I did notice that when you got it apart in part 1, that it had little to no lubrication inside, that is probably why it would be hard to work with and why it was so abused. Keep up the good work and have a long life teaching us all. regards bruce
Hey Mr. Pete. Thanks for the reference to my build video. It appears we are working concurrently on the same project although we are working from different ends! I'll be drilling the idler gear centres today and that is the part that is filling me with dread. It's interesting to see the parts as you reveal them and the different strategies used to fit and assemble the parts.
That is so funny, I was thinking the same thing. I almost shouted out, hey a nail would fit in there perfectly, but I guess Mr Pete probably has that figured out :-) .
Lyle - I love your videos and have been watching them for years. THANK YOU for sharing your significant knowledge and experience. I do have one suggestion on the pullers you're using in this series. Always lubricate the threads on your pullers each time you used them. It will make the job easier and extend the lift of your pullers. Thanks again.
Excellent job. Watching how these were made helps when I run up against things in my shop. I got a crunchy live center the other day. I missed a snap ring, but it sheared the shaft slot off nicely! Even, thin washer came off the MT3 taper..... oh well.... It'll go back together fine after a bit of polishing and a new double row bearing! Thanks Prof Pete!
I trust that your wife's casserole survived the need to heat this part. I do wonder what sort of dish she was preparing that could stand that increase of heat to 400 degrees. I am enjoying this series.
Mr Pete , at 15:00 I got to call you on using the crescent wrench backwards, LOL 😂! You must have leaned that from Bubba. Even old guy’s are allowed a mistake now and then , but couldn’t pass up giving you a little jab, ha ha. Keep em. Coming, I enjoy them all .
Mr. Pete Congratulations on being on SHARS Machinist of the Month! Well, I heard your reasoning for not letting Jim Ballinger weld up the beat up pulley I sure would have liked to have seen you send it to him, and do a proper fix on the PULL GEAR Unit. You could have done a little teaching on re-cutting the pulley with a form bit that you ground. Oh Well. I am a year older than you, and I do not like people to tell me what to do either. Would sure like to see you do a proper rebuild on it and then put it on one of your drill presses that turns too fast. Gary, 75-Year-Old Home-Shop-Machinist in North West Arkansas. Next time you come to Grizzly, I would love to meet up with you. I am only about an hour from Branson as well.
You’re a great teacher. I teach Industrial electrical maintenance and Mecatronics at the state trade school. Love my job. Looking forward to the next vid.
mrpete OUTSTANDING video Sir!!!! (all your videos are to me) this one is one of my many favorites very very interesting I learned a lot Thanks again for all your time,effort and HARD work to film edit and post these great learning videos & as always Two Thumbs Up Sir!! btw- I wish you could have shown how the reversing part of this Pull Gear worked Thanks again
Another interesting Tubalcain video. I'm looking forward to the next one. Thanks! P.s. It would be fun to see Mrs. Peterson's reactions to your use of her oven, or pillowcase, or towel, or...
Great video Mr. Pete. Actually surprised that's all the comments and views on those 2 pleas for help for all that you have given over the years to us...least we could do is decipher the blue prints, for pointers. Good call on the heat, and hopefully not too much hot water with Mrs. Pete. Looking forward to what you do next with it, but still think if Jim Ballinger is willing it might be good learning for his boys too and give you a less "Air Cooled" pulley. ;-P Seems to me also that good "Parenting" is becoming a lost art unfortunately. We'll see, I know I've been a lucky man that way! Thanks Much!
Another good video and information. I'm trying to figure out how to reduce my 9" table band saw speed. To go from wood to metal. From what I researched, a Variac will not work. Apparently the motor would overheat and burn out.
Thank You Teacher. Waited all week! With the amount of video's you yourself produce, I understand your point of view regarding this project. However if there is enough interest and you have the energy, not to completely restore but just up and running. ~M~ NJ 07922
The pins for the idler gears should be a press or at least tight slip fit to the housing so I wouldn't worry about any galling/scuffing. The pins only need to be smooth where the bronze bushings in the gears run on them.
Good video as always. Don't pay any attention to the naysayers and begrudgers, let them go elsewhere. I am looking forward to seeing this device working, i am also surprised that there is not a farm shop or hardware near you that supplies bearings. But i suppose if something needs bearings these days its worn out and you dump the whole thing.
I understand you are not completely restoring it but I would love to watch you make a new shaft and pulley. The shaft especially has so many different types of operations it would be very educational for us.
Nice job on figuring that out Mr. Pete, looking forward to part 3. Bubba looks a lit perturbed in that picture, perhaps the boss man took his chisel away?
Hi Lyle, That pin looks more like a modified common nail. :-) If you intend to put it to use, maybe think about turning a new lower half. Would make for an interesting video series.
Very interesting device. I wonder if in todays industrial climate if it could be manufactured at a low enough cost to sell. Of course it would be simpler to just buy a drill press that already runs at the proper speed. Thanks for the video.
It's awful hard to build-up weld onto a thin cross-section of what's basically a giant heat-sink. Can be done, but takes forever. Given the number of lathes you have sitting idle, and sad: I vote for melting the pieces down with some other scrap, into a cylinder or cone shaped casting. Then turn that down into fresh new parts, under our watchful gaze of course :D
Just for the sake of interest, here in the UK, we use the "Isle of Wight" method for measuring a bearing , IOW= inside, outside, width., just saying like.
Did the casserole taste of oil or does the pulley now smell of onions? Looking cleaner has already been an improvement, of course it would be nice to see everything shiny and new looking but working will do.
The only time the internal gears are used is in the reduction state, the rest of the time they are locked up. So even if the gears are rough you won't hear them if it not in reduction.
you havent lived until you have shattered a bearing using a hydraulic press. the noise when they finally break loose can be quite loud. i am certain that whatever you do it will be 100 % better than when you got it
Thanks, a great #2 video Mr. Pete. If your press won't move it call Bubba to come over with his big ball peen. Now I'll go back and watch the rest of the video to see how you actually got the thing apart.
Actually some bearings id is standard while others are metric. The od is usually metric. Usually... I have encountered a bearing in standard od. It was a 62032rs and it was too big for the hole. that said its a v belt pulley...and who is going to see it? Us on youtube? well yes. Anyone else? No probably not. Heck think of how many probably ended up as scrap because people threw away that "darn old drill press".
You could do what some wood working people do on filling holes is mix a good amount of aluminum fillings in the glue you use mainly on the out side, and then finish it off. Or make a tight plug with Loctite and finish it off. The plug would be easier to do. This is the kinds of things I like to do, is restore parts or tools that some would just throw away. I doesn't hurt to try, and even if it fails, you learn something that may work on the next thing you restore. As a mater of fact, my E-mail address is restore.n.fix , and I work on most anything people ask my to look at. It's all fun, even if it fails, and most of the time it does come out working. I especially like working on older equipment, since it was built well in the beginning. The newer stuff is made to be dumped because of cheap parts. As always I enjoy watching your videos. Thank You!!! Michael (Gig Harbor, Washington, State)
I was going to suggest putting together a toolbox that "Bubba" would use. I then realized that "Bubba" is always borrowing tools because he never puts his own tools back in their place when he's done with them. "Bubba" also has no clue how to use the most important tool in any shop. A broom.
I think you should let the guy tig it and then copy all of it and make a new one... that would keep you busy for a month and think of the videos you can do on this project... I know you could pull it off. ...
I wish I could send you a photo of my press. What I'm made myself. Hmmmm. It just sits on the back of my drill press. And takes up no space what so ever. Mark
I realize you already ordered the bearings but, this may help others. www.skf.com/binary/79-66347/457013.pdf I would imagine you ordered 6203, 6005 and 6205 bearings with the proper suffix for dual rubber shields.
Please do not buy chinese bearings. I got burned big time rebuilding a transmission. I did not realize the bearing kit had chicom bearings. it lasted less than 20,000 miles Buy german bearings if at all possible. I know its not a transmission but no chicom garbage......
I did notice that when you got it apart in part 1, that it had little to no lubrication inside, that is probably why it would be hard to work with and why it was so abused. Keep up the good work and have a long life teaching us all. regards bruce
Hey Mr. Pete. Thanks for the reference to my build video. It appears we are working concurrently on the same project although we are working from different ends! I'll be drilling the idler gear centres today and that is the part that is filling me with dread. It's interesting to see the parts as you reveal them and the different strategies used to fit and assemble the parts.
You are right about fathers! That pin looks like a #6-#8 common nail. Great video. Interesting and entertaining.
Sure does to me !
Yep sure looks like it, maybe from a repair in the past.
That is so funny, I was thinking the same thing. I almost shouted out, hey a nail would fit in there perfectly, but I guess Mr Pete probably has that figured out :-) .
Me too... I was thinking the same.
It is a nail
Lyle - I love your videos and have been watching them for years. THANK YOU for sharing your significant knowledge and experience. I do have one suggestion on the pullers you're using in this series. Always lubricate the threads on your pullers each time you used them. It will make the job easier and extend the lift of your pullers. Thanks again.
Thanks
That was a real "Hammer Man" who tried to get that apart before you!
Excellent job. Watching how these were made helps when I run up against things in my shop. I got a crunchy live center the other day. I missed a snap ring, but it sheared the shaft slot off nicely! Even, thin washer came off the MT3 taper..... oh well.... It'll go back together fine after a bit of polishing and a new double row bearing! Thanks Prof Pete!
lol
I trust that your wife's casserole survived the need to heat this part. I do wonder what sort of dish she was preparing that could stand that increase of heat to 400 degrees. I am enjoying this series.
😀
Mr Pete , at 15:00 I got to call you on using the crescent wrench backwards, LOL 😂! You must have leaned that from Bubba. Even old guy’s are allowed a mistake now and then , but couldn’t pass up giving you a little jab, ha ha. Keep em. Coming, I enjoy them all .
Hey Lyle, congratulations on being the Shars Machinist of the Month! :-)
Thank you very much
Mr. Pete
Congratulations on being on SHARS Machinist of the Month! Well, I heard your reasoning for not letting Jim Ballinger weld up the beat up pulley I sure would have liked to have seen you send it to him, and do a proper fix on the PULL GEAR Unit. You could have done a little teaching on re-cutting the pulley with a form bit that you ground. Oh Well. I am a year older than you, and I do not like people to tell me what to do either. Would sure like to see you do a proper rebuild on it and then put it on one of your drill presses that turns too fast.
Gary, 75-Year-Old Home-Shop-Machinist in North West Arkansas. Next time you come to Grizzly, I would love to meet up with you. I am only about an hour from Branson as well.
i saw that....they got good taste
Thank you very much
You’re a great teacher. I teach Industrial electrical maintenance and Mecatronics at the state trade school. Love my job. Looking forward to the next vid.
I love hearing from other shop teachers. Keep up the great work
Now I liked the arbor press setup that's shade tree engineering at its best.
lol
mrpete OUTSTANDING video Sir!!!! (all your videos are to me) this one is one of my many favorites very very interesting I learned a lot Thanks again for all your time,effort and HARD work to film edit and post these great learning videos & as always Two Thumbs Up Sir!! btw- I wish you could have shown how the reversing part of this Pull Gear worked Thanks again
Thank you for watching and supporting me.
Another interesting Tubalcain video. I'm looking forward to the next one.
Thanks!
P.s. It would be fun to see Mrs. Peterson's reactions to your use of her oven, or pillowcase, or towel, or...
lol
Brilliant viewing,and look forward to the next instalment.
Thanks
thank you mister pete it will be nice to see it working another item saved i really enjoy your videos
Thanks
Great video Mr. Pete. Actually surprised that's all the comments and views on those 2 pleas for help for all that you have given over the years to us...least we could do is decipher the blue prints, for pointers. Good call on the heat, and hopefully not too much hot water with Mrs. Pete. Looking forward to what you do next with it, but still think if Jim Ballinger is willing it might be good learning for his boys too and give you a less "Air Cooled" pulley. ;-P Seems to me also that good "Parenting" is becoming a lost art unfortunately. We'll see, I know I've been a lucky man that way! Thanks Much!
Thanks
Another good video and information.
I'm trying to figure out how to reduce my 9" table band saw speed. To go from wood to metal. From what I researched, a Variac will not work. Apparently the motor would overheat and burn out.
Coming soon
i would drill out the planetary gear holes and put brass inserts/bushings in there.
I'm done
I work with Bubba! One of my coworkers dialed in a part by tapping the threaded section with a steel hammer.
Thank You Teacher. Waited all week! With the amount of video's you yourself produce, I understand your point of view regarding this project. However if there is enough interest and you have the energy, not to completely restore but just up and running. ~M~ NJ 07922
I am out of time and out of energy
The pins for the idler gears should be a press or at least tight slip fit to the housing so I wouldn't worry about any galling/scuffing. The pins only need to be smooth where the bronze bushings in the gears run on them.
Good video as always. Don't pay any attention to the naysayers and begrudgers, let them go elsewhere. I am looking forward to seeing this device working, i am also surprised that there is not a farm shop or hardware near you that supplies bearings. But i suppose if something needs bearings these days its worn out and you dump the whole thing.
Yes
Great thought out work, things were tight. Thanks Lyle, enjoyed.
I understand you are not completely restoring it but I would love to watch you make a new shaft and pulley. The shaft especially has so many different types of operations it would be very educational for us.
It's done
Maybe you should make a new pulley shell from a casting. You could even use the original, built up with putty, as a pattern.
Nice job on figuring that out Mr. Pete, looking forward to part 3.
Bubba looks a lit perturbed in that picture, perhaps the boss man took his chisel away?
lol
Hi Lyle,
That pin looks more like a modified common nail. :-)
If you intend to put it to use, maybe think about turning a new lower half. Would make for an interesting video series.
First thing that came to mind when I saw it, looks like a nail
It is a nail
Hi Lyle,
Guess you can now use a longer nail and thread the end for that thumbscrew you had mentioned.
I noticed an hex head cap screw whilst you were educating us, would it be worth removing that and any others, it was between the planetary gears.
Very interesting device. I wonder if in todays industrial climate if it could be manufactured at a low enough cost to sell. Of course it would be simpler to just buy a drill press that already runs at the proper speed. Thanks for the video.
Yes, but no one sells a slow speed drill brush
Press
Great video many, many thanks for your time very interesting really looking forward to see you using this..
Thanks
It's awful hard to build-up weld onto a thin cross-section of what's basically a giant heat-sink. Can be done, but takes forever. Given the number of lathes you have sitting idle, and sad: I vote for melting the pieces down with some other scrap, into a cylinder or cone shaped casting. Then turn that down into fresh new parts, under our watchful gaze of course :D
Sure
another fantastic video, mr. pete - thank you!
Thanks
The things we put up with our significant others. Always a lunch or dinner in the oven when we need to use it.
Thanks. I'm certain Mrs. Peterson is on her way to Sainthood after putting up with greasy pull gear parts in her oven! LOL.
She's lucky to have Lyle, I would have slid the casserole to the side and had the pullgear keep it company on the cook. :) 2 birds with one stone.
lol
Just for the sake of interest, here in the UK, we use the "Isle of Wight" method for measuring a bearing , IOW= inside, outside, width., just saying like.
Good idea, never heard of that
Did you say if we watch the hole ad you get something (David) great video
lol
Probably you will want to set the planetary gear hafts with a bearing adhesive or JB weld.
Thanks
What does that pin, spring, lever on the top even do?
Did the casserole taste of oil or does the pulley now smell of onions?
Looking cleaner has already been an improvement, of course it would be nice to see everything shiny and new looking but working will do.
I like onions
Can't wait for the next video!
Thanks
Good morning Mr. Pete!
Good morning
Why don’t you just turn a new pulley - haha. Great video Mr. Pete
No
Very interesting, but you must get that broken edge in the pulley tig welded or you may not be able to sleep at night if you don't.
I forgot to mention Mark Presling inspired by you is making one of these on his channel. ruclips.net/video/PsBs064cyOI/видео.html
Thanks, I put the link in the directions
At 5:30 put a circlip on the end.
You are the you-tube "shop teacher"... if I'm not mistaken I do believe I gave you that moniker
Yes, and I thank you for it
hi Mr. Pete I like your videos... will you be able to take measurements of the pieces in order to reproduce it? greetings from argentina
The job is done
Some say the secret ingredient to that casserole is love. Others recognize it as WD-40.
lol
:)
Any thoughts on why all 3 bearings failed?
Time. And they were not sealed bearings
Is that bronze ring gear removable from the rest of the casting ?
looks like its held/positioned by dutchman screws.
Yes
your picture of bubba reminded me of the instructional film for the proper use of tools starring primitive pete i seen in high school
I watch that film 200 times
your students had fun with that didnt they?
New Bearings is the only way to go !
Yes
I would try to make a new pulley, but then again I'm young and have time to do it.
I'm done
THANK YOU...for sharing.
Thanks
glad you got help, way beyond me.
Thanks
Accurate Bearing is a great source.
Thanks
Mount the pulley on a short shaft in the lathe instead of experimenting with holding it in the chuck.
Expanding arbor for the win!!
Surprised on bearing spa at from race
Thanks for sharing sir..
Thanks
The only time the internal gears are used is in the reduction state, the rest of the time they are locked up. So even if the gears are rough you won't hear them if it not in reduction.
Yes
Years of working on automatic transmissions and a particular 1937 Lincoln K-series with a 3 speed manual with automatic overdrive.
different number because its a sealed brg,i se you are a big fan of machinist wrench also knowen as cresent wrench
I have 100 of them
how many are metric or wentworth
you havent lived until you have shattered a bearing using a hydraulic press. the noise when they finally break loose can be quite loud. i am certain that whatever you do it will be 100 % better than when you got it
Should definitely make a new pulley
Lyle, Harbor Fright.
Horror Fright, maybe?
steve
Thanks, a great #2 video Mr. Pete. If your press won't move it call Bubba to come over with his big ball peen. Now I'll go back and watch the rest of the video to see how you actually got the thing apart.
Yes
try chem metal for that puller ..
Yes
Actually some bearings id is standard while others are metric. The od is usually metric. Usually... I have encountered a bearing in standard od. It was a 62032rs and it was too big for the hole.
that said its a v belt pulley...and who is going to see it? Us on youtube? well yes. Anyone else? No probably not. Heck think of how many probably ended up as scrap because people threw away that "darn old drill press".
Jacilynn S
13:26 the shaft!!! 🙉🙉🙉
You could do what some wood working people do on filling holes is mix a good amount of aluminum fillings in the glue you use mainly on the out side, and then finish it off. Or make a tight plug with Loctite and finish it off. The plug would be easier to do.
This is the kinds of things I like to do, is restore parts or tools that some would just throw away. I doesn't hurt to try, and even if it fails, you learn something that may work on the next thing you restore.
As a mater of fact, my E-mail address is restore.n.fix , and I work on most anything people ask my to look at.
It's all fun, even if it fails, and most of the time it does come out working. I especially like working on older equipment, since it was built well in the beginning. The newer stuff is made to be dumped because of cheap parts.
As always I enjoy watching your videos.
Thank You!!!
Michael
(Gig Harbor, Washington, State)
You could put a slight bevel on the top as to remove the pecker tracks without exposing the bearing
Nice episode .... The illustration of Bubba would be more accurate if he also had a cigarette dangling from his lips.
lol
You know, if you threw out the coffee can of bearing before you started this project, all 3 of those sizes sealed bearings would have been in it. 😄
lol
1622 gears. Width 16 mm, tooth count 22 ? Perhaps.
I was going to suggest putting together a toolbox that "Bubba" would use. I then realized that "Bubba" is always borrowing tools because he never puts his own tools back in their place when he's done with them. "Bubba" also has no clue how to use the most important tool in any shop. A broom.
I think you should let the guy tig it and then copy all of it and make a new one... that would keep you busy for a month and think of the videos you can do on this project...
I know you could pull it off.
...
lol. I'll mail it to you and you can do all of that, and send it back
Hope you at least took the casserole out! LOL!
lol
I wish I could send you a photo of my press. What I'm made myself. Hmmmm. It just sits on the back of my drill press. And takes up no space what so ever. Mark
Thanks
If you're doing that much work on it just go ahead and get it tigged!
Job is done
Where did you get that picture of me? And my name's not Bubba!
lol
I realize you already ordered the bearings but, this may help others. www.skf.com/binary/79-66347/457013.pdf I would imagine you ordered 6203, 6005 and 6205 bearings with the proper suffix for dual rubber shields.
Oh yes I did. Thanks
That plunger appears to be a nail...
250 lathes, 175 mills, 75 drill presses, 80,000 drill bits, 1 press?!?!
lol
Cast a new pully section? Too much? _EDIT_ . . . or Mark Presling's solution.
I'm done
Lyle on the pully just straighten the edges and dress it up with a fial and call it DONE !.
That's exactly what I did
oh no wrong hooooollleeee!
That's what she said...
When asked who you were with the best answer is "It was dark and there were so many!"
Hablas demasiado
Además no te entiendo lo que dices.
Pero se ve interesante .
The viewers that give a lot of lip are ones that don't do or do ever poor job on all they do ,and the words say it all
Lol time hurry up
Yes
Please do not buy chinese bearings. I got burned big time rebuilding a transmission. I did not realize the bearing kit had chicom bearings. it lasted less than 20,000 miles
Buy german bearings if at all possible. I know its not a transmission but no chicom garbage......