Great review....super fun.....and even better banter. Mind you, I still haven't a clue which one I'd have in the garage, given half the chance! Take care and thanks again for another excellent upload.
I’ve test rode MT10 not the sp . Bought the ktm close call difference flavours . I’ve done a euro trip on the ktm evo and had clutch problems still rideable home but only just . So reliable is important along way from home .
@@marksmith8663 had a 2017 SD that I rode like a rental car, trading it in after 13k miles. Only issue was an ECU failure code. Disconnected the battery for a few minutes and it went away. I traded it for a 2021 890R Duke. Zero mechanical issues with either, just the same fault, that resets. My wife has a 2022 MT09SP. It’s a fantastic bike, produces the same numbers as my bike but they are different animals. The orange bike is only a few pounds lighter, but feels like a lot less. Believe too many get information from hearsay, not so much real life experience. Most major manufacturers make really good bikes these days.
Great review. Looks like you had great fun. I've got a Superduke R and I can't stop smiling when I ride it. I've tried a few MT-10's and they didn't really give me the fizz. I'm surprised at Choppsie as you loved your SDR's. I think Greg should take over the channel. 😉
I rode a 890 Duke R and the bike was already having mechanical issues. Had to pull over while the other riders went on. Immediately got a USED mt10. Could not be happier
I have a 2022 MT-10SP as my road bike and a 2020 S1000RR M-Sport as my track bike. I honestly think this is one of the best combos you could get to cover both bases. I don’t know why, but the 10SP is more than the sum of it’s parts. I suspect the sound of the CP4 (with a full system obviously) is the secret ingredient. As for the brakes - all the 10SP needs is a pad upgrade (Brembo SR for me) and proper bleed of the fluid. The Brembo master cylinder and steel braided lines definitely don’t need upgrading - yet another reason to go for the SP over the base model.
The Super Duke in track mode with traction control set to 1 and the wheelie control OFF is still a very rideable bike but it becomes considerably quicker. The wheelie control etc. does hold the bike back a fair bit. I bought the Evo and don't regret it, because it sets up the proper sags on its own and the bike never, ever feels like it needs attention, it's just ready to go at all times. Theres also the anti-dive which I really like but only on smooth roads, it does make the front fork a little harsher.
What a pair of beauties, Chopsy and Gregorio 😁Great review and two very well thought out and put together bikes which is why its hard to separate them! Both are great road bikes and I love the look of them. Maybe the SDR wins it for me as it's a little bit more radical looking and extreme in its styling. MT10 is beautifully finished and lovely paint job. Both have soul too! Can't go wrong with either I say! 😅
If ever possible, can you do a review with the Kawasaki Concourse & Yamaha FJR, and compare them with the new sport tourers of today & see if they are still relevant.
Awesome video ! Can't wait for the 1250rs vs mandello. Would love to hear how you'd rank the super nakeds in order of which you'd most want to own. The KTM, Ducati, triumph, Yamaha, Aprilia
A lot of amazing videos coming out from Lambchops lately, keep if up Chopsy! You and Greg, a combo which made this channel even better than it was. I remember when the MT-10 first came out 2016, back then reviewers barely had it in videos when they compared super/hyper nakeds, they did not even count the MT-10 as a super/hypernaked. It is a whole other story today, today the MT-10 is competing with the best. I actually chose the MT-10 over the Super Duke 2019 when I bought the MT-10. If only the MT-10 had a more aggressive riding position I would love it to death, such an amazing bike and it has the best sound together with the Tuono V4 compared to all other bikes
@mathias6423 You again! I agree dude they should make the mt10sp more aggressive like they do with m1000r compared to s1000r from bmw. Imagine if the mt10sp had those lower bars and maybe a little more power in the engine like the m1000r. then the mt10sp would be my dreambike.
@@anderssvensson1815 Yeah, I love the BMW M1000R. For me it has the best riding position out of every naked bike out there, also the top end is INSANE. Yeah that kind of riding position on the MT-10 would be something else man
Wait a minute dear oh dear! The sd tops out in 2nd at 125km/hr or so and the mt10 does exactly than on 1st. On 2nd the mt10 tops at around 150km/hr. So what is the point on doing roll-ons using the same gear on both bikes? This applies to many such comparisons on your videos. Otherwise, very entertaining as usually and thanks a lot for your energy and effort. I am a subscriber since day 1 😊
I had a Gen 1 Gen 2 the newer model is a completely different machine. Yamaha is a great Japanese brand but in person doesn't have the wow appeal. I traded a 2021 MT09 SP in for my current Super Duke. It was a pretty bike but no braded lines brakes i up graded pads. Motor was nice but lacked the torque I was use to from the previous KTM dukes I've owned. Unless you owned a Duke you might not appreciate just how dynamic they are. They are in a league and class of there own. The wow factor is immense looks performance Etc. @@mojoleon2
I purchased the SDR evo, 1000 miles and it’s great to ride on the b road twisties, in fact this is where it should live. It’s not really good for much else, track stuff would be fun. The elephant in the room is the reliability, mine has already thrown up numerous electrical faults and has a failed preloaded which after only 1000 miles is shocking. It’s on its last chance as far as I’m concerned, The dealer said they can fix the constant MTC failure fault and if not it will be going back. After coming from trouble free Yamaha and Honda for the last 5 years my first foray into KTM has not been great. I see KTM are offering 4 yrs warranty now on 2023 bikes which in all honestly you def need if buying one.
I love the riding dynamics of KTM, but the well documented reliability niggles are a concern for long term buyers. I prefer riding my motorcycle to getting taxis while my KTM is back at the dealers getting fixed. Again.
I've always said it, 'There is no such thing as too much power'. I agree with you about the keyless issue, what a stupid idea, I've ridden home loads of times with the key in the back seat slot, luckily it hasn't fallen out yet. Yamaha ergos have always been brilliant, Wales and back in a day from London used to be easy on my old R1, unfortunately KTM have turned up and moved the goalposts. My 1290 R is the most fun bike Ive had. Looking forward to a Rocket 3 R though
Chaps apologies.....awesome vid ! Thanks for all your efforts 👌 boys could i ask what comms / intercoms your using pls ??? Cheers chaps ! Keep up the Epic work
I have SD Evo found leaving the suspension in auto on the road . Very quick to change to road surface and speed . Leaving both in auto be a good compromise. As depending on surface and speed will adjust the damping. Brakes are good Wouldn’t say they Instant sharp . Taken it on track once wouldn’t be first choice for a track bike but good fun .
Nice content as always. Only one comment was that provided you were comparing two bikes with semi electronic suspension I was expecting a bit more of practical comparison between the two bikes and systems and this was not the case here. I would say that the WP system has become quite good in particular in the EVO and it completes the super duke quite well, bringing it to a level with Ohlins.
What a surprising result, Chopsie! :-) Great review. I owned a manual suspension version of the SD...nice bike, but I really didn't like the riding position and I found the suspension harsh. Rode a mate's MT10SP and was very impressed. Really comfortable, and, being a Yamaha it will start every time.... A 10SP with Brembos and a full system would be great.
I have watched you for a long time. Just starting to feel you are being careful not to upset the manufacturers. Still good content but a shame its heading like some of the others I used to watch and stopped. But I'm still watching so can't be to bad. Just my personal opinion of course.
Kind of hard to review bikes it you say what the manufacturer doesn’t want to hear, you gotta play the game. The only unbiased reviews are from people who bought the bikes with their own money. Much more trustworthy, they’ll either sing its praises if it’s good or say how crap it is and how unhappy they are. Never take the word of an influencer at face value.
Fair play Chopsy, your production values are just getting better and better. I think that you're probably the best out there now. As a presenting team, you and Greg are great, it just works! I tried out a 1st gen SD back in the day, it was a revelation to me, being a youngish, new rider at the time. These days I ride a R1200R, the model preceding the 1250, same shape, etc. Obviously, it falls into the 'capable' category, not the 'super-fast' category. So, last week, I tried out the current SD. I went up the road crying in fits of laughter...honestly, it was too much for me. I gave it back to the Saleslady, I said "I love it, but there's no point in a follow-up phone call"🤣 Great work gents, thanks again👍
I've owned both of these bikes in their standard form (without the electronic suspension). 2023 MT10 is my current bike and benefits from probably the most characterful and dynamic engine ever created. Agree with your verdict re the KTM, think it's absolutely the best all around performing naked, but it's so good, you need to be doing silly speeds for it to make sense. Downside is KTM reliability, hence why I have my second MT10. MT10 suspension is set a fraction hard for the road from the factory, but dialling out is easy and a decent set up can be achieved for road or track. KTM definitely has the most compliant suspension along with the best brakes and lives on UK roads well. I've bough my second MT10 (after stacking up all of the options) because it has that engine and is all day and even touring comfortable (when fitted with comfort seat), handles just about perfectly on the road (and decent if not the best on track), is as fast as anything to 140mph, has typical Japanese reliability and you can have enough spare cash for a year's worth of track days with the money saved against the SDR. Reliability is unfortunately the KTM's sticking point (but they are great when they're working) and from experience, I won't be buying another. Further points relating to the Yamaha comfort seat. First and foremost, it is bloody comfortable but also sits the rider roughly 1.5 inches higher. This improves leg room and also places a tad more weight over the bars, improving front end feel and strangely resulting in a sportier riding position. It's a double whammy and the one MT10 accessory I'd recommend over any other. Cheers.
It was a good read, can you please explain what went wrong with KTM because after spending more than year deciding what bike i am getting, my list was including Ducati SFV4, Ninja ZH2 and MT10 and so far the new 2024 KTM stole my heart, your feedback would really appreciated.
Hi Tim. The KTM is superb when it's all working correctly. I suffered the screen going down, MTC warning lights on a brand new bike where the fault couldn't be diagnosed and which ultimately couldn't be resolved (the dealer swapped the bike). Cables rub and chafe through around the headstock causing further fault codes and finally, the bike would sometimes recognise the fob for the keyless start and other times it wouldn't even when placed against the receiver unit. Conversely, my new Yamaha MT10 has now covered 4k miles since June this year and has been 100%. Put the key in and it starts first time every time, doesn't use oil and has never had a warning light displayed. More fun than the KTM, but possibly because it's not quite as good in a few areas, so you need to be on your game and work a bit harder to get the most out of it. I ride my bikes hard, I'm not a nutter, but they do get properly used and the KTM makes everything so easy. You need to be doing something silly to upset it and the only thing to criticise is the OEM steering damper which appears to have little to no damping at the very initial part of the movement. I think it's mechanically quite solid and most of the issues appear to be electrical. I hear there are some that don't have issues and others become a nightmare, but I can only speak from my personal experience. Hope this helps.
@@Tig-Boy I absolutely appreciate your feedback sir, you helped and made me sure that superduke is what i need, regarding the electrical issues i am gonna pray that the new 1390 is reliable and bulletproof, i just can’t swallow the MT 10 look no matter how good it rides, i hope they change the look in the next upgrade. Thanks a lot fir your feedback.
Just bought the SDR Evo and it was a choice between this and the MT10 SP. In the end it was the current deals on offer from KTM that swung it. To ride I loved both and both have unique looks. £3000 off and 4.9% APR PCP for KTM verses no real discount and 9.9% APR on Yam. Made the monthly difference significantly in favour of the SDR despite its higher list price
They might be a reason for the discount….thankfully you got it on pcp and can hand it back. They seem to have lots of problems, with at least 2 people having to hand them back due to persisting electrical problems.
The main issue I found with owning large capacity,high performance bikes is usability. Unless you do track days,you can’t use even a third of the performance without doing your licence and winding up before the beak or both. Mid-rangers still have very good performance. Insurance and rego are less expensive. A Triumph 750 Speed Triple would do me . I think it exists. I don’t think you can beat the orange,appearance wise. For me the KTM Super Duke wins hands down in terms of looks and performance. The Yamaha looks like it needs to lose some bulk and weight.
The low down grunt on the 1290's is the winner. Powering out of bends without waiting for it to spool up is what gaps people on other bikes. Do that bend after bend and you ease away. Having the instant power and instant shut downof power/engine braking means you have so much control with just the throttle. 👌
I can’t speak for the MT10 but the Superduke is probably the most usable Hypernaked there is. All the crazy grunt is delivered instantly. I got rid of the Tuono 1100factory because it was just too good at getting to triple figures without allowing me to satisfy that urge. I own a Gen 2 Superduke and it’s the best bike I’ve ridden other than the Gen 3.
Pull the forks through the yolks 10mm and turn the bar risers 180 degrees (bars 10mm forward from standard) and the MT feels much better! Fit different risers that lower the bars 10mm from standard as well as 10mm forward from standard and it is better again. As for that special something, it's most likely the Crossplane engine, or the sound at least... It's got the Tuono-esque sound but with reliability...
Coming from the 2020 Tuono the choice was easy peasy - MT-10. It's not a Playboy centerfold bike looks wise, but it beats the KTM hands down IMO. I can't get my head around the origami Mantis look of the KTM. Also, judging by friends bikes it's a coin toss whether you get one that passed quality control, in which case they're quite nice, or a one that didn't and you end up spending your riding season with the bike at the dealer's garage getting fixed half of the time. Also, in Sweden the KTM cost way more to insure which just nails the coffin lid shut. EDIT: And i just plain *will not* pay a penny to get features already on a bike "unlocked" I find that appaling to be honest. Cheers for another nice vid guys!
I have the SDR. No major niggles with it yet. Looks wise I think it looks like a stealth fighter jet, with the angular design. The MT, to me looks like that transformer, Bumblebee.
You two are like Batman and Robin off the bike world 🌎,, brilliant team ,, ☺️ really enjoyed the video,, onward and upward 👆,,☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️ from northern Ireland
Super video, as always a very nice comparison between these two mighty machines , please could you do a comparison between a multistrada V4S and V4S pikes peak please ?
I think a lot of us have recently been torn between these two... I was coming off an S1000RR, so I ended up with the SDR because the twin seemed a nice change from the inline 4. I did shift the handlebars to the rear position on the SDR, it's like a 20mm difference but it feels a lot better. Otherwise I think both bikes are brilliant!
I will say, of all the bikes I've owned, the SDR has gotten the most comments from bystanders. Maybe it's a US thing because KTM street bikes in general here are more rare, but it does feel like a bit of exotica.
I’m a 2020 SDR owner. Only two problems I had (one was my doing) was the gear shifter lever came loose of the shift shaft spline. I put the strongest loktie on it and re-torqued it down… no problems since. Other issue was after I washed the bike, I must have gotten water in the left handlebar button module and the enter button stopped working. $600 for a new one. Lesson… don’t spray water at the handlebar. Enjoy the SDR!
I understand the weight of this decision on Chop's face! I think it means that if you're serious about performance nakeds then you definitely need to own both of these amazing bikes at some stage - Both somehow quite different but at the same time both also undeniably brilliant great fun big power rides - But be warned that they do complicate a motorcyclists life - Because they're both so good that if/when you ever sell thse bikes, you will probably always have that little voice in the back of your head that (rightly) tells you that buying another one would be a great idea!
I have owned a lot of bikes, almost embarrassingly so. I recently owned a 2019 MT10 and it was an excellent machine but after living with it for a while I started to notice the budget items that began to annoy me. The dodgy cable clutch, ok quality switch gear etc. All acceptable but could have been better. Hopefully this SP model addresses some of that. I ended up buying a 2022 SD Evo, once I addressed ergos, moved the bars back etc. it fit perfectly. I never judge a bike until it has broken in and my body gets used to it and after living with the KTM not only do I think it is a better machine than the MT10 (Non SP) It could be the best motorcycle I have ever owned. I am sure the SP is a great machine but man, no way is it even close to how refined and almost perfect that the KTM is. It's always a matter of opinion but the over ruling factor for me on any machine is simply smile factor and the SD is in a league of its own for that. I am a huge Ducati fan and have 3 but I think the SD trumps them all. I cannot recommend the SD Evo enough!
I want to like your channel, you come across as very engaging and your passion for bikes is obvious and infectious. It’s just the whole video appears to have been filmed on roads where the speed limit is no more than 60 yet you appear to pay scant regard to this. This seems to be a bit of a recurring theme in your road tests yet motorcycling is so much more than speed and you miss so much riding that way.
Great review guys 👍 cant believe you chose the MT 10 Chops!! 🤦♂️... nice one Greg defo my choice and dont forget 3k off the SDR at the moment to. Both great bikes but i just love the crazy SDR 👍👍
@@LambChopRides Your getting older I am 62 Years I made myself sell my KawasakiZxr14r this one had 208 Hp Back , with OHLIN'S all round , I gave Myself a big scare 6 months ago , I Went within two inches of running out Of road around corner at Double the Speed limit on that corner , I pulled Over , at 62 you must of lost bit , by now , experience helps , but now my Experience said time to slow Down Sold it , have a Adventure tiger 1200 Now , go of road now , and I still can Get on it , but you have more time , So Lampchop , I understand why you Chosen the Mt 10 , and the extra 60 Hp I don't have I do miss, I admit Ps It is the right move, it a sad week A Friend was Raceing at Wanneroo Race way Western Australia , on a R1 On Slicks , a great bloke he came of And we lost him , I can see Chris now In my Head, so sad ,
Flip a coin? . Both bikes are amazing , but for me the the KTM just edged out the MT . This is just based on what I like in styling and looks and performance. Great video enjoyed the on road banter with you and Greg , makes for a good balance. Look forward to the next instalment of Chops & Greg .
My current bike is 2022 MT09sp and I love it, the only thing I want is a little bit more power so I can hang out with the big bikes, now I do love both bikes but from your video I think my next bike would be the MT10sp The only thing I don't like is the front end, does it look better in person?
Love the video although i'd be cackingit riding those bikes in just a hoodie. Here in France mind you your average mt09/10 rider is in shorts popping wheelies 😀
Hi Chopsy. . Was wondering. .you've done reviews of various super nakeds now. I'd be fascinated if you were to review an expensive super naked like an MT10 / superduke with a v good but cheaper naked like the triumph street triple 765RS etc. Is the triumph better value for money and effectively just as good on the road etc . . Thoughts? Cheers
This would be a great comparison - how about it @lambchoprides? There must be quite a few of us trying to decide whether or not we need supernaked power on the road or if it's a more engaging experience to extract the full performance more of the time from a good middleweight naked?
If I was lucky enough to be given one of these fantastic machines and had a choice, I would have the Yamaha but I would have to change the front headlight’s, it reminds me of Jeff Goldblum when he transformed into “The Fly.” It’s just ugly imo. Great channel Chopsy! ❤️🤘
Currently own an SDR, and after replacing the radiator, clutch cover gasket, oil temp sensor, tail light and disc rotors… I’m done… great fun bike, but the ownership experience is not what I’d expected. Yamaha MT10SP on order and arriving Monday.
Fellow riders, anybody here with some experience with windscreens for MT-10 RN45? Which one do you recommend for average height rider (180cm)? I've bought MRA racing, it is killing me, waaaay toooo much wind noise.
@@liamvickerman4745 I see that, too. The KTM appears as though they tasked somebody there on work experience to copy the shape of the Triumph Speed Triple.
Re: acceleration “ roll ons “ I guess Mr. Chops is still around 20st.. and Giorgio maybe 13 st ? So not really a fair roll on test. Shows how bloody good the KTM is ! …Entertaining as always though ! Thank you both.
I've owned gen 2 SD and a 2019 MT10, both were awesome and different, but I felt the MT10 was more playful and fun, even though it's less powerful than the KTM.
Wow.....hard choice.....decisions decisions? Do I go for the looks of KTM versus the reliability of the Yamaha ? Basically that is what it boils down to........soooooo Aprillia it is then ! 😂😂😂 Great review again Chops 😊👍
I will take japanese reliability after owning a couple of KTM super dukes, I now have had a MT10 for over 2 years which has had no issues.
I test rode a 2023 MT10 today. Incredible bike, very comfortable. Love the geometry.
Great review....super fun.....and even better banter. Mind you, I still haven't a clue which one I'd have in the garage, given half the chance! Take care and thanks again for another excellent upload.
Own the MT, ride the KTM. The KTM is everything a HyperNaked is, the MT is what it is, plus the Japanese reliability.
Reliability means a lot IMO
I’ve test rode MT10 not the sp . Bought the ktm close call difference flavours . I’ve done a euro trip on the ktm evo and had clutch problems still rideable home but only just . So reliable is important along way from home .
@@marksmith8663 had a 2017 SD that I rode like a rental car, trading it in after 13k miles. Only issue was an ECU failure code. Disconnected the battery for a few minutes and it went away. I traded it for a 2021 890R Duke. Zero mechanical issues with either, just the same fault, that resets. My wife has a 2022 MT09SP. It’s a fantastic bike, produces the same numbers as my bike but they are different animals. The orange bike is only a few pounds lighter, but feels like a lot less. Believe too many get information from hearsay, not so much real life experience. Most major manufacturers make really good bikes these days.
@@marksmith8663had enough of all the problems with my gen 3 superduke I got rid of it, shame tho as it was a fucking riot to ride
@@Scoodee17I have a 2018 SD and hate the damn thing, you touch it and it’s broken.
Always entertaining Chopsy👍 Did love Greg's comment about the mt10's display looking like you're looking at it with binoculars around the wrong way 😂
I agree, too small.
As an MT10 owner, I cannot disagree with your opinion. All you need is the comfort seat and the screen. Superb bike.
You guys work well together,great banter between you..hope to see more of the same soon
Great review. Looks like you had great fun. I've got a Superduke R and I can't stop smiling when I ride it. I've tried a few MT-10's and they didn't really give me the fizz. I'm surprised at Choppsie as you loved your SDR's. I think Greg should take over the channel. 😉
Great stuff! Great communication, great detailed info and the “fun” aspect gets through the screen.
I rode a 890 Duke R and the bike was already having mechanical issues. Had to pull over while the other riders went on. Immediately got a USED mt10. Could not be happier
Just dropping a comment here to say I love content like this. Keep it up Chopsy.
Glad you enjoy it! 👍
Love the comparison reviews. Keep them coming.
Another great comparison vid guys, very entertaining. Can't go wrong with either but also can't underestimate the Yamaha's bulletproof build quality.
Ah, I've been waiting for this one!
Thumbs up even before I start watching 👍
Good man 😁👍
Great formula Chopsy, enjoy hearing two knowledgeable guys chatting about something they clearly love.
Glad you enjoyed it! 😁👍
I have a 2022 MT-10SP as my road bike and a 2020 S1000RR M-Sport as my track bike. I honestly think this is one of the best combos you could get to cover both bases. I don’t know why, but the 10SP is more than the sum of it’s parts. I suspect the sound of the CP4 (with a full system obviously) is the secret ingredient. As for the brakes - all the 10SP needs is a pad upgrade (Brembo SR for me) and proper bleed of the fluid. The Brembo master cylinder and steel braided lines definitely don’t need upgrading - yet another reason to go for the SP over the base model.
As soon as I saw this come up on RUclips I ran to the kettle to make my self a brew then got comfy! Cracking vid lads 😀🏍️🤟🏴
Hope you enjoy! 😁👍
Good content chops. I like these joint reviews with your mate 🖖
another great back to back review chopsy ! both of you are really easy to watch . id also go with the MT10 because Japanese 🤣
Great review as normal guys, really love the way you too work together.
Glad you enjoyed it Jeff 👍
The Super Duke in track mode with traction control set to 1 and the wheelie control OFF is still a very rideable bike but it becomes considerably quicker. The wheelie control etc. does hold the bike back a fair bit. I bought the Evo and don't regret it, because it sets up the proper sags on its own and the bike never, ever feels like it needs attention, it's just ready to go at all times. Theres also the anti-dive which I really like but only on smooth roads, it does make the front fork a little harsher.
What a pair of beauties, Chopsy and Gregorio 😁Great review and two very well thought out and put together bikes which is why its hard to separate them! Both are great road bikes and I love the look of them. Maybe the SDR wins it for me as it's a little bit more radical looking and extreme in its styling. MT10 is beautifully finished and lovely paint job. Both have soul too! Can't go wrong with either I say! 😅
Love your comparisons! Keep it going!
Thank you! Will do!
If ever possible, can you do a review with the Kawasaki Concourse & Yamaha FJR, and compare them with the new sport tourers of today & see if they are still relevant.
"I think your clutch could be malfunctioning there, Greg." 😂
Great review guys! Hope Greg sorted his malfunctioning clutch!! 🤣
Come on Chopsy - I've just bought an SDR on your recommendation! Now you're telling me it should've been an MT10SP, ffs 😂
Haha both brilliant! 😂👍
Awesome video ! Can't wait for the 1250rs vs mandello. Would love to hear how you'd rank the super nakeds in order of which you'd most want to own. The KTM, Ducati, triumph, Yamaha, Aprilia
Great as always chaps, but a track day super naked shootout would be 👌🏼
Engineer: I’ve got idea. Let’s put a little slot to keep the key in, in the middle of the dash.
Other engineers: faaarkkk off that’ll never catch on.
Another great team review much appreciated. I agree with chops the MT10 has a playful X factor which swings it
bloody hell great vid guys love it!!!
Thanks Craig 👍
Love these vs jib jobs. Good work
Great video as usual. What about a mt10 vs s1000r?. I know that you have a fondness for both. I think it would be a good comparison.
Great video. That MT-10 SP is an awesome bike and would be more reliable to live with.
But clearly nowhere near as awesome!
@@user-cn8vb9hh5zno, much better. Because it is great now and in 10 years from now when the KTM will be a pile of crap.
@cp4512 agreed
Great comparison Chopsy and Greg , looks like you both enjoyed that . .👍. Both great bikes , KTM has the better looks in my view . 👍
A lot of amazing videos coming out from Lambchops lately, keep if up Chopsy! You and Greg, a combo which made this channel even better than it was.
I remember when the MT-10 first came out 2016, back then reviewers barely had it in videos when they compared super/hyper nakeds, they did not even count the MT-10 as a super/hypernaked.
It is a whole other story today, today the MT-10 is competing with the best.
I actually chose the MT-10 over the Super Duke 2019 when I bought the MT-10. If only the MT-10 had a more aggressive riding position I would love it to death, such an amazing bike and it has the best sound together with the Tuono V4 compared to all other bikes
Thanks buddy 👍
@mathias6423 You again! I agree dude they should make the mt10sp more aggressive like they do with m1000r compared to s1000r from bmw. Imagine if the mt10sp had those lower bars and maybe a little more power in the engine like the m1000r. then the mt10sp would be my dreambike.
@@anderssvensson1815 Yeah, I love the BMW M1000R. For me it has the best riding position out of every naked bike out there, also the top end is INSANE. Yeah that kind of riding position on the MT-10 would be something else man
“I think your clutch is malfunctioning” love it lol 😆
Wait a minute dear oh dear! The sd tops out in 2nd at 125km/hr or so and the mt10 does exactly than on 1st. On 2nd the mt10 tops at around 150km/hr. So what is the point on doing roll-ons using the same gear on both bikes? This applies to many such comparisons on your videos. Otherwise, very entertaining as usually and thanks a lot for your energy and effort. I am a subscriber since day 1 😊
I got the SDR and dont think there is anything i would want to swap it for, its amazing
Agree ! I think its the best bike Ive ever owned. I have a 2023
Same here ! ;P@@ScottyRocket222
I know. Where do you possibly go from here? 9 years in and I still don't see anything better.
I had a Gen 1 Gen 2 the newer model is a completely different machine. Yamaha is a great Japanese brand but in person doesn't have the wow appeal. I traded a 2021 MT09 SP in for my current Super Duke. It was a pretty bike but no braded lines brakes i up graded pads. Motor was nice but lacked the torque I was use to from the previous KTM dukes I've owned. Unless you owned a Duke you might not appreciate just how dynamic they are. They are in a league and class of there own. The wow factor is immense looks performance Etc. @@mojoleon2
@@nicholaskemp2451 Possibly the new 1390 evo😁
I purchased the SDR evo, 1000 miles and it’s great to ride on the b road twisties, in fact this is where it should live. It’s not really good for much else, track stuff would be fun.
The elephant in the room is the reliability, mine has already thrown up numerous electrical faults and has a failed preloaded which after only 1000 miles is shocking. It’s on its last chance as far as I’m concerned, The dealer said they can fix the constant MTC failure fault and if not it will be going back.
After coming from trouble free Yamaha and Honda for the last 5 years my first foray into KTM has not been great. I see KTM are offering 4 yrs warranty now on 2023 bikes which in all honestly you def need if buying one.
Chops I would definitely want one of each but I would need a bigger garage thanks for this comparison !
Love your videos and reviews please let me know How do you get your audio so Crisp?
I love the riding dynamics of KTM, but the well documented reliability niggles are a concern for long term buyers. I prefer riding my motorcycle to getting taxis while my KTM is back at the dealers getting fixed. Again.
Yeah the dealers had my superduke more then I did 😩
I've always said it, 'There is no such thing as too much power'. I agree with you about the keyless issue, what a stupid idea, I've ridden home loads of times with the key in the back seat slot, luckily it hasn't fallen out yet. Yamaha ergos have always been brilliant, Wales and back in a day from London used to be easy on my old R1, unfortunately KTM have turned up and moved the goalposts. My 1290 R is the most fun bike Ive had. Looking forward to a Rocket 3 R though
Chaps apologies.....awesome vid ! Thanks for all your efforts 👌 boys could i ask what comms / intercoms your using pls ??? Cheers chaps ! Keep up the Epic work
Thanks buddy, we use the Cardo Intercom 👍 packtalk bold & edge
I have SD Evo found leaving the suspension in auto on the road . Very quick to change to road surface and speed . Leaving both in auto be a good compromise. As
depending on surface and speed will adjust the damping.
Brakes are good
Wouldn’t say they Instant sharp . Taken it on track once wouldn’t be first choice for a track bike but good fun .
Nice content as always. Only one comment was that provided you were comparing two bikes with semi electronic suspension I was expecting a bit more of practical comparison between the two bikes and systems and this was not the case here. I would say that the WP system has become quite good in particular in the EVO and it completes the super duke quite well, bringing it to a level with Ohlins.
Yeah sorry could have done more on that 👍
Had my 21 MT10 out yesterday...many smiles!!!
What a surprising result, Chopsie! :-) Great review.
I owned a manual suspension version of the SD...nice bike, but I really didn't like the riding position and I found the suspension harsh. Rode a mate's MT10SP and was very impressed. Really comfortable, and, being a Yamaha it will start every time.... A 10SP with Brembos and a full system would be great.
Great review guys. Now I want to try a MT10 haha
Go for it! It's brilliant 👏 😁👍 well both brilliant
I have watched you for a long time.
Just starting to feel you are being careful not to upset the manufacturers.
Still good content but a shame its heading like some of the others I used to watch and stopped.
But I'm still watching so can't be to bad.
Just my personal opinion of course.
Kind of hard to review bikes it you say what the manufacturer doesn’t want to hear, you gotta play the game.
The only unbiased reviews are from people who bought the bikes with their own money. Much more trustworthy, they’ll either sing its praises if it’s good or say how crap it is and how unhappy they are.
Never take the word of an influencer at face value.
Fair play Chopsy, your production values are just getting better and better. I think that you're probably the best out there now.
As a presenting team, you and Greg are great, it just works!
I tried out a 1st gen SD back in the day, it was a revelation to me, being a youngish, new rider at the time. These days I ride a R1200R, the model preceding the 1250, same shape, etc. Obviously, it falls into the 'capable' category, not the 'super-fast' category. So, last week, I tried out the current SD. I went up the road crying in fits of laughter...honestly, it was too much for me. I gave it back to the Saleslady, I said "I love it, but there's no point in a follow-up phone call"🤣
Great work gents, thanks again👍
Thanks buddy really appreciated 😁👍
I'm quite curious how the ZH2 would compare to these bikes. Any plans of taking the newer ones for a spin ?
I've owned both of these bikes in their standard form (without the electronic suspension). 2023 MT10 is my current bike and benefits from probably the most characterful and dynamic engine ever created. Agree with your verdict re the KTM, think it's absolutely the best all around performing naked, but it's so good, you need to be doing silly speeds for it to make sense. Downside is KTM reliability, hence why I have my second MT10.
MT10 suspension is set a fraction hard for the road from the factory, but dialling out is easy and a decent set up can be achieved for road or track. KTM definitely has the most compliant suspension along with the best brakes and lives on UK roads well. I've bough my second MT10 (after stacking up all of the options) because it has that engine and is all day and even touring comfortable (when fitted with comfort seat), handles just about perfectly on the road (and decent if not the best on track), is as fast as anything to 140mph, has typical Japanese reliability and you can have enough spare cash for a year's worth of track days with the money saved against the SDR. Reliability is unfortunately the KTM's sticking point (but they are great when they're working) and from experience, I won't be buying another. Further points relating to the Yamaha comfort seat. First and foremost, it is bloody comfortable but also sits the rider roughly 1.5 inches higher. This improves leg room and also places a tad more weight over the bars, improving front end feel and strangely resulting in a sportier riding position. It's a double whammy and the one MT10 accessory I'd recommend over any other. Cheers.
It was a good read, can you please explain what went wrong with KTM because after spending more than year deciding what bike i am getting, my list was including Ducati SFV4, Ninja ZH2 and MT10 and so far the new 2024 KTM stole my heart, your feedback would really appreciated.
Hi Tim. The KTM is superb when it's all working correctly. I suffered the screen going down, MTC warning lights on a brand new bike where the fault couldn't be diagnosed and which ultimately couldn't be resolved (the dealer swapped the bike). Cables rub and chafe through around the headstock causing further fault codes and finally, the bike would sometimes recognise the fob for the keyless start and other times it wouldn't even when placed against the receiver unit. Conversely, my new Yamaha MT10 has now covered 4k miles since June this year and has been 100%. Put the key in and it starts first time every time, doesn't use oil and has never had a warning light displayed. More fun than the KTM, but possibly because it's not quite as good in a few areas, so you need to be on your game and work a bit harder to get the most out of it. I ride my bikes hard, I'm not a nutter, but they do get properly used and the KTM makes everything so easy. You need to be doing something silly to upset it and the only thing to criticise is the OEM steering damper which appears to have little to no damping at the very initial part of the movement. I think it's mechanically quite solid and most of the issues appear to be electrical. I hear there are some that don't have issues and others become a nightmare, but I can only speak from my personal experience. Hope this helps.
@@Tig-Boy I absolutely appreciate your feedback sir, you helped and made me sure that superduke is what i need, regarding the electrical issues i am gonna pray that the new 1390 is reliable and bulletproof, i just can’t swallow the MT 10 look no matter how good it rides, i hope they change the look in the next upgrade.
Thanks a lot fir your feedback.
Just bought the SDR Evo and it was a choice between this and the MT10 SP. In the end it was the current deals on offer from KTM that swung it. To ride I loved both and both have unique looks. £3000 off and 4.9% APR PCP for KTM verses no real discount and 9.9% APR on Yam. Made the monthly difference significantly in favour of the SDR despite its higher list price
They might be a reason for the discount….thankfully you got it on pcp and can hand it back. They seem to have lots of problems, with at least 2 people having to hand them back due to persisting electrical problems.
@@alrightdave6135 this is my 3rd KTM and previous 2 were fine. Discounting as new 1390 coming next year
Also now comes with 4 year warranty
@@alrightdave6135 I have a 2015 1290 SDR and it has never been in the shop for nothing more than general maintenance.
@@alrightdave6135 and the 4 year warranty
The main issue I found with owning large capacity,high performance bikes is usability.
Unless you do track days,you can’t use even a third of the performance without doing your licence and winding up before the beak or both.
Mid-rangers still have very good performance. Insurance and rego are less expensive.
A Triumph 750 Speed Triple would do me . I think it exists.
I don’t think you can beat the orange,appearance wise.
For me the KTM Super Duke wins hands down in terms of looks and performance. The Yamaha looks like it needs to lose some bulk and weight.
The low down grunt on the 1290's is the winner. Powering out of bends without waiting for it to spool up is what gaps people on other bikes. Do that bend after bend and you ease away. Having the instant power and instant shut downof power/engine braking means you have so much control with just the throttle. 👌
I can’t speak for the MT10 but the Superduke is probably the most usable Hypernaked there is.
All the crazy grunt is delivered instantly.
I got rid of the Tuono 1100factory because it was just too good at getting to triple figures without allowing me to satisfy that urge.
I own a Gen 2 Superduke and it’s the best bike I’ve ridden other than the Gen 3.
@@scottyuk Absolutely! It’s like nothing else out there.
Pull the forks through the yolks 10mm and turn the bar risers 180 degrees (bars 10mm forward from standard) and the MT feels much better! Fit different risers that lower the bars 10mm from standard as well as 10mm forward from standard and it is better again. As for that special something, it's most likely the Crossplane engine, or the sound at least... It's got the Tuono-esque sound but with reliability...
Great tips 👍
Coming from the 2020 Tuono the choice was easy peasy - MT-10.
It's not a Playboy centerfold bike looks wise, but it beats the KTM hands down IMO. I can't get my head around the origami Mantis look of the KTM. Also, judging by friends bikes it's a coin toss whether you get one that passed quality control, in which case they're quite nice, or a one that didn't and you end up spending your riding season with the bike at the dealer's garage getting fixed half of the time.
Also, in Sweden the KTM cost way more to insure which just nails the coffin lid shut.
EDIT: And i just plain *will not* pay a penny to get features already on a bike "unlocked" I find that appaling to be honest.
Cheers for another nice vid guys!
😂 and the KTM now comes with 4 year warranty.
@@Steve-motorcycles That's good, you'll need it! 🙂
@@Larry_Mott 🤪🃏
I have the SDR. No major niggles with it yet. Looks wise I think it looks like a stealth fighter jet, with the angular design. The MT, to me looks like that transformer, Bumblebee.
You two are like Batman and Robin off the bike world 🌎,, brilliant team ,, ☺️ really enjoyed the video,, onward and upward 👆,,☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️ from northern Ireland
Haha thanks Cecil 😁👍
Super video, as always a very nice comparison between these two mighty machines , please could you do a comparison between a multistrada V4S and V4S pikes peak please ?
I have a review coming of the Pikes Peak anyway 👍
Thank you, looking forward to it, I had met you briefly earlier in the year at one of the csbk school days
I changed a lot of bike and the sdr is the best bike to ride around the Alps. I love this bike. Try to believe
Thank you to both of you. :)
Touring on the MT10 is another great factor for it. I have had both and on long tours MT10 everyday. There both brilliant though .
what do you have now?
2.20 in lamb chop says “we both own the supa dook ” Well, I think to myself, this is gonna be a fair and impartial comparison!
Hey mate,
Great video! Love the banter!
Have been contemplating between the mt10sp and s1000r. What would be your pick?
I think a lot of us have recently been torn between these two... I was coming off an S1000RR, so I ended up with the SDR because the twin seemed a nice change from the inline 4. I did shift the handlebars to the rear position on the SDR, it's like a 20mm difference but it feels a lot better. Otherwise I think both bikes are brilliant!
I will say, of all the bikes I've owned, the SDR has gotten the most comments from bystanders. Maybe it's a US thing because KTM street bikes in general here are more rare, but it does feel like a bit of exotica.
I made a similar move to you. RR - SDR and have no regrets. SDR is such a good bike so hopefully the reliability is good also.
I’m a 2020 SDR owner. Only two problems I had (one was my doing) was the gear shifter lever came loose of the shift shaft spline. I put the strongest loktie on it and re-torqued it down… no problems since. Other issue was after I washed the bike, I must have gotten water in the left handlebar button module and the enter button stopped working. $600 for a new one. Lesson… don’t spray water at the handlebar.
Enjoy the SDR!
@@kmfizI also had the switch gear issue common fault apparently.
I also come from an S1000rr 😂
@@knaussgy Were you able to fix it?
The fact that it's a big V-Twin with more performance would swing me to the Super Duke every time. Although I'm still on the 2018.
I'm still in love with my 14. I reckon Japan started losing its way about 2010ish.
I understand the weight of this decision on Chop's face! I think it means that if you're serious about performance nakeds then you definitely need to own both of these amazing bikes at some stage - Both somehow quite different but at the same time both also undeniably brilliant great fun big power rides - But be warned that they do complicate a motorcyclists life - Because they're both so good that if/when you ever sell thse bikes, you will probably always have that little voice in the back of your head that (rightly) tells you that buying another one would be a great idea!
Chopsie love the vids as always, can I ask when are you bringing the Hypermotard rebuild back? :)
Plan is to assemble the engine in the next two / three weeks. That of course will be a video. Then the whole reassemble can get moving 👍
Thank you good sir @@LambChopRides
Good Video 😀👍🏻
I have owned a lot of bikes, almost embarrassingly so. I recently owned a 2019 MT10 and it was an excellent machine but after living with it for a while I started to notice the budget items that began to annoy me. The dodgy cable clutch, ok quality switch gear etc. All acceptable but could have been better. Hopefully this SP model addresses some of that. I ended up buying a 2022 SD Evo, once I addressed ergos, moved the bars back etc. it fit perfectly. I never judge a bike until it has broken in and my body gets used to it and after living with the KTM not only do I think it is a better machine than the MT10 (Non SP) It could be the best motorcycle I have ever owned. I am sure the SP is a great machine but man, no way is it even close to how refined and almost perfect that the KTM is. It's always a matter of opinion but the over ruling factor for me on any machine is simply smile factor and the SD is in a league of its own for that. I am a huge Ducati fan and have 3 but I think the SD trumps them all. I cannot recommend the SD Evo enough!
I want to like your channel, you come across as very engaging and your passion for bikes is obvious and infectious. It’s just the whole video appears to have been filmed on roads where the speed limit is no more than 60 yet you appear to pay scant regard to this. This seems to be a bit of a recurring theme in your road tests yet motorcycling is so much more than speed and you miss so much riding that way.
Mr. Chopsie, please make a review between zh2 vs mt10sp naked battle please 🙏🏼
Agree with you lamb , mt10 sp got that somting that is hard to explain 👍 . Good job .
Thanks 👍
Great review guys 👍 cant believe you chose the MT 10 Chops!! 🤦♂️... nice one Greg defo my choice and dont forget 3k off the SDR at the moment to. Both great bikes but i just love the crazy SDR 👍👍
I know I'm still shocked too! Maybe the 1390 will change my mind! 😄👍
@@LambChopRidesoh there's suprise, just buy one and put your money where your mouth is...😅
@@LambChopRides Your getting older
I am 62 Years I made myself sell my
KawasakiZxr14r this one had 208 Hp
Back , with OHLIN'S all round , I gave
Myself a big scare 6 months ago , I
Went within two inches of running out
Of road around corner at Double the
Speed limit on that corner , I pulled
Over , at 62 you must of lost bit , by now , experience helps , but now my
Experience said time to slow Down
Sold it , have a Adventure tiger 1200
Now , go of road now , and I still can
Get on it , but you have more time ,
So Lampchop , I understand why you
Chosen the Mt 10 , and the extra 60 Hp I don't have I do miss, I admit
Ps It is the right move, it a sad week
A Friend was Raceing at Wanneroo
Race way Western Australia , on a R1
On Slicks , a great bloke he came of
And we lost him , I can see Chris now
In my Head, so sad ,
Flip a coin? . Both bikes are amazing , but for me the the KTM just edged out the MT . This is just based on what I like in styling and looks and performance. Great video enjoyed the on road banter with you and Greg , makes for a good balance. Look forward to the next instalment of Chops & Greg .
Thanks Alan 👍
Would love to see the SDR Evo vs ‘23 Streetfighter V4S road bike comparison
Guys does the yam pull to the right if you leave go of handle bars ??? lots says it does
My current bike is 2022 MT09sp and I love it, the only thing I want is a little bit more power so I can hang out with the big bikes, now I do love both bikes but from your video I think my next bike would be the MT10sp
The only thing I don't like is the front end, does it look better in person?
I look forward to the Mandello/R1250RS comparison.
Love the video although i'd be cackingit riding those bikes in just a hoodie. Here in France mind you your average mt09/10 rider is in shorts popping wheelies 😀
He does have body armor under the hoodie 👍
@@LambChopRides thanks it wasn't obvious until the later shots. 👍
Hi Chopsy. . Was wondering. .you've done reviews of various super nakeds now. I'd be fascinated if you were to review an expensive super naked like an MT10 / superduke with a v good but cheaper naked like the triumph street triple 765RS etc. Is the triumph better value for money and effectively just as good on the road etc . . Thoughts? Cheers
This would be a great comparison - how about it @lambchoprides? There must be quite a few of us trying to decide whether or not we need supernaked power on the road or if it's a more engaging experience to extract the full performance more of the time from a good middleweight naked?
If I was lucky enough to be given one of these fantastic machines and had a choice, I would have the Yamaha but I would have to change the front headlight’s, it reminds me of Jeff Goldblum when he transformed into “The Fly.” It’s just ugly imo. Great channel Chopsy! ❤️🤘
That EVO is my absolute dream bike 😍
Two lovely machines. 👍
I’m biased as I own the SDR. Perfect fit for me as a road bike, just so much fun. Best thing you can do is change the gearing 😎🍻
Woo got here 8 mins after upload
. Noot noot
I wish the superduke came with a faring, similar to the gsx s1000f, i want that power and i want the position, but i also want the wind protection!
Angry Ant lol lol luv both of them.😊😊😊😊👍🏻
Currently own an SDR, and after replacing the radiator, clutch cover gasket, oil temp sensor, tail light and disc rotors… I’m done… great fun bike, but the ownership experience is not what I’d expected.
Yamaha MT10SP on order and arriving Monday.
Fellow riders, anybody here with some experience with windscreens for MT-10 RN45? Which one do you recommend for average height rider (180cm)? I've bought MRA racing, it is killing me, waaaay toooo much wind noise.
I've noticed on the Bridgestone S22 tires, I run out of tire faster than on other tires of the same size. Like the Rosso 3 or even Q3s.
Correct, S22 is shit 💩
These spectacularly powerful bikes are just perfect for all those hundred mile an hour corners you've always wanted to try.
I've owned a 2018 MT10 and now a 2022 MT10 SP. I have demo'd the Evo, it was a really nice bike, but I didn't like how the KTM felt at higher speed.
That MT-10 SP looked glorious.
There's nothing wrong with the look of KTMs... if Fisher-Price is your thing!
It looked bulbous up front and flat in the rear. The KTM looks like an angry ant.
@@liamvickerman4745 I see that, too. The KTM appears as though they tasked somebody there on work experience to copy the shape of the Triumph Speed Triple.
@@sambagogo777 Funny that, I thought the yamaha looked like a decade old transformer toy, didn't fischer price make those too?
@@EMFRocks Nope, that was Hasbro and Takara.
The MT10 looks very dated and somewhat mt07ish to me compared to the aggressive nature that belies the KTM @@sambagogo777
Re: acceleration “ roll ons “ I guess Mr. Chops is still around 20st.. and Giorgio maybe 13 st ? So not really a fair roll on test. Shows how bloody good the KTM is ! …Entertaining as always though ! Thank you both.
I've owned gen 2 SD and a 2019 MT10, both were awesome and different, but I felt the MT10 was more playful and fun, even though it's less powerful than the KTM.
Wow.....hard choice.....decisions decisions? Do I go for the looks of KTM versus the reliability of the Yamaha ? Basically that is what it boils down to........soooooo
Aprillia it is then ! 😂😂😂
Great review again Chops 😊👍
Tuono factory vs SDR evo. Come on chopsie give us what we want
Yamaha all day long. I could not handle the continued KTM issues.