Do on to others as you would like to be done on to you. Don't retaliate. Simply speak up against what is wrong. Aside from that philosophical stuff, that is a pretty good violin joke.
I learned to play the violin as a child and practice sometimes even now. The viola jokes on twoset made me curious, and I was further inspired by Viola King. So I rented a viola from my local luthier. It is a wonderful warm sounding instrument, and such a different skill to play it. Maybe I will learn to play it as my other instrument.
@@ViolaKing lol I actually cared more about the viola precisely because of Twoset's jokes. So I guess that's a silver lining for me? I do love the warmer tones.
What saddens me is when somebody asks me what instrument I play and I respond by saying that I play the viola, their response is similar to '' oohh, y-yeah, the viola... ''. It almost makes me feel ashamed, and I often lie by I saying that I play the violin instead.
i play the violin and sometimes say i play viola just to mess with people.... and to hear jokes... (most people actually either don’t know the difference or just ask to be polite, I guess, so they do not notice.)
dude where do u live bc that seems so fucking toxic, ik atleast where I live people don't care or don't know the difference, maybe violinists will like say smth in a lighthearted way but that's all
When people ask about what's in my instrument case and I say viola, they're like, the what now? Is it a bigger violin? Then I go on a minute rant about the differences and the Viola's role in the orchestra
I totally agree that TSV should have some more instrument representation. As a classical saxophonist, I often feel left out. Not at all trying to say their content is bad - they're one of my favorite channels - I just think everyone could really benefit if they had more representation! I know they're violinists, but they are at their root a channel for classical music and seeing more representation of instrumentalists within that genre would be great. I would love to see them bring a professional violist, woodwind player, brass player, or even percussionist into a video.
I'm an adult who plays viola just for myself these days and I really appreciate your channel. In school I'd seen peers quit the instrument because of the toxic behavior towards violists. That kind of behavior doesn't fly in adult spaces though and I'm not sure the community understands. I had to stop watching 2set at some point because of how badly they made me feel. I love my instrument but I don't want to endure maltreatment for it and I don't think that's too much to ask.
I thought they might have seen your video when I heard their comments on the viola on their try not to laugh on tiktok-video! Keep it up, dear violists :-)!!!
Thank you for this!!! I’m a violist and this honestly makes me much happier because I started to feel as if the jokes they were saying were actually being taken seriously by some of their younger audience. I also have to say one thing: the viola jokes get a bit irritating. I had to stop watching a twoset video because I had just heard so many viola jokes it became more of an annoying burden to hear rather than a funny tease. I still love Brett and eddy though, nonetheless; I just feel it’s more the community’s fault too. The viola is a beautiful instrument, as beautiful as the violin, cello, double bass, etc! I’m so happy to have picked up the viola as my first instrument back in middle school; I don’t regret a thing. :)
When I was a percussionist in an orchestra, I always set up my instrumental array behind the cellists, violas, and bass. They were the sections I was able to hear the best during performances. I built a rapport with them, but never really got close to the woodwinds, brass, or violins. Honestly, I think the very nature of the large stringed instruments is what makes me relate with them so much. I've always been the underdog, so I root for the underdogs. We're the outliers, the sidelines, the lesser respected instruments. But without us, the music would be too high pitched, and lacking a backbone. We give the music stability, structure, and we anchor the beat and rhythm. After every performance, I turned to my group and congratulated them with, "Good shit, fuckers." We were our own congratulatory commitee, while everyone else heaped praise upon the violins, pianist, and woodwinds. I miss those days.
I’ve never even touched a violin, when we were shown different instruments we could play in 5th grade for 6th grade, I was stuck between flute and viola. In the end viola won, because I have horrible asthma so my flute plans went out the window. When I went to get fitted for a rental instrument at my middle school, they said my arms were the perfect length for a viola and I was ecstatic. My friend also wanted to play viola however her arm was to short so she had to play violin, so she quit after 1 month and moved onto theater instead. I’ve always been a violist, can’t play a violin to save my life, so no not all violas start out as violins, because I sure as hell didn’t. I love my viola, and I love playing harmony, because we add the balance to the orchestra and without us the orchestra is disorganized. I love Brett and eddy, but the teasing hurts, sometimes it’s funny but too much can be verbally abusive on a minor scale. Anyways I can take the jokes but just know most of us are chill peacekeepers who won’t say anything for fear of causing mayhem. But like a honey badger you poke to hard and the peace turns viscous. Anyways enough ranting, it was a great video thank you for speaking up when people like me have to much anxiety or introverted ness to say anything. Viola gang for life!
I love playing violin on the lower strings because I think it sounds better than the high-squeaky stuff on the e-string... but I get so many condescending comments about it being a viola (even though it’s a violin...). With those kinds of comments on a violin video, I’d imagine a lot more upsetting comments on actual viola videos... 🙁 I once got to play one of those huge 17-inch violas at a store, and I loved how it sounded - but it was over $8000 (my violin was 2k...)! 😮 Viola sounds beautiful, is a more expensive instrument, you have to read a lot more clefs, and it’s bigger/heavier which makes it harder to play than the violin! I never really understood all the jokes...😕
Found your video when I was searching about viola because my son just started viola. He is 7 and has piano as his first instrument for two years and just started viola. He has never played a violin (thought my daughter plays violin). We all love viola, the warm sound and the preciousness at school (elementary school level LOL). My son is very sensitive. I believe if he heard all the "jokes" about viola he will cry and question himself. As an adult I can certainly distinguish "joke" and "mockery". But for a child or teen, they may take whatever they hear seriously. Thank you for your video and I love all the thoughtful comments.
I'm happy to hear that you're sending them these videos so that they're pretty much guaranteed to get seen, not for the fact of trying to get your point across in a demanding way or anything I just really want them to make a viola Ling Ling workout video!
the next step in this should be all of the great violinists who are also great violists to make a zoom video saying how much they love the viola. E.g. get Zukerman, Vengerov, Rachlin , Mintz, Ehnes and Kennedy. Theyve all performed the viola at the highest levels. They are all virtuosos and can vouch for the viola!!!! This should be the next step!!
To be fair to two set, viola jokes have been around a lot longer than they have and they do have violists in some of their videos. If they stop viola jokes completely, viola jokes will still be around. I knew viola jokes long before i ever heard of two set. Ive seen that one of the violists that has been in several of the videos also models some of their merchandise on their website. He must at least be a friend. Remember that they are musicians but they are also comedians. I’m a vocalist. Jokes are told for each section of the chorus. It’s just not intended to be personal and anything other than a joke. I really don’t think that viola jokes have been a major factor in kids wanting to learn the violin over the viola. It’s the same for the trumpet over the trombone and gd forbid the tuba.
I was hoping somebody would have mentioned this, thank you. Viola jokes are way older than TwoSetViolin, it's just part of the culture. A VIOLIST introduced me to viola jokes back in the day, and there are also stereotypes and jokes for each instrument, even though it's true viola jokes are my favourites. I think Brett and Eddy make it very clear that these are jokes, the problem is that bullies will be bullies. Just do what you love and f*** the haters.
Here's the problem though: viola jokes existed amongst musicians. We all know that they are just jokes. They are not overused and they don't take away the respect for violists. Twoset introduced the jokes to many people that are not musicians, a huge part of their fan base are just young people that are only now being introduced to the world of classical music. They tend to take the jokes too far and they take it too seriously. They don't recognize teasing and turn it into bullying. I commented about it a while ago under their vids but while some people agree, most don't care. It has almost become a sport to comment the most insulting things under videos with violas in them, and when it's done cruelly and by people that don't even play any instrument themselves, it creates a negative environment for violists. I love twoset, i love playing violin but I'm ashamed each time i see people referencing twoset and then bullying violists under any yt video with classic instruments in it
@@Ysmir. Please remember that twoset does not control their fans. They do not control who watches their videos and what they take from them. But yes, it is a problem.
@@rachelwalmart oh, i know that. I just wish they addressed the problem and ease down on the jokes considering the effects they bring. They created a community and that does bring a sort of responsibility.
@@Ysmir. Yes, that is what I believe is their biggest fault: The neglect toward the problems their fans are creating. We need them to make a PSA, exposing the jokes for what they really are: j o k e s. In reality, twoset’s viola jokes were always intended to be harmless jokes, but the fans misinterpreted them. Twoset does not bully violists, their fans do due to miscommunication. This is where twoset was careless. They had innocent intentions, but their failure to stress that their jokes *were* indeed jokes caused problems to other musicians, and their failure to address these problems only worsened them.
Brett and Eddy if you ever read this comment please do a collaborative video with either Viola King or other violists about viola performances you must watch or ling ling workout like how you did with other musicians.
Hi! I saw your video from last week and even though I am piano gang, I totally understand, viola deserves respect as much as any instrument. I am a huge fan of twoset and I really appreciated how respectful and not angry at all you were explaining all of this. Definitely subscribing X)
Watching this, I can totally relate to the Violist in the music industry because I felt the same way about the programming languages in the IT industry. I am a web developer / software engineer / front-end engineer so I work on HTML and JavaScript a lot, and HTML + JS are being made fun of in the IT community again and again with the same old joke; it just got stale over time. Some of the jokes don't even make any sense and people just agreeing and jumping on the hate bandwagon. It's rare to find a good front-end engineer nowadays because many are more interested in backend engineering. I am not a musician (I play some instruments for casual purpose only) but as I watched your videos, I don't know why it felt close to home despite not knowing much about viola. and then realised it is because of the paragraph above. I love twosetviolin and am a big fan of them, but whenever they made viola jokes im just indifferent because I dont understand what's there to joke about. Viola is important just like an alto in a choir (I was a soprano in my secondary school choir) and I love it when the altos harmonised with our melody. So violas are important in a symphony too and they deserve more attention and love.
i remember when i was just starting to watch them a few years back, i actually googled why people are making fun of the viola/viola jokes coz i didn’t get the joke coz i wasn’t a musician. i researched about great viola performances and i didn’t see anything wrong with it. so now i just appreciate the viola and the laugh ay the jokes as well. i’ve learned so much about classical music from twoset and i feel like i also belong to the classical music community because of them.
Viola sound is so sweet. I wish I can afford it. But I am just a small time worker. But I will never give up. I will save for that sweet instrument and will definitely learn it. By the way noob pianist/keyboardist here.
I thought they might have heard you when I saw their video yesterday. Let’s see what the future will bring, and I am hoping for cool viola content on both of your channels soon.
ah i saw their tiktok video yesterday and was super pleasantly surprised at how nice they were to violas! made me wonder if they had seen your video haha :D
I'm a non musician who enjoys two set, but I've often wondered about that whole viola joke thing, one off note in an otherwise positive channel. I'm glad you brought this up. I think you will be able to get this straightened out. I'll be following this. Thank you!
Thank you for this video. I heartily agree with you and I agree that perpetuating existing bad stereotypes by goofing around isn't a great thing to do. I think the lack of violas in youth ensembles is influenced by a lot of factors: violins are just that much more exposed, there are many more violin teachers out there and it's easier to find one, there are lots more Suzuki violin programs, there is more availability of good fractional violins than violas, or else restring a violin as a viola, which is a workable solution. Both my brother and I started on violin and began playing viola at age 12 because of ensemble needs and both of us used restrung violins because of our size. I transitioned to a proper viola 2.5 years later, and my brother became big enough for a real viola about 6 months after starting viola, but has not acquired a real viola yet due to COVID. There certainly are lovely fractional violas, but finding a decent one can be tricky (depending on where you are) and we were lucky that our restrung violins were decent instruments. There are also other instruments which are seen as less accessible and popular, such as the oboe, bassoon, French horn and double bass. Those instruments do have some practical challenges associated with it, such as cost, or size (in the case of the contrabass) or double reeds just being finicky, but they are great instruments and they deserve to be more widely recognized. I was exposed to the viola in some capacity before age 12. I used to think it was the same size as a violin, I just knew it had a different tuning and I thought it sounded pretty but didn't think much about it until age 12 so yeah.. I had considered giving up violin for viola, but decided it wasn't the right thing for me because I still do love the violin and have a lot of compelling reasons to be a violinist, but at the same time I have many compelling reasons to play viola, and piano as well. If something significant happens and I really decide to switch to viola full time in the future, I will decide about that when I feel it's right, but until then, I shall play both.
One thing is that TwoSetViolin is not entirely to blame. They make their jokes, but they fully respect the viola and those who dedicate their time to it. The viola is a beautiful instrument that deserves its own fair share of respect. It’s the community taking the jokes too far that would be the problem. They have made videos featuring violists, who fully accepted the *jokes* what with that being what they are and even making some of their own. The joke has a lot to do with violinists as well, as that person said. The joke is about a stereotype that the viola is bad, and violists are egotistical. It does not correlate very consistently with reality, as it is just that, a stereotype.
I remember twoset makes fun of violas as a joke, but I understand if it hurts yall’s feelings sometimes. I’m a violinist and I think violas can sound so pretty ☺️
Without viola, or horn, or saxophone, or 3rd clarinet, all of us in the "middle" of the ensemble, the ensemble lacks depth. After all, a sandwich is named for what's in the middle, not for the bread on the outside. Instrument stereotypes have been around since dirt. As a musician of a certain age, I remember my teacher, a member of a major US orchestra, make disparaging remarks about violists. I was taken aback at the time, but one doesn't correct one's teacher. I've never forgotten it.
As a child my dream instrument was the harp, then the viola. I liked the viola because it had a warmer sound than the violin. Then few years later I fell in love with the violin, because I'm a ballet dancer and most ballet music is lead by the violin. I still have huge appreciation for the viola though and when I learnt about the existence of viola jokes last year (when I saw TwoSet for the first time) I was shocked, because I never imagined. I've personally being standing for aspects of the world of classical music TwoSet doesn't always appreciate or value, and I think sometimes they're just not inclusive to the entire world and value the most the pieces they're more familiar with. So I started commenting repetitively under their videos to represent those communities, starting with the ballet world (I tried to clear things up whenever they included ballet in their videos without actually treating it correctly). I also stood for Opera and for violas, and I started posting appreciation posts on Reddit about violas. Sadly I am not a fan of jazz, pop and other communities that are underrepresented in TwoSet Violin, so I don't have the ability to do the same for everybody, but I hope every aspect of the Classical world/musical world can be well represented and respected❤️
As a violinist, you have all my support ! Viola is great ! And my favorite "instrument" is the string quartet and the viola is absolutely necessary in it. Live long viola gang !
I have a student who is a violist and while, as a violinist, I love TwoSet, there is now way I would refer my student to them because, well, he doesn't need all the self-esteem bombing. Hope this effort helps TwoSet to move away from viola jokes (or, um, broaden their range of targets).
I have sent 2 messages recently (after watching your post) to twoset asking to stop the viola jokes... My daughter plays the violin BUT...if she played the viola and ever got teased I would be so upset... Maybe when Eddie n Brett have their own kids they might realise what type of negative impact their viola jokes can have on young minds... P.s I do love twoset still...😅😆
YES! As someone starting to learn the viola I am very happy to have found your channel. I love twoset as well and am a subscriber, but considering the amount of impact they have on so many people, being musicians or not, I would be nice to see they actually respect the viola. When I told someone that I was starting to learn the viola, she made a comment that it's for the "less talented" people and that I should try the violin. It's quite upsetting to see that these "jokes" have gone too far and can really have a negative impact on the self esteem of many, especilaly young, violists.
not a violist but viola is my fav in the string family! It hurts me seeing ppl who doesn’t even know the instrument making viola jokes because they take it for REAL!
my older brothers were violinists but transitioned to viola in high school. I'm in high school myself, but I'm a violinist and pianist. I had to learn viola for string groups and sometimes orchestra. I am in love with the deep, rich, majestic sound that the can viola create. (though a lot of instruments can.) I have always known twoset's viola jokes were... well.. jokes. I'd never bully someone for their instrument, I appreciate everyone as long as they are respectful. though there isn't as much repertoire for violists out there, the stuff that does exist is wonderful. more love to violas! we love you and appreciate you, and us violinists really wouldn't be here without you. 💗 - a teenage twosetter
Thank you for your videos Viola King. I totally agree that some may legitimately feel that the Viola is an inferior instrument because of all of the jokes on TwoSet. I just saw one yesterday where Eddy bought Brett a Viola for his birthday. Then they pretty much roasted and be littled the instrument. I imagine that it was supposed to be humor, but ha ha. 😒 I had so many more opportunities playing the viola vs being in a sea of violins. The musical experiences are ones I will always cherish. I would love to see TwoSet talk more about viola, especially how not everyone plays the same sized instrument like they do with the violin. There isn't just full-sized viola and done. It is based on the size of the player. I've never seen that addressed and it might be really interesting to people. Plus the rich sound of the viola is beautiful. Thank you for your videos. 💛🌼💛
I actually think about picking up the viola because of twoset. I realized that the viola is a nice instrument and that I prefer it over the violin back in primary school when we learned about orchestral instruments. But I never got the idea to just pick it up and learn to play it, because there still was this stigma that violin and co are for rich people and you have to give an arm and a leg to be able to play it as a common mortal. This was around 18 years ago. Twoset made me realize that everyone can play any instrument they want as long as they put in the effort. Also I learned that affordable instruments exist! Now my 3 biggest issues left are: 1) I now myself and I have a hard time establishing new habits. Chances are that I'm going to practice the sh*t out of it for some days to a few weeks and then never touch it again. 2) I work 3 shifts and I don't know when I should practice because either I'm asleep or everyone else is. Also I'm super paranoid about being heard and I almost can hear some stupid comments from my grandparents already... 3) the thing with the size! I'm small. Like small small. Didn't grow since I was 12. I read about it online a lot (most were talking about violin but I think it's adaptable to viola) and everyone said that when in doubt, children should get the smaller size first because it will be easier for them. There were also some instances where small older students were told to start on a 3/4 violin for the same reason. And I found a chart which can help finding the right size for children by measuring the left arm in a certain way. According to it 3/4 size violin or 14" viola is recommended for me. Now I don't know what to do. Should I get a cheaper 14" viola so I have it easier and not too much money is lost if don't continue, and upgrade to a bigger size when I can make the trip to a luthier/instrument store, and figure out what the best option for me is. Or should I take a 15" or even 15.5" from the beginning? If someone (read this far and) has some advice for me, please tell me. Thank you Edit: I forgot to say that the next luthier/proper instrument store are 2 hours away, so I can't just go there and I'd have to buy it online. I thought about getting this one www.thomann.de/gb/roth_junius_europe_14_student_viola_set.htm
i started learning viola a while ago, and i was genuinely concerned if it was a good idea especially due to seeing videos by twoset. i eventually caved to learning viola, and i’ve been really enjoying it! what makes me sad though is that there are likely people who considered playing viola, but seeing twosets videos changed their mind. that being said, i love them both and i find them super funny. i just hoped they would have a bit more respect for the instrument
This is for the people ho are in the situation that they got preduged and bullied of their instrument perference. There are always people looking down/ critisizing on classical instruments, recorders, violas, precocionists, ect. Some dare to start bullying. There is and always be people against things. But we don't need to take those people seriously. They properly even doesn't have understand music or your choices. And it would be a sin to drop your music bcs of those bad influences who are not supporting you.Pull yourself up to those who cares and motivate you! Bcs Music is and has always touched men souls! And that's the most beautiful thing to do as human. It let people unite! And you will be a part it! Maybe you will be the one inspring others to do the same! Keep it on!
I actually believe that the viola is a very cool instrument. Its warm, sweet and full sound make it so beautiful. I would like to learn it if I have a chance.
it would be so cool if twoset sees this (the other video also) and ask to collab with you... i’m sorry my imagination is uh yeah i really hope it does happen though
I am chiefly a viola player but still play lots of violin. I remember checking out a community string orchestra about a year ago. It consisted mostly of youth as well. I was the only viola player there. The director had a few cello and violin players playing the viola part. There wasn’t any stigma towards the viola among them that I could feel. I was disappointed to see no efforts to get any of the youth to take on the viola as well. It is such a good skill to have. So many professional violin players to go to teach. Why not know some viola? I feel that going back between the instruments has only improved my ability, not only in the instruments but also on the parts typically played for each. There is a compromise which is that progress is slower but i am okay with that. Viola will always be number one in my heart but I love all the four string instruments as the expression is so different for each. I even started learning a bit of cello and maybe one year I will try to learn some bass. Strings unite!
I'm a young magician and I chose the viola because not a lot of people play it. When I go to search up some viola pieces, most of the time it comes up with "violin" pieces. It kind of makes me annoyed because the violinists are getting more attention than the violists. My younger sister (who used to play the violin but changed her mind and chose band) also said that violists are not really needed and that band is better than orchestra, which got me upset. I love my instrument so much, though, I will never change my mind.
As a violinist, my first professor in the conservatory encouraged me to play the viola because he told me that it is an advantage for me to play the viola as a violinist. At first, I thought he was belittling me because I was not a very talented violinist under his studio.. But still I followed his advice because I heard a senior of mine playing the arpeggione Sonata on the viola on the school lobby and that sparked my interests on learning it. And as of now, I really enjoy the benefits of learning it even as a my secondary instrument. Learning the viola helped me learn on how to read the alto clef and helped me to be more sensitive in my chamber music playing. I also enjoy the support role the viola gives that second violins can't. 😁 ✌️ And practically, playing viola gave me gigs back then since there are a few violists around. That's why I never hated the viola from the start because I realized its importance not just as a ensemble instrument or solo instruments but also as a dignified member of the classical music world. I still graduated as a violinist because it's my dream but I really love the viola. ☺️
Violas seem to be in short supply in the amateur orchestras I'm familiar with. As a flautist and recorder player who loves orchestras but isn't in one, I find myself looking speculatively at the viola and wondering. The silliness around the viola combined with the shortage of violists makes me wonder if you guys are having the last laugh because you made a really smart decision when picking an instrument.
I’m non-musician and twosetter. Biggest thing I learned from Twoset is classic music isn’t boring, it’s beautiful and to sound that beautiful, every instruments are precious including viola. I feel bad for some people don’t having the “joke” as a “joke” but an insult. Jokes made people laugh, not giving up on their dreams. Viola gangs, remember there’s lot of people who appriciates violist than who bullies and insults.
I have yet to see a video of you playing. I saw the video of you addressing this issue and now this one and followed you because this needed to be said. Love TwoSet and their creativity, but their attitude about violas is definitely not their best trick. I will now proceed to educate myself about viola music.
i play violin and, i respect violist because if they weren't needed , they wouldn't be in the orchestra, and vice versa with my violist friend and the violin. we both respect the other indivual's instrument but sometimes we make jokes, and even to our own instruments sometimes-- i feel like what the community(which i love) needs to learn is that, its okay to make jokes as long as you respect the violists and the viola and know when to stop
I have played violin for over 6 years. And I perceived that I really love the lower tone of G string. And my friends said "bro, I think a Viola could be a good choice for you". So I give my violin to a child that have no conditions and I bought a Viola. And bro, what an amazing sound. I love it. But I pretend have another violin in the future. Cause I would like have both. Keep up man. You inspire me.♡
I started by playing viola and my sister picked it up a couple years after I did. She isn’t a full time player but she does play it every now and again. ❤️
I am not a violist I play violin and I always kind thought that the viola jokes were a bit much. But I didn't know the jokes were effecting people on this level. We just need to stop all instrument jokes that are teasing like that. It is hurtful.
I don't play any instrument, but I love music and I stumbled to TwoSet just a few days ago. Binged their videos and all. Of course, I encountered the platoon of viola jokes and yes, I find them funny. I understand how that can make violists feel unrepresented somehow, but that wasn't the effect for me. They were all humorous and I didn't take it that they actually don't like viola. The way they joke about it made me curious of the instrument, as I didn't even know it existed. I took their jokes as the way they try to actually introduce to non-players like me what a viola is. Kinda like the reverse of their jokes. It makes me wanna pick a viola and try to learn how to play it for starters. The negative effect of these jokes would obviously fall upon those younger people, taking them literally and seriously. It really needs an open mind and maturity for them to understand what it all actually means. TwoSet has a large audience and it's truly necessary that they represent the instruments 'properly', for the lack of a better word. Hopefully they can send a clearer message across to those young musicians. Thanks for sharing your insight. :> Viola is an awesome instrument. It brings the orchestra the cool and grounded feel as it is played. Rise, Viola gang! ;>
4:00 Yeah! I was apart of a large orchestra, and believe it or not, I was the only violist. I switched from violin to viola when I was nine because of how much I loved the instrument, and it’s just sad how it isn’t really appreciated.
I find the viola absolutely stunning in every way. I've started learning the viola for the past 1.5 year or so. I have never played the violin before. I'm a pianist, a composer and choir conductor. Actually, learning the viola was one of the best decisions of my life, as it requires so much careful attention for the slightess placement on the fingerboard and listening for the tuning. It actually improved my fine listening skill as a conductor.
I always see the violin as a guitar and the viola as the bass. Both are important in making versatile music. One of the few reasons why people look down or overshadow viola is because violin tends to play more wider range of music, especially in solo performance, whereas viola is more of a supportive instrument which usually fits in an orchestra, quartets, or any other accompany performances. Viola can play solo music too, of course, but it lacks range on higher scale of mid to high pitch. Violin lacks low scale, but many pieces tends to have mid to higher scale passages making it an almost all-rounder instrument.
Would love to collaborate with you @Viola King on any viola duets you may know, or just to talk about it I'll probably also be doing something to show my practicing everyday. I'm not a fulltime musician or student so can't really do it as long but I'll try my best
My brother is almost a doctor in viola performance, and growing up listening to him practice really led me to appreciate so much more the rich and warm sound the viola produce. I definitely preferred it more than the violin, since it sounds annoying and squishy to me.
Bring the viola to Indian music. We play at pitches between violin and viola range, if only we had strings for playing solos between D# to F, a 16 inch viola would be acoustically ok for that. Viola is great for accompanying male voice pitches too. We don't have a B clef to read and any instrument can play the entire repertoire and improvise. We sit and play so you don't need to support the instrument on the shoulder. You can even support the scroll on a stand and play and no one will complain. Oh and have you heard of the alto violin (the vertical viola?) It is incredible.
I started playing Viola in the 8th grade. I had signed up for Violin but our Orchestra teacher asked me if I would be okay with trying the Viola. The problem was there were already more than enough Violins. So I agreed and have never looked back. In high school I told our teacher that I originally wanted to play Violin. My grandpa was a fiddle player and self taught, he never learned to read music but he could play music by ear after hearing a song. I think it was because of him I had wanted to play it. So my teacher asked me if I wanted to switch to Violin and I said no way, I love my Viola and I love how it sounds. I never heard any jokes about Viola's the whole time I played during school. I only learned a few after watching these types of videos but you know what it doesn't bother me one bit because I know how great Violas are! The only bullying there might have been was just the fact of being in an Orchestra wasn't cool🙄but I know better! Stay strong my fellow Violists!
Honestly like I think there's always this lighthearted "feud" between some instruments like for example violins and violas etc but it's all fun and games yk. The issue is that even though I doubt that either of the ppl in twoset actually have any hard feelings against violas at all this is the internet and there's a chance some ppl are gonna take it seriously and take it too far
If you insult violas purely because of TSV videos and is a violinist/celloist/harpist/double bassist/guitarist, you are technically are insulting yourself because they all belong to the string family.
I honestly don't understand non musicians making jokes about instruments, I love music but sadly don't play any instrument yet. How can I even DARE to make a joke about an instrument, it doesn't matter which! I don't know the amount of time, money and dedication it took them to get where they are! Where is my respect for all of that!? It's saddening that some non musicians joke about it and make people insecure about their instruments.. so for me, if you don't play an instrument then you don't get to make jokes! and if I do the joke's on me for trying to fit in where I don't belong. Anyway, sending a hug to all violist out there, your patience and endurance amazes me!
The one that really got me was the one were they were passing viola jokes back and forth. As a Violist I can take a joke... but when they said just " viola... (expletive)" and were laughing so hard at just that... that's not a joke. I have never watched that video through But when Hillary Hahn said all violinist should try the viola! Thank you Hillary!!... I actually think that she was trying to softly say this is a problem with that comment.
Twoset are nice kids but they are still very much unaware of their internalized competitive and elitist view on how your profession is the basis of a man's self worth. I guess that becoming youtubers instead of doctors already was a huge and bold step in their lives but they still need to learn a lot about themselves and who they want to be.
@@mintbrownieangelfish-6114 exactly what i thought. They are not children, they are grown men and at some point there has to be a moment when this excuse is not enough
It's ironic how all the Viola jokes are what made me curious enough to switch from Violin to Viola😭 I also play Bass guitar but more as hobby and even those are often overlooked
The violinists in the orchestra I’m in and the viola section (in which I am in) we have a mutual agreement that we get to crack jokes about one another without being bullied. It’s amazing
I always liked the viola more than the violin. But I think it's because I like that sort of alto-feelin range that it has, yeah? If I had learned a bowed instrument, I feel like I'd have gone with the viola since it's small enough to carry around but has some girth that the violin doesn't.
Last year at school, there were 4 violists in all. This year, there are two. Me and my friend. Crazy thing is, that, one of my violist friends from the previous year (who is now going to a different school) says that at their new school there are *11 VIOLAS*. I mean, how?!
I must admit while watching the first minute of this video I still thought it was a joke but I honestly do get it. If I was to choose a string instrument I would say the viola and because that is the one I would’ve chosen when I was younger as well because I just like the range of the instrument. I don’t mind viola jokes if they’re genuinely funny but I feel like it’s just become part of two set culture.
Why are viola jokes so short? So violinists can understand them. 😆 Decided a violin joke was in order rather than another viola joke.
Do on to others as you would like to be done on to you. Don't retaliate. Simply speak up against what is wrong. Aside from that philosophical stuff, that is a pretty good violin joke.
No. Stop all teasing jokes on instruments they are just hurtful.
@@randomoneforstuff3696 exactly!
@@randomoneforstuff3696 yeah cause years of joke on the viola vs one joke on the violin is retaliation....
@@axanthiccrestie2460 dude, if you can’t handle it, too bad for you. But I just don’t see why you can’t understand this as a joke
I have nothing but respect for viola players. All instrument players tbh.💖
Tysm. I respect you ❤
I'm not a violist, but I appreciate the viola. Keep up the good work.
Me 2.💛 Every instrument needs to be respected.................even the Kazoo.
@@justanotherlinglingwannabe546 classical guitar too
@@niccolopaganini1782 That too! I actually wanna learn classical guitar
I learned to play the violin as a child and practice sometimes even now. The viola jokes on twoset made me curious, and I was further inspired by Viola King. So I rented a viola from my local luthier. It is a wonderful warm sounding instrument, and such a different skill to play it. Maybe I will learn to play it as my other instrument.
That’s awesome! Good luck on your viola journey
yes do it...
@@dj.culture6590 fun handle :-) My student viola has a fierce wolf tone for the open A string. Still figuring out how to manage it haha!
@@ViolaKing lol I actually cared more about the viola precisely because of Twoset's jokes. So I guess that's a silver lining for me? I do love the warmer tones.
What saddens me is when somebody asks me what instrument I play and I respond by saying that I play the viola, their response is similar to '' oohh, y-yeah, the viola... ''.
It almost makes me feel ashamed, and I often lie by I saying that I play the violin instead.
:'( Stand up for your instrument, and start spreading the word that violas are great!
NOOOO DONT LIE MY FRIEND 😭😭😭😭😭
i play the violin and sometimes say i play viola just to mess with people.... and to hear jokes...
(most people actually either don’t know the difference or just ask to be polite, I guess, so they do not notice.)
dude where do u live bc that seems so fucking toxic, ik atleast where I live people don't care or don't know the difference, maybe violinists will like say smth in a lighthearted way but that's all
When people ask about what's in my instrument case and I say viola, they're like, the what now? Is it a bigger violin? Then I go on a minute rant about the differences and the Viola's role in the orchestra
The viola is great, change my mind :) but seriously EVERY instrument is worthy and exists for a reason (TwoSet also once said this)
As a Recorder player I understand your pain 🙏
I totally agree that TSV should have some more instrument representation. As a classical saxophonist, I often feel left out. Not at all trying to say their content is bad - they're one of my favorite channels - I just think everyone could really benefit if they had more representation! I know they're violinists, but they are at their root a channel for classical music and seeing more representation of instrumentalists within that genre would be great. I would love to see them bring a professional violist, woodwind player, brass player, or even percussionist into a video.
they did though. Their beginner vs professional videos are exactly that
I'm an adult who plays viola just for myself these days and I really appreciate your channel. In school I'd seen peers quit the instrument because of the toxic behavior towards violists. That kind of behavior doesn't fly in adult spaces though and I'm not sure the community understands. I had to stop watching 2set at some point because of how badly they made me feel. I love my instrument but I don't want to endure maltreatment for it and I don't think that's too much to ask.
I stopped watching sometime back for the same reason
I thought they might have seen your video when I heard their comments on the viola on their try not to laugh on tiktok-video! Keep it up, dear violists :-)!!!
Yeah they were really nice
Ikr first thing I thought when I saw that video was YOUR video! Go viola king
Thank you for this!!! I’m a violist and this honestly makes me much happier because I started to feel as if the jokes they were saying were actually being taken seriously by some of their younger audience. I also have to say one thing: the viola jokes get a bit irritating. I had to stop watching a twoset video because I had just heard so many viola jokes it became more of an annoying burden to hear rather than a funny tease. I still love Brett and eddy though, nonetheless; I just feel it’s more the community’s fault too. The viola is a beautiful instrument, as beautiful as the violin, cello, double bass, etc! I’m so happy to have picked up the viola as my first instrument back in middle school; I don’t regret a thing. :)
When I was a percussionist in an orchestra, I always set up my instrumental array behind the cellists, violas, and bass. They were the sections I was able to hear the best during performances. I built a rapport with them, but never really got close to the woodwinds, brass, or violins. Honestly, I think the very nature of the large stringed instruments is what makes me relate with them so much. I've always been the underdog, so I root for the underdogs. We're the outliers, the sidelines, the lesser respected instruments. But without us, the music would be too high pitched, and lacking a backbone. We give the music stability, structure, and we anchor the beat and rhythm. After every performance, I turned to my group and congratulated them with, "Good shit, fuckers." We were our own congratulatory commitee, while everyone else heaped praise upon the violins, pianist, and woodwinds. I miss those days.
YES
I'm very happy that they did answer to the previous video.. It's like them.. Thank you for bringing this topic to light🙏💗
I’ve never even touched a violin, when we were shown different instruments we could play in 5th grade for 6th grade, I was stuck between flute and viola. In the end viola won, because I have horrible asthma so my flute plans went out the window. When I went to get fitted for a rental instrument at my middle school, they said my arms were the perfect length for a viola and I was ecstatic. My friend also wanted to play viola however her arm was to short so she had to play violin, so she quit after 1 month and moved onto theater instead. I’ve always been a violist, can’t play a violin to save my life, so no not all violas start out as violins, because I sure as hell didn’t. I love my viola, and I love playing harmony, because we add the balance to the orchestra and without us the orchestra is disorganized. I love Brett and eddy, but the teasing hurts, sometimes it’s funny but too much can be verbally abusive on a minor scale. Anyways I can take the jokes but just know most of us are chill peacekeepers who won’t say anything for fear of causing mayhem. But like a honey badger you poke to hard and the peace turns viscous.
Anyways enough ranting, it was a great video thank you for speaking up when people like me have to much anxiety or introverted ness to say anything. Viola gang for life!
I love playing violin on the lower strings because I think it sounds better than the high-squeaky stuff on the e-string... but I get so many condescending comments about it being a viola (even though it’s a violin...). With those kinds of comments on a violin video, I’d imagine a lot more upsetting comments on actual viola videos... 🙁 I once got to play one of those huge 17-inch violas at a store, and I loved how it sounded - but it was over $8000 (my violin was 2k...)! 😮 Viola sounds beautiful, is a more expensive instrument, you have to read a lot more clefs, and it’s bigger/heavier which makes it harder to play than the violin! I never really understood all the jokes...😕
Found your video when I was searching about viola because my son just started viola. He is 7 and has piano as his first instrument for two years and just started viola. He has never played a violin (thought my daughter plays violin). We all love viola, the warm sound and the preciousness at school (elementary school level LOL). My son is very sensitive. I believe if he heard all the "jokes" about viola he will cry and question himself. As an adult I can certainly distinguish "joke" and "mockery". But for a child or teen, they may take whatever they hear seriously. Thank you for your video and I love all the thoughtful comments.
I'm happy to hear that you're sending them these videos so that they're pretty much guaranteed to get seen, not for the fact of trying to get your point across in a demanding way or anything I just really want them to make a viola Ling Ling workout video!
the next step in this should be all of the great violinists who are also great violists to make a zoom video saying how much they love the viola. E.g. get Zukerman, Vengerov, Rachlin , Mintz, Ehnes and Kennedy. Theyve all performed the viola at the highest levels. They are all virtuosos and can vouch for the viola!!!! This should be the next step!!
Sounds like that would be performative lip service.
To be fair to two set, viola jokes have been around a lot longer than they have and they do have violists in some of their videos. If they stop viola jokes completely, viola jokes will still be around. I knew viola jokes long before i ever heard of two set. Ive seen that one of the violists that has been in several of the videos also models some of their merchandise on their website. He must at least be a friend. Remember that they are musicians but they are also comedians. I’m a vocalist. Jokes are told for each section of the chorus. It’s just not intended to be personal and anything other than a joke. I really don’t think that viola jokes have been a major factor in kids wanting to learn the violin over the viola. It’s the same for the trumpet over the trombone and gd forbid the tuba.
I was hoping somebody would have mentioned this, thank you. Viola jokes are way older than TwoSetViolin, it's just part of the culture. A VIOLIST introduced me to viola jokes back in the day, and there are also stereotypes and jokes for each instrument, even though it's true viola jokes are my favourites. I think Brett and Eddy make it very clear that these are jokes, the problem is that bullies will be bullies. Just do what you love and f*** the haters.
Here's the problem though: viola jokes existed amongst musicians. We all know that they are just jokes. They are not overused and they don't take away the respect for violists. Twoset introduced the jokes to many people that are not musicians, a huge part of their fan base are just young people that are only now being introduced to the world of classical music. They tend to take the jokes too far and they take it too seriously. They don't recognize teasing and turn it into bullying. I commented about it a while ago under their vids but while some people agree, most don't care. It has almost become a sport to comment the most insulting things under videos with violas in them, and when it's done cruelly and by people that don't even play any instrument themselves, it creates a negative environment for violists. I love twoset, i love playing violin but I'm ashamed each time i see people referencing twoset and then bullying violists under any yt video with classic instruments in it
@@Ysmir. Please remember that twoset does not control their fans. They do not control who watches their videos and what they take from them. But yes, it is a problem.
@@rachelwalmart oh, i know that. I just wish they addressed the problem and ease down on the jokes considering the effects they bring. They created a community and that does bring a sort of responsibility.
@@Ysmir. Yes, that is what I believe is their biggest fault: The neglect toward the problems their fans are creating. We need them to make a PSA, exposing the jokes for what they really are: j o k e s.
In reality, twoset’s viola jokes were always intended to be harmless jokes, but the fans misinterpreted them. Twoset does not bully violists, their fans do due to miscommunication. This is where twoset was careless. They had innocent intentions, but their failure to stress that their jokes *were* indeed jokes caused problems to other musicians, and their failure to address these problems only worsened them.
Brett and Eddy if you ever read this comment please do a collaborative video with either Viola King or other violists about viola performances you must watch or ling ling workout like how you did with other musicians.
Absolutely amazing thanks so much for sharing this awesome video
Hi! I saw your video from last week and even though I am piano gang, I totally understand, viola deserves respect as much as any instrument. I am a huge fan of twoset and I really appreciated how respectful and not angry at all you were explaining all of this.
Definitely subscribing X)
Watching this, I can totally relate to the Violist in the music industry because I felt the same way about the programming languages in the IT industry. I am a web developer / software engineer / front-end engineer so I work on HTML and JavaScript a lot, and HTML + JS are being made fun of in the IT community again and again with the same old joke; it just got stale over time. Some of the jokes don't even make any sense and people just agreeing and jumping on the hate bandwagon. It's rare to find a good front-end engineer nowadays because many are more interested in backend engineering.
I am not a musician (I play some instruments for casual purpose only) but as I watched your videos, I don't know why it felt close to home despite not knowing much about viola. and then realised it is because of the paragraph above.
I love twosetviolin and am a big fan of them, but whenever they made viola jokes im just indifferent because I dont understand what's there to joke about. Viola is important just like an alto in a choir (I was a soprano in my secondary school choir) and I love it when the altos harmonised with our melody. So violas are important in a symphony too and they deserve more attention and love.
i remember when i was just starting to watch them a few years back, i actually googled why people are making fun of the viola/viola jokes coz i didn’t get the joke coz i wasn’t a musician.
i researched about great viola performances and i didn’t see anything wrong with it.
so now i just appreciate the viola and the laugh ay the jokes as well. i’ve learned so much about classical music from twoset and i feel like i also belong to the classical music community because of them.
You make me want to switch to the viola as a violinist.
love your operas bro
Bizet pls release new stuff I love your music ❤️❤️❤️
Thank you for making this video!
ya when i saw twosets new video i was happy the the showed some love for viola
Viola sound is so sweet. I wish I can afford it. But I am just a small time worker. But I will never give up. I will save for that sweet instrument and will definitely learn it. By the way noob pianist/keyboardist here.
I thought they might have heard you when I saw their video yesterday. Let’s see what the future will bring, and I am hoping for cool viola content on both of your channels soon.
They may have, but they have toned down their viola jokes and made supportive comments more over the last year or so.
ah i saw their tiktok video yesterday and was super pleasantly surprised at how nice they were to violas! made me wonder if they had seen your video haha :D
I'm a non musician who enjoys two set, but I've often wondered about that whole viola joke thing, one off note in an otherwise positive channel. I'm glad you brought this up. I think you will be able to get this straightened out. I'll be following this. Thank you!
Thank you for this video. I heartily agree with you and I agree that perpetuating existing bad stereotypes by goofing around isn't a great thing to do. I think the lack of violas in youth ensembles is influenced by a lot of factors: violins are just that much more exposed, there are many more violin teachers out there and it's easier to find one, there are lots more Suzuki violin programs, there is more availability of good fractional violins than violas, or else restring a violin as a viola, which is a workable solution. Both my brother and I started on violin and began playing viola at age 12 because of ensemble needs and both of us used restrung violins because of our size. I transitioned to a proper viola 2.5 years later, and my brother became big enough for a real viola about 6 months after starting viola, but has not acquired a real viola yet due to COVID. There certainly are lovely fractional violas, but finding a decent one can be tricky (depending on where you are) and we were lucky that our restrung violins were decent instruments. There are also other instruments which are seen as less accessible and popular, such as the oboe, bassoon, French horn and double bass. Those instruments do have some practical challenges associated with it, such as cost, or size (in the case of the contrabass) or double reeds just being finicky, but they are great instruments and they deserve to be more widely recognized. I was exposed to the viola in some capacity before age 12. I used to think it was the same size as a violin, I just knew it had a different tuning and I thought it sounded pretty but didn't think much about it until age 12 so yeah.. I had considered giving up violin for viola, but decided it wasn't the right thing for me because I still do love the violin and have a lot of compelling reasons to be a violinist, but at the same time I have many compelling reasons to play viola, and piano as well. If something significant happens and I really decide to switch to viola full time in the future, I will decide about that when I feel it's right, but until then, I shall play both.
One thing is that TwoSetViolin is not entirely to blame. They make their jokes, but they fully respect the viola and those who dedicate their time to it. The viola is a beautiful instrument that deserves its own fair share of respect. It’s the community taking the jokes too far that would be the problem. They have made videos featuring violists, who fully accepted the *jokes* what with that being what they are and even making some of their own. The joke has a lot to do with violinists as well, as that person said. The joke is about a stereotype that the viola is bad, and violists are egotistical. It does not correlate very consistently with reality, as it is just that, a stereotype.
I remember twoset makes fun of violas as a joke, but I understand if it hurts yall’s feelings sometimes. I’m a violinist and I think violas can sound so pretty ☺️
haha your pfp
I honestly don’t know how I found it XD
your pfp is beautiful
@@genieve5062 lmaooo
Without viola, or horn, or saxophone, or 3rd clarinet, all of us in the "middle" of the ensemble, the ensemble lacks depth. After all, a sandwich is named for what's in the middle, not for the bread on the outside. Instrument stereotypes have been around since dirt. As a musician of a certain age, I remember my teacher, a member of a major US orchestra, make disparaging remarks about violists. I was taken aback at the time, but one doesn't correct one's teacher. I've never forgotten it.
As a child my dream instrument was the harp, then the viola. I liked the viola because it had a warmer sound than the violin. Then few years later I fell in love with the violin, because I'm a ballet dancer and most ballet music is lead by the violin. I still have huge appreciation for the viola though and when I learnt about the existence of viola jokes last year (when I saw TwoSet for the first time) I was shocked, because I never imagined.
I've personally being standing for aspects of the world of classical music TwoSet doesn't always appreciate or value, and I think sometimes they're just not inclusive to the entire world and value the most the pieces they're more familiar with.
So I started commenting repetitively under their videos to represent those communities, starting with the ballet world (I tried to clear things up whenever they included ballet in their videos without actually treating it correctly). I also stood for Opera and for violas, and I started posting appreciation posts on Reddit about violas. Sadly I am not a fan of jazz, pop and other communities that are underrepresented in TwoSet Violin, so I don't have the ability to do the same for everybody, but I hope every aspect of the Classical world/musical world can be well represented and respected❤️
Love the background music on this video. Is that you, James? Sounds beautiful.
Yes. I forgot to write it in the description originally but it is mvt. 2 of Kalendarmusik. The link is now in the description
recommendations brought me here. and wow now I really hope for a collaboration bw these two channels.
As a violinist, you have all my support ! Viola is great !
And my favorite "instrument" is the string quartet and the viola is absolutely necessary in it. Live long viola gang !
I have a student who is a violist and while, as a violinist, I love TwoSet, there is now way I would refer my student to them because, well, he doesn't need all the self-esteem bombing. Hope this effort helps TwoSet to move away from viola jokes (or, um, broaden their range of targets).
I have sent 2 messages recently (after watching your post) to twoset asking to stop the viola jokes...
My daughter plays the violin BUT...if she played the viola and ever got teased I would be so upset...
Maybe when Eddie n Brett have their own kids they might realise what type of negative impact their viola jokes can have on young minds...
P.s I do love twoset still...😅😆
YES! As someone starting to learn the viola I am very happy to have found your channel. I love twoset as well and am a subscriber, but considering the amount of impact they have on so many people, being musicians or not, I would be nice to see they actually respect the viola. When I told someone that I was starting to learn the viola, she made a comment that it's for the "less talented" people and that I should try the violin. It's quite upsetting to see that these "jokes" have gone too far and can really have a negative impact on the self esteem of many, especilaly young, violists.
I play the Violin , Viola , and the cello and i love all of them so much and would never give up my baby instruments
not a violist but viola is my fav in the string family! It hurts me seeing ppl who doesn’t even know the instrument making viola jokes because they take it for REAL!
my older brothers were violinists but transitioned to viola in high school. I'm in high school myself, but I'm a violinist and pianist. I had to learn viola for string groups and sometimes orchestra. I am in love with the deep, rich, majestic sound that the can viola create. (though a lot of instruments can.) I have always known twoset's viola jokes were... well.. jokes. I'd never bully someone for their instrument, I appreciate everyone as long as they are respectful. though there isn't as much repertoire for violists out there, the stuff that does exist is wonderful. more love to violas! we love you and appreciate you, and us violinists really wouldn't be here without you. 💗
- a teenage twosetter
Continue what you're doing, i am sure the situation will change, keep practicing ! ; )
The viola is cool 😎. Love it. I'm a fiddle player, but would like to get a viola 😊😉
Mary Spender has uploaded a video about her experience learning the viola; that might be a good video for TwoSet to watch and react to
Thank you for your videos Viola King. I totally agree that some may legitimately feel that the Viola is an inferior instrument because of all of the jokes on TwoSet. I just saw one yesterday where Eddy bought Brett a Viola for his birthday. Then they pretty much roasted and be littled the instrument. I imagine that it was supposed to be humor, but ha ha. 😒
I had so many more opportunities playing the viola vs being in a sea of violins. The musical experiences are ones I will always cherish.
I would love to see TwoSet talk more about viola, especially how not everyone plays the same sized instrument like they do with the violin. There isn't just full-sized viola and done. It is based on the size of the player. I've never seen that addressed and it might be really interesting to people. Plus the rich sound of the viola is beautiful. Thank you for your videos. 💛🌼💛
I actually think about picking up the viola because of twoset. I realized that the viola is a nice instrument and that I prefer it over the violin back in primary school when we learned about orchestral instruments. But I never got the idea to just pick it up and learn to play it, because there still was this stigma that violin and co are for rich people and you have to give an arm and a leg to be able to play it as a common mortal. This was around 18 years ago. Twoset made me realize that everyone can play any instrument they want as long as they put in the effort. Also I learned that affordable instruments exist! Now my 3 biggest issues left are:
1) I now myself and I have a hard time establishing new habits. Chances are that I'm going to practice the sh*t out of it for some days to a few weeks and then never touch it again.
2) I work 3 shifts and I don't know when I should practice because either I'm asleep or everyone else is. Also I'm super paranoid about being heard and I almost can hear some stupid comments from my grandparents already...
3) the thing with the size!
I'm small. Like small small. Didn't grow since I was 12. I read about it online a lot (most were talking about violin but I think it's adaptable to viola) and everyone said that when in doubt, children should get the smaller size first because it will be easier for them. There were also some instances where small older students were told to start on a 3/4 violin for the same reason. And I found a chart which can help finding the right size for children by measuring the left arm in a certain way. According to it 3/4 size violin or 14" viola is recommended for me. Now I don't know what to do. Should I get a cheaper 14" viola so I have it easier and not too much money is lost if don't continue, and upgrade to a bigger size when I can make the trip to a luthier/instrument store, and figure out what the best option for me is. Or should I take a 15" or even 15.5" from the beginning?
If someone (read this far and) has some advice for me, please tell me. Thank you
Edit: I forgot to say that the next luthier/proper instrument store are 2 hours away, so I can't just go there and I'd have to buy it online. I thought about getting this one www.thomann.de/gb/roth_junius_europe_14_student_viola_set.htm
The Violin and The Viola are both a beautiful instruments.
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i started learning viola a while ago, and i was genuinely concerned if it was a good idea especially due to seeing videos by twoset. i eventually caved to learning viola, and i’ve been really enjoying it! what makes me sad though is that there are likely people who considered playing viola, but seeing twosets videos changed their mind. that being said, i love them both and i find them super funny. i just hoped they would have a bit more respect for the instrument
Les go.
This is for the people ho are in the situation that they got preduged and bullied of their instrument perference.
There are always people looking down/ critisizing on classical instruments, recorders, violas, precocionists, ect. Some dare to start bullying. There is and always be people against things. But we don't need to take those people seriously. They properly even doesn't have understand music or your choices. And it would be a sin to drop your music bcs of those bad influences who are not supporting you.Pull yourself up to those who cares and motivate you!
Bcs Music is and has always touched men souls! And that's the most beautiful thing to do as human. It let people unite! And you will be a part it! Maybe you will be the one inspring others to do the same! Keep it on!
That joke at the end should have included the cello, too (the granddaddy octobass counts as a bass, jah?)
I actually believe that the viola is a very cool instrument. Its warm, sweet and full sound make it so beautiful. I would like to learn it if I have a chance.
Ngl, your comment getting noticed and included feels really good
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we have the same profile picture.
@@agneyamghoshal5136 you changed it?
@@cheeseontoast3434 yeah changed it today lmao
@@cheeseontoast3434 it was the same frame from bohemian rhapsody
it would be so cool if twoset sees this (the other video also) and ask to collab with you... i’m sorry my imagination is uh yeah i really hope it does happen though
If TSV really didn't care to collab with David Aaron Carpenter then I don't know how big a chance they would want to with James...
I am chiefly a viola player but still play lots of violin. I remember checking out a community string orchestra about a year ago. It consisted mostly of youth as well. I was the only viola player there. The director had a few cello and violin players playing the viola part. There wasn’t any stigma towards the viola among them that I could feel. I was disappointed to see no efforts to get any of the youth to take on the viola as well. It is such a good skill to have. So many professional violin players to go to teach. Why not know some viola? I feel that going back between the instruments has only improved my ability, not only in the instruments but also on the parts typically played for each. There is a compromise which is that progress is slower but i am okay with that. Viola will always be number one in my heart but I love all the four string instruments as the expression is so different for each. I even started learning a bit of cello and maybe one year I will try to learn some bass. Strings unite!
As a euphonium player, (the brass version of the viola), I get you bro. Its ok.
I'm a young magician and I chose the viola because not a lot of people play it. When I go to search up some viola pieces, most of the time it comes up with "violin" pieces. It kind of makes me annoyed because the violinists are getting more attention than the violists. My younger sister (who used to play the violin but changed her mind and chose band) also said that violists are not really needed and that band is better than orchestra, which got me upset. I love my instrument so much, though, I will never change my mind.
As a violinist, my first professor in the conservatory encouraged me to play the viola because he told me that it is an advantage for me to play the viola as a violinist. At first, I thought he was belittling me because I was not a very talented violinist under his studio.. But still I followed his advice because I heard a senior of mine playing the arpeggione Sonata on the viola on the school lobby and that sparked my interests on learning it. And as of now, I really enjoy the benefits of learning it even as a my secondary instrument. Learning the viola helped me learn on how to read the alto clef and helped me to be more sensitive in my chamber music playing. I also enjoy the support role the viola gives that second violins can't. 😁 ✌️ And practically, playing viola gave me gigs back then since there are a few violists around. That's why I never hated the viola from the start because I realized its importance not just as a ensemble instrument or solo instruments but also as a dignified member of the classical music world. I still graduated as a violinist because it's my dream but I really love the viola. ☺️
I'm from Twoset community (but i'm a classical singer) and I appreciate your works
Violas seem to be in short supply in the amateur orchestras I'm familiar with. As a flautist and recorder player who loves orchestras but isn't in one, I find myself looking speculatively at the viola and wondering.
The silliness around the viola combined with the shortage of violists makes me wonder if you guys are having the last laugh because you made a really smart decision when picking an instrument.
thank god you smile again
I’m non-musician and twosetter. Biggest thing I learned from Twoset is classic music isn’t boring, it’s beautiful and to sound that beautiful, every instruments are precious including viola. I feel bad for some people don’t having the “joke” as a “joke” but an insult. Jokes made people laugh, not giving up on their dreams. Viola gangs, remember there’s lot of people who appriciates violist than who bullies and insults.
I have yet to see a video of you playing. I saw the video of you addressing this issue and now this one and followed you because this needed to be said. Love TwoSet and their creativity, but their attitude about violas is definitely not their best trick. I will now proceed to educate myself about viola music.
i play violin and, i respect violist because if they weren't needed , they wouldn't be in the orchestra, and vice versa with my violist friend and the violin. we both respect the other indivual's instrument but sometimes we make jokes, and even to our own instruments sometimes-- i feel like what the community(which i love) needs to learn is that, its okay to make jokes as long as you respect the violists and the viola and know when to stop
I have played violin for over 6 years. And I perceived that I really love the lower tone of G string. And my friends said "bro, I think a Viola could be a good choice for you". So I give my violin to a child that have no conditions and I bought a Viola. And bro, what an amazing sound. I love it. But I pretend have another violin in the future. Cause I would like have both. Keep up man. You inspire me.♡
I am learning violin at the moment and will pickup viola after learning it
I started by playing viola and my sister picked it up a couple years after I did. She isn’t a full time player but she does play it every now and again. ❤️
I am not a violist I play violin and I always kind thought that the viola jokes were a bit much. But I didn't know the jokes were effecting people on this level. We just need to stop all instrument jokes that are teasing like that. It is hurtful.
I don't play any instrument, but I love music and I stumbled to TwoSet just a few days ago. Binged their videos and all. Of course, I encountered the platoon of viola jokes and yes, I find them funny. I understand how that can make violists feel unrepresented somehow, but that wasn't the effect for me.
They were all humorous and I didn't take it that they actually don't like viola. The way they joke about it made me curious of the instrument, as I didn't even know it existed. I took their jokes as the way they try to actually introduce to non-players like me what a viola is. Kinda like the reverse of their jokes. It makes me wanna pick a viola and try to learn how to play it for starters.
The negative effect of these jokes would obviously fall upon those younger people, taking them literally and seriously. It really needs an open mind and maturity for them to understand what it all actually means. TwoSet has a large audience and it's truly necessary that they represent the instruments 'properly', for the lack of a better word. Hopefully they can send a clearer message across to those young musicians.
Thanks for sharing your insight. :> Viola is an awesome instrument. It brings the orchestra the cool and grounded feel as it is played. Rise, Viola gang! ;>
You violists are the coolest people you guys laugh with us despite the fact that we clown on you. Respect for my violists
4:00 Yeah! I was apart of a large orchestra, and believe it or not, I was the only violist. I switched from violin to viola when I was nine because of how much I loved the instrument, and it’s just sad how it isn’t really appreciated.
Hehehe I’m a violinist, and I really love violas. Twoset’s jokes are pretty funny though
I find the viola absolutely stunning in every way. I've started learning the viola for the past 1.5 year or so. I have never played the violin before. I'm a pianist, a composer and choir conductor. Actually, learning the viola was one of the best decisions of my life, as it requires so much careful attention for the slightess placement on the fingerboard and listening for the tuning. It actually improved my fine listening skill as a conductor.
I always see the violin as a guitar and the viola as the bass. Both are important in making versatile music. One of the few reasons why people look down or overshadow viola is because violin tends to play more wider range of music, especially in solo performance, whereas viola is more of a supportive instrument which usually fits in an orchestra, quartets, or any other accompany performances. Viola can play solo music too, of course, but it lacks range on higher scale of mid to high pitch. Violin lacks low scale, but many pieces tends to have mid to higher scale passages making it an almost all-rounder instrument.
Would love to collaborate with you @Viola King on any viola duets you may know, or just to talk about it
I'll probably also be doing something to show my practicing everyday. I'm not a fulltime musician or student so can't really do it as long but I'll try my best
Although my youth orchestra violists don't have much confidence in playing, they still make the best friends I could possibly have
My brother is almost a doctor in viola performance, and growing up listening to him practice really led me to appreciate so much more the rich and warm sound the viola produce. I definitely preferred it more than the violin, since it sounds annoying and squishy to me.
Viola is basically a small cello cus the tuning is the same but the octave up
i play 5 instruments and viola is definitely one of my favorites!
Bring the viola to Indian music. We play at pitches between violin and viola range, if only we had strings for playing solos between D# to F, a 16 inch viola would be acoustically ok for that. Viola is great for accompanying male voice pitches too. We don't have a B clef to read and any instrument can play the entire repertoire and improvise. We sit and play so you don't need to support the instrument on the shoulder. You can even support the scroll on a stand and play and no one will complain.
Oh and have you heard of the alto violin (the vertical viola?) It is incredible.
I started playing Viola in the 8th grade. I had signed up for Violin but our Orchestra teacher asked me if I would be okay with trying the Viola. The problem was there were already more than enough Violins. So I agreed and have never looked back. In high school I told our teacher that I originally wanted to play Violin. My grandpa was a fiddle player and self taught, he never learned to read music but he could play music by ear after hearing a song. I think it was because of him I had wanted to play it. So my teacher asked me if I wanted to switch to Violin and I said no way, I love my Viola and I love how it sounds. I never heard any jokes about Viola's the whole time I played during school. I only learned a few after watching these types of videos but you know what it doesn't bother me one bit because I know how great Violas are! The only bullying there might have been was just the fact of being in an Orchestra wasn't cool🙄but I know better! Stay strong my fellow Violists!
Honestly like I think there's always this lighthearted "feud" between some instruments like for example violins and violas etc but it's all fun and games yk. The issue is that even though I doubt that either of the ppl in twoset actually have any hard feelings against violas at all this is the internet and there's a chance some ppl are gonna take it seriously and take it too far
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If you insult violas purely because of TSV videos and is a violinist/celloist/harpist/double bassist/guitarist, you are technically are insulting yourself because they all belong to the string family.
I honestly don't understand non musicians making jokes about instruments, I love music but sadly don't play any instrument yet. How can I even DARE to make a joke about an instrument, it doesn't matter which! I don't know the amount of time, money and dedication it took them to get where they are! Where is my respect for all of that!? It's saddening that some non musicians joke about it and make people insecure about their instruments.. so for me, if you don't play an instrument then you don't get to make jokes! and if I do the joke's on me for trying to fit in where I don't belong. Anyway, sending a hug to all violist out there, your patience and endurance amazes me!
The one that really got me was the one were they were passing viola jokes back and forth.
As a Violist I can take a joke... but when they said just " viola... (expletive)" and were laughing so hard at just that... that's not a joke. I have never watched that video through
But when Hillary Hahn said all violinist should try the viola! Thank you Hillary!!... I actually think that she was trying to softly say this is a problem with that comment.
Twoset are nice kids but they are still very much unaware of their internalized competitive and elitist view on how your profession is the basis of a man's self worth. I guess that becoming youtubers instead of doctors already was a huge and bold step in their lives but they still need to learn a lot about themselves and who they want to be.
It's a bit weird to call them kids when they're almost 30
@@mintbrownieangelfish-6114 exactly what i thought. They are not children, they are grown men and at some point there has to be a moment when this excuse is not enough
viola is a real badass instrument, sound obscure and thick, I play violin but always wanted a viola, might switch to it,
It's ironic how all the Viola jokes are what made me curious enough to switch from Violin to Viola😭
I also play Bass guitar but more as hobby and even those are often overlooked
Do you know how to play the viola d'amore!??? I never heard of that instrument until I spoke to the orchestra from Romeo and Juliet!
The violinists in the orchestra I’m in and the viola section (in which I am in) we have a mutual agreement that we get to crack jokes about one another without being bullied. It’s amazing
I always liked the viola more than the violin. But I think it's because I like that sort of alto-feelin range that it has, yeah? If I had learned a bowed instrument, I feel like I'd have gone with the viola since it's small enough to carry around but has some girth that the violin doesn't.
Last year at school, there were 4 violists in all. This year, there are two. Me and my friend. Crazy thing is, that, one of my violist friends from the previous year (who is now going to a different school) says that at their new school there are *11 VIOLAS*. I mean, how?!
I must admit while watching the first minute of this video I still thought it was a joke but I honestly do get it. If I was to choose a string instrument I would say the viola and because that is the one I would’ve chosen when I was younger as well because I just like the range of the instrument. I don’t mind viola jokes if they’re genuinely funny but I feel like it’s just become part of two set culture.