@@mondopatrick Honestly, I saw it coming a mile away considering he was in Sonic 2 the game, and it just made sense. Especially with the Master Emerald being a focus, it was obvious to me from the beginning. Still wasn't any less awesome though, I gotta say. They went off with it.
The reveal was so hype But hot take, I think the actual fight was pretty lame honestly. Like he just flys up, talks to Robotnik for a little bit, blocks the punch, and the real climax of the fight where he's destroying the robot from the inside really just looks awkward imo and the final kick is just anticlimactic. Idk, seeing Super Sonic was awesome, but I had more fun with the first movie's final fight and heck, even the Knuckles show's.
@ Yep, it’s been confirmed by both Izuka and Kishimoto that there will be more open zone games in the future. There’s also some unconfirmed leaks stating that it’s in early development and is aiming for a late 2026/early 2027 release.
Super Sonic is so insane in Frontiers, he throws wyvern around the island like a shit box split Knight in half hits the end so much he can barely see him, it's satisfying
In the boss fight with The End, specifically Final Horizon, Super Sonic at full power one shots The End’s physical body, and VAPORIZED Supreme, specifically the same Supreme amped by The End’s power. Frontiers put into perspective how stupid OP Sonic and Super Sonic ESPECIALLY is. It’s actually beyond stupidly insane.
What I really hate about this is going through the trouble of collecting the Chaos Emeralds by playing special stages only to not get the form itself in every stage. I remember being so excited after collecting all the Emeralds in Sonic Advance 3 only to be disappointed by the "reward"
And it's cooler too. Instead of it being Super Sonic but Shadow, Shadow gets freaking wings to fly around levels.... and DOESN'T EAT YOUR RINGS LIKE PACMAN!
While not as cool and him being invincible doesn't make a whole lot of sense, in function it works much better than Super in Gens. Though they had a functional 3D Super Sonic in Colors. This would be a decent way to implement it in the future if they won't do the Colors method.
@@JosephJohns-xi1qb It makes sense when you think about it. Shadow the Hedgehog naturally has chaos energy because of Black Doom's DNA, and when you combine that with his influence maxing out on Shadow with Doom Wing, and Shadow having one of the real Chaos Emeralds, all 3 ingredients are enough to make Doom Wing as powerful as a super form, with Shadow in his base form. And Super Shadow is basically just reskinned Super Sonic, who we see all the freaking time. Of course Doom Wings Shadow is going to be cooler with those red and black wings in Shadow's base form.
My interest in Super Sonic died ever since he was locked behind DLC. In fact my interest in the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise died down thanks to Sonic Forces mega Disappointment. However My interest in Super Sonic was revived thanks to the Titan Duels in Sonic Frontiers.
Honestly, the thing I hate about the Super forms the most as of recently is the lack of other characters transforming. It all started in Heroes when Tails and Knuckles didn’t really transform, and now, only Sonic, Shadow, and Silver can transform apparently. And then they had an opportunity to bring it back in Origins AND Superstars and they just didn’t. The closest we got was Super Trip, but as awesome that is, she’s likely to forever remain in Classic Purgatory, so tears. Mega tears
@@lx5323 good. They should keep it that way. They shouldn’t just give Super forms to everybody. It should be limited to certain characters. I don’t mind Knuckles going super tho
@@Abner-gu3ve I don’t think they should give Super forms to everybody, but if you already have someone like Tails going Super, you shouldn’t write that out. I’m not saying that Jet needs to go Super, I’m saying they shouldn’t limit going Super to male hedgehogs
I think the best version was ironicly in shadow generations doom wings (I know it's not technicly a super form but mecanicly it just is) and not only does it has a role in the story, but it's also really fun to use in the levels
i hope the doom wings become the standard for super sonic being playable in normal levels as a post game reward again (with a toggle for whether or not it should be available in the level with separate level rankings and timers for records for the toggle being on and off) and the unique routes its a pretty solid system for handling a super form without breaking the fun of trying to go for faster times
You beat me to it. 3DS Lost World lets you unlock Super Sonic without any red rings (you can access a special stage by beating any level with at least 50 rings, but have to beat 7 distinct stages with 50 rings to get all 7 special stages). If anything, it almost feels too easy to unlock Super Sonic, since you can just replay the same level until you beat it with 50 rings and beat its special stage, and then you unlock Super Sonic before the end of World 3. But yeah. He's very useful and noticeably speeds you up. Honestly, I think 3DS Lost World is underrated. I think if it just had a proper lava world like the Wii U version instead of just using the lava world for boss rematches, I'd be willing to overlook all my other criticisms as too minor to dwell on.
Forces - Frontiers made Super so overrated honestly. I wish we could've seen Hyper again. It really makes no sense to say ''too many emeralds'' and only one use one form for like 10 years straight, that's such a bullshit reason. In the same 10 years, the Master Emerald itself had the amount of relevancy as Tikal or even Marine had.
I seriously dont get the whole "Hyper is a different dimension" excuse, theres no good reason to not bring that form back, literally everyone's been asking for it back ever since the early 2000's
I kinda get why hyper isn’t used since it is an isolated form that feels tied to angel island and since most games don’t involve long periods of time in angel island, it wouldn’t make sense. Just like how super sonic 2 most likely won’t return since sonic wouldn’t have the cyber corruption. Honestly if people want the form, they can just mod it in. It’s not like super can’t do everything hyper can anyways
It's more-so that Hyper Forms are kind of redundant. In 3&K, they're the same as the Super Forms just with one added ability. They figure why should we bother bringing back Hyper Forms when the Super Forms can just be given the ability they were planning to add?
The Super Emeralds were a thing because they realized there would be too many chances to get the Chaos Emeralds. It was only a thing because 3&K were 2 games combined into 1. Another reason is it would invalidate Super Sonics involvement in not only the current story, but future stories. Super Sonic has stayed rather relevant in the franchise since its inception. Even though they aren’t forever relevant, the one off transformations are spectacular. In short, we don’t want irreversible power creep in the Sonic franchise. Dragon Ball is a prime example. Frieza got reintroduced and he was just as strong as Super Saiyan Blue Goku and Vegeta. Hyper Sonic would be the same thing. We don’t want that.
When I saw this show up in my recommendations, I started to think oh yeah this might be pretty obvious but then I watched and I just loved how you explain things. That makes perfect sense. To be honest there's a lot of the modern Sonic games I haven't played all the way through surprisingly. Some I have but in all of them at least the ones where supersonic isn't part of the story and you can unlock them to play in the levels, I never actually did. So this was good to know and I appreciate what you had to say here and I think you're completely right
In my eyes Super Sonic 2 crushed any hope of Hyper Sonic returning. It was the perfect set up, they were even on an island with even deeper roots to the emeralds than Angel Island, and even allowed a step above normal Super Sonic. Origins also had recently released at the time, which kept Hyper in it, so Hyper was fresh in everyone's mind. But instead of letting the Super Emeralds or Hyper Sonic return, they instead just gave Super Sonic teal eyes. If they weren't going to give us Hyper when the stage was basically made for him, I doubt they ever will (or at least in any foreseeable future).
@@mcsquid9110 even that is a lie They were even going to add him into Mania Plus there are the Super Emeralds The was just them pulling it out of their ass as a excuse honestly
You know what? I agree with a lot of this. And now... you've inspired me to tear apart the Frontiers version of Super Sonic because I REALLY don't like what they did with him there.
@EdgyQueen The whole thing feels like they nerfed Super Sonic hard just for the sake of plot. Like, the amount of effort he had to put in to take each Titan down really wasn't believable to me. He's literally using the unlimited power of the Chaos Emeralds. The way he behaves in the Final Horizon final boss is how he should have been for all of the other bosses.
@@Izak_Klark Except that the Titans are ALSO powered by the unlimited power of the Chaos Emeralds. The Titans are literally on Super Sonic's level, especially when you consider Sonic and co. are on the planet where the Chaos Emeralds came from.
Nearly every modern Sonic game’s design philosophy breaks down at the concept of Super Sonic and it’s why I hate automation and will always want and try to abolish automation as much as possible. In the classic games, Sonic was a character designed around the building and maintaining of your speed being the challenge of the game and the releasing of your speed in dynamic and progressively useful ways being the reward for skilful gameplay and replaying stages. Like going from first learning to ride a skateboard to becoming the next Tony Hawk and pulling off ridiculous stunts. Speed and invincibility power-ups are littered throughout every stage to give you advantages in different ways. Speed power-ups suddenly give you nearly uncontrollable speed without any changes to your jump height or the damage you take, making it difficult to use, think of the reaction-based and car-like boost gameplay in this instance. Invincibility power-ups meanwhile do what it says on the tin, and thus typically don’t prove incredibly useful. Super Sonic stands as the pinnacle reward for mastering the game by giving you not only the insane, car-like boost speed, but an increased jump and the invincibility needed to have fun while trying to control the character, only being held back by the consumption of rings. It’s like going from playing Skate 3 to Trackmania.
I don't understand why the developers didn’t buff Super Sonic ring depletion for both Classic and Modern for the remaster. It's a very simple change. Because of this, using Super Sonic feels more taxing than a reward. Especially for Classic. We should make it noticeable on Twitter to them so they can buff it in a future update.
Unironically, i didn't like modern Super sonic in generations at all precisely because of the speed, or rather the fact that Super sonic literally just skips the entire stage as he flies above everything completely eliminating any and all gameplay. Modern Super sonic in gens is pretty much press boost to win.
I really wish Frontiers would have let you use Super Sonic on the islands that you had completed during the story mode. I mean, they literally show all seven chaos emeralds on the map. Super Sonic was already a planned feature in SA1, we even have a voiceline for it. I don't remember why it was removed exactly, but it's a neat fun fact ig.
Super Sonic being DLC only in Forces (and Forces being just stupid in general when it comes to plot) really soured a lot of people’s tongues. I think they recognized that and knew they needed Super Sonic back to peak hype and give him back that cool factor he had lost as far back as Lost World (Colors is a toss up, it was the first time we got to use Super Sonic in 3D and in any normal level at that, so it was a big deal and he played REALLY well). At least he was unlockable in Lost World, but… god, Forces was BAD for Super Sonic’s reputation. I’m glad Frontiers exists, cause I loved the Titan fights and Super Sonic just OOZED complete and utter badass that I grew up with. Edit: yes, I am excusing how Super Sonic is used and his overall playstyle in Colors. I prefer it to Generations in execution alone, that’s for damn sure. Yes, Generations had the better idea, but I HATE how Modern Sonic basically loses all his rings in under 10 seconds just to boost. It’s not worth it, Super Sonic is simply not good in Generations because you don’t even get to have fun with him before he reverts. In terms of gameplay, Colors and Forces are better for the boost formula. How you get them is obviously a different story, Forces is disgustingly pathetic, and Colors can be hit or miss depending on what type of player you are.
So what's your opinion of Sonic's superform in Sonic Superstars; where, in my opinion, is a rather confusing Bait and Switch as, you gather them in special stages and can use them in the main stages, but the Final boss (Death egg Robot 2) doesn't even require it, while the Secret final boss that does (only unlocked by HAVING all seven emeralds, and thus, unlocking super sonic); appears completely out of left field as the story doesn't even elaborate what it is before you hit that point. Only Super Vague, super unhelpful art murals even point to it's existance, and it doesn't even fit plotwise.
I think its good in superstars cause its just like how it worked in the classic games and genuinely feels fun to use Superstars shouldnt have relied on RUclips videos and a manual to tell its story though
I just wanted to say with the story heavy games I wouldn’t call ‘‘em plot devices more so narrative devices as they serve bigger role to the character and overarching stories than just being a power up, especially when you relate them to their purpose and description of “turning thoughts into power, responding to needs and wants if the user, and making miracles with all seven.” Honestly this is biggest reason the introduction of super sonic 2 and cyber sonic in the final horizon dlc for frontiers suck to me because super sonic as concept just became nothing but a plot device in the most literal term with it being so disconnected from the actual story
In the ds version of Sonic colors and Sonic lost world, it handle Super better. Colors doesn't have Super in stages but has a secret boss with it. And Super in the ds version of lost world Super feel very fast compare to base Sonic and jump much higher
Yeah i REALLY liked what they did with the mother wisp in sonic colors ds, as far as i know team sonic racing canonized that version of the game so imo i think colors ds is more canon than the wii version
The next 3D not remaster sonic game will probably be Frontiers 2, and by that I mean there is a 99.9% chance that will happen. the super sonic boss fights were the most praised part of the game so the super sonic boss fights will definitely come back. And thanks to the Final Horizons update, Frontiers 2 will probably have a lot of playable characters, including probably Shadow, so we will probably also get at least 1 super Shadow boss fight, and maybe super silver if we're lucky, that would only happen if silver is playable, but there is a small chance
I honestly wish we can just get to see Hyper Sonic again, or Dark Sonic, since I think they should explore the dark side of Sonic more. (Yes, I'm aware of the existence of Darkspine.)
my love for super sonic died in the 2000s (i'm not kidding). after unleashed i was pretty bored of the form and wanted hyper sonic back. i still want hyper sonic
I knew it was gonna start with Sonic Colors and here’s where generational differences come in for a lot of fans. Because the way Super Sonic was handled like the classic games instead was a nice change of pace that people liked. But I feel you. Generations had the best concept. Let him be in the final boss as an epic traditional finale and then unlock him to play in stages but make it worth it. I forgive Lost World because it didn’t seem to need it at the end. Forces seemed like a story that coulda used it and everything else surrounding its implementation into stages is as you said… worst offender. Frontiers I think was trying to shake things up continuing where we left off with what Adventure started, having it be a finale boss form only having a finale boss for multiple islands, surprising fans. I think having Super Sonic not show up at the end of every game also makes it less predictable as long as they still have it appear at the end of the story pretty often here and there.
Super Sonic in frontiers felt like a nothing sandwich. Mainly because Super Sonic is the REWARD for the player which is not just plotlines. In the classic sonic games you're rewarded with Super Sonic for going the extra mile of finding the special stages instead of just going through the levels asap. And it still felt like that in later titles like Adventure 1 to Unleashed. They still felt like you were building up to Super Sonic and the payoff felt AMAZING.
Super Sonic in Colors was functional and actually an upgrade even if the game design didn't mesh perfectly. Generations just made it kinda not great. I also kinda liked wispless stages. Mostly.
Super Sonic was so cool because it was basically a "God Mode" that you had to earn. Sonic 2, 3, & Knuckles really made you feel invincible after you got that last Chaos Emerald, but it never felt broken because you earned it. Ever since Adventure and beyond locked Super Sonic behind final bosses and post-game content, Super Sonic felt more like a gimmick than a reward. You don't earn that power, it's just given to you because the story said so. The Frontiers TItan fights were the first time I felt that same overpowering awe for Super Sonic since the genesis days. Super Sonic needs to not be tied to plot progression anymore. Let us earn the right to be overpowered again.
I just wanna say that _Sonic & Knuckles_ had its cake and ate it. Playable Super Sonic and Super Knux, as well as the most epic climax in the series, the Doomsday Zone. Combine that with Sonic 3 and you're playing a DBZ game.
to be fair to sega they'd been trying to bring him back within the 2000s but the stars never seemed to align for them, in sonic adventure 1 there are cut voice lines from tikal telling the player how to activate super sonic in regular levels , in sonic 06 the " Rainbow Gem " was going to allow the player to transform but because sonic 06 was rushed in the actual game it's useless and i'm sure there's probably been other attempts in games from that era we don't even know about especially given how much he's used in side-games ( unlockable character in riders & zero gravity, that one dumbass tennis game, etc ) , I think sonic colours was probably just the first time they were able to get around to him in time.
ive played sonic adventure with super sonic mods before and it ends up breaking the stages automations so its not really as cut and dry as you think go play it for yourself and see
After playing Heroes for the 100'000th time to unlock Metal Overlord you still wanna play it again? In that scenario if I ever heard Seaside Hill it was a chore, glad in Gens and other iterations it's shorter and less obnoxious 😂❤
Personally, I hated how previous games always used Super Sonic just for the final boss. The fights prior to Frontiers all played the same and it just got boring. The fights were all spectacle and no substance, and he no longer became a reward since he's just tied to story progression. The 2010s games (outside of Colors DS and Generations) not having Super Sonic fights was a breath of fresh air (even if Lost World and Forces just reused the Colors final boss) and they made Super Sonic a reward again outside of Forces. Frontiers made Super Sonic fights actually fun again, but I don't want that to be how every Sonic game handles Super Sonic to avoid it getting stale.
I've never played as Super Sonic in any of the games, but you gotta admit, the scene where he goes super in the second movie is a masterpiece
Wonderful video so far btw ❤
Absolutely, i remember when i saw the movie i didnt even know he was gonna be in so it was an MCU level suprise lol
@@mondopatrick I hope it happens again in the third movie
@@mondopatrick Honestly, I saw it coming a mile away considering he was in Sonic 2 the game, and it just made sense. Especially with the Master Emerald being a focus, it was obvious to me from the beginning. Still wasn't any less awesome though, I gotta say. They went off with it.
The reveal was so hype
But hot take, I think the actual fight was pretty lame honestly. Like he just flys up, talks to Robotnik for a little bit, blocks the punch, and the real climax of the fight where he's destroying the robot from the inside really just looks awkward imo and the final kick is just anticlimactic. Idk, seeing Super Sonic was awesome, but I had more fun with the first movie's final fight and heck, even the Knuckles show's.
Frontiers’ titan fights were so hype. Can’t wait to see how they up the anti in the sequel.
We getting a sequel?
@ Yep, it’s been confirmed by both Izuka and Kishimoto that there will be more open zone games in the future. There’s also some unconfirmed leaks stating that it’s in early development and is aiming for a late 2026/early 2027 release.
@@Peter-Man08 so there's no sequel to frontiers itself, just later games likely using inspiration from Frontiers gameplay
The shadow boss fights in generations were equally superb that moment where he does chaos control and his eyes turn red was sos F***ing hype
@ Yeah, Shadow Generations had some amazing boss fights as well.
Frontiers made me feel hype that I haven’t felt for Super Sonic in years. And I absolutely enjoyed playing as him
Super Sonic is so insane in Frontiers, he throws wyvern around the island like a shit box split Knight in half hits the end so much he can barely see him, it's satisfying
In the boss fight with The End, specifically Final Horizon, Super Sonic at full power one shots The End’s physical body, and VAPORIZED Supreme, specifically the same Supreme amped by The End’s power.
Frontiers put into perspective how stupid OP Sonic and Super Sonic ESPECIALLY is. It’s actually beyond stupidly insane.
Super Sonic is so busted that he so long gay Bowser’s Wyvern with no trouble
What I really hate about this is going through the trouble of collecting the Chaos Emeralds by playing special stages only to not get the form itself in every stage. I remember being so excited after collecting all the Emeralds in Sonic Advance 3 only to be disappointed by the "reward"
Tho Shadow doesn't go super in Shadow Gens, Doom Wing is basically a super form in that game and I kinda like how it works.
And it's cooler too. Instead of it being Super Sonic but Shadow, Shadow gets freaking wings to fly around levels.... and DOESN'T EAT YOUR RINGS LIKE PACMAN!
@@Sonario648 to each their own but I think its dumb lol
They should make a skin where he turns into super shadow when he uses the doom wings
While not as cool and him being invincible doesn't make a whole lot of sense, in function it works much better than Super in Gens. Though they had a functional 3D Super Sonic in Colors. This would be a decent way to implement it in the future if they won't do the Colors method.
@@JosephJohns-xi1qb It makes sense when you think about it. Shadow the Hedgehog naturally has chaos energy because of Black Doom's DNA, and when you combine that with his influence maxing out on Shadow with Doom Wing, and Shadow having one of the real Chaos Emeralds, all 3 ingredients are enough to make Doom Wing as powerful as a super form, with Shadow in his base form.
And Super Shadow is basically just reskinned Super Sonic, who we see all the freaking time. Of course Doom Wings Shadow is going to be cooler with those red and black wings in Shadow's base form.
My interest in Super Sonic died ever since he was locked behind DLC. In fact my interest in the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise died down thanks to Sonic Forces mega Disappointment. However My interest in Super Sonic was revived thanks to the Titan Duels in Sonic Frontiers.
sounds accurate
What do you mean “locked” the dlc was completely free
@@Drumming_Dragon No it wasn’t at least from my experience it costed like 2 dollars.
@@Drumming_Dragon It was released for two dollars, then the community backlashed Sega and Sonic Team into oblivion until they made it free.
Honestly, the thing I hate about the Super forms the most as of recently is the lack of other characters transforming. It all started in Heroes when Tails and Knuckles didn’t really transform, and now, only Sonic, Shadow, and Silver can transform apparently.
And then they had an opportunity to bring it back in Origins AND Superstars and they just didn’t. The closest we got was Super Trip, but as awesome that is, she’s likely to forever remain in Classic Purgatory, so tears. Mega tears
Theres at least Burning Blaze too, but she hasnt been able to use that since Rush Adventure
@@ThanatosPepper I mean, at least she was in IDW that one time
"an opportunity to bring it back" makes it sound like they wanted to XD
@@lx5323 good. They should keep it that way. They shouldn’t just give Super forms to everybody. It should be limited to certain characters. I don’t mind Knuckles going super tho
@@Abner-gu3ve I don’t think they should give Super forms to everybody, but if you already have someone like Tails going Super, you shouldn’t write that out. I’m not saying that Jet needs to go Super, I’m saying they shouldn’t limit going Super to male hedgehogs
This is why frontiers is here !
I think the best version was ironicly in shadow generations doom wings (I know it's not technicly a super form but mecanicly it just is) and not only does it has a role in the story, but it's also really fun to use in the levels
i hope the doom wings become the standard for super sonic being playable in normal levels as a post game reward again (with a toggle for whether or not it should be available in the level with separate level rankings and timers for records for the toggle being on and off) and the unique routes
its a pretty solid system for handling a super form without breaking the fun of trying to go for faster times
Just wanted to say that in the 3DS version of Lost World, Super Sonic is absolutely worth it and broken as he should.
It made the horrible later 2D levels more bearable
You beat me to it. 3DS Lost World lets you unlock Super Sonic without any red rings (you can access a special stage by beating any level with at least 50 rings, but have to beat 7 distinct stages with 50 rings to get all 7 special stages). If anything, it almost feels too easy to unlock Super Sonic, since you can just replay the same level until you beat it with 50 rings and beat its special stage, and then you unlock Super Sonic before the end of World 3. But yeah. He's very useful and noticeably speeds you up.
Honestly, I think 3DS Lost World is underrated. I think if it just had a proper lava world like the Wii U version instead of just using the lava world for boss rematches, I'd be willing to overlook all my other criticisms as too minor to dwell on.
Forces - Frontiers made Super so overrated honestly.
I wish we could've seen Hyper again. It really makes no sense to say ''too many emeralds'' and only one use one form for like 10 years straight, that's such a bullshit reason. In the same 10 years, the Master Emerald itself had the amount of relevancy as Tikal or even Marine had.
I seriously dont get the whole "Hyper is a different dimension" excuse, theres no good reason to not bring that form back, literally everyone's been asking for it back ever since the early 2000's
I kinda get why hyper isn’t used since it is an isolated form that feels tied to angel island and since most games don’t involve long periods of time in angel island, it wouldn’t make sense. Just like how super sonic 2 most likely won’t return since sonic wouldn’t have the cyber corruption. Honestly if people want the form, they can just mod it in. It’s not like super can’t do everything hyper can anyways
It's more-so that Hyper Forms are kind of redundant. In 3&K, they're the same as the Super Forms just with one added ability. They figure why should we bother bringing back Hyper Forms when the Super Forms can just be given the ability they were planning to add?
Poor management, no teamwork.
The Super Emeralds were a thing because they realized there would be too many chances to get the Chaos Emeralds. It was only a thing because 3&K were 2 games combined into 1. Another reason is it would invalidate Super Sonics involvement in not only the current story, but future stories. Super Sonic has stayed rather relevant in the franchise since its inception. Even though they aren’t forever relevant, the one off transformations are spectacular.
In short, we don’t want irreversible power creep in the Sonic franchise. Dragon Ball is a prime example. Frieza got reintroduced and he was just as strong as Super Saiyan Blue Goku and Vegeta. Hyper Sonic would be the same thing. We don’t want that.
When I saw this show up in my recommendations, I started to think oh yeah this might be pretty obvious but then I watched and I just loved how you explain things. That makes perfect sense. To be honest there's a lot of the modern Sonic games I haven't played all the way through surprisingly. Some I have but in all of them at least the ones where supersonic isn't part of the story and you can unlock them to play in the levels, I never actually did. So this was good to know and I appreciate what you had to say here and I think you're completely right
Thanks! I appreciate this comment
0:39 Um, why did you put Sonic 4 and Mania here? Those games came out in the 2010s, not the 90s.
idk i just kinda felt like it, feels good seeing em all next to eachother
Eh, the Super Sonic transformation works the same way across all of those games, so there isn't really a problem.
My only hate towards him is that hes been used for so long my love for him has died down a lot these past few years
I agree with you wholeheartedly about most the things you said, but Super Sonic in Sonic Frontiers made it rewarding to turn Super Sonic.
Now probably a good time to bring in Hyper Sonic.
What would change if they did?
apparently hyper sonic isnt canon
In my eyes Super Sonic 2 crushed any hope of Hyper Sonic returning.
It was the perfect set up, they were even on an island with even deeper roots to the emeralds than Angel Island, and even allowed a step above normal Super Sonic. Origins also had recently released at the time, which kept Hyper in it, so Hyper was fresh in everyone's mind. But instead of letting the Super Emeralds or Hyper Sonic return, they instead just gave Super Sonic teal eyes. If they weren't going to give us Hyper when the stage was basically made for him, I doubt they ever will (or at least in any foreseeable future).
@@ShaleLee the name super sonic 2 just makes me laugh lol
@@mcsquid9110 even that is a lie
They were even going to add him into Mania
Plus there are the Super Emeralds
The was just them pulling it out of their ass as a excuse honestly
You know what? I agree with a lot of this. And now... you've inspired me to tear apart the Frontiers version of Super Sonic because I REALLY don't like what they did with him there.
Why?
@EdgyQueen The whole thing feels like they nerfed Super Sonic hard just for the sake of plot. Like, the amount of effort he had to put in to take each Titan down really wasn't believable to me. He's literally using the unlimited power of the Chaos Emeralds. The way he behaves in the Final Horizon final boss is how he should have been for all of the other bosses.
@@Izak_Klark Except that the Titans are ALSO powered by the unlimited power of the Chaos Emeralds. The Titans are literally on Super Sonic's level, especially when you consider Sonic and co. are on the planet where the Chaos Emeralds came from.
Nearly every modern Sonic game’s design philosophy breaks down at the concept of Super Sonic and it’s why I hate automation and will always want and try to abolish automation as much as possible.
In the classic games, Sonic was a character designed around the building and maintaining of your speed being the challenge of the game and the releasing of your speed in dynamic and progressively useful ways being the reward for skilful gameplay and replaying stages. Like going from first learning to ride a skateboard to becoming the next Tony Hawk and pulling off ridiculous stunts.
Speed and invincibility power-ups are littered throughout every stage to give you advantages in different ways. Speed power-ups suddenly give you nearly uncontrollable speed without any changes to your jump height or the damage you take, making it difficult to use, think of the reaction-based and car-like boost gameplay in this instance. Invincibility power-ups meanwhile do what it says on the tin, and thus typically don’t prove incredibly useful.
Super Sonic stands as the pinnacle reward for mastering the game by giving you not only the insane, car-like boost speed, but an increased jump and the invincibility needed to have fun while trying to control the character, only being held back by the consumption of rings. It’s like going from playing Skate 3 to Trackmania.
I don't understand why the developers didn’t buff Super Sonic ring depletion for both Classic and Modern for the remaster. It's a very simple change. Because of this, using Super Sonic feels more taxing than a reward. Especially for Classic. We should make it noticeable on Twitter to them so they can buff it in a future update.
Unironically, i didn't like modern Super sonic in generations at all precisely because of the speed, or rather the fact that Super sonic literally just skips the entire stage as he flies above everything completely eliminating any and all gameplay. Modern Super sonic in gens is pretty much press boost to win.
I really think super sonic is best with the spindash formula
I really wish Frontiers would have let you use Super Sonic on the islands that you had completed during the story mode. I mean, they literally show all seven chaos emeralds on the map.
Super Sonic was already a planned feature in SA1, we even have a voiceline for it. I don't remember why it was removed exactly, but it's a neat fun fact ig.
i get what you're saying but there's a mod for that
Super Sonic being DLC only in Forces (and Forces being just stupid in general when it comes to plot) really soured a lot of people’s tongues. I think they recognized that and knew they needed Super Sonic back to peak hype and give him back that cool factor he had lost as far back as Lost World (Colors is a toss up, it was the first time we got to use Super Sonic in 3D and in any normal level at that, so it was a big deal and he played REALLY well). At least he was unlockable in Lost World, but… god, Forces was BAD for Super Sonic’s reputation. I’m glad Frontiers exists, cause I loved the Titan fights and Super Sonic just OOZED complete and utter badass that I grew up with.
Edit: yes, I am excusing how Super Sonic is used and his overall playstyle in Colors. I prefer it to Generations in execution alone, that’s for damn sure. Yes, Generations had the better idea, but I HATE how Modern Sonic basically loses all his rings in under 10 seconds just to boost. It’s not worth it, Super Sonic is simply not good in Generations because you don’t even get to have fun with him before he reverts. In terms of gameplay, Colors and Forces are better for the boost formula. How you get them is obviously a different story, Forces is disgustingly pathetic, and Colors can be hit or miss depending on what type of player you are.
Super Sonic is like this: Is in the story, its fun. Isn't in the story, why are you even here?
So what's your opinion of Sonic's superform in Sonic Superstars; where, in my opinion, is a rather confusing Bait and Switch as, you gather them in special stages and can use them in the main stages, but the Final boss (Death egg Robot 2) doesn't even require it, while the Secret final boss that does (only unlocked by HAVING all seven emeralds, and thus, unlocking super sonic); appears completely out of left field as the story doesn't even elaborate what it is before you hit that point. Only Super Vague, super unhelpful art murals even point to it's existance, and it doesn't even fit plotwise.
I think its good in superstars cause its just like how it worked in the classic games and genuinely feels fun to use
Superstars shouldnt have relied on RUclips videos and a manual to tell its story though
I just wanted to say with the story heavy games I wouldn’t call ‘‘em plot devices more so narrative devices as they serve bigger role to the character and overarching stories than just being a power up, especially when you relate them to their purpose and description of “turning thoughts into power, responding to needs and wants if the user, and making miracles with all seven.” Honestly this is biggest reason the introduction of super sonic 2 and cyber sonic in the final horizon dlc for frontiers suck to me because super sonic as concept just became nothing but a plot device in the most literal term with it being so disconnected from the actual story
Fingers crossed we get a form past super soon. I know it sounds like DragonBall Z but still.
I mean we did with starfall sonic and cyber sonic
In the ds version of Sonic colors and Sonic lost world, it handle Super better. Colors doesn't have Super in stages but has a secret boss with it. And Super in the ds version of lost world Super feel very fast compare to base Sonic and jump much higher
Yeah i REALLY liked what they did with the mother wisp in sonic colors ds, as far as i know team sonic racing canonized that version of the game so imo i think colors ds is more canon than the wii version
The next 3D not remaster sonic game will probably be Frontiers 2, and by that I mean there is a 99.9% chance that will happen.
the super sonic boss fights were the most praised part of the game so the super sonic boss fights will definitely come back.
And thanks to the Final Horizons update, Frontiers 2 will probably have a lot of playable characters, including probably Shadow, so we will probably also get at least 1 super Shadow boss fight, and maybe super silver if we're lucky, that would only happen if silver is playable, but there is a small chance
I honestly wish we can just get to see Hyper Sonic again, or Dark Sonic, since I think they should explore the dark side of Sonic more. (Yes, I'm aware of the existence of Darkspine.)
we need a new transformation he can use, i do not care bout no damn power creep
thats why im happy frontiers had that cyber sonic thing in the update 3 dlc story
i don't get why people care about power creep
Metal sonic vs Super Sonic would be epic
Another one who has a Downfall... Is Tails
tails had a glowup after frontier. hes no longer a useless coward who is dependent on sonic
@@badgirldidntdonothin Yeah!... In Frontiers. In Force he is the "Sonic save me"
Very true, and just like super sonic, frontiers saved face
& Knuckles
@@BartholomewHenryBarryAllen hey! In frontiers he actually do something
my love for super sonic died in the 2000s (i'm not kidding). after unleashed i was pretty bored of the form and wanted hyper sonic back. i still want hyper sonic
cough ciugh.frontiers
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I knew it was gonna start with Sonic Colors and here’s where generational differences come in for a lot of fans.
Because the way Super Sonic was handled like the classic games instead was a nice change of pace that people liked.
But I feel you.
Generations had the best concept. Let him be in the final boss as an epic traditional finale and then unlock him to play in stages but make it worth it.
I forgive Lost World because it didn’t seem to need it at the end.
Forces seemed like a story that coulda used it and everything else surrounding its implementation into stages is as you said… worst offender.
Frontiers I think was trying to shake things up continuing where we left off with what Adventure started, having it be a finale boss form only having a finale boss for multiple islands, surprising fans.
I think having Super Sonic not show up at the end of every game also makes it less predictable as long as they still have it appear at the end of the story pretty often here and there.
I think he's overused. I want to see hyper or a new form. Darkspine was so cool. Also I want super Knuckles and super Tails.
I really wish we could see darkspine again
Super Sonic in frontiers felt like a nothing sandwich. Mainly because Super Sonic is the REWARD for the player which is not just plotlines.
In the classic sonic games you're rewarded with Super Sonic for going the extra mile of finding the special stages instead of just going through the levels asap.
And it still felt like that in later titles like Adventure 1 to Unleashed. They still felt like you were building up to Super Sonic and the payoff felt AMAZING.
i guess i get what you mean, in frontiers it was a bit formulaic and repetitive but still would take that over whatever colors-forces was tryna do
Super Sonic in Colors was functional and actually an upgrade even if the game design didn't mesh perfectly. Generations just made it kinda not great. I also kinda liked wispless stages. Mostly.
Super Sonic was so cool because it was basically a "God Mode" that you had to earn. Sonic 2, 3, & Knuckles really made you feel invincible after you got that last Chaos Emerald, but it never felt broken because you earned it.
Ever since Adventure and beyond locked Super Sonic behind final bosses and post-game content, Super Sonic felt more like a gimmick than a reward. You don't earn that power, it's just given to you because the story said so. The Frontiers TItan fights were the first time I felt that same overpowering awe for Super Sonic since the genesis days. Super Sonic needs to not be tied to plot progression anymore. Let us earn the right to be overpowered again.
Sonic generations should have utilized the time stones. It just makes too much sense
I just wanna say that _Sonic & Knuckles_ had its cake and ate it. Playable Super Sonic and Super Knux, as well as the most epic climax in the series, the Doomsday Zone. Combine that with Sonic 3 and you're playing a DBZ game.
to be fair to sega they'd been trying to bring him back within the 2000s but the stars never seemed to align for them, in sonic adventure 1 there are cut voice lines from tikal telling the player how to activate super sonic in regular levels , in sonic 06 the " Rainbow Gem " was going to allow the player to transform but because sonic 06 was rushed in the actual game it's useless and i'm sure there's probably been other attempts in games from that era we don't even know about especially given how much he's used in side-games ( unlockable character in riders & zero gravity, that one dumbass tennis game, etc ) , I think sonic colours was probably just the first time they were able to get around to him in time.
its a shame cause he would have worked well in the adventure games
Am I the only one who feels like you *could* play as Super Sonic in Sonic Heroes if you A-Ranked every stage?
Unfortunately no you just get an expert mode but that wouldve been awesome
Next video : super saiyans downfall.
hahaha
Another exposing that was necessary
Based and eggpilled
Lmao
ive played sonic adventure with super sonic mods before and it ends up breaking the stages automations so its not really as cut and dry as you think go play it for yourself and see
After playing Heroes for the 100'000th time to unlock Metal Overlord you still wanna play it again? In that scenario if I ever heard Seaside Hill it was a chore, glad in Gens and other iterations it's shorter and less obnoxious 😂❤
Its ain't bad, it is overused and just needs a break!
which is why i think we need hyper sonic back
Super Sonic is always hype
I really liked super sonic in unleashed gameplay and cutscene.
0:39 sonic 4 and mania ???
W vid
Nice video, anyway I’m the 51st like so let’s go to that Area 51!
Why is 2021 included? Forces came out in 2017.
Cause im counting Colors Ultimate for no real reason
@@mondopatrick Oh, that makes sense
But what about the boost?
Thats a good ideaa
True
0:08 Nah, Sonic since they tried “Serious” They fell off
Anyways, Go Play Metal Gear Solid Snake Eater or Start with one
I bet you were one of the niggas who unironically thought sonic colors was funny
What a stupid thing to say .
Personally, I hated how previous games always used Super Sonic just for the final boss. The fights prior to Frontiers all played the same and it just got boring. The fights were all spectacle and no substance, and he no longer became a reward since he's just tied to story progression. The 2010s games (outside of Colors DS and Generations) not having Super Sonic fights was a breath of fresh air (even if Lost World and Forces just reused the Colors final boss) and they made Super Sonic a reward again outside of Forces. Frontiers made Super Sonic fights actually fun again, but I don't want that to be how every Sonic game handles Super Sonic to avoid it getting stale.