Thanks Rob, I totally agree, however we have to get PR first the EU won't be interested in us rejoining unless they are certain the tories and the reform parties aren't likely to ever hold total power for the foreseeable future
The biggest problem with PR is "What do we mean by PR?" The are so many alternatives to FPTP 9the worst option), all have their own problems but my choice would be STV.
@@gerry20pthe Tories, Cameron and Osborne made a fool over the LibDems and proposed a form of PR which they knew would not be acceptable to the electorate. Next the offered a so-called referendum. Then they offered us brexit. Then the offered Johnson's hard brexit. Vote Tory!
@@jonathanwetherell3609 There is a problem that STV proponents are mainly enamoured by the ranked ballots/preferential voting in STV. Most modern PR systems measure party support directly which is simpler and faster.
Einstein one said: "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity." Einstein died in 1955 but Brexit etc has shown that not much has changed since then.
It is not in the EU's interest to waste time discussing deals with the UK when a future Tory or Reform government would renege on any and all agreements. Only a change to the UK voting system, denying a minority right-wing government the chance of undoing all accords, will allow major advances to take place. However, the reply by Starmer at a recent PMQs refusing any change to the voting system will do nothing but hinder future negotiations.
@@FrozenSkyyI think you may be right, this election was the first time I’ve ever thought PR might not be helpful (and also just where on earth have peoples souls gone for Reform to do so well?)
@@FrozenSkyy Good points. I live in France and at the last GE the RN (formerly National Front) won the largest number of seats in a highly divided assembly. However, no party wants to form a coalition with them. This is the reason France is presently in political turmoil. No matter how people vote, nobody wants extremists in power.
@@FrozenSkyy _Also, looking at what's happening at Germany and France_ I'm looking, but neither France nor Germany has had five different PM's in the last 5 years. Don't pretend that the UK is more stable as a democracy. Don't even pretend the UK is anything but a flawed democracy, with a king as head of state, FPTP and an unelected HOL.
I live by the maxim of treating everyone as stupid, unless they prove me wrong. There's no legislation for stupid as Brexit and 2x tRUMP presidency proves.
@@thegreycat2260 Yeah, they are now saying that re-joining the EU would be a bad idea cos Germany and France are struggling, but they wouldn't reverse that notion if they were doing well. They wouldn't point at France and Germany if there economies were growing and say: 'see, we should be inside the EU now cos those economies are thriving.' Also France and Germany aren't the entire EU! Some countries are doing pretty well, whilst others have been mismanaged.
It is actually worse than that! The only reason you go to London these days for financing is because the deal it too risky to do anywhere else. So the time the balloon goes up, the UK taxpayer will find themselves facing a nasty bill.
I disagree. But some real changes must take place, one if them the guarantee that this will not happen again in such an undemocratic way (no. I don’t mean the advisory poll sold as ‘ referendum’).
@@klausschumacher7126 I don't think her post was rude - I think she is the evidence of hard-nose thinking by many Europeans who don't want the instability of crazed EU haters from Britain telling lies about the EU, interfering in EU projects and generally making demands we have no right to make.
When did anyone have a say in the EU? No policy, regulation or rule was ever put to any vote in any general election and therefore lacked any legitimacy. An organization built on feet of clay.
@neiltitmus9744 farage was a nuisance but not a problem. There was many other English members of the EU parliament that was not constantly drunk and not there. They were the problem.
Britain when in the EU punched well above our weight. Now as a “stand alone” nation we can see ourselves for what we really are . A small country with few natural resources, an under educated under trained work force. Most of our assets ( infrastructure) have been sold to other countries. It’s painful but we have to accept reality , we are poor and things are going to get much worse and thanks to Brexit non of us have the choice to move to or work in Europe. Maybe we can learn to ration our food , repair clothes , shoes and tools, grow vegetables in our gardens like our grand parents did during and after WW11.
All the damage you speak about was a direct result of being IN the EU not out of it. The nation didn't have any of these problems before the political union.
@@haybrain We should start making Spitifires again, being back National Service. But at McDonald's, Ration Books & Wave peace in our times paper rolls!
The BBC during brexit always showed Barnier speaking French even though he had already answered in English the exact same question earlier in the same press conference
@ there is a protocol producer the French Politicos if marking a public speech have to speak French for the record then if necessary to speak - if they can - in the local tongue. The BBC practice outlined is to show that he is ‘different’ and not english. I just wonder how many of our ‘European hating’ politicos can actually speak a second language. I suspect that the Dutch would actually correct their poor english
As a Belgian who has worked in Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany, France and England, I have only been a victim of xenophobia in London. Great Britain is rejoining the European Union, very well. Its economy is doing better, very well. And at the next big xenophobia crisis, you leave again?
Sadly there are xenophobes in every country, it's how the country deals with them. I worked in Greece, Germany and France and saw and experienced xenophobia in all of those countries. The simple fact is that I found in all three countries the xenophobes were the ill educated looking to blame someone else for their misfortune. I found the majority of people were good and kind and I'm very grateful for the kindness of many strangers. Most unfriendly country, France, but I still love the country.
Accepting freedom of movement, schengen , the euro, are only the easy part of the deal. The real difficulty would be that as soon as the UK left, the EU took steps against money laundering and tax evasion , since the UK was not there to oppose it anymore. There's no way the UK would ever accept to give up it's money laundering and tax evasion practices.😊
Rejoining would give the the millionaires who don't like EU's tax rules time to sort out their affairs and leave. I for one wouldn't mind seeing those individuals go. I'm sick of being told what to do by multi-millionaires.
"Save the jobs in money laundering!!!" was never going to work back in 2016. So, anti EU, anti immigrant, pro sovereignty etc was used to grab the emotive vote. It worked. If I could name one industry, just one, that has prospered since Brexit, it would have to be money laundering in London. Initially, I thought, well, tourism would benefit from the 20% drop in the pound. Well, not really. So, it's back to money laundering. This is a blind spot in the otherwise hyper competitive media world.
I have heard that the UK wants to do a deal with the EU to try to improve the future for the UK. Usually when negotiating both parties have something the other wants. The negotiation, is the coming to an agreeable compromise in exchange together. As the entire planet sees this situation, the European Union has a market of 450 million healthy, wealthy, educated, ordered, motivated, well protected customers, that occupy a continent with excelent infrastructure, tourist attractions, social welfare arrangements, universal healthcare, natural resources, an intercooperational living, working regime, and advantageouse trading arrangements with all other important countries and groups worldwide to offer. On the other hand, the United Kingdom has a magic bean. So, obviously the European Union will have to buckle under pressure from Lord Frost or that other quarterwit with white hair and no pencil or notepad. What could go wrong?
@channelsixtyseven067 The EU is in serious trouble with unemployment rising industries closing VW probably finished and the Muslim invasion is well underway Europe is a lost cause. The Americans have got what they want Europe moving to be a third world continent Russia and China laughing all the way to the bank . Europe hasn't got the troops or weapons to defend itself with what they have given to Ukraine which is a lost cause and the amount of money Europe has poured into it a very corrupt country will bankrupt it I'm afraid Europe is well on it's way to self destruction and will start to fracture in the near future Brexit Britain did the bidding of it's Russian paymaster with the help of Farage Johnson Mogg etc.
I guess it is time to welcome the UK back into the EU. It is partly because we have to help them because of WW2 when they came to our aid. And the fact that a bunch full of liars, cons and frauds lurey many into thinking life is better outside the EU doesn’t mean we shall turn our backs. I am 60 hus born 25 years after the war yet I know history and I have visted the graves of many ( young) WW2 soldiers near the battlegrounds. And I can assure you that Many of them turned in their graves when they learned about Brexit.
Look. I'm just one EU citizen, but I would welcome UK back in a second, the whole brexit thing was idiotic. But I'm afraid UK is still in the findeth out phase.
@@ai-d2121 _It is partly because we have to help them because of WW2 when they came to our aid_ Russia also came to our aid in WW2, even more so than the UK. Should we help them now as well? Your argument makes no sense.
As a resident of the EU I wanted to thank the British for Brexit because I want to show other countries in the EU how stupid ideas about leaving the EU end. In France, Italy and a few other countries those who wanted to take their countries out of the EU somehow fell silent! The UK has to hit rock bottom like an alcoholic to admit its mistake and ask to rejoin the EU. Personally I will be happy for the UK to return to the EU despite the problems and troubles because together we are stronger and it will be possible to learn English in its homeland again.
Rejoining the EU don’t make me laugh. The EU will not be in any hurry to take back the arrogant British. You’ve made your bed and now you’ll have to sleep in it. A nation that put tariffs on themselves. Maybe in 3 or 4 decades you may be welcome back though you’ll have to make major concessions
Unfortunately it is this 'tarring everyone one with the same brush' mentality that enabled elite liars to convince a slim majority of the British public that everyone in Europe was bad and UK good so vote for Brexit. Your categorisation of 'the British' as being arrogant is exactly the same mentality.
I am not a Brit but an Italian. The UK was represented by a gang of clown in the EU, opposing basically everything. When Brexit happend the EU was able to grow and to move forward fast. Now, with the crazy times ahead of us, we need a strong front in every possibile way. I want to UK to rejoin but with decent politicians who contribute to the grow of the EU, who contribute to our wel being. Not only economically but also military. It’s very likely that the US will try to leave NATO. It’s strategically not possible, but if Trump launched Project 2025, which he is doing it will be possible because the president will have more power to decide. We shouldn’t fear for a war, but it’s time that Europe isn’t depended on the US anymore. One of the ideas of the EU is invest in Green Robotica industry and that way we can take our factories out China, we don’t need cheap labor as everything will be done by robots. This is the future.
No party has ever put country before party. “Make Brexit work” is an idea still-born. It’s not that the wheels have fallen off, it never had any wheels.
There is also another reason. Between 3 and 4 million brexit voters(as a conservative estimate)are no longer among the living and they have been replaced by a cadre of younger pro EU voters who were not able to vote in 2016
The EU is not a department store where you can come and go as you please. Or yearly decide to be a member or not. Out means out for the minimum of the generation who has decided the out.
@Michael_from_EU_Germany I am well aware of this fact. In fact I think it likely that the EU will never allow a UK containing England or an independent England to join largely as a result of the widely held(among both those who are pro and anti EU)ideas of English exceptionalism and English superiority and the fact that England is not a good fit for the EU. I merely pointed out that there is a reason why there is now a significant rise in pro EU feeling in the UK
I am not a Brit but an Italian. My generation is very pro EU, for several reasons. The UK was represented by a gang of clown in the EU, opposing basically everything. When Brexit happend the EU was able to grow and to move forward fast. Now, with the crazy times ahead of us, we need a strong front in every possibile way. I want to UK to rejoin but with decent politicians who contribute to the grow of the EU, who contribute to our wel being. Not only economically but also military. It’s very likely that the US will try to leave NATO. It’s strategically not possible, but if Trump launched Project 2025, which he is doing it will be possible because the president will have more power to decide. We shouldn’t fear for a war, but it’s time that Europe isn’t depended on the US anymore. One of the ideas of the EU is invest in Green Robotica industry and that way we can take our factories out China, we don’t need cheap labor as everything will be done by robots. This is the future.
Alas the little Englander is way too ignorant of their country's past, its present or future. They live in local bubbles of halcyon ignorance which they are unfortunately allowed to leave to vote.
I don't think it matters one jot what the general public think or feel about Brexit or its outcomes. In the Anglo-Sphere we are heading full steam into oligarchy / plutocracy. The feudal lords didn't want their businesses open to regulation, fiscality and transparency. They couldn't give a fig for a nation's freedom of movement, economic strength and growth, because they don't BELONG to any nation state. They only belong to their CLASS. They only see each other, they only meet each other. Borders have no meaning. They are venal and self-serving because they have come to believe that privilege is a right. See how they react when the Brexit that brought them fiscal and regulatory opacity also ended the free lunch of subsidies to grow rape-seed instead of the food the country needs, and then the gov't rules to bring their farmland investments into line with everyone else. They get on their high horses in indignation and they scream blue murder. They lean on their fellow "class" mates in the media to amplify their efforts. If a rapprochement with the EU involves fiscal and regulatory alignment, particularly with respect to the City and its offshore "children", then it will be resisted relentlessly. Mark my words.
I understand why Starmer took the stance he did on brexit before the election but now with the massive majority Labour has there is no reason to be cautious any longer, it just makes them look out of touch and running scared of the crooks and liars who instigated the catastrophe. He needs to grow some political b4lls
That "massive majority" doesn't exist in reality, it is just a consequences of a flawed, undemocratic system. There isn't much difference in the popular vote pré and post election, the country is still 50-50. And with eu membership decides away, Starmer has zero to gain for the next election, which is all that matters in british politics.
This happened because these people who thought English superiority was all that mattered and now those that still think they were still trying to be right the rest of us could see the wrongs of this
In my opinion, the EU should only offer talks about membership again if both Tories AND Labor have expressed their wish for membership for 2-3 years. Any other discussion with the British is a waste of time.
That is how Brussels see it and will continue to encourage Britain towards joining but until the major political parties are fully behind joining very little will change.
We had a confirmatory referendum( yes a proper referendum in 1975) and yet our dodgy Westminster system allowed that to be overturned. I wonder if there was a failing within the EU that permitted the 1975 referendum to be overruled?
At 7'10 " the EU would likely demand concessions". I'm not comfortable with the wording, it's not really concessions, it's part of the dealer which the 27 members have accepted. They were just ask the UK to accept the terms of the contract it signs. It's just normal.
Individual countries could do it. Spain could bring up the Gibraltar problem and Cyprus the Akrotiri and Dekhelia. It happened to Croatia when it was joining EU in 2013. Slovenia, then already a member, and Croatia had long standing border issues especially about the Piran Bay area and the accession process was held up for a year until both parties agreed to let UN resolve it. With both Gibraltar and Akrotiri and Dekhelia being on the UN list of territories to be decolonized it could very well mean UK would finally have to give in and return them.
That's true and worth pointing out. The starting point for negotiations would be a standard deal. Not getting the extra special privileges back - privileges that one willingly gave up - is not conceding.
The EU won't want us back. Since the divorce - we've taken to loafing about in our static caravan wearing the same pants for months on end. We're expecting too much of pity. Also, that baggage Farage is still dropping by for booty calls, every now and then, and we haven't even changed the locks yet.
The main issue for the EU is that they need confidence that membership would be permanent. We need the Tories to support membership again as they did for decades.
@@DisleyDavid Right, and why should we waste our time? And if you join in (again): no cherry-picking. Standard procedures and conditions. Otherwise the small member states in particular will say NO!
Here is the thing: If Britain ever tries to rejoin the EU, it will be all in. They got all the special privileges and exceptions they wanted the first time around and were still not satisfied. For round two, thats not gonna happen. Full membership, adoption of the Euro, all the stuff. Otherwies whose to say when they will back out again.
Rejoining is not a thing. Why on earth would EU take UK back after all this crap? It is obvious to all that EU is better off without UK, they dragged us down and held us back
@@dooley-ch Please bear with a compatriot from the big Canton- don't get caught i the Brexiteer trap. The UK had a negative trade balance in goods traded, that is true. But they made up for this in services;-) Which, by chance, are not in the TCA because such trade agreements normally only cover goods, and not services. And they can never be in any agreement as they would have to have an arbiter, which only could be in the EU courts. And that would mean a level playing field would be demanded, And thus the EU transparency directive comes into play, which could be enforced by the EUs highest court... Brexit was only to avoid just that. So the Real Rulers of the UK can never allow that.
In the years since Brexit, it’s become clear that the promises made haven't matched reality. Trade challenges, worker shortages, and rising immigration from non-EU countries have left us questioning the path we’ve taken. Public sentiment has shifted, with many now seeing the value of European freedom of movement and collaboration. It’s time to explore ways to rebuild our relationship with the EU-not as a step back, but as a step forward towards prosperity, cooperation, and shared values. Let’s work together to end our self-imposed isolation and forge a stronger future!
The EU has completely moved on from Brexit, it's a non issue now, it's the UK that's still reeling from it and struggling to adapt to being outside of the club.
Brexit means Brexit. Here is what would need to happen for the UK to join the EU. Good luck with that: For the UK to rejoin the European Union (EU), several political, legal, and procedural steps would need to be taken. Here's an outline of what would need to happen: 1. Domestic Political Consensus Public Opinion Shift: A significant portion of the UK population would need to support EU membership. This could manifest through opinion polls, elections, or referendums. Government Support: The UK government would need to prioritize rejoining the EU, likely led by a political party or coalition with a strong pro-EU stance. Parliamentary Approval: The decision to apply for EU membership would require parliamentary debate and approval. 2. Application to Rejoin the EU The UK would formally notify the EU of its intention to apply for membership. This would be done under Article 49 of the Treaty on European Union, which outlines the procedure for new member states. 3. Satisfying Membership Criteria The UK would need to meet the Copenhagen Criteria, which include: Stable Institutions: Ensuring democracy, the rule of law, human rights, and respect for minorities. Functioning Market Economy: Demonstrating the capacity to cope with market competition within the EU. Adoption of EU Acquis: Agreeing to the body of EU law and regulations, including policies the UK previously opted out of (e.g., the Schengen Area or Eurozone). 4. Negotiations with the EU Reintegration Terms: Negotiations would cover issues such as the UK's contributions to the EU budget, trade agreements, and participation in EU policies. Potential Opt-Outs: The UK might seek opt-outs or special arrangements, though it would likely have less leverage than during its original membership. Addressing Brexit Legacy: Issues like Northern Ireland, fishing rights, and other Brexit-era agreements would need reevaluation. 5. Approval by EU Institutions and Member States European Commission: Evaluates the application and ensures the UK meets the criteria. European Parliament: Votes on the application. Council of the EU: Requires unanimous approval from all existing member states. 6. Domestic Referendum or Legislation A referendum or legislative process may be required in the UK to finalize the decision to join, depending on political circumstances and public opinion. 7. Transition and Membership Accession Treaty: The UK would sign an accession treaty, detailing the terms of membership. Implementation Period: The UK would integrate EU laws and regulations. Full Membership: Once ratified by all EU member states and the UK, the country would become a full member. Challenges Public Opinion: Convincing a divided population could be difficult. EU's Willingness: Some EU countries may be hesitant to re-admit the UK due to its previous exit and demands for special treatment. Economic Adjustments: Rejoining might require significant economic and regulatory adjustments. Northern Ireland: Ensuring compatibility with the Good Friday Agreement and managing cross-border issues would be crucial. Rejoining the EU would require extensive political will, societal support, and time to navigate the complex process.
I wasn’t a fan of letting the EU back in but pragmatism does dictate a nimble mind. A UK committed to being a permanent and solid member of the EU would be a valuable addition as we move from away from 80 years of Pax Americana to Comminatio Russiana (Russian Menace). So…if UK is serious, let’s make in happen in an attitude of common logic term interest.
The Brexiteers claimed they did not want Europeans sorry we are European ! Anglo Saxons Normans and other throughout history where would we be without the Roman influence ie roads still being used today. I was angered when Brexit come about caused be deliberate lies. My British Passport has been seriously devalued in more ways than one.
"Trading freedom of movement for access to the Single Market", while a phrase repeated very much in UK media and discourse in the last few days, especially in the aftermath of a recent ECFR poll, is politically, economically and legally illiterate. You are a third country. You already have access to the Single Market on that basis, albeit one the terms of which are now dictated by international law as it relates to third countries. What you and others are doing in videos such as this one which primarily address a UK audience, is purposefully equating "access to" with "participation in". This is disingenuous - intentionally exploiting your own audience's (unfortunately well demonstrated) ignorance of or disdain for international law to pretend that an option exists where not only does it not, but it cannot. "Freedom of movement", likewise, cannot mean what you once assumed it to mean now that you are a third country (though what you typically assumed it to mean was never quite what it was either anyway). With your present status under international law, as with all other third countries, the EU may entertain reciprocal visa schemes with you (the "C" part of "TCA") whereby specific cohorts of people may move with relatively greater ease through your mutual border. However the EU will not, and indeed cannot, allow the freedom of movement you enjoyed as a member to be granted to what is now a non-member and a competitor on its own doorstep. In the second half of your video you reverted to language that at least approximates reality and mentioned "rejoining the EU" as an option, in the context of hoping that more of your politicians adopt such a goal going forward. This at least is an option that exists in the real world - one does not have to dismiss or misrepresent international law to pursue this course. Indeed it is a course well defined by existing treaties, conventions and EU law. Fulfilling one's obligations however as defined within that course (the Copenhagen Criteria chief among them) is, of course, the actual challenge that lies ahead, even if as a country you manage to generate the social and political will to pursue it in the future - obligations that stretch far beyond merely "adopting the Euro" or "joining Schengen" and which address fundamental political, constitutional and societal reforms within your polity that are needed before you can even make an application to join the EU. However the complete absence of any realisation of what this actually would entail in any discourse to date emanating from within the UK, including from yourself in your own videos, suggests a level of exceptionalism (from reality itself it seems) that is just as evident among "rejoiners" now as it ever was among "Brexiters" in the past. And as long as this persists then the EU, for its own protection, will forever want to keep you exactly where you have stupidly placed yourselves - having proved yourselves to be a dangerously inept and catastrophically ignorant third country with whom all access, negotiations and communication will be conducted strictly according to the EU's own terms and only in areas whereby the EU can guarantee its own members that your erratic, ignorant and dangerously exceptionalist behaviour cannot threaten their security or potential ever again.
_a level of exceptionalism (from reality itself it seems) that is just as evident among "rejoiners" now as it ever was among "Brexiters" in the past_ Yes, this is the issue in a nutshell. "But we're an important country, 7th global economy, big army, the EU needs us as well!" is so often the 'Remain' argument. But the UK and EU aren't equals, it's one single nation vs. a 27 nation bloc and the UK isn't needed as a member in order for the EU to exist. So the UK needing the EU is not relevant to the EU. But Britons keep missing that point.
Excellent analysis. I totally concur with all your points. As the Last Male of a line that held a seat in the House of Lords for 400 years I am well-acquainted with the truth of Britain's perfidious history, its betrayals of Allies and its victims. The biggest export the UK has ever had is its arrogance. Its pre-WW2 status as an Empire was built on its treachery and brutality. It no longer has ANY valid voice in World Affairs, it could not defend itself against any of the numerous enemies now sniffing at its heels. It DID have clout as an EU Member State, as much as all the others but it threw that away. It has nothing to bring to the table, I seriously doubt the Union will still exist for much longer.
dear EU, don't let britain return until it's implemented far reaching political reform ie; proportional representation... at the moment the only thing the labour government has got going for itself is 'they're not the torys', labour really needs to stop running scared and 'grow a pair'...
Only one problem: you can't rejoin. You can apply to join, when you've fulfilled the criteria, and if you ask nicely, the EU member states will consider your application.
I have the greatest sympathy for the British who voted in 2016 to remain in the European Union and for all those who have since seen the difficulties in their lives worsen. It is tragic that a country and a people for which I have the greatest sympathy have been condemned since 1945 to be governed by mediocre and criminal politicians. Unfortunately, the reality is this: the European Union does not want the United Kingdom to return. The United Kingdom has always been seen by other members of the European Union as a country that only causes difficulties and harms cohesion. The special status that the United Kingdom claimed is proof of this. Read the deal that Cameron negotiated (and the European Union accepted) that would have been put into practice if he had won EU membership in the 2016 referendum. The painful reality is this: the United Kingdom will never return to the European Union. May God protect the British in the governance of their incompetent politicians!
Farmings been decimated..but farmers overwhelmingly voted for brexit. Now times are tough and the richest are being asked to contribute by taxation, like the rest of us, they’re moaning.
I recall watching in disbelief eight years ago the news that UK had voted for Brexit by a narrow margin. What idiocy had taken root? What incredible delusions of Imperial grandeur had gripped British minds to think they would be better in the global community off on their own in 2016? You were lied to and you fell for it.
The UK needs the EU more than the EU needs the UK. So the UK starts by setting pre conditions like keeping the Sterling and whatnot. Come on. Better out for everyone, especially the EU
UK setting pre conditions is an immediate No (No Cherry picking) Euro is mandatory before joining, as is Schengen, no such thing as rejoining only joining as a new member Copenhagen Criteria in Full (which the UK voted for when a member for new applicants ) This is better for everybody
@saba1030 Just read it, not much in it really. Just the setting up of bodies like Military Steering Committee which will do the bulk the work. Still, it's a step.
@@nickbarton3191 Well, Rheinmetall BAE Systems (55 % Rheinmetall) will modernise the Challenger.. Rheinmetall will build another production plant in the UK.. The German air forces will operate its P-8 Poseidons from RAF Lossiemouth to protect the North Atlantic.. The UK-German Trinity House Agreement will be the pillars to protect the European Continent.. There exists already a simular agreement with France..
@@nickbarton3191 I don't want to be cynical, but it seems to me the UK is harping about those things to get in for the fat tenders that military orders will bring in... again in for the money only.
@RealMash Maybe I worked in the defense industry for two decades, at that time indeed it was a money making scheme. But the threat to the western Atlantic approaches remain. I've read NATO reports, if we can believe them, the threat is greater than ever. UK technology at sea remains at the top, don't despise what we have, I still have ex colleagues in this domain
8 years after Brexshit this show gives and gives and gives .... we all in the EU are having our popcorn and watch this ' Little Britain ' episode... .. new selfinflicting every day ... well done UK !!
Read some of the new comments. They make brainless zombies look smart. Everyone knows that the UK’s economy is collapsing like a cardhouse. That they now have such a huge debt, largely surpassing their economy. That Scotland and Northern Ireland want their inpendence and rejoin the EU. If they don’t rejoin any time soon, the UK will collapse and be over and out.
Our politicians just don't have the necessary skills, foresight, or determination to pursue the policy of rejoining the EU. Despite the overwhelming evidence that Brexit has failed miserably, the economy is in decline ; the UK has lost its world power status, which membership of the EU had enhanced, the present government seems to be either afraid, or unsure what to do about it. We need to re-engage with Europe and drop the idea of a Trade Agreement with the USA - that wouldn't be to our advantage. Europe is the way !
EU doesn't care about a clear "commitment" from labour. Tories will tear it all up in four years. Anyhow, the reason for joining is wrong in EU's eyes. It's only economics for the brits. No commitment to Europe. You will try to fuck over Europe at the first opportunity. Anyhow it is moot. Uk can not join EU in sixty years. That is impossible. Have anyone of you even read the Copenhagen criterias?
I did. And then had to read some of the referenced documents. Bit time consuming, but doable in full if it is precondition for your job. Sadly, most Brexiteers seem...ill equipped in the upper floor department...so they can't. Or woun't, because it is written by forriners.... And the EU even provides english versions of all documents which they do for all official languages...come to think of it, could have made it easier for me to read it in German ;-)
You're not paying tax "for other people" you're paying tax for services. Who paid for your generation while you were sitting on your a**e at school and university.
@@Sjb-on5xtYou haven't even implemented quite a lot of it yet. That's what the review , not "renegotiation", is about. To make sure you implemented it fully before we even talk to you.
I have 6 grandchildren, aged from 16 up to 26, they all want to be part of Europe. they have only known me, and their late Granddad, as living in France, they had plans to live and work here.. taken away by Brexit..
I think it is all too late for the UK now. Sometimes a country only gets one chance to secure long term prosperity. The UK blew it so badly with Brexit. By the time the UK prepares itself to apply to rejoin the EU, many many things in the world will have changed, mostly for the worse. The biggest of these is likely to be a global refugee crisis of unprecedented proportions. I foresee that preventing the UK from ever rejoining. Nevertheless, the UK should still align with the EU and improve relations with the EU to facilitate trade, as a third country.
The improvements that are possible as a third country in addition to the TCA only amount to a few billion pounds in trade volume. 140 billion pounds brexit loss every year (rising trend in the following years) contrasts with a possible 3 to 5 billion plus through further agreements between EU and UK. That doesn't help the UK.
@@Michael_from_EU_Germany I'm just thinking of reducing border delays with more automation, more staff perhaps, and faster procedures. As for how much that might benefit trade, who knows, but every little helps. For sure, the massive damage of Brexit cannot be undone or reversed. And at this point I don't think the UK will ever rejoin the EU.
Rejoining won't be a choice left to the UK Alone but it will be a very long process which is not up to date in the curent british political situation Britain will have to give up its critics on the purpose of the EU and also real proves of its willingness of a stable alliance such as giving up the pound and join the Euro zone at least
What's in it for the EU, to allow freedom of movement for UK citizens? You lot voted to leave, now you've changed your mind and want back in .... the real world doesn't work like that.
@@darv65 The "UK", "Britain", "British" and "England" are names used by the rest of the world to mean England. I was born in that rump state, Brexit-voting little shit hole called Wales.
No, we haven't changed our minds, especially after seeing so many right wing governments being elected and the far right waiting in the wings in France and Germany. Either you want to join a right wing cabal, or remain out.
@@darv65 I understand not everyone in the UK shares the same opinion, but that is something you'll have to deal with over there yourself, from an outside perspective the UK has one voice, not 68million
You wanted Brexit, you can have Brexit and everything that goes with it. Best of luck restructuring the economy to take account of poor market access and labour shortages on farms, packing sheds and hospitals. Miserable times ahead for many in the foreseeable future.
One thing that brexit showed was how weak the Westminster system is. It allowed extreme rightwing people mainly Tories to overrule Devolved parliaments and then prorogue Westminster itself despite the Supreme Court ruling that it was illegal. The people who did this should have been removed from office. This is the politics of Ruritania!
I am too old to see us rejoin but I wish you all the best. I hope you line up Johnson, Gove, Cummings, Farage, Frost and the others for a walk of shame while their crimes of greed against the UK are displayed.
Also is another problem in London is they US sweet shops on Regent St that are selling sweets that are reported in having ingredients that contravene U.K. and EU food legislation.
The UK needs and the UK wants but what does the UK actually has to offer in return? Not too much, I fear. I'm sorry, but Brexit won't end just because the UK wishes it due to the Trump "America First!" threat. The current TCA is firmly in place, negotiated to satisfaction of the EU. At least it would be if the UK would finally implement all it agreed to in the TCA (and WA).
@@ai-d2121 So what point did I miss exactly: that there might be an opinion shift in the UK regarding Brexit? How is that relevant to the EU? It doesn't change the accession criteria. It doesn't change the fact that full Single Market access is a privilege reserved for EU and EFTA members, and not available for third countries such as the UK.
@ai-d2121 it was all about that it is good for uk as usual. What's in it for EU. Enlighten us. And the argument that this isn't ideological and only about hard economics. That's exactly what EU don't want to hear. You want to move in back with your ex because it is cold and damp in the bedsit. And no girlfriend. So you want to move back and screw her and live from her wealth until summer. Good luck with that argument.
IF the UK ever gets back in the EU it will be with exact same rights and obligations other countries have ( a HUGE farcry from all the privileges the UK had when brexit) but starts from 0 !
But will at least more than 70 % of the British public accept that the EU is a political project working towards a United States of Europe? In practice this means just accept the EU as it is at that moment. So no negotiations necessary. Accept everything or nothing. No opt-outs or special arrangements.
As a European, I don't know if I want Britain back in tbh. Northern Ireland is getting closer to the Republic and Europe can send it's non EU citizens to the UK. I personally think the EU has gained more than Britain. It has quietened down anti EU sentiment. The only party winning is russian proxy parties due to disinformation (which is over immigration) but it doesn't mean countries will exit the EU as there is strong support for the EU. Even the farmers disagree with the EU but they won't leave the EU and don't want to. It has educated them about what the EU is.
Of course the majority of the British people are thinking what we have now is a total mess.We need to trade without restrictions with Europe.Food standards the same as in Europe.Free movement back.Starmer better get on with it while he can.
Currently I'm not optimistic about the future here in the uk. As predicted brexit has done nothing but harm and is yet to produce even the most ethereal of benefits. I personally didn't vote to leave as I enjoyed many years living and working in mainland Europe and given that the small engineering business I set up was dependent on exporting over half it's output into the EU market it was bound to be catastrophic. I only returned to the uk to take care of my elderly and frail parents, not by choice. I believe that the uk is now in a catch 22 situation. The longer the uk is outside the EU the less likely it is to be able to meet the criteria to apply to join. Given the timid, tepid and weak labour government of Starmer and the, quite frankly batshit crazy, far right tories and their ReFuk Ltd alter ego, it's unlikely to turn the tide. I'm resigned to the fact that a group of ill educated, knuckle dragging sub humans voted to ruin my life at the behest of their corrupt politicians and billionaire overlords but the people I feel really despairinglysad for are those young people who were too young to vote and will never get the chances and opportunities I had. If it hadn't been for freedom of movement I'd have rotted in a never ending series of dead end jobs and over priced rented accommodation. Working and living in Europe broadened my horizons, allowed me to meet hundreds of interesting andvkind people and buy my first home. What more can I say. I will never forgive nor will I forget the spiteful selfishness of the whole brexit shit show and the scum who voted for it.
The UK used to brag that their standards were higher than the EU standards. If that were true - and they were committed to maintaining those standards as they pledged - there should be no cost.
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Thanks Rob, I totally agree, however we have to get PR first the EU won't be interested in us rejoining unless they are certain the tories and the reform parties aren't likely to ever hold total power for the foreseeable future
Thanks, Andrew, much appreciated.
The biggest problem with PR is "What do we mean by PR?" The are so many alternatives to FPTP 9the worst option), all have their own problems but my choice would be STV.
@@jonathanwetherell3609people voted for Brexit not knowing the full facts. PR systems must be fully and honestly explained before they are voted on.
@@gerry20pthe Tories, Cameron and Osborne made a fool over the LibDems and proposed a form of PR which they knew would not be acceptable to the electorate. Next the offered a so-called referendum. Then they offered us brexit. Then the offered Johnson's hard brexit. Vote Tory!
@@jonathanwetherell3609 There is a problem that STV proponents are mainly enamoured by the ranked ballots/preferential voting in STV. Most modern PR systems measure party support directly which is simpler and faster.
Einstein one said: "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity." Einstein died in 1955 but Brexit etc has shown that not much has changed since then.
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.
See Putin, Trump, Orban, Maduro etc.
@@ai-d2121 And most of all those people who voted them in !!
Yepp, as the Cardinal said,
a lie can be simple and easy to understand,
but the truth is often complicated.
The infinite of the universe is not even sure
People should have listened, when we were warning them this was going to happen.
The knuck draggers took us out of EU then went to US and did the same with electing DONvict !😅
@@adamknight4087 That speaks VOLUMES about both countries!
Correct, every counties top officials warned Britain not to go ahead with the Brexit vote.
But in typical British fashion they didn't listen.
@@gerardflynn7382 Perhaps Cameron is partly to blame by allowing a decision on only 50+% instead of 60%...
@@gerardflynn7382 If you ever watch GBnews they still aren't listening. In fact they are blaming the EU for what we actually did.
It is not in the EU's interest to waste time discussing deals with the UK when a future Tory or Reform government would renege on any and all agreements. Only a change to the UK voting system, denying a minority right-wing government the chance of undoing all accords, will allow major advances to take place. However, the reply by Starmer at a recent PMQs refusing any change to the voting system will do nothing but hinder future negotiations.
@@FrozenSkyyIt might but it'd be highly unlikely that they'd be able to form a government.
@@FrozenSkyyI think you may be right, this election was the first time I’ve ever thought PR might not be helpful (and also just where on earth have peoples souls gone for Reform to do so well?)
@@FrozenSkyy Good points. I live in France and at the last GE the RN (formerly National Front) won the largest number of seats in a highly divided assembly. However, no party wants to form a coalition with them. This is the reason France is presently in political turmoil. No matter how people vote, nobody wants extremists in power.
@@FrozenSkyy _Also, looking at what's happening at Germany and France_ I'm looking, but neither France nor Germany has had five different PM's in the last 5 years. Don't pretend that the UK is more stable as a democracy. Don't even pretend the UK is anything but a flawed democracy, with a king as head of state, FPTP and an unelected HOL.
@@maartenaalsmeer Good point and the Leave campaign milked the 'unelected bureaucrat in Brussels' argument for all it's worth.
In 2016, these people CHOSE not to listen. So, we are in the mess they left us with.
they voted (volunteered) to make us poorer (and with less rights and less freedoms and opportunities). I hope its hurting them, badly
I don't hear the term 're-moaners' much, nowadays.
're-moaners' - Brexitears
Not the Brexit I voted for when given a Yes/No Choice , not a multiple choice answer
@@1292liam They probably have EU passports and a ton of money, which basically means they don't care.
@@1292liam These people don't have the brain cells that are necessary for the pain of fail thinking.
The Brexiteers don’t want anybody telling them what to do apart from the US and Trump.
theyre dim puppets
Heaven help us all!
and pootin
I live by the maxim of treating everyone as stupid, unless they prove me wrong. There's no legislation for stupid as Brexit and 2x tRUMP presidency proves.
@@garyrollins5533 🤣🤣🤣 How funny! Here's my maxim: "This is yet another reason why I prefer horses and dogs to people".
300 banks in london 100 of them have branches in Dublin Brexit dividend for Ireland
It's no coincidence that Ireland has suddenly* got one of the best economies in the world... * It grew and grew after Brexit.
@@danielcarr7090 Don't talk about Ireland, the Brexiteers only talk about Germany and France.
@@thegreycat2260 Yeah, they are now saying that re-joining the EU would be a bad idea cos Germany and France are struggling, but they wouldn't reverse that notion if they were doing well. They wouldn't point at France and Germany if there economies were growing and say: 'see, we should be inside the EU now cos those economies are thriving.' Also France and Germany aren't the entire EU! Some countries are doing pretty well, whilst others have been mismanaged.
And that is only the half of it.
It is actually worse than that! The only reason you go to London these days for financing is because the deal it too risky to do anywhere else. So the time the balloon goes up, the UK taxpayer will find themselves facing a nasty bill.
If I was the EU I would never trust GB again. Too many still have not learned their lesson.
I disagree. But some real changes must take place, one if them the guarantee that this will not happen again in such an undemocratic way (no. I don’t mean the advisory poll sold as ‘ referendum’).
I do not agree with EllieV and her MAGA-like aggressive post. She should accept other opinions, being not so rude and more relaxed...
@@EllieD.Violet🇵🇸🇪🇺
@@klausschumacher7126😂😂😂 the UK made its bed
@@klausschumacher7126 I don't think her post was rude - I think she is the evidence of hard-nose thinking by many Europeans who don't want the instability of crazed EU haters from Britain telling lies about the EU, interfering in EU projects and generally making demands we have no right to make.
Hope Trump in the WH helps open folks eyes to the stupidity of leaving the EU
Not a hope!
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And the Fartage RW Heritage Foundation policy!
Don’t hold your breath.
It doesn't matter. It's too late for the UK.
We once had a say in the EU.
I miss those days.
I don't miss those days, but I'm not from the UK. Stay out, things are going much smoother since you guys left.
When did anyone have a say in the EU? No policy, regulation or rule was ever put to any vote in any general election and therefore lacked any legitimacy.
An organization built on feet of clay.
Didn't really though did we ask garage was our rep and wasn't there most of the time and when he was he was a grade one embarrassment
@neiltitmus9744 farage was a nuisance but not a problem. There was many other English members of the EU parliament that was not constantly drunk and not there. They were the problem.
Britain when in the EU punched well above our weight.
Now as a “stand alone” nation we can see ourselves for what we really are . A small country with few natural resources, an under educated under trained work force. Most of our assets ( infrastructure) have been sold to other countries.
It’s painful but we have to accept reality , we are poor and things are going to get much worse and thanks to Brexit non of us have the choice to move to or work in Europe.
Maybe we can learn to ration our food , repair clothes , shoes and tools, grow vegetables in our gardens like our grand parents did during and after WW11.
We have the Royal Family.
@springchicken893 yes, prince Andrew can repair BYD cars together with his Chinese friend...
"and thanks to Brexit non of us have the choice to move to or work in Europe."
That is not true. Google will help you to find out.
All the damage you speak about was a direct result of being IN the EU not out of it. The nation didn't have any of these problems before the political union.
@@haybrain We should start making Spitifires again, being back National Service.
But at McDonald's, Ration Books & Wave peace in our times paper rolls!
Amazing how the BBC and other media outlets are tight lipped about the will of the people this time
No mention of the Mercosur / EU trade deal on the BBC. On which UK is missing out.
Still run by toriies...
@@michaelwilliams3232 not surprising as Johnson stuffed the political side of the BBC with Tory place men
The BBC during brexit always showed Barnier speaking French even though he had already
answered in English the exact same question earlier in the same press conference
@ there is a protocol producer the French Politicos if marking a public speech have to speak French for the record then if necessary to speak - if they can - in the local tongue.
The BBC practice outlined is to show that he is ‘different’ and not english. I just wonder how many of our ‘European hating’ politicos can actually speak a second language.
I suspect that the Dutch would actually correct their poor english
As a Belgian who has worked in Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany, France and England, I have only been a victim of xenophobia in London.
Great Britain is rejoining the European Union, very well. Its economy is doing better, very well. And at the next big xenophobia crisis, you leave again?
Sadly there are xenophobes in every country, it's how the country deals with them. I worked in Greece, Germany and France and saw and experienced xenophobia in all of those countries. The simple fact is that I found in all three countries the xenophobes were the ill educated looking to blame someone else for their misfortune. I found the majority of people were good and kind and I'm very grateful for the kindness of many strangers.
Most unfriendly country, France, but I still love the country.
Accepting freedom of movement, schengen , the euro, are only the easy part of the deal. The real difficulty would be that as soon as the UK left, the EU took steps against money laundering and tax evasion , since the UK was not there to oppose it anymore. There's no way the UK would ever accept to give up it's money laundering and tax evasion practices.😊
We 🇪🇺 don’t want the UK to be part of the Eurozone 💶 it is against our 🇪🇺financial interests.
Exacto.
Not Forgetting 60% of GDP mandatory max debt limit
UK has decades of fun with that one to come
Rejoining would give the the millionaires who don't like EU's tax rules time to sort out their affairs and leave. I for one wouldn't mind seeing those individuals go. I'm sick of being told what to do by multi-millionaires.
"Save the jobs in money laundering!!!" was never going to work back in 2016. So, anti EU, anti immigrant, pro sovereignty etc was used to grab the emotive vote. It worked. If I could name one industry, just one, that has prospered since Brexit, it would have to be money laundering in London. Initially, I thought, well, tourism would benefit from the 20% drop in the pound. Well, not really. So, it's back to money laundering. This is a blind spot in the otherwise hyper competitive media world.
I have heard that the UK wants to do a deal with the EU to try to improve the future for the UK.
Usually when negotiating both parties have something the other wants. The negotiation, is the coming to an agreeable compromise in exchange together. As the entire planet sees this situation, the European Union has a market of 450 million healthy, wealthy, educated, ordered, motivated, well protected customers, that occupy a continent with excelent infrastructure, tourist attractions, social welfare arrangements, universal healthcare, natural resources, an intercooperational living, working regime, and advantageouse trading arrangements with all other important countries and groups worldwide to offer. On the other hand, the United Kingdom has a magic bean.
So, obviously the European Union will have to buckle under pressure from Lord Frost or that other quarterwit with white hair and no pencil or notepad. What could go wrong?
The EU should just tell them to f-off, they've made their choice.
@channelsixtyseven067 The EU is in serious trouble with unemployment rising industries closing VW probably finished and the Muslim invasion is well underway Europe is a lost cause.
The Americans have got what they want Europe moving to be a third world continent Russia and China laughing all the way to the bank .
Europe hasn't got the troops or weapons to defend itself with what they have given to Ukraine which is a lost cause and the amount of money Europe has poured into it a very corrupt country will bankrupt it I'm afraid Europe is well on it's way to self destruction and will start to fracture in the near future Brexit Britain did the bidding of it's Russian paymaster with the help of Farage Johnson Mogg etc.
I guess it is time to welcome the UK back into the EU. It is partly because we have to help them because of WW2 when they came to our aid. And the fact that a bunch full of liars, cons and frauds lurey many into thinking life is better outside the EU doesn’t mean we shall turn our backs. I am 60 hus born 25 years after the war yet I know history and I have visted the graves of many ( young) WW2 soldiers near the battlegrounds. And I can assure you that Many of them turned in their graves when they learned about Brexit.
Look. I'm just one EU citizen, but I would welcome UK back in a second, the whole brexit thing was idiotic. But I'm afraid UK is still in the findeth out phase.
@@ai-d2121 _It is partly because we have to help them because of WW2 when they came to our aid_ Russia also came to our aid in WW2, even more so than the UK. Should we help them now as well? Your argument makes no sense.
The question is if EU want GB. GB was never like the idea of EU, want only the trade. EU works better without GB. Sad, but true.
Northern Ireland and Scotland have a chance of rejoining.
There was a reason why Charles de Gaulle voted against allowing GB to join the union. If he were still alive, I wonder what he'd be saying?
That is not true , the EU has instigated these talks .
@@Sudique1 "If he were still alive, I wonder what he'd be saying?"
I told you guys, didn't I?
@@marinusvos 🤣🤣🤣
UK lost at the musical chair competition
As a resident of the EU I wanted to thank the British for Brexit because I want to show other countries in the EU how stupid ideas about leaving the EU end. In France, Italy and a few other countries those who wanted to take their countries out of the EU somehow fell silent! The UK has to hit rock bottom like an alcoholic to admit its mistake and ask to rejoin the EU. Personally I will be happy for the UK to return to the EU despite the problems and troubles because together we are stronger and it will be possible to learn English in its homeland again.
Rejoining the EU don’t make me laugh. The EU will not be in any hurry to take back the arrogant British. You’ve made your bed and now you’ll have to sleep in it. A nation that put tariffs on themselves. Maybe in 3 or 4 decades you may be welcome back though you’ll have to make major concessions
They have to drop their British mentality and exceptionalism to rejoin the EU.
Unfortunately it is this 'tarring everyone one with the same brush' mentality that enabled elite liars to convince a slim majority of the British public that everyone in Europe was bad and UK good so vote for Brexit. Your categorisation of 'the British' as being arrogant is exactly the same mentality.
I am not a Brit but an Italian. The UK was represented by a gang of clown in the EU, opposing basically everything. When Brexit happend the EU was able to grow and to move forward fast.
Now, with the crazy times ahead of us, we need a strong front in every possibile way. I want to UK to rejoin but with decent politicians who contribute to the grow of the EU, who contribute to our wel being. Not only economically but also military. It’s very likely that the US will try to leave NATO. It’s strategically not possible, but if Trump launched Project 2025, which he is doing it will be possible because the president will have more power to decide. We shouldn’t fear for a war, but it’s time that Europe isn’t depended on the US anymore.
One of the ideas of the EU is invest in Green Robotica industry and that way we can take our factories out China, we don’t need cheap labor as everything will be done by robots. This is the future.
Thank you Rob for being the consistent and reliable voice of reason and sanity on Brexit.
Wouldn't it be something if we had Donald Trump to thank for putting the final nail in the Brexit coffin? It's an illl wind, as they say.
Donald is not to blame for the English being deprived form good affordable education That's Margaret Thatcher and other simple mind Tories!
For the the UK to "rejoin" the EU, the UK will have to get in line with Ukraine and apply to join the EU . . . :-)
The Balkans have been waiting forever. They're first
No party has ever put country before party. “Make Brexit work” is an idea still-born. It’s not that the wheels have fallen off, it never had any wheels.
Very true. Brexit has been shown to have failed, on every level.
There is also another reason. Between 3 and 4 million brexit voters(as a conservative estimate)are no longer among the living and they have been replaced by a cadre of younger pro EU voters who were not able to vote in 2016
The EU is not a department store where you can come and go as you please. Or yearly decide to be a member or not.
Out means out for the minimum of the generation who has decided the out.
@Michael_from_EU_Germany I am well aware of this fact. In fact I think it likely that the EU will never allow a UK containing England or an independent England to join largely as a result of the widely held(among both those who are pro and anti EU)ideas of English exceptionalism and English superiority and the fact that England is not a good fit for the EU. I merely pointed out that there is a reason why there is now a significant rise in pro EU feeling in the UK
Those fossils doomed their own nation as a parting gift.
I am not a Brit but an Italian. My generation is very pro EU, for several reasons. The UK was represented by a gang of clown in the EU, opposing basically everything. When Brexit happend the EU was able to grow and to move forward fast.
Now, with the crazy times ahead of us, we need a strong front in every possibile way. I want to UK to rejoin but with decent politicians who contribute to the grow of the EU, who contribute to our wel being. Not only economically but also military. It’s very likely that the US will try to leave NATO. It’s strategically not possible, but if Trump launched Project 2025, which he is doing it will be possible because the president will have more power to decide. We shouldn’t fear for a war, but it’s time that Europe isn’t depended on the US anymore.
One of the ideas of the EU is invest in Green Robotica industry and that way we can take our factories out China, we don’t need cheap labor as everything will be done by robots. This is the future.
Little England needs to understand their empire. Gone the way of the Dodo. Stop thinking it's living in the 18th century.
Alas the little Englander is way too ignorant of their country's past, its present or future. They live in local bubbles of halcyon ignorance which they are unfortunately allowed to leave to vote.
I don't think it matters one jot what the general public think or feel about Brexit or its outcomes. In the Anglo-Sphere we are heading full steam into oligarchy / plutocracy. The feudal lords didn't want their businesses open to regulation, fiscality and transparency. They couldn't give a fig for a nation's freedom of movement, economic strength and growth, because they don't BELONG to any nation state. They only belong to their CLASS. They only see each other, they only meet each other. Borders have no meaning. They are venal and self-serving because they have come to believe that privilege is a right.
See how they react when the Brexit that brought them fiscal and regulatory opacity also ended the free lunch of subsidies to grow rape-seed instead of the food the country needs, and then the gov't rules to bring their farmland investments into line with everyone else. They get on their high horses in indignation and they scream blue murder. They lean on their fellow "class" mates in the media to amplify their efforts. If a rapprochement with the EU involves fiscal and regulatory alignment, particularly with respect to the City and its offshore "children", then it will be resisted relentlessly. Mark my words.
Brexit, a festering pustulent....
Well said.
I understand why Starmer took the stance he did on brexit before the election but now with the massive majority Labour has there is no reason to be cautious any longer, it just makes them look out of touch and running scared of the crooks and liars who instigated the catastrophe. He needs to grow some political b4lls
The majority is elected on a manifesto
That "massive majority" doesn't exist in reality, it is just a consequences of a flawed, undemocratic system.
There isn't much difference in the popular vote pré and post election, the country is still 50-50.
And with eu membership decides away, Starmer has zero to gain for the next election, which is all that matters in british politics.
Perfect as always Rob ❤
ABSOLUTELY NO REJOIN
SCOTLAND AND WALES AND EVENTUALLY ENGLAND SHOULD BECOME NEW EU MEMBERS 🎉
This happened because these people who thought English superiority was all that mattered and now those that still think they were still trying to be right the rest of us could see the wrongs of this
The EU is unlikely to re-admit the UK unless it is willing to join the Eurozone and adopt the Euro as its sole currency.
UK is just waiting for the pound to be at the same level (or less) as the Euro, might not attract many foreign workers sadly.
But there are members who have not adopted the Euro such as Poland, Sweden and Denmark.
Manadory Euro, Schengen, 60% GDP max debt limit, ECJ & ECHR
@@philipdouglas5911 We'll make sure the UK does. Don't tell me we can't because WE CAN.
@@philipdouglas5911But not anymore. All new members must have the €. as currency...
Wishfull thinking, the EU has also not forgotten the Iron Ladies behaviour 😢
If the UK wants to rejoin, they better start progress on meeting the Copenhagen criteria. Good luck.
Imagine being so catastrophically stupid that you’d still think Brexit was a good idea.
We are millions of Europeans who still say "good riddance".
In my opinion, the EU should only offer talks about membership again if both Tories AND Labor have expressed their wish for membership for 2-3 years. Any other discussion with the British is a waste of time.
That is how Brussels see it and will continue to encourage Britain towards joining but until the major political parties are fully behind joining very little will change.
We (EU) should keep the UK out of our Union forever.
We had a confirmatory referendum( yes a proper referendum in 1975) and yet our dodgy Westminster system allowed that to be overturned. I wonder if there was a failing within the EU that permitted the 1975 referendum to be overruled?
More an assumption that no one would be that dumb!
That is why the EU requires all applicants to meet the Copenhagen criteria before being admitted to membership and it includes your criteria.
At 7'10 " the EU would likely demand concessions". I'm not comfortable with the wording, it's not really concessions, it's part of the dealer which the 27 members have accepted. They were just ask the UK to accept the terms of the contract it signs. It's just normal.
Individual countries could do it. Spain could bring up the Gibraltar problem and Cyprus the Akrotiri and Dekhelia. It happened to Croatia when it was joining EU in 2013. Slovenia, then already a member, and Croatia had long standing border issues especially about the Piran Bay area and the accession process was held up for a year until both parties agreed to let UN resolve it. With both Gibraltar and Akrotiri and Dekhelia being on the UN list of territories to be decolonized it could very well mean UK would finally have to give in and return them.
That's true and worth pointing out. The starting point for negotiations would be a standard deal. Not getting the extra special privileges back - privileges that one willingly gave up - is not conceding.
I remember the party atmosphere on Brexit day. Unfortunately the hangover seems to be lasting a rather long time.
The EU won't want us back. Since the divorce - we've taken to loafing about in our static caravan wearing the same pants for months on end. We're expecting too much of pity. Also, that baggage Farage is still dropping by for booty calls, every now and then, and we haven't even changed the locks yet.
The main issue for the EU is that they need confidence that membership would be permanent. We need the Tories to support membership again as they did for decades.
@@DisleyDavid Right, and why should we waste our time?
And if you join in (again): no cherry-picking.
Standard procedures and conditions. Otherwise the small member states in particular will say NO!
Here is the thing: If Britain ever tries to rejoin the EU, it will be all in.
They got all the special privileges and exceptions they wanted the first time around and were still not satisfied.
For round two, thats not gonna happen. Full membership, adoption of the Euro, all the stuff. Otherwies whose to say when they will back out again.
Thank you that made me laugh I really needed cheering up
Rejoining is not a thing. Why on earth would EU take UK back after all this crap? It is obvious to all that EU is better off without UK, they dragged us down and held us back
The UK was only in the EU for economic reasons, they never wanted the political project that EU very much is.
One insight of Karl Marx has stood the test of time: You cannot delineate politics and economy.
And never read the Ever close Union Mission Statement
And they made a terrible job of that rarely producing a positive balance of trade despite having preferential access to a very rich market!
@@dooley-ch Please bear with a compatriot from the big Canton- don't get caught i the Brexiteer trap.
The UK had a negative trade balance in goods traded, that is true.
But they made up for this in services;-)
Which, by chance, are not in the TCA because such trade agreements normally only cover goods, and not services.
And they can never be in any agreement as they would have to have an arbiter, which only could be in the EU courts.
And that would mean a level playing field would be demanded,
And thus the EU transparency directive comes into play, which could be enforced by the EUs highest court...
Brexit was only to avoid just that. So the Real Rulers of the UK can never allow that.
In the years since Brexit, it’s become clear that the promises made haven't matched reality. Trade challenges, worker shortages, and rising immigration from non-EU countries have left us questioning the path we’ve taken.
Public sentiment has shifted, with many now seeing the value of European freedom of movement and collaboration. It’s time to explore ways to rebuild our relationship with the EU-not as a step back, but as a step forward towards prosperity, cooperation, and shared values.
Let’s work together to end our self-imposed isolation and forge a stronger future!
The EU has completely moved on from Brexit, it's a non issue now, it's the UK that's still reeling from it and struggling to adapt to being outside of the club.
Brexit means Brexit. Here is what would need to happen for the UK to join the EU. Good luck with that: For the UK to rejoin the European Union (EU), several political, legal, and procedural steps would need to be taken. Here's an outline of what would need to happen:
1. Domestic Political Consensus
Public Opinion Shift: A significant portion of the UK population would need to support EU membership. This could manifest through opinion polls, elections, or referendums.
Government Support: The UK government would need to prioritize rejoining the EU, likely led by a political party or coalition with a strong pro-EU stance.
Parliamentary Approval: The decision to apply for EU membership would require parliamentary debate and approval.
2. Application to Rejoin the EU
The UK would formally notify the EU of its intention to apply for membership. This would be done under Article 49 of the Treaty on European Union, which outlines the procedure for new member states.
3. Satisfying Membership Criteria
The UK would need to meet the Copenhagen Criteria, which include:
Stable Institutions: Ensuring democracy, the rule of law, human rights, and respect for minorities.
Functioning Market Economy: Demonstrating the capacity to cope with market competition within the EU.
Adoption of EU Acquis: Agreeing to the body of EU law and regulations, including policies the UK previously opted out of (e.g., the Schengen Area or Eurozone).
4. Negotiations with the EU
Reintegration Terms: Negotiations would cover issues such as the UK's contributions to the EU budget, trade agreements, and participation in EU policies.
Potential Opt-Outs: The UK might seek opt-outs or special arrangements, though it would likely have less leverage than during its original membership.
Addressing Brexit Legacy: Issues like Northern Ireland, fishing rights, and other Brexit-era agreements would need reevaluation.
5. Approval by EU Institutions and Member States
European Commission: Evaluates the application and ensures the UK meets the criteria.
European Parliament: Votes on the application.
Council of the EU: Requires unanimous approval from all existing member states.
6. Domestic Referendum or Legislation
A referendum or legislative process may be required in the UK to finalize the decision to join, depending on political circumstances and public opinion.
7. Transition and Membership
Accession Treaty: The UK would sign an accession treaty, detailing the terms of membership.
Implementation Period: The UK would integrate EU laws and regulations.
Full Membership: Once ratified by all EU member states and the UK, the country would become a full member.
Challenges
Public Opinion: Convincing a divided population could be difficult.
EU's Willingness: Some EU countries may be hesitant to re-admit the UK due to its previous exit and demands for special treatment.
Economic Adjustments: Rejoining might require significant economic and regulatory adjustments.
Northern Ireland: Ensuring compatibility with the Good Friday Agreement and managing cross-border issues would be crucial.
Rejoining the EU would require extensive political will, societal support, and time to navigate the complex process.
It gives me heart, but I’m concerned the EU will never want us back, we’re too much trouble. Great work as always 🙏❤️ many thanks.
I wasn’t a fan of letting the EU back in but pragmatism does dictate a nimble mind. A UK committed to being a permanent and solid member of the EU would be a valuable addition as we move from away from 80 years of Pax Americana to Comminatio Russiana (Russian Menace).
So…if UK is serious, let’s make in happen in an attitude of common logic term interest.
Obviously I mean UK back in…
The UK should never ever be allowed to join our Union (EU) again. She's had her chance and blew it. Besides that, she's not worth the trouble.
ABSOLUTELY NO REJOIN
SCOTLAND AND WALES AND EVENTUALLY ENGLAND SHOULD BECOME NEW EU MEMBERS 🎉
@@erikmoen3822 🥰❤️👍
i don't think EU will want another pain in the head .. with untrusted UK.. when is bad you are leaving when is good you want back ..
The Brexiteers claimed they did not want Europeans sorry we are European ! Anglo Saxons Normans and other throughout history where would we be without the Roman influence ie roads still being used today. I was angered when Brexit come about caused be deliberate lies. My British Passport has been seriously devalued in more ways than one.
"Trading freedom of movement for access to the Single Market", while a phrase repeated very much in UK media and discourse in the last few days, especially in the aftermath of a recent ECFR poll, is politically, economically and legally illiterate.
You are a third country. You already have access to the Single Market on that basis, albeit one the terms of which are now dictated by international law as it relates to third countries. What you and others are doing in videos such as this one which primarily address a UK audience, is purposefully equating "access to" with "participation in". This is disingenuous - intentionally exploiting your own audience's (unfortunately well demonstrated) ignorance of or disdain for international law to pretend that an option exists where not only does it not, but it cannot.
"Freedom of movement", likewise, cannot mean what you once assumed it to mean now that you are a third country (though what you typically assumed it to mean was never quite what it was either anyway). With your present status under international law, as with all other third countries, the EU may entertain reciprocal visa schemes with you (the "C" part of "TCA") whereby specific cohorts of people may move with relatively greater ease through your mutual border. However the EU will not, and indeed cannot, allow the freedom of movement you enjoyed as a member to be granted to what is now a non-member and a competitor on its own doorstep.
In the second half of your video you reverted to language that at least approximates reality and mentioned "rejoining the EU" as an option, in the context of hoping that more of your politicians adopt such a goal going forward. This at least is an option that exists in the real world - one does not have to dismiss or misrepresent international law to pursue this course. Indeed it is a course well defined by existing treaties, conventions and EU law.
Fulfilling one's obligations however as defined within that course (the Copenhagen Criteria chief among them) is, of course, the actual challenge that lies ahead, even if as a country you manage to generate the social and political will to pursue it in the future - obligations that stretch far beyond merely "adopting the Euro" or "joining Schengen" and which address fundamental political, constitutional and societal reforms within your polity that are needed before you can even make an application to join the EU.
However the complete absence of any realisation of what this actually would entail in any discourse to date emanating from within the UK, including from yourself in your own videos, suggests a level of exceptionalism (from reality itself it seems) that is just as evident among "rejoiners" now as it ever was among "Brexiters" in the past. And as long as this persists then the EU, for its own protection, will forever want to keep you exactly where you have stupidly placed yourselves - having proved yourselves to be a dangerously inept and catastrophically ignorant third country with whom all access, negotiations and communication will be conducted strictly according to the EU's own terms and only in areas whereby the EU can guarantee its own members that your erratic, ignorant and dangerously exceptionalist behaviour cannot threaten their security or potential ever again.
_a level of exceptionalism (from reality itself it seems) that is just as evident among "rejoiners" now as it ever was among "Brexiters" in the past_ Yes, this is the issue in a nutshell. "But we're an important country, 7th global economy, big army, the EU needs us as well!" is so often the 'Remain' argument. But the UK and EU aren't equals, it's one single nation vs. a 27 nation bloc and the UK isn't needed as a member in order for the EU to exist. So the UK needing the EU is not relevant to the EU. But Britons keep missing that point.
Excellent analysis. I totally concur with all your points. As the Last Male of a line that held a seat in the House of Lords for 400 years I am well-acquainted with the truth of Britain's perfidious history, its betrayals of Allies and its victims. The biggest export the UK has ever had is its arrogance. Its pre-WW2 status as an Empire was built on its treachery and brutality. It no longer has ANY valid voice in World Affairs, it could not defend itself against any of the numerous enemies now sniffing at its heels. It DID have clout as an EU Member State, as much as all the others but it threw that away. It has nothing to bring to the table, I seriously doubt the Union will still exist for much longer.
No cherry picking.
Excellent analysis, as ever.
dear EU, don't let britain return until it's implemented far reaching political reform ie; proportional representation... at the moment the only thing the labour government has got going for itself is 'they're not the torys', labour really needs to stop running scared and 'grow a pair'...
Dear EU, don't let Britain ever return. So, fixed that.
Only one problem: you can't rejoin. You can apply to join, when you've fulfilled the criteria, and if you ask nicely, the EU member states will consider your application.
Merry Christmas 🎄💚
We were completely lied to.
Brexit ask farage and the hedge funds how much money they made .
I have the greatest sympathy for the British who voted in 2016 to remain in the European Union and for all those who have since seen the difficulties in their lives worsen.
It is tragic that a country and a people for which I have the greatest sympathy have been condemned since 1945 to be governed by mediocre and criminal politicians.
Unfortunately, the reality is this: the European Union does not want the United Kingdom to return.
The United Kingdom has always been seen by other members of the European Union as a country that only causes difficulties and harms cohesion.
The special status that the United Kingdom claimed is proof of this. Read the deal that Cameron negotiated (and the European Union accepted) that would have been put into practice if he had won EU membership in the 2016 referendum.
The painful reality is this: the United Kingdom will never return to the European Union.
May God protect the British in the governance of their incompetent politicians!
You forget one thing: those mediocre politician are chosen by the electorate, that hasn't shown any intelligence themselves.
Farmings been decimated..but farmers overwhelmingly voted for brexit. Now times are tough and the richest are being asked to contribute by taxation, like the rest of us, they’re moaning.
I recall watching in disbelief eight years ago the news that UK had voted for Brexit by a narrow margin. What idiocy had taken root? What incredible delusions of Imperial grandeur had gripped British minds to think they would be better in the global community off on their own in 2016? You were lied to and you fell for it.
As I said in 2016, it is impossible to make Brexit work.
The UK needs the EU more than the EU needs the UK.
So the UK starts by setting pre conditions like keeping the Sterling and whatnot.
Come on.
Better out for everyone, especially the EU
UK setting pre conditions is an immediate No (No Cherry picking)
Euro is mandatory before joining, as is Schengen, no such thing as rejoining only joining as a new member
Copenhagen Criteria in Full (which the UK voted for when a member for new applicants )
This is better for everybody
For Gods sake! Don’t use the Euro! Do not lose your independent currency, and be put under German austerity….
@@lancescott2174fine, keep your British pound and stay out. No problem.
No, Brexit is not permanent but it'll last a long time, for many reasons. Better to make security and defense agreements in this unstable period.
Yes.
Please look up about the UK-German Trinity House Agreement, which was signed recently 😊
@saba1030 Just read it, not much in it really. Just the setting up of bodies like Military Steering Committee which will do the bulk the work. Still, it's a step.
@@nickbarton3191
Well, Rheinmetall BAE Systems (55 % Rheinmetall) will modernise the Challenger..
Rheinmetall will build another production plant in the UK..
The German air forces will operate its P-8 Poseidons from RAF Lossiemouth to protect the North Atlantic..
The UK-German Trinity House Agreement will be the pillars to protect the European Continent..
There exists already a simular agreement with France..
@@nickbarton3191 I don't want to be cynical, but it seems to me the UK is harping about those things to get in for the fat tenders that military orders will bring in...
again in for the money only.
@RealMash Maybe
I worked in the defense industry for two decades, at that time indeed it was a money making scheme.
But the threat to the western Atlantic approaches remain. I've read NATO reports, if we can believe them, the threat is greater than ever. UK technology at sea remains at the top, don't despise what we have, I still have ex colleagues in this domain
8 years after Brexshit this show gives and gives and gives .... we all in the EU are having our popcorn and watch this ' Little Britain ' episode... .. new selfinflicting every day ... well done UK !!
Read some of the new comments. They make brainless zombies look smart. Everyone knows that the UK’s economy is collapsing like a cardhouse. That they now have such a huge debt, largely surpassing their economy. That Scotland and Northern Ireland want their inpendence and rejoin the EU. If they don’t rejoin any time soon, the UK will collapse and be over and out.
Thanks Rob, for telling it like it really is!
Our politicians just don't have the necessary skills, foresight, or determination to pursue the policy of rejoining the EU. Despite the overwhelming evidence that Brexit has failed miserably, the economy is in decline ; the UK has lost its world power status, which membership of the EU had enhanced, the present government seems to be either afraid, or unsure what to do about it. We need to re-engage with Europe and drop the idea of a Trade Agreement with the USA - that wouldn't be to our advantage. Europe is the way !
EU doesn't care about a clear "commitment" from labour. Tories will tear it all up in four years. Anyhow, the reason for joining is wrong in EU's eyes. It's only economics for the brits. No commitment to Europe. You will try to fuck over Europe at the first opportunity. Anyhow it is moot. Uk can not join EU in sixty years. That is impossible. Have anyone of you even read the Copenhagen criterias?
I did. And then had to read some of the referenced documents. Bit time consuming, but doable in full if it is precondition for your job.
Sadly, most Brexiteers seem...ill equipped in the upper floor department...so they can't.
Or woun't, because it is written by forriners....
And the EU even provides english versions of all documents which they do for all official languages...come to think of it, could have made it easier for me to read it in German ;-)
“Napolean Bone Spurs” 😂
And "Twat tax." This vid had me in stitches. 😅
Get ready to ditch the pound. No chance of getting back without the Euro.
Copenhagen criteria contains much steeper hurdles the UK can not surmount...
Fine by me. What is this rosey sentiment with the pound all about? Money is simply a number in a bank account.
Brexit lies in ashes and this government , any government faces some difficult choices . The mantra of making Brexit work is unsustainable.
All Brexit did was prove how easily the British public can be misled.
I'm fine with paying my own tw*t tax, it's paying other people's I can't stand. I'm heading into tw*t tax exile!
You're not paying tax "for other people" you're paying tax for services. Who paid for your generation while you were sitting on your a**e at school and university.
Read the TCA, the conditions to even apply for membership, the indifference of most of Europe, and then we will talk again. Myths and unicorns.
Agree, the remainers/rejoiners are often just as delusional as Brexiteers.
I have read a synopsis of the TCA. IT should be scrapped at the earliest opportunity.
@@Sjb-on5xt why, so you can go fully rogue and enjoy a complete breakdown of UK?
@@Sjb-on5xt For the EUs sake, yes it should.
@@Sjb-on5xtYou haven't even implemented quite a lot of it yet. That's what the review , not "renegotiation", is about. To make sure you implemented it fully before we even talk to you.
No room in the EU for exceptionalists.
Enjoy your independence ... alone.
I have 6 grandchildren, aged from 16 up to 26, they all want to be part of Europe. they have only known me, and their late Granddad, as living in France, they had plans to live and work here.. taken away by Brexit..
First world problems for 0.001% of the population.
And when they do return, they won’t have the sweet deal they had before.
I think it is all too late for the UK now. Sometimes a country only gets one chance to secure long term prosperity. The UK blew it so badly with Brexit. By the time the UK prepares itself to apply to rejoin the EU, many many things in the world will have changed, mostly for the worse. The biggest of these is likely to be a global refugee crisis of unprecedented proportions. I foresee that preventing the UK from ever rejoining. Nevertheless, the UK should still align with the EU and improve relations with the EU to facilitate trade, as a third country.
The improvements that are possible as a third country in addition to the TCA only amount to a few billion pounds in trade volume.
140 billion pounds brexit loss every year (rising trend in the following years) contrasts with a possible 3 to 5 billion plus through further agreements between EU and UK.
That doesn't help the UK.
@@Michael_from_EU_Germany I'm just thinking of reducing border delays with more automation, more staff perhaps, and faster procedures. As for how much that might benefit trade, who knows, but every little helps. For sure, the massive damage of Brexit cannot be undone or reversed. And at this point I don't think the UK will ever rejoin the EU.
I hate to say we told you so, but... we told you so. And, how does the UK expect the EU to ever trust them again?
always super interesting and informative video’s,
Rejoining won't be a choice left to the UK Alone but it will be a very long process which is not up to date in the curent british political situation Britain will have to give up its critics on the purpose of the EU and also real proves of its willingness of a stable alliance such as giving up the pound and join the Euro zone at least
What's in it for the EU, to allow freedom of movement for UK citizens? You lot voted to leave, now you've changed your mind and want back in .... the real world doesn't work like that.
@channelsixtyseven067 Don't tar all of us with the same brush please!
@@darv65 The "UK", "Britain",
"British" and "England" are names used by the rest of the world to mean England. I was born in that rump state, Brexit-voting little shit hole called Wales.
No, we haven't changed our minds, especially after seeing so many right wing governments being elected and the far right waiting in the wings in France and Germany. Either you want to join a right wing cabal, or remain out.
@@darv65 I understand not everyone in the UK shares the same opinion, but that is something you'll have to deal with over there yourself, from an outside perspective the UK has one voice, not 68million
We should close our borders for UK citizens.
Feels like the 1930's again.
You wanted Brexit, you can have Brexit and everything that goes with it. Best of luck restructuring the economy to take account of poor market access and labour shortages on farms, packing sheds and hospitals. Miserable times ahead for many in the foreseeable future.
Why would the EU want the UK back? As a nation, your lack of self-awareness is astonishing.
One thing that brexit showed was how weak the Westminster system is. It allowed extreme rightwing people mainly Tories to overrule
Devolved parliaments and then prorogue Westminster itself despite the Supreme Court ruling that it was illegal. The people who did this should have been removed from office. This is the politics of Ruritania!
The EU has just signed a FT agreement with south America
EU members likely would want to settle some bills with the UK. For instance: the UK should return Gibraltar to Spain and the Elgin marbles to Greece.
Strange! You never mentioned Northern Ireland.
I only mentioned the minor problems.
Please give me my freedom of movement back so I can be reunited with my family...
Brexit was a stupid and unjust decision.
Not available for 3rd countries, but for EU and EFTA member states ONLY !!
I am too old to see us rejoin but I wish you all the best. I hope you line up Johnson, Gove, Cummings, Farage, Frost and the others for a walk of shame while their crimes of greed against the UK are displayed.
Good talk Rob, thanks.
The Achilles Heel of the BRexit fantasy always was reality.
Also is another problem in London is they US sweet shops on Regent St that are selling sweets that are reported in having ingredients that contravene U.K. and EU food legislation.
😠 Not Regent Street! Too posh for sweet shops! You meant Oxford Street 🥴!
@ sorry I just know what’s happening just the location wrong
The UK needs and the UK wants but what does the UK actually has to offer in return? Not too much, I fear. I'm sorry, but Brexit won't end just because the UK wishes it due to the Trump "America First!" threat. The current TCA is firmly in place, negotiated to satisfaction of the EU. At least it would be if the UK would finally implement all it agreed to in the TCA (and WA).
Glad you are not a politician because you kinda miss the point of the video and rejoining the EU.
@@ai-d2121 So what point did I miss exactly: that there might be an opinion shift in the UK regarding Brexit? How is that relevant to the EU? It doesn't change the accession criteria. It doesn't change the fact that full Single Market access is a privilege reserved for EU and EFTA members, and not available for third countries such as the UK.
@ai-d2121 it was all about that it is good for uk as usual. What's in it for EU. Enlighten us. And the argument that this isn't ideological and only about hard economics. That's exactly what EU don't want to hear. You want to move in back with your ex because it is cold and damp in the bedsit. And no girlfriend. So you want to move back and screw her and live from her wealth until summer. Good luck with that argument.
The TCA will be scrapped at the earliest opportunity.
@@Sjb-on5xt and why should EU allow that?
IF the UK ever gets back in the EU it will be with exact same rights and obligations other countries have ( a HUGE farcry from all the privileges the UK had when brexit) but starts from 0 !
Absolutely! When can we start?
It was indefensible in 2016!!
But will at least more than 70 % of the British public accept that the EU is a political project working towards a United States of Europe? In practice this means just accept the EU as it is at that moment. So no negotiations necessary. Accept everything or nothing. No opt-outs or special arrangements.
As a European, I don't know if I want Britain back in tbh. Northern Ireland is getting closer to the Republic and Europe can send it's non EU citizens to the UK. I personally think the EU has gained more than Britain. It has quietened down anti EU sentiment. The only party winning is russian proxy parties due to disinformation (which is over immigration) but it doesn't mean countries will exit the EU as there is strong support for the EU.
Even the farmers disagree with the EU but they won't leave the EU and don't want to. It has educated them about what the EU is.
So you're pro Europe isolationism?
What could be better than leaving the largest , most successful trading group in world history!?!
Watching the brexiters have a caniption on the daily mail is priceless
"America First" is just another of his lies. How about "Billionaires First" having more accuracy.
Of course the majority of the British people are thinking what we have now is a total mess.We need to trade without restrictions with Europe.Food standards the same as in Europe.Free movement back.Starmer better get on with it while he can.
@@foppo100 and how can he do that? EU is satisfied with the TA. They only want it to be implemented. There is no leverage. And there never was.
Currently I'm not optimistic about the future here in the uk. As predicted brexit has done nothing but harm and is yet to produce even the most ethereal of benefits. I personally didn't vote to leave as I enjoyed many years living and working in mainland Europe and given that the small engineering business I set up was dependent on exporting over half it's output into the EU market it was bound to be catastrophic. I only returned to the uk to take care of my elderly and frail parents, not by choice.
I believe that the uk is now in a catch 22 situation. The longer the uk is outside the EU the less likely it is to be able to meet the criteria to apply to join. Given the timid, tepid and weak labour government of Starmer and the, quite frankly batshit crazy, far right tories and their ReFuk Ltd alter ego, it's unlikely to turn the tide.
I'm resigned to the fact that a group of ill educated, knuckle dragging sub humans voted to ruin my life at the behest of their corrupt politicians and billionaire overlords but the people I feel really despairinglysad for are those young people who were too young to vote and will never get the chances and opportunities I had. If it hadn't been for freedom of movement I'd have rotted in a never ending series of dead end jobs and over priced rented accommodation. Working and living in Europe broadened my horizons, allowed me to meet hundreds of interesting andvkind people and buy my first home.
What more can I say. I will never forgive nor will I forget the spiteful selfishness of the whole brexit shit show and the scum who voted for it.
God bless the king prince Charles?
Any food exported from the UK to the EU has to meet all EU food and safety requirements, at cost to UK's farmers and exporters :-)
The UK used to brag that their standards were higher than the EU standards. If that were true - and they were committed to maintaining those standards as they pledged - there should be no cost.
Excellent video so refreshing to hear someone speak with such clarity and truth thank you