How Renji vs Mask de Masculine BROKE Bleach Power Levels | Bleach DISCUSSION
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- Опубликовано: 9 ноя 2020
- Bleach fight scenes are well known for being bombastic affairs and full of flashy moves and spectacle. Despite this, I've always found the power levels to make sense (mostly). However, the fight between Renji and Mask de Masculine takes those power levels and rips them apart, taking the fight to extreme places of power. In this video, we'll look at how this one fight breaks the Bleach power levels into pieces.
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Just how strong do you think Renji and Mask were by the end of this fight? How do you think The Superstar works? Let me know!
I'll never get over how Mask was pawning EVERYBODY for fun and gets his ass beat by Renji... Renji would be a mid tier captain level EASY!
Hear to cheer you up so you'll get more power in videos like mask.
I think renji at this point probably just got into the captain level power
@@jeffreyogunleye323 I think he is mid tier captain level he’s easily stronger than Soi Fon or Komamra but Shunsui and Byakuya will take him out with ease
@@SuperJutah That's not really fair as we aren't sure how strong Renji was post training. And the only captains we know for a fact that are stronger all also got buffs in the same arc such as Byakuya and Kenpachi both of which are top tier captains in power. By feats Renji may be the 4 or 5th strongest of the captain level characters not counting Ichigo
Honestly Mask made it fun as heck. Like a protagonist using the power of friendship to win the day, only losing when he gave up on being the "hero".
I really liked that too - it was such a subversion of the normal Shonen trope.
@@MrTommo2304 The interesting thing too is I don’t think this is the first time a Shinigami refered to himself as a “villain”.
It’s a type of foreshadow since the Shinigami society are truly the villains of the series.
Jugram mentions this as well since when the Soul King’s energy emitted, only the Shinigami were targeted
@@aceclover758 Yeah, I think one of the best examples coming to mind is Kyoraku saying that he doesn't think that acting evil in order to defeat evil is a bad thing, to Love and Rose after the battle against Starrk.
@@MrTommo2304 Where was chad?
I actually like the power of friendship its better than no power/strength from friends/allies
Mask de Maculine is sort of a poor man's Gerrard Valkyre.
He is - their powers are oddly similar!
@@MrTommo2304 They both just can not be beaten and grow stronger every few minutes of fights.
And yammy's power was a lot the same as well
@@MrTommo2304 The elite Sternritter, Mask and Yammi, were all hogyoku knock-offs. Kubo's "sort-of" answer to the question: What if Kenpachi, Byakuya, Hitsugaya, etc. all had a chance to fight Aizen's transformations?
Except for the fact that if any of them fought Hogyoku Aizen fully they'd get stomped, hell they already do in his base form
I loved Renji's attitude towards this fight he gave off Captain level vibes and actually took care of business
Renji could've been captain imo he was as strong as some of the previous captains and also soi fon and Kanime.
He can actually take on a captain spot it is just that he still aims to surpass Byakuya and has soo much respect towards him and view him as a wall to overcome so he prefers to stay by his side as a lieutenant in order to keep on improving
It gave me a dangai ichigo vibe
@@herestoustx6123 That's why Byakuya was meant to die vs As Nodt, so Renji can officially become a captain and be on a rank that makes him kinda but not really comparable to Ichigo.
@@NeoNassim I can see why you would interpret it like that but I do disagree. I think in the soul society arc it established the reason why renji was so fixated on joining the sixth division and surpassing byakuya is because he wanted to be able be back in rukias life. But by the end of the soul society arc that is accomplished. So, to me I dont think there was anything to prevent him from becoming captain. Yes he had a lot of respect for byakuya but I don't think it was the same as ikkaku who makes it clear it's his life goal to serve under kenpachi.
Ichibei had the ability of "I can depower you entirely", Yhwach had the power of "I am all knowing and can decide the future", Yammamoto's bankai made him a living nuclear explosion, Gremmy was "Anything I imagine is real" and both Gerard and Kenpachi had the ability of "logic does not apply to me". Power levels in the last arch had left reason behind, it was all about good and bad power matchups.
Bleach has always been kind of cringe in this aspect, every battle devolves into the opponent having the EXACT counter needed for every particular enemy
MR Tommo legit carrying the bleach franchise on youtube on his own , never quit man you are so good
Thank you!
no love for my boi tekking101?
Tekking10 is way more popular and did bleach videos years ago. So no, he isn’t doing it on his own.
@@ericbay70 he is still doing them occasionally though so he didn't really stop
don’t forget my boi DBZimran too
I feel like Hisagi should've gotten some of the shine Renji got.
Well at least in the light novel he was the main character
He does in cfyow
CFYOW surely did justice to him. Kubo wanted to add more to him but you know what happened with him its quite understandable and appreciative that he still gave us that finish.
I'll have to read it
Just as much as Kira who, unfortunately, isn't the protagonist of a novel
When thinking about how strong Renji is, it's important to remember that he was confident enough in his power to wilfully accompany Ichigo at the end. I don't think this was foolish bravado. He knew he would be contending with Aizen levels of power and still felt like he could contribute in some way. Not saying he's on that level but it does speak to something. Food for thought.
@@daddy_1453 that makes no sense since ichigo sees him aswell
He stated in the full bringer arc that he trained to compete with Aizen for 17 months when he fought Jackie
@@J-grittyI think they all had gentei kaijo placed on them too so he was probably as strong there as he would have been unreleased in Arrancar arc (in base at least if not shikai).
Wait you normally don't have scripts?
Thats awesome considering how well you explain and talk in your videos.
Thank you! :)
@@MrTommo2304
Is that your zanpakuto ability? 😳
@@kensmilepachi3313 Haha maybe!
@@kensmilepachi3313 its actually kyoka suigestsus ability.
He actually has a skript in front of him in every video
That's pretty dope
I think rose lost this fight because he told mask how his ability worked lol
seriously tho 80% of bleach character's hax become better with element of surprise and yet everyone in the series EXPLAIN THEIR ABILITY TO THEIR ENEMY jesus
@Roman Francis well he's Aizen unlike other character if he got something OP left in his sleeve he wont explain it but just inner monolouge so viewer will get it lol
@Roman Francis He actually has to show the ritual passage beforehand for it to work. He doesn't say "Kyouka Suigetsu" and you just are in the effects of the Zanpakuto lol, that would be broken.
he would of lost anyway even without that, Mask still had Volstandig and more Cheers.
@@ericthemadscientist8357 they explain it for the audience I guess
The whole fight with kensei and rose should have never happened, we should have seen ikkaku yumichika and hisagi fight him then they get beaten and then renji appears to destroy mask. Kensei and rose should have got other fights.
But you're forgetting the whole point was for Renji to rise to Captain Level once Byakuya dies, which he was supposed to.
@@rainofkhandaq6678 shit true
I wont blame Kubo completley but the whole sternritter army couldve been room for amazing fight distributions in our vast species of characters because it's not just about the fighting itself but the impact of the fights that ties into writing and development
And also Byakuya shouldve stayed dead
@@rainofkhandaq6678 and showing him destroy an enemy that destroyed vice captains is good to showcase that. Instead he made him way above normal captain level.
IT was already stated each Sternritter is at least captain level and higher
Exactly I hate this fight I just don't like that renji is so much more powerful than kensei and rose. There were so many sternritters kensei could've fought someone.
Renji is legit that strong. Everyone who trains with the Zero Division not only comes back with greater understanding of their Zanpakuto, but they've also had their reiatsu increased from Hikifune's food. If Rukia goes from Lieutenant level to Bankai level in a few chapters, then yeah Im not surprised by Renji's growth
why they didnt trained more niggas?
This is something people really tend to forget when it comes to Renji and Rukia.
Yah but my only problem with them is why there were manhaled so bad with shutstaffel.
Yeah, Renji was already low captain level before his training
@@killuazoldyk2727because the SS are just that powerful.
James is probably like Lilynette was to Starkk.
I feel that for Zaraki and Yachiru
They are one and the same its confirmed in the manga.
Lol but the annoying version
The biggest shocker of the fight was when renji reveled his new bankai....... Sououo Zabimaru
After Yumichika had a "fake" Shikai...
Renji ACTUALLY just TIER UP his BANKAI!?!
@@Ramsey276one Same thing Yumichika did, just wasn't intentional.
@@Ramsey276one More like Renji had a half-ass bankai due to having to quickly learn it in the first arc like Ichigo.
@@sws212 good point
Yes, Renji got really strong. Even in the fullbring arc, we get statements that indicate that he had gotten much stronger. He could have been a captain probably, but he likes working with Byakuya.
He's probably stronger than half the captains by the end of the story imo
@@leobaron9417 I would definitely put him above Rose, Kensei, Lisa, Iba, Isane, and maybe Soi fon (although not completely sure). He's also probably stronger than Rukia but that's also debatable.
@@ob8057 def not stronger then rukia As Nodt>Mask Rukia beat as nodt
@@_exsencefx Mask is stronger than Äs Nödt
@@ob8057 Soi Fon too fast
The only issue is Vizards seem to refuse to use their mask or bankai. They needed to use both like Ichigo but they never did.
Exactly . Wish it was new Capt.General c Shunsie new order for them to train 🚆get stronger and not hold back ( use their mask and Shikai & Bankai ) every battle and hold back. Not tell the opponents their abilities or skills during battle.
@@AJ-kt5zo vizard was a cool adition...but do nothing
@@raipe125 It's a shame too, they could have done some cool things with the Schrifts returning to Ywach when a Sternritter dies. Imagine if the Schrift got 'infected' or something if the Sternritter was killed by a hollow or vizard. The infected Schrifts would probably damage Ywach in some way, kind of like how hollowfying the stolen bankais made the Sternritter lose them. This would make the Vizards/Arrancar really important, and it would have led the series in different direction. Instead of the Soul King nonsense we could have had more Espada/Captain team-ups, maybe a whole mini arc where the Sternritter are hunting the Vizards that didn't join Soul Society and Ichigo and friends have to protect them. There could have been some really cool fights there.
They coulda mastered their hollow /vasto lorde forms too
Its the wrestler effect! Wrestler who are depicted as heroes usually get a power boost from the fans but only just enough to defeat their foe. I would say that Jame's cheers give more of a power BUFF than a power BOOST! Its like adrenaline, it can bolster your power temporarily just to finish whatever conflict you're in.
Renji got a substantial power BOOST cause he got to know the real name of his zampakuto which is an extension of himself. And I agree that he would need to spend time with his zampakuto more to get stronger, but thats in the area of mastery (ie technique) not strength. (perfect example of this is bankai ichigo vs bankai white. They were same strength level but white has a fundamental mastery of zangetsu because he is Ichigo's pure battle instinct)
I miss white. In this arc...and a really think that it could be better that ichigos was white...a hollow in the core like the lich in adventure time...white have a style more eficient
This just would have have made byakuya's death so much better. He die then everyone take revenge, and renji be's the new captain of squad 6.
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would be good if they did that for the anime, though i doubt cuz byakuya fans would go hella mad lmao
@@ayakid921 actually byakuya was going to die, in the first wandanreich invasion, but byakuya fans sent kubo lots and lots of death threats and stuff. So cause of the death threats byakuya had to stay alive
Fax
Aside from Arrancar arc Renji is one of THE best character written. Deeply emotional and as i said aside from arrancar arc his fight with Ichigo showed the CONCEPT of RESOLVE in BLEACH which was continued against Byakuya. RESOLVE was theme for Renji and Ichigo's rivalry and Friendship.
Completely agree. That scene before the final battle where Renji and ichigo have their 1:1 and Renji says he'll always have Ichigo's back is so gratifying.
It also was readapted in the Fullbringer Arc where Renji fought against the Woman (forgot her name) with the Dirty Deeds fullbring. Renji didn't used his sword a single time and acted extremely passive, trying to resolve the fight with words and not by injuries.
@@asmylia9880 yes. I loved characters like him another one is Kuwabara from yu yu hakusho.
I love Renji because he is fierce and feral and lives and fights with gusto.
@@lindadesposito3771 absolutely.
great video as always bro , I'm kinda happy Renji got to show his Real strength cuz from the beginning we all knew he was something special at least compared to vice captains and even some captains
Thank you!
Renji trained with zero squad. + has a new bankai that is his actual bankai
Renji was never fighting in full power before hand and then when he does he just got buffed from training in zero squad
Renji has always been one of my favorite characters so glad he got a good flight in this arc
Same
Ayyy samee
And also he participates in the final fight!
This fight was supposed to show power increase Renji gained by spending time and training with Zero Division. It makes sense that he would obliterate his first opponent. What does not make sense is why did Mask de Masculine had to beat 3rd and 5th seat, Liutenant and two Vizard Captais effortlesly before Renji showed up. In the end, it was just rushing and pleasing the majority of readers and cutting up this enitre Arc.
Additionaly, Mask is a really disguisting Sternritter (but most are), and i was so happy Renji beat him so easily.
Not really it would make sense for kensei to show as he deeply cares abt shuei
Renji beating them makes sensr to me.
He should be Captain level at this point, Rose and Kensei aren't chosen ones or anything of the sort.
Byakuya was supposed to die, with Renji being a big player in the end, makes total sense.
@@rainofkhandaq6678 rose and kensei should be stronger ala the hollow masks. Come on dude. This was just to showcase renji who didn't do jack shit after this fight
@@giovonemendoza6531 Stronger how? Even high-balling hollow masks giving them a 10x increase, Renji's Bankai would do the same.
Renji didn't do anything after this because the next group of notable sternritter ranged from Bazz B who could match Yamamoto on some level, to Gremmy who manipulates reality.
Like wtf even is your argument? Lmao.
@@rainofkhandaq6678 Quincy cant take hollow reishi. That plus a shinigami captain would have whooped mask. Are you that dense? Come on man in every fight we saw kensei in he used it! And the first fight we saw rose in he used it on what...a bunch of menos?
The whole mask v renji fight was just a showcase that's all see I wouldn't have minded it if it wasn't at the cost of two vizards.
Gremmy should have gotten more as he was one of if not the strongest sternritter but renji could have fought bazz b at least I mean he was going to try to fight juha anyways.
My argument is: Kubo forgot about the hollowfication. Renji could have showcased without the sacrifice of love and kensei you ninny
I never thought about this, probably because by this point, the power levels were already crazy. But I assumed bcuz he trained in the royal realm and Ichibe himself told him the name of his bankai, it skyrocketed his power. Whatever the explanation, I didn't mind because Renji needed this win
Wish Kensei was fleshed out a bit more and got a power boost as well...
Yeah.
Seriously kenshi,shinji and lisa have always been my favorite visordes. I wish they got more screentime
This just highlighted how badly the vizard captains were used in this arc. They felt so weak compared to the other captains.
not really,it shows that strength doesnt win fights all the time.rose and kensie misunderstood mask power and got cocky and took him lightly thats why they lost not because mask was that strong.
Agreed
If the vizards used there hollow masks things would have been a better
@@mistywoods6560 right and rose told mask how is power worked we didn’t even get to see the final attack rose was gonna do lol
@@starrk6966 people complain about rose telling mask how his power worked but srsly did anyone saw mask crushing his ear drums coming?i didnt,people complain about kubo making fights like this where its not focused on who is stronger but who takes his opponent lightly gonna pay for it,if togashi did this i guarantee you people would say MAN HE IS A GENIUS
Plot twist....you're secretly kubo aren't you
Renji was pretty powerful, Kubo was trying to show how powerful Renji became. Rukia had to defeat the person who old Byakuga had issues with to show how strong she had become.To be fair Gerrad was the Soul kings heart so he worked from different. I do agree that some things were not done so easily. One thing that shows is how Hirako was also able to use shikai against Aizen
If mask doesn’t get a Latin voice actor for the dub imma freak out.
WOW
That would be great
Something for fan creators to think of!
If they get that far...
SERIOUSLY, I have seen awesome fan ANIMATED TTYW arc vids
He’s french isn’t he
Doesn't fit the character at all
WHATCHU gonna do, BROTHER, When the Quincy run wild on YOU!?
@@Zarreth I can actually see that being a pop culture reference. In the DUB, let him say a quote along the lines of something a popular Japanese wrestler would say (since it's Japanese) but in the English version, a Hulk Hogan thing.
Mask: Whatcha gonna do, Shinigamis. when the Vandenreich run down on the Soul Society!
Bruh. Renji already told y'all in the battle against Jackie, dirty boots.. We've been training for an opponent like Aizen. Remember Aizen was locked awat at this point defeated by Ichico and Hat and Clogs. But we saw what happened in the fight against Jubach. Renji got shut down again. Granted he was very powerful. I would say he's Ichigos rival.
I firmly believe he was already at kenseis level prior to training in the royal palace, so him being that strong post training is not much of a surprise. People gotta realise stark handled the same level of opponents 2v1 with ease also. So end game renji being above stark isn’t too far fetched.
Then he gets the shit kicked outta him & his Shikai broken like a twig. That statement didn't mean anything. He had no chance of beating the Sternritters w/o RG training who weren't anywhere close to hogyoku Aizen. I'm not sure Yhwach could beat him before the all mighty
Funny how Renji "trained his ass off" to get stronger, while Aizen got stronger by just "sitting on a chair"
@@kensmilepachi3313 lmao exactly. Idk if you watch Super. But it's like Frieza pulled an Aizen while in hell and powered up trapped in a caterpillars cocoon, While Goku and Vegeta got their asses whooped to reach new levels.
@@DarionNexus That was BS. I'd give Aizen a pass because when you think about it. He's fucking Aizen.
The soul palace training is the ultimate zenkai boost of the series. I think renji being this strong at this point makes sense. I also believe he was intended to succeed byakuya as captain until fans forced kubo to keep him alive.
I've always been of the opinion that a large part of the royal training power boost was temporary. The super reiatsu they took in when they ate Hikifune's food shouldn't really grant a permanent strength boost, as once it's all been expelled/used they will be forced to used they own gathered power. When Renji fought Mask, he was riding his super reiatsu high still, and that's why his power was awkwardly higher than it should have been. Rukia even advised Renji not to over do it and rush into fights because she knew the power boost wasnt going to last.
Late reply but it was stated that the powerup is permanent
Theres also this bit in the Unohana v Kenpachi fight where Unohana mentions that Zaraki now has allies worthy of standing up to him and one of the characters shown is Renji(Alongside Ichigo and Byakuya I think).
I trust Kubo to put together worlds I wish I could belong in.
I trust Kubo to summon the creativity and charm to create characters I'd die to meet.
But Tite Kubo does drop the small stuff a lot. Maybe I'm being narrowminded and unaware of how distractions and complications could have forced his hand.
I love the manga despite the flaws. A part of me wants to collect the pages in any shape I see them in whenever I see them.
I’ve really grown to love your vids. Always kinda hated how you said “that’s a video for another time” and then never made them but when you do, it’s awesome lol
Thank you so much! Haha I'm really sorry, I really am trying to get round to all of my ideas but I can only go so quickly XD Was there anything in particular you wanted to see sooner rather than later?
@@MrTommo2304 a video about aizen supposedly being the final villain 👍🏼
Renji getting that level of power is fairly consistent with the boost that we saw Rukia, Ichigo and Byakuya get from the training. Byakuya, despite getting less training than the rest due to taking longer than the rest to heal, was still stronger than his former Bankai in Shikai.
We also know that Lieutenants don't have to promote to captains if they don't want to, with Sasakibe staying in squad 1 despite having Bankai and being strong enough to scar Yamamoto. Renji is most likely stronger than most Captains, barring Shunsui, Byakuya, Rukia and Kenpachi, but stays under Byakuya out of respect, the same way Sasakibe did for Yamamoto. Shunsui was able to fight against Lille 1v1, even after Lille went full power, and Lille is likely the strongest Sternritter. Byakuya and Rukia got the same training he did, and Byakuya is definitely still stronger than Renji while Rukia is about equal. Kenpachi is Kenpachi.
Mask's power most likely isn't an equal boost every time, and likely has diminishing returns, which is why Gerard was in Ywhach's personal guard while Mask was not, despite having seemingly similar powers. Mask most likely capped out his power when he went into that weird form with star nipples, which is why he destroyed James, he couldn't gain anything more from his power, so he just let James die.
Mask went from needing a cheer to beat Ikkaku, Shuhei and Yumichika to beating Bankai Kensei in 3 or 4 to losing to Bankai Renji with more than 10. The first few grant him a massive power boost, going from low captain level to beating on a mid-level captain's Bankai without Vollstanding. The ones after it grant smaller boosts as another 6 in addition to his Vollstanding, which was relative to a bankai, couldn't overcome the Bankai of Renji.
I just disagree with you in one statement that Renji might be weaker than Rukia,I think he is Stronger or at her level by the slightest and I think he has scope for further improvement just like Rukia does in her Bankai state but all that aside good explanation
You didn't consider the 10x boost when the star appears on his fist. What's crazy is that Renji blocked those with his bare hand, yet was blown away by the One Mile Arts from Mask's transformation, which are just shockwaves made by Mask's gestures.
@D K Renji > Supernova > One Mile Arts punch > One Mile Arts shockwave > Star Crest punch > 10x Bankai Kensei/Rose
@D K Royd off paneled Kenpachi- whom beat Yammy- and blocked Yamamoto's Shikai with his wrist, for which Aizen needed Wonderweiss' specialized ability. Mask burned a hole through Rose even before the big power ups, even though Rose took minor damage from Starrk's wolves. The Sternritters are generally stronger than the Espadas, and some are easily stronger than even Aizen was before activating the Hogyoku
The one thing I did not hear you consider is the fact that the "pluses" as you call them might not work to the same level each time it is used. As in there might be diminishing returns as each cheer is made especially once you get past a certain number of them it probably drops off significantly.
One of my fav TYBW fights featuring my all time fav Bleach character and his magnificent new and dope Bankai
I haven't even read the last arc, but these vids are so entertaining I cant help myself!
Talking about power , I noticed that way back in the soul reaper Vs espada arc , I felt like barragan could've been stronger , like I'm aware his Respira was a very strong ability in and of itself but he himself didn't have much of an impact , especially since he was ranked as number 2 , also something I believed you mentioned about barragan was that he didn't use a cero in his fight with soi fon , and I thought that was strange too since he's extremely old , I heard a rumor that he was the first hollow or something so I got thinking , back in the chapter where you could see the top 3 espada showing off their spiritual pressure , hallibel is yellow , starrk is blue and barragan is red , and all espada have cero's that are connected to their color (gran ray cero and what not) , what if all basic cero's are red BECAUSE of barragan? IF he was the first hollow and he so-to-say , created cero's? Just a theory / idea
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Tbh this was my favourite fight in the thousand year blood war and it made Renji my favourite character
It was really flawed but I miss his original bankai
@@drewferguson4787 I thought his bankia, but I liked this fight cause of how cocky Renji was the whole time
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This whole fight is in my top 5 fav fights of the stern Ritter arc and so-oh zabimaru was a shocker and ended up being my favorite bankai in the whole of bleach! Thanks soooo much for making a video about this fight!
Who's the one gillian scrub that disliked this? Get purified hater! 😂
Mask is clearly a stand user; James is his stand, and "Cheer-ee-oh" is it's ability . . . .
I think there it is an stand in that way
Renji needed this win. Lol
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"It's not just a matter of who is weaker or stronger, it's interesting because there's no measuring who will win or lose."
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I've been binge watching all your video, thank you so much for the content!
What about an Orihime analysis! That would be pretty good good over how really OP her power was
They built her up so much by saying her power was on the domain of God then nothing
@@SuperJutah yeah after the Arrancar arc and the when Ichigo had to get his powers back. I ALWAYS thought she could just bring Ichigo's powers back herself
We Want Orihime,
İt would be great to watch a video about Orihime
@@SuperJutah reread the fight with yhwach
Fuck I hated Orihime.
Useless.
15y/o me loves bleach, still do
The lack of explicit limitations and restrictions to the powers in Bleach especially in the last arc results in characters simply getting Dragonball training montages and powering up instead of utilizing unique techniques and strategies to get the upper hand
I always appreciated Ichigo and Renji’s second fight in Soul Society due to the subtle nuances characters get an upper hand on each other like Ichigo discovering the shikai’s limitation of 3 strikes before it detract s and so forth
The worst is the quincies are tecnically human that use magic tecniques...
Man, I really love listening to you talking about Bleach and especially BBS. Keep on going.
Thank you for the content Mr Tommo. Your content makes me happy. Fan here from the 🇵🇭
can you do a Capitan ranking? but have it be all the captains. like EVERY SINGLE CAPTIAN we know about not just, end a series captains. like from the beginning of bleach to the ending of bleach and rank all of them.
James was the Sternritter 100% Its how he was doing the weird things since he was far stronger than he looked.
You need way moreeeeeee love than this thank you so much for this videos keep the great work up mane
Keep going man you killing it bro 🔥💯
I am rewatching Bleach and just realized that Ichigo managed to become a proxy soul reaper and then defeat 2 captain level (Kenpachi and Byakuya) within 2 weeks of "training".
people just focus on rose and kensei defeat not how they got defeated,they were stronger than mask (atleast rose) but they misunderstood his power and took him lightly thats why it fired back.people complain about rose telling him that his bankai works with sound but who would have though that mask was gonna crush his ear drums,i didnt and i bet a lot didnt aswell
I actually agree with you entirely.
@@ulvlegend1078 its sad how people can't understand kubo writing...like is it really that complicated?i'm sure if togashi did this same fight people would be like TOGASHI IS A GENIUS I LIKE HOW THE STRONGEST DOESNT ALWAYS WIN,HXH IS DIFFERENT THAN SHONEN! 🤷♂️
I agree that people don't pay attention to how they (mainly Rose) were defeated but Mask was clearly stronger or at least comparable to them, because he one-shot rose. If they used their masks they'd probably be equals.
@@Blah2000Blah that was base mask,he took advantage of rose confusion of mask crushing his ear drums and one shot him.i doubt he is as strong or stronger than them in base its just they took him so lightly and mask power is really tricky
@@mistywoods6560 Yea, I agree he only took him out because he caught him off guard, but Rose also was only hurting him because he doesn't attack in a conventional way that is dependent on his strength. Seeing as Rose was using his bankai it isn't that he wasn't exerting spiritual pressure either so Mask had to be at a comparable strength in order to nearly kill him in one attack. I say he's stronger because he actually did overpower Kensei physically. He didn't just catch him off guard. They were already fighting pretty evenly before James started cheering again.
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I don't think it "broke" the Power Level. Even though they're Vizards and were Captains, they've spent a lot of time in Human World, we're we don't even know if they kept training or fighting Hollows, and even if they trained, it'ld only be within the Vizards reunited there, which at some point would make you stop growing cause you're just fighting the same people all the time and when Rose and Kensei fought Mask, they didn't exactly knew about James and their Bankais were easily counterable by him: Kensei needed to be touching him and Rose needed his ears to be intact. Renji on the other hand, was training since Soul Society arc to achieve his Captain Level, and even went to train on a high spiritual place with the man who named Zanpakutou itself, and since their bodies are made of Reishi, training in a place with enhances it in you, will make you hell of a lot stronger. Mask was very hulky but all his "power" came more fom his regeneration than anything, since, without it, Rose and Kensei were "easily" dealing with him. When Renji came to play, he was a man who has been fighting "non stop" for at least 1 year and 6 months, had been healed by the master oh healing, gained the right to his sword with the master of swords and had his combat, Reishi and his Zanpakutou name revelaed to him by the leader of the Zero Division, AND, he knew about James already and the need to deal with him first, which already rendered Mask without healing for half of the battle. I thibk what confuses people is that they focus too much on the "Captain Level" part and forget Captains themselves have different power levels and they also forget how long people actually been without proper training and fighting in universe. Even the Soul Society in the first invasion had a gap of almost 200 hundred years of proper fighting since the Quincy extermination. And yeah, the Power level was a little rushed like all the ending of Bleach, but the Power Level wasn't brokenin this fight, even the Sternritter have different levels of power and some great ones are not even that much Battle Oriented. I think everyone was on the same power level in this fight, at leasg in regards to the captains, 2 Vizards who weren't using their masks and have spent more than 100 years far away from the captain mantle, and a Lieu-tenant with Captain Level already who was fighting his way to development. Heck we even had Ikkaku as Captain Level at the first invasion but the guys was just third seat! And also, Bleach power level is not very very quantifyable since it's HEAVILY connected to the emotional and mental side, as well as beinf connected to how much you know yourself, your relation with your powers, your state of mind, which goes against the numerical politics of common Power scaling where you kinda give somethinf a value and that thing will almost always be this value. Well, I think you people got my point, sorry if it was confusing
It’s sort of the same with Rukia in the first episode, she was more than capable of killing a simple hollow but she was still mentally reeling from feeing like she murdered Kaien and was very much not on top of her game, thus being defeated by a simple hollow
@@victormutta1115 it could also be very well that Rose and Kensei underestimated Mask and didn’t help that Rose explained his Bankai, but Isshin was just purely a stronger captain and he didn’t underestimate Aizen, I won’t deny that the Visored are pretty under used
@@victormutta1115 He couldn't compete, he was defeated, forgot? Isshin only pushed Aizen back by surprise and hold him up ALONGSIDE Youruichi and Urahara. You talk as if Isshin was fighting alone and defeating Aizen. And as I've said, Rose and Kensei underestimated him, they were Ill matched, they didn't knew about James until the end, and Kensei was actually winning at the beginning! If it wasn't for their cockyness and lack of knowledge, they would've won. And Rose also did the favor of fucking explaining his Bankai OUT OF ARROGANCY! Let's nor forget HOW MUCH Reiatsu is tied to your powerfull level my friend, if you're confused, startled or scared, your Reiatsu will lower and leave you less protected. And Yeah, I won't say Kubo should've done a better job with the Vizards, but Kensei and Rose defeat there was logical and was a matter pf intelligence and arrogancy, not of difference is strenght
@@victormutta1115 And Isshin was a noble and he was a Captain long before Rose and Kensei, the man already had massive amounts of Reiatsu just from being a noble, and we we're shown he's a very capable and powerfull captain, strong enough to attain Mugetsu, the man was jus stronger. Being a Captain doesn't mean you're equaly leveled. As we had fucking Kyouraku as the 8th division Captain when the man was stronger than all other Captains
@@vcamv2354 people dont understand that,when bleach is simple they be like BLEACH IS AVERAGE when kubo write something like mask vs rose and kensie where the strongest doesnt always win BLEACH IS TRASH KUBO IS BAD WRITER,its really sad how someone as great and intelligence like kubo is treated,people are not smart enough to understand his writing but think they are qualified to shit on him and call him bad writer
I honestly think because it was the last arc, Kubo just said fuck it, let give Renji a real win.
Really well done video
Please make more videos! It’s so relaxing to hear and make one for ishida please
The power levels definitely escalated but I don't find this fight to discard them completely. If Ichigo got as powerful as he did while healing and training, it makes sense for Renji to at least get as strong as he did. By using your method of determining how strong Masculine is as well as Fullbring bankai ichigo at the start of this arc, I think Renji in shikai at this point was just above that level of power and it would make perfect sense given how strong ichigo was even at that point in the series (it was that ichigo that was labeled a war potential before he got his true zanpakuto and performed better against Yhwach than anyone else at that point even while slightly injured from his previous fight). As for Masculine, he had the advantage the whole time anyway as soon as Rose and Kensei told him how their own abilities work considering how he took advantage of that information almost immediately after (displaying an intelligence feat more than power, even with the James buffs). With Mask reaching the power he did shortly there after and fighting Renji, it makes sense that now going into bankai, he would be as strong as he was there to show such dominance (much to like how Quilge needed his holy form and absorb Ayon, who he considered close in power, to contest a non restricted bankai ichigo at the start of the arc). Also, people forget just how many buffs Renji got before hand as well. After getting beaten, he was healed by the 0 Division, of which their hot springs heal and buff you, hence Tenjiro's punch test, the time spent training with the best shinigami at the time, acquiring the true extent of his zanpakuto's power, and returning to Soul Society in 0 Division attire that buffs you as well as stated by Shutara, making four significant buffs heading into his fight with Mask, with Bankai still left on the shelf until the end. Makes perfect sense.
Power levels kind of got thrown out the window all throughout the show imo, Vizards that aren't Shinji were all pretty weak (even then Shinji didn't really do anything) even though they should all be Captain level having been Captains and Lieutenants and then being amplified by the Vizard/hollow side. Also the Espada rankings how we had Yammy who was suddenly rank 0.
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I think James' cheers cause the spike affect you mentioned as that's what cheers do and it makes the most sense powerscaling wise.
Cheers reinvigorate you and can push you past your normal limits for a short period of time. In real life, to my understanding, it causes a kind of mind over matter boost. Just when you're on the brink of collapse or exhaustion, someone cheering for you can help you get back up and keep going. Emotional support can have incredible results for anyone struggling whether physically or mentally.
Movies and stories especially love using that to emotionally drive the audience.
So I do think that James' cheers give Mask a brief spike on power to overcome whatever obstacle he's struggling with at the moment, and Mask then burns through that buff shortly thereafter. Like in a video game how some buffs only work for a set piriod of time whether that be 2-3 turns or a couple minutes.
I had this question since I was a kid:
When ichigo first fought byakuya, his speed and power is already about the same as Byakuya. I think at that moment his bankai is weaker than Byakuya's but his half-hollowfied form made he as strong as Byakuya if not more.
Later when Ichigo fights Grimmjow, he has to go full-masked +bankai to match Grimmjow. Does that make Byakuya weaker than Grimmjow RF?
What really broke my sense of power level is, when ichigo fought Ulquiorra, with his new hollow mask, he can't even react to ulquiorra's speed and power. I was deeply confused that if this is some other captain, they would already been killed. Because I admit Byakuya is not the strongest captain, but he should be somewhere at the middle. Which means at least half of the captains would be one shot by ulquiorra....
Another thing I don't understand is. Toshiro had a very tough time with Luppi, which is NO.6, and he failed to kill Luppi even with a preparing time and an ambush. Later on, he can hold up against Tear Halibel. Although he didn't win, but I was expecting the situation to be worse for him.
So I'm not surprised about the power scale in TYBW. It was mentioned that the power of hollow is like poison to Quincy, but non of the Vizard captain thought of using hollowfication or cero against their enemies. It would be cool to see that, then Quincy would show that during these years they somehow developed a way to counter hollow's power. That would make more sense. And I do agree with your Vizard ranking. Only Tosen fully utilized this power, maybe too much. But the mask+bankai should makes Vizard stronger than normal Captain class with bankai. It's funny that only ichigo is smart enough to use mask+bankai at the same time. But I guess there are just too many details that Kubo doesn't have enough energy to complete them.
Mask and James remind me of Yachiru and Kenpachi. Especially when you take into consideration James powers up Mask by cheering. Yachiru powers up Kenpachi by unlocking the power of his bankai.
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"there's a lot of demolishing going on"
I think the cheers exponentially increase Mask's power at first but then after a few cheers the power boost declines exponentially so he gets less power with each cheer after a certain point
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Renji is one of my fav characters he just feels so awkwardly used after the SS arc lol. Even this arc should of been his story coming full circle but it really doesnt
If we assume Mask´s power cannot go to infinity, but has a set max output and each chear just brings it closer to that max, it could be like reciprocal graph, with the first chears having the greatest effect and every subsequent having lesser and lesser effect
Legit just re-read this fight last night so this is awesome to come across
It nice that i got this recommended after the Mask episode
That mask vs renji fight really confuses me , if renji can get this strong then why didn't they just have everyone train in the soul palace , instead of having kenpachi kill unohana , just send him to the soul palace to train . It's also makes what happened to the zero squad that much more disappointing, you see how strong renji got and you expect to see twice that awesomeness from the zero squad , but they get offscreened , godammit kubo .
One of my theories is that they didn't want to take away the rest of SS forces and left the remaining Captain and VCs to defend the Soul society. As well as most of them already being some what at their peak.
I also feel Renji and Rukia were chosen as not only did they have untapped potential but we're their to further push Ichigo as they are two of his best friends and are used for fine tuning Ichigo as their secret weapon
@@texcorps9432 maybe they should've sent guys like Rose and Kensei to the royal realm to train during the peaceful times after Aizen was defeated.
@@OddEyes1 I don't think they could. The tybw is the first time in over 100 years the zero squad have come down to to seretei and taken people to the palace. So unless the zero division wants you you have no way of getting I
@@texcorps9432 that's true.
I think they didn't take zaraki up there because none of their powers would have really helped him. Ichibei would have killed him or made him weaker with his powers, Oetsu would have one shot him and would have had to take him to Kirinji after every hit.
As for Kirinji and Senjumaru, they aren't strong enough to handle zaraki imo. And the big girl would have just boosted his reiatsu without any benefits for him to find his zanpakuto's name
Maybe Renji is in a different tier of power because of his training in the squad zero's lake thigmajig
This
Also all the fights he went in with ichigo
I just loved every second of this fight, I cant wait to see it animated
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wonderful video! love renji's outfit post royal realm.
Yeah he looks really cool, it's possibly his best design in the series.
I agree that Mask's power builds on itself, but my headcanon is that there is a diminishing return to the cheers. That makes it less ridiculous how strong Renji gets.
im pretty sure james is based on the "BUT ITS REAL TO ME" sobbing guy in the wrestling bleachers. old OG youtube meme.
basically there are some amature pro wrestlers doing a meet and greet and this guy "jeff" is thanking and congratulating the wrestlers for everything they do to their bodies for the sport.
ive since day 1 assumed james was based on this meme. they even look the same.
Glad you said you will redo the ranking, please include Vice-captains also because, Renji, Hisagi & Ikkaku should be in there
Got my teacher to let me watch this since it's an educational video lol
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It could also be that mask's power has diminishing returns, so the more cheers he gets the less effective each one is.
We need vice captain Rankin. Have been waiting for it since I subscribed 30000 subscribers ago hahaha love your stuff man keep it up
Thank you! I promise it'll happen - today is the Vizards and then I think I'll do Vice-Captains next!
@@MrTommo2304 nice. I wish I had found your channel 10 years ago! I never had a bleach community here in Spain I could talk bleach about. But better late than never, as they say here.
You could assume like the roar of the crowd, or like a standing ovation, the Cheers of James have an effect where they dissipate or wear down. Like +5(-1,-1,-1) over time. Or, his attacks spend the applause.
The only thing I didn't like about the last arc's power levels is that they are prone to NO LIMITS FALLACY like how Gremmy can IMAGINE anything, how Uryu can NO U any effect, or how Yhwach can, well...
They don't really have apparent limits and if you think about it you can even scale them to universal to even multiversal levels especially Yhwach except that scaling them to the characters they have fought such as Ichigo and such who don't really have that much power gets in the way of that.
It's all very confusing.
While it's true that the abilities of Sternritters are infinite, the Soul Reapers abilities are the opposite. Soul Reapers are "absolute zeroes", meaning they will definitely kill. Doesn't matter what kind of abilities or hacks the enemy has. A Soul Reaper will reap souls, supposedly.
@@johngona5929 that's another No Limits Fallacy lol.
NO MATTER THE HAX THEIR HAX IS SUPERIOR
Doesn't make my case any better.
I think this fight would’ve made more sense if two things had happened 1) they had shown even one page of Renji being told why he was now stronger by Ichibe. And 2) if Masc was one of the Schutzstaffel and was justified as strong enough to take down everyone he did
Nice shirt choice haha
One thing I always loved about Bleach was how someone could job a fight early on and yet beat someone above their power level later on by ingenuity. Like Byakuya loses to Ichigo, yet can beat people that even give Ichigo trouble like Tsukishima. Even Shinigami below Captain rank can stand up to Sternritter who give Captains trouble, like Rukia beating As Nodt.
He's like Starbrand for Marvell. He's given enough power to fight on the level of his current opponent. t. This seems clear because he can only get the power up when he's loosing.He has to be the underdog for his power to work.
Yes and his power doesn't really stack up.
the power buffs he got from defeating his previous opponents didn't carry on to the new one. I don't think this fight was that much of a deal breaker, Mask always starts off with the same Base level and then when he loses he catches on to be around the level of his opponent like a real wrestler, when the crowd cheers him he becomes just strong enough to beat the seemingly unwinnable fight ....... as long as the opponent buys his power boost, if not then he can't go beyond them. It is actually very interesting
I always thought that James was Mask's own subconscious coming to life. He kept telling himself he can beat his opponent and once he activated his volstandig his egomania reached levels where he thought he is unbeatable. Also an interesting 'what if' would be, the following: What if Mask's power Resets everytime James 'dies'? If it does, Mask returns back to 'normal' JUST before fighting with Renji, and also puts Renji's power level on a more tangible level in my opinion. It would also further your theory that all the 'mini james' are seperate +1s. Renji kills James by slicing him and to quickly regain power, all the mini james start chanting.
I think the point was being made here that once you learn your bankai’s “true name” it’s on an entirely different level than normal bankai.
And I think that’s why the most powerful bankai’s apparently gain multiple different forms
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@@MrTommo2304 right lol Cha Cha Ching lol