Mortar & Crossbow Launcher - Battlefield 1
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- Опубликовано: 12 дек 2024
- The BF1 support class gadget guides roll on with part 2. In this video, we explore the exact workings of the two mortar and crossbow launcher variants. How much damage do they each do against vehicles & infantry and which variants are better? Let's find out!
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*Note* : since just about everyone is running Flak nowadays, tests were conducted with this specialisation turned on!
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I was going to mention that, since I recall the Crossbow Launcher doing 55 damage to infantry with HE and 100 damage to infantry with Frag. You should have also mentioned how bad the Crossbow Launcher is in comparison to the Rifle Grenade. One less grenade carried, slower reload, and lower muzzle velocity.
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At long ranges and with some skill in the HE Xbow you can lob a grenade into a room that basically instantly detonates, making it handy for finishing off enemies. It also does destroys buildings, letting you kill enemies hiding in pristine buildings pretty easily. The frag can't do any of this and still requires two shots to kill, and provides the enemy with time to escape its wrath in most situations. I do agree though, just take the mortar instead, since the Xbow is pretty weak.
Crossbow launcher and skill dont go together
I wish there were incendiary variants of the mortar and crossbow.
That would be a very cool gadget to use but seeing how bad gadget spam is in this game with traditional explosives, incediary would ruin it
Gas mortars would make sense at least, since gas was primarily dispersed via indirect fire anyway.
A Jaded Lizard that would be really cool actually, but imagine a team full of supports using it. XD
That's the main problem of the spam, explosives are balanced perfectly for 1 vs 1, it's when lots of people use them at once.
Incendiary is a bit much for a mortar for this game, however a gas variant not only would be a better fit, I think it would be a reminder how gas attacks where launched by artillery shells
This video highly underestimates the Air Mortars ability to completely slow down a group of infantry. The HE mortar may give 1 or 2 kills through direct hits, but that's it - the survivors can either instantly revive the one unlucky guy you killed or simply leave him behind to respawn on his advancing squad.
This is the advantage of the Air Mortar - it hits EVERYONE at once, and this can completely halt an assault. When multiple squads are at below half health at the same time, almost an entire team can be forced to wait a full minute to heal up before advancing or they will easily be picked off by medics/snipers. This is why the Air Mortar has double the efficient - users are getting piles of "Assist Kills".
The end result is that HE Mortars are better for long range maps where you will be shooting at individual soldiers and vehicles often, and then the Air Mortar is best used in infantry maps (not just Argonne).
I dont get why airburst is basically worse than the he when it comes to infantry. It definitely should have a 100% damage radius, even if super small
The stats make the HE mortar look soooo much more appealing but I cant be the only one who finds it annoying to get two well placed mortar shots and still not get a kill. It seems like such a minor difference but in my experience the HE mortar is much less consistent against infantry. Could partly account for the lower efficiency rate maybe?
RustedOpus might do with low cover since it explodes at impact the cover blocks a lot of damage while airburst just goes above it
Ryan D Yeah you're totally right, and it seems to drastically affect its performance
Also what do you think about a gas mortar? It would be more similar to how gas was deployed in ww1
Holden McKroin I think that would cause gas to become a problem again. Haven't seen much gas spam in a long time and I am hesitant to even think of more gas related items.
Anthony DeLuca honestly speaking mortars are much more commonly used compared to gas grenades. If gas mortars were in the game objectives will probably be spammed be gas from someone sitting 100 meters away. I don't believe any more gas based items should be added to the game (that and more explosives).
+Anthony DeLuca same
+Luis Santiago I was thinking the gas mortar would have a single shot.
5:35 remember that the specialisation all players start with reduces explosive damage. That might be why.
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All jokes aside, I really like this video. I really appreciate how you give your opinion on preferring the HE but give evidence that the airburst might be objectively better in terms of getting raw kills. I have never seen a battlefield RUclipsr do that, props to you sir.
I think Airburst gets more kills because since mortars are so bloody hard to actually direct hit someone, people get better with the Airburst because it requires less accuracy.
what Ever HE does damage tanks and destory building tho.. also nothing is more fun then shooting a bunker with a HE mortal to destroy it and all enemys inside will die
The King I do normally use HE because of that.
Plus nothing like a cluster of people huddled together next to an ammo pack by a trench to launch a one-man artillery barrage (Verdun Hights for the last objective)
When I play as support, It's always: Ammo crate and then frag crossbow or limpet charge. I find myself getting kills with the crossbow alot when used. Easy to get into hallways because it shoots so long
the key to the airburst mortar is when you get a good hit on a group start spamming the fire button and you can fire all 5 shots pretty quickly.
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Rogue-9, the real saving grace of the of the crossbow launcher is that the grenades can be shot with more force that a normal grenade throw. In addition to then bouncing the grenade off walls and other things, you can penetrate cover deeper and eliminate enemies without exposing yourself to enemy fire. With a bit of practice you can get those grenades to go exactly where you want. If you hit a pocket of enemies on your first shot you kill the ones without flak and damage the rest. You fire a second one in and you're guaranteed at least a few kills, whether they're running flak or not. I'd argue that this makes the frag crossbow the best support gadget for CQC in the game.
The dividing factor for me between mortar and crossbow is the ability to be moving all the time. It's a big difference even if you can launch the mortar behind cover. That said, I'll probably have to try the HE mortar again... Or not. I'll stick with my limpets. Too damn fun to use those bad boys.
the answer to all those "dunno why thise things do less dmg"
the damn flak specialization -> 10% less explosive dmg, in fact, teorically now u cant kill with a nade
I run Impact Grenades and get kills all the time. It depends on what you're doing, but you're probably not going to kill a fully healed enemy with them. If you want to rack up launcher kills, I recommend throwing incendiary or gas grenades first, then using the crossbow to bat cleanup. Argonne's bunkers in particular make this a *lethal* combination.
The frag launcher didn’t 1 hk cause of flak
True, good point. But that still leaves the question as to why the HE is more powerful...
To be fair, most people will be running Flak because it's a default specialization and a lot of people aren't running anything other than the default ones.
I didn't know how much more effective the he mortars are on infantry than I thought. Explains why I'm seeing more he than airbrush these days
I prefer the HE launcher for several reasons. First, it destroys cover and second it works as an impact grenade. It is at least a deterrent against vehicles since it's easier to hit them with the explosion. It's not powerful by itself but it has more utility and can be used effectively in conjunction with your main weapon or a gas grenade which is my choice of grenade for the support class. I basically use it like someone would use the M320 from Battlefield 4.
I've had a long running suspicion that the HE Mortar is the superior choice. Thank you for the final proof. See you on Discord! - Cross
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When it comes between the two types, I tend to go with the HE crossbow. Unless it's an infantry rich map, which I will switch to frag (maybe not in the French fortress though, might need the HE to blow doors. Why do I prefer the HE crossbow? Yeah it sucks against vehicles but it does well against structures. It's very annoying when the enemy is picking people off left and right while on a second floor of a house. If I can, I'll try and shoot the HE through the window, if not then onto the roof. Then I watch the building collapse, removing their vantage point for the rest of the game. And perhaps get kills from the them getting crushed.
I used to use the HE mortar a lot but there is one thing you forgot to mention. Players using the more effective mortars, show up on the enemies' minimap. Even if the enemy can not get to you, you open yourself up to "anti-battery" fire from enemy mortars or maybe even planes.
Right now I'm on the limpet mine spam, figured it would be easier for me to unlock the one specialization with 25 limpet tank kills rather the 50 horseback kills. Too bad the behemoth dreadnought doesn't count ;)
Anyway, I prefer to use the ammo packs and repair tool. It just seems more beneficial for the repairs, where a tank will do more killing than whatever you decide to use for explosive ordinance. Save the anti-tanking to the Assault class, just keep them supplied. Also not to mention it can be pretty nice repair AA guns after the enemy aces have continually pound every one into the ground. Just wish you got XP for repairing "neutral" stationeries. If a teammate is operating one, you get XP. If you fix one so you can use it, you don't get any.
I think the reason why airburst grenades have a higher kill rate is that due to the greater area of effect, they can be fired in faster succession and still cause damage to the same enemy or group of enemies. The HE might kill in a single well placed hit, but it is much harder to place an accurate on a small target such as an enemy player, since you have to not only wait for accurate fire, but also wait for the travel time of the mortar.
Limpet is best!!
Black Acid Gaming with ammo pouch on 2nd! I was riding an enemy train and dropping limpets over and over. Until the tank saw me.
Regarding mortars, I usualy use the airburst against concentrations of infantry in trenches or in the open (typically shelling objectives on operations and conquest), and the explosive against occupied buildings. The damage capabilities of the explosive mortar against vehicle is not enough for my taste, as vehicle usually move after being hit. That said, if 2 or 3 explosive mortars on your team focuses against 1 vehicle, it can be really effective.
Regarding crossbows, the frag is way better indoors, used in choke points (fort de vaux, argonne forest for example), but the HE crossbow can be useful againt occupied buildings.
Against vehicles, the only use of the crossbows is to harass them, by cancelling their repair cycle, making it easier for your teammates to take them down, making them comparable to K-bullets. The explosive mortar is more relevant in this case, and even the airburst mortar can be. It will do something like 2 damage, which is enough to cancel repair cycle, and will arm anyone around the tank trying to repair or support him (or bailing out after using it as a spawn point). If you can get closer, the limpet can deal heavy damage, but its more a suicidal attack.
Confused between which to take?
TAKE THEM BOTH LIKE A TRUE SUPPORT PLAYER
Crawling Pigeon "true support player"
Luis Santiago can't tell how many times I run into supports how ask me for ammo because they epuiped those two
Crawling Pigeon it feels like that becomes more common every day. Sucks.
If you have two explosive gadgets as a support you're doing it wrong
Wolfskii limpet charges?
i more or less always use the frag bow. its just extremely useful for clearing out buildings and entrenched positions. since the flak perk have been added, its also very useful to combo it with your regular grenade, giving you the ability to kill someone quickly, before they get away. id probably consider the he mortar for the more open maps in the future though, even though I'm not too fond of the passive play style :)
I'll take the HE crossbow over the frag entirely because of the "explode almost immediately on impact" feature. It's great for when you get into a firefight and your injured target ducks down behind a wall; a quick followup with the HE crossbow will end him rightly. On the off chance he survives, you might have just blown up his cover in the process so you can just shoot him.
On the other hand, if the map has a lot of vehicles or is largely indoors, I'll take the limpet charge any day.
I find airburst is more useful in gametypes where getting kills is the most important thing, such as Defense in Operations, Rush, Frontlines, and TDM. I've honestly never run the HE variant because for me, I'm far more likely to be shooting at infantry than saving that for the off chance an enemy vehicle crashes the party. At that point, it's probably time to pack things up anyway.
love the videos ! thank you
Thanks for having swayed me away from the HE crossbow, and instead to the Frag crossbow.
That crossbow I've never liked, I had to do an assignment with that thing and I have no idea why people use it. Also mortaring doesn't fit my playstyle. I hope to see more people using it. However, I choose, as I said in the last video, to use the ammo box and crate for I am usually in the center of combat laying down suppressive fire. By putting the crate in the group of advancers and give the pouches to those who are requesting ammo, I don't go a game without a resupply highlight of over at least 100
Another good video man
Honestly, I prefer the crossbow because I can still move while using it, while you have to stop to use the mortar, and I’d rather continue moving with the squad, and not many people will protect you from a flanking enemy while on a mortar. Also it has indoor capabilities. But I do agree that it’s kinda cheap to use the crossbow launcher because it’s just spamming more grenades. It’s kind of like the pouches vs the crates, but instead there are noticeable advantages to using the mortar. But I prefer mobility.
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Ammo pouch + limpet charge is the best combo for support imo
There are smoke rounds for the mortar?
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I just learned that myself.... pretty useful information!
How do u use them
I play Xbox one and it's left on dpad for me. I use them mostly for ranging my explosions so I don't waste as much.plus offers random distractions and help. Enemy thinks they are fine,I drop smoke on him to make him think twice and look back,while I drop the explosive shell in front where he was looking.
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you can use the high ex crossbow and the repair tool to support the tank but you need the mini at grenade too , you can try to distract the eneym thank with your three anti tank grenades and run to the tank with a repaior tool and smash it , if you do not succseed the frienldy tank will sucseed, well thats the teamplay for me and thats pretty useful ecxept in long ranges
No, pouches and repair tool only!
On Fort de Vaux?
I run Frag Crossbow and HE mortar for mass explosive support. Mind you people beg me for ammunition however.
i find it alot more effective to use ammo and crossbow unless you are going to be a tank mate
Gordon Goldsteinburg Total opposite play style compared to my support, mostly defense with a HE mortar and ammo crate. But to each their own
I really wish they would Implement some new versions of the mortar and crossbow. The fragmentation crossbow is probably the better one especially in confined areas. But the airburst mortar in my mind it just isn't that useful. I only used it in the past back before it got a pretty significant Nerf. And then of course again when it was a requirement to unlock the Parabellum low weight. Which by the way I still haven't managed to shoot down the effing planes...
I think it would be nice if we had units that launched either instead of fragmentation or high explosive maybe incendiary or gas. It's just like when you use the Siege Howitzer on the Verdun Heights map. It has high explosive, smoke and gas. I know a lot of people don't like the gas in the game but I feel that having a mortar that launch Gas would be a bit more realistic.
How about the vehicle mortars(the landship and artiller truck variants)? How are they compared to the infantry mortars? I know their range is huge, but how about the damage?
I would be happy for videos like this also about vehicles and variants, for example AP canon vs HE canon of tanks.
Do you know if the medic rifle granade is better than the crossbow? The frag variant seems to be more effective and the smoke one is great for cover because it has 4 grandees(opposed to only 1 you usually have)-very good for attacking operations.
So a synopsis; DO NOT USE AIR MORTARS, it will scratch vehicles and tanks.
Well, I should give the he mortar more of a try then. I love using the grenade crossbow though.
IIRC crossbows can't be resupplied with ammo pouches, so their resupply times are agonizingly slow (definetly slower than other non-support gadgets since the only other support gadget taht can be resupplied is Limpet, covered below), and therefore their usefulness is highly limited. on areas where i need explosives and can't or won't use a mortar i prefer the limpet since:
-it can destroy environment (walls, doors, etc). crossbows can't
-limpet can be resupplied (immediately, like bullets), and ready to use after a short "arming" period (5 secs tops) after resupply
-you can stick limpets anywhere and it's effective vs vehicles. crossbows are the complete opposite.
Very helpful video
a grenade that launches crossbows, now that's a weapon to surpass metal gear!
I swear everytime I see a intact wall and put a limpets charge on it I get a kill from the explosion or building collapse besides it being a tank killer if u can get close.
Hey rogue, whenever you get time, could you do a video on spawn and respawn times on vehicles (including transport) and elite kits because it seems so random at times
This tank destructions with he crossbow challenge is going to drive me crazy. Any tips?
Don't do it?
Use Light AT Grenade. Throw it first, then finish with your crossbow, if you're lucky enough. Or just steal kills from dying tanks.
they are expecting you to make kills with the grenade launcher but they dont even one hit kill. so the way to complete that mission is to just keep trying untill you hit someone that doesnt have full health
What about a plane or parachuting infantryman being hit directly with the airburst mortar? It is extremely unlikely but I would still like to know, for science!
I am confused. The airburst mortar used to have anti vehicle shells. You just need to press "3" in mortar to fire them.
Did you not know that, or have they been removed?
Really want to get into this mortar but I'm always getting the red indicator for non flat surface when I want to deploy. Only seems to work out in the open for me
Repair tool, limpets or crossbow frag for me any day. It is so boring for me to use mortars, but i can't deny hos effective they are :)
I played last night as support and managed to use the frag crossbow for a one hit kill....twice.
A flare mortar? That would be cool
Really hope DICE can buff the HE crossbow vehicle damage to 20-21 rather than 10-11 to make it more feasible. hopefully.
Genji Shimada tanka be too weak though
Philip bohn hmm that's true...
maybe 14-15?
Genji Shimada yeah, it is harder to hit unlike the at sniper rifle
If you lay down and aim as far up as possible with the he grenade launcher you'LL fire exactly 132m. just to let you know
Dude I can't unlock or find HE mortars it's not showing up in my purchase tab or anywhere.
How do you unlock varoents of mortars? I only have the default air burst
Rogue-9 uploaded? Time to get the lotion out
Just a minor correction to one of the drop down info boxes. the labels were swapped
Time to put the lotion away.
True Supports only run ammo pouches and crates
The mortar is in gadged slot?
Mortars come with smoke? I'm 120 with support at 50 and I had no idea. How do you deploy smoke?
+Isaac Mercado gadget 1 for me... I think that's the default
You really didn't know that? WTF dude, like seriously, HOW THE FUCK didn't you know that? It's the second gadget. Again, how didn't you know that?
@@rifkinsa go easy on him tiger I didn't know myself and played a long time
how do you stop the mortar animation?
Did you remember to take off the flak specialization when testing this?
Emil Hajbert they kept it deliberately
The vast majority of players are never going to equip different perks, so these might as well be assumed to be always effective.
I always knew that airburst was preety useless, but I did not know it was that much useless.....Dice pls.....
Wait you said smoke rounds. You can smoke with these?
And look how useful that can be! At 2:10 I rush C in Argonne and use the mortar to cover the flag cap! I frequently use the mortar just to drop smokes and then push on. It should be mapped to the gadget one button (that's how it works on PC)
mortars can support too
How do you fire a smoke mortar shell?
+C B Miguel gadget one button.
Thank you, I did not know the mortar even had a smoke shell before watching the video. Tah very much.
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Limpet charge is better than both of these, much more satisfying too use against vehicles I was playing turning tides and swam behind a boat and sunk it.
Hi fellas, HE cross bow is OP. Hit, blow, then kill, I can bombard suckers over 150m
Well newsday everyone run with flack.
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+Bazza Kat Rogues Renegades
Umm...why do people dislike this?....what's the point?
*How do u even get out of mortar view ?* *PS4*
Hold the square button
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They should buff the he launcher
I played with you the other day and you didn't even say hello :(
Oh dear, I'm sorry. When I'm recording I frequently have chat disabled to keep the recordings as clean as possible. If you messaged and I didn't respond, it's cs I didn't see!
It's ok.It was from Verdun.Next time.
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Mortar rounds are called bombs not grenades
Too bad the air burst wasn’t better, then you couldn’t say “personally I prefer the air” oh well...
Airburst is basically worthless. HE is better against both vehicles and infantry.
use crossbow FRG
bring smoke nades
stonks
Support again? eh...
The video itself is good as always, though.
Im buying battlefield 1 just because of the mortar
Wow the HE crossbow is so bad, they should buff it against vehicle at least.
Is this the re upload? And did you read my reply? Im sorry
I did see it. No need to be sorry. More chances to join up in future!
reupload?
yeah, the original has a minor labelling issue which is now corrected. sorry for the nuisance but I thought it worthwhile in this case
glad that you're paying attention to the details
I use HE to destroy buildings.
I get 4 kill strike
lol how is this even a debate repair tool kills the best out of the Crossbow and Mortar.
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as a support I use both the ammo thingys because that is the job of a fucking support player
Delta23Dragon08 When assaults dont wanna anti tank you gotta take things into your own hands
The spaghetti strainer bomb is better for taking out or disabling vehicles anyway. Wish they hadn't added the crossbow but DICE is lazy about gadget ideas.
"Just add more explosives and call it a day".
nah... both mortar and crossbow are stupid. limpet and repair tool for the stylish win
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