I think he's just trolling. It wouldn't be interesting if both of them agreed on the same topic. He hates on a lot of top athletes that shannon and the fans know are really good players.
And yet, he'll defend Brady, and say if they happen to reach the playoffs with 7 wins, teams should fear Brady. No team fears Brady anymore they do fear Mahomes, Allen, hurts, when healthy, possibly Rodgers could still be in that mix as well.
Lamar Jackson has done more with Less. Never had a #1 WR and won a Unanimous MVP, Won a Playoff Game, and is the 3rd Winningest QB currently in the NFL behind Mahomes and Brady. The fact that he gets glossed over in these conversations is embarrassing and foul.
I think they are only talking about the qb’s that have a playoff spot . If the ravens have one then I think it’s because he’s not an MVP candidate this year .
@ajthecipher1588 Ravens Clinched a Playoff Berth already. The Media has been fawning over the other QBs and forget the only one who even is a potential threat to Mahomes, if he were able to win a SB (easier said than done).
@sindilacion Josh Allen has also had 2 down years in a row. Nobody cares. Lamar gets Trevor Lawrence and Josh Allen in the Playoffs. Josh Allen is horrible against the Ravens defense. BAL will play KC in the AFCCG
Skip when Brady throws 3 picks and wins 17-16: "Did you see the goat of goats on that game-winning drive?!" Skip when Mahomes throws 1 pick and wins 42-35: "...but he threw a pick..."
@@iamtheoysterking naa you can’t put that label on Shannon. I hate it too but Shannon changes his mind with new info as an analyst should. He was saying it was Josh Allen through the 1st 6/7 weeks… then switched back to Mahomes then he said jalen hurts took the lead and now that he’s injured he’s back on Mahomes and I think that analysis is correct. Hitching your wagon is fine as long as you’re willing to admit you were wrong and that is where he differs from people like Skip.
@@Twirlingz because they make predictions lol who cares about predictions.. the point is wether or not he’s objective enough to stray away from it and all year he has.. right now he’s saying it’s Mahomes but is it not? Lol 6 weeks in he said it was Josh Allen and 2 weeks ago he said it was jalen hurts.. he’s been objective all year
Yea but the Bengals did have a way tougher schedule this year and they have almost beat every team in the afc hunt. I think mahomes burrow and Allen are #1 in their own respective categories in how they play their game. Mahomes is #1 for now, but I think in the near future the tides are going to turn. Just an opinion
Well yes, did you think these guys actually held all these opinions, which just happen to be diametrically opposed on every issue? Lol, they don't script these shows in a literal sense, but they certainly guide and control what is said.
Lol. Burrow has hurt a lot of fanbases egos since he came into the league. I think people were ready for Mahomes to be the king for decades and all the sudden, there is a better, smarter QB in the league in Burrow.
@brianhartman7135 Lmao smarter better not even close burrow has 3 possible pro bowl wide outs if not they could be number 1s or twos on every team in the nfl mahomes is way better Nd that is a fact
@@brianhartman7135 Chiefs have lost every game due to a missed field goal. Go back and check each game I’m not wrong. If those field goals aren’t missed Patrick Mahomes leads the chiefs to an undefeated season
@@matthewgulley9725 This is pretty clearly not a fact, but it's not an unreasonable opinion either. But I'm not sure on what planet the Bengals have 3 pro bowl receivers. Boyd has been in the league for 6 years, if he were a pro bowler he'd have made at least one pro bowl appearance in that time lol. Higgins is good and Chase is extremely good. But Burrow also has already shown he can do well without Chase, so the idea that he's relying on an insane receiving core to do well is pretty out-there. Burrow's good, and Mahomes is good, I don't think it's as clearcut as you make it out to be.
@@brianhartman7135 "better, smarter" LOL based on what? Please give some statistics? Do you have their college GPAs? Bro you just sound like a Bengals fanboy trying to crown a guy who has done it for 1-2 years. Dont get me wrong Burrow is a beast but he'd be the backup to Mahomes if they were on the same team and that's facts
@@travisblair3189they're all really close to one another (well except Burrow, he actually is more a Brady type where he's not a slinger but he just knows what to do at the right time), but Mahomes has the edge on throwing that no one has ever done. Rodgers included, and he was the most talented QB by far before Mahomes came in. But Patty actually has done something that I didn't know was possible he actually has learned how to use the football like a baseball. So his throws are actually unbelievable, because there is no WAY he should be able to do them. It should be impossible. But he does it, literally almost every week. This dude can't be touched.
@@IsaacMSingleton1 let me know when mahomes has back to back seasons of 4000+ passing yards, 750+ rushing yards Nobody has done it once other than allen He’s done it back to back
Until someone dethrones Mahomes and wins the Superbowl and MVP.... it's him. It's that simple. Burrow and Allen got great offensive weapons and can sling it. Now can they actually cash it in.... oh and the only reason why im not puttin Lamar in this discussion yet is cuz that Greg Norman offense leaves much to be desired. Those other guys are tryna get to what Mahomes has already achieved. It's that simple.
@@brianhartman7135 He also has a bottom 10 defense. Plus a top 10 wr like Chase is much more valuable than any TE could be. Chase has more ypg and about as many tds per game. They are practically equal in the receiving game. Plus for half of his carrer he has had a bad O-line and still played extremely well.
No have to disagree, Mahomes does not take over games without Tyreek. Allen is clearly the better athlete; bigger, faster, and a better arm than Mahomes. Arm talent is Allen, Herbert, Mahomes, old Aaron Rodgers, then everyone else.
Allen will NEVER get the respect from Skip because he's already out performed his boy Baker Mayfield. Allen has his team on top of the AFC Conference ( at this moment) and just broke Dan Marino's record for the most touchdowns in his first 5 years.
Checking in as a massive Chargers and Herbert fan: it's Mahomes and it's not even a discussion. He's in a tier on his own. It's just not fun to even discuss anymore, so talk shows keep having segments like these. I truly believe Herbert is going to be the one to challenge him for the top spot (as I said; I'm a fan), but I'll only believe it when I see it.
Chiefs fan but I admire Burrow's cool head and toughness under duress. He is very accurate, even with pressures and sacks. Mahomes makes some unbelievable plays that only a few QBs can make. Mahomes and the offense need to be more consistent in playoff games. Sometimes the offense disappears for an entire half (AFCCG against the Patriots, SB against the Niners, against the Texans down 24-0, and against Cincy up big at halftime and basically nothing in the 2nd half. Bengals are the better overall team. Their defense is very good
Lamar is the one guy who has the talent to match Mahomes but he doesn't have the organizational help around him. They completely wasted Lamar's rookie contract without giving him any weapons. If Lamar can escape and go to Miami he can legitimately challenge Mahomes.
Never was Gronk mentioned this way when Brady was winning championships in NE. But Kelce is the greatest pass catching TE to discredit Mahomes. Also Burrow hasn’t won yet. Stop treating him like Brady.
I agree that Burrow doesn't have enough of a resume to warrant this talk...you do see he has the character traits Brady has. In terms of his mental approach, work ethic, leadership, clutch, etc. They don't have similar playing styles, but I understand the comp in that respect
@@michaeldonnelly7256 he also has the worst weapons of the group look at what Philly did for hurts after saying he couldn’t throw consistently in the nfl. They gave him Devonta Smith in 2021 and aj brown in 2022 and now look at him. look what they did for Josh Allen after people were questioning his accuracy. They gave him Diggs in 2020 and he hasn’t looked back since. give Lamar a true number 1 and we can really see what he can do
@@deacon3276 I'm with you bro. I'm just saying his accuracy is the worst in the group,eye test, but he's still elite. I want my team to get him. Don't have to argue w me🤣
@@michaeldonnelly7256 oh for sure I want my team the commanders to get him as well 😂 we have the weapons I just wanna qb and I believe Lamar would be great wherever he goes
So, Skip and other people going to forget about Patrick Mahomes first 3 years. This is the prime example of being stuck in the moment. Smh Patrick won an MVP, Superbowl, and Superbowl MVP in 2 years.
And destroyed in his next superbowl. Dont forget that. Seems like Mahomes fans (don't know if you are or not) but yea he is a great QB i enjoy watching him. And I hate the Chiefs!!! And Cowboys.. but Mahomes can ball!!:💪🏾. I can't hate on talent
@@FaceFamous mahomes scrambled for over 1,000 yards in the super bowl when he got beat by brady. the o line was non existent & look at the numbers nobody was catching the ball. nobody was helping him. he can’t throw it & catch it but go off
I would take Mahomes first. Followed closely by Burrow, then Allen. Allen needs to at least make the SB this year to elevate him. There are no excuses left for him. He has talent all around him.
@@mtf88 that’s not what injured him idiot lol him running compared to him throwing the ball is completely different you obviously never played football
Keenan Allen played 16 games last year and 14 the year before. Mike Williams played 16 last year and 15 the year before. Herbert still didn’t make the playoffs…
Well yes but also you have to consider the fact that the chargers suffered from that significantly record wise. You take mahomes best weapon from him and he finishes (likely) 14-3 the next season.
If mahomes faced a defense like the chiefs he would b really unstoppable but he has to face every top defense every year and still put up bigger numbers
The one with about to be 2 MVPs A Superbowl MVP 2 AFC titles 4 straight home AFC Championship games 5 straight division titles And a 62-16 career record
Lamar? You mean Lamar, Jackson? The Lamar Jackson that plays for Baltimore? That Lamar Jackson? Look, brother I realize marijuana is legal where you live, but that doesn’t mean you should use it. Lamar Jackson is not even in the top five.
Look at the schedule that the Chiefs have been playing versus the schedule Burrow and the Bengals have had. Burrow had played tougher teams and better defenses than the Chiefs and Mahomes has had the chance to have the Texans, Jaguars, Cardinals, Colts, Rams, and 2 games against the Raiders, Broncos, and Seattle. Weigh the stats against the defenses and teams and Mahomes stat advantage doesn't look so tough or large enough to justify the hype. Patrick Mahomes is a awesome quarterback no doubt but Burrow is playing MVP caliber football and playing the leagues divisional leaders every week and even touched up the Chiefs and outplayed Mahomes for the third time in 2022.
The Broncos have had a top 5 defense all year. Bucs had a top 10 defense. 49ers had the #1 defense in the league and Mahomes put 44 on them. Chiefs have also faced all the AFC division leaders, plus the 49ers, plus the Chargers are a playoff team and got swept. Plus the Jags are in the hunt and the Chiefs handled them too. Mahomes has better numbers than Burrow and more wins without Tyreek Hill and without a good defense. The MVP race is not even close at this point.
Out of these 4 it has to be the dude who won a Super Bowl first, then the dude who lost a Super Bowl, then the dude that played in the playoffs, then the dude just making the playoffs. Mahomes burrow Allen Herbert.
Jalen “let me claim an injury now so when I choke in the playoffs I got something to blame” hurts? And Lamar “I’m the best throwing mediocre running back” Jackson? No thank you. I’m sorry but as far as winning a Super Bowl is concerned, mahomes is about as mobile as you should be in the modern nfl and he’s still 2 rings behind Steve young. Everyone should go back to studying Brady/manning/Montana/aikman or even Bradshaw.
This idea that Burrow is a "safer" player than Mahomes is a weird one. This season Burrow Picks: 12 Mahomes: 11 Burrows interceptions for his career in nearly 3 seasons and 41 games total played: 31 interceptions Patrick Mahomes in 50 games played in the last 3 seasons: 30 interceptions So I don't get it. Mahomes has played 9 more games and has 1 less interception but somehow Burrow is seen as less of a gunslinger than Mahomes?
Joe Burrow has Mixon, Chase, Boyd, and Higgins. Mahomes has Kelce and a bunch of other guys. To me, it’s Mahomes. Burrow is coming, but he has to win an MVP with all those damn weapons before we crown him.
Mahomes is in the #1 spot and it’s not an argument. The numbers alone prove it. This season and over the course of the last 2 seasons. Mahomes has also been the only constant in any MVP conversation since he’s become a starter. None of the other 3 guys can say that. The list of reasons is truly too long to explain why Mahomes is above the other 3. The other 3 guys are incredible and I really don’t wanna take anything away from them, but the only answer to this question is Patrick Mahomes
Very true. But be real, it’s Mahomes through and through. Burrow isn’t throwing to Juju and Christian Watson. Kelce is only one guy. Higgins and Boyd are both two of the best #2 receivers in the league. Pair Mahomes with Higgins and Boyd and he’d have 5500 yards by week 12
Not really he was alr without him because he still had Higgins who is a wr1 any where else he goes. So like Burrow has all the weapons in the world. Take chase and Higgins away than we'll see if Burrow is elite or not, but as long as one of them is playing he'll be looking like an mvp
he still had higgins who is a WR1 on most teams, he has the best trio of weapons in the league, with a top 10 RB, he’s still an elite QB to me, but i feel people forget the weapons he has, they wanna trash hurts for his weapons, but forget burrow’s weapons r better than his
Burrow has more INTs and turnovers with a way better roster(pff highest rated WR Corp) but he’s soooo smart and capable. What a joke sports media is. This is what they did to Brady his whole time. He’s just a system QB, best coach of all time, best overall defenses in playoff history, dink and dunk king. Rodgers is better and new dynasty. Manning is the real goat. Etc. People hate when someone sits on top too long that’s just how it is we hate people to good for too long.
Lamar is a good QB but doesn’t belong in that convo. I’d put Allen, Burrow, and Herbert in that order. Lamar is in the tier of Trevor, Aaron, Brady, Tua, and Hurts. Lamar isn’t top 10 for me
@@zahslu7748 he’s definitely buggin with that statement, but Mahome’s is in fact one of the most impressive and accomplished QB we have seen since Rodgers and Brady
Think about this Tyler boyd would probably be the best receiver on the chiefs. Give Mahomes the established weapons that burrow has and he’d run the league (he already does)
@@howtocookwithme2985 why not? The Bengals? Wait til the playoffs this season and we will see if Bengals are still this chosen team, when is the last time a super bowl loser made it back the very next season? It won't be this season either
I have to agree with Shannon on this one. Mahomes is definitely the best and I don’t think it’s close. Sometimes I wonder if Skip even watches football!!
Skip loves to bring up how Mahomes lost to Indy on a pick, but not the fact that if it weren't for un unsportsmanlike penalty on the Chiefs defense after a sack, the game was basically over. They'd have gotten the ball back with a lead and I forget how much time but probably could've salted most of it away, then put the pressure back in Indy.
4 years 4 title games 😂 yet burrow beating him once means burrow is better. Mahomes already has 2 super bowl appearances, i think number 3 is coming in 2023
Skip would argue $40 carries more value than $50 because it is two 20 dollar bills and is therfore greater than a singular 50 dollar bill. Segments like this are pointless and boring. Mahomes is ahead of every other QB. It isn't debatable, at all. Not in any sense. Might as well tell me Clowney is a better DE than Aaron Donald
Let’s talk mental and physical toughness. Mahomes had a come of of 24 down. Then one of 10 down in AFC championship game vs titans. And then a 10 point comeback in the superbowl to win by 11 in 8 minutes. That is mental toughness not to mention his knee cap was dislocated and he came back after 2 game that is physical. Toughness.
Its a year after this nonsensical video. Mahomes proved again, he is by himself. No one else is even in the same stadium or parking lot of the stadium as Mahomes. When it matters, when it counts, when the money is on the line, Mahomes delivers. Two consecutive Super bowls and going for number three.
Mahomes have real competition now to challenge him its not as easy as it was for him 4 years ago since his ascendance into becoming a QB phenom. His first 3 seasons as a starter his arch nemis had been TB12. Now its Burrow, Allen, Herbert, Lamar and Hurts.
Mahomes is destined for GREATNESS, he's the youngest QB to lead all passing stats in his first 5 seasons he's been starting so far, it's like he's breaking a record every other week and plus he beat some really good teams in the playoffs he just made it look easy and if he retired after this season he'd be a LOCK IN for 1st Ballot Hall of Famer
@@sirhoopalot1125 Josh Allen doesn't even have a single afc title game appearance, same with Herbert, while pat is playing to host a 5th straight afc title game,which has never been done. Now imagine if Josh Allen had pats resume and pat had Allen's resume, you would never even hear pat as a top 10 qb and Allen would be called better than Brady
"When he was in Philly, he had a lot of good players he had a Jeremy Maclin, T.O., he had DJax, he had Brian Westbrook out the backfield, he had Donovan it didn't look like this"
@@bcornel5923 you're missing the point. Tired or not, Bills had a better defense than the Chiefs. Bengals have had a better defense than the Chiefs. So in these QB vs QB talking points, Mahomes has always faced the better defense....vs Allen, vs Burrow, vs Lamar, vs Brady, vs 49ers QB....throughout his whole career
If it’s a hoarders home yeah you’d have a case but a man’s papers on a desk like they have? No, you’re looking for any small reason, you’re wrong bro lol
Recency bias has ppl shook on Patrick MaHolmes like we haven’t seen Aaron Rodgers wasn’t around the last ten years. Besides MaHomes has his Brett Favre tendencies in games. If he would have checked it down against the Bengals a few times instead of the home run ball they would have won that game.
Skip is absolutely right on his assessment of Burrow give it time he's going to prove to everybody he's one of the best if not the best. He doesn't have to rely on a cannon for an arm or a great ability to scramble and leap over people or to throw across his body side arm and do crazy stuff. He just drops back and carves up your defense.
Patrick Mahomes is overrated, he has had one of if not the best TE for his entire career up to this point and has had an amazing receiving core that perfectly fits his throwing ability that makes it almost impossible to defend. Now I’m not saying he isn’t good but he isn’t AS good as people say. We have to be more strict on him and his mistakes (People like to skim over his horrible mistakes) It’s not his fault that he has had this help over his career up to this point but he needs to be evaluated stricter than others, I also think Jalen hurts needs to have the same treatment.
It seems like pass catching players never get their flowers in the mvp race since when people look at yards and receptions, you always link thr QB to the receivers. Kelce is just suffering from the fact his position isn't as vital as Pat's. I agree with u that position for position, Kelce is as good as anyone in the league this year and has been for years now !
@@blick5511 considering that he is both the best catching and blocking TE in the league and you’d be hard pressed to argue for a better catching TE all time… I think the burden of proof is on someone arguing that Maholmes and that offense does anything without him.
@@iamtheoysterking blocking TE ? Kelce isn't really a blocker, and as far as blocking TEs, Kittle is in a league of his own rn. Reception wise tho you're a 100% right !
Joe burrow his schedule with the level of adversity he faced, missing half his offensive starters and the appendix surgery. 0-2 start to 11-4 with 4260 yards.
Haha that's weak compared to Herbert, he's faced fractured ribs, literally his whole offense being out most of the year, his oc being horrible as always, and has been able to lead his team to the playoffs. Burrow still had Higgins and Boyd, and Mixon, and his o line has been playing really good, not to mention bengals defense has been top 10 thos year.
@israelp348 Smfh mahomes has a good tight end that’s it no elite running bck like mixon Nd bengals have 3 possible pro bowl wide outs mahomes nun Nd bengals D is better then the chiefs mahomes is working with nothing but one weapon Nd is still in the MVP convo Nd his team has only loss 3 games come on YALL don’t know football
And Mahomes could win another MVP, another Superbowl, and another Superbowl MVP this year and people will still claim that Burrow is "on the same level or tier" as Mahomes
@@blick5511 hard to argue he isn't on the same tier both in their first full seasons went to the superbowl with suspect defenses and burrow outplayed him on his way there. Mahomes definitely has the edge with arm talent but Burrow is clearly special.
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What's Wright with nick wrong lol 😆
Right now yea maholmes but long term best for the future is burrow
And 2nd reason I'm going burrow maholmes is 0-4 against burrow
Lamar can’t pass like these guys. He’s dynamic in every other facet of the game.
Shannon speaks facts 💯! Old lady Skippy is nothing but a clown 🤡! He thinks people really care what his opinion is and only like to hear himself talk!
Mahomes is the only qb i know that isn’t allowed to make a single mistake all year or else he’s not the best
Thats cause these clowns have set his expectations too high. He’s very good but not God.
BIG FACTS
They clowns.
Reminder that Mahomes is the only QB that you can lose to but still get praised for almost beating.
@@MyVisualRomance EXACTLY ‼️
skips hate for Mahomes is crazy 😐
@armandolerma5452 Can you imagine how much the hate would be if KC beat Dallas in the Super Bowl?
It's pathetic at this point. He needs to be replaced
I think he's just trolling. It wouldn't be interesting if both of them agreed on the same topic. He hates on a lot of top athletes that shannon and the fans know are really good players.
Skip knows lebron is near the end so Mahomes is taking his place for skip and his non sense
And yet, he'll defend Brady, and say if they happen to reach the playoffs with 7 wins, teams should fear Brady. No team fears Brady anymore they do fear Mahomes, Allen, hurts, when healthy, possibly Rodgers could still be in that mix as well.
Mahomes could cure cancer and skip would still hate on him. Skip is one of these people that will hate on you no matter what you accomplish in life.
Yea🤣🤣Skip might say he shoulda cure Alzheimers too
Lamar Jackson has done more with Less. Never had a #1 WR and won a Unanimous MVP, Won a Playoff Game, and is the 3rd Winningest QB currently in the NFL behind Mahomes and Brady. The fact that he gets glossed over in these conversations is embarrassing and foul.
I think they are only talking about the qb’s that have a playoff spot . If the ravens have one then I think it’s because he’s not an MVP candidate this year .
He's been hurt this year, So was Herbert but he played through it.
@ajthecipher1588 Ravens Clinched a Playoff Berth already. The Media has been fawning over the other QBs and forget the only one who even is a potential threat to Mahomes, if he were able to win a SB (easier said than done).
Lamar has been mediocre this year he is not MVP worthy this year
Until Jackson shows he is a pocket passer, nobody cares. He is a running back that is seemingly hurt now every season.
Mahomes is 1 but that number 2 debate is very interesting I lean towards Allen
Gimme Lamar at 2, Allen at 3, Burrow at 4, Herbert at 5.
Jalen Hurts for My Eagles at 6
@@thomassankara1391 lamar has been injured 2 years in a row. Has had 2 down years in a row.
I like Burrow over Allen. But both are elite
@sindilacion Josh Allen has also had 2 down years in a row. Nobody cares. Lamar gets Trevor Lawrence and Josh Allen in the Playoffs. Josh Allen is horrible against the Ravens defense. BAL will play KC in the AFCCG
@@thomassankara1391 lmao, ravens won’t even get past the 1st round. Bengals vs bills in afc championship.
Skip when Brady throws 3 picks and wins 17-16: "Did you see the goat of goats on that game-winning drive?!"
Skip when Mahomes throws 1 pick and wins 42-35: "...but he threw a pick..."
Honestly I hate pundits hitching wagons in any capacity. You can’t deny Shannon Sharpe didn’t decide last year that Maholmes was the MVP this year
@@iamtheoysterking naa you can’t put that label on Shannon. I hate it too but Shannon changes his mind with new info as an analyst should. He was saying it was Josh Allen through the 1st 6/7 weeks… then switched back to Mahomes then he said jalen hurts took the lead and now that he’s injured he’s back on Mahomes and I think that analysis is correct. Hitching your wagon is fine as long as you’re willing to admit you were wrong and that is where he differs from people like Skip.
The Favoritism be Real
@@xmusic1576 Shannon picked mahomes to win it before the season??
@@Twirlingz because they make predictions lol who cares about predictions.. the point is wether or not he’s objective enough to stray away from it and all year he has.. right now he’s saying it’s Mahomes but is it not? Lol 6 weeks in he said it was Josh Allen and 2 weeks ago he said it was jalen hurts.. he’s been objective all year
Shannon talking facts and Skip making excuses for Burrow and other QB's
Facts
Yea but the Bengals did have a way tougher schedule this year and they have almost beat every team in the afc hunt. I think mahomes burrow and Allen are #1 in their own respective categories in how they play their game. Mahomes is #1 for now, but I think in the near future the tides are going to turn. Just an opinion
Talking about “eye test”
Skip has to play contrarian
Like what he Usually Does
Skip doesn’t even believe his own argument.
It’s a tv character he plays.
Fax
Well yes, did you think these guys actually held all these opinions, which just happen to be diametrically opposed on every issue? Lol, they don't script these shows in a literal sense, but they certainly guide and control what is said.
Once I heard joe burrow I just clicked off the vid
😂 I can’t believe skip even tries to say burrow is way better than maholmes
Josh Allen beast
Joe burrow great QB
Lamar incredible talent
Mahomes once In a lifetime football player
Mahomes its not even a damn question and wont be for at least 6-7 years now 2-5 thats a real discussion
Lol. Burrow has hurt a lot of fanbases egos since he came into the league. I think people were ready for Mahomes to be the king for decades and all the sudden, there is a better, smarter QB in the league in Burrow.
@brianhartman7135 Lmao smarter better not even close burrow has 3 possible pro bowl wide outs if not they could be number 1s or twos on every team in the nfl mahomes is way better Nd that is a fact
@@brianhartman7135 Chiefs have lost every game due to a missed field goal. Go back and check each game I’m not wrong. If those field goals aren’t missed Patrick Mahomes leads the chiefs to an undefeated season
@@matthewgulley9725 This is pretty clearly not a fact, but it's not an unreasonable opinion either.
But I'm not sure on what planet the Bengals have 3 pro bowl receivers. Boyd has been in the league for 6 years, if he were a pro bowler he'd have made at least one pro bowl appearance in that time lol. Higgins is good and Chase is extremely good. But Burrow also has already shown he can do well without Chase, so the idea that he's relying on an insane receiving core to do well is pretty out-there. Burrow's good, and Mahomes is good, I don't think it's as clearcut as you make it out to be.
@@brianhartman7135 "better, smarter" LOL based on what? Please give some statistics? Do you have their college GPAs? Bro you just sound like a Bengals fanboy trying to crown a guy who has done it for 1-2 years. Dont get me wrong Burrow is a beast but he'd be the backup to Mahomes if they were on the same team and that's facts
I'm a Josh Allen homer and even i know its 100% Patrick mahomes and it's not even close.
On resume, I agree. On talent, they are all right there with each other.
@@travisblair3189they're all really close to one another (well except Burrow, he actually is more a Brady type where he's not a slinger but he just knows what to do at the right time), but Mahomes has the edge on throwing that no one has ever done. Rodgers included, and he was the most talented QB by far before Mahomes came in. But Patty actually has done something that I didn't know was possible
he actually has learned how to use the football like a baseball.
So his throws are actually unbelievable, because there is no WAY he should be able to do them. It should be impossible. But he does it, literally almost every week. This dude can't be touched.
It's definitely Mahomes but it's close. The line between QBs is so close in the NFL. It's that extra 1% that makes all the difference.
@@travisblair3189 on talent 😂 delusional at best. Let me know when Allen's talent turns into 50 touchdowns in a season
@@IsaacMSingleton1 let me know when mahomes has back to back seasons of 4000+ passing yards, 750+ rushing yards
Nobody has done it once other than allen
He’s done it back to back
“It’s Patrick Mahomes and then 2nd 3rd and 4th” I found that hilarious and I’m a chargers fan
Exactly ‼️
I'm a Bengals fan and I second this.
Uncle shay came with the receipts....skip came with feelings.
Until someone dethrones Mahomes and wins the Superbowl and MVP.... it's him. It's that simple. Burrow and Allen got great offensive weapons and can sling it. Now can they actually cash it in.... oh and the only reason why im not puttin Lamar in this discussion yet is cuz that Greg Norman offense leaves much to be desired. Those other guys are tryna get to what Mahomes has already achieved. It's that simple.
Mahomes has a top O line and a future hall of famer in Kelce and coach in Reid.. tf are you talking about
@@brianhartman7135 burrow has jamar chase, Nixon, and a top 10 defense.. u act like he playing with bums
@@brianhartman7135 and where did that get the Chiefs until Mahomes got there?
@@brianhartman7135 He also has a bottom 10 defense. Plus a top 10 wr like Chase is much more valuable than any TE could be. Chase has more ypg and about as many tds per game. They are practically equal in the receiving game. Plus for half of his carrer he has had a bad O-line and still played extremely well.
By this logic Mahomes has yet to dethrone Rodgers even (if considering the whole NFL). Let's just focus on now lol.
shannon talking that talk, people keep trying to make it a debate it’s just not mahomes on another level
Fr and I hate the chiefs
It is mahomes on another level 😂😂😂😂 it’s always mahomes vs the field
No have to disagree, Mahomes does not take over games without Tyreek. Allen is clearly the better athlete; bigger, faster, and a better arm than Mahomes. Arm talent is Allen, Herbert, Mahomes, old Aaron Rodgers, then everyone else.
@@bcornel5923 they only have 3 losses and he leads in everything half the time theres nun to take over 💀 its not close
@@bcornel5923 Allen don’t have a better arm than Mahomes
Why is it so hard for skip to give mahomes his props... Josh Allen too
Mahomes ok. Allen is rated appropriately by skip
Allen will NEVER get the respect from Skip because he's already out performed his boy Baker Mayfield. Allen has his team on top of the AFC Conference ( at this moment) and just broke Dan Marino's record for the most touchdowns in his first 5 years.
Josh Allen is insanely overrated
Checking in as a massive Chargers and Herbert fan: it's Mahomes and it's not even a discussion. He's in a tier on his own. It's just not fun to even discuss anymore, so talk shows keep having segments like these.
I truly believe Herbert is going to be the one to challenge him for the top spot (as I said; I'm a fan), but I'll only believe it when I see it.
Patrick is the only quarterback out of these choices with a MVP and Super Bowl MVP
HE CAN’T BEAT JOE.
Niners gave them that Super Bowl lmao Mahomes was terrible in that game.
0-3 against Joey b
@@rebeccalyle8443 Bengals have the way better roster talk about that
Facts!
Chiefs fan but I admire Burrow's cool head and toughness under duress. He is very accurate, even with pressures and sacks. Mahomes makes some unbelievable plays that only a few QBs can make. Mahomes and the offense need to be more consistent in playoff games. Sometimes the offense disappears for an entire half (AFCCG against the Patriots, SB against the Niners, against the Texans down 24-0, and against Cincy up big at halftime and basically nothing in the 2nd half. Bengals are the better overall team. Their defense is very good
If kelce doesn't fumble this year, chiefs win by 10
@@notthatguypal14 But he did and they lost!
@@notthatguypal14 I was referring to playoff games
Chiefs overrated af
@@Tuuufff yea the only team to host 4 straight title games and go to 2 super bowls in that time is overrated 😂
One thing for sure the afc has 4 of the 5 best qbs in the nfl.
5 out of 6… you gotta include Lamar
@@falcon0886eh not this year. Tua has been better
@@falcon0886 Why are you trying to include a running back??
Mahomes leads in every QB stat and is in the Championship game every year
Skip:Joe Burrow plays the position at a little higher of a level😂😂😂
First it was Lamar, then it was Allen, and now it’s Burrow 😂 literally since that first season in 2018 it’s been a race to find “the new Mahomes”
Lamar is the one guy who has the talent to match Mahomes but he doesn't have the organizational help around him. They completely wasted Lamar's rookie contract without giving him any weapons. If Lamar can escape and go to Miami he can legitimately challenge Mahomes.
I wonder who’s next because he clears everyone 😂 I wonder what he’s going to say when the chiefs somehow beat the eagles
That look on Shannon’s face at 2:40..🤣
Sharpe has facts and stats to backup his argument. Skip has nothing.
Never was Gronk mentioned this way when Brady was winning championships in NE. But Kelce is the greatest pass catching TE to discredit Mahomes. Also Burrow hasn’t won yet. Stop treating him like Brady.
What? Bruh everyone talked Gronk in NE, it was Brady+Gronk the same way it’s Mahomes+Kelce.
@@christianc487 naw Skip doesn’t EVERRRR mention Gronk
I agree that Burrow doesn't have enough of a resume to warrant this talk...you do see he has the character traits Brady has. In terms of his mental approach, work ethic, leadership, clutch, etc. They don't have similar playing styles, but I understand the comp in that respect
@@brooksorlando4881 same here. There’s something about burrow.
My personal favorite is the young Kurt Russell though.
@@Juntao1989 that's cause Brady won 4 without Gronkowski lol
Cant really go wrong with any of them but I'd definitely take Mahomes out of these guys
For sure I'm taking mahomes lol
Those other guys cant even compare to Mahomes
Patrick Mahomes after losing to Josh Allen:
Comp-Att: 237/351%: 67.5%
TD-INT: 20-7
Passer Rating: 104.46
Passing Yards: 2,984
Record: 8-1
Josh Allen since beating Patrick Mahomes:
Comp-Att: 180/337
Comp %: 53.4%
TD/INT: 15-9
Win Loss: 7-2
Passer Rating: 75.64
Mahomes is clearly the best but I also wanna add that Lamar belongs in this tier considering he does more with less and just finds ways to win
Lamar gets hurt because he's tge worst thrower of the football in the group, but he still gets it done. Would love to see my Patriots scoop him up
@@michaeldonnelly7256 he also has the worst weapons of the group look at what Philly did for hurts after saying he couldn’t throw consistently in the nfl. They gave him Devonta Smith in 2021 and aj brown in 2022 and now look at him. look what they did for Josh Allen after people were questioning his accuracy. They gave him Diggs in 2020 and he hasn’t looked back since. give Lamar a true number 1 and we can really see what he can do
@@deacon3276 I'm with you bro. I'm just saying his accuracy is the worst in the group,eye test, but he's still elite.
I want my team to get him. Don't have to argue w me🤣
Leaving out Lamar (and Lawrence honestly) is a mistake
@@michaeldonnelly7256 oh for sure I want my team the commanders to get him as well 😂 we have the weapons I just wanna qb and I believe Lamar would be great wherever he goes
So, Skip and other people going to forget about Patrick Mahomes first 3 years. This is the prime example of being stuck in the moment. Smh Patrick won an MVP, Superbowl, and Superbowl MVP in 2 years.
And destroyed in his next superbowl. Dont forget that. Seems like Mahomes fans (don't know if you are or not) but yea he is a great QB i enjoy watching him. And I hate the Chiefs!!! And Cowboys.. but Mahomes can ball!!:💪🏾. I can't hate on talent
5k yards 50 tds simple as that in his first year as a starter
@@Chris-ux5nl Pat Mahomes bout to win his 2nd MVP
@@FaceFamous mahomes scrambled for over 1,000 yards in the super bowl when he got beat by brady. the o line was non existent & look at the numbers nobody was catching the ball. nobody was helping him. he can’t throw it & catch it but go off
Skip definitely loves to play the villain in these debates
Mahomes MVP
I would take Mahomes first. Followed closely by Burrow, then Allen. Allen needs to at least make the SB this year to elevate him. There are no excuses left for him. He has talent all around him.
Allen is playing injured tho
@@smokedogggg8374that there would be an excuse. A lot of players playing hurt this time of year.
@@smokedogggg8374 The injury has not hampered him. We are talking playoff football here.
@Smoke Dogggg he's still running trying to truck and hurdle people, so that argument is kind of dead imo
@@mtf88 that’s not what injured him idiot lol him running compared to him throwing the ball is completely different you obviously never played football
Notice how he couldn’t say “Take Keenan Allen or Mike Williams from Herbert” because guess what 😱? That’s been the story for him all season
EXACTLY‼️ Justin Herbert has been nothing short of impressive.
Keenan Allen played 16 games last year and 14 the year before.
Mike Williams played 16 last year and 15 the year before.
Herbert still didn’t make the playoffs…
With him y’all still lose make the playoffs then talk
Well yes but also you have to consider the fact that the chargers suffered from that significantly record wise. You take mahomes best weapon from him and he finishes (likely) 14-3 the next season.
@@Dankilicious123 Still 14-3 would likely be good enough for a top 2 seed in the AFC and another AFC west title
If mahomes faced a defense like the chiefs he would b really unstoppable but he has to face every top defense every year and still put up bigger numbers
The one with about to be
2 MVPs
A Superbowl MVP
2 AFC titles
4 straight home AFC Championship games
5 straight division titles
And a 62-16 career record
1. Mahomes
2. Lamar
3. Allen
4. Herbert
5. Burrow
Lamar? You mean Lamar, Jackson? The Lamar Jackson that plays for Baltimore? That Lamar Jackson? Look, brother I realize marijuana is legal where you live, but that doesn’t mean you should use it. Lamar Jackson is not even in the top five.
Joe Burrow
Burrow (BIG weapons): Chase, Higgins, Boyd, Mixon
Mahomes (BIG weapons): Kelce, Juju, Pacheco
It's Mahomes, and it's not close
Like I been saying Patrick Mahomes is The Steph Curry of the NFL
Nah mahomes is lebron
Look at the schedule that the Chiefs have been playing versus the schedule Burrow and the Bengals have had. Burrow had played tougher teams and better defenses than the Chiefs and Mahomes has had the chance to have the Texans, Jaguars, Cardinals, Colts, Rams, and 2 games against the Raiders, Broncos, and Seattle. Weigh the stats against the defenses and teams and Mahomes stat advantage doesn't look so tough or large enough to justify the hype. Patrick Mahomes is a awesome quarterback no doubt but Burrow is playing MVP caliber football and playing the leagues divisional leaders every week and even touched up the Chiefs and outplayed Mahomes for the third time in 2022.
The Broncos have had a top 5 defense all year. Bucs had a top 10 defense. 49ers had the #1 defense in the league and Mahomes put 44 on them. Chiefs have also faced all the AFC division leaders, plus the 49ers, plus the Chargers are a playoff team and got swept. Plus the Jags are in the hunt and the Chiefs handled them too. Mahomes has better numbers than Burrow and more wins without Tyreek Hill and without a good defense. The MVP race is not even close at this point.
Out of these 4 it has to be the dude who won a Super Bowl first, then the dude who lost a Super Bowl, then the dude that played in the playoffs, then the dude just making the playoffs. Mahomes burrow Allen Herbert.
Herbert not above Lamar or Hurts. Stop it
@@thejuniors5345 he definitely is
Jalen “let me claim an injury now so when I choke in the playoffs I got something to blame” hurts?
And
Lamar “I’m the best throwing mediocre running back” Jackson?
No thank you.
I’m sorry but as far as winning a Super Bowl is concerned, mahomes is about as mobile as you should be in the modern nfl and he’s still 2 rings behind Steve young. Everyone should go back to studying Brady/manning/Montana/aikman or even Bradshaw.
This idea that Burrow is a "safer" player than Mahomes is a weird one.
This season Burrow Picks: 12
Mahomes: 11
Burrows interceptions for his career in nearly 3 seasons and 41 games total played: 31 interceptions
Patrick Mahomes in 50 games played in the last 3 seasons: 30 interceptions
So I don't get it. Mahomes has played 9 more games and has 1 less interception but somehow Burrow is seen as less of a gunslinger than Mahomes?
I’m in awe of the straight face skip had for his whole take 🤣
Skip: “He didn’t have jamar for 3 games”
Shannon: “We ain’t had tyreek all year.”
Mahomes has been the best QB in the NFL since 2018, end of discussion.
Rodgers was the best QB 20 and 21
@@DeportillegalAliens he was a glorified Alex Smith that stat padded with 1 yard TD passes, stop.
Brady has more rings in that time🤷🏼♂️
@@zahslu7748 team game. Better defense
@@DeportillegalAliens no Mahomes is elite in the playoffs as well
Mahomes then my LSU boi Burrow.. 1 and 2 in my eyes
Joe Burrow has Mixon, Chase, Boyd, and Higgins.
Mahomes has Kelce and a bunch of other guys.
To me, it’s Mahomes. Burrow is coming, but he has to win an MVP with all those damn weapons before we crown him.
I think burrows weapons are a little overrated
1 Mahomes
2 Josh allen
3 joe burrow
4 Lamar Jackson
5 herbert
Chargers fan since I started watching football when I was 9 years old this ain't a question ... Mahomes
I don’t think that, “well, Burrow takes more sacks than Mahomes, so that’s why he is better” is a valid argument Skippie.
Mahomes is in the #1 spot and it’s not an argument. The numbers alone prove it. This season and over the course of the last 2 seasons. Mahomes has also been the only constant in any MVP conversation since he’s become a starter. None of the other 3 guys can say that. The list of reasons is truly too long to explain why Mahomes is above the other 3. The other 3 guys are incredible and I really don’t wanna take anything away from them, but the only answer to this question is Patrick Mahomes
"Take Ja'Marr Chase away"
They did. When he was injured earlier this season. Yet Burrow and the Bengals still played really good.
Higgins imo is a top 10 WR very underrated and Boyd is top 5 slot WR so he’s has 3 top 25 WRs and Joe Mixon
Naaa they got blown out by the browns without chase on prime time
Very true. But be real, it’s Mahomes through and through. Burrow isn’t throwing to Juju and Christian Watson. Kelce is only one guy. Higgins and Boyd are both two of the best #2 receivers in the league. Pair Mahomes with Higgins and Boyd and he’d have 5500 yards by week 12
@@kelpshake8217 boyed isn't even top 10
Against Cooper Rush?? How’d he do? 😂😂😂😂
Whatever skip is on! I need that in my life!
Burrow was still throwing Parties without Chase💀
Not really he was alr without him because he still had Higgins who is a wr1 any where else he goes. So like Burrow has all the weapons in the world. Take chase and Higgins away than we'll see if Burrow is elite or not, but as long as one of them is playing he'll be looking like an mvp
he still had higgins who is a WR1 on most teams, he has the best trio of weapons in the league, with a top 10 RB, he’s still an elite QB to me, but i feel people forget the weapons he has, they wanna trash hurts for his weapons, but forget burrow’s weapons r better than his
Lollll almost lost to the patriots
Higgins is a number 1 at 75% of teams currently in the NFL the guy is *legit*
Higgins at KC would easily be the number 1 WR and number 2 only to Kelce
@@joset9240 Burrow has made Trenton Irwin and Mitchell Wilcox look like pro bowlers. Actually watch Bengals games before you post this nonsense.
Burrow has more INTs and turnovers with a way better roster(pff highest rated WR Corp) but he’s soooo smart and capable. What a joke sports media is. This is what they did to Brady his whole time. He’s just a system QB, best coach of all time, best overall defenses in playoff history, dink and dunk king. Rodgers is better and new dynasty. Manning is the real goat. Etc.
People hate when someone sits on top too long that’s just how it is we hate people to good for too long.
Mahomes is the clear cut #1, but #2 Is Between Lamar, Allen, Burrow, and Herbert is behind all those guys.
Lamar sucks
Lamar?😂😂 2 down years in a row with injuries.
All 32 teams would rather have Herbert than lamar lmao
Lamar isn’t 2 joe borrow is literally better with a worse team lmao
Lamar is a good QB but doesn’t belong in that convo. I’d put Allen, Burrow, and Herbert in that order. Lamar is in the tier of Trevor, Aaron, Brady, Tua, and Hurts. Lamar isn’t top 10 for me
Jamarr missed 4 games. There wasn’t a single bit of drop off. With burrow.
If Burrow and Mahomes were on the same team, Burrow would be the best backup in the league.
😂😂😂😂😂
Burrow would demand a trade since he was a portal guy in college
What is he talking about Burrow played without chase for like 6 weeks and went 5-1 and go Check his numbers without chase so what is he talking bout ?
Mahomes is the answer and he is not even close. Skip is on something. What Mahomeboy is doing without Hill seals the deal. Best qb ever
Word, EVERYBODY is quiet and forgot they were saying Mahome’s was going to fall off without Hill. The man continues being legendary and now not a word
@@UpNorthCatsFan Facts
Best ever?
@@zahslu7748 he’s definitely buggin with that statement, but Mahome’s is in fact one of the most impressive and accomplished QB we have seen since Rodgers and Brady
@@zahslu7748 he might be. Has all the traits Brady has plus better physical skillset
Skip Bayless is still holding out for that Great White Hope!
Think about this Tyler boyd would probably be the best receiver on the chiefs. Give Mahomes the established weapons that burrow has and he’d run the league (he already does)
Put mahomes in the AFC North and he would never be a 1st seed again.
@@howtocookwithme2985 why not? The Bengals? Wait til the playoffs this season and we will see if Bengals are still this chosen team, when is the last time a super bowl loser made it back the very next season? It won't be this season either
@@howtocookwithme2985 ok they were the 2 seed last year lol
Bengals all the way but skip is so delusional Patrick is by far the best qb in the league
I have to agree with Shannon on this one. Mahomes is definitely the best and I don’t think it’s close. Sometimes I wonder if Skip even watches football!!
Joe Burrow has me dead!!! It’s Patrick Mahomes all freaking day!! No one comes close!! 😂😂😂
Someone needs to tell Shannon that Patrick is already in a committed relationship with Nick, Wright.
Someone needs to tell Skip that Mahomes isn’t #2 and he’s gotta stop hating. Obviously number 1
😂😂😂😂😂😂
nick won't mind lol
Skip loves to bring up how Mahomes lost to Indy on a pick, but not the fact that if it weren't for un unsportsmanlike penalty on the Chiefs defense after a sack, the game was basically over. They'd have gotten the ball back with a lead and I forget how much time but probably could've salted most of it away, then put the pressure back in Indy.
Plus that game was a special teams disaster
I don’t trust Mahomes in the playoffs? 😂😂😂 Patrick could end this season with more payoff wins than Brees, Aikman, and Warner. In year 5 as a starter.
4 years 4 title games 😂 yet burrow beating him once means burrow is better. Mahomes already has 2 super bowl appearances, i think number 3 is coming in 2023
Oh man Burrow led the league in sacks!!! Give him the MVP!!And Burrow also has more turnovers then Mahomes!! Ohhhh man give him the MVP!!
Skip would argue $40 carries more value than $50 because it is two 20 dollar bills and is therfore greater than a singular 50 dollar bill.
Segments like this are pointless and boring. Mahomes is ahead of every other QB. It isn't debatable, at all. Not in any sense. Might as well tell me Clowney is a better DE than Aaron Donald
Mahomes is first then everyone else
No disrespect skip my boy joe burrow isn’t anything close to Patrick and josh yet.
Mahomes, Josh, Borrow etc.
@Howard Bueker wouldn’t disagree! I’d take any 3 of those great QB here in Pittsburgh! Lol
Nobody ever brings up the fact that every post season loss besides the Tampa conundrum was loss in overtime
"It's Patrick Mahomes then it's 2nd, 3rd and 4th and whoever you wanna put 2nd, 3rd and 4th"
Let’s talk mental and physical toughness. Mahomes had a come of of 24 down. Then one of 10 down in AFC championship game vs titans. And then a 10 point comeback in the superbowl to win by 11 in 8 minutes. That is mental toughness not to mention his knee cap was dislocated and he came back after 2 game that is physical. Toughness.
I wish we could see all four quarterbacks on the field in the playoffs.
We probably will, Mahomes and Allen already clinched, Burrow is almost there and Herbert is on a hot streak right now
@@Phenomiracle Burrow clinched last week.
Its a year after this nonsensical video. Mahomes proved again, he is by himself. No one else is even in the same stadium or parking lot of the stadium as Mahomes. When it matters, when it counts, when the money is on the line, Mahomes delivers. Two consecutive Super bowls and going for number three.
Mahomes have real competition now to challenge him its not as easy as it was for him 4 years ago since his ascendance into becoming a QB phenom. His first 3 seasons as a starter his arch nemis had been TB12. Now its Burrow, Allen, Herbert, Lamar and Hurts.
He already delivered, everyone is playing catch up. He’s the youngest sb mvp those other guys are too old
It’s easier when your on your rookie deal only difference is mahaomes capitalized will they?
Mahomes is destined for GREATNESS, he's the youngest QB to lead all passing stats in his first 5 seasons he's been starting so far, it's like he's breaking a record every other week and plus he beat some really good teams in the playoffs he just made it look easy and if he retired after this season he'd be a LOCK IN for 1st Ballot Hall of Famer
Aaron Rodgers, too. Aaron Rodgers numbers were identical to Mahomes in that 3 Year Stretch.
@@sirhoopalot1125 Josh Allen doesn't even have a single afc title game appearance, same with Herbert, while pat is playing to host a 5th straight afc title game,which has never been done. Now imagine if Josh Allen had pats resume and pat had Allen's resume, you would never even hear pat as a top 10 qb and Allen would be called better than Brady
"When he was in Philly, he had a lot of good players he had a Jeremy Maclin, T.O., he had DJax, he had Brian Westbrook out the backfield, he had Donovan it didn't look like this"
Joe Burrow has not outplayed Patrick Mahomes. He outplayed the Chiefs defense. Last I checked, Patrick Mahomes does not play defense.
this.
So why do we care about some of Brady’s rings. He got carried for plenty of them
One could say that about Mahomes. He did not beat Allen in the playoffs, he beat a tired Bills defense with the fastest receiver in football.
@@bcornel5923 yes, I could be a hypocrite
The point is that I'm not
@@bcornel5923 you're missing the point. Tired or not, Bills had a better defense than the Chiefs. Bengals have had a better defense than the Chiefs. So in these QB vs QB talking points, Mahomes has always faced the better defense....vs Allen, vs Burrow, vs Lamar, vs Brady, vs 49ers QB....throughout his whole career
That stat about the 4500 yard seasons is crazy lol
I just noticed this, look how organized Shannon is compared to skip, I think you could use it as symbolism of skips mental state.
If it’s a hoarders home yeah you’d have a case but a man’s papers on a desk like they have? No, you’re looking for any small reason, you’re wrong bro lol
Being ‘disorganized’ at that level means absolutely nothing lol
Recency bias has ppl shook on Patrick MaHolmes like we haven’t seen Aaron Rodgers wasn’t around the last ten years. Besides MaHomes has his Brett Favre tendencies in games. If he would have checked it down against the Bengals a few times instead of the home run ball they would have won that game.
JUSTIN HERBERT
HIMBERT
Absolutely not
Getting sacked should not be counted in Borrow's favor. If you have to go there you need to rethink your conclusions.
Skip is so high on Brady to the point he plays it two ways if Brady plays bad he's 45 with no help but if he wins he's the gold standard
People don’t talk about Kansas City and their coaching. Give Burrow Andy Reid and you’ll see some insane wild pass numbers also
Mahomes won the sb at 24 years old, youngest sb mvp, everyone else is too old for that award 😐
He won with Tyreke Hill
Actually the youngest SB MVP is Brady IIRC
Mahomes should be number 2 and 3rd youngest QB to a win a SB after Brady and Big Ben
@@samuelmorse784 yet the chiefs are still playing outstanding without him this year.
@@Lakeshow11 they won't get to Super Bowl tho
Skip is absolutely right on his assessment of Burrow give it time he's going to prove to everybody he's one of the best if not the best. He doesn't have to rely on a cannon for an arm or a great ability to scramble and leap over people or to throw across his body side arm and do crazy stuff. He just drops back and carves up your defense.
Allen puts the bills on his back quite literally, hard to say he isn’t 2nd. Also has to do with WR with the most drops and that’s not Allen’s fault
Patrick Mahomes is overrated, he has had one of if not the best TE for his entire career up to this point and has had an amazing receiving core that perfectly fits his throwing ability that makes it almost impossible to defend. Now I’m not saying he isn’t good but he isn’t AS good as people say. We have to be more strict on him and his mistakes (People like to skim over his horrible mistakes) It’s not his fault that he has had this help over his career up to this point but he needs to be evaluated stricter than others, I also think Jalen hurts needs to have the same treatment.
Kelce deserves league MVP. But it doesn’t matter, give it to Maholmes.
MVP usually doesn’t win the SB anyways.
It seems like pass catching players never get their flowers in the mvp race since when people look at yards and receptions, you always link thr QB to the receivers. Kelce is just suffering from the fact his position isn't as vital as Pat's. I agree with u that position for position, Kelce is as good as anyone in the league this year and has been for years now !
Please explain how Kelce would deserve MVP over Mahomes
@@Sam-db9uf he is THE best TE of all time. He is better at TE than Maholmes is at QB and that is saying something.
@@blick5511 considering that he is both the best catching and blocking TE in the league and you’d be hard pressed to argue for a better catching TE all time… I think the burden of proof is on someone arguing that Maholmes and that offense does anything without him.
@@iamtheoysterking blocking TE ? Kelce isn't really a blocker, and as far as blocking TEs, Kittle is in a league of his own rn. Reception wise tho you're a 100% right !
I think the title of this vid is the correct order.
Mahomes, Herbert, Burrow, Allen
Lol. Nobody on the planet believes this.
@@brianhartman7135 Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Herbert
Mahomes 4 straight AFC Championship games. Joe burrow 1 ? Lol this is crazy
Joe burrow his schedule with the level of adversity he faced, missing half his offensive starters and the appendix surgery. 0-2 start to 11-4 with 4260 yards.
Haha that's weak compared to Herbert, he's faced fractured ribs, literally his whole offense being out most of the year, his oc being horrible as always, and has been able to lead his team to the playoffs. Burrow still had Higgins and Boyd, and Mixon, and his o line has been playing really good, not to mention bengals defense has been top 10 thos year.
Give mahomes the team burrow has I bet he would win 3 Super Bowls in a row
Well Mahomes #1 but for the #2 qb its Burrow
@@sabastianturner1563 As if the team Mahomes has isn't enough already?
@israelp348 Smfh mahomes has a good tight end that’s it no elite running bck like mixon Nd bengals have 3 possible pro bowl wide outs mahomes nun Nd bengals D is better then the chiefs mahomes is working with nothing but one weapon Nd is still in the MVP convo Nd his team has only loss 3 games come on YALL don’t know football
Last I checked burrow lost the Superbowl and has no MVPs mahomes is 1 for 1 in SB and a Superbowl MVP and an MVP.
If burrow wins a super bowl and beats mahomes again in the playoffs it has to be burrow
If this happens they will still claim that Mahomes is better
And Mahomes could win another MVP, another Superbowl, and another Superbowl MVP this year and people will still claim that Burrow is "on the same level or tier" as Mahomes
@@blick5511 hard to argue he isn't on the same tier both in their first full seasons went to the superbowl with suspect defenses and burrow outplayed him on his way there. Mahomes definitely has the edge with arm talent but Burrow is clearly special.
Bro how is Herbert in this discussion and Lamar isnt