Yes, East/West has a gravity correction factor for caused by the change in centrifugal acceleration resulting from eastbound or westbound velocity, which is the Eötvös effect. But I can't pronounce that :).
Css0317- I'm pretty sure every sniper goes into combat with a spotter, you're not really trained to work alone. The snipers of vietnam and shit went in alone and they discovered it was far better to have a spotter not only help with shots, but to keep each other fresh behind the scope when you're posted for hours and hours at a time, as well as being equipped with an automatic rifle instead of a lone sniper who would have a pistol or two. The spotter also has the ability to communicate
Its a good thing a sniper has his spotter, and a spotter has his small adjustment calculator! Even though a sniper technically could do it on paper, It would be extremley complex and take several hours to do(but snipers have that kind of time on their hands... anyway...)
@css0317- with command and other units, which would be extremely inconvinient, even possibly fatal for the shooter to have to take his eyes off the target to verify permission to engage, sooooo yea. If you're going out without a spotter or a fire team attached to you like a DM would have, something's probably wrong lol
The Eotvos effect is supposedly what causes the rise and drop of the bullet when shooting west to east and vice versa. The Coriolis effect is what supposedly changes the trajectory left or right, but should only apply if shooting north or south or some variation in between and not due east or west. The question is, can this be verified since there are so many other variables that can effect the trajectory of a bullet.
Yes Coriolis affect Israel and it can be verified. But it's such a small thing it really only matters past a hundred yards. The long-range shooters of Utah will talk about it and explain it better for you. Most people get the physics incorrect, but they're not physicists so I forgive them. If you're shooting out to a mile then you might want to consider. If you're using a ballistics calculator it's usually included in the formulas. You just have to include what directions you're shooting And how far north you are or south on the planet.
@@dankuchar6821 Computers don't count as the algorithms are proprietary and cannot be scrutinized. Show me one 'real' long-range sniper that accounts for Coriolis not using a computer. I'll wait...
Which only proves you don't use it when you shoot a rifle. By the time you figure that calculation your target has moved. There is also the wind to compensate for yet we have men hitting targets at more than a thousand yards on the battle field and no mention of well I calculated blah blah blah. There are also admissions from the honest that they never use it.
Due to the fact that at the equater it spins 1036mph and at 40deg where the circumference is less it spins about 750mph You would need your precise location and your targets This is bullshit.
If shooting you need to account for the fact the earth is spinning under the bullet, then why can't I see the earth spinning under the airplane when I go flying?
Because the plane is also traveling at 1000 mph to the east just like EVERYTHING else, at the equator. As you approach the poles, this number dwindles down to zero, because the pole travels no distance. It only rotates. Therefore, the farther I fly north or south, the more I have to adjust my course left or right because if when I took off I was going 1000 MPH, where ever I fly to the north or south, the speed will be less. If I am heading north, my correction will be to the left, and when I go south, it is to the right. Obviously you have never actually fired a bullet that far, and you are obviously NOT a pilot. Therefore, your opinion is irrelevant. Let the adults do the thinking, shooting, and flying if you can't wrap your head around it.
@@ChopperDoc181 ok you the adult man who knows.. Because this person asked you a question, you clearly didn't like therefore you have to come with the derogatory comment about him as a person. Really an Adult answer.. As an Adult.. , Can you take off with a helicopter and stand still in air until the Earth has spun around till you reach your destination, as long it is within the Coriolis effect arc line witch the helicopter stand.. ? (yes, badly explained, but you understand the question. You are an adult after all.)
@@comfusedWorldpassanger3399 Can you open a soda in a car without it spraying you in the face at 70 MPH? I mean, the car you're in is moving forward at 70 MPH, and the soda isn't moving, so wouldn't it hit you in the face at 70 MPH? It should right? That's your argument.
@@ChopperDoc181 why not just answer the Q. ? When the groud/the Earth is, as u say, spinning at 1000MPH, Why can`t a helicopter take off, stand still in the air till it Reach...…. Soda in a car?
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Yes, East/West has a gravity correction factor for caused by the change in centrifugal acceleration resulting from eastbound or westbound velocity, which is the Eötvös effect. But I can't pronounce that :).
Css0317- I'm pretty sure every sniper goes into combat with a spotter, you're not really trained to work alone. The snipers of vietnam and shit went in alone and they discovered it was far better to have a spotter not only help with shots, but to keep each other fresh behind the scope when you're posted for hours and hours at a time, as well as being equipped with an automatic rifle instead of a lone sniper who would have a pistol or two. The spotter also has the ability to communicate
One can imagine in the distant future that at planetary bombardment/orbital ranges you'd need to start factoring relativistic effects in as well.
Its a good thing a sniper has his spotter, and a spotter has his small adjustment calculator!
Even though a sniper technically could do it on paper, It would be extremley complex and take several hours to do(but snipers have that kind of time on their hands... anyway...)
Depending on how the shot is.this does come into play..along with wind variations,ambient temperatures,and spin drift.
If I were wrong, don't you think I'd know it? Firing east, you hit high, west you hit low.
like wind! the biggest killer of all sniper patch and squad hopefuls
@css0317- with command and other units, which would be extremely inconvinient, even possibly fatal for the shooter to have to take his eyes off the target to verify permission to engage, sooooo yea. If you're going out without a spotter or a fire team attached to you like a DM would have, something's probably wrong lol
The Eotvos effect is supposedly what causes the rise and drop of the bullet when shooting west to east and vice versa. The Coriolis effect is what supposedly changes the trajectory left or right, but should only apply if shooting north or south or some variation in between and not due east or west. The question is, can this be verified since there are so many other variables that can effect the trajectory of a bullet.
Yes Coriolis affect Israel and it can be verified. But it's such a small thing it really only matters past a hundred yards. The long-range shooters of Utah will talk about it and explain it better for you. Most people get the physics incorrect, but they're not physicists so I forgive them. If you're shooting out to a mile then you might want to consider. If you're using a ballistics calculator it's usually included in the formulas. You just have to include what directions you're shooting And how far north you are or south on the planet.
@@dankuchar6821 Computers don't count as the algorithms are proprietary and cannot be scrutinized. Show me one 'real' long-range sniper that accounts for Coriolis not using a computer. I'll wait...
so how do you calculate if you were at the north pole?
how many inches of lead will you need in order to make a 1000 yd shot. from east to west.?
its quicker when you can do it all in your head. the brain is geared for making spatial calculations like that
How is the curvature 'different' at different points of the earth?
I don't think that's possible on a sphere lol
The earth isn’t a sphere.
Due to rotation of the earth, and the fluid of the mantle, the equator bulges out from what a sphere would be.
i need the programe who calculate the coriolis effect
So that's why I've been missing my sniper shots from a thousand yards....
Ive never missed.
Not even with a .22 Mossberg
what about spin drift
Which only proves you don't use it when you shoot a rifle. By the time you figure that calculation your target has moved. There is also the wind to compensate for yet we have men hitting targets at more than a thousand yards on the battle field and no mention of well I calculated blah blah blah. There are also admissions from the honest that they never use it.
@css0317 How can you ever take quick shots if you don't know the theory behind it?
Theory of which ... takes months to learn. Nevermind hours.
Due to the fact that at the equater it spins 1036mph and at 40deg where the circumference is less it spins about 750mph You would need your precise location and your targets This is bullshit.
hello
Shooting east or west does NOT make the bullet rise or fall. There is no difference because the target and shooter are moving at the same rate!
If shooting you need to account for the fact the earth is spinning under the bullet, then why can't I see the earth spinning under the airplane when I go flying?
BlueAeroVanilla the airplane has control surfaces that are constantly being adjusted by the pilot to stay on course.
BS! how then airplanes would land on carousel rotating 1000 miles an hour. make complicated computer program for that.
Because the plane is also traveling at 1000 mph to the east just like EVERYTHING else, at the equator. As you approach the poles, this number dwindles down to zero, because the pole travels no distance. It only rotates. Therefore, the farther I fly north or south, the more I have to adjust my course left or right because if when I took off I was going 1000 MPH, where ever I fly to the north or south, the speed will be less. If I am heading north, my correction will be to the left, and when I go south, it is to the right. Obviously you have never actually fired a bullet that far, and you are obviously NOT a pilot. Therefore, your opinion is irrelevant. Let the adults do the thinking, shooting, and flying if you can't wrap your head around it.
@@ChopperDoc181 ok you the adult man who knows.. Because this person asked you a question, you clearly didn't like therefore you have to come with the derogatory comment about him as a person. Really an Adult answer..
As an Adult.. , Can you take off with a helicopter and stand still in air until the Earth has spun around till you reach your destination, as long it is within the Coriolis effect arc line witch the helicopter stand.. ?
(yes, badly explained, but you understand the question. You are an adult after all.)
@@comfusedWorldpassanger3399 Can you open a soda in a car without it spraying you in the face at 70 MPH? I mean, the car you're in is moving forward at 70 MPH, and the soda isn't moving, so wouldn't it hit you in the face at 70 MPH? It should right? That's your argument.
@@ChopperDoc181 why not just answer the Q. ? When the groud/the Earth is, as u say, spinning at 1000MPH, Why can`t a helicopter take off, stand still in the air till it Reach...…. Soda in a car?