Brand new boats have lots of problems. I have had three all from different builders. Finally realized it’s a bad idea and my current boat was three years with one very careful German owner. I looked like new but had every extra and all the problems worked out!
As the immortal Clint Eastwood said, deserve's got nothing to do with it. We'll be on a boat soon enough and it will be the right thing at the right time. No worries.
Deserving and affording are two wildly different things…then there’s the waiting, that’s a 2+ year wait for a new spec build, at $3 million and up by the time it’s sailing on to your first port. 😬 They also might not like the boats available, and that’s a huge thing.
Frickin' awesome videos as always! Loved seeing ya meet up with the Wynns as well. It's great to see the boating life get a bit back to normal after Covid and exciting to see the new adventures with the new builds!
Thanks Nick and Megan! The Balance looks like the best combination of performance, ergonomics, style, and practicality. Agree about the sharp edges. All new boats are costly due to high labor costs due to the way they're made.
I checked out the C Cat 37 at le Grand Pavois on Wednesday and i was truly impressed. It got on top of my wishlist. The boat on display had already 10,000 miles on her with two Atlantic crossings. She looked brand new. He owner was also the sales rep and we had a nice hour chatting about his boat. 10 knots on average and 17 knots easily. Very roomy and fast for a rather small unit. I had also a good look at the Neel 52 and 43. The 52 is like a house on the water. The master cabin is just fatastic. The 43 looks pretty decent.
Looking forward to your Outremer 52 sea trials episode..I can see you guys in a new Outremer . seems like that is one of your favourites so far from the way you describe it in episodes and your enthusiasm about it. Sailing Great Circle couple seem to be satisfied with their's after voyaging half way around the world as they have already decided on purchasing another Outremer ...
A nice laid back time looking at this great selection. Bring on more. Nice to see the Wynns and am looking forward to their impressions of their new boat. Yours……only time will tell. 😎 But still holding my breath on your ultimate success.
I like the cover of the HH, and I understand the concern about having to lean out to see the sails, but my sister has gone about three rounds with skin cancer, and I would opt for more coverage and having to lean out to peek at the sails. I guess because of all the solar they couldn't put a peephole up to the main sail? After everything you two have been through, I think a new boat would be perfect. Although, you would have to wait for it, but least you would know it was going to happen, and not all the letdowns! Sheesh!
Nikki and Jason Wynn with some impressive cooperation from Cat maker HH went the extra mile and documented everything for two years via video factory walk arounds and interviews regarding the HH people, facilities and equipment involved in the two year build process of their HH44OC (hull #3) Catamaran. Prior to the Feb 2024 start of the lengthly turn over process.Nikki and Jason when over that beautiful boat with a fine tooth comb.and video cameras. Apparent result. The HH artisans turned hull #3 into a piece of art. As to being able to get a look at the tattle tails from a helm position for trimming that will be subject to the Wynns sailing their HH44 for a while. Saso s
Good to see you guys back making boat reviews again! I'm w/ you Nick, I prefer a raised helm position on a catamaran. Seems like different manufacturers have been trying to put them in all kinds of unique and novel places but the best place keeps coming back to being in a raised position. Beside the increased visibility, it's easy enough to build a small dodger to fully enclose many of these raised helms and with the glass like qualities of eisenglass, it's entirely possible to have great visibility in the worst of weather. I still prefer the use of glass and windshield wipers on some pilothouse sailboats but there are always tradeoffs. And 'livability'. Gotta have it on a cat. No sense having increased deck space and space below and not making it very comfy. No more spartan interiors with 4" foam mattresses and tiny heads. People now want a home on the water from their boats and I can't blame them. My 30' sailboat is not that big but she's very comfy because comfort is akin to safety. If people can get proper rest, stay warm (I'm in Alaska, remember?), and eat good food, that goes a long way to keeping the mind and body sharp onboard. Thnx for showing us the latest trend in boats I'll never be able to afford...unless I cash out my entire retirement package!
I’ve said from the very beginning I wasn’t sure why you were looking at second hand boats! La Vagabond, sailing Nahoa, Sailing Ruby Rose, and Gone with the Wynns all have new boats! From a RUclips perspective your on par with a new boat!
Having a forward cockpit, I can't imagine anything else ever again. Mine is more enclosed than an Atlantic 57, but not completely enclosed. Doesn't matter. Its the way to go.
Go for a new one and get what you want! Maybe a submarine dingy too? 👍😂🤣 seriously though new would be able to truly be your boat! Keep rolling O'Kelly's and stay safe! 👍👍
just a few days ago saw a youtube video about the windelo 50. the helm arangement looked very comfortable and safe to my eyes. you're not away from the party at the saloon/galley and still in reach to every corner of the boat, especially forward (the most tricky place to be when sailing 2 handed, isnt it?! still crossing fingers for u guys to find your dream boat!
I've been O52 dreaming for a year now. Still trying to figure how to scrounge up 1.6-1.8 USD to get in line-which is out to 2027 last I checked. Until then, I'll keep living vicariously through the O'Kelly's and AWEN.Cheers!
Odisea is doing the helms the way you like The website needs to be updated to reflect the revised design. I could be hull 4 or 5 still thinking about it.
All these boats are just fantastic and have their merits, have to keep in mind that designing and building a catamaran is a series of compromises. ORC57 is just a spaceship in a league of its own, not something the average cruising couple wants to handle though. We agree with you on the new HH designs, awesome but will have to wait & see. Then there’s Outremer & Balance with some rock solid performance cruising platforms with pro’s and con’s to each, in the end you just have to choose what calls to you and get out there on the water. Ours splashes next year and we can’t wait, thanks for the great video!
@@kirk9671 after much deliberation, sea trials, a zillion boat shows around the world we ended up choosing a Balance 526 MkII and have been waiting patiently for a couple years now, but starting to get real!
@@kirkb3473 You really have a world of patience. I don't think I'd be able to wait that long for a build. The Wynns were lucky in that regard when their build spot moved up because another customer backed out and it was still a long wait. Whenever I decide to purchase I'll go straight to the recent classifieds. Pay and wait less, a _lot_ less.
I think there's a bit more horsepower on that boat than we need. But really cool to see how James has spec'd out that boat. Some great ideas that could be implemented on any boat.
For such high performance potential the ORC 57 is actually a bargain compared to a Gunboat, but it's definitively not one of the more affordable models at the show.
Finally someone sharing my thoughts on the helm positions - can’t beat line of sight when night sailing. When’s someone gonna put some lazy boys into the interior space?!? Essential anchorage snoozing option! 😂
Gunboat with a fly bridge is just wrong.... interesting to see the bigger windows and spaces, very nice for living, I'm not sure about it though. Interesting to see all that solar and batteries. How much solar? Yes. Incidentally have you had a look at the Dazcat Ocean cruiser - it has 4 potential helm positions and they will build it with whichever you want (or any combination of them) apparently they can be retrofitted too!
Well I don't know about that. I spend that kind of money for a custom boat and if I want a carbon fiber kiddie pool at the helm you better build one for me. Seriously though, if you build these things out of carbon fiber, it allows a lot of latitude for comfort while still blowing away heavier glass boats with the same sail area. Pretty easy to see the loss in mainsail area on that boat, but the rig is giant. I wonder what kind of difference it makes. I bet that boat still cooks.
@@TheOKellys yeah ultimately money talks, with that specific requirement though I can see why you're having a hard time finding a new boat :-)! My main concern with flybridges is that they raise the centre of effort of the sail - which means more weight to counter the same sail area (and carbon wont change that). It does seem that "performance catamarans" are becoming more comfortable interesting to see the impact of carbon fibre being more readily available.
I am so glad you ran into Niki and Jason. They are so down to earth. They are the ones whom gave me courage to go for it. Go buy a new boat and be done with the second hand cats.
One of the frustrating things for me is this whole "eco-friendly" talk about an epoxy boat. The sheer volume of plastic sheeting & tubing that is used once & discarded in the making of the hulls astounds me. I mean, yay solar power & electric motors, but it doesn't change the fact that the boat itself is not at all recyclable. If I could build whatever I wanted (waving the magic wand here... ) give me something along the lines of the ExploCat aluminum hulls, shallow stub keels with winglets, both rudder skegged & pinned, maybe a deeper drop in rudder at the back of the sugar scoop. I like HH's secure flip up stern door sort of thing, very secure on a long passage. Let's pair that with Silent Yacht solar and motors, then add Sharrow props. I need a crane on the front that can hold an emergency sail, and put the dingy on the front deck. Is she going to FLY though the water? Not so much. Will she be able to keep me & mine well protected? Definitely.
Started my first folding kayak camping adventure from Cannes to Toulon fighting against the Mistral. If you can't afford a giant cat, try Mediterranean kayak camping, max tidal range about 16 inches so clear water, no dragging & roads mostly not close to shoreline. :)
PULL THE TRIGGER on a Balance 442!!!!! Yes, it’s pricy, but features all the characteristics you seek. I’m sure Balance would cut you a phenomenal deal in exchange for the your promotion of the brand. And I’m sure you could get production priority. Love your content!
Well, that was EXCITING. I’m guessing the buyer pool for any of these boats is too small for the makers to justify a vastly reduced price to prominent RUclipsrs seeking a new boat (given the marketing value). Off to your tech channel to see the ORC 57 tour!
Enjoyed seeing the new boats. I agree with helm placement, not just for seeing sails but sailing in the PNW you better have a raised helm or you’ll need a full time spotter on the bow of the boat. Too many obstacles like huge logs! Our 42 leopard with raised helm is perfect for our area even though it lacks high end speed.
The steering position on that Outremer is really nice with that bench seat. it's almost more of a chaise lounge. It's a shame the HH has dropped the ball a little on something so important because I love the look of that boat.
I don't think they dropped the ball. They made a design choice. An argument can be made that for an offshore boat, you don't need to have great visibility on the sails...you're not sitting there trimming 24/7. A higher priority is put on living space and protection from the elements. For us personally, we like to sit there trimming and steering and tweaking, so it's not the compromise we personally are looking for, but I'm going to bet it that it is the right thing for a lot of people.
@@TheOKellys yeah it was in a marina in Thailand last month. It left a day before we left for Malaysia (Lankawi) which is a boat duty free zone. We changed our registration to here as well. My friend who is a manger in one of the marinas here told me it was sold here a day or two after it arrived.
New is nice! I can see the wheel's turning, or was that smoke? If they're too much $$$, there's always shorter ones... If you run out of things to do, you can always come help me build our new dinghy!
Windelo is very interesting to me because of the front cockpit protected from the elements And as for docking in the port, they should have shown you all the cameras that that cat has
We got to go on the Catana OC at the Sydney Boat Show this year, Donna fell in love with it, she doesn't really like the performance boats, so that really shocked me.
@@TheOKellys Could you do a comparison between it and the Outremer 51?? Just a short talk. Would be great to get on some of these others, but unless they bring one in for our Aussie shows, we'll never see one.
hmmm, we'd love to, but haven't sailed either one, so our comparison wouldn't be of that much use. We've been aboard both, and looking at just the specs, they are very different boats. The Catana 50 is much larger volume and much heavier.@@shanevillis4079
20 knots Plus 2? Let's hear And see more about that one. IDK that leopard 50 is still my favorite even though it's not the fastest on this video. That front door is a Big Plus for me. You guys are looking great ❤
I really like the Balance line of catamarans, and if I had a chance that would be my first choice. Sadly, I got sidelined for health reasons, and so I slowly became of fan of watching you guys and a few others. I am surprised at the trend toward sharper corners in some of the newer boats. While it may appeal to those who like luxury, I think it looks less comfortable and welcoming. I'm still praying you guys find the boat you will be happiest on soon.
I wish Kim and I could afford a new yacht, but it’s not in the cards for us. People have no understanding of how much a new 44ft+ catamaran costs, it’s literally several million dollars. We’re looking for a used trawler, as we’re looking to do the Great Loop and the Bahamas, and the price jump from say, mid 1990s boats to Mid 2000s is literally a 300% jump in price. A new one? Over $1 million. That’s utter insanity, but it speaks volumes about depreciation.
All that fancy stuff adds weight to the boat which makes it not preform as well as a performance catamaran and causes the width of the hulls to be wider to support the added and unnecessary weight which causes you to go slower due to increased drag. That's why I'm going for a sailors catamaran which is for me the Mumby Cyber 48 or 50. The price is less than half of what many other designs are selling for used. That's because the aluminum is way less expensive than fiberglass and much faster to build which reduces labor cost and aluminum is a much better material for building boats with.
Eco friendly? ORC 57 11.7 tons 24.912 lbs of highly industrialised materials with a little icing of solar cells, that's an interesting definition of eco friendly ;-)
With a little perspective you'll see ... even aside from the hemp, this is a vessel that could last thirty, forty plus years. People living aboard full or part time are no longer on land with all the ecological costs that incurs, between housing, utilities, travel by cars, etc. Nothing's gonna be zero pollution.
Almost nothing in the human world is eco friendly, it is all just marketing. I bet the device that you typed your comment on created massive amounts of CO2.
It depends on your perspective. In terms of its performance, sailing at wind speeds most other yachts would be motoring IS eco-friendly. Not only would the owner be more sustainable but cut on fuel costs big time.
3:32 The Windelo 50 can utilize upto 3.9kW while the 54 can utilize 4.8kW of solar panel capacties. These figures do not include prop driven hydroelectric generation.
I’m going to check out the review on your other channel. I think you were pretty smitten with it. Are you certain one isn’t in your future….your near future, perhaps immediate future???
It wont be long until they make the same jump (as BEVs) and realize they can exchange the heavy diesel engines and tanks for like weight electric drives batteries and solar panels. The drive motors in reverse will work as generators when under wind so it will be a simpler and therefore more durable system. Side benefit will be 100% independence! With an onboard water maker one could be completely self sufficient at sea! Exciting times!
That's why I would look for a recent second-hand boat about a year, maybe two years old tops. Anything more than that and the risk factor piles up substantially. New is just too expensive and the wait times ridiculous in most cases. JMHO
That's a really good question. Before owning Clarity (saildrives), I'd have told you I preferred shafts as they are less complicated and thus less hassle. However, we had no problems with our SD60s. We changed out the drive seals preventatively every other year and never had any ingress issue. In contrast, we had all sorts of issues with our shaft drives on the other boats...coupler issues, packing gland issues, cutlass bearing issues. I think it is very hard to make blanket statements because we know of people who have had lots of problems with other models of saildrives. So at this point, I'd say I have zero preference. Each have benefits. How they are installed and maintained makes the biggest difference between boats. At least in our experience.
I prefer shaft for safety, less/smaller hole if container, shallower, less drag, can full service seals at anchor, lots of reasons. Not in Q, diesel outboards, less drag with tilt-up, easier to service/replace, more cabin space, lots of reasons. But emotor is the future.
Oh man...I'm feeling like a caveman now building a 45 foot douglas fir sailboat on my lawn. However, ya''ll are inspiring us to innovate and get out there sooner. Wish you best of luck on your next purchase.
Hey New wood is the new Carbon just it locks it away for life rather than making more of it. Try looking up a Royal Society of chemists article called the New wizard’s of wood. Where they modify soft woods and bamboo so that they end up rot proof and as strong as steel . Also look up a Yatching 🌍 article about how new boats are being built using wood .. then skinned with Flax or Basalt rather than glass or Carbon. 😉
Hmmm? Another Outremer Partnership Maybe?🤞Name Suggestion "VagClarity", also hints an important heath message. And kind of a finger to the jealous hatters that would no doubt appear. Safari windows are great, air & shade. White always looks fresh/clean, vs traditional timber. Lines are a challenge on many floating apartments. Think I'd want life time guarantees on that anti capsize system.
Because the vast majority of real sailors are not wealthy enough to afford a new boat, so they have to cater to a different kind of customer to move their products.
You two really are torturing yourselves going to a boat show. Unlike me and my hubby, we’re clueless about what makes a good sail boat period, let alone what would work for us personally, and our finances slap us hard right back to reality, like Cher snapping Nick Cage in Moonstruck. You two already know what’s good. But boat shows are a great learning experience and I appreciate y’all bearing the pain for the rest of us. Old boat gang-gang forever, or at least till our lottery ticket hits 🍀 🤞🏽
Ha! What a good movie that is. Yes, boat shows can stir a lot of envy. But also, we've found it's a good time to get ideas and see where designs are headed. And who knows...gotta play to win!
Thanks for the footage, love your channel so this comment is in no way directed towards you, appreciate all the content you guys put out. I had a complete opposite reaction when I visited Cannes: I was not impressed at all and in some cases I was actually disgusted (The 100 foot "sustainable" sunreef). The vast majority of the catamarans on display felt cheap and plastic and with IKEA interiors. Even brands like Outremer seem to have compromised their design philosophy to cater to the modern yachtbuyer- look at the old Outremer 55 light vs the monstrosity they had on display at Cannes. And what the hell was that spaceship catamaran next to the Catana supposed to be? The only brand there that I liked was Garcia/Allures and surprise surprise they had few visitors, because as the designer for Privilege told me "This is not a boat show for sailors, this is a boat show for real estate investors." A look around at the average festivalgoer confirmed these words for me (he then recommended I go to the yacht show at La Rochelle next time) Actually I liked Privilege too, mostly because they've always been true to what their brand is: big, slow, comfortable, well built catamarans. Compare that to Outremer, Catana, Gunboat, Balance, HH and other "performance" brands who have had to lagoonify themselves to stay in business.. If I was someone in the market for a performance catamaran I see almost no reason to spend a few million on one of these compromised designs when the old boats still exist. edit: The Privilege designer had a few choice words for the school of thought that one could outsail a storm too... he pointed out that Riley of La Vagabonde got caught in a bad storm and lost his dinghy despite being in an Outremer. "How could that happen," he said, "I thought fast boats can get ahead of storms?" (the discussion was about the design philosophy of speed+daggerboards vs simply choosing good weather windows)
Yes, these designs are a move away from the "purist" aesthetic, no doubt about that. However, I do think we have to reserve judgement on performance, at least for now. All of the boats (save the Catana perhaps) we mentioned are using so much carbon that they are maintaining weight while increasing volume. (Also, the Windelo...we don't know much about that one.) So as long as they hold up (yet to be seen, right?) then making them more livable should not have a dramatic affect on performance, except perhaps upwind where windage gets to be more of an issue. So...compromise...an old Danson 55 Light vs a new Outremer...I'll take the new one. Whether it's worth the extra million bucks? That's up to the person writing the check. But for those of us that do (or hope to) live aboard full time for long term voyaging, having more space and more visibility are major concerns. We passed right on by the Sunreef. It doesn't matter how much solar you glue to the side of that boat...it is never going to be a low-emission vehicle. As for outrunning the weather, I fundamentally disagree if we are talking tropics and subtropics with an eye on the seasons. 72 hour forecasts are pretty darn good these days and if you can make 600-800 miles in that time, you're going to avoid a lot of trouble. Riley was on the clock and pushing the corner of the seasons. He knew what he was getting into. None of the boats at the show could have gotten him out of the way of the weather he was dealing with. Anyway, thank you for your thoughts. For high latitude work, the Garcia, the Allures...they'd both be top choices for us. But makes us shiver even thinking of that!
Some of the latest Privilege yachts look like dogs, you may as well buy a motorboat. When you look at the spec they weight massive amounts, their hulls look like anchors, the main is small and high up due to the flybridge. The 510 has a terrible forward view as the windows are so high up, you may as well be in a monohull.
Nothing quite like waking up on a Saturday morning to a cup of coffee and an O'Kelly's Boat Show Special. My heart is racing, and it's not from the caffeine. Man, those are incredible yachts. Oh well, on the reality front, we finally took delivery of our new Leopard 42, SV Amore. Bringing her around to St Pete, we gave the freezer a workout by loading it up with frozen key lime pie dipped in chocolate "on a stick".... from Key West. Delicious. Amore is now at the yard. We are converting her to a 24V system, with 6 Victron 25.6V 200Ah Smart Lithiums (2400Ah @ 12V equivalent), 3280W Solar (still not enough), 3 Frigomar 24V variable speed Inverter AC units, induction cooktop, 4 in 1 Panasonic HomeChef Oven, 24V SeaWater Pro, etc., etc. Now if we could just get that pesky daughter to graduate high school and go to college, we'd be gone come December. Alas, more hurry up and wait. Cheers you guys! Thanks for your channel work.
Congratulations you guys. That is a LOT of power! Sounds like a cool project. Let us know how it goes. A lot of conversions going directly over to 48V with stepdowns. Enjoy those pies!
Suggestion - I have All-in-One Hybrid (Ecgsolax MAX-10.2K), has Multi In/Out, ~$1k (prob less where u are). Blue Fans, salesmen, installers, etc, don't think much of these, justifying $'s spent, lost profits. You could setup 8 vs Victron & still have change. Takes up much less real estate, cabling/losses. In 2yrs, like cell phones, tech will be better, can swap out with little lo$$
@@Jimfinn649 Hi Jim. I work for HH and while Jason and Nikki are having theirs built in our world class facility in China, we also build them in Cebu Philippines. Moving forward all will be built there. Just the facts.
@@TheSailingFamily So, you don't want to say how many are being built in communist China? HH has already stated that the majority of their builds were being done in China. Just the facts.
You both deserve a BRAND NEW BOAT!! and stop over thinking it.💙
They may need to consider all the elements they want, and have one custom-built to THEIR specs...?! The O'Kat.
Brand new boats have lots of problems. I have had three all from different builders. Finally realized it’s a bad idea and my current boat was three years with one very careful German owner. I looked like new but had every extra and all the problems worked out!
build another alumium cat like Nahoa II. would take 1-2 years though
As the immortal Clint Eastwood said, deserve's got nothing to do with it. We'll be on a boat soon enough and it will be the right thing at the right time. No worries.
Deserving and affording are two wildly different things…then there’s the waiting, that’s a 2+ year wait for a new spec build, at $3 million and up by the time it’s sailing on to your first port. 😬
They also might not like the boats available, and that’s a huge thing.
Frickin' awesome videos as always! Loved seeing ya meet up with the Wynns as well. It's great to see the boating life get a bit back to normal after Covid and exciting to see the new adventures with the new builds!
Thanks Nick and Megan!
The Balance looks like the best combination of performance, ergonomics, style, and practicality. Agree about the sharp edges.
All new boats are costly due to high labor costs due to the way they're made.
I checked out the C Cat 37 at le Grand Pavois on Wednesday and i was truly impressed. It got on top of my wishlist. The boat on display had already 10,000 miles on her with two Atlantic crossings. She looked brand new. He owner was also the sales rep and we had a nice hour chatting about his boat. 10 knots on average and 17 knots easily. Very roomy and fast for a rather small unit.
I had also a good look at the Neel 52 and 43. The 52 is like a house on the water. The master cabin is just fatastic. The 43 looks pretty decent.
Nick, you're showing the one concern I have had with the HH44 ever since the renderings came out.
Balance is a great boat and not too expensive relative, the ORC is awesome as well for your goals.
The helm position/s on the HH44 was my question too. I look forward to seeing if you have a go at sailing one.
Bad helm placement!
Love you guys. Great to see the Wynns with you. I follow you, the Winns and Ruby Rose.
THanks!!!
Looking forward to your Outremer 52 sea trials episode..I can see you guys in a new Outremer . seems like that is one of your favourites so far from the way you describe it in episodes and your enthusiasm about it. Sailing Great Circle couple seem to be satisfied with their's after voyaging half way around the world as they have already decided on purchasing another Outremer ...
A nice laid back time looking at this great selection. Bring on more. Nice to see the Wynns and am looking forward to their impressions of their new boat. Yours……only time will tell. 😎 But still holding my breath on your ultimate success.
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Great boats to appreciate. Thanks for talking us along. See you next time.✨ 🌊 💨 ⛵️ 🏝️ 👙 🌞 ✨
was great running into you guys at Cannes - see you out there - Captain Dietmar
Good luck on find your boat great to see the Wynn's and their frustration just waiting.
These guys have the balance between luxury cruising and living.
I like the cover of the HH, and I understand the concern about having to lean out to see the sails, but my sister has gone about three rounds with skin cancer, and I would opt for more coverage and having to lean out to peek at the sails. I guess because of all the solar they couldn't put a peephole up to the main sail? After everything you two have been through, I think a new boat would be perfect. Although, you would have to wait for it, but least you would know it was going to happen, and not all the letdowns! Sheesh!
Nikki and Jason Wynn with some impressive cooperation from Cat maker HH went the extra mile and documented everything for two years via video factory walk arounds and interviews regarding the HH people, facilities and equipment involved in the two year build process of their HH44OC (hull #3) Catamaran. Prior to the Feb 2024 start of the lengthly turn over process.Nikki and Jason when over that beautiful boat with a fine tooth comb.and video cameras. Apparent result. The HH artisans turned hull #3 into a piece of art. As to being able to get a look at the tattle tails from a helm position for trimming that will be subject to the Wynns sailing their HH44 for a while. Saso s
Really nice summary, thank you!
At the recent Sydney show the Catana was the surprise package for me.
Raised helm
Dagger boards
Big open layout
Omg full size fridge
Someone probably already said this, but in case no one did, the Garcia Explocat also has a versa-helm. Great video, thanks!
I hope you guys get a new one, you deserve it, You"re not going to run out of money, but you WILL run out of time, go for it!
lol, right-on! sounds like a lot of sailing channel intros.
Hopefully Outremer will do you a deal now that they have lost their other RUclipsrs. You deserve it, as it is a great channel.
@0:21 YEEEEEESSSS! I've been waiting to see the 72 live and you guys beat everyone to it! Thanks!
James is a pretty awesome dude. He's full of knowledge and always happy to share it.
As soon as I heard his voice I was all JAMES!!!
Very true. He's a good egg
Good to see you guys back making boat reviews again! I'm w/ you Nick, I prefer a raised helm position on a catamaran. Seems like different manufacturers have been trying to put them in all kinds of unique and novel places but the best place keeps coming back to being in a raised position. Beside the increased visibility, it's easy enough to build a small dodger to fully enclose many of these raised helms and with the glass like qualities of eisenglass, it's entirely possible to have great visibility in the worst of weather. I still prefer the use of glass and windshield wipers on some pilothouse sailboats but there are always tradeoffs.
And 'livability'. Gotta have it on a cat. No sense having increased deck space and space below and not making it very comfy. No more spartan interiors with 4" foam mattresses and tiny heads. People now want a home on the water from their boats and I can't blame them. My 30' sailboat is not that big but she's very comfy because comfort is akin to safety. If people can get proper rest, stay warm (I'm in Alaska, remember?), and eat good food, that goes a long way to keeping the mind and body sharp onboard.
Thnx for showing us the latest trend in boats I'll never be able to afford...unless I cash out my entire retirement package!
As always, another great video. Wil have to refollow the Wynn's, thanks guys
good folks. Really top notch vids
Thanks guys ❤
I’ve said from the very beginning I wasn’t sure why you were looking at second hand boats! La Vagabond, sailing Nahoa, Sailing Ruby Rose, and Gone with the Wynns all have new boats! From a RUclips perspective your on par with a new boat!
Well that'd be pretty cool wouldn't it!
Having a forward cockpit, I can't imagine anything else ever again. Mine is more enclosed than an Atlantic 57, but not completely enclosed. Doesn't matter. Its the way to go.
That show was AMAZING! ...I think you may get a brand new BOAT, I mean what else is there? ....and you are so close to 1oo,ooo subscribers!!!
yeh can you believe it? We're going to make a cake with 100000 candles on it!
Before I start watching, 🤞they scored a partnership deal.
I love Cannes, thanks for taking us there :) were you able to see any boats from Bali?
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james has a great set of videos aoubt his trimatran travels good to see hime in the industry now
Get the ORC57 even if you take it slow at say 14knots average you can go 3000km in under 9 days. where those averaging 6 knots takes 21 days.
Thankyou 👍 go for it😀
Go for a new one and get what you want! Maybe a submarine dingy too? 👍😂🤣 seriously though new would be able to truly be your boat! Keep rolling O'Kelly's and stay safe! 👍👍
Love your show....
Thank you!
just a few days ago saw a youtube video about the windelo 50. the helm arangement looked very comfortable and safe to my eyes. you're not away from the party at the saloon/galley and still in reach to every corner of the boat, especially forward (the most tricky place to be when sailing 2 handed, isnt it?! still crossing fingers for u guys to find your dream boat!
I've been O52 dreaming for a year now. Still trying to figure how to scrounge up 1.6-1.8 USD to get in line-which is out to 2027 last I checked. Until then, I'll keep living vicariously through the O'Kelly's and AWEN.Cheers!
Odisea is doing the helms the way you like
The website needs to be updated to reflect the revised design.
I could be hull 4 or 5 still thinking about it.
All these boats are just fantastic and have their merits, have to keep in mind that designing and building a catamaran is a series of compromises. ORC57 is just a spaceship in a league of its own, not something the average cruising couple wants to handle though. We agree with you on the new HH designs, awesome but will have to wait & see. Then there’s Outremer & Balance with some rock solid performance cruising platforms with pro’s and con’s to each, in the end you just have to choose what calls to you and get out there on the water. Ours splashes next year and we can’t wait, thanks for the great video!
what did you get
@@kirk9671 after much deliberation, sea trials, a zillion boat shows around the world we ended up choosing a Balance 526 MkII and have been waiting patiently for a couple years now, but starting to get real!
@@kirkb3473 wow, in am sure you will love it
@@kirkb3473 You really have a world of patience. I don't think I'd be able to wait that long for a build. The Wynns were lucky in that regard when their build spot moved up because another customer backed out and it was still a long wait. Whenever I decide to purchase I'll go straight to the recent classifieds. Pay and wait less, a _lot_ less.
good choice. Awesome boat.
Positive thinking here, with any luck many will sell there old cats for something new, leaving a possible find for you.
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I was hoping that you’d see the Wynns! Good luck on your search for a floating home.
The Wynns are idiots.
Liked th ORC 57, the guy with the muscles was a good sales guy and knew his boat. Buy that one when ya win the lottery. 🙂
I think there's a bit more horsepower on that boat than we need. But really cool to see how James has spec'd out that boat. Some great ideas that could be implemented on any boat.
For such high performance potential the ORC 57 is actually a bargain compared to a Gunboat, but it's definitively not one of the more affordable models at the show.
Finally someone sharing my thoughts on the helm positions - can’t beat line of sight when night sailing. When’s someone gonna put some lazy boys into the interior space?!? Essential anchorage snoozing option! 😂
Gunboat with a fly bridge is just wrong.... interesting to see the bigger windows and spaces, very nice for living, I'm not sure about it though. Interesting to see all that solar and batteries. How much solar? Yes. Incidentally have you had a look at the Dazcat Ocean cruiser - it has 4 potential helm positions and they will build it with whichever you want (or any combination of them) apparently they can be retrofitted too!
I think they're marketing the 72 more for the luxury segment of the market and the 68 for the performance end.
Yep, terrible as it destroys the Gunboat brand name. Yesterday Gunboat equalled speed and class. Today Gunboat equals oblivious rich.
Well I don't know about that. I spend that kind of money for a custom boat and if I want a carbon fiber kiddie pool at the helm you better build one for me. Seriously though, if you build these things out of carbon fiber, it allows a lot of latitude for comfort while still blowing away heavier glass boats with the same sail area. Pretty easy to see the loss in mainsail area on that boat, but the rig is giant. I wonder what kind of difference it makes. I bet that boat still cooks.
@@TheOKellys yeah ultimately money talks, with that specific requirement though I can see why you're having a hard time finding a new boat :-)! My main concern with flybridges is that they raise the centre of effort of the sail - which means more weight to counter the same sail area (and carbon wont change that). It does seem that "performance catamarans" are becoming more comfortable interesting to see the impact of carbon fibre being more readily available.
I am so glad you ran into Niki and Jason. They are so down to earth. They are the ones whom gave me courage to go for it. Go buy a new boat and be done with the second hand cats.
A flybridge on a sailing boat is like an outrigger on a tugboat.
Don’t know if you know about the Mumby 48. It’s an aluminum catamaran. They are supposed to have excellent performance and very affordable.
Mumby? Never heard of it. Just kidding.
One of the frustrating things for me is this whole "eco-friendly" talk about an epoxy boat. The sheer volume of plastic sheeting & tubing that is used once & discarded in the making of the hulls astounds me. I mean, yay solar power & electric motors, but it doesn't change the fact that the boat itself is not at all recyclable. If I could build whatever I wanted (waving the magic wand here... ) give me something along the lines of the ExploCat aluminum hulls, shallow stub keels with winglets, both rudder skegged & pinned, maybe a deeper drop in rudder at the back of the sugar scoop. I like HH's secure flip up stern door sort of thing, very secure on a long passage. Let's pair that with Silent Yacht solar and motors, then add Sharrow props. I need a crane on the front that can hold an emergency sail, and put the dingy on the front deck. Is she going to FLY though the water? Not so much. Will she be able to keep me & mine well protected? Definitely.
Started my first folding kayak camping adventure from Cannes to Toulon fighting against the Mistral. If you can't afford a giant cat, try Mediterranean kayak camping, max tidal range about 16 inches so clear water, no dragging & roads mostly not close to shoreline. :)
That sounds like a lot of fun.
I wish that there was more time to actually see the boats. Its the only way i can ever see and dream about owing a boat loke these.
PULL THE TRIGGER on a Balance 442!!!!! Yes, it’s pricy, but features all the characteristics you seek. I’m sure Balance would cut you a phenomenal deal in exchange for the your promotion of the brand. And I’m sure you could get production priority.
Love your content!
Appreciate that. You're very kind.
Well, that was EXCITING. I’m guessing the buyer pool for any of these boats is too small for the makers to justify a vastly reduced price to prominent RUclipsrs seeking a new boat (given the marketing value). Off to your tech channel to see the ORC 57 tour!
prominent. LOL. Thanks Jay. Never know!
@@TheOKellys Hear Hear. Jay's a smart fella. Puff the chest out Kelly ❤
Cool broski.. I learnt ton
Enjoyed seeing the new boats. I agree with helm placement, not just for seeing sails but sailing in the PNW you better have a raised helm or you’ll need a full time spotter on the bow of the boat. Too many obstacles like huge logs! Our 42 leopard with raised helm is perfect for our area even though it lacks high end speed.
The steering position on that Outremer is really nice with that bench seat. it's almost more of a chaise lounge.
It's a shame the HH has dropped the ball a little on something so important because I love the look of that boat.
I don't think they dropped the ball. They made a design choice. An argument can be made that for an offshore boat, you don't need to have great visibility on the sails...you're not sitting there trimming 24/7. A higher priority is put on living space and protection from the elements. For us personally, we like to sit there trimming and steering and tweaking, so it's not the compromise we personally are looking for, but I'm going to bet it that it is the right thing for a lot of people.
Oh please go the ORC 57! Can’t wait to see you two flying across the water with rooster tails.
Love your stuff.. get a boat😉
Why not an aft helm exposed to fair weather as well as a forward helm in a warm, snug cabin?
Nice boats hey wow. Sadly for you there is a outremer 500/51 like archer from sailing family that sold here in Malaysia a week or so ago. Nice boat.
I know the boat.
@@TheOKellys yeah it was in a marina in Thailand last month. It left a day before we left for Malaysia (Lankawi) which is a boat duty free zone. We changed our registration to here as well. My friend who is a manger in one of the marinas here told me it was sold here a day or two after it arrived.
New is nice! I can see the wheel's turning, or was that smoke? If they're too much $$$, there's always shorter ones... If you run out of things to do, you can always come help me build our new dinghy!
About Versahelm: the Garcia Explocat also has one
Thankyou 😊
Windelo is very interesting to me because of the front cockpit protected from the elements
And as for docking in the port, they should have shown you all the cameras that that cat has
We got to go on the Catana OC at the Sydney Boat Show this year, Donna fell in love with it, she doesn't really like the performance boats, so that really shocked me.
Very homey. We made friends with owners about to take delivery, so maybe we can go for a ride and see how she does.
@@TheOKellys Could you do a comparison between it and the Outremer 51?? Just a short talk. Would be great to get on some of these others, but unless they bring one in for our Aussie shows, we'll never see one.
hmmm, we'd love to, but haven't sailed either one, so our comparison wouldn't be of that much use. We've been aboard both, and looking at just the specs, they are very different boats. The Catana 50 is much larger volume and much heavier.@@shanevillis4079
20 knots Plus 2? Let's hear And see more about that one. IDK that leopard 50 is still my favorite even though it's not the fastest on this video. That front door is a Big Plus for me. You guys are looking great ❤
I really like the Balance line of catamarans, and if I had a chance that would be my first choice. Sadly, I got sidelined for health reasons, and so I slowly became of fan of watching you guys and a few others. I am surprised at the trend toward sharper corners in some of the newer boats. While it may appeal to those who like luxury, I think it looks less comfortable and welcoming. I'm still praying you guys find the boat you will be happiest on soon.
Thank you!
Why do you guys not look at the Lagoons?......for a owner liveaboard they seem to offer the most home like living especially the 55
Get the 52 you’ll enjoy iy
Dang price tag probably around 1M
I wish Kim and I could afford a new yacht, but it’s not in the cards for us. People have no understanding of how much a new 44ft+ catamaran costs, it’s literally several million dollars. We’re looking for a used trawler, as we’re looking to do the Great Loop and the Bahamas, and the price jump from say, mid 1990s boats to Mid 2000s is literally a 300% jump in price. A new one? Over $1 million. That’s utter insanity, but it speaks volumes about depreciation.
All that fancy stuff adds weight to the boat which makes it not preform as well as a performance catamaran and causes the width of the hulls to be wider to support the added and unnecessary weight which causes you to go slower due to increased drag. That's why I'm going for a sailors catamaran which is for me the Mumby Cyber 48 or 50. The price is less than half of what many other designs are selling for used. That's because the aluminum is way less expensive than fiberglass and much faster to build which reduces labor cost and aluminum is a much better material for building boats with.
Eco friendly? ORC 57 11.7 tons 24.912 lbs of highly industrialised materials with a little icing of solar cells, that's an interesting definition of eco friendly ;-)
What are you talking about? It's 100% hemp.
With a little perspective you'll see ... even aside from the hemp, this is a vessel that could last thirty, forty plus years. People living aboard full or part time are no longer on land with all the ecological costs that incurs, between housing, utilities, travel by cars, etc.
Nothing's gonna be zero pollution.
Almost nothing in the human world is eco friendly, it is all just marketing. I bet the device that you typed your comment on created massive amounts of CO2.
It depends on your perspective. In terms of its performance, sailing at wind speeds most other yachts would be motoring IS eco-friendly. Not only would the owner be more sustainable but cut on fuel costs big time.
"Eco friendly" = $$$, part of the money-making enviro industry rooted in the hoax of man-made climate change.
3:32 The Windelo 50 can utilize upto 3.9kW while the 54 can utilize 4.8kW of solar panel capacties. These figures do not include prop driven hydroelectric generation.
and what about Excess, new cat. familly... the 14 or 15 ?
My wife said "If i cant make the bunk by walking around it , Im not interested " That's what a Jeanneau 53 deck saloons done , Good luck .
I’m going to check out the review on your other channel. I think you were pretty smitten with it. Are you certain one isn’t in your future….your near future, perhaps immediate future???
Anybody can make a massive boat look good. I want to see a smaller boat that does it all. Are we a Disney cruise ship crew here?
HH50 nice helm position
Agreed. The 52 is a pretty sweet looking ride.
@@TheOKellys The HH52 is one of the best designs out there. I prefer it even over the Outremer 52.
It wont be long until they make the same jump (as BEVs) and realize they can exchange the heavy diesel engines and tanks for like weight electric drives batteries and solar panels. The drive motors in reverse will work as generators when under wind so it will be a simpler and therefore more durable system. Side benefit will be 100% independence! With an onboard water maker one could be completely self sufficient at sea! Exciting times!
The hybrid engines in the hh44 can hydrogenerate power.
If you are crossing a ocean and you lose your mast in a storm you might be in trouble not have much range with batteries.
Annapolis is right around the corner!
Its all about the price and value for money; and after that, the Delay of delivery ...And what do you have for less than 1 million?
That's why I would look for a recent second-hand boat about a year, maybe two years old tops. Anything more than that and the risk factor piles up substantially. New is just too expensive and the wait times ridiculous in most cases. JMHO
Which do you prefer; Sail drives or Shaft drives, with the plusses and minuses that comes with each system?
That's a really good question. Before owning Clarity (saildrives), I'd have told you I preferred shafts as they are less complicated and thus less hassle. However, we had no problems with our SD60s. We changed out the drive seals preventatively every other year and never had any ingress issue. In contrast, we had all sorts of issues with our shaft drives on the other boats...coupler issues, packing gland issues, cutlass bearing issues. I think it is very hard to make blanket statements because we know of people who have had lots of problems with other models of saildrives. So at this point, I'd say I have zero preference. Each have benefits. How they are installed and maintained makes the biggest difference between boats. At least in our experience.
I prefer shaft for safety, less/smaller hole if container, shallower, less drag, can full service seals at anchor, lots of reasons. Not in Q, diesel outboards, less drag with tilt-up, easier to service/replace, more cabin space, lots of reasons. But emotor is the future.
Oh man...I'm feeling like a caveman now building a 45 foot douglas fir sailboat on my lawn. However, ya''ll are inspiring us to innovate and get out there sooner. Wish you best of luck on your next purchase.
Thanks and good on ya!
Hey New wood is the new Carbon just it locks it away for life rather than making more of it. Try looking up a Royal Society of chemists article called the New wizard’s of wood. Where they modify soft woods and bamboo so that they end up rot proof and as strong as steel . Also look up a Yatching 🌍 article about how new boats are being built using wood .. then skinned with Flax or Basalt rather than glass or Carbon. 😉
@ 11:49 James sold his NEEL 51?
If Apple did a boat it would be made in China. (It is ) and the anchor would only be available from Apple as a $100k option.
lol! I thought similar, opensource android boat for me, if its cheap, fast & safe like my galaxy from HK, why not.
lol
Next up, ⚓ the iCat44 .... ⛵
Is there a cat vor 15 persons in 7-8 Kabins?
Not that we looked at. Check out Air. They are building a really big boat right now that might fit your needs.
Before I watch your video and yes I will enjoy it. I already know you didn't buy a new boat😅👍
I don't get why cameras are not mounted everywhere these days for things like sail visibility.
Salt water corrosion. Keep it simple s (KISS). Looking at a screen is distraction, reduces spacial awareness.
Hmmm? Another Outremer Partnership Maybe?🤞Name Suggestion "VagClarity", also hints an important heath message. And kind of a finger to the jealous hatters that would no doubt appear.
Safari windows are great, air & shade.
White always looks fresh/clean, vs traditional timber.
Lines are a challenge on many floating apartments.
Think I'd want life time guarantees on that anti capsize system.
Ha! LOL. Good one.
Never in my life would I have imagined a flybridge on a Gunboat
but now it's French so...
Because the vast majority of real sailors are not wealthy enough to afford a new boat, so they have to cater to a different kind of customer to move their products.
I assume you guys wont be at Annapolis in a few weeks?
If we can swing it, we will. You never know with us.
You two really are torturing yourselves going to a boat show. Unlike me and my hubby, we’re clueless about what makes a good sail boat period, let alone what would work for us personally, and our finances slap us hard right back to reality, like Cher snapping Nick Cage in Moonstruck. You two already know what’s good. But boat shows are a great learning experience and I appreciate y’all bearing the pain for the rest of us.
Old boat gang-gang forever, or at least till our lottery ticket hits 🍀 🤞🏽
Ha! What a good movie that is. Yes, boat shows can stir a lot of envy. But also, we've found it's a good time to get ideas and see where designs are headed. And who knows...gotta play to win!
Thanks for the footage, love your channel so this comment is in no way directed towards you, appreciate all the content you guys put out.
I had a complete opposite reaction when I visited Cannes: I was not impressed at all and in some cases I was actually disgusted (The 100 foot "sustainable" sunreef). The vast majority of the catamarans on display felt cheap and plastic and with IKEA interiors. Even brands like Outremer seem to have compromised their design philosophy to cater to the modern yachtbuyer- look at the old Outremer 55 light vs the monstrosity they had on display at Cannes. And what the hell was that spaceship catamaran next to the Catana supposed to be?
The only brand there that I liked was Garcia/Allures and surprise surprise they had few visitors, because as the designer for Privilege told me "This is not a boat show for sailors, this is a boat show for real estate investors." A look around at the average festivalgoer confirmed these words for me (he then recommended I go to the yacht show at La Rochelle next time) Actually I liked Privilege too, mostly because they've always been true to what their brand is: big, slow, comfortable, well built catamarans. Compare that to Outremer, Catana, Gunboat, Balance, HH and other "performance" brands who have had to lagoonify themselves to stay in business..
If I was someone in the market for a performance catamaran I see almost no reason to spend a few million on one of these compromised designs when the old boats still exist.
edit: The Privilege designer had a few choice words for the school of thought that one could outsail a storm too... he pointed out that Riley of La Vagabonde got caught in a bad storm and lost his dinghy despite being in an Outremer. "How could that happen," he said, "I thought fast boats can get ahead of storms?" (the discussion was about the design philosophy of speed+daggerboards vs simply choosing good weather windows)
Yes, these designs are a move away from the "purist" aesthetic, no doubt about that. However, I do think we have to reserve judgement on performance, at least for now. All of the boats (save the Catana perhaps) we mentioned are using so much carbon that they are maintaining weight while increasing volume. (Also, the Windelo...we don't know much about that one.) So as long as they hold up (yet to be seen, right?) then making them more livable should not have a dramatic affect on performance, except perhaps upwind where windage gets to be more of an issue.
So...compromise...an old Danson 55 Light vs a new Outremer...I'll take the new one. Whether it's worth the extra million bucks? That's up to the person writing the check.
But for those of us that do (or hope to) live aboard full time for long term voyaging, having more space and more visibility are major concerns.
We passed right on by the Sunreef. It doesn't matter how much solar you glue to the side of that boat...it is never going to be a low-emission vehicle.
As for outrunning the weather, I fundamentally disagree if we are talking tropics and subtropics with an eye on the seasons. 72 hour forecasts are pretty darn good these days and if you can make 600-800 miles in that time, you're going to avoid a lot of trouble. Riley was on the clock and pushing the corner of the seasons. He knew what he was getting into. None of the boats at the show could have gotten him out of the way of the weather he was dealing with.
Anyway, thank you for your thoughts. For high latitude work, the Garcia, the Allures...they'd both be top choices for us. But makes us shiver even thinking of that!
@@TheOKellys Thank you for the reply! Hopefully you guys find the right boat soon!
Some of the latest Privilege yachts look like dogs, you may as well buy a motorboat. When you look at the spec they weight massive amounts, their hulls look like anchors, the main is small and high up due to the flybridge. The 510 has a terrible forward view as the windows are so high up, you may as well be in a monohull.
Nothing quite like waking up on a Saturday morning to a cup of coffee and an O'Kelly's Boat Show Special. My heart is racing, and it's not from the caffeine. Man, those are incredible yachts. Oh well, on the reality front, we finally took delivery of our new Leopard 42, SV Amore. Bringing her around to St Pete, we gave the freezer a workout by loading it up with frozen key lime pie dipped in chocolate "on a stick".... from Key West. Delicious. Amore is now at the yard. We are converting her to a 24V system, with 6 Victron 25.6V 200Ah Smart Lithiums (2400Ah @ 12V equivalent), 3280W Solar (still not enough), 3 Frigomar 24V variable speed Inverter AC units, induction cooktop, 4 in 1 Panasonic HomeChef Oven, 24V SeaWater Pro, etc., etc. Now if we could just get that pesky daughter to graduate high school and go to college, we'd be gone come December. Alas, more hurry up and wait. Cheers you guys! Thanks for your channel work.
Congratulations you guys. That is a LOT of power! Sounds like a cool project. Let us know how it goes. A lot of conversions going directly over to 48V with stepdowns. Enjoy those pies!
Suggestion - I have All-in-One Hybrid (Ecgsolax MAX-10.2K), has Multi In/Out, ~$1k (prob less where u are). Blue Fans, salesmen, installers, etc, don't think much of these, justifying $'s spent, lost profits. You could setup 8 vs Victron & still have change. Takes up much less real estate, cabling/losses. In 2yrs, like cell phones, tech will be better, can swap out with little lo$$
That HH is a real looker...
A CCP brand
@@Jimfinn649 Except it's built in the Philippines (not CCP).
@@TheSailingFamily Uh, no it isn't. A few are, but per HH, Jason, and Nikki, the 44 is built in China. Pretty easy to verify.
@@Jimfinn649 Hi Jim. I work for HH and while Jason and Nikki are having theirs built in our world class facility in China, we also build them in Cebu Philippines. Moving forward all will be built there. Just the facts.
@@TheSailingFamily So, you don't want to say how many are being built in communist China? HH has already stated that the majority of their builds were being done in China. Just the facts.
Gunboat with a flybridge is like Ferrari with a trailer hitch.
LOL. I think it's closer to Bently-Ferrari. I bet it is a blast
The Wynns bought the HH44