Enterprise can tell what is happening between a rogue federation ship and some Cardassian ships, 2 Sectors away from them. A Sector is a cube 20x20x20 light years across. So, they could observe, in detail the combat taking place between 21 and 40 light years away from them. Star Wars sensors don't seem to be able to see anything much beyond Solar System ranges.
I've always thought that Star Wars ships looked under gunned, with the exception of the Death Star. From the very first scene of Star Wars, when a Star Destroyer was attacking Princess Leia's ship, you see the Star Destroyer's laser's firing, and there are flares when their shields are hit, but you never see any damage on the target ship. A Federation Constitution Class would have had a continuous beam hitting the ship, knocking down the shields, and then destroying the ship itself. If you think that Leia's ships just have great shields and that's why they Star Destroyer wasn't doing anything- no, SW shields suck. Consider the Millenium Falcon landing on a Star Destroyer, or the Imperial Fleet being savaged by an asteroid field: Imperial Shields do almost NOTHING.
Because Vader's goal was to capture the Tantive IV, not destroy it 🤔
@Sovereign01which they missed a huge portion of shots required to take it out
star trek ships can engage from MUCH further away than sw ships. they also have more advanced technology, since star trek plays in the future, meanwhile star wars plays in the past. those lasers can tickle the enterprise d's shields at their best. im happy to be corrected on that
This video is sort of shallow.
Star Trek "in the future" is barely 300 years of technology advancement.
Star Wars has 30,000 years (see the rakata or gree) of technology advancement.
For star trek, you can't use the Iconian tech as a reference. (200,000 years ago)
Also, for Star destroyers, the 10¹⁹ to 10²⁵ watts reference for a solar ionization engine of a star destroyer is at a stable constant use - just like an at-at, it is possible to use "maximum fire power", far exceeding star trek (federation) weaponry.
@TheHardReturn Tech in the empire is stagnant... their philosphy of bigger is better doesnt drive development, just enlargement.
I did the math once on one of these trek-vs-wars videos, and though I cant remember the exact numbers now, and YT erased the post for some reason, I calculated that, using figures from the Enterprise D while she was holding the doors of that dyson sphere open, already damaged, she could withstand I think it was 8-9 hours of constant bombardment from a stardestroyer with 100 turbolasers. That is assuming the D just sits there and takes it, no repairs at all, no fighting back. And that the stardestroyer could use all 100, which of course they cant against a single target unless pointed directly at them. Even a few degrees to port or starbord, or ventral/dorsal, and the destroyer's available weapons are cut in half by their own hull. Ontop of the sheilds of the D being able to take such a beating, and my data was for an already damaged Enterprise, the empire's dual shield types could present a great vulnerability. Can either a ray or partical shield block transporters? With a transporter range of 40,000KM (TNG era) a trek ship could simply beam a photon torpedo, or even a quantum, right in next to the imp's reactor... b'bye stardestroyer. Sensor ranges of stardestroyers is, vague, at best. Some claim 10s of thousands of KM, some upto 17 lightyears with very low resolution. The imps may know there is **something** out there, but with no transporter tech of their own, they sure wouldnt be expecting an explosive device to just appear next to their reactor.
@TheHardReturn EU numbers are nonsense.
@TheHardReturn I can defeat your theory. More Advanced First Order Ships, including The Supremacy could not catch up, nor destroy less advanced Resistance Ships, and had to wait for them to run out of fuel before catching up, and destroying them. So, Your theory is pretty much...DOA.
Plus If you took 30,000 year old weapons advancement from Star Wars (A Long time ago in a galaxy far, far away,) comparing it to Federation...30,000 Years ago on Earth. The most "Advanced" weapon was a spear.
Just remember: the maximum output of an ISD is just 7.73E+24W, while the power output of ONE phaser bank of the Constitution Class Enterprise is beyond 1.61E+26W.
SW ships has maximum speed of about 150 MGLT, while 4200g acceleration equals to 21MGLT/s, and ST ships can reach one third the speed of light in like a few seconds.
Given that there is no official definition for the term 'MGLT', that was used by the effects crew, for the relative speeds of the various spacecraft, during the Battle of Endor recordings, you cannot make any claim here that can be taken as 'real' or even comparative to Star Trek measures.
It is however quite clear that SW ships move a lot slower than ST ships, in sublight motion. While SW ships move much faster than ST ships in FTL speeds but have restrictions on that movement, that Warp does not.
I'm not going to go into the weapon power outputs of the two, other than to say that it takes an Imperial Fleet to 'glass' a planet after hours of firing and it takes a single Starfleet cruiser to do the same in minutes.
Where are you getting those weapons numbers?
@shaunkelly9053bot sure where he got the calc for the ISD main guns, but it makes sense if its a calculated value.
SNW s3 ep10 explicitly states that number for maximum phaser output power, half the output of the sun. Well beyond any standard SW capital ship weapon barring any superweapons
@homelessend8557I know. I saw the episode. While I like being able to club people over the head with it in VS debates. I kinda also have to toss it cause it’s too extreme.
@shaunkelly9053it is not extreme considering that multiple episodes and showings prove it to be doable. To throw that away, means to throw away every other high end example of trek doing that.
If you really wanted to use a throwaway line, then we wouldve went with the sonic weapon that output more power the the entire visible universe (this one for a fact was a one off and should be discarded)
The snw statement was specifically stated multiple times as a fact that they can do that. As well as it fits with the higher ends weve seen and heard trek be able to do. And the best part about that quote? Its not even the highest end. That would go to the die is cast where 20 ships destroy 30% of the planetary crust
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Transporters, and other things already mentioned.
Star Trek weapons are idk, long-range disintegration beams, Antimatter strapped to an missile to an missile to an missile that explode due to quantum shenanigans and their shields uses graviton polarity which is basically OP.
"Death Star wins" I see we totally failed to include Red Matter and the NCC-1701 J
Forgot the massive range advantage Trek has.
What would be interesting would be to have a match-up of whether the Borg can assimilate the Star Wars Empire! I just don't see how the Borg could be stopped...
Then you talk about fire power - put the power of Star Wars - yes even the death star up against Species 8472... not only would the bioships never get hit with the death star weapon, but it would be annihilated not only with the planetary union formation of multiple bioships, but 1 ship would beat the death star...
StarTrek ships have a lockon phaser range (at its, basic, normal strenght) of 2 LIGHT SECONDS. Thats around 200.000 Kms...SW ships have to fight at extreme close ranges, their weapons are less effective and tends to miss easily at long ranges...
That in itself already tell how things would go...
Then full impulse IS 0.5c...in normal space. SW ships would hit jack shit while being easy targets for the weakest ST ships...
Easy win for ST...
A light second is 300000 km
Star wars ships can move at 60-80 mglt which is around .1 light years a minute which is around 200m km per second.
Full impulse is 0.2c. Their weapons are effective out one light second, which is over 200,000 Km.
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@cameronzwicke5761probably some non-canon EU/legends number.
Good video your right the empire ships were pure warships with strong weapons engine s shields, were startreck federation were multi purpose ships. Take the battle with borg cube at wolf 359 one huge disaster they lost 40 ships because borg had more powerful weapons. And yes federation latter created more powerful ships with better engs shields weapons and some were even equipped with some armor
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Trek ships are faster in sublight and have a range advantage of about 250,000km. An ISD would never be able to hit a Trek ship, let alone destroy one.
Which was proven in The Last Jedi when the First Order ships could not catch up to the resistance ships, which was barely out of firing range.
Superb I have been thinking star wars against start trek the last month.
I think the affect of Tie swarms is being overlooked some. Yes, their individual weapons are nothing more than paper cuts to the shields of a Trek ship, but it is a lot of paper cuts in addition to the turbo lasers
They couldn't even catch a galaxy class ship. They move in iterations of MACH; Star Trek ships move in normal space-time at %s of the speed of light.
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Also once star trek realizes that Al Star Wars ships require fuel it’s over, simply take out the supply lines. Federation ships and most in ST run on antimatter reactors that only need periodic dilithium replacement…as in years. The ability for SW to simply run away from a fight potentially on the other side of the galaxy is probably their one major victory (aside from planet killing machines and force users). Granted if the x-wing or millennium falcon can blow up the Death Star then a single federation capital starship would be able to take one out, just repeatedly burn through to the core by firing at the same area while moving and staying away from the laser array, easy with their tech
They could literally transport a quantum torpedo down the shaft. Easily done.
@michaelmorris1741more like right up their shaft 😂
Both universes bend physics well beyond reality or possibility. Physics simply breaks completely in Star Trek and in Star Wars, we must assume another universe all together.
Shield systems go down when you take out the shield generators? True but you have to get through the shields first to do that. That means it's a failure you cannot count on or use as a strategy.
ST could just transport the entire SW bridge crew into the exhaust of their own ship....🤣🤣
The funniest thing to me is that in this video, only Federation starships are talked about. No mention of the Romulans, Cardassians, Breen, Dominion, Housnock, Shelliak, First Federation, Tholians, Zalkonians, Species 8472 or the BORG. Imagine if the WHOLE of the Star Trek universe united to fight all of the Star Wars universe. Wouldn't be much of a fight, especially in space.
Funny thing, there was a similar video on Facebook a few days ago about ST and SW who would win... I posted just about the same thing you did here.
Star Wars uses regular materials, Star Trek use materials bonded at the molecular level. It's not a contest.
im not a huge Star-wars fan but a few weeks back I heard some numbers on the size of the Star-wars empire, I don't think it really matters how much more advanced Star-trek ships are it would take forever to conquer the S,W empire and Star-wars is largely Human so they can understand Star-trek Tech so im thinking it would take far to long for the empire to really lose that war and they would match federation tech long before that happened then massively outmatch federation fleet construction speed.
In terms of most space fiction, most tend to stay in the Star Wars pattern, rather than the Star Trek pattern, so they are more interchangeable. Star Trek is the outlier. Star Wars pattern being large heavily armored and armed ships, with small agile fighter accompaniment. Force fields and deflectors are present and available, but not the main source of protection. Light speed as a limiting factor, with alternate modes of transiting great distances, such as jump/star gates, hyperspace and space folding or time warping. Most do not have matter transporting, and use shuttle craft for transportation between ships and worlds. Also very prevalent in the Star Wars pattern is much less obsession with the technology and more emphasis on the story. Most Star Wars pattern creations rarely talk about the nature of the technology, whereas the Star Trek pattern is obsessed with it and talk about it continuously. In fact, it's a crutch and deus ex machina tech discoveries is the recurring theme through it, making it, in my opinion, a weaker pattern of story telling and development.
I think star wars can be competative only if they philosophy is similar to star trek.
Does anyone know of a video about the Star Wars executor vs Star Trek uss vengeance? If so please let me know the name I have been trying to find a video about it for a while now with no luck only get the smaller star destroyers
These videos typically aren't Star Wars vs. Star Trek but Empire vs. Federation. The Star Trek universe has far more varied levels of technology. How well would the Empire fare against ships capable of cloaking (e.g., Romulans and Klingons), Breen energy disruptions, Dominion ships (recall that Federation shields were initially useless against their weapons), not to mention technology the Federation has but doesn't deploy (e.g., the phase cloak, and the transphasic torpedoes and deployable armor Voyager was equipped with at the end). Then you have more technologically advanced civilizations such as the Borg and the Voth.
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If it was the complete known galaxy for each universe vs. the other, I can't see the Empire standing much of a chance.
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So... it's either a draw, or just blind chance.
This "debate" has been going since TMP, at least. The ships are the weakest element of the Star Wars universe. Fed ships against Empire would be a slaughter for the Empire. But it's worse, since there's no need to fight. What shields SW ships have wouldn't slow a transporter at all. All the physical armor is helpless against any photon torpedo. The answer to this debate is as old as the debate itself: Beam in a torpedo, unass the area at Warp Getusouttahere. Boom. The end.
How about Star Trek vs the entire MCU fleets of ships? The Kree, Xandarians/Nova Corp, Asgardians with Odin and Thanos with his fleet of Outriders against Star Fleet. Star Fleet gets Q but Thanos has the Infinity Gauntlet with all the infintiy stones? Who wins that battle?
In star trek Voyager thei got transfathe torpilles. I think 1 shot will and à dead star
Exactly, That series finale alone deep in Borg space and Voyager winning should tell you how far the tech is for Star Trek in the future. The best Star Wars tech we have seen is not even in the same league.
One thing everybody that's forgetting about cloaking technology Star trek Has access to cloaking technology what good is it for a ship to have autos Turbo lasers and shielding if they don't employ it because they don't realize attacking ship is there a few quantum torpedoes going up into engine exhaust before I'm aware a ship is there will totally e d a battle and instill fear
Leave STD and everything "modern day Star Drek/Kurtzman Drek" out of being called Star Trek
It's like comparing a thick porterhouse to a vegetable meat substitute
This is hardly fair since it’s fantasy versus science fiction.
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Star Wars' ships are based on navy ships and 2 dimensional planes. All Star Trek ships have to do is move to the bottom of Star Wars' capital ships.
A trek era starship has shields that no basic lasers can penetrate. Plus the photon torpedo would obliterate any Star Wars ship, including the big capital ships.
You're making it too close. Trek any day.
Star trek wepons tec and shields are stronger better manouvabilty speed can attack further out the only advantage the empire has is ship size and quantity which is its own quality but 1 on 1 Startrek wins .
Not to mention they can get pin point (literally hit the point of a pin) accuracy.
@michaelmorris1741 Correct 👍
Is the Text to speach new? I don't remember previous videos using it, but i am new here, it's really off putting
We need a Star Wars versus Star Trek movie. Thumbs up to make it happen
It can be voyager trying to get home but run into a star wars like sector in the beta quadrant in frozen episode. Close enough to get a federation armada
In other words, they don't know
Star Wars has Sith sorcery / Jedi battle meditation. Hard to fight if the crew cowers shivering in a corner or attacks their own crew. Magic wins…
Star Trek has Q. Game-Set-Match.
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Tactics and mobility. Doesn't matter how powerful a turbolaser battery is or how many TIE fighters an ISD carries if they can't reach the target. A Federation starship is far far faster than anything in Star Wars on the sublight scale and can engage in combat while in warp. A hyperdrive isn't practical for combat use, especially when a navicomputer has to calculate every jump.
Borg trans warp and adaptability would be would be star trek saving grace... otherwise Star wars ability to move fleets vast distances at a much faster scale ..sheer power output and number of ships would most likely not only destroys Starfleet but all of the star trek universe as well...factoring in the Borg and species 8472...would tips the scales in star trek favor...
I would say at base level Star Wars wins, but Star Trek has a much higher upper limit. When you scale up to a type 2 civilization the technology becomes way more powerful than anything in Star Wars, their planet destroyers are a mere fraction of the size and they scale up to multi solar system level at even type 2. They don't have teleportation technology nearly as common in SW and what they do have is rare technology, even the upper limits of speed make nearly anything in Star Wars seem slow.
Star trek just disables the shields on an ISD and just randomly "beams" quantum and Proton torpedoes in it on timers. It would be over in minutes, even the death star couldn't take that punishment, especially if 1 normal torpedo is in the hundreds of megatons or possibly gigaton range, but the quantum torpedoes do even more damage, one even close, like 200M away from the ISD reactor or hyperfuel storage and the ISD detonates!!! Also, the death star also carries loads of that hyperfuel needed for its hyperspace flight. Just gotta stay away from the bullseye😂😂
A lot of the tech in Srarwars is inferior to Star Trek, transporter and replicator technology being a huge advantage. However a less obvious defecit for Srarwars is the sensor technology.
When a star destroyer loses the Millennium Falcon after it jumps to hyperspace their sensors have no way of tracking it. If you know what "The Picard Maneuver" is and how it works, this implies that the slower sensor technology and real time weapons firing/tracking capabilities would make a Star Destroyer functionally a ditting duck to a galaxy class starship repositioning during combat at warp.
Now imagine data reading scans of the Death Star. How long do you think it would take him to discover Galen Erso's inbuilt weakness and how long to hatch a plan to bring a shuttle out of warp and simply precision target the vent? The targeting and sensor technology in Srar Trek enable their battle ships to be able to respond as if the have the benefits of the force - in terms of speed and precision. And that's on every ship in star trek vs regular imperial officers trying to target them.
Besides just transporting the torpedo yeild would achieve the same thing anyway and that's the killer defecit. The type of warfare star trek is capable of due to transporter technology gives them a constant tactical advantage.
The moon base shield for the second death star requires the additional step of modulating the phaser harmonics to destroy the shield generator and then transporting torpedoes into the death star once again for the coup de grace.
Starfleet troops and the humans in that society are simply operating at a higher level, because they have come close to fullfilling human potential.
Where as the Empire attempts to stifle it and as such ends up generating weaknesses (i.e. Galen's weakness) because the empire is so rotten to the core that it is fighting/making enemies of many key individuals within it's own infrastructure.
Star Trek wins because it has achieved true strength and is capable of a great many things the empire could only dream of.
All the star trek ships have to do is get behind the slow maneuvering star wars ships stay there destroy the star wars ships engines and the star wars ship losses. Period. Star Trek wins every time.
Weapon range, accuracy, and vessel speed are too big an advantage for Star Trek. Check the ranges for both verses weapons. Also, Star Wars shields don't stop solid objects as seen when xwings fly and crash into them. This proves that photon torpedoes would ignore star wars shielding and pass through to directly impact the hull, just like xwings do. Star Trek weapons are accurate enough to target subsystems. Shield generator would be the first thing sniped from distances too great for return fire by an ISD. Then, photon torpedoes could easily be teleported onto the bridge, still at ranges too great for the ISD to return fire. Star Trek ship would be moving at impulse speed which is 1/3rd light speed. ISD wouldn't stand a chance vs a Galaxy class starship. Phasers are computer targeted so tie fighters would get picked off before ever getting into weapons range as well. Just no hope for Star Wars.
Star Trek weapons are far more powerful than Star Wars!
Star War ships would get picked off by Star Trek ships from 500,000km or more. Let's look at proven canon in Star Wars. The First Order had to wait for Resistance Ships to run out of fuel at a distance of no more than 2,000 kms. Range weapons of The Federation would laugh. Not to mention the speed of moving at 3/4th the speed of light around ships that move at a pace of 900km per hour in space. Speed Kills Period.
Neither. Asgard.
Teleporters dont work through shields. So trek shields have to be down and star wars ships shields have to be down. Trek still wins easy though.
seems everyone has forgotten that there are ion cannons in play and those pesky tie bombers and fighters
This has been know for awhile. Star Wars wins initially but Star Trek for longer battles. Those replicators come in handy
Lets not forget another tech that is never brought up in these videos, holograms! Sure, the empire may have 'soft light' holograms, ie no substance at all, used as communications devices, but the 'hard light' holograms that trek uses are capable of simulating weaponry on a starship scale, Voyager used some while defending that Talaxian astreroid settlement I think? How would the empire react to holoships that can dish out the punishment, but when their blaster bolts reach the target, the holoship just goes soft and lets it pass straight through with no damage done. Even more effective if the holoship has a mobile emitter, rather than being projected from another ship's hull.
(And yes I know soft light and hard light holograms are a RedDwarf thing, not trek or starwars, but the definition is stil valid)
It's not just that Starfleet ships Federation ships are stronger than the galactic Imperial ships let's take Shields for example so it's well established Canon that because of the shields that Starfleet ships are immune to emps electromagnetic pulses the specific EM spectrum that laser-based weapons operate in Falls in that em pulse Spectrum which means if they have their Shields up that Death Star itself can sit there all day and fire all it wants at the Enterprise and it's going to be like shooting a BB gun at a freight train it's going to do absolutely nothing so Star Wars ships would have to catch them with their Shields down and do enough damage to prevent them from raising them
While I agree, in principal to SF ships shields being much more durable, than SW ship shields, the Death Star is not firing an normal but very power heavy laser (focused beam of light) but a set of energy beams focussed through Kyber Crystals, which 'enhance' the lasers destructive power and are them combined to give even greater output. I don't think that many Trek races shields could take a shot from one and hold but there are a few.
Disagree guess you never watched TOS with the planet killer. One shot at extreme range and the vaunted Constitution shields are severely damaged. The planet killer in TOS and the Death Star are eerier similar both are doomsday type weapon systems their main weapon destroys planet. The raw power to do that in one short burst or say 2 or 3 (in case of the planet killer) defines the limit of Federation shields. Federation ships would cut in warp drive against something like the Death Star to keep its main cannon out battle much as possible. A direct hit and kiss any starship goodbye. Glancing strike would cripple a Federation vessel forcing immediate retreat for days if not weeks or more. The death star planet killer is one the few weapons in Star Wars that gives them some weight against Federation ships.
@wesxander4329 the planet killers beam weapon was a plasma based weapon......we already know that plasma based weapons exist in the ST universe the romulans use them
@Hitman-zp5wi it was not a plasma based weapon. I read the script books and watched the episode many times. They can still be had at used book stores. Rather like people saying distruptors are plasma based they are not. Disruptor is pure sonic weapon it literally vibrates it's target apart. Again that was covered in the script books as well as the actual scenes in one the shows.
@wesxander4329 im not going to argue
First of all, Starfleet starships will not be shooting at close range. Starfleet starships have a maximum effective tactical range of 300,000 kilometers for phasers and up to 2.5 million kilometers for photon torpedoes, according to the Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual.
Despite these long ranges, in-universe combat often occurs at much shorter distances (5-10 km). Far beyond any Star Wars starships.
long-range engagements have been depicted, such as the Phoenix firing on a Cardassian ship from beyond 300,000 km.
Starwars turbolasers have something like a 12KM max range, with proportional energy dropoff. But yeah, fed ships could just sit well otuside that and plink away unopposed.
Yes but the main reason for close in combat in Trek, is for the visual effects for the viewers.
Citing the original series range in the actual scripts your distance for photon torpedoes is off. They are the more destructive of the two weapons for Federation and travel at warp speed, but their range is limited due to a few seconds of life and due to the limited targeting system on each torpedo fired. Comes down to which literature cannon you adhere to as well. The so-called Gene Rodden Berry Trek Bible spelled things out, but the series stopped using that shortly after his death. Voyager was the last series to take it somewhat seriously.
I've done this before so here is my input:
Scenario for this epic “Star Wars vs. Star Trek” showdown. Let’s layer in all the factors-without Q or posthumous Force use, defined resource limits, and communication dynamics-and walk through who gains the upper hand.
1. Scope & Resources
Star Trek: Supplies are confined to a single galaxy-the resource base includes Federation, Klingon, Romulan worlds, Borg, etc. Vast, but bounded.
Star Wars: Has access to a region akin to a Vela Cluster, significantly larger than a single galaxy-multiplying potential shipyards, worlds, and manpower.
Advantage: Star Wars - sheer resource volume vastly exceeds that of one galaxy. Over 1,700 galaxies.
Vela Supercluster Highlights
It contains about 20 identified galaxy clusters.
Within just six of those clusters, astronomers have cataloged over 1,700 galaxies.
The full supercluster likely contains many thousands of galaxies, though exact numbers are still being refined due to observational challenges
2. Communication & Coordination
Star Wars: Benefits from the HoloNet and hyperwave systems, enabling nearly instantaneous, secure communication across vast distances within their domain.
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Star Trek: Relies on subspace radio; though FTL, it’s finite-not instantaneous, and dependent on relays. Delays can range from minutes to weeks in remote areas. Transmission speeds hover around Warp 9.9997 (~183,000 c)
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Advantage: Star Wars - able to coordinate battlefield movements, reinforcements, and strategy in real time.
3. Military Tech & Tactics
Star Wars: Fields vast fleets-Star Destroyers, cruisers, ground armies-and can deploy overwhelming numbers. Tech includes superweapons (like Death Stars), shielded ships, and hyperspace maneuvers.
Star Trek: Possesses highly advanced, precision-driven technology: powered shields, tactical sensors, transporters, warp drive, and superior weapons like photon/quantum torpedoes. Command flexibility combined with stealth (cloaking) and teleportation allows surgical strikes.
Advantage: Star Trek - technological finesse and targeted warfare capabilities counterbalance Star Wars's massed forces.
4. Communication Superiority + Resource Dominance
Adding instant communication to Star Wars’ resource advantage creates a potent synergy. They can:
Outmaneuver Star Trek strategically-adjusting force deployments on the fly.
Deny Star Trek the ability to respond efficiently due to subspace delay.
Overwhelm with coordinated multi-pronged strikes.
While Star Trek's precision remains a key weapon, it’s seriously undermined if they can't synchronize fleets swiftly or reinforce threatened sectors in time.
Final Verdict
Star Wars edges out the victory in this scenario. Here's why:
Their massive resource base allows for production of unmatched fleet numbers and superweapons.
Instant communication enables real-time strategy, swift reaction, and overwhelming coordination.
Star Trek’s precision and tech are formidable-but are largely negated if they cannot adapt quickly across dispersed theaters and can’t relay necessary data fast enough.
Star Wars would likely win, capitalizing on volume, speed of communication, and strategic adaptability.
Yeah, I've worked on numbers for this for a long time. It simply ends up being a war of attrition, one side gradually wears down its opponent to the point of collapse. One side has thousands of galaxies of resources and the other is of one galaxie. In the end it is a numbers game.
Thats funny, regarding scope and resources, wookipedia shows a map of the empire and it only covers about 2/3 of a single galaxy. Ok, thats more than the alpha quadrant, but its nowhere near your claim.
Star Trek has industrial replicators..they don't need access to huge amounts of resources. The only chance the Empire would have it getting a hold of Federation tech and successfully adapting it. THEN the Empire's numbers could win the day. That assumes they could understand it; not a given since they've been stuck with their current tech for tens of millennia.
@michaelmorris1741 You forgot "Q". That is another way Star Trek always wins.
I've never seen an episode where an entire starship was created in an instant in Star Trek by being replicated in a replicator. Or even in a book a starship being replicated, in one instantly.
They could just make a Hologram army of clone holograms like Doctor on Voyager (Emergency Medical Hologram). A fleet of Hologram starships for that matter.
Well here is some number for you:
Star Trek Beyond grossed in the box office in the US $158.8 million.
Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker in the box office in the us grossed $515 million.
Can I say that Star Wars kicked Star Treks ass now? Q couldn't even save them in that regard.
@michaelmorris1741 Got one more for you. Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet with all the infinity stones and his fleet of ships. Could he defeat Star Trek?
The biggest issues is Starfleet ships typically travel solo. When encountering a serious threat, they can rally 10 to 20 ships quickly. Imperial Star Destroyers travel in packs, 3 or 4 ships. In a moments notice, they can have up to 100+. A lone ST ship wouldn’t stand a chance.
I love trek as much as the next guy but in terms of raw power trek for all its advanced tech doesn't come close to the destruction wrought by an ISD let along anything bigger like an Executor class star dreadnought.
While a fed starship does have the advantage in certain areas it's important to remember they are still subject to the typical protocols which would first be to open hailing frequencies, identify oneself and hope to establish some form of diplomatic relations.
An Imperial warship on the other hand has no such interest and would much prefer to shoot first, analyse later.
Assuming the feds already have the foreknowledge that the ISD is an immediate threat (let's say they're replying to a garbled distress signal which says a far off fed colony is under attack from a dagger like warship of unknown origin) then they're not gonna bother with the usual niceties and they should be able to fire from distance and damage the Imperial star destroyer before it can retaliate and even better if they know the fact of those two bulbous domes either side of the command tower are in fact shield generators which are themselves vulnerable. They can blast away from millions of kilometers and well beyond the range of Imperial weapons like turbolasers or ion cannons but if the feds close to within visual range they're dead.
Assumimg standard tactics apply it's pretty much a clean sweep for the Imperial forces at least in the beginning. Standard SW ship to ship weapons are in the range of of at least gigatons which far eclipses the total shield output of trek vessels by many times over. Even worse if it's an imperial warship equipped with ion cannons which can disable the electrical systems on an enemy vessel but unlike a turbolaser not destroy jt outright. Equivalent systems do exist in the trekverse most notably the breen energy dampening weapon which cripples the original USS Defiant NX-74205 in the DS9 episode Way Of The Warrior during the 1st battle of Chin'toka but Starfleet lacks such a device among its standard arsenal unlike many SW capital ships.
This is highly dependent on actual combat scenarios of course but the empire is not as easily overcome as this video makes it out to be. Plus, with its vast industrial base, superior acess to raw materials and seemingly endless supply of unfortunately highly disposable personnel available (tie fighter pilots being the prime example) the Empire can just send more ISDs until the feds are overwhelmed by sheer numbers. Cos in a standard engagement at visual range, numbers here are not in Starfleet's favour by a long shot. Eventually, the Feds will learn the hard way after this unknown threat makes mincemeat of any Starfleet ship who tries to talk with it but not before incurring grievous losses in the first few engagements.
It would be similar to the first direct engagement between the Borg and Starfleet at Wolf 359. During the initial encounter the Starfleet armada comprising dozens of ships was effortlessly swept aside by a single Borg Cube which not only sustained little or no meaningful damage during the initial battle but was able to make it all the way to Earth orbit before the rather timely intervention of the Enterprise D results in it's destruction. The second time during the Battle of Sector 001 the Federation fleet was far better prepared & able to seriously damage the cube despite once again suffering serious casualties.
But that was merely a single vessel, the Empire has literally millions of ISDs which are purpose built warships, Federation vessels on the other hand are first and foremost exploration and science gathering platforms. Even purpose built combat assets such as the Defiant class from time to time are assigned to & expected to perform scientific missions despite not being particularly well suited to that function compared to larger starships equipped with science labs such as the Galaxy or Intrepid classes. It's also not a particularly apt or efficient use of limited fleet resources which can be much better deployed elsewhere.
dude, just remember one thing: Constitution-class Enterprise needs only one phaser bank to provide power output of more than 1.61E+26W, as shown in SNW S3 E10, while ISD's maximum output is like 7.73E+24W. Connie has SIX phaser banks with separate batteries; it can easily outclass an Executor-class.
BDZ needs several ISD to bomb for a few hours just to melt down a planet's surface, while 20 Cardassian Galor can vaporize 30 percent of a planet's crust in merely a single barrage. Even Cardassian Galor can easily one-shot an ISD.
Sorry but you are fanboying for SW here. I've been around since before both came out (and been a fan of both since the first viewing), in the cinemas (not quite old enough for STO first runs.) and there's nothing in SW canon (which is what is seen, on screen only, according to both George Lucas and Disney) to show anything like the power outputs claimed but SW megafans over the decades. 1 on 1 or in fleet actions ST wins every time. If it's the entire Imperial Fleet vs just the Entire Starfleet, then it's closer but Trek still wins and if it's the SW galaxy (Canon version) vs the ST Galaxy (Canon version) Trek wins by much more.
Star wars? Gigatons? Is it 2005 again or what? That number has long been debunked thanks to every showing of TCW, Rebels, TLJ, etc. The first order themselves required a dreasnought with specialized orbital cannons go create a single digit gigaton fireball on dqar when trying to destroy the rebels.
Trek on the other hand has the showings of the die is cast, children of mars, perpetual infinity, obsession, as well as the new statement for the enterprises phaser power (can output half the power of the sun) which goes from low teraton to low petaton range
@homelessend8557 Let's allow those. With those high numbers in SNW and DS9, SW has to use Legends to at least have a fighting chance LMAO
@walker93863OK that's fine let's use just canon numbers here and as two examples: During one of the original sequel trilogy films the millennium falcon is being pursued by ISDs and TIEs also through an asteroid field and in the course of that action sequence one shot destroys an asteroid with a single turbolaser blast. in the TNG episode "The Pegasus" the Romulan warbird Terix is looking for the titular starship of the same name as it served as a testbed for a phasing cloak which they want to to capture to study or whatever. To prevent the cloak from falling into Romulan hands Riker proposes to destroy the asteroid containing the Pegasus where he says "it would take most of our photon torpedoes but I think we can do it" .
Also there wasn't just 20 Cardassian (sorry Keldon not Galor class) cruisers, there were also numerous D'deridex class Warbirds present in the combined Romulan/Cardassian fleet which bombarded the founder's original homeworld and those werbirds in terms of raw firepower and size eclipse even the Galaxy class which in turn for a one on one comparison are easily superior to any standard Cardassian warship they might encounter so that's somewhat erroneous.
Doesn't Star Wars still use lasers? Their huge ships are just huge targets for phasers and photon torpedoes.
Not only that but they’re lasers don’t go anywhere near the distance that Star Trek weapons go so most Star Trek ships would be able to sit well outside of the weapons range of those ISD and just take them out
They are closer to pulse plasma disruptors than lasers. They use a plasma bolt, not light wavelength laser.
Most ST fans don't want an honest discussion on power or weapon types etc.
@chrisheitstuman6360 and those Star Wars fans can’t acknowledge the fact that their weapons can’t go anywhere near the distance that weapons go in Star Trek but that’s OK. I don’t expect Star Wars fans to be honest about that either.
Have you seen how close the ISD’s have to be to each other to fire they have to be with visual distance you know they won’t have to be that close in Star Trek right so when your ISD can only fire 1/3 the distance of Star Trek you know u lost
Also, how many people need to be on your ISD’s to operate them? What is it like 10,000 or something face it your technology and your series is garbage dude Cowboys and space is all you are so go play with your little cowboy toys and we’ll deal with the big tech stuff at Star Trek OK OK bye
The only technological benefit they have in Star Wars is your speed and hyper speed is faster. Everything else is completely inferior to everything in Star Trek. You know it I know it so stop being a little baby and just acknowledge your your franchise is not as good when it comes to technology.
Strength in numbers. The empire would have the upper hand.
They have 25k ISDs at their peak, all built with existing manufacturing procedures. The federation mass produced 10k Galaxy class sized vessels to aid in the romulan evacuation within the span of a short time. I doubt numbers will do much anymore
Not seen anything in starwars like a transporter. Still not sure how a star destroyer deals with a quantum torpedo matrialising right next to its reactor.
Not sure how vader would have a hope in hell against Q
Not sure how a death star stands up against the dyson sphere picard found.
Not sure how thr falcon would cope with the defiant
Not sure how a star destroyer copes against a dominion dreadnought
Not sure how a starwars blaster defeats a borg drone
I just dont think syar wars stands a chance at all.
The most powerful thing in starwars in the planet killer starbase. It would be gone in a thought against q
Star Wars ships do have shields. They are very basic though next to nothing compared to Star Trek ships shields. Most scenarios shields prevent transporters from working. You have to factor in the bad effects on organic materials as well as inorganic ones seen in numerous Trek episodes where a transporter fails or can't get through a shield.
It so unfair to use all of star trek media to just star wars movies. If the EU is included star trek has no chance.
He wouldn't. Q would snicker at 'The Force'. He's from a different level of civilization.
@wesxander4329we see that the borg, dominion and other races can beam through shields. We also know starfleet csn analyise shirld freuency and beam things though them by the 24th century. 7 of 9 used that exact technology tp distroy a cube. Equally stsrwars tech would not evrn see transporter tech coming so they would not know to remodulate the shields. Its sn easy victory
@michaelmorris1741he would find it amusing to play with his food. And that is what starwars is up against. Beings capable of seeing thr biggest and baddest of starwars threats as a play thing
Useless vid. This guy talking philosophically about it. Star Trek dominates.
Trek wins this easily. But Stargate could take them both at the same time
Well now that depends, are we talking the human starships, goaauld, Asgard, Ori? Not sure the human ships would fare very well.. nor the go'auld really. Asgard, Ori, yeah they might...
@Graytail Asgard upgraded Odyssey, of course
BS again Stargate ships have limited range. They want fight in close and personal just like Star Wars. Trek doesn't have to play by those rules especially if they cut in warp power for pivoting turns and combat runs like seen in TOS. Fact is in real life why would say as US destroyer ever close with a WW II style armed destroyer to fight her? The fact is they would not. Tomahawks would destroy the WW II destroyer before she ever got into 5 inch gun range.
@wesxander4329 The ships appear just as close during battles on Trek series LOL 😂
It's common in ALL sci fi, because it looks cooler on the screen. How is this concept so difficult for some of you to grasp?
If any of this was real, the ships would be shooting at each other from tens of thousands of km apart, and you wouldn't be able to see either one
We can have that debate, but in terms of organization the Empire is well ahead of the federation, based on shear industria capabilities. They control a full galaxy and have millions of star crafts, there is no comparison. I enjoy Star Trek far more than Star Wars that for me, it's not even Science fiction (I don't dislike the originals, Rogue or the prequels)
No it's not. They nominally control a portion of the galaxy. They've never had a fleet of millions of ships in the Empire.
Star wars has much more than just ISD, there are many ships in SW that would give ST ships a beating. A type 3 civilization which star wars is , is much more powerful than a type 2 which ST is. There is more "cannon" knowledge about Star Trek because there's so many episodes, we don't actually get to see what actually is going on in SW vessel, the movies are just about showing the action. All out war, star wars complely conquers the Milky way.
No, it's not type 3. It can't harness the entire energy of its galaxy. They go about it one planet at a time, sometimes utilizing a star here and there. Aside from hyper-drive (which is impressive), Star Wars tech isn't THAT amazing.
If we are talking Cap. Kirk era then yes Starwars wins!! But if we are talking Cap. Picard then Starwars wasn’t even in the game!!! But this still would be awesome to see!!! We also have to consider ships like the defiance and Voyager. Not to mention cloaking devices.
But arent you forgetting Kirk's charm, wit.... and corbomite? ;)
The Constitution class is 100 years behind a Galaxy class cruiser. Your analogy is flawed. Phaser ranges have not increased in the series by much at all. Neither has torpedo's. What has increased is raw power yield. The other change is shield strength has increased dramatically as well as to how much energy they can absorb and not degrade. Star Wars can't fight a Constitution class at all. Their tech is quite literally 500 years or so behind. Again modern examples in Naval warfare apply. A US destroyer now a days would blow a WWII destroyer out the water long before the WWII design could bring her 5 inch guns to bear. Both have 5 inch guns for tactical reasons but that's the weapon of last choice for a modern US destroyer. Even in Kirks time phaser ranges are measured at 120,000 km to 200,000 km. So much for a Star Destroyer ever scoring a hit! Star Wars loses the moment phasers and shields enter the Trek universe!
Kirk would find a way.
@wesxander4329 I wonder how the NX01 would fare?
Star Wars ships shoot to KILL. Star Trek ships shoot to disable.
Yeah but every turbolaser has a stormtrooper at the controls, and it shows! They couldnt hit the broad side of an assimilation cube
Interesting video. Nothing true in it.
Star Trek is a type 2 civilization, Star Wars is a type 3 civilization.
You can educate yourself by reading what the difference is.
Type II civilization (stellar) - that's why fideration is explorers. Not yet reach type 3.
Type III civilization (galactic)
There is no Federation ship that can survive a battle with an Executor class star destroyer.
1. Raised deflector shields cannot be penetrated, bypassed or disabled from the outside. You can't teleport anything from the outside. Shields are energy insulators. For the stupid Star Trek idiots who think you can teleport a bomb from the outside, they are very deluded fanboys.
2. Destroyers have tractor beams that do NOT allow the ships to MOVE at all.
3. The first Executor class ships had only one weak point and it was on the roof of the ship. After the loss of Darth Vader's executioner, this point was completely removed.
The two blast towers are not on the outside in the next editions of this class of ships. In the Eclipse class, they are completely absent.
The ship has Ray shields only on the inside, outside the ship is protected by an energy shield that is impenetrable by anything.
Finally, the guy who talks about physics, tell me how an energy shield can be penetrated?
I'll tell you. IT CANNOT!
I expect you to make a video of Spock defeating Darth Vader :)
I wouldn't be surprised.
Okay in a full scale no holds barred fight the empire wins hands down and heres why.If the empire is aware of starfleet combat doctrine and starfleets rules of engagement the fight will be over before it starts.The empire can field many more ships and has no concerns over bombing words so heres how it plays out.
The empire first recons starfleet territory an collects information via its many means of intelligence gathering.Once they have a complete picture an know where to strike the deathstar in its opeing move destroys starfleet Hq/earth while swarms of star destroyers hit key targets.They leave out the klingons because the emperor sees them as potential.Starfleet rallies but they only have a tactical ship advantage where as the empire can hit strategic targets faster and harder.Starfleet can win any ship battle if not grossly outnumbered but ultimately fall.
They can't even target Star Trek ships; they can fight while at Warp, Star Wars can't. It would be pathetic. I love Star Wars, maybe because their tech isn't so 'magic'.
Star Trek - That's not a moon!
Capt. - Options.
Me - We can modify a shuttle craft and remove deflector and any other safeties that prevent us from flying into objects at warp. Also have the computer running the impulse engines at full speed to ensure even if the shuttle is forced out of warp, it will maintain some speed close to light speed. That would allow us to hit that "moon thing" with whatever the mass of a shuttle is, at relativistic speeds. Since E=MC2 and the C squared part is a lot. It will be enough to destroy any moon or planet for that matter.
Capt. - Wait a minute. Would it be worth it to destroy the entire plot of any and every danger we will ever face in the future?
Me - We could pretend it never happened after this episode.
Capt.- Excellent. Make it so, and be sure to have Mr. Date remove all evidence of this from the computers and have Dr Crusher remove our memories.