Remember that, when he called Mentor Hu that second time during the final hallway scene, it sounded like he called her incredibly concerned about something, and her response was "oh, no, that's normal, also this can take up to seven days in extreme cases, have faith in Mei Shin and don't unlock the bathroom door." Remember that, so many times when you see a calendar in the game, six days are x'd out (to represent those days already passed by), and the seventh day is circled. Realize that when the TV showing the competition started skipping on Mei Shin's (failed) score, it kept repeating/skipping on 88 (八十八 bāshíbā) in an increasingly intense way. And that Mei Shin calls her father daddy (爸爸 bàba). And that he was likely hearing her yelling for him. Remember that, when Mentor Hu told him to ignore everything he heard in the place where she couldn't reach him, knowing that Mentor Hu was leading him astray, he wound up ignoring two things: One, the other version of himself, who was telling him to go save his daughter by opening the bathroom door, and saying that the flower (Mei Shin) had collapsed under its own weight (all their expectations on her) because she was just a child after all. Part of him knew the truth and had doubts about what he was doing even at the time. And two, a room where a bunch of Mei Shins were pleading with him to please let her out and asking why he was ignoring her, telling him she loved him and that she just wanted him to play with her. Another thing he likely was hearing from the bathroom, as he prayed and ignored her. In that part, we're hearing her as she's desperately begging to be let out of the bathroom. Realize that a small closed room full of a wine that has a *very* high alcohol content is very likely to give a small girl alcohol poisoning, even if she's not actually submersed in it the whole time. (And she did say she trusted her daddy, and trusted Mentor Hu because he did, and was willing to do what they asked to get well.) Especially if this is a small girl who is prone to having panic attacks, hyperventilating, and even passing out... All of which might happen if her father leaves her locked in the bathroom and ignores her pleading. That second phone call to Mentor Hu, he was probably worried because Mei Shin was begging to be let out while she was dying, and we actually heard those very moments in the game. When he opened the door on the seventh day, it was too late, and very possibly much too late.
i also noticed a couple hints at drowning and there was one scene that looked like he was drowning in red liquid? which may have foreshadowed a possible death of the daughter in the wine bath
For those wondering: Mei Shin died. She was locked in the bathroom and left in a bathtub full of alcohol (rice wine) for 6 days because her father followed the mentor's advice (which was given over a phone call in episode with the bloody bathroom). In the end, the father is looking into a static television in a dark room, stiffly, because he is also dead. This scene, in addition to the previous scene (when he last encounters his daughter), indicates that he too has passed onto the afterlife and is now reunited with his daughter. Hope this helps.
@@BloodyEngland2 Nah, he killed himself. Other people in the comment section have been saying that he killing himself, probably because he was depressed that he basically killed his own child. Maybe I'm wrong on that part, but I do know that he killed himself
@Alfheim's Aurora Jolteon No, he's not like...dead dead. Just picture it like that's his ghost, his spirit body that we start playing in the beginning of the video. He's not PHYSICALLY dead in the beginning (well, that's what I'm thinking), just mentally/spiritually...
@Alfheim's Aurora Jolteon When you die, rigor mortis sets in and you become extremely stiff. While that does take a couple hours to set in, muscles (with the help of the nervous system) remain active for while after death.
还愿 (Title of this game) originally means the act of fulfilling a vow. In taoism/buddhism, you have to repay for whatever you get through prayer. Usually that means performing good deeds and more charitable acts, or simply going vegetarian. But in this game we study the goddess Cigu Guanyin that the characters here worship: Cigu doesn't actually exist in the religion but Zigu does. It originates from ancient China where She, a known beauty, was taken in as a concubine but was killed by the main wife due to jealousy. She died in the lavatory hence gaining the name of Lavatory Deity. In the game, we find that Mei Shin ultimately died in the bathroom as well. And that Cigu Guanyin might not be the good deity we thought it was. The dad shows in his trip to the underworld that he is willing to sacrifice enough (His tongue, his eyes, his blood) to repay for his daughter's health. That's how devoted he is. But what about his own pride to send her for proper treatment? In the storybook that we read, we can water the tulips with blood but they won't last long; They can't handle their own weight unless we nurture it with love. It was implied that Mei Shin got well the first time after the father started spending time to fold tulips with her but he chose to believe it was his faith that cured her, neglecting her for his religion and letting her fall into sickness again. Towards the end in the last line of the song that Mei Shin sings, it shows it actually meant 还(hai)愿 which means still willing, in "Are you still willing (to be my father)?" The daughter forgave her father and is still willing to be her daughter again. One reason why this game resonates so strongly with the taiwanese public is because religious scams like this and people like mentor heuh still exist in modern day taiwan and in this religion. Societies that recruit blind followers on the basis of faith, often requiring monthly contributions that don't come in small amounts. They claim to heal without needing medical treatment, depriving believers of the treatment they really need, fix behavioural issues for children and fix broken relationships amongst other things. In the recording that the father finds in Mentor Heuh's house, all her previous clients talk about their treatment. One grandmother praying for her grandson after failing his exams for two years straight. An adulterous couple praying for the man's wife to divorce him. A man shouting at her for advising them to reject medical treatment for his father which ultimately led to his early departure despite the big contributions he provides to this Guanyin. It is worth mentioning that this Cigu Guanyin that mentor Heuh endorses is actually not a good deity, which could actually bring anyone more harm than good. Of course with internet today, the society is more knowledgable now but back in the 1980s, people were largely dependent on religion and there were so many deities to pray for. As a kid who was made to watch rituals growing up, this game really hit home for me. Everything is really realistic and meticulously done, from the designs to the dates (Mei Shin's ritual ended on October 07 1987 which was on a solar eclipse so it was a very ominous date) (the dad couldn't bring meishin to Alishan because there really was a typhoon on that day), also the singing show that mei shin was in was a very real and largely popular show that existed from 1960-1990s which produced a number of the main people in the media industry today. In its pre-release ARG, the devs got fans to search for a stalked girl on Instagram who went missing but it only turned out that the stalker was Mei Shin's cousin who went into hiding after trying to investigate the girl's religious cult and as fans uncovered more, he got into trouble for doing so. Lastly, it is worth mentioning that Red Candle's small team of 12-ish people were the ones who created all of this. Props to taiwan for developing such a beautiful game! This is an amazing asian representation.
Wow I never knew that such cases like this were happening Thank you for sharing this with us I understood it a lot more And it made me realize how much other people are suffering
aidanta 1 She can’t be possessed because all of the spiritual stuff was made up. She just had regular stress and anxiety, and needed attention from her parents to cope with it. She wasn’t possessed.
The fact that you rarely go into the bathroom and the door remains locked for almost the entirety of the game gave me unease as I watched everyone play. Now I know why. What makes me the saddest is that you would think Mei would be the “horror” of the game rather than her mother what with the way she died and the guilt that drove her father to seek redemption for what he did to her (the isolation, the lies, the fights, the medical tests, the bathtub) but she wasn’t. She wasn’t angry in the afterlife. She told her father “Daddy, let’s go home” and that just made me cry. She forgave him.
Mei shin's illness did recover in 1985, the typhoon year. The father thought it was because of Cigu Guanyin, that is the start of his crazy devotion. However, the real factor is his story book and accompany when he taught his daughter to fold the tulip. Therefore, in the following years, the daughter fails on stage and get anxiety again. The father believed in Cigu Guanyin and devoted all his time praying rather than accompanying his lovely daughter, and this made the anxiety burst. About the scene after opening the wardrobe, it is the reason the father pushed his daughter on stage and believed she can sing well. In the Birthday grab, Mei shin grabbed the microphone and were supposed to be singer, the father always attended the show and never missed a replay. I felt it is also a cause of Mei shin's anxiety. He said, why won't you sing? there is a proof, on the scene of the birthday cake, she did say she want to be a famous singer. However, in one of the script, she said, in fact,she don't really want to be famous, but she want her family happy. really like the way they described this story. wanna cry :(
@@hannaapsay9805 It's an open answer. It didn't mention in the game. Some believe she was also killed by Yu, but most people think she just left the family, either gone for work or gone for good.
She actually mentioned that after the filming, she will come back and take her "family" to somewhere more "simple" (I guess the daughter only). But then came back and did not find her daughter, that explains why in the very beginning, she keep asking where is the daughter.
Personally, I think she just had anxiety. She was neglected and what she really needed was love from her family like what she said about the paper tulips. She knew what she needed, but his lack of communication and neglect of his daughter kept him from doing that. Especially the religion, which ended up killing her.
You're 100% right. She had an anxiety disorder. From the way she describes it to the sound of her heart beating fast to her passing out during that one scene where her father and mother are fighting, all point to her having panic attacks.
this remind me of my dad he is religious and i have anxiety and panic i needed help so so bad but he couldn’t listen he just say it’s satan thing or idk religion stuff
We do know that she lost, by one point. (Also the word for 88, her score, sounds almost like the word for "father" as the announcer repeats it more and more intensely.) We do know that he left her in a potion of wine (and possibly a snake) for seven days on the word of the quack mentor (one of the collected papers was a checklist for the ritual; the last check was left blank; also the 7 days that were marked on the wall calendar in all of the years were a clue). The ritual the father went through is a real one, but it is ONLY supposed to be a reconnection with one's own "soul," so to speak - - his excessive "devotion" took it to a gory place in his own brain, born of his own histrionics and excess. He knocks his head on the ground four times instead of the three bows he is supposed to take, bad luck, as the word for four rhymes with or sounds exactly like "death" in several east Asian languages. (I've seen Taiwanese commenters eslewhere confirm that her saying *Let's* go home most likely signifies that the dad committed suicide; also, the last line of the song Mei Shin sings during the credits confirms that she forgives him and is "willing " to be his daughter again in her next life.) She has no mental illness, just normal stress and anxiety from her parents fighting all the time where she can hear them, them trying to treat her with medicines even after the hospital confirms nothing is physically wrong with her, and later because of her thinking that her losing the contest made her parents break up (blood on the piano keys=she's failed her musical career; screaming Onstage Ghost Mei...this is also alluded to in one of the wall articles, I believe. "Will there be a comeback" for young Mei Shin. ) Also her dad focusing on writing one screenplay (about his much-too-idealized version of family life that modern producers weren't interested in, instead of going back to the genres that previously won him a ton of awards) and instead of interacting with his daughter (the scene with Mei looking through a hole in the wall connects these two factors; this as also alluded to and condemned in one of those news clippings on the wall that essentially gave a PSA about the most important thing for a child being to spend time with them. And of course the flashbacks about pills and not getting to go on a promised trip.) Also, in the very first scene, the mother has prepared food and keeps asking "where is Mei Shin?" This is the first scene of the game, but actually the LAST scene of the story...(second to last if including the Dad Alone And Possibly Dead scene after all the end credits). The rest of the game is the DAD'S psychotic break; he has blocked out what he did to his daughter while his wife was away filming and the player must piece together the history of everything that happened, out of chronological order, all mixed up. Mei's favorite book with both the memory of reading it and the father daughter theme is full of guilt for Dad ("the most precious thing was his daughter") but also hints at them being together in an afterlife. Note: I did not and could not possibly have figured this out on my own on one viewing, or without insights from Mandarin speakers in various comment threads. It is a freaking intricate puzzle, and translation is always hard in any medium let alone this kind. But dang, I find it SO beautiful. I wouldn't cut anything. (the weird thing is that I'm such a coward I can't even handle Spooky Scary Sunday, but this did not scare me at all; I just cried.)
Anxiety is a mental illness tho. And from what we’ve seen in the game Mei Shin doesn’t seem to have regular anxiety everyone goes through from time to time but the actual mental illness that’s a product of her parents issues
Feng Yu and his wife, a writer and actor respectively, live in an apartment with their daughter Mei Shin. They are both pretty successful in their careers, but Li Fang steps away from acting to look after her daughter and the household. Mei Shin begins to suffer from an illness and is taken to the doctor to diagnose it. The doctor says that she is suffering from a mental illness and severe anxiety. Her parents, though, refuse to believe that it is a mental illness and continue to believe that it’s some kind of physical ailment. With Li Fang not working and Feng Yu’s work drying up, the family begins to struggle for money. Mei Shin’s parents begin to argue and Yu begins to pay more attention to a cult that he has become involved with, even giving them a significant amount of money. The cult, which involves the worshipping of a god-like figure called Cigu Guanyin and is organized by a mysterious woman, insist that they can help cure Mei Shin, and Feng Yu believe them. He is deeply devoted to both the cult and his daughter, and it begins to mess with the family. Feng Yu and Li Fang then separate. Throughout Devotion, Li Fang is presented as some kind of supernatural threat, with Yu seeing her as a threat to both his devotion and his daughter’s health. It is possible that he killed his wife, but that is not particularly clear. Her parents’ split only makes Mei Shin’s mental health worse, however. She is clearly devoted to her parents, wanting nothing more than to impress them. She begins to become more and more unwell, though. Then, towards the end of Devotion, as Feng Yu becomes more and more devoted to the cult, he agrees to follow a ritual that the people he’s become devoted to say will cure his daughter. He puts Mei Shin in a bath full of alcohol for a full week and locks her in. The cult says that it will cleanse and cure her but she dies, presumably either from the alcohol or starvation/dehydration. Feng Yu then become riddled with guilt and it’s a little unclear what he does. Maybe he cuts out his tongue as a sacrifice or sorts, or maybe he kills himself. We hear Mei Shin say “Daddy, let’s go home,” which could be to do with them both dying. It’s this end section that’s left more up to interpretation. Right at the end, we then see a vision of Mei Shin walking through a forest. It seems as if she is free from both her mental illness and her father.
@@overlord7451 Yeah, but if you're trying to explain a confusing game to someone, you gotta give detail. It's great that this person wrote "3 paragraphs" instead of 3 sentences
I don't know why but I cried. Maybe because the dad was trying so hard to cure his daughter but in the end,all he did was making it worst. Damn,so disturbing and hella deep,still an awesome game though
he drowned her in the bathtub filled with alcohol and snakes...... but in the ending, the daughter was like if there is an afterlife she still wants to be his daughter.
I also noticed how both of the stories, (the snake and the girl who's dad was attacked by a boar) include self sacrifice in order to heal someone which is probably what the dad thought he was doing for his daughter.
So what I got from this; The Dad (The Writer) and the Mother (The Star) had a Child (Mei), who had looked up to her Mother and not her Father, (her Father didn't blame her, supporting her through it) eventually, Mei had made it to the Screen and she did well. With both the Mom and Dad being proud. Although this was short lived as a problem with Mei had come up. The father had basically blown all his resources and money to get Doctors who said nothing was wrong leading him to believe she was "Possessed", leading to the Wife feeling outcasted making her leave to return to her old Career. But the Dad was still *Devoted* too saving his Daughter. This had lead him to seek the mentor who had told him to show how devoted he really was then told him to put Mei in a Tub full of Snake Wine and leaving her alone. This lead to Mei probably ingesting some of this wine, making her Drunk. This in turn made Mei pass out and Drown in the Tub as we had seen in "Chapter 2: Nostalgia" which had shown her doll in the Tub... *BUT HEY THAT'S JUST A THEORY, A GAME THEO-* ok I'll stop... Edit: Oh and more proof to her drowning in the Tub is her appearing in the Bathroom Door when your on the Couch watching her on Screen, and after you enter the Bathroom.
Fastblaze 71 Hey! Really good theory, but I remember during the last part the Mentor telling the Father to leave Mei Shin in the bathroom for seven days so maybe she starved to death or ate the snake and was poisoned
i think the daughter was suffering from a mental illness and panic or anxiety attacks. that's why whenever she went to the doctors, they could never find anything physically wrong. i thought this mostly because she said stuff about her chest hurting and breathing difficulties specifically when she thinks about things that are stress and anxiety inducing (can't remember the exact instances) and her "cure" was making tulips which is a distraction and a short term deterrent. I thought when the dad said "My daughter's not a lunatic" it was a hint to her having a mental illness. Furthermore, in a lot of cultures, mental illness is mistaken for possession and demonism, which kind of explains why the dad assumed she was possessed, and why most things weren't helping to cure her.
Exactly a mental illness is a taboo. Probably it started early because the parents put on the daughter the burden of becoming famous like her mother. Asian cultures stress a lot becoming important, useful or successful in life.
This game is a masterpiece. I’m surprised I haven’t heard many people talk about it and even less play it. This is how you write a horror game. So many layers and themes to it. It was creepy, beautiful, tragic, horrific and it didn’t hand the audience the answers.
Chinese government sent a horde of 5mao to negatively review the game. It bombed and had to be removed from Steam. After a few years the original company is finally selling it by themselves.
This game takes place in Taiwan during the 80s, which I can tell y'all for a fact, as a Taiwan native myself, was VERY HEAVILY religious. Mental illness at that time was considered a stigma, a mark of disgrace and since the family were once very well-known within the entertainment industry, you can imagine the despair the father felt when he was informed his daughter was diagnosed with 'being a lunatic'. Anyone back in the day, people would rather trust a cultist, like Mentor Heuh, than a legitimate psychiatrist. Unfortunately, what happened to Mei Shin was likely quite frequent at that time. Hell, even in modern days. I read somewhere that a mom was convinced to starve her son for a week, like an exorcism of a sort, just to get him quite smoking. The saddest part is that Mei Shin may not even be sick in the first place, but was suffering severe anxiety from all the pressure the parents were putting on her (with the piano lessons, performing on live TV and of course, academic wise). Btw, Mei Shin likely died from alcohol poisoning. I think this would happen to anyone when they bathe in snake wine for a fucking week so...
Ok so around the middle of the game, the father “drowned” and came back out of the tub. Soon after that we saw the daughter run past him and we had to go into all the different times completing different tasks. I believe that from that point, the father was living thru a somewhat of a purgatory state b/c he had to look back at wat he did. We can infer that he did in fact kill the daughter in the tub and he was in the tub because he tried a desperate attempt to save her wen he realized wat he had done. I feel like he would have gone to hell but the daughter was like watching over him. Ok hear me out. We had parts with the POV of mei shin which was like the daughter showing him the error of his ways and how the “compromised lungs” were anxiety(at least mostly). The father relived his worst moments as a form of reflection so he could see wat he did. The parts with the “evil” version of the daughter were like the embodiment of wat the father THOUGHT mei shin was. This entity somewhat haunted him as further punishment. But he also relived good memories so he could see how things changed and how his daughters love never left no matter what. In the end, the daughter was walking thru like an imagination world type thing slowly, almost like she was waiting for someone(cough cough her father) to catch up. The singing in the background kinda had the message of “even tho things have changed I still wonder wat will come next and still have hope”. Notice how there were a man AND woman singing that part and I think that could be mei shin and her father (showing how even tho the father messed up they r still together). Anyway, we can infer that that the father also drowned himself after his daughter died (from the moment before he came outa the tub wen he was drowning in the room). Wen the father got close to mei shin, she started to run away as if she could finally be free. But then she waited again in the playground (remember how before in her letters she dreamt of going to the park with her family). She finally gets up and says “let’s go daddy” showing that she has forgiven him and that they can finally be together in the after life. THANK U FOR READING THIS I HOPE I COULD MAKE SENSE OF IT FOR SOME PPL HOPE CORY SEES THIS SARANGHAE!!!!
Your comment makes the most sense. It is really good.😮 Nice work!🙂👌 I agree with everything I read. This comment IS the story. But the Father dying, too?🤔 That's rather odd. Wait! He was the only one watching TV (or looking at a television). I think he's just the only one left now.
So in the first scene when the wife is asking “Where is Mei Shin?” Is the dad then still alive and in that scene the wife has come back and doesn’t know that the father has killed their daughter?!
spxoxo I think Mei Shin drowned in the alcohol bath for 6 days, then he found out that she died and then killed himself for the guilt. At the end Mei Shin forgave him in the afterlife. That’s what I got from piecing it together
@@tomoeitoch. I think it's about the father "reliving" this life since in Buddhist belief if you commit suicide, then you will be stuck living in the same life over and over again. What I believe what happened is that the dad is reliving the life he had to find out what he did wrong. And once he did, he will live in that life over and over again. It's really sad cause if the father just listen to the doctor and let his daughter go to therapy and listen to the scammer then he wouldn't be in the predicament he is in now.
I have anxiety and I have obsessive-compulsive disorder. What people don't realise is that OCD can be "pure O", or purely obsessive, intrusive thoughts. In the segment where the father was walking through the snakes and the blood, Mei Shin says, "I'll start imagining bad things happening. I often get the feeling that I can't get enough air, then I can't sleep. I'll fear that I'll never wake up from my dreams." This is EXACTLY what it feels like to struggle with the vicious cycle that is anxiety and OCD. I've had horrifying intrusive thoughts and imaginings that make me feel like my heart is going to explode, and while every rational part of your mind says that xyz will never happen, or that your loved one is safe, your misfiring brain will try its hardest to convince you that you're on the verge of having a heart attack, or that the reason your loved one isn't responding to a text is because they've had a horrible accident and are dead or dying in a ditch somewhere, and it spirals, and it feels like you have a cement block on your chest when you try to breathe. Sometimes, when the therapy and medication isn't enough, finding something small to take pleasure in and distract yourself with (like origami tulips) is enough to soften the all-too-sharp edges of an episode. I empathise with Mei Shin so much. People calling you a faker, saying you're doing things for attention, family trying to cure you with prayer instead of admitting you have a mental illness, etc. This poor little girl. This game is truly the story of a tragedy.
Good game. 10/10. Even though I never played it and just watched you really get connected with the characters and even feel sympathy for them as for Mei Shin past away, I feel sad. Same goes with the father. All the father wanted was to help his daughter but in the end made it worse. It really shows a parents love for there child. Also what I really like is that Mei Shin forgives her father for everything.
@@plschokeme its 30 minute too long the whole devotion chapter was ineteresting asf and the only redemable part was the recorded cassette one in this arc
@@Nobody-kg8sz I suppose it's a sort of big reunion between members of the KKK, where they do things such as promoting their agenda, or some shit like that
That dumbass father and crazy bitch mentor hu! 😭 What you don’t understand is that it’s snake wine and the snake could have been alive. We see a snake in the game. It might be the father imagining the worse but there are cases where snakes survived being trapped in alcohol
I don't understand how the dad would think being possessed is better than having mental problems, cuz I'm pretty sure having some stress problems is much better than having some demon inside you
because back then in asia, demon was indeed a better excuse than a mental illness. (I am also an asia, and that common thought is no longer exist, but some people still see mental illness as something shameful or crazy)
his thought process was likely that her being mentally ill meant that something was actually wrong with her, while her being possessed would just mean that something else was messing with her and it wasn’t their “fault” ig.
This game is so deep. My roommate and I watched this together and since she speaks chinese she says its so much more chilling as the story unfolds and as she pieces together what happened. Li Fang.. should've took her daughter with her. Granted, she didnt expect her husband would actually kill her under his watch but she knew he was unstable. This "saving face" culture we have is extremely toxic esp when it comes to married life.. My momma always said if my husband ever treated me wrong, I take my children and go back to her ASAP no hesitation.
I think the mom left, the daughter didn’t win the contest and she got stressed, so the dad thought she was possessed Bc she didn’t win, so the dad did all that stuff and then he eventually unintentionally killed his daughter but he realized what he did when he heard the tape. Now with the wife gone and the daughter dead and he has no money, he sits and stares at a blank screen in the dark
Probably, but I feel good knowing that in the ghost survivors universe where good endings are always possible you can atleast save your daughter. Wife is still gonna leave you though
From what I’ve gathered, the mom left because the dad was acting crazy and claiming the wife as possessed hence why the wife is depicted as a monster in the game because this is through the father’s perspective. Mei Shin has an anxiety disorder that’s why the doctor wrote that there was no physical problem and the dad didn’t accept that her daughter might have a mental problem cause he thinks that’ll mean Mei Shin is a lunatic. He goes to his mentor to do a ritual that’ll make Mei Shin better even though folding flowers helped her anxiety. He does the ritual in the bathtub and calls the mentor. The mentor tells him not to enter, when he calls again the mentor doesn’t pick up. He goes into the bathroom and we can assume the daughter died in the bathtub. The father probably committed suicide hence why Mei Shin is like let’s come home.
Ik right I almost got on trouble by my mom because she thought my phone was being loud but he had screamed XD... I love it when he yells because it always make me laugh!
A little bit context to the "shadow realm" part of the game. The "guan ling rite" is actually a real thing in Chinese culture, and whats scary is, a lot of the stuff the mentor talked about (everything being dark, follow the light of lamps, don't look at anything else, chant the mantra, etc.) during the "shadow realm", I actually used to hear these stuff from my mother a lot, who believes in Budhism. The whole "shadow realm" part, to me at least, is a really good representation of what kind of religion the "Ci Gu Guan Yin" religion is like, and makes it a LOT scarier because these stuff is actually part of our daily life. Heres the brief summary of the story: 1980 they got married and moved to a new house, thus the first segment of gameplay (putting stuff in their place), the husband is a successful script writer, and the mother is an actress. They are going to have a child, but the child wasn't born yet. 1985 the child has panic attacks a lot due to stress of performing on stage and the pressure from everyone's expectations AND the growing financial problem of the family due to the father running out of good writing ideas. And the promised trip to Ali mountain which would cheer her up a lot got canceled due to a typhoon. Thus came the panic attacks. The daughter was scared of medical treatment because of all the pain, the father's heart is broken at this sight, thus he seeked out a different approach to cure his daughter (the scene where you pull out the needles), which is religion. But at the same time, he poured a lot more love into her daughter and stayed by her side more, even bought her a story book and read it to her, which made her happy, which decreased her panic attacks and heart problems. She got better, but the father mistook that for the religion's doings, so he became devoted to the religion. 1986 the financial problem grew worse, and the family quarrel occured. The daughter heard them fighting, and also heard about part of the problem being the father spending money on the religion, which she interpreted as its her fault, which gave her a giant panic attack. And THEN the mom left the house to make money, which made the daughter's condition even worse. You see on her creative writing paper that she had to erase "My family consists of me, my father and my mother" because her mother was no longer there. All these reasons made her suffer from panic attacks even more severely then the one last year. The father, desperate, would do anything to help his daughter. Which the only thing he knew that could help is the mentor's guidance. The mentor saw his desperation and scammed him for one last time (probably won't be able to after this because the daughter would be dead and he wouldn't believe in her anymore), gave him a task that which he would be bound at home for 7 days and fled the place. So the father locked her daughter in the bathroom, soaked her in snake wine for 7 days and didn't let her out, and as the days go by he got worried and contacted the mentor, whom stopped answering his calls after some time. The seven days finally passed and he opened the bathroom door. Now there are two interpretations here in Taiwan about this ending: 1. The daughter is fuckin dead and he sat on the couch, lost all will to live and stares blankly at the television, imagining the "Flawless Present" he wanted (the after credit scene) 2. He opened the door and found no one there, because the mother came back once and found this horrific stuff going on and sent the daughter to the hospital, which saved her life. The father didn't know about this OR his is under custody so he stared blankly at the television on the couch reflecting on his mistakes. Obviously the first one is more possible so that probably is the canon ending.
I agree, some parts of the gameplay could’ve made the story more evident to the player. But rather than the regular jump-scare based horror game, it actually had substance even if it left the player with more questions than answers. In my eyes the thought provoking story makes it a pretty unique horror game.
Cory his daughter died when the mentor told u to submerge her in whine for a week he was so devoted and didn’t realize wht he had done and when he went to the bathroom he realized tht she has died and the mentor stops answering his calls thts wht tht ending was when he went to the bathroom and it was all white she died since he left her submerged in the wine
richietheratt yup. even cory said it if you’ve watched both episodes because in the first one the room filled up and that’s when cory said “she drowned..”
So basically his daughter had like anxiety and panic attacks, and the mentor was lying, and he began believing that she was possessed. Blah blah blah the wife leaves, blah blah he puts his daughter in the wine bath for 6 WHOLE DAYS with the door locked, and she dies. And then he dies. Boom, the whole thing in a nutshell
Daughter has a mental illness dad starts trying to find cure because he dont wabt to accept that she is infact mentally ill mom thinks dad is crazy and thinks of leaving dad thinks mom is agaisnt him and threatens her, mom had to leave by herself Dad goes crazy with religous medication things Daughter dies Dad dies
I have a feeling that what happened: Mr. Du was happily married to Li Feng with a daughter, mei shin. Mei shin came down with a lung condition, or what I thought, severe anxiety and had to take medication for it. Mr. Du was distraught and swore that his daughter wasn't sick. Mr. Du devoted himself to an entity named Cigo Guanyin, which, if you look it up, was a mercy goddess. Li got tired of this since her family was losing money and left Du with Mei shin still sick. Du continued to devote himself to this practice and neglected his own kid so she could get "better". The "mentor" told him to make a serpent wine and pour it into a bath to "cleanse" Mei Shin. Mei shin, being as small as she is, probably drowned in this wine, hence why you see a bunch of references to water when hearing about mei shin. Once Du opened the bathroom door to see the horrific scene, he most likely couldn't take it. The whole gameplay was flashbacks with twists until up to that point. Which is probably when you hear Mei Shin say "Daddy, let's go home", meaning that he most likely committed suicide and right up until that point, his family life flashed before his eyes. But again, this is just a hunch. :)
Spoiler/Clear understanding of the ending of Devotion: Cory you are correct about her getting dying (Mei Shin) and him getting scammed. You remember when the father tore up the paper while saying "She is not crazy" i think while that is true since she only had anxiety and or a thing similar to that (a mental distorter) because her parents as you can tell were always fighting and them telling her do do her best to become a star. But he didn't want to believe it so he prayed and went to this so called "God" which was really just a scam but he actually got really obsessed with all these thing saying that god will cure her and stuff and she said to do all these things but you know how the bathroom door was always locked? That is because you know by the end she (the person on the phone) that was the last thing to do which was to 'cure' her by following the instructions on the "Serpant wine ritual" so he filled the bathtub up and put the wine in there and he actually locked the door and left her in there for 7 days (we're not sure if she died of hunger or alcohol poisoning) but she died and when he actually went and opened the door which led to the white ending playing = That he realized what he had done and he had noticed that she had died/he had killed her and what i think what happened after she said 'Lets go home daddy' means that she wants him to die or something so that he could go to heaven with her but i know for sure (i actually dont know) that he had gone crazy because of that and you can see when he played that tape recorder everyone who went to that so called god were mad since that 'cure' didn't work and one person had almost died cause of it. The game spared us from actually seeing Mei Shing's body though. It should have been a horrendous scene in the bathroom after we opened the door in the end, but it instead led us into a cutscene and a song, whose lyrics implied that Mei Shing still forgave her dad before she died, after all of this. It also made clear that the whole game was about Du's spiritual journey to his own horrible past and the subsequent resolution with his sin. Well thats all i really got to say since it seemed like you kind of didnt understand the games ending ;)
@@anantrawat2311 no its not... if its only for every million and cory has 3 million, then that means he would have only made three... (Oh and BTW, he made one a 400k subs)
44:28 It's a poem... Poems aren't explicit, they're labyrinthine. This entire game was structured around an artistic style of presentation. (I know I'm 9 months late, don't judge me)
A good way that I liked how they indicated she died was at the end credits. She was talking about how she folded so many flowers while the dad was following the flowers and then the flowers stopped. That’s a good symbol right there that there are no more flowers to follow because she can’t make anymore cus she died.
the mother’s prodigy song is so beautiful, it made me cry in the credits. i really like this game. i think that the ambiguity is a great part of the game and i often like works that are more ambiguous because they allow the audience’s interpretation and personally that keeps me more attentive and invested than when the answers are all directly presented in front of me. great playthrough as always, cory. i enjoyed this a lot
so, i think Mei Shin’s real problem was anxiety, which could have been treated by a psychiatrist (which was recommended by her doctor in the game) but her dad was freaked out her mental illness (he says “MY DAUGHTER IS NOT A LUNATIC!”) so he completely abandoned doctors all together and focused solely on praying to Shigu Guanyin. of course the mentor was scamming him and wasn’t really trying to help. so she probably told him some way to “cure” Mei Shin, which involved making “snake wine.” (remember the part where there was a giant snake in the red liquid and Mei Shin was pushed in?) so the mentor told him that he would need to make the snake wine in the bathtub, and do not open the bathroom door, and it may take up to 7 days, he just needs to “have faith in Mei Shin.” so i think that he made the snake wine in the tub, and drowned Mei Shin, because perhaps the mentor told him that Shigu Guanyin would resurrect her in 7 days and she would be cleared of all her illnesses (because he had shown his devotion) and he just needed to wait and not look into the bathroom. and of course, after 7 days, Mei Shin was still dead. that’s just my theory :)
amber colored yeah you’re right, that was another thought i had, that could totally be it. also we don’t know what “snake wine” is, so it could have poisoned her or something?
mothman snake wine is made by soaking a snake in rice wine or grain alcohol and i was thinking that mei shin might've gotten alcohol poisoning by absorbing the wine through her skin since she bathed in it especially for SEVEN DAYS. the mentor was definitely trying to murder her through her dad.
So the wife left him and the daughter wanted to see his mom. Dad got report that her daughter needs to go a mental health hospital stuff . He did not believe that The mentor was a scam And the god was a demon Harvesting on father suffering Demanding body parts of him Father was so in the devotion that he did not see it That bathtub one was pretty easy to guess that mentor wanted the child to be killed Now it's not like the game said that the child is dead or alive. I think it's very likey that the daughter is dead He sees her child in a playground Like the last wish before I go. But he don't clearly get to touch her daughter or see her eyes because she is gone. Now the game cuts. I think in the aftermath He has lost everything in devotion. I think he killed himself too in devotion too. Only the wife lives I guess
I don't think the mentor wanted Mei Shin to die. She was prolly pulling some crap outta her ass when she told him to put her in a snake wine bath and not enter the room. She prolly didn't think the girl would drown afterward, which is what I assume happened.
11:55 i love that he was sayin "i don't wanna go forward" that must be what the protagonist was also feeling,, he didn't wanna relive the memories but hes facing them now so
I couldn't stand the ritual where he mutilated himself bro. Aghh... his tongue.. I thought it was bad when he took the ice cream scoop to the eye. But then he went and barbecue forked his tongue.
This is my theory- Maybe his daughter suffered anxiety, that's why she probably was Ok when she was doing stuff she liked, and would rather be in the closet singing,without people watching her. The father might have gotten mad that she got so nervous on stage; "Why wont you sing?!". (Maybe her chest pain were panic attacks). On the other hand, her father was in denial of that, that's why he said "My daughter is not a lunatic!" when the doctor recommended seeing a Psychiatris. So he reached out to that lady and convinced himself she was possesed and her soul was captured. Once again, I could be wrong, its just what I picked up from it.
This is exactly what I thought. And when the doctors recommended psychiatric care, the father took it as her daughter being crazy. She probably would've been treated for panic disorder.
that makes sense now that we know that in that one scene when she was in the classroom and she was panicking while looking at her classmates and how at the end of her dream, she was having a panic attack when she woke up. 18:52
Yes, the father killed his daughter by leaving Mei Shin in the bathroom for SEVEN days and ignore any sounds coming from the bathroom on instruction of the mentor as seen in the last part with the phone call. Now, it is unclear how she died, I think she either starved to death or ate the snake/drank the wine and was poisoned. From the beginning we see that when the father goes to wash his hands he sees blood on it probably symbolizing that he caused the death of his daughter and again when Li Fang, the mother, comes back and says "Where's Mei Shin?" Could also be evidence of Mei Shin's death. This is just my theory tho.
you are totally right, that was the part where li fang came back to the house asking where mei shine was. But even du feng yu died because if the injuries on his tongue and eyes, at the last it says "daddy let's go home" meaning that in afterlife the dad realised how blinded and cruel he was and enjoyed his afterlife with his daughter
I feel bad for the dad. He was tricked to going to his "mentor" for help with his daughter sickness. If you think about it whatever the mentor did helped but it only helped temporarily so the dad could spend more money and come back over and over again. I think because it helped (even if it was for a little bit) he ignored his wife and kept going back. Even when the doctor said you should see psychiatric doctor, he was too far gone and believed that his daughter was perfect and it had to be something possessing her. His wife had enough and left. His daughter only got worse and possibly died. (All assumptions)
YOYlo Marley No, I don’t think it was because he thought she was “perfect”. Keep in mind that metal illnesses in the 80’s was taboo and so the father didn’t want to believe that his daughter was “crazy” or “mentally retarded”
I kinda blame the dad, his wife trying to tell him that what he do is wrong but he keep being a traditional old man that trust everything about this weird medical treatment instead of a real doctor
The mentor didn’t help the first time. The reason mei xin got better was because her father folded the tulips with her relieving the anxiety which was causing the breathing disorder. The father mistook it as the cult being the reason she got better but mei xin literally says it herself saying she knows what made her better and that was her father loving her. 😭 that evil bitch mentor hu and stupid ass father.
*OK SO BASICALLY* Mom is a superstar Dad is a bad script writer Daughter is very talented, even though she lost the singing contest. Dad forces mom to quit acting and singing The relation starts falling apart Daughter gets affected by the arguing Daughter gets anxiety, panic attacks etc. Dad goes to fake mentor Mom tells dad to stop Dad thinks mom is possesed Mom leaves Dad makes serpent wine and a lot of useless sacrifices Dad puts daughter in serpent wine so she can be healed She drowns Yeah
@@lobsters12111 but who tf is dumb enough to drown in a bathtub? She didnt drown cuz obviously she could've just stepped out of the tub. She was locked in the bathroom and died of thirst and starvation
You would die of thirst before you would die of starvation tho the bathroom does have a sink so water was fine. So it’s obvious she starved to death. But even tho she died because him the ending seems like she forgives him cause he only wanted to save her.
The saddest thing about this whole series to me is that the only thing “wrong” with the daughter was the fact she struggled with crippling anxiety and that some simple therapy of some sort would have helped her with that but the father misunderstood the referral to the mental side of the hospital.
Yeah she’s confirmed dead because in the last scene when he was sitting in one of the three chairs, he’s alone which means his wife left him and his daughter is dead.
Cory I found out that the father had locked the daughter in the bathroom in wine and snake blood for a week and in the ending when he finds out the ritual is a scam he went to check the bathroom but when he went in their she was dead and the ending scenes is of her in the after life
Mei Shin was forced to be a child star and the fight between her parents skyrocketed her anxiety level significantly. This led to her "sickness", losing the singing competition (89:88) as well as her child star career. Even though Du (the father) didn't blame Mei but he couldn't allow her dear daughter to be suffered from that "sickness". At first, Du was seeking help from the doctors but they all had concluded that Mei was not sick (well physically) and suggested Du to seek help from psychiatric doctor. This is where Du got angry and returned to Mentor Heuh because he believed that Mei was not crazy, she just "possessed" by something evil and since the folk deity Cigu Guanyin "cured" her daughter once (luckily), Mei should be recovered by the almighty power of Cigu as previous. So Du started to "all-in" his resources and money, making Li Fang (the mother) left the house and returned to her star career for money and for the sake of her family. However, Du was tricked by the mentor, Mei was forced to be sank in the tub that full of snake wine for 7 days and in the end, she was "accidentally drowned" by her father. Li Fang was then returned, and when she found out that Mei was dead due to the stupid ritual, her mental immediately breakdown and killed Du with a knife for murdering their child (hint from the female paper doll holding a knife). Du's spirit was then trapped in his sin. In Chinese cultural, especially Buddhism, believes that all spirits are extremely afraid of the one who killed them with their bare hands, this is why Du was chased down by the ghost (Li Fang) throughout the game. Like a cycle, Du will experience all these scenarios again and again unless he is ready to face his sin (open the bathroom door), admit that it was his fault to let Mei drowned from the ritual and scammed by Mentor Heuh as well as the Cigu Guanyin. So for the one last time, Du chose to believe that he was scammed (after listening to the tape recorder) and this whole thing was his fault, he opened the bathroom door, accepted his sin, and left the cycle with his dearest daughter. Mei didn't blame for her father's mistakes. In fact, this angelic child believes that her father was just trying to help her and waiting Du to open the bathroom door so that he can be freed from the sins cycle.
Corry is oblivious sometimes, if he would look around it would make a whole lotta sense. At the very end before you walk into the bathroom the floor is flooded. Meaning yes she did drown inside the bathroom. The game is all about imagery and if you don't take the time to read or look at the designs and visuals you'll miss out on a lot of the story.
One of the big symbolic things that solidify that Mei Shin died in the bathroom is a moment that got cut off at 38:49. There's a single incense stick in the bathroom door vent. Incense sticks are usually lit in bundles of three or so for prayers and ceremonies. But single incense sticks are usually used as an offering for the dead. This is a huge cultural symbol though, so it can be frustrating for non-incense using cultures because they won't know this significance.
"I WANT TO SEE THE DAUGHTER IN THE TUB" Aye yo CORY, I understand you want to see some GUD GUD BITS but boy, *the F.B.I. is up here, you can't be doing that*
So that dumb dad did a sacrifice (removed his eyeball and tongue) because she was possed. THAT DIDNT WORK! Then he put her in serpent wine for a week! OBVIOUSLY she died! THATS JUST SAD!
The dad wasn’t dumb...he was just trying to help her because he loved her so much he in the end was dead the daughter loved him just like he loved her with all the hearts he was devoted to helping her he put her in the tub thinking it would heal her he did the sacrifice BECAUSE he wanted to help yet the wife didn’t care
Ok so for those of you who didn't understand this, Mei Shin was never actually sick. She suffered from severe anxiety. However one time that she was actually sick, he took her to the mentor and she got better. So her dad started thinking the mentor had performed a miracle. Around the time that she started almost being forced to perform, her anxieties got worse and worse so the mentor not only told the dad to pray to Cigu Guanyin, where he wasted all his money and eventually caused his wife to leave him, but also attempted a ritual that consisted of locking his daughter in the bathroom in a bathtub full of wine. She was locked there for 7 straight days with no food or water, eventually dying of alcohol poisoning. It's...unclear weather the dad is dead or not but there are implications that he committed suicide shortly after Mei Shin died. If i have to say something bad about this is that the whole trip trough the underworld felt unnecessary
When mei got 88 score it sounds like she call her dad (baba or papa idk) while being locked inside the bathroom with those snake or while she's drowning
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Remember that, when he called Mentor Hu that second time during the final hallway scene, it sounded like he called her incredibly concerned about something, and her response was "oh, no, that's normal, also this can take up to seven days in extreme cases, have faith in Mei Shin and don't unlock the bathroom door."
Remember that, so many times when you see a calendar in the game, six days are x'd out (to represent those days already passed by), and the seventh day is circled.
Realize that when the TV showing the competition started skipping on Mei Shin's (failed) score, it kept repeating/skipping on 88 (八十八 bāshíbā) in an increasingly intense way. And that Mei Shin calls her father daddy (爸爸 bàba). And that he was likely hearing her yelling for him.
Remember that, when Mentor Hu told him to ignore everything he heard in the place where she couldn't reach him, knowing that Mentor Hu was leading him astray, he wound up ignoring two things: One, the other version of himself, who was telling him to go save his daughter by opening the bathroom door, and saying that the flower (Mei Shin) had collapsed under its own weight (all their expectations on her) because she was just a child after all. Part of him knew the truth and had doubts about what he was doing even at the time. And two, a room where a bunch of Mei Shins were pleading with him to please let her out and asking why he was ignoring her, telling him she loved him and that she just wanted him to play with her. Another thing he likely was hearing from the bathroom, as he prayed and ignored her. In that part, we're hearing her as she's desperately begging to be let out of the bathroom.
Realize that a small closed room full of a wine that has a *very* high alcohol content is very likely to give a small girl alcohol poisoning, even if she's not actually submersed in it the whole time. (And she did say she trusted her daddy, and trusted Mentor Hu because he did, and was willing to do what they asked to get well.) Especially if this is a small girl who is prone to having panic attacks, hyperventilating, and even passing out... All of which might happen if her father leaves her locked in the bathroom and ignores her pleading.
That second phone call to Mentor Hu, he was probably worried because Mei Shin was begging to be let out while she was dying, and we actually heard those very moments in the game. When he opened the door on the seventh day, it was too late, and very possibly much too late.
This is incredible sad
;_;
this comment deserves more likes and tysm I understand it now
i also noticed a couple hints at drowning and there was one scene that looked like he was drowning in red liquid? which may have foreshadowed a possible death of the daughter in the wine bath
CandyCrazedFox yes yes!!
For those wondering: Mei Shin died. She was locked in the bathroom and left in a bathtub full of alcohol (rice wine) for 6 days because her father followed the mentor's advice (which was given over a phone call in episode with the bloody bathroom).
In the end, the father is looking into a static television in a dark room, stiffly, because he is also dead. This scene, in addition to the previous scene (when he last encounters his daughter), indicates that he too has passed onto the afterlife and is now reunited with his daughter.
Hope this helps.
Wat was his cause of death
@@BloodyEngland2 Killed by the wife with madness when she fond her daughter die in the tub
@@BloodyEngland2 Nah, he killed himself. Other people in the comment section have been saying that he killing himself, probably because he was depressed that he basically killed his own child. Maybe I'm wrong on that part, but I do know that he killed himself
@Alfheim's Aurora Jolteon No, he's not like...dead dead. Just picture it like that's his ghost, his spirit body that we start playing in the beginning of the video. He's not PHYSICALLY dead in the beginning (well, that's what I'm thinking), just mentally/spiritually...
@Alfheim's Aurora Jolteon When you die, rigor mortis sets in and you become extremely stiff. While that does take a couple hours to set in, muscles (with the help of the nervous system) remain active for while after death.
还愿 (Title of this game) originally means the act of fulfilling a vow. In taoism/buddhism, you have to repay for whatever you get through prayer. Usually that means performing good deeds and more charitable acts, or simply going vegetarian. But in this game we study the goddess Cigu Guanyin that the characters here worship: Cigu doesn't actually exist in the religion but Zigu does. It originates from ancient China where She, a known beauty, was taken in as a concubine but was killed by the main wife due to jealousy. She died in the lavatory hence gaining the name of Lavatory Deity. In the game, we find that Mei Shin ultimately died in the bathroom as well. And that Cigu Guanyin might not be the good deity we thought it was. The dad shows in his trip to the underworld that he is willing to sacrifice enough (His tongue, his eyes, his blood) to repay for his daughter's health. That's how devoted he is. But what about his own pride to send her for proper treatment? In the storybook that we read, we can water the tulips with blood but they won't last long; They can't handle their own weight unless we nurture it with love. It was implied that Mei Shin got well the first time after the father started spending time to fold tulips with her but he chose to believe it was his faith that cured her, neglecting her for his religion and letting her fall into sickness again.
Towards the end in the last line of the song that Mei Shin sings, it shows it actually meant 还(hai)愿 which means still willing, in "Are you still willing (to be my father)?" The daughter forgave her father and is still willing to be her daughter again.
One reason why this game resonates so strongly with the taiwanese public is because religious scams like this and people like mentor heuh still exist in modern day taiwan and in this religion. Societies that recruit blind followers on the basis of faith, often requiring monthly contributions that don't come in small amounts. They claim to heal without needing medical treatment, depriving believers of the treatment they really need, fix behavioural issues for children and fix broken relationships amongst other things. In the recording that the father finds in Mentor Heuh's house, all her previous clients talk about their treatment. One grandmother praying for her grandson after failing his exams for two years straight. An adulterous couple praying for the man's wife to divorce him. A man shouting at her for advising them to reject medical treatment for his father which ultimately led to his early departure despite the big contributions he provides to this Guanyin. It is worth mentioning that this Cigu Guanyin that mentor Heuh endorses is actually not a good deity, which could actually bring anyone more harm than good. Of course with internet today, the society is more knowledgable now but back in the 1980s, people were largely dependent on religion and there were so many deities to pray for. As a kid who was made to watch rituals growing up, this game really hit home for me. Everything is really realistic and meticulously done, from the designs to the dates (Mei Shin's ritual ended on October 07 1987 which was on a solar eclipse so it was a very ominous date) (the dad couldn't bring meishin to Alishan because there really was a typhoon on that day), also the singing show that mei shin was in was a very real and largely popular show that existed from 1960-1990s which produced a number of the main people in the media industry today. In its pre-release ARG, the devs got fans to search for a stalked girl on Instagram who went missing but it only turned out that the stalker was Mei Shin's cousin who went into hiding after trying to investigate the girl's religious cult and as fans uncovered more, he got into trouble for doing so. Lastly, it is worth mentioning that Red Candle's small team of 12-ish people were the ones who created all of this. Props to taiwan for developing such a beautiful game! This is an amazing asian representation.
kathleen t well it is Asian characteristics
Wow
I never knew that such cases like this were happening
Thank you for sharing this with us
I understood it a lot more
And it made me realize how much other people are suffering
I understand so much more now thank you. That hot deep
How do you know this
Very well said. One of the most dangerous things in the world is blind devotion.
"My daughter's not a lunatic!"
"Possessed though? Yeah, that's fine."
Yes because the means nothing is wrong with the daughter herself, something is messing with her
@@aidanta1128 but the ritual stuff was a scam remember
@@blessedrat_ I don't see your point.
aidanta 1 She can’t be possessed because all of the spiritual stuff was made up. She just had regular stress and anxiety, and needed attention from her parents to cope with it. She wasn’t possessed.
@@blessedrat_ I never said she was possessed, I said what the Dad was thinking
The fact that you rarely go into the bathroom and the door remains locked for almost the entirety of the game gave me unease as I watched everyone play. Now I know why.
What makes me the saddest is that you would think Mei would be the “horror” of the game rather than her mother what with the way she died and the guilt that drove her father to seek redemption for what he did to her (the isolation, the lies, the fights, the medical tests, the bathtub) but she wasn’t. She wasn’t angry in the afterlife. She told her father “Daddy, let’s go home” and that just made me cry. She forgave him.
angelisoncrack Because she knew he just wanted her to be happy and loves her father 😭😭😭😭😭😭
*AGGRESSIVE SOBBING*
This game is just beautiful and wholesome 😭😭
damn, reading this gave me chills
@@someone6810 same…
Mei shin's illness did recover in 1985, the typhoon year. The father thought it was because of Cigu Guanyin, that is the start of his crazy devotion. However, the real factor is his story book and accompany when he taught his daughter to fold the tulip. Therefore, in the following years, the daughter fails on stage and get anxiety again. The father believed in Cigu Guanyin and devoted all his time praying rather than accompanying his lovely daughter, and this made the anxiety burst.
About the scene after opening the wardrobe, it is the reason the father pushed his daughter on stage and believed she can sing well. In the Birthday grab, Mei shin grabbed the microphone and were supposed to be singer, the father always attended the show and never missed a replay. I felt it is also a cause of Mei shin's anxiety. He said, why won't you sing?
there is a proof, on the scene of the birthday cake, she did say she want to be a famous singer. However, in one of the script, she said, in fact,she don't really want to be famous, but she want her family happy.
really like the way they described this story. wanna cry :(
Alex Wang so what happened to the wife???
@@hannaapsay9805 It's an open answer. It didn't mention in the game. Some believe she was also killed by Yu, but most people think she just left the family, either gone for work or gone for good.
She actually mentioned that after the filming, she will come back and take her "family" to somewhere more "simple" (I guess the daughter only). But then came back and did not find her daughter, that explains why in the very beginning, she keep asking where is the daughter.
wat I'm so confused with wut u just said
thx for explaining
That song towards the end is actually bopin’
Finally, after scrolling down the comments.. one dude thought the same thing as me
ikr
I was thinking the same thing. Anyone know the name of it or was it a song made just for the game?
imallaroundtheworld
I don’t, I guess maybe Shazam it?
Are y'all said the ending song that Mei Shin sang one?
If yes then the song name is 'Lady of the pier' is... a good and sad song actually
Personally, I think she just had anxiety. She was neglected and what she really needed was love from her family like what she said about the paper tulips. She knew what she needed, but his lack of communication and neglect of his daughter kept him from doing that. Especially the religion, which ended up killing her.
You're 100% right. She had an anxiety disorder. From the way she describes it to the sound of her heart beating fast to her passing out during that one scene where her father and mother are fighting, all point to her having panic attacks.
Finay someone noticed lol. I was thinking that since part 2. Those are definitely panic attacks and she has some severe anxiety
this remind me of my dad he is religious and i have anxiety and panic i needed help so so bad but he couldn’t listen he just say it’s satan thing or idk religion stuff
Mercury I’m so sorry. I hope things are better for you.
yes
We do know that she lost, by one point. (Also the word for 88, her score, sounds almost like the word for "father" as the announcer repeats it more and more intensely.) We do know that he left her in a potion of wine (and possibly a snake) for seven days on the word of the quack mentor (one of the collected papers was a checklist for the ritual; the last check was left blank; also the 7 days that were marked on the wall calendar in all of the years were a clue). The ritual the father went through is a real one, but it is ONLY supposed to be a reconnection with one's own "soul," so to speak - - his excessive "devotion" took it to a gory place in his own brain, born of his own histrionics and excess. He knocks his head on the ground four times instead of the three bows he is supposed to take, bad luck, as the word for four rhymes with or sounds exactly like "death" in several east Asian languages. (I've seen Taiwanese commenters eslewhere confirm that her saying *Let's* go home most likely signifies that the dad committed suicide; also, the last line of the song Mei Shin sings during the credits confirms that she forgives him and is "willing " to be his daughter again in her next life.)
She has no mental illness, just normal stress and anxiety from her parents fighting all the time where she can hear them, them trying to treat her with medicines even after the hospital confirms nothing is physically wrong with her, and later because of her thinking that her losing the contest made her parents break up (blood on the piano keys=she's failed her musical career; screaming Onstage Ghost Mei...this is also alluded to in one of the wall articles, I believe. "Will there be a comeback" for young Mei Shin. ) Also her dad focusing on writing one screenplay (about his much-too-idealized version of family life that modern producers weren't interested in, instead of going back to the genres that previously won him a ton of awards) and instead of interacting with his daughter (the scene with Mei looking through a hole in the wall connects these two factors; this as also alluded to and condemned in one of those news clippings on the wall that essentially gave a PSA about the most important thing for a child being to spend time with them. And of course the flashbacks about pills and not getting to go on a promised trip.)
Also, in the very first scene, the mother has prepared food and keeps asking "where is Mei Shin?" This is the first scene of the game, but actually the LAST scene of the story...(second to last if including the Dad Alone And Possibly Dead scene after all the end credits). The rest of the game is the DAD'S psychotic break; he has blocked out what he did to his daughter while his wife was away filming and the player must piece together the history of everything that happened, out of chronological order, all mixed up. Mei's favorite book with both the memory of reading it and the father daughter theme is full of guilt for Dad ("the most precious thing was his daughter") but also hints at them being together in an afterlife.
Note: I did not and could not possibly have figured this out on my own on one viewing, or without insights from Mandarin speakers in various comment threads. It is a freaking intricate puzzle, and translation is always hard in any medium let alone this kind. But dang, I find it SO beautiful. I wouldn't cut anything.
(the weird thing is that I'm such a coward I can't even handle Spooky Scary Sunday, but this did not scare me at all; I just cried.)
yeah good hypothesis
This comment deserves wayyyy more recognition bro‼️
SonoCarriedYou I second this :)
wow reading this made me even sadder
Anxiety is a mental illness tho. And from what we’ve seen in the game Mei Shin doesn’t seem to have regular anxiety everyone goes through from time to time but the actual mental illness that’s a product of her parents issues
Feng Yu and his wife, a writer and actor respectively, live in an apartment with their daughter Mei Shin. They are both pretty successful in their careers, but Li Fang steps away from acting to look after her daughter and the household.
Mei Shin begins to suffer from an illness and is taken to the doctor to diagnose it. The doctor says that she is suffering from a mental illness and severe anxiety. Her parents, though, refuse to believe that it is a mental illness and continue to believe that it’s some kind of physical ailment.
With Li Fang not working and Feng Yu’s work drying up, the family begins to struggle for money. Mei Shin’s parents begin to argue and Yu begins to pay more attention to a cult that he has become involved with, even giving them a significant amount of money.
The cult, which involves the worshipping of a god-like figure called Cigu Guanyin and is organized by a mysterious woman, insist that they can help cure Mei Shin, and Feng Yu believe them. He is deeply devoted to both the cult and his daughter, and it begins to mess with the family.
Feng Yu and Li Fang then separate. Throughout Devotion, Li Fang is presented as some kind of supernatural threat, with Yu seeing her as a threat to both his devotion and his daughter’s health. It is possible that he killed his wife, but that is not particularly clear.
Her parents’ split only makes Mei Shin’s mental health worse, however. She is clearly devoted to her parents, wanting nothing more than to impress them. She begins to become more and more unwell, though.
Then, towards the end of Devotion, as Feng Yu becomes more and more devoted to the cult, he agrees to follow a ritual that the people he’s become devoted to say will cure his daughter.
He puts Mei Shin in a bath full of alcohol for a full week and locks her in. The cult says that it will cleanse and cure her but she dies, presumably either from the alcohol or starvation/dehydration.
Feng Yu then become riddled with guilt and it’s a little unclear what he does. Maybe he cuts out his tongue as a sacrifice or sorts, or maybe he kills himself. We hear Mei Shin say “Daddy, let’s go home,” which could be to do with them both dying. It’s this end section that’s left more up to interpretation.
Right at the end, we then see a vision of Mei Shin walking through a forest. It seems as if she is free from both her mental illness and her father.
DING DING DING
Dang sucka you just wrote like three paragraphs
@@overlord7451 Yeah, but if you're trying to explain a confusing game to someone, you gotta give detail. It's great that this person wrote "3 paragraphs" instead of 3 sentences
Jaidyn Danielle this is by far the most reasonable explanation I’ve seen
@@lividaytime1784 severe anxiety(which is just anxiety disorder) is a mental illness
I don't know why but I cried. Maybe because the dad was trying so hard to cure his daughter but in the end,all he did was making it worst. Damn,so disturbing and hella deep,still an awesome game though
You literally couldn’t have said that any better
Yeah me to
Yo he killed his daughter the end is her in the afterlife.
he drowned her in the bathtub filled with alcohol and snakes...... but in the ending, the daughter was like if there is an afterlife she still wants to be his daughter.
You cried because of that last amazing song at yhe end
Anyone else notice the parallel between her pouring her medicine into the fish tank and her father putting her in the bath tub with the wine?
I also noticed how both of the stories, (the snake and the girl who's dad was attacked by a boar) include self sacrifice in order to heal someone which is probably what the dad thought he was doing for his daughter.
It seems that the fish and the bathtub and the snake are tied to the same story but explained differently
So what I got from this;
The Dad (The Writer) and the Mother (The Star) had a Child (Mei), who had looked up to her Mother and not her Father, (her Father didn't blame her, supporting her through it) eventually, Mei had made it to the Screen and she did well. With both the Mom and Dad being proud. Although this was short lived as a problem with Mei had come up. The father had basically blown all his resources and money to get Doctors who said nothing was wrong leading him to believe she was "Possessed", leading to the Wife feeling outcasted making her leave to return to her old Career. But the Dad was still *Devoted* too saving his Daughter. This had lead him to seek the mentor who had told him to show how devoted he really was then told him to put Mei in a Tub full of Snake Wine and leaving her alone. This lead to Mei probably ingesting some of this wine, making her Drunk. This in turn made Mei pass out and Drown in the Tub as we had seen in "Chapter 2: Nostalgia" which had shown her doll in the Tub... *BUT HEY THAT'S JUST A THEORY, A GAME THEO-* ok I'll stop...
Edit: Oh and more proof to her drowning in the Tub is her appearing in the Bathroom Door when your on the Couch watching her on Screen, and after you enter the Bathroom.
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Hey! Really good theory, but I remember during the last part the Mentor telling the Father to leave Mei Shin in the bathroom for seven days so maybe she starved to death or ate the snake and was poisoned
@@TenYasha897 Oh I must have not caught the 7 Days part... but I still remember the Drowning part.
Fastblaze 71
Yeah it's totally fine I mean Cory also didn't catch that part, it was a little hard to spot but nonetheless it was good theory dude
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good poop
Cory: “Okay they said ignore everything in here”
Some dude: 👁👄👁 “hey”
Cory: 👀
I literally cried 😭🤣
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Cory: AND I OOP- 👀
i think the daughter was suffering from a mental illness and panic or anxiety attacks. that's why whenever she went to the doctors, they could never find anything physically wrong. i thought this mostly because she said stuff about her chest hurting and breathing difficulties specifically when she thinks about things that are stress and anxiety inducing (can't remember the exact instances) and her "cure" was making tulips which is a distraction and a short term deterrent. I thought when the dad said "My daughter's not a lunatic" it was a hint to her having a mental illness. Furthermore, in a lot of cultures, mental illness is mistaken for possession and demonism, which kind of explains why the dad assumed she was possessed, and why most things weren't helping to cure her.
yeah she was having panic attacks because of what was happening at home
nice hypothesis
This reminds me of Arrhythmia
I agree completely. See my own comment for why.
Exactly a mental illness is a taboo. Probably it started early because the parents put on the daughter the burden of becoming famous like her mother. Asian cultures stress a lot becoming important, useful or successful in life.
This game is a masterpiece. I’m surprised I haven’t heard many people talk about it and even less play it. This is how you write a horror game. So many layers and themes to it. It was creepy, beautiful, tragic, horrific and it didn’t hand the audience the answers.
Chinese government sent a horde of 5mao to negatively review the game. It bombed and had to be removed from Steam. After a few years the original company is finally selling it by themselves.
This game takes place in Taiwan during the 80s, which I can tell y'all for a fact, as a Taiwan native myself, was VERY HEAVILY religious. Mental illness at that time was considered a stigma, a mark of disgrace and since the family were once very well-known within the entertainment industry, you can imagine the despair the father felt when he was informed his daughter was diagnosed with 'being a lunatic'. Anyone back in the day, people would rather trust a cultist, like Mentor Heuh, than a legitimate psychiatrist. Unfortunately, what happened to Mei Shin was likely quite frequent at that time. Hell, even in modern days. I read somewhere that a mom was convinced to starve her son for a week, like an exorcism of a sort, just to get him quite smoking.
The saddest part is that Mei Shin may not even be sick in the first place, but was suffering severe anxiety from all the pressure the parents were putting on her (with the piano lessons, performing on live TV and of course, academic wise).
Btw, Mei Shin likely died from alcohol poisoning. I think this would happen to anyone when they bathe in snake wine for a fucking week so...
Ok so around the middle of the game, the father “drowned” and came back out of the tub. Soon after that we saw the daughter run past him and we had to go into all the different times completing different tasks. I believe that from that point, the father was living thru a somewhat of a purgatory state b/c he had to look back at wat he did. We can infer that he did in fact kill the daughter in the tub and he was in the tub because he tried a desperate attempt to save her wen he realized wat he had done. I feel like he would have gone to hell but the daughter was like watching over him. Ok hear me out. We had parts with the POV of mei shin which was like the daughter showing him the error of his ways and how the “compromised lungs” were anxiety(at least mostly). The father relived his worst moments as a form of reflection so he could see wat he did. The parts with the “evil” version of the daughter were like the embodiment of wat the father THOUGHT mei shin was. This entity somewhat haunted him as further punishment. But he also relived good memories so he could see how things changed and how his daughters love never left no matter what. In the end, the daughter was walking thru like an imagination world type thing slowly, almost like she was waiting for someone(cough cough her father) to catch up. The singing in the background kinda had the message of “even tho things have changed I still wonder wat will come next and still have hope”. Notice how there were a man AND woman singing that part and I think that could be mei shin and her father (showing how even tho the father messed up they r still together). Anyway, we can infer that that the father also drowned himself after his daughter died (from the moment before he came outa the tub wen he was drowning in the room). Wen the father got close to mei shin, she started to run away as if she could finally be free. But then she waited again in the playground (remember how before in her letters she dreamt of going to the park with her family). She finally gets up and says “let’s go daddy” showing that she has forgiven him and that they can finally be together in the after life. THANK U FOR READING THIS I HOPE I COULD MAKE SENSE OF IT FOR SOME PPL HOPE CORY SEES THIS SARANGHAE!!!!
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Your comment makes the most sense. It is really good.😮 Nice work!🙂👌 I agree with everything I read. This comment IS the story. But the Father dying, too?🤔 That's rather odd. Wait! He was the only one watching TV (or looking at a television). I think he's just the only one left now.
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sub 2 me ok im subbing to you
This game is so deep
Aqua Girl i actually agree
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@@spinelizardxx2zw nice profile pic 😂
So in the first scene when the wife is asking “Where is Mei Shin?” Is the dad then still alive and in that scene the wife has come back and doesn’t know that the father has killed their daughter?!
spxoxo I think Mei Shin drowned in the alcohol bath for 6 days, then he found out that she died and then killed himself for the guilt. At the end Mei Shin forgave him in the afterlife. That’s what I got from piecing it together
spxoxo I think after the father died and the mother came back and she thought he was still alive so that’s why she questioned him?
Itsa_a_me_boring_ Child thx makes me happy dat they life happy in the after life
@@tomoeitoch. she actually died of alcohol poisoning
@@tomoeitoch. I think it's about the father "reliving" this life since in Buddhist belief if you commit suicide, then you will be stuck living in the same life over and over again. What I believe what happened is that the dad is reliving the life he had to find out what he did wrong. And once he did, he will live in that life over and over again. It's really sad cause if the father just listen to the doctor and let his daughter go to therapy and listen to the scammer then he wouldn't be in the predicament he is in now.
26:30 "ignore anything you hear" **Cory turns to look who is talking to him** **FacePalm**
Jupuxafrud Benjamin I thought I was the only one!!!
Jupuxafrud Benjamin sameeeee
I was so pissed at Cory I was yelling at him through the screen lol
But it was the best thing to do since the mentor was the true villain of the story
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I have anxiety and I have obsessive-compulsive disorder. What people don't realise is that OCD can be "pure O", or purely obsessive, intrusive thoughts. In the segment where the father was walking through the snakes and the blood, Mei Shin says, "I'll start imagining bad things happening. I often get the feeling that I can't get enough air, then I can't sleep. I'll fear that I'll never wake up from my dreams." This is EXACTLY what it feels like to struggle with the vicious cycle that is anxiety and OCD.
I've had horrifying intrusive thoughts and imaginings that make me feel like my heart is going to explode, and while every rational part of your mind says that xyz will never happen, or that your loved one is safe, your misfiring brain will try its hardest to convince you that you're on the verge of having a heart attack, or that the reason your loved one isn't responding to a text is because they've had a horrible accident and are dead or dying in a ditch somewhere, and it spirals, and it feels like you have a cement block on your chest when you try to breathe.
Sometimes, when the therapy and medication isn't enough, finding something small to take pleasure in and distract yourself with (like origami tulips) is enough to soften the all-too-sharp edges of an episode.
I empathise with Mei Shin so much. People calling you a faker, saying you're doing things for attention, family trying to cure you with prayer instead of admitting you have a mental illness, etc. This poor little girl. This game is truly the story of a tragedy.
@@prole4943 username checks out
Cory: * plants a flower, watches it sink into the pot, and walks away *
Also Cory: * flower sprouts * “hELLo!?”
Good game. 10/10. Even though I never played it and just watched you really get connected with the characters and even feel sympathy for them as for Mei Shin past away, I feel sad. Same goes with the father. All the father wanted was to help his daughter but in the end made it worse. It really shows a parents love for there child. Also what I really like is that Mei Shin forgives her father for everything.
Jadon Bergen you are right
10/10 hell naww lol
Cj Harris you just have boring interests and would like every detail to be spoon-fed to you like a baby because things get too deep for your brain
Serani Poji facts
@@plschokeme its 30 minute too long the whole devotion chapter was ineteresting asf and the only redemable part was the recorded cassette one in this arc
"i walked into the wrong kkk rally" lmao cory chill out
breuh that’s what makes cory funny
Wait there is a right kkk rally?
Best joke ever
What is a " kkk rally " I'm confused
@@Nobody-kg8sz I suppose it's a sort of big reunion between members of the KKK, where they do things such as promoting their agenda, or some shit like that
MY DUDE REALLY OUT HERE LEAVING MEI SHIN IN A BATHTUB FOR A WEEK
IN ALCOHOL WITHOUT EVER FEEDING HER EITHER
That dumbass father and crazy bitch mentor hu! 😭 What you don’t understand is that it’s snake wine and the snake could have been alive. We see a snake in the game. It might be the father imagining the worse but there are cases where snakes survived being trapped in alcohol
I don't understand how the dad would think being possessed is better than having mental problems, cuz I'm pretty sure having some stress problems is much better than having some demon inside you
because back then in asia, demon was indeed a better excuse than a mental illness. (I am also an asia, and that common thought is no longer exist, but some people still see mental illness as something shameful or crazy)
Being lunatic is shame to most people in Asia.
Annie96 likee
his thought process was likely that her being mentally ill meant that something was actually wrong with her, while her being possessed would just mean that something else was messing with her and it wasn’t their “fault” ig.
This game is so deep. My roommate and I watched this together and since she speaks chinese she says its so much more chilling as the story unfolds and as she pieces together what happened.
Li Fang.. should've took her daughter with her. Granted, she didnt expect her husband would actually kill her under his watch but she knew he was unstable.
This "saving face" culture we have is extremely toxic esp when it comes to married life.. My momma always said if my husband ever treated me wrong, I take my children and go back to her ASAP no hesitation.
Wow
I think the mom left, the daughter didn’t win the contest and she got stressed, so the dad thought she was possessed Bc she didn’t win, so the dad did all that stuff and then he eventually unintentionally killed his daughter but he realized what he did when he heard the tape. Now with the wife gone and the daughter dead and he has no money, he sits and stares at a blank screen in the dark
Ashleh well damn, took the words out of my mouth
Well done i think thats it
Yup
Probably, but I feel good knowing that in the ghost survivors universe where good endings are always possible you can atleast save your daughter. Wife is still gonna leave you though
From what I’ve gathered, the mom left because the dad was acting crazy and claiming the wife as possessed hence why the wife is depicted as a monster in the game because this is through the father’s perspective. Mei Shin has an anxiety disorder that’s why the doctor wrote that there was no physical problem and the dad didn’t accept that her daughter might have a mental problem cause he thinks that’ll mean Mei Shin is a lunatic. He goes to his mentor to do a ritual that’ll make Mei Shin better even though folding flowers helped her anxiety. He does the ritual in the bathtub and calls the mentor. The mentor tells him not to enter, when he calls again the mentor doesn’t pick up. He goes into the bathroom and we can assume the daughter died in the bathtub. The father probably committed suicide hence why Mei Shin is like let’s come home.
Cory's screams are scarier than the jumpscares!!!!
Alexandria Williams i swearrrrrrrrrrr
Ya lol
Tom and Jerry scream
bruh
Ik right I almost got on trouble by my mom because she thought my phone was being loud but he had screamed XD... I love it when he yells because it always make me laugh!
A little bit context to the "shadow realm" part of the game. The "guan ling rite" is actually a real thing in Chinese culture, and whats scary is, a lot of the stuff the mentor talked about (everything being dark, follow the light of lamps, don't look at anything else, chant the mantra, etc.) during the "shadow realm", I actually used to hear these stuff from my mother a lot, who believes in Budhism. The whole "shadow realm" part, to me at least, is a really good representation of what kind of religion the "Ci Gu Guan Yin" religion is like, and makes it a LOT scarier because these stuff is actually part of our daily life.
Heres the brief summary of the story:
1980 they got married and moved to a new house, thus the first segment of gameplay (putting stuff in their place), the husband is a successful script writer, and the mother is an actress. They are going to have a child, but the child wasn't born yet.
1985 the child has panic attacks a lot due to stress of performing on stage and the pressure from everyone's expectations AND the growing financial problem of the family due to the father running out of good writing ideas. And the promised trip to Ali mountain which would cheer her up a lot got canceled due to a typhoon. Thus came the panic attacks. The daughter was scared of medical treatment because of all the pain, the father's heart is broken at this sight, thus he seeked out a different approach to cure his daughter (the scene where you pull out the needles), which is religion. But at the same time, he poured a lot more love into her daughter and stayed by her side more, even bought her a story book and read it to her, which made her happy, which decreased her panic attacks and heart problems. She got better, but the father mistook that for the religion's doings, so he became devoted to the religion.
1986 the financial problem grew worse, and the family quarrel occured. The daughter heard them fighting, and also heard about part of the problem being the father spending money on the religion, which she interpreted as its her fault, which gave her a giant panic attack. And THEN the mom left the house to make money, which made the daughter's condition even worse. You see on her creative writing paper that she had to erase "My family consists of me, my father and my mother" because her mother was no longer there. All these reasons made her suffer from panic attacks even more severely then the one last year. The father, desperate, would do anything to help his daughter. Which the only thing he knew that could help is the mentor's guidance. The mentor saw his desperation and scammed him for one last time (probably won't be able to after this because the daughter would be dead and he wouldn't believe in her anymore), gave him a task that which he would be bound at home for 7 days and fled the place. So the father locked her daughter in the bathroom, soaked her in snake wine for 7 days and didn't let her out, and as the days go by he got worried and contacted the mentor, whom stopped answering his calls after some time. The seven days finally passed and he opened the bathroom door.
Now there are two interpretations here in Taiwan about this ending:
1. The daughter is fuckin dead and he sat on the couch, lost all will to live and stares blankly at the television, imagining the "Flawless Present" he wanted (the after credit scene)
2. He opened the door and found no one there, because the mother came back once and found this horrific stuff going on and sent the daughter to the hospital, which saved her life. The father didn't know about this OR his is under custody so he stared blankly at the television on the couch reflecting on his mistakes.
Obviously the first one is more possible so that probably is the canon ending.
I agree, some parts of the gameplay could’ve made the story more evident to the player. But rather than the regular jump-scare based horror game, it actually had substance even if it left the player with more questions than answers. In my eyes the thought provoking story makes it a pretty unique horror game.
Like Little Nightmares.
@@JohnPerry27 i agree
Cory: "I walked into the *wrong* KKK rally"
Me: There's such a thing as a *right* KKK rally? heck no.
so True dude
Stinkyink agreed
Lokey true
Big Facts
Yeah the one with the Klan ribs🍖
I got put in my feels by the song at the end
*I can't be the only one ':/
No cap i felt it to 😭
That song was lit! And so did I
46:00 i just love that the voice actors for father, daughter, mother are also a family.
hope the father doesn’t seek out a mentor
@@charmainezara LMAO BRUH💀💀😂😂😂😂
How do you know?
-Cory I HAVE A GOOD MEMORY!
5 minutes later
Was that picture there before
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Cory his daughter died when the mentor told u to submerge her in whine for a week he was so devoted and didn’t realize wht he had done and when he went to the bathroom he realized tht she has died and the mentor stops answering his calls thts wht tht ending was when he went to the bathroom and it was all white she died since he left her submerged in the wine
on point
So she basically drowned?
@@luvy6ns Basically. But, it's clear that the father was depressed afterwards because of that. It's so UPSETTING
richietheratt yup. even cory said it if you’ve watched both episodes because in the first one the room filled up and that’s when cory said “she drowned..”
@@theaitokyo That was more of an "assumption" than him just saying because he knew it from the sound of his voice
3:25 cory’s first instinct when he hears a noise
*HELLO?!*
I would start running. Black mans can't be staying and dying ya know 😂😂😂
you know we talkin bout cory right?
@@Squirrel_Bits I like your profile pic. 😂👌
*me*
Whats good niyyga
So basically his daughter had like anxiety and panic attacks, and the mentor was lying, and he began believing that she was possessed. Blah blah blah the wife leaves, blah blah he puts his daughter in the wine bath for 6 WHOLE DAYS with the door locked, and she dies. And then he dies. Boom, the whole thing in a nutshell
You have kinda the right idea, but not really.
Daughter has a mental illness
dad starts trying to find cure because he dont wabt to accept that she is infact mentally ill
mom thinks dad is crazy and thinks of leaving
dad thinks mom is agaisnt him and threatens her, mom had to leave by herself
Dad goes crazy with religous medication things
Daughter dies
Dad dies
I have a feeling that what happened: Mr. Du was happily married to Li Feng with a daughter, mei shin. Mei shin came down with a lung condition, or what I thought, severe anxiety and had to take medication for it. Mr. Du was distraught and swore that his daughter wasn't sick. Mr. Du devoted himself to an entity named Cigo Guanyin, which, if you look it up, was a mercy goddess. Li got tired of this since her family was losing money and left Du with Mei shin still sick. Du continued to devote himself to this practice and neglected his own kid so she could get "better". The "mentor" told him to make a serpent wine and pour it into a bath to "cleanse" Mei Shin. Mei shin, being as small as she is, probably drowned in this wine, hence why you see a bunch of references to water when hearing about mei shin. Once Du opened the bathroom door to see the horrific scene, he most likely couldn't take it. The whole gameplay was flashbacks with twists until up to that point. Which is probably when you hear Mei Shin say "Daddy, let's go home", meaning that he most likely committed suicide and right up until that point, his family life flashed before his eyes.
But again, this is just a hunch. :)
Spoiler/Clear understanding of the ending of Devotion:
Cory you are correct about her getting dying (Mei Shin) and him getting scammed. You remember when the father tore up the paper while saying "She is not crazy" i think while that is true since she only had anxiety and or a thing similar to that (a mental distorter) because her parents as you can tell were always fighting and them telling her do do her best to become a star. But he didn't want to believe it so he prayed and went to this so called "God" which was really just a scam but he actually got really obsessed with all these thing saying that god will cure her and stuff and she said to do all these things but you know how the bathroom door was always locked? That is because you know by the end she (the person on the phone) that was the last thing to do which was to 'cure' her by following the instructions on the "Serpant wine ritual" so he filled the bathtub up and put the wine in there and he actually locked the door and left her in there for 7 days (we're not sure if she died of hunger or alcohol poisoning) but she died and when he actually went and opened the door which led to the white ending playing = That he realized what he had done and he had noticed that she had died/he had killed her and what i think what happened after she said 'Lets go home daddy' means that she wants him to die or something so that he could go to heaven with her but i know for sure (i actually dont know) that he had gone crazy because of that and you can see when he played that tape recorder everyone who went to that so called god were mad since that 'cure' didn't work and one person had almost died cause of it. The game spared us from actually seeing Mei Shing's body though. It should have been a horrendous scene in the bathroom after we opened the door in the end, but it instead led us into a cutscene and a song, whose lyrics implied that Mei Shing still forgave her dad before she died, after all of this. It also made clear that the whole game was about Du's spiritual journey to his own horrible past and the subsequent resolution with his sin. Well thats all i really got to say since it seemed like you kind of didnt understand the games ending ;)
Honestly should be top comment 💯💯
Ram Gaut oh my goooooooooooooooooooo
Daaaaaamn my man sitting here writing a whole book
But I have to say that is a good speculation
thank you i was confused
Bring back cooking with 🗡 Xkenshin like if he should
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Crysta Princess1 we’ll probably get one the next big holiday
no...cooing with kenshin is a very sacred video format which is only for every million we reach
Its going to be coming soon
@@anantrawat2311 no its not... if its only for every million and cory has 3 million, then that means he would have only made three... (Oh and BTW, he made one a 400k subs)
he gotta make it
44:28
It's a poem... Poems aren't explicit, they're labyrinthine. This entire game was structured around an artistic style of presentation.
(I know I'm 9 months late, don't judge me)
Bruh...I'm a fricken year and a half late!!!!
@@uchennaajagu9697 and im two years late
@@hirosaigo8187 I’m 3 years late
@@melcouth guys you wont believe how late I am
@@ratpiss147I'm really really late 😭
The dad did actually kill himself because at the end Mei Shen says: "Daddy let's go home."
you still exist?
@@Gesu1 yeah
@@drumKitAkaMSYG nice
And the mother was she still alive?
Don't know It didn't say, but I think she's still alive
50 minutes of my time NOT wasted.
I didn’t even realize the video was 50 minutes 😅
A good way that I liked how they indicated she died was at the end credits. She was talking about how she folded so many flowers while the dad was following the flowers and then the flowers stopped. That’s a good symbol right there that there are no more flowers to follow because she can’t make anymore cus she died.
the mother’s prodigy song is so beautiful, it made me cry in the credits. i really like this game. i think that the ambiguity is a great part of the game and i often like works that are more ambiguous because they allow the audience’s interpretation and personally that keeps me more attentive and invested than when the answers are all directly presented in front of me. great playthrough as always, cory. i enjoyed this a lot
so, i think Mei Shin’s real problem was anxiety, which could have been treated by a psychiatrist (which was recommended by her doctor in the game) but her dad was freaked out her mental illness (he says “MY DAUGHTER IS NOT A LUNATIC!”) so he completely abandoned doctors all together and focused solely on praying to Shigu Guanyin. of course the mentor was scamming him and wasn’t really trying to help. so she probably told him some way to “cure” Mei Shin, which involved making “snake wine.” (remember the part where there was a giant snake in the red liquid and Mei Shin was pushed in?) so the mentor told him that he would need to make the snake wine in the bathtub, and do not open the bathroom door, and it may take up to 7 days, he just needs to “have faith in Mei Shin.” so i think that he made the snake wine in the tub, and drowned Mei Shin, because perhaps the mentor told him that Shigu Guanyin would resurrect her in 7 days and she would be cleared of all her illnesses (because he had shown his devotion) and he just needed to wait and not look into the bathroom. and of course, after 7 days, Mei Shin was still dead. that’s just my theory :)
mothman i don't think she drowned. the mentor said not to open the door for a whole week and so mei shin probably starved to death.
amber colored yeah you’re right, that was another thought i had, that could totally be it. also we don’t know what “snake wine” is, so it could have poisoned her or something?
mothman snake wine is made by soaking a snake in rice wine or grain alcohol and i was thinking that mei shin might've gotten alcohol poisoning by absorbing the wine through her skin since she bathed in it especially for SEVEN DAYS. the mentor was definitely trying to murder her through her dad.
amber colored TOTALLY. i remember the mom telling Mei Shin not to trust the mentor, and clearly she had a good reason not to!
@@ambercolored3090 Nah, you can live more than a week without food.
Cory: "Uuuhhnnnggguuuhhuuhhgggaaahhhughuh LIKE BUTTON!" 😂😂😂
We ain't even a minute into the video, and I'm already rolling. Cory is hilarious!
He sure is!!
Can you play kindgarden 2 I samurai sliced that like button ☺
Nick Gaming KINDERGARDEN
4OV3R LIF3 lmao we all make mistakes
@@algebradberry9671 its kindergarten....
Yesss
Nick Gaming your stupid
46:28
Cory: "We don't get to see it, I WANNA SEE THE DAUGHTER IN THE TUB!!!"
Me: Woah there Cory!
Honestly, I wanted to see her in the tub too.
Cory's memory and observational skills are insane.
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@@DropHuncho umm
@@DropHuncho umm
Drop Huncho umm
@@DropHuncho umm
To everyone, Kong said slice that like button.
Cory said what he said after Kong spoke.
Thanks man
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Roxin melon nah he didn’t
I’m so sorry, I was too excited to comment
So the wife left him and the daughter wanted to see his mom.
Dad got report that her daughter needs to go a mental health hospital stuff .
He did not believe that
The mentor was a scam
And the god was a demon
Harvesting on father suffering
Demanding body parts of him
Father was so in the devotion that he did not see it
That bathtub one was pretty easy to guess that mentor wanted the child to be killed
Now it's not like the game said that the child is dead or alive.
I think it's very likey that the daughter is dead
He sees her child in a playground
Like the last wish before I go.
But he don't clearly get to touch her daughter or see her eyes because she is gone.
Now the game cuts.
I think in the aftermath
He has lost everything in devotion.
I think he killed himself too in devotion too.
Only the wife lives I guess
so he actually lost those body parts? wtf i thought it was just in his head
Jorsh The Seiryu I mean the game doesn’t tell you if he done it or not in real life :/
I don't think the mentor wanted Mei Shin to die. She was prolly pulling some crap outta her ass when she told him to put her in a snake wine bath and not enter the room. She prolly didn't think the girl would drown afterward, which is what I assume happened.
I think the mentor want to kill him too by making him suicide cus he will report her bcs shes a scammer
Sounds about right
11:55 i love that he was sayin "i don't wanna go forward" that must be what the protagonist was also feeling,, he didn't wanna relive the memories but hes facing them now so
I couldn't stand the ritual where he mutilated himself bro. Aghh... his tongue.. I thought it was bad when he took the ice cream scoop to the eye. But then he went and barbecue forked his tongue.
Saaaaame bro that sh was wild!
The way you said it made me laugh so hard😂😂😂😂😂
I was like *I couldn't watch this, I really can't* Then I end up watching it and it's scary
And after he ripped out his tongue he was chanting
*how*
@@Jords250 *magic* But in all seriousness, the whole scene of him ripping body parts was very disturbing and disgusting AHHHHH
Cory: Alright guys so we're supposed to ignore everything we see and hear
Also Cory: *_immediately disobeys_*
This is my theory-
Maybe his daughter suffered anxiety, that's why she probably was Ok when she was doing stuff she liked, and would rather be in the closet singing,without people watching her. The father might have gotten mad that she got so nervous on stage; "Why wont you sing?!". (Maybe her chest pain were panic attacks). On the other hand, her father was in denial of that, that's why he said "My daughter is not a lunatic!" when the doctor recommended seeing a Psychiatris. So he reached out to that lady and convinced himself she was possesed and her soul was captured. Once again, I could be wrong, its just what I picked up from it.
This is exactly what I thought. And when the doctors recommended psychiatric care, the father took it as her daughter being crazy. She probably would've been treated for panic disorder.
that makes sense now that we know that in that one scene when she was in the classroom and she was panicking while looking at her classmates and how at the end of her dream, she was having a panic attack when she woke up. 18:52
41:55. Loving the music. It’s kinda healing my traumatized soul.
Yes, the father killed his daughter by leaving Mei Shin in the bathroom for SEVEN days and ignore any sounds coming from the bathroom on instruction of the mentor as seen in the last part with the phone call. Now, it is unclear how she died, I think she either starved to death or ate the snake/drank the wine and was poisoned. From the beginning we see that when the father goes to wash his hands he sees blood on it probably symbolizing that he caused the death of his daughter and again when Li Fang, the mother, comes back and says "Where's Mei Shin?" Could also be evidence of Mei Shin's death. This is just my theory tho.
Or possibly drowned
you are totally right, that was the part where li fang came back to the house asking where mei shine was. But even du feng yu died because if the injuries on his tongue and eyes, at the last it says "daddy let's go home" meaning that in afterlife the dad realised how blinded and cruel he was and enjoyed his afterlife with his daughter
I've been waiting for this.
*gets popcorn and relaxes comfortably*
scarlett skie SAME
Same
26:20 "ignore everything you see and hear" *walks in* "Hey, Hey..." *instantly looks*
That's so cory lol
Ha
the tongue being scooped out... THIS AINT IT. NUH-UH. IM NEVER STICKING MY TONGUE OUT EVER AGAIN.
yeah ngl it made me sick, I shouldn't have watched this hhh
Why did the ending sound like a whole anime outro ..
Fr
Exactly
So true
A dope one to
Hokage Jack it did sound like
I feel bad for the dad. He was tricked to going to his "mentor" for help with his daughter sickness. If you think about it whatever the mentor did helped but it only helped temporarily so the dad could spend more money and come back over and over again. I think because it helped (even if it was for a little bit) he ignored his wife and kept going back. Even when the doctor said you should see psychiatric doctor, he was too far gone and believed that his daughter was perfect and it had to be something possessing her. His wife had enough and left. His daughter only got worse and possibly died. (All assumptions)
I agree
YOYlo Marley No, I don’t think it was because he thought she was “perfect”. Keep in mind that metal illnesses in the 80’s was taboo and so the father didn’t want to believe that his daughter was “crazy” or “mentally retarded”
I kinda think of it as the father trying to redeem himself for causing his wife to leave and for his failing writing career
I kinda blame the dad, his wife trying to tell him that what he do is wrong but he keep being a traditional old man that trust everything about this weird medical treatment instead of a real doctor
The mentor didn’t help the first time. The reason mei xin got better was because her father folded the tulips with her relieving the anxiety which was causing the breathing disorder. The father mistook it as the cult being the reason she got better but mei xin literally says it herself saying she knows what made her better and that was her father loving her. 😭 that evil bitch mentor hu and stupid ass father.
26:20 Cory said “ ignore anything in here” AND THEN PROCEEDS TO LOOK AT THE PERSON TO HIS RIGHT. SMH where his black instincts now?
cory: it said ignore everything in here
guy hey... hey.
cory: *looks*
I remember Kong! Cory went to his wedding a few years back. Anyone else remember that?
I remember! Wasn't it during that video game that was like happy wheels?
It was Guts and Glory or something
Yeah I remember that.
Same it was a was a wedding with his friend in a happy wheel video he was invited to
bgperm67 ofc I remember that
*OK SO BASICALLY*
Mom is a superstar
Dad is a bad script writer
Daughter is very talented, even though she lost the singing contest.
Dad forces mom to quit acting and singing
The relation starts falling apart
Daughter gets affected by the arguing
Daughter gets anxiety, panic attacks etc.
Dad goes to fake mentor
Mom tells dad to stop
Dad thinks mom is possesed
Mom leaves
Dad makes serpent wine and a lot of useless sacrifices
Dad puts daughter in serpent wine so she can be healed
She drowns
Yeah
Just your typical family
How did she drown in a bathtub?
@@ifacecamp717 breathed in the water most likely. Thats usually how people drown.
@@lobsters12111 but who tf is dumb enough to drown in a bathtub? She didnt drown cuz obviously she could've just stepped out of the tub. She was locked in the bathroom and died of thirst and starvation
You would die of thirst before you would die of starvation tho the bathroom does have a sink so water was fine. So it’s obvious she starved to death. But even tho she died because him the ending seems like she forgives him cause he only wanted to save her.
”My Man Is An Official Pirate Now, He Has One Eye-” -Cory 2019
Ok
The saddest thing about this whole series to me is that the only thing “wrong” with the daughter was the fact she struggled with crippling anxiety and that some simple therapy of some sort would have helped her with that but the father misunderstood the referral to the mental side of the hospital.
26:33 @coryxkenshin "Ignore everything in here."
*Looks straight to the voice speaking 2 seconds later*
Me: *facepalms*
Yeah she’s confirmed dead because in the last scene when he was sitting in one of the three chairs, he’s alone which means his wife left him and his daughter is dead.
It's suggested that he killed himself and met his daughter in the afterlife.
The most quiet I’ve heard Cory
40:00 - 44:23
When he kept looking to the side when the instructions said not to, I got so damn mad. Omgggg 😫😂.
A 50 minute video?!?!? God is really good today
yes, he tastes great
What? Lmao. I'm sorry I don't mean to offend you but god never made this video, Cory did.
You would think bc you’re the FBI you’d comment on how they said God taste great. But *sips tea* that’s none of my business 🍵
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@@lazeas2681 Yes officer this man *right here*
The part that mei shin was running into the light was so beautiful made me cry and the song made me so sad
Cory I found out that the father had locked the daughter in the bathroom in wine and snake blood for a week and in the ending when he finds out the ritual is a scam he went to check the bathroom but when he went in their she was dead and the ending scenes is of her in the after life
0:20....
Somehow I already knew what he was saying...since Cory is always talking about slicing the like button
That's how I knew what Kong was saying
I thought it meant Samurai Slice the like button lol
Edit:thx 4 the 100 likes I never got this much likes before
Gameboiy Pro 😂😂😂it basically did
Same
Who is ready for SpookyScarySundays!
Meee!!!
me to
Meee
I may not be able to sleep tonight but HEX NAW IM PREPARED!
Ye!
But did she win the singing contest?
Mqndrew 45 right 😂
No
Gracq Julien How did you know?
Probably cuz she got that respiration problems..
@@raikou8625 cause they never show u
"I want to see the daughter in the tub" -Coryxkenshin 2019
😂😂😂
Mei Shin was forced to be a child star and the fight between her parents skyrocketed her anxiety level significantly. This led to her "sickness", losing the singing competition (89:88) as well as her child star career. Even though Du (the father) didn't blame Mei but he couldn't allow her dear daughter to be suffered from that "sickness". At first, Du was seeking help from the doctors but they all had concluded that Mei was not sick (well physically) and suggested Du to seek help from psychiatric doctor. This is where Du got angry and returned to Mentor Heuh because he believed that Mei was not crazy, she just "possessed" by something evil and since the folk deity Cigu Guanyin "cured" her daughter once (luckily), Mei should be recovered by the almighty power of Cigu as previous. So Du started to "all-in" his resources and money, making Li Fang (the mother) left the house and returned to her star career for money and for the sake of her family. However, Du was tricked by the mentor, Mei was forced to be sank in the tub that full of snake wine for 7 days and in the end, she was "accidentally drowned" by her father. Li Fang was then returned, and when she found out that Mei was dead due to the stupid ritual, her mental immediately breakdown and killed Du with a knife for murdering their child (hint from the female paper doll holding a knife).
Du's spirit was then trapped in his sin. In Chinese cultural, especially Buddhism, believes that all spirits are extremely afraid of the one who killed them with their bare hands, this is why Du was chased down by the ghost (Li Fang) throughout the game. Like a cycle, Du will experience all these scenarios again and again unless he is ready to face his sin (open the bathroom door), admit that it was his fault to let Mei drowned from the ritual and scammed by Mentor Heuh as well as the Cigu Guanyin. So for the one last time, Du chose to believe that he was scammed (after listening to the tape recorder) and this whole thing was his fault, he opened the bathroom door, accepted his sin, and left the cycle with his dearest daughter. Mei didn't blame for her father's mistakes. In fact, this angelic child believes that her father was just trying to help her and waiting Du to open the bathroom door so that he can be freed from the sins cycle.
*GOGOGOGOGOOGOGOGOGOGOGOOGO*
You know this gonna be good.
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waiting for that double upload....
*you promised*
same
Exactly
This is good enough cuz it's 50 minutes
VapeX *stares at Cory intensely* 👀
Me to
Corry is oblivious sometimes, if he would look around it would make a whole lotta sense. At the very end before you walk into the bathroom the floor is flooded. Meaning yes she did drown inside the bathroom. The game is all about imagery and if you don't take the time to read or look at the designs and visuals you'll miss out on a lot of the story.
Exactly
I don’t think she drowned it was probably alcohol poisoning, it she was drowning he wouldn’t have heard her calling for him during the show
Cory hears a plant:HELLO! Me:um..Cory😂😂😂
Number one question what was the daughter’s score??🤨😂
Fortnite_ Boss1245 she didn't win because you can tell because her face was a little on uneasy
88 likes?
ITS OVER 9000!!!!!!!
88. right on a newspaper pinned on the board(not sure which year though) indicating she failed in the contest
Fortnite_ Boss1245 right!!???
At 2:46 Cory made me laugh so much 😂😂😂
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Drop Huncho no
@@DropHuncho I gotchu
One of the big symbolic things that solidify that Mei Shin died in the bathroom is a moment that got cut off at 38:49.
There's a single incense stick in the bathroom door vent. Incense sticks are usually lit in bundles of three or so for prayers and ceremonies. But single incense sticks are usually used as an offering for the dead.
This is a huge cultural symbol though, so it can be frustrating for non-incense using cultures because they won't know this significance.
"I WANT TO SEE THE DAUGHTER IN THE TUB"
Aye yo CORY, I understand you want to see some GUD GUD BITS but boy, *the F.B.I. is up here, you can't be doing that*
So that dumb dad did a sacrifice (removed his eyeball and tongue) because she was possed. THAT DIDNT WORK! Then he put her in serpent wine for a week! OBVIOUSLY she died! THATS JUST SAD!
The dad wasn’t dumb...he was just trying to help her because he loved her so much he in the end was dead the daughter loved him just like he loved her with all the hearts he was devoted to helping her he put her in the tub thinking it would heal her he did the sacrifice BECAUSE he wanted to help yet the wife didn’t care
U didnt understand what he meant at all. He was trying to suggest a way to confirm that she was dead in the bath tub.
So So its just a joke calm down
@@Welove_sosa ayo six?
Cory where that double upload at mah boi
Righttttt!!!
alexander albayero EXACTLY!
That is 100% true he said that yesterday
'I woke up next to you again' looks interesting.
alexander albayero lol he just posted
The ending music gave me Life is Strange vibes
Cory: "I'MMA TURN AROUND"
Also Cory: "NO DON'T DO IT DON'T DO IT" The true sound of Cory fighting his 2 personalities 😂
50 minutes with Cory YAY!!!😛😝
Lol I'm scrolling and see this I check and I'm ded
Yay! Brightens my day!
He’s done 2 hours
Ok so for those of you who didn't understand this, Mei Shin was never actually sick. She suffered from severe anxiety. However one time that she was actually sick, he took her to the mentor and she got better. So her dad started thinking the mentor had performed a miracle. Around the time that she started almost being forced to perform, her anxieties got worse and worse so the mentor not only told the dad to pray to Cigu Guanyin, where he wasted all his money and eventually caused his wife to leave him, but also attempted a ritual that consisted of locking his daughter in the bathroom in a bathtub full of wine. She was locked there for 7 straight days with no food or water, eventually dying of alcohol poisoning. It's...unclear weather the dad is dead or not but there are implications that he committed suicide shortly after Mei Shin died.
If i have to say something bad about this is that the whole trip trough the underworld felt unnecessary
Paragraph warning 😉
It was pretty disturbing but I wouldn't take it out
@Varius Binder It's not the disturbing bit that bothers me, hell i love disturbing. I just felt it was unnecessary and din't contribute all that much
I think the dad shouldn’t have had a child
@@Ashurman666 yeah now I get what you mean
Cory i took chinese for 9 years and that intro was spicy 😂😂
Parts Unknown what does it say?
what it sayyy😭
To be fair i only rember colors and how tl say mine and others names, number,and some sentences but i couldnt understand that one s
Srry
Parts Unknown how do you say Elijah in Chinese
@@ElijahGamesAgario the way to say Elijah in Chinese is actually Spelled Elijah believe or not
2:55
*hears piano*
Me: starts crying after remembering grave of the fireflies
TOO SOON 💔😅
AAAH😭
When mei got 88 score it sounds like she call her dad (baba or papa idk) while being locked inside the bathroom with those snake or while she's drowning
ohhhh :o
oh lord. this makes me even more sad!!! :c