I think the fact this etching is on the ground is relevant. If you depict something it would likely be on a cave wall. If you are sharpening antler, processing meat or whatever than you'd likely be sitting down on the floor......
I actually agree. There is no need for art if you're conscious at the most basic level possible for a homoerectus. A blessing.. given the circumstances they lived in. Imagine being human in those times.
I can think of lots of practical purposes for that etching besides being symbolic. I also think it could be incidental to some other activity like butchering meat or sharpening/dulling tools
@@christopherellis2663 bone or wood can be sharpened by rubbing them against stone. Rubbing flint against a stone to dull sharp edges can be useful as part of some flint knapping techniques. Even modern flint knappers do this.
Dont think so. The intersections are like weaving, over and under, not just slashes. There are other pieces of Neanderthal markings elsewhere - also rectilinear - squares and rectangles and lines coming out. That would suggest a shared culture, not just random individual actions.
That was not art, it was simply an neanderthal sitting there and was bored, making the scratches out of boredom, or alternatively, perhaps he was nervous, had an appointment at the dentist and knew he had to pull a teeth, and was scratching to occupy his mind, pretty sure his mother was pretty annoyed when she saw those nasty scratches in her beautiful cave
Don't forget that "modern" humans have persistent Neanderthal genes. Meaning they were more than "kissing cousins." Meaning you never really leave your intimate cousins that far behind, suggesting they're not lost all that much if you get what I mean. The sad truth is that a Neanderthal artist was much better at drawing criss-crossing lines than I am. Therefore, I see it as art.
Modern humans nail a banana to a wall and call it art. Who are we to make a judgment on whether this is or is not art when we lack the capacity to understand the reasoning and thought process behind it. Mere conjecture at this point.
It sounds excellent to travel from cave to cave with your family living off the land. I mean, sure there are modern luxuries I would miss but put a TV on the cave wall, give me a lifetime supply of antibiotics and I'm good.
Did Neanderthals make art? Yes... did they start the trend? No.... someone 3 million years ago did that. And was it the first? No! But it’s the oldest we’ve found.
It’s wasn’t art then but it’s art now. But the secret is .... it’s words. Ice, challenge, ice challenge, gift, spear, death, water.. it’s directions. :) more to the point it tells you where to go and how to get there. It’s got warnings, etc, just missing Siri. But seriously, it’s like when we draw instructions to people on how to get somewhere... same as that. It’s also describing the terrain above , on the hill. Going to check.
I think that's a really good idea of what it could have been. Thanks for sharing your thoughts! (I wonder if the scientists studying this considered that possibility..)
Had they considered the possibility that that surface might've been a butchering stone and the markings might've been left by stone knives and other tools used in the process of cutting and slicing meat (and vegetables as well)?
Neanderthal cutting board! Comes with this handy antler sharpener! Just $19.99. Limited time offer. Get your now while supplies last! Sorry, I couldn't resist. I love ancient history, or prehistory as it were.
The last part is so dramatic, together with the music. :D Brings tear to eyes although there is nothing sad in what they are saying.
Agreed!
My ancestors. My great grandparents. I love you. 🙌
@Mac mcskullface my Ancestors 😎💪🏼☝🏻 genetics really are interested. They are living on.
Amen to that, our ancestors were the real OG’s!! Great grandparents are angels especially if there still with us.. Cherish them folks☺️ God bless
@Mac mcskullface literally how wouldn't a Neanderthal be a direct ancestor of ours if it makes up a percentage of our DNA
@Mac mcskullface it's still your ancestor you troglodyte. That's how having an ancestor works
@Mac mcskullface But in some time, a Neanderthar is your grand grand ... grand (mama or papa)
I think the fact this etching is on the ground is relevant. If you depict something it would likely be on a cave wall. If you are sharpening antler, processing meat or whatever than you'd likely be sitting down on the floor......
That's how we think, but they might have thought it was good on a rock surface.
I actually agree. There is no need for art if you're conscious at the most basic level possible for a homoerectus. A blessing.. given the circumstances they lived in. Imagine being human in those times.
I can think of lots of practical purposes for that etching besides being symbolic. I also think it could be incidental to some other activity like butchering meat or sharpening/dulling tools
Not how to put an edge on flint.
Or much else
@@christopherellis2663 bone or wood can be sharpened by rubbing them against stone. Rubbing flint against a stone to dull sharp edges can be useful as part of some flint knapping techniques. Even modern flint knappers do this.
Dont think so. The intersections are like weaving, over and under, not just slashes. There are other pieces of Neanderthal markings elsewhere - also rectilinear - squares and rectangles and lines coming out. That would suggest a shared culture, not just random individual actions.
I think it’s some type of math.
Theory of relativity maybe
looks like the lines on the palm of my hand ✋️
i know i'm late to this party.... Neanderthals had campfires?!
That was not art, it was simply an neanderthal sitting there and was bored, making the scratches out of boredom, or alternatively, perhaps he was nervous, had an appointment at the dentist and knew he had to pull a teeth, and was scratching to occupy his mind, pretty sure his mother was pretty annoyed when she saw those nasty scratches in her beautiful cave
The # could be a sign.
Damn right they were human and they wasn't disconnected like us
Don't forget that "modern" humans have persistent Neanderthal genes. Meaning they were more than "kissing cousins." Meaning you never really leave your intimate cousins that far behind, suggesting they're not lost all that much if you get what I mean. The sad truth is that a Neanderthal artist was much better at drawing criss-crossing lines than I am. Therefore, I see it as art.
Bro was like f it I’m bored
Modern humans nail a banana to a wall and call it art. Who are we to make a judgment on whether this is or is not art when we lack the capacity to understand the reasoning and thought process behind it. Mere conjecture at this point.
It sounds excellent to travel from cave to cave with your family living off the land. I mean, sure there are modern luxuries I would miss but put a TV on the cave wall, give me a lifetime supply of antibiotics and I'm good.
It looks like weaving.
Did Neanderthals make art? Yes... did they start the trend? No.... someone 3 million years ago did that. And was it the first? No! But it’s the oldest we’ve found.
It’s wasn’t art then but it’s art now. But the secret is .... it’s words. Ice, challenge, ice challenge, gift, spear, death, water.. it’s directions. :) more to the point it tells you where to go and how to get there. It’s got warnings, etc, just missing Siri. But seriously, it’s like when we draw instructions to people on how to get somewhere... same as that. It’s also describing the terrain above , on the hill. Going to check.
This looks like a weaving pattern.Over and under each other.You can see it best on the rock..not the drawing.
I think that's a really good idea of what it could have been. Thanks for sharing your thoughts! (I wonder if the scientists studying this considered that possibility..)
I want to go back
It could be a animal trap or a lookoutplatform. How to do it.
My grandmothers were Neanderthal princesses
Why cant it be a map?
Had they considered the possibility that that surface might've been a butchering stone and the markings might've been left by stone knives and other tools used in the process of cutting and slicing meat (and vegetables as well)?
Why would you cut vegetables in such a deliberate pattern?
Of course they did a style of art as well x ray style can be found all over the world 🌎.
it is # Neanderthal. clear to me.
Neanderthal cutting board! Comes with this handy antler sharpener! Just $19.99. Limited time offer. Get your now while supplies last!
Sorry, I couldn't resist. I love ancient history, or prehistory as it were.
Everything comes out of ennui! May be.
I do something like this when I'm Doodle
ling. And looking for inspirational. AND my dad did the same thing...
So are Neanderthals a different species?
Weaving instructions!
Elementary and tic tac toe or beginner’s chess? At any rate, some kind of game board for the long days?
Potrebbero essere dei segni casuali provocati da altri lavori, come la concia delle pelli.
Ladies and gentlemen we found Neanderthal art and it’s really really bad.
Not art. Meat tenderising rock. Food preparation area at the back of cave away from scavengers, hence the tool....in my uneducated opinion.
maybe its a form of writing looks somewhat like Chinese writing
Not convinced at all. There w0uld be much more evidence
### 🇬🇮
Hell no
04:19
04:14
লোল 🤣
sapiens is'cheap'....neandi was 'true...
Political graffiti is my theory 😊