Can’t agree with you more. Absolutely bang on. I love Stevie Y and what he means to Detroit. But it huts to say that he needs to take ownership of this pathetic display of hockey this team is playing. Not doing anything is mind boggling. How the hell Lalonde is still behind the bench blows me away. This team is hard to watch and Lalonde keeps going with the same formula expecting a different result.
Like I am with you on lalonde but when people tell me, who has he signed the last 6 years that have been significant? I go okay well WHO has wanted to play here?? Like we have been garbage the last 6 years so, so it’s a fair question, what big star free agent not named Debrincat or Kane has wanted to be in detroit
The longest leash i’ve ever seen for a GM. Year 6 and nowhere close to contention. Please someone tell me any other franchise that would allow this long of a tenure with absolutely zero to show for it
None. The wings fan will literally jump off of a bridge if yzerman told them to. It's stupid how loyal they are to the boys club. Yzerman was never a good free agent GM. He had amazing scouts in Tampa who told him who he should draft. When left to his own devices he produces garbage like the yzerman dead thinfs
The Tigers and the Red Wings are the EXACT SAME teams. There is no sense of urgency, because the owner doesn't care in the least. Yzerman has checked out too.
Also, it took SY at least 3.5 years to set the ship right after Holland emptied EVERY cupboard ! Our mgmnt. has drafted very well and we should see the fruits of the labor in about 2 years. Patience is necessary, this team had nothing left when Steve came here . GR are kicking butt , Euro prospects looking good and junior/college prospects looking good. The problem is Lalonde and Company. We need a proven winner like Quenneville to coach this team correctly. You really can't judge them with this sad excuse of a coach. This current roster i as just a bridge ! 1/2 these guys were not meant to be any more than that. Have patience and wake up. ILLICH IS IN CHARGE, not Steve Y. !!!
The Walman trade, I MEAN DUMP! This was when I began to REALLY scratch my head at Yzerman's plan. It's so sad. He loved playing here. We loved Walman. It continued with Maatta and now we have two Defenseman who are some of the best in the league backed up with some of the worst in the league.
Rico put it best (as much as y'all don't like him): Stevie hasn't fired Lalonde because once he fires Lalonde, the next person gone is Stevie himself and perhaps he's realized that
Yzerman is the main problem, and the coach is a secondary problem. This organization does not know how to win in the salary cap era. I thought one of the saddest days was when Chelios left to go back to Chicago--because few people are more competitive than Chelios. We needed him in our organization. I didn't like losing Bertuzzi either. I know all the excuses will come why they had to do it, but here's the thing: who did you replace him with? You have to have guys like him on your team if you want to win. This team is built wrong! That's the main problem.
Does anyone seriously want Cossa starting for this team? Like you gonna throw him out there last night against Philly with how Talbot kept us in that game? Last season everyone was going on about how the wings break goalies ffs
@chip6954 fuck no! He's flourishing in GR. That's exactly where he should be for the remainder of this season. Let grand rapids push for the calder with him in the crease this year. This wings team is dead and should continue to tank. You bring up cossa as the backup to Talbot next year and ease him into the nhl game. He does not need to suffer behind this atrocious defense that Steve pieced together
@wyattbarnes9641 I don't like the trade either but I thinks it's unfair to say (as the podcasters did) that we didn't make any big signings off the back of Walman cap dump. Who would you have traded because I doubt anyone would have taken Petry/holl/Chiarot
@@wyattbarnes9641can I ask what else we could have done? Like genuinely curious. Cause like holl and chariot aren’t going anywhere. Sieder is here for his career edvinsson is in the NHL next year whether you like it or not. At the time anyway maatta wasn’t going anywhere
It was a salary dump and we got edvinsson out of it. Plus probably sieder. Walman took up cap and it sounded like was also a locker room cancer. Plus he wasn’t great defensively.
Oh and we also got a goalie out of this trade as well cam Talbot who has been our lord and fucking savior so tell me again the Walman trade was bad please. Like I get it you liked him he did the griddy whoopty fucking do. MOVE ON! We weren’t able to move anyone else. You think someone wanted Holl and his contract or chariot who has a modified no move clause or petry. 🤣
lalonde should have been fired last year during either of the multigame losing streaks. petry, cane, tarasenko signings are questionable to say the least. walman and gostisbehere trades are equally questionable. if kids are the future of the wings, then it's time to play them.
the plan has always been to play "his" draft picks. the rest of his moves have been bad for sure. i'm guessing he wanted the solid bridge to his picks and he definitely has failed there.
I tried to defend the Yzerplan at first but I just can’t anymore. SY has made too many bad signings and questionable decisions, and hasn’t held his coach accountable for lack of leadership and failing to motivate the team. At least the prospect pool looks promising, but thats about the only good thing Yzerman has done during his time as Wings GM. At this point in the rebuild the Wings should be seeing results and not tanking, and that falls on him.
Your complaints are aimed at the wrong petson. Chris Illich is who you should be pointing the finger at. He is not letting SY run things the way he wants and Illich is letting him take the blame ! Shame on him for disrespecting the fans ; and the trust that his father built !
What would you do? You embrace the tank, cause you got nothing in the pipeline thats not a bottom 6er or a fringe top 6er and you cant trade most of these guys, just cause of how bad there contracts are. So tank on and get the face of the franchies, if you can even do that right and maybe suck one more year to get these contracts out of here and maybe guys like ASP, Kasper and Nate will all be hear.
There was a buried article last year or so on why walman was scratched for a couple games. Had to do with his practice and numbers after a new Video game came out like call of duty or fortnite or something Seemed the article suggested he puts more into games then actually the game of hockey Kenny you should be able to find it Hockey news or something like ign
@bdad4173 I mean the guy gave ya results, look at guys like Phil Kessel, dudes got more accomplishments then Mcdavid and were complaing that Wall didnt treat hockey like a religion but kept these group of pylons over him and tried to trade for bum Trouba
Yup , worst thing we did was try to win a few yrs sooner which resulted in us drafted 8 &9 and missing out on guys like michkov leonard gauthier Etc... best thing to do is get a top 3 pick , trade players ASAP to “unintentionally tank” and use those assets for cozens and other players apparently available and call up tuomisto,Soderblom etc.. and see if they have any future here at all or let them go in the off season This season is done , finishing 12th would be the absolute worst thing that can happen
@socialmediag5485 honestly gonna be pretty hard to trade some of these contracts. I said it last season we needed to just let the kids play but SY got impatient, I doubt there was any fire under his ass from Chris. This was all his impatients and desperation showing the past 2 years and for what, to be a fringe post season team with no long term
@@krimsonshadow94 I’m sure Chris convinced him to speed up the rebuild to get people to the games. As for moving players we have the advantage of adding chea contracts next few seasons . Eat up 50% of the likes of chiarot, tarasenko etc.. for another season or 2 I’m sure you’d find lot more takers With danielson Cossa etc... coming up we can afford to do so
Yzerman should've been fired 10 games ago for not firing LaLonde. The Yzerman azz kissing and getting a pass on everything because of his playing days here should've been over 2 years ago. The 15 yr Yzerplan slow roll on everything and everybody is OVER...C'mon Detroit hockey fans see it for what it is. P.S. Nice call out Mike🤷🏻♂🤷🏻♂🤷🏻♂
Debrincat, Tank and Comphere are solid signings. He can't skate for these guys. Name one person after last year though Kane was dead ? Thanks thought so. You guys are 🤡
I did, didn't want to initially sign him, didn't want to resign him. He brings nothing they need, which is team defense, I don't care how few goals they score, look at the shot differential every night, they're getting obliterated, why, because they're small, they can't win a board battle in any zone, so why sign a guy who doesn't play on the boards, is small, and whonplays poke and hope defense, they would've been better off not signing him to begin with.
@@bradmaguire9611it’s the systems in place by lalonde defensive first on a team that is a bunch of small forwards isn’t gonna work. Play to the teams strengths which was and still can be offense
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Debrincat was a good trade.
Can’t agree with you more. Absolutely bang on. I love Stevie Y and what he means to Detroit. But it huts to say that he needs to take ownership of this pathetic display of hockey this team is playing. Not doing anything is mind boggling. How the hell Lalonde is still behind the bench blows me away. This team is hard to watch and Lalonde keeps going with the same formula expecting a different result.
Like I am with you on lalonde but when people tell me, who has he signed the last 6 years that have been significant? I go okay well WHO has wanted to play here?? Like we have been garbage the last 6 years so, so it’s a fair question, what big star free agent not named Debrincat or Kane has wanted to be in detroit
What the Caps have done should sicken Detroit
Compher is the real bad contract, replaced as 2C by a rookie and we are stuck with him until 2028 on over 5mill a year
Team lacks speed on the wing, defense lacks size.
He along with Lalonde have become Quinn/Patricia 2.0.
Detroit Red Wings - 11 wins
San Jose Sharks - 11 wins
Detroit Lions - 12 wins
The longest leash i’ve ever seen for a GM. Year 6 and nowhere close to contention. Please someone tell me any other franchise that would allow this long of a tenure with absolutely zero to show for it
None. The wings fan will literally jump off of a bridge if yzerman told them to. It's stupid how loyal they are to the boys club. Yzerman was never a good free agent GM. He had amazing scouts in Tampa who told him who he should draft. When left to his own devices he produces garbage like the yzerman dead thinfs
He did the same thing with that Vrana guy
To be fair, the goalies have been some of the most valuable signings around the league.
The Tigers and the Red Wings are the EXACT SAME teams. There is no sense of urgency, because the owner doesn't care in the least. Yzerman has checked out too.
I said this same thing 2months ago.💯 facts
Hardly. With all that twitching you may well tweak a few tendons.
@@svengolly7150and you were wrong then also.
@Kurt-ci1dk You must not watch then! 😂😂😂
Thank you Chris Illitch for ruining 2 franchise's your Dad left you.
Not only has he not been an "elite" GM, he's not even been average. Glad I didn't pay for ESPN+ this year.
Also, it took SY at least 3.5 years to set the ship right after Holland emptied EVERY cupboard ! Our mgmnt. has drafted very well and we should see the fruits of the labor in about 2 years. Patience is necessary, this team had nothing left when Steve came here . GR are kicking butt , Euro prospects looking good and junior/college prospects looking good. The problem is Lalonde and Company. We need a proven winner like Quenneville to coach this team correctly. You really can't judge them with this sad excuse of a coach. This current roster i as just a bridge ! 1/2 these guys were not meant to be any more than that. Have patience and wake up. ILLICH IS IN CHARGE, not Steve Y. !!!
You also need to look at ownership. I can’t believe this is all Yzerman. Is Illitch handcuffing him?
The Walman situation must have some behind the scenes story we need to hear. Or just a YzerMistake.
The Walman trade, I MEAN DUMP! This was when I began to REALLY scratch my head at Yzerman's plan. It's so sad. He loved playing here. We loved Walman. It continued with Maatta and now we have two Defenseman who are some of the best in the league backed up with some of the worst in the league.
Yzerman--favorite “player”, anchor of a GM---bottom of the barrel with no pulse and no plan. Just disgusting.
Rico put it best (as much as y'all don't like him): Stevie hasn't fired Lalonde because once he fires Lalonde, the next person gone is Stevie himself and perhaps he's realized that
Consider the opposite...changing coaches could guarantee him an even longer leash to "see it through" 🤔
@@chip6954 in what sport do Gms get MULTIPLE coaches to get it right? Stevie's on his 3rd or 4th already?
Yzerman is the main problem, and the coach is a secondary problem. This organization does not know how to win in the salary cap era. I thought one of the saddest days was when Chelios left to go back to Chicago--because few people are more competitive than Chelios. We needed him in our organization. I didn't like losing Bertuzzi either. I know all the excuses will come why they had to do it, but here's the thing: who did you replace him with? You have to have guys like him on your team if you want to win. This team is built wrong! That's the main problem.
That's been my concern...allowing Stevie to simply change coaches, guarantees him, the root problem, another 3 seasons
That walman trade was to clear salary cap to sign Steven Stamkos
Delusional 🙄 it was a move to resign Seider and Raymond and still have enough to pick up a goalie
Does anyone seriously want Cossa starting for this team? Like you gonna throw him out there last night against Philly with how Talbot kept us in that game? Last season everyone was going on about how the wings break goalies ffs
Yes, he needs to play, not be saved for the "perfect" time
@chip6954 fuck no! He's flourishing in GR. That's exactly where he should be for the remainder of this season. Let grand rapids push for the calder with him in the crease this year. This wings team is dead and should continue to tank. You bring up cossa as the backup to Talbot next year and ease him into the nhl game. He does not need to suffer behind this atrocious defense that Steve pieced together
I don't think Yzerman cares about winning right now.
Walman trade did set up the big signings, Lucas Raymond and Moritz Sieder
There were literally 3 or 4 moves that could’ve been made besides that one to clear cap.
@wyattbarnes9641 I don't like the trade either but I thinks it's unfair to say (as the podcasters did) that we didn't make any big signings off the back of Walman cap dump. Who would you have traded because I doubt anyone would have taken Petry/holl/Chiarot
@@wyattbarnes9641can I ask what else we could have done? Like genuinely curious. Cause like holl and chariot aren’t going anywhere. Sieder is here for his career edvinsson is in the NHL next year whether you like it or not. At the time anyway maatta wasn’t going anywhere
I was done after he traded walman and literally got nothing in return....this season is no surprise
It was a salary dump and we got edvinsson out of it. Plus probably sieder. Walman took up cap and it sounded like was also a locker room cancer. Plus he wasn’t great defensively.
Oh and we also got a goalie out of this trade as well cam Talbot who has been our lord and fucking savior so tell me again the Walman trade was bad please. Like I get it you liked him he did the griddy whoopty fucking do. MOVE ON! We weren’t able to move anyone else. You think someone wanted Holl and his contract or chariot who has a modified no move clause or petry. 🤣
@@DominicR-20Where did you hear that Walman was a locker room cancer?
lalonde should have been fired last year during either of the multigame losing streaks. petry, cane, tarasenko signings are questionable to say the least. walman and gostisbehere trades are equally questionable. if kids are the future of the wings, then it's time to play them.
the plan has always been to play "his" draft picks. the rest of his moves have been bad for sure. i'm guessing he wanted the solid bridge to his picks and he definitely has failed there.
This Valenti guy is a Goof!!! I'll never watch this trash show again lmao
I tried to defend the Yzerplan at first but I just can’t anymore. SY has made too many bad signings and questionable decisions, and hasn’t held his coach accountable for lack of leadership and failing to motivate the team. At least the prospect pool looks promising, but thats about the only good thing Yzerman has done during his time as Wings GM. At this point in the rebuild the Wings should be seeing results and not tanking, and that falls on him.
If Lalonde isn’t fired by year end, we will not make the playoffs this year.
Year end??? Should've been fired 10 games ago!!!
News flash Yzerman is going anywhere. Yzerman is a legend in Detroit. Support him or go cheer for Toronto losers
I can't even watch this Red Wing team..
Same, first time in my life I can't watch this sh*t team. Yzerman has done a bad job ad GM...he got too much credit for his time in Tampa Bay.
Your complaints are aimed at the wrong petson. Chris Illich is who you should be pointing the finger at. He is not letting SY run things the way he wants and Illich is letting him take the blame ! Shame on him for disrespecting the fans ; and the trust that his father built !
What would you do? You embrace the tank, cause you got nothing in the pipeline thats not a bottom 6er or a fringe top 6er and you cant trade most of these guys, just cause of how bad there contracts are. So tank on and get the face of the franchies, if you can even do that right and maybe suck one more year to get these contracts out of here and maybe guys like ASP, Kasper and Nate will all be hear.
There was a buried article last year or so on why walman was scratched for a couple games.
Had to do with his practice and numbers after a new
Video game came out like call of duty or fortnite or something
Seemed the article suggested he puts more into games then actually the game of hockey
Kenny you should be able to find it
Hockey news or something like ign
@bdad4173 I mean the guy gave ya results, look at guys like Phil Kessel, dudes got more accomplishments then Mcdavid and were complaing that Wall didnt treat hockey like a religion but kept these group of pylons over him and tried to trade for bum Trouba
Yup , worst thing we did was try to win a few yrs sooner which resulted in us drafted 8 &9 and missing out on guys like michkov leonard gauthier Etc... best thing to do is get a top 3 pick , trade players ASAP to “unintentionally tank” and use those assets for cozens and other players apparently available and call up tuomisto,Soderblom etc.. and see if they have any future here at all or let them go in the off season
This season is done , finishing 12th would be the absolute worst thing that can happen
@socialmediag5485 honestly gonna be pretty hard to trade some of these contracts. I said it last season we needed to just let the kids play but SY got impatient, I doubt there was any fire under his ass from Chris. This was all his impatients and desperation showing the past 2 years and for what, to be a fringe post season team with no long term
@@krimsonshadow94 I’m sure Chris convinced him to speed up the rebuild to get people to the games. As for moving players we have the advantage of adding chea contracts next few seasons . Eat up 50% of the likes of chiarot, tarasenko etc.. for another season or 2 I’m sure you’d find lot more takers
With danielson Cossa etc... coming up we can afford to do so
Yzerman should've been fired 10 games ago for not firing LaLonde. The Yzerman azz kissing and getting a pass on everything because of his playing days here should've been over 2 years ago. The 15 yr Yzerplan slow roll on everything and everybody is OVER...C'mon Detroit hockey fans see it for what it is. P.S. Nice call out Mike🤷🏻♂🤷🏻♂🤷🏻♂
Walmans numbers will not last . You guys are being too critical
Can OSU beat Tennessee in the cold? I guess we will find out.
Get fired
Debrincat, Tank and Comphere are solid signings. He can't skate for these guys. Name one person after last year though Kane was dead ? Thanks thought so. You guys are 🤡
Wallman stinks guys.
I did, didn't want to initially sign him, didn't want to resign him. He brings nothing they need, which is team defense, I don't care how few goals they score, look at the shot differential every night, they're getting obliterated, why, because they're small, they can't win a board battle in any zone, so why sign a guy who doesn't play on the boards, is small, and whonplays poke and hope defense, they would've been better off not signing him to begin with.
@@bradmaguire9611it’s the systems in place by lalonde defensive first on a team that is a bunch of small forwards isn’t gonna work. Play to the teams strengths which was and still can be offense
@@chip6954 do you watch hockey ? Grossly? 🤡
Cat has grossly underperformed, so has Copp, Kane has succumbed to time, and even Seider may have leveled off to a top 20 Dman
Great 13 minutes of more nonsense
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out
@ wow , good one
How so?