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  • @iamabean
    @iamabean 9 лет назад +77

    One of the great thing about your videos is that it give the learners the intuitions behind the formulars. Intuitions are some thing that very abstract and very important but very difficult to grasp. Many textbooks elaborate so much on technical jargons, which makes it harder for readers to deal with new concepts. In constrast your videos try to explain the new concepts using very basic mathematics. It's great, thank you!!

    • @muhammadashshiddieqi8653
      @muhammadashshiddieqi8653 2 года назад +1

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    • @tanzimmehran8317
      @tanzimmehran8317 Год назад

      Thanks Mr Krabs

  • @shenqilu4470
    @shenqilu4470 8 лет назад +3

    you're my rescuer. And the part which surprise me is: you show the question may be expressed in different way. it's really cool.

  • @muddassirghoorun4322
    @muddassirghoorun4322 5 лет назад +6

    For all those asking about forgetting b, please continue the video as it will be added and then u can continue as usual

  • @MsEwander
    @MsEwander 15 лет назад +25

    He made a mistake with C3, it should be 1/11(3c-5a+b), he forgot about b - that's why the whole answer is not correct. But very interesting interpretation - I like it :)

  • @jkl1222
    @jkl1222 11 лет назад +3

    I would agree with you, but I think he wants to teach it in a way where the viewer only needs to know the fewest number of topics necessary to understand the concepts behind Spans and Linear Independence. Thus making it easier for the viewer to have a better degree of understanding.

  • @robertwilsoniii2048
    @robertwilsoniii2048 8 лет назад +10

    I'd like this video thousands of times if it were possible. This video is amazing; some of the best instruction you can get in linear algebra, period. RUclips or college lecture hall.

  • @Terszel
    @Terszel 10 лет назад +109

    You forgot b!!

    • @peer1337
      @peer1337 8 лет назад +3

      +Potpourri ruclips.net/video/9kW6zFK5E5c/видео.htmlm45s

    • @TexanMonkey
      @TexanMonkey 7 лет назад +2

      I worked it out my self and forgot to wait. The I realized (after reworking it twice) that he screwed up XD

    • @ChristopherRangon
      @ChristopherRangon 6 лет назад +3

      Hahaha it might be a New York thing but I automatically read You forgot, b

    • @benkao8253
      @benkao8253 4 года назад

      I came here from khan academy just to say this, and realized that it was already put to justice.

    • @ThobelaGoge
      @ThobelaGoge 11 месяцев назад

      It was corrected around the end

  • @LAnonHubbard
    @LAnonHubbard 14 лет назад +1

    Very watchable. It's amazing how much ground you're covering as I've tried to learn this from text books before and didn't get as far. Mind you, trying to learn it from other sources will have helped me too I think.

  • @stokastia
    @stokastia 12 лет назад +10

    Thank you, I am now ready for my test on Wednesday.

  • @andreispyes007
    @andreispyes007 13 лет назад

    Yesterday , i had no ideea on linear algebra, but watching this videos has enlightened me .
    Thank you Sal.

  • @imansaid2321
    @imansaid2321 2 года назад +5

    What happened to the b in 1/11( 3c - 5a)? isn’t it supposed to be 1/11(3c-5a+b)?

  • @saedramadan1629
    @saedramadan1629 10 лет назад +48

    Isn't it easier to solve the equations with matrices ?

    • @Peter_1986
      @Peter_1986 9 лет назад +1

      +saed ramadan
      A lot of the time it is, yes.
      However, this approach can cause problems if you are dealing with nonlinear equations.

    • @siamsttr
      @siamsttr 7 лет назад +41

      but I was here for "linear" algebra

    • @stewartburne-jones1507
      @stewartburne-jones1507 5 лет назад +2

      @@siamsttr This is a video of many videos in the Linear Algebra Playlist, this video is before solving matrices solutions. Sal has a whole section of this on his website. His explaining the intuition. Hope this helps :)

    • @thetheoreticalnerd7662
      @thetheoreticalnerd7662 4 года назад

      Using Gauss-Jordan Elimination would work fine, I did it that way. I think it is done this way because it gives you better intuition on what he is actually doing (or what transformations are going on).

  • @amaanqureshi1286
    @amaanqureshi1286 Год назад

    EXcelent, once i get a six figure job watching your video and passing my courses ill donate to khan academy. Best free resource, wikipedia and khan academcy

  • @shantanukumar4081
    @shantanukumar4081 4 года назад +1

    Helpful video

  • @sierramarshall2069
    @sierramarshall2069 7 лет назад +4

    Great video!

  • @mosesmbatyazwa6295
    @mosesmbatyazwa6295 8 лет назад +2

    NUMBER ONE THANKS PROF YOU ARE THE BEST.

  • @vincentwilson3006
    @vincentwilson3006 10 лет назад +7

    You should have solved through Gaussian elimination. By setting up the matrix you can solve for an identity matrix (all 1's diagonally), therefore proving that there is no free variables, meaning all variables have a value independent of each other. In effect they all have their own value and they cannot have a linear combination of any other v_i.

    • @DannyStopMotions
      @DannyStopMotions 9 лет назад +1

      Vincent Wilson Exactly what i did. Took 10 seconds lol

  • @dauntSilver
    @dauntSilver 13 лет назад

    Just what I was looking for.. only I use matrices instead of adding/subtracting the equations as shown.

  • @AmeerHamza-cy6km
    @AmeerHamza-cy6km 4 года назад

    So simple words we are finding values of constants

  • @ashishverma6100
    @ashishverma6100 Год назад

    amazing explanation

  • @danwat1234
    @danwat1234 12 лет назад +1

    The determinant is 11. So since the determinant is not zero, the set of vectors is Linearly DEPENDENT, though I can't figure out the algebra of which are linear combinations of the other.

  • @ksb916
    @ksb916 14 лет назад

    This video makes it so clear, thx

  • @Junior4466
    @Junior4466 4 года назад

    Solving with a=b=c=0, if you have free variables, it would be dependant. If each constant equal 0, its independent.

  • @mohamedsabry7155
    @mohamedsabry7155 8 лет назад +15

    so why didn't sal deal with the augmented matrix instead of dealing instantly with the equations!?

    • @parasgathani4784
      @parasgathani4784 5 лет назад +5

      because in the end it gives us the same result, and as you can see he applied the same method we would apply with augmented matrices

  • @abigailrc3411
    @abigailrc3411 6 лет назад

    love your voice and attitude thanks

  • @tautologicalnickname
    @tautologicalnickname 13 лет назад +1

    great great video!! very helpful!

  • @vignesharasu4521
    @vignesharasu4521 7 лет назад +1

    i love your videos. great stuff. this one was a little confusing with all the steps, but great work anyway.

  • @wietzehoogeveen1325
    @wietzehoogeveen1325 6 лет назад +1

    Thank you so much!!!!!!!

  • @VinothKumar-qo7ry
    @VinothKumar-qo7ry 5 лет назад

    Thank you sir 💓

  • @sonia19977
    @sonia19977 7 лет назад

    thank you so much , it helpled me alot.

  • @LimaAlfa020
    @LimaAlfa020 11 лет назад

    Can you please do an example explaining the pruning of a subset!

  • @dca24100
    @dca24100 12 лет назад +1

    a little confusing at first, but cleared up near the end. thanks!!

  • @Savl0r0
    @Savl0r0 12 лет назад

    Thank you soo much , it really helps

  • @kamikazeee9
    @kamikazeee9 7 лет назад +5

    wouldn't gaussian elimination with just a matrix work without having to write out the equations each time? Is that possible?

    • @ryanjackson0x
      @ryanjackson0x 3 года назад +1

      Yes. It is a different way of thinking about the same thing

  • @ryanjackson0x
    @ryanjackson0x 3 года назад

    I knew it! Span is a generic term. It's not only related to A in Ax=b.

  • @HandOfCode
    @HandOfCode 14 лет назад +1

    Correct, he missed one calculation.
    He still got the answer right that they're linearly independent. (using row-reduction you get the identity matrix)

  • @patrickmoloney672
    @patrickmoloney672 8 лет назад

    I always find solving these with the properties of determinants is always easier for an nxn matrix.

    • @8kigana
      @8kigana 8 лет назад

      you are so right about that.

  • @DissentingCalm
    @DissentingCalm 9 лет назад +1

    Thanks Salman Khan!

  • @alb260395
    @alb260395 11 лет назад +2

    Wouldn't it be easier if you put all the coordinates in a determinant to calculate their mixed production? We would get the result 9 for the determinant which is different from 0 and it means they are linearly independent

    • @akhtarbiqadri1
      @akhtarbiqadri1 3 года назад

      i think the determinant is equal to 11...

  • @infinitygaming4831
    @infinitygaming4831 6 лет назад +1

    Since the first two vectors can represent each and every vectors in 3D ,the third vector must also be represented and they must have been linearly dependent but why does turns out to be linearly independent?

  • @christinaanne1658
    @christinaanne1658 5 лет назад

    Can you explain relationship between independance and consistent

  • @fireproofazn
    @fireproofazn 13 лет назад +1

    thank you for saving me from killing myself. please never stop making these tutorials.

  • @kapification
    @kapification 14 лет назад

    Holy shit!
    wonderful video
    Thank you so much!!!

  • @slaozeren8742
    @slaozeren8742 6 лет назад

    you are just great

  • @formlessval
    @formlessval 6 лет назад

    At 5:10, why do we take the last equation (in pink) and multiplies it by -2? where the "times 2 the first equation" or "-2 times C1" comes from ?
    What is the reasoning that gets you to this conclusion?
    I try to look again and again but it seems I can't find the hint for what keeps me from understanding why and when I keep going on with the video, there is another elimination to be done (7:10) by
    multiply the bottom equation by 3 and add it to the middle equation to eliminate the -C2.

  • @barakelhowells
    @barakelhowells 12 лет назад

    Everyone uses matrices. This is like the maths behind the operations. It's perfect this way... trust me.

  • @Cracklin319
    @Cracklin319 13 лет назад

    Great video, It helps me a lot!

  • @Zuwwar
    @Zuwwar 7 лет назад +2

    At 16:22, Salman said, that the span of 2 vectors of R3 could never span R3. Why is that?

    • @killcide9238
      @killcide9238 6 лет назад +2

      In the "best" case, the span of two vectors would be a plane, which would only be a slice of R3.

  • @BenDonalson7
    @BenDonalson7 11 лет назад

    USE XYZ IN REPLACE OF ABC WHILE COPYING NOTES

  • @MaroLuva
    @MaroLuva 11 лет назад

    or you could just row reduce to find that there is a pivot point in each of the rows. Thus by the invertible matrix theorem you know that the columns of the matrix are linearly independent

  • @golardachhetri6152
    @golardachhetri6152 3 года назад

    So if combination of scalars times vectors being 0 makes it linerally independent. Does that mean the combination of all those vectors are only possible at its origin. Doesn't that make the span of combination of all independent vectors only the origin

  • @itzmattu
    @itzmattu 15 лет назад

    Thanks for these videos! It's a huge help in trying to prepare for my exam this morning. What program do you use to do the math in these examples?

  • @rocco133
    @rocco133 13 лет назад

    @PhilChern
    i think you mean smoothdraw3.

  • @jiandavid5529
    @jiandavid5529 7 лет назад +5

    Where did the b go huhu 😭

  • @MoreKevinLiang
    @MoreKevinLiang 14 лет назад

    You confused me at the end when you said that system is linearly INdependent.
    It WOULD be if the vectors equal the 0 vector, but you only used the 0 vector as an example.
    What if they equal something nonzero? Would it then be linearly dependent?
    Meaning, I set a b and c to be 2 6 and 13, respctively. You would find c1 c2 and c3 to be something other than zero, right? That would be dependent?

  • @Masih89
    @Masih89 12 лет назад

    10:44

  • @AyushSingh-uf9hz
    @AyushSingh-uf9hz 3 года назад

    Hey, u cant say that (1,-1,2) and (1,1,3) cant span R3 since R3 means a set of vectors with three entries in them and not 3 vectors. if the set contains more vectors than entries in each vector then we can say its dependent set

  • @psyk2642
    @psyk2642 9 лет назад +2

    Isn't it better to use a.(bxc) to check whether they lie in the same plane?

    • @xoppa09
      @xoppa09 7 лет назад

      interesting, but that only works in R^3. we want a more general method to show whether vectors are linearly independent.

  • @PhilChern
    @PhilChern 13 лет назад +1

    what's the program that he uses for the video? im kind of sick of using paint for this kind of stuff

  • @Matt-hv4xd
    @Matt-hv4xd Год назад

    couldnt you use guassian elimination? or would that not work?

  • @singhvss
    @singhvss 10 лет назад +1

    Are these lectures numbered so I know which one is the first, second, etc

    • @n4rzul
      @n4rzul 9 лет назад

      They are Khan academy videos. Go here and sign up: www.khanacademy.org They have thousands of quality videos on different topics with exercises and everything.

    • @darthhole6818
      @darthhole6818 6 лет назад

      They only have 4 exercises so far for me...

  • @zoranhacker
    @zoranhacker 5 лет назад +1

    Isn't a set of 3 "3d" vectors going to be linearly independent if and only if it spans R^3?

  • @2dogs1tale81
    @2dogs1tale81 Год назад

    Where’d the “b” go in the c3 equation?

  • @movie9397
    @movie9397 7 лет назад +1

    how do you reverse this process. I have to find the span of a matrix

  • @lindalove2167
    @lindalove2167 9 лет назад +16

    where did the +b go for c3

    • @jonnygainz
      @jonnygainz 9 лет назад

      +Linda Love i was thinking the same thing

    • @peer1337
      @peer1337 8 лет назад +1

      +Linda Love ruclips.net/video/9kW6zFK5E5c/видео.htmlm45s

  • @Bundles91
    @Bundles91 12 лет назад

    Haven't seen that many C's since last months Bukaki.

  • @k1k0000
    @k1k0000 3 месяца назад

    this is so ism - cornell coded

  • @GeekBoy03
    @GeekBoy03 13 лет назад

    @PhilChern it's not a "program". He is using a "pen tablet"

  • @LoadofSlap
    @LoadofSlap 14 лет назад

    @dtomasiewicz Thank you, this makes more sense to me now.

  • @nowjustthinkaboutit
    @nowjustthinkaboutit 12 лет назад

    wow. thanks so much! Hugs and kisses

  • @TheJoshuatuqvq
    @TheJoshuatuqvq 10 лет назад

    You keep saying that "if one constant is non-zero then they are linearly dependent", but shouldn't it be if more than one is non-zero? Because I can't see how one non-zero constant times one non-zero vector can equal a zero vector.

    • @yhdhd
      @yhdhd 10 лет назад

      Well obviously 1nzc x 1nzv = zv

  • @Thewerwolf
    @Thewerwolf 3 года назад

    You left out b in equation to solve C3

  • @chrispycrunchy101
    @chrispycrunchy101 9 лет назад

    I still cant seem to understand from your past two videos on linear independence and dependence what they mean. Seeing how your solutions in both videos came out to them being linearly dependent. FML

    • @siddharthadas86
      @siddharthadas86 8 лет назад

      11 months late but a simple way to think about it is that if two vectors are parallel to each other, they are linearly dependent and if two vectors are not parallel, they are not linearly dependent. If you draw it out, it will be clear

  • @beateceline
    @beateceline 5 лет назад

    15:15 - But you have said that you can always put 0 as the solution for all, independent as well as dependent, right? So if I put the combination equal to the zero vector, how can that prove that it is lineraly independent? Couldn't it as well be dependent? How do I know that the zero vector is the only solution to this equation??

  • @pupface
    @pupface 2 месяца назад

    What's going on? Why add a and b together? Why multiply a by -2? None of this is explained

  • @ToXaNe1
    @ToXaNe1 6 лет назад

    theres an error! C1 should equal -3a+2c-7C3 (done by gaussian) it check out when using a vector example (1,2,3)

    • @ToXaNe1
      @ToXaNe1 6 лет назад

      as C1=a-2c2+c3 does not equal -3a+2c-7c3 i think his doesnt work

  • @roachey15
    @roachey15 13 лет назад +9

    Anyone else notice the fart at 3:53? lol..probably need headphones to hear it. Great video though.

  • @ja2smart92
    @ja2smart92 13 лет назад +1

    I always like to imagine that its Obama teaching me this b/c he kinda sounds like him, especially when he says 'independent'

    • @edgbaston149
      @edgbaston149 3 года назад

      I was thinking the same. lol

  • @ste8ven
    @ste8ven 13 лет назад

    you missed adding a b to C3

  • @PeterCornstalk
    @PeterCornstalk 14 лет назад

    This made me sleepy and hungry.

  • @r5t6ymax
    @r5t6ymax 12 лет назад

    I dont understand how you would get a non linearly independent set pf vectors....like obviously if you multiply everything by 0 its gonna give the 0 vector, thats obvious from the the start....

  • @looploop6612
    @looploop6612 7 лет назад +2

    what is R^3 ?

    • @xoppa09
      @xoppa09 7 лет назад

      set of all 3 tuples or points in space.

    • @saif0316
      @saif0316 6 лет назад

      xoppa09 so are we trying to confirm they exist or something?

  • @phillem1120
    @phillem1120 8 лет назад

    anyone can help me whether 3x2 matrice is basis vector or not?

  • @LoadofSlap
    @LoadofSlap 14 лет назад

    "Linearly independent if the only solution is 0"
    How do you know the only solution is 0? You've only shown that one of the solutions is 0 surely?

    • @ryanjackson0x
      @ryanjackson0x 3 года назад

      If Ax=0 has more than one solution x, then the column vectors in A are linearly dependent.

  • @saif0316
    @saif0316 6 лет назад

    what is R3?

  • @abdallababikir9154
    @abdallababikir9154 3 года назад

    Why did you use elimination... substitution is much better

  • @mebla07
    @mebla07 11 лет назад

    Maybe an off-topic question. Why is it called span?

  • @harryuzezi3995
    @harryuzezi3995 7 лет назад

    using cross product would have been better

  • @kamrannasir3871
    @kamrannasir3871 12 лет назад +1

    yeah, later on I saw that..thanks anyway...

  • @gurpchirp
    @gurpchirp 2 года назад

    and right around here is when i start getting lost...

  • @HabbaDj
    @HabbaDj 13 лет назад

    You should really have used Matrices in this video... Damn that was a lot of C's :P

  • @cath342
    @cath342 4 года назад

    is this dude canadian

  • @niiidar
    @niiidar 13 лет назад

    Why is he reducing the matrix in this way? Seems tedious...

  • @justinlo5516
    @justinlo5516 8 лет назад

    mvp

  • @simairamou3604
    @simairamou3604 7 лет назад

    this video wasnt helpful at all...try to explain why the operations performed are used such as how you solved for a,b and c..just feedback need further explanation as to why you use certain formulas thank you

  • @farhan8036
    @farhan8036 4 года назад

    binod

  • @denillaz
    @denillaz 6 лет назад

    im in love with you

  • @sarchstar
    @sarchstar 6 лет назад

  • @tonysaunders6261
    @tonysaunders6261 5 лет назад

    your example is not really helpful since you used the a b c example like you did in other videos. !

  • @hilmywidyarto9103
    @hilmywidyarto9103 6 лет назад

    thank you very much!