Rights exist or they do not. Regardless whether the government is waging war, the natural rights of individuals do not change depending on circumstance
That is true, but if you want to live in a society and enjoy the benefits of it then you must relinquish some of the rights you would enjoy in a state of nature. This is part of the social contract. For example you might run around the jungle completely naked taking whatever you wish. In a society you must wear clothes and limits yourself and your freedoms for the good of others. That's the deal., i.e. the social contract. It sucks sometimes but consider the alternative.
@@tcorourke2007 I guess if you read just the last line of my post then you might argue that is what I said, but look at the first part. "If you want to live in a society and enjoy the benefits of it then you must relinquish some of the rights you would enjoy in a state of nature."
@@glennwatson3313 Your reply insinuates that I did not read what you wrote, which is insulting and qualifies repeating yourself as rude. Frankly, your original comment was too loosely worded to determine if you actually comprehended the issues at hand. I chose to believe you did and were merely writing informally, so I responded in kind with a logical extension of your argument: “Because you cannot provide me an acceptable alternative, my conclusion must be true”. My apologies, I will make no more assumptions. If your demand is I address the falseness of the your premises and/or the dichotomy you were attempting to establish, you will need to overhaul your statement for clarity. I’ll get you started: Rousseau claims that natural rights are inalienable, which would render them impossible to relinquish. I await your thoughtful response.
@@tcorourke2007 I am not insinuating it I am flat out saying it. I wrote a post about the social contract . You ignored the social contact and made a flippant reply. It was at the very least a disingenuous thing to do. As far as my being being rude, that is nonsense. If you did not like the way I wrote my post that is your prerogative. As far as demands you imagine I am making let me put your mind to rest. I am making no demands, merely pointing out what happened. My position is clear. We live in a society and enjoy the benefits . That requires the relinquishing of some rights that exist in a state of nature. Schenck did not want to give up a right to speak out during war but he wanted to enjoy living in the United States. He could no have it both ways. If you are trying to deny the social contact and its limiting effect on natural rights I would like to hear you argument. If, as I suspect, you want to turn this into a personal assessment of of my capabilities I will lose interest quickly. The bottom line is I want to hear what you think about the topic at hand. I could care less what you think about me or the way I write. Rousseau did talk about inalienable rights but Thomas Hobbes, John Locke, and Jean-Jacques Rousseau also talk about the social contract. Which is a deal made between the government and the people. And like any contract you are required to give and take. The people give up some rights in exchange for the benefits of society. For example if you want to run around naked, have at it, in a state of nature. But you can't do that on main street. I'm sorry if you don't like it but that is the deal. Schenck did not like losing his right to speak against the war. He wanted the benefits of society and all of his rights as well, without qualification Nothing is impossible to relinquish. You have to cooperate to live in society. I will read your reply as long as it sticks to the topic.
I think the real problem is since this is such a minor "crime" and so debatable that he should at least have been left unpunished since his argument was valid before they decided its different now.
@@zhouwu The prosecution was indeed abandoned, but the ruling ended up spiraling into a series of sedition arrests that grew more and more tenuous each case. Eventually in Abrams V United states, Abrams was sentenced 10 to 20 years for sedition after he urged for the reduction of the production of war-essential materials. This itself was so far pulled from Schenck's case that Abram's argument was indeed valid before the supreme court decided otherwise.
I'm sure you can find lots to say. Even if it was from 9 months ago, enough time for a human being to go from conception to a live birth. For one thing, it shows that no one right is guaranteed without being balanced by all the other rights.
Who else is watching this for their AP Gov class?
me but for reg gov
i hate ap gov
me
I'm watching this for default us history
@@ethanstephenson534 oof, at the time i wrote this i was a senior in highschool, now im a junior in college :o
Anyone else doing court cases?
Mousehunter Mouser for my upcoming senior class's AP Government and Economics summer assignment...yep...
YES, I'm glad this video is available for me to cheat off of 😁👍🏻
Yep... So much fun
yes for my AP Gov and politics class😁
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Rights exist or they do not. Regardless whether the government is waging war, the natural rights of individuals do not change depending on circumstance
That is true, but if you want to live in a society and enjoy the benefits of it then you must relinquish some of the rights you would enjoy in a state of nature. This is part of the social contract. For example you might run around the jungle completely naked taking whatever you wish. In a society you must wear clothes and limits yourself and your freedoms for the good of others. That's the deal., i.e. the social contract. It sucks sometimes but consider the alternative.
@@glennwatson3313 "Do you have a better idea" is not an argument.
@@tcorourke2007 I guess if you read just the last line of my post then you might argue that is what I said, but look at the first part.
"If you want to live in a society and enjoy the benefits of it then you must relinquish some of the rights you would enjoy in a state of nature."
@@glennwatson3313 Your reply insinuates that I did not read what you wrote, which is insulting and qualifies repeating yourself as rude.
Frankly, your original comment was too loosely worded to determine if you actually comprehended the issues at hand. I chose to believe you did and were merely writing informally, so I responded in kind with a logical extension of your argument: “Because you cannot provide me an acceptable alternative, my conclusion must be true”. My apologies, I will make no more assumptions.
If your demand is I address the falseness of the your premises and/or the dichotomy you were attempting to establish, you will need to overhaul your statement for clarity. I’ll get you started:
Rousseau claims that natural rights are inalienable, which would render them impossible to relinquish.
I await your thoughtful response.
@@tcorourke2007 I am not insinuating it I am flat out saying it. I wrote a post about the social contract . You ignored the social contact and made a flippant reply. It was at the very least a disingenuous thing to do.
As far as my being being rude, that is nonsense. If you did not like the way I wrote my post that is your prerogative.
As far as demands you imagine I am making let me put your mind to rest. I am making no demands, merely pointing out what happened.
My position is clear. We live in a society and enjoy the benefits . That requires the relinquishing of some rights that exist in a state of nature. Schenck did not want to give up a right to speak out during war but he wanted to enjoy living in the United States. He could no have it both ways.
If you are trying to deny the social contact and its limiting effect on natural rights I would like to hear you argument. If, as I suspect, you want to turn this into a personal assessment of of my capabilities I will lose interest quickly.
The bottom line is I want to hear what you think about the topic at hand. I could care less what you think about me or the way I write.
Rousseau did talk about inalienable rights but Thomas Hobbes, John Locke, and Jean-Jacques Rousseau also talk about the social contract. Which is a deal made between the government and the people. And like any contract you are required to give and take. The people give up some rights in exchange for the benefits of society.
For example if you want to run around naked, have at it, in a state of nature. But you can't do that on main street. I'm sorry if you don't like it but that is the deal. Schenck did not like losing his right to speak against the war. He wanted the benefits of society and all of his rights as well, without qualification
Nothing is impossible to relinquish. You have to cooperate to live in society.
I will read your reply as long as it sticks to the topic.
Thank you. These videos help my students better understand content in my social studies classes.
Teach them about the Brandenberg case- this video left out that it supplanted the Clear and Present Danger test.
Am I the only one doing this for U.S history?
Ur not alone
no im just cheatin
I think the real problem is since this is such a minor "crime" and so debatable that he should at least have been left unpunished since his argument was valid before they decided its different now.
But I thought his only punishment is that he got told he can't just say whatever he wants without consequence anymore?
@@zhouwu The prosecution was indeed abandoned, but the ruling ended up spiraling into a series of sedition arrests that grew more and more tenuous each case. Eventually in Abrams V United states, Abrams was sentenced 10 to 20 years for sedition after he urged for the reduction of the production of war-essential materials. This itself was so far pulled from Schenck's case that Abram's argument was indeed valid before the supreme court decided otherwise.
Schenck was wronged
We all were. And are. It has not been overturned.
What’s playing in the background?
Really helpful, thank you!
I have no idea what this guy was just talking bout 😂
Who is here for their English/Gov assignment lmao
perhaps
Great video!
anyone know what this case shows about the Constitutions weakness and strengths?
I'm sure you can find lots to say. Even if it was from 9 months ago, enough time for a human being to go from conception to a live birth. For one thing, it shows that no one right is guaranteed without being balanced by all the other rights.
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