They all came out on the Atari ST Computer even when it was not that popular. At the time for games like Gauntlet, Road Runner and Indiana Jones people thought Atari mandated that there must be ST versions
Excellent information on the computer side, thank you. So that means they probably just didn't see the 7800 as being worthwhile to release their games on to...
The ST, and other European computer versions, were released by Domark licensed from Tengen. The actual arcade versions from Atari Corporation for the ST were the old pre Crash titles that honestly weren't good.
All the games I mentioned were published by US Gold in the UK and Mindscape in the USA. US Gold had some involvment with the 7800 on the box of Tower Toppler 7800 it says licensed from US Gold and the programmer of that game has said he was working for US Gold when he did the conversion. It was reported at the time in the UK magazine ACE that US Gold were developing a 7800 version of Gauntlet. Later they did release it for the Master System
In Europe the ST was pretty popular as a general interest computer and less expansive 16bit game machine, so money could be made by Domark in selling those games.
Well the game paperboy did also came out for the atari xe wich was a hybrid computer and game console,eventrough it was a remodeled atari 400 with a different and much smaller case,because the atari xe was compatible with atari 400 games and vice versa,HOWEVER i still do wonder if atari not got sewed for doing this since atari had only the right to make computer versions of certain arcade games,but since atari also was selling their atari xe as a game console without keyboard,they were actually cheating and infrightning contracted deals wich they had made with other companies to not allow making arcade games for home consoles, Same thing with coleco,eventrough the addam expansion addon did turn their colecovision into a computer and yes there was also a standalone addam computer and so coleco tout that it was a smart idea to make some certain arcade games (for wich they had the rights to only make for game consoles) for their addam computer and addam addon as well just to bypass those rules,BUT this resulted in a clynch with atari, Personally atari should,ve just turned their 5200 into an atari xe since it uses the same hardware and so they could,ve just used the same cartride input. As of the 5200 and there would,ve be no cheating in curcomventing those rules ,but i guess atari did this on purpose to NOT make the atari XE compatible with 5200 games becau they probably knew it would,ve flopped so instead they made it overhypedly compatible with atari 400 games instead to make it more attractive,but still,,,,
If memory serves, the lawsuit also delayed the release of the 7800 for a few years. Without it, it may have arrived at the same time, or even before, the NES. Don't think it would have ever beaten that giant, but a head start surely would have helped them sell more units.
It would've been nice to have those games on the 7800, although it wouldn't have made a difference to me back in the day, as I never owned a 7800 until long after the fact. I did enjoy several of those games on the Lynx, though, so ultimately I didn't miss out. But it is strange that the Lynx would get those titles but not the 7800.
Right. I shouldn't of been so laser focused on just the 7800 and maybe I could've provided insights on that. How these games came out on Lynx and Atari computers that is. But I learn a little bit more with each video and hopefully one day soon I'll have more complete and thorough looks back... As always thank you for watching!
Interesting mentionings here,now eventrough those games you mentioned never came out on the 7800 but games such as road blasters,gountlett 2,klax,paperboy etc,, did oddly came out on the atari lynx, Hack even pac land came out on the lynx, Well let’s hope that homebrewers will port those nes versions of those mentioned games to the 7800 since both systems are similar so it shouldn’t be that hard to port over those games to the 7800.
Yeah I thought about mentioning that about the lynx. And I probably should have. Still, I hope my goal of explaining the situation and why the 7800 didn't see the games was achieved. Thank you so much!
There were so MANY excellent Atari Games arcade ports for the Lynx that I wondered if the relationship between Games/Tengen and Atari Corp. soured by the time the Atari Jaguar came along since it only got Primal Rage. Perhaps Atari Corp. was no longer interested in their arcade ports since Atari Games WAS interested in their Jaguar and licensed it for two of their arcade games known as the COJAG pcb. Area 51 was a shot in arm for a struggling Atari Games thanks to this licensing deal.
To me the 7800 was behind a generation. NES was putting out Contra, Super Mario, and Zelda and the 7800 was putting out Ms. Pac Man, Galaga, and regular Mario Bros. People don't get that most kids had moved on from those early 80s games, as great as they were. It's like trying to promote a hair metal band during the grunge era of the 90s. Consumers weren't buying it.
The Gaming Historian did a fantastic video on Tengen and their lawsuit with Nintendo, the lock out chip on the NES, etc. Check it out here: ruclips.net/video/fLA_d9q6ySs/видео.htmlsi=Ot4BzO4ML3yHMfa- I tried a few different styles and timings in this video so any feedback is appreciated. Thanks so much for checking it out!
Thanks for the entertaining history lesson. I am trying to read Atari Inc: Business is Fun, but the book is not the easiest to follow for me. I do like the flow of your videos. I actually bought a copy of the “Pick a Fight” magazine Ad to display at some point.
Thank you for being so supportive. Perhaps I should've leaned a bit more into the computer and handheld aspects but, I mean I'm the 7800 guy! Of course that's what I'm most interested in and most excited to share! The pick a fight ad was fantastic, I love it! That'll make a great display piece! Atari didn't do a lot of advertising for the 7800 but some of it was really good...
There are tons of homebrews on the 7800. Not sure why you think this system is lacking, but it gets far more homebrews than any other Atari system other than the 2600.
I think the biggest thing is bringing awareness to the incredible amounts of work being done on the 7800. Robert DeCrescenzo, Muddy Funster, Brex Brixus, VHZC, MKSmith, BydoEmpire, Chris Read and Video61 ( and so many more that I didn't mention but are just as talented) have been churning out excellent content these like 5 years or more! Rikki and Vikki, Super Circus AtariAge, Scramble, Venture, Animal Keeper, EXO, Arti, Donkey Kong PK, Popeye, Drelbs, 1942 and Ghosts and Goblins are showing off the incredible power od the 7800. I plan on showing all this off and more eventually, hopefully introducing more and more people to these games!
I noticed you said Atari was second, which means Sega Master System was third by your statement. It seems like all these Nintendo base statistics want to compare worldwide sales saying that Super NES beat Genesis. I thought locally Genesis beat the SNES, though they were closing the gap during the Sega Civil War (32X vs Saturn). I heard Japan is a very jingoist country when it comes to their video games. They seem to erect a one-way wall exporting everything and importing almost nothing. Where can I find a region by region breakdown of the console Wars from the second generation onward. By the way I think that number of Atari 7800 finishing second locally in the United States is accurate. Bit worldwide, Sega may have beat it due to Japan's one way wall.
Yes I almost always speak in terms of the United States but I should do a better job clarifying that in the future. Worldwide it would almost definitely have to be third considering the master systems popularity in South America and even Europe but I'd have to verify that. Great comment thanks for watching
@@TheAtariNetwork I still think the 7800 would have been the perfect 80's console. Since it was so good at handling sprites, and sprites were so heavily used in games through most of the 80's. And the flicker free gameplay would have enhanced the gameplay experience, and made it more pleasant.
1:05 - 1:06 - Technically it was the mid 1970s when Warner Communications acquired Atari
Thanks for the correction 🙂
The 7800 was a good system, shame it didn't have more support.
Agreed 1000%
They all came out on the Atari ST Computer even when it was not that popular. At the time for games like Gauntlet, Road Runner and Indiana Jones people thought Atari mandated that there must be ST versions
Excellent information on the computer side, thank you. So that means they probably just didn't see the 7800 as being worthwhile to release their games on to...
The ST, and other European computer versions, were released by Domark licensed from Tengen.
The actual arcade versions from Atari Corporation for the ST were the old pre Crash titles that honestly weren't good.
All the games I mentioned were published by US Gold in the UK and Mindscape in the USA. US Gold had some involvment with the 7800 on the box of Tower Toppler 7800 it says licensed from US Gold and the programmer of that game has said he was working for US Gold when he did the conversion. It was reported at the time in the UK magazine ACE that US Gold were developing a 7800 version of Gauntlet. Later they did release it for the Master System
In Europe the ST was pretty popular as a general interest computer and less expansive 16bit game machine, so money could be made by Domark in selling those games.
Well the game paperboy did also came out for the atari xe wich was a hybrid computer and game console,eventrough it was a remodeled atari 400 with a different and much smaller case,because the atari xe was compatible with atari 400 games and vice versa,HOWEVER i still do wonder if atari not got sewed for doing this since atari had only the right to make computer versions of certain arcade games,but since atari also was selling their atari xe as a game console without keyboard,they were actually cheating and infrightning contracted deals wich they had made with other companies to not allow making arcade games for home consoles,
Same thing with coleco,eventrough the addam expansion addon did turn their colecovision into a computer and yes there was also a standalone addam computer and so coleco tout that it was a smart idea to make some certain arcade games (for wich they had the rights to only make for game consoles) for their addam computer and addam addon as well just to bypass those rules,BUT this resulted in a clynch with atari,
Personally atari should,ve just turned their 5200 into an atari xe since it uses the same hardware and so they could,ve just used the same cartride input. As of the 5200 and there would,ve be no cheating in curcomventing those rules ,but i guess atari did this on purpose to NOT make the atari XE compatible with 5200 games becau they probably knew it would,ve flopped so instead they made it overhypedly compatible with atari 400 games instead to make it more attractive,but still,,,,
If memory serves, the lawsuit also delayed the release of the 7800 for a few years. Without it, it may have arrived at the same time, or even before, the NES. Don't think it would have ever beaten that giant, but a head start surely would have helped them sell more units.
It would've been nice to have those games on the 7800, although it wouldn't have made a difference to me back in the day, as I never owned a 7800 until long after the fact. I did enjoy several of those games on the Lynx, though, so ultimately I didn't miss out. But it is strange that the Lynx would get those titles but not the 7800.
Right. I shouldn't of been so laser focused on just the 7800 and maybe I could've provided insights on that. How these games came out on Lynx and Atari computers that is. But I learn a little bit more with each video and hopefully one day soon I'll have more complete and thorough looks back...
As always thank you for watching!
Interesting mentionings here,now eventrough those games you mentioned never came out on the 7800 but games such as road blasters,gountlett 2,klax,paperboy etc,, did oddly came out on the atari lynx,
Hack even pac land came out on the lynx,
Well let’s hope that homebrewers will port those nes versions of those mentioned games to the 7800 since both systems are similar so it shouldn’t be that hard to port over those games to the 7800.
Yeah I thought about mentioning that about the lynx. And I probably should have. Still, I hope my goal of explaining the situation and why the 7800 didn't see the games was achieved. Thank you so much!
There were so MANY excellent Atari Games arcade ports for the Lynx that I wondered if the relationship between Games/Tengen and Atari Corp. soured by the time the Atari Jaguar came along since it only got Primal Rage. Perhaps Atari Corp. was no longer interested in their arcade ports since Atari Games WAS interested in their Jaguar and licensed it for two of their arcade games known as the COJAG pcb. Area 51 was a shot in arm for a struggling Atari Games thanks to this licensing deal.
To me the 7800 was behind a generation. NES was putting out Contra, Super Mario, and Zelda and the 7800 was putting out Ms. Pac Man, Galaga, and regular Mario Bros. People don't get that most kids had moved on from those early 80s games, as great as they were. It's like trying to promote a hair metal band during the grunge era of the 90s. Consumers weren't buying it.
The Gaming Historian did a fantastic video on Tengen and their lawsuit with Nintendo, the lock out chip on the NES, etc. Check it out here:
ruclips.net/video/fLA_d9q6ySs/видео.htmlsi=Ot4BzO4ML3yHMfa-
I tried a few different styles and timings in this video so any feedback is appreciated. Thanks so much for checking it out!
Thanks for the entertaining history lesson. I am trying to read Atari Inc: Business is Fun, but the book is not the easiest to follow for me. I do like the flow of your videos. I actually bought a copy of the “Pick a Fight” magazine Ad to display at some point.
Thank you for being so supportive. Perhaps I should've leaned a bit more into the computer and handheld aspects but, I mean I'm the 7800 guy! Of course that's what I'm most interested in and most excited to share!
The pick a fight ad was fantastic, I love it! That'll make a great display piece! Atari didn't do a lot of advertising for the 7800 but some of it was really good...
I definitely am fine with your laser focus on the 7800.
Poor Paperboy is flipped in the intro image :(
It is your right. Honestly I didn't even realize that so I need to have better attention to detail. Thanks a million!
The thumbnail got me, but really, Atari and Nintendo could've have a more good partnership from back in the day.
I wish there were more homebrews on the 7800. It seems like the 2600 and NES are more popular among homebrew developers.
It's true, but the 7800 has been getting more attention recently...
There are tons of homebrews on the 7800. Not sure why you think this system is lacking, but it gets far more homebrews than any other Atari system other than the 2600.
I think the biggest thing is bringing awareness to the incredible amounts of work being done on the 7800. Robert DeCrescenzo, Muddy Funster, Brex Brixus, VHZC, MKSmith, BydoEmpire, Chris Read and Video61 ( and so many more that I didn't mention but are just as talented) have been churning out excellent content these like 5 years or more! Rikki and Vikki, Super Circus AtariAge, Scramble, Venture, Animal Keeper, EXO, Arti, Donkey Kong PK, Popeye, Drelbs, 1942 and Ghosts and Goblins are showing off the incredible power od the 7800. I plan on showing all this off and more eventually, hopefully introducing more and more people to these games!
I haven't seen many good ones.@@saurondp
I noticed you said Atari was second, which means Sega Master System was third by your statement.
It seems like all these Nintendo base statistics want to compare worldwide sales saying that Super NES beat Genesis. I thought locally Genesis beat the SNES, though they were closing the gap during the Sega Civil War (32X vs Saturn).
I heard Japan is a very jingoist country when it comes to their video games. They seem to erect a one-way wall exporting everything and importing almost nothing. Where can I find a region by region breakdown of the console Wars from the second generation onward.
By the way I think that number of Atari 7800 finishing second locally in the United States is accurate. Bit worldwide, Sega may have beat it due to Japan's one way wall.
Yes I almost always speak in terms of the United States but I should do a better job clarifying that in the future. Worldwide it would almost definitely have to be third considering the master systems popularity in South America and even Europe but I'd have to verify that. Great comment thanks for watching
So as has been said many times, many ways, it's all because of Jack Tramiel.
More or less, good or bad, right or wrong, it's always Mr Jack Tramiel!
@@TheAtariNetwork I still think the 7800 would have been the perfect 80's console. Since it was so good at handling sprites, and sprites were so heavily used in games through most of the 80's. And the flicker free gameplay would have enhanced the gameplay experience, and made it more pleasant.
I agree honestly. I hadn't thought of it like that but after hearing your reasoning I think you're on to something