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  • @petehall889
    @petehall889 6 месяцев назад +44

    Always pleasure watching this film. My father flew a Wellington (Serial no. DV600) on the first two Thousand Bomber raids, Cologne and Essen. He was between tours of ops, training others to fly at 25 O.T.U. RAF Finningley. As maximum effort raids, everyone was roped in, so he gathered a scratch crew and off they went. His first tour with 61 Sqn was on Hampdens and Manchesters, the second on Lancs. The language is accurate for the time. My father was well-spoken, but not as affected as a few depicted in the film. Nice to see some VR (Volunteer Reserve) insignia on a few collars. My father wore his for most of the war. I still have them, along with his Irvin Jacket, caps, gloves and much other kit, even his white overalls and flying helmet with Gosport Tubes from his early training days, flying Hawker Hart, Hind and Audax biplane. So much I would like to ask him now if he were still here...

    • @samrodian919
      @samrodian919 3 месяца назад +4

      That's a nice collection to remember you father by sir.

    • @walterkronkitesleftshoe6684
      @walterkronkitesleftshoe6684 2 месяца назад +1

      Its good to know those artifacts are still rightfully cherished. My father's lifebelt that saved his life after the sinking of his ship HMS Dorsetshire in the Indian ocean on 5th April 1942 is proudly on display in the Merseyside maritime museum.

    • @petehall889
      @petehall889 2 месяца назад +1

      @@samrodian919 Thank you very much indeed. My son will look after them after I'm gone, which is nice to know.

  • @richardwhitelock7779
    @richardwhitelock7779 6 месяцев назад +28

    My dad lead a crew to maintain all electrical, bomb aiming and wireless equipment. Funny thing but they made him a gunnery instructor but he was so short sighted he could hardly see the sights at the end of the rifle. Bless him gone but never forgotten!

  • @goodshipkaraboudjan
    @goodshipkaraboudjan 6 месяцев назад +44

    This is awesome. My Great Uncle flew Wellies and then Lancs with the RAAF in the Med and over Europe. He died over the Dutch coast. As a pilot myself in my 30s I can't imagine what a flak barrage would be like. Tough blokes.

    • @stargazer5784
      @stargazer5784 6 месяцев назад +19

      A friend of mine was a radio operator and navigator on a B-24. He flew 26 daylight missions over Germany. He told me that the flak bursts sounded like huge dogs barking at your plane by the thousands. The most frightening part of the mission was the bomb run over the target when the pilot had to fly straight and level through the flak. The bombardier had control of the plane then and all you could do was hunker down and pray. At least when fighters attacked you could shoot back... All should tip a glass to your Great Uncle. He was a very brave man and a member of the Greatest Generation. Cheers.

    • @josephbarker5883
      @josephbarker5883 3 месяца назад +1

      👍❤️🥃

    • @jamiejones7325
      @jamiejones7325 Месяц назад +2

      Teaching in Canada and around world impressed the sense of ‘cousin’ Brit, Aussie, kiwi would be happy one big country again. And they live next to USA.
      Sadly feminizing the monarchy ruined plans for reunification. When teaching in Hong Kong we learned you could not only go the British embassy or consulates in trouble or passport etc replacement, but Canadian, Australian and New Zealand too.
      American colleagues actually jealous.😉
      Shame won’t happen now especially high hopes after Brexit.

    • @gibson617ajg
      @gibson617ajg Месяц назад +2

      I'm sure that you are very proud of your Great Uncle - rightly so! I suppose you're aware that Barnes Wallace designed the Vickers Wellington? He designed some 'other stuff' too 😉.

    • @pcka12
      @pcka12 12 дней назад +1

      ​@@stargazer5784I find all of this a bit weird, my parents, aunts & uncles were part of what you call 'the greatest generation', my grandparents great Aunts, Uncles the Great War generation yet because I & my siblings were born in the fifties & sixties prepared for nuclear war we are decried as 'boomers'?!

  • @bitterdrinker
    @bitterdrinker 6 месяцев назад +38

    This film was mentioned in the excellent BBC series The Secret War. The crew of F for Freddie were a real bomber crew and none of them survived the war.

    • @joylunn3445
      @joylunn3445 6 месяцев назад +19

      The pilot was Percy Pickard who was killed on the Amiens Prison raid in 1944.

    • @markfryer9880
      @markfryer9880 6 месяцев назад +12

      Lest We Forget!

    • @richardvernon317
      @richardvernon317 6 месяцев назад +12

      The Navigator from F for Freddie in the film (James Mccloy) did survive the war as he was in the RAF Museum's Wellington explaining about the navigation for bombers before and after the introduction of the GEE system in the episode that had the clips from the film (To See a Hundred Miles). The second pilot, Gordon Woollatt also survived the war. What the TV narration did say is neither the Wellington, or its Pilot (Pickard) survived the war.

    • @samrodian919
      @samrodian919 3 месяца назад +7

      @@joylunn3445in fact Charles Pickard led the Amiens raid. He only got shot down because he hung around to make sure everything went according to plan. There was a German fighter airfield very close to Amiens and they were scrambled as it was in progress started and that's how Picard and his navigator were shot down and killed.
      RIP all the 55,573 volunteers of Bomber Command air crew killed during the war. Brave souls all.

    • @sullybiker6520
      @sullybiker6520 2 месяца назад +1

      @@samrodian919 The high-risk Mosquito missions claimed a lot of big names. Incredibly brave men, all.

  • @cliveyb5326
    @cliveyb5326 6 месяцев назад +17

    My late father was flying Wellies as a WOP/AG out of Mildenhall, 149 sqdn (OJ lettering) .It's now a USAF base. In Dec. 1939 they had a daylight raid over the Kiel canal. They lost 10 planes from the 22 that attacked the target , most were shot down over the North Sea on returning to base. This is why they went to night ops. Another good movie to watch is , "One of our aircraft is missing".

    • @geoffw8565
      @geoffw8565 3 месяца назад

      Perhaps Millerton in this film is supposed to represent Mildenhall ?

  • @ianrawlings2546
    @ianrawlings2546 6 месяцев назад +19

    These things could fly home with large patches of the fabric skin burnt off and the geodetic framework exposed. Barnes Wallace was such a bloody genius. Awesome aircraft.

    • @georgielancaster1356
      @georgielancaster1356 3 месяца назад +2

      A Jewish chap, whose name I have shamefully forgotten, was the genius who realised the most important things to note, was the damage on all the planes that returned, AND THEN REINFORCING THE AREAS OF THE PLANE NOT DAMAGED.
      As he pointed out, those damages still got the planes home. What was needed, was reinforcing areas damaged that meant the planes did not return.

  • @mainlander6299
    @mainlander6299 6 месяцев назад +7

    I have heard the chaps of F for Freddie so many times on audio cd, quite odd seeing them. Jock looks much younger than he sounded. These films are a window in time and I never tire of them.

  • @Riccardo_Silva
    @Riccardo_Silva 3 месяца назад +2

    What a fine movie! It always astounds me that, during that immense tragedy of WW2, it was possible to produce such good films!

  • @markgordon2260
    @markgordon2260 5 месяцев назад +9

    Wonderful film. My Great-Uncle was RAAF, and a WOp/AG in a 70 Squadron RAF Mk X Wellington flying out of Foggia in 1944. Unfortunately he and crew were killed over Hungary on the night of October 20/21, 1944, on their ~34th mission (the limit was higher than the 30 for crews based out of the UK).
    They were shot down by Josef Kraft, then of 7/NJG6, who ended the war with 56 kills, and was the 13th ranked night fighter pilot. He had three kills that night.

    • @sullybiker6520
      @sullybiker6520 2 месяца назад

      It's a great tragedy that Bomber Command never really got to grips with the night-fighter threat; particularly the underside attack (which they denied for the longest time was happening, despite some survivors and rumors gathered from smuggled POW intelligence). The night fighters and their ghastly shrage-musik attack were completely unopposed.

  • @tomarmstrong1281
    @tomarmstrong1281 6 месяцев назад +16

    It's very difficult to watch. Those guys knew they were outgunned, outclassed, outnumbered and would be lucky to return alive. I am also a pilot and know that if I had an emergency, everyone on the ground would be there to offer assistance. The crew of those bombers knew that everyone on the ground over enemy territory was doing their best to kill them, but they still went.

    • @georgielancaster1356
      @georgielancaster1356 3 месяца назад +1

      Depended at what time of the war. By the end of the war, the most experienced German air crew were exhausted. They were not spelled like the Brits.
      And they were losing so many pilots that many were getting half the training that the early men got, let alone previous experience before the war started.
      Many of the new.German boys had little hope of surviving.

  • @PercyPruneMHDOIFandBars
    @PercyPruneMHDOIFandBars 6 месяцев назад +9

    For all these commenters referring to "wellies", that's waterproof rubber footwear. These aircraft were known almost universally as "Wimpeys"! Named after a character in the Popeye cartoon strip. They served throughout the war and even after. I think the last operational flights were into the 1950's!!

  • @jonathanryan5860
    @jonathanryan5860 7 дней назад

    What a wonderful find. The film was in Incredible condition. Trying to make the whole operation look simple and just a 'matter of fact'. The 'Wellies' did so much of the bombing, especially at the early part of the war, then the Lancaster became the truly 'heavy' bomber.

  • @brianperry
    @brianperry 9 дней назад +1

    The Officer who played the principal pilot was Percy Charles Pickard he was a very experienced pilot with over 2000 hours flying time in WW2. Pickard and his Navigator, flying a Mosquito were later shot down and killed by a FW190 whilst attacking the Prison in Amiens...

  • @redskindan78
    @redskindan78 3 месяца назад +2

    Superb. I watched this a few years ago -- and thank you Armoured Carrier -- but came back after watching "Masters of the Air", the series about the US 100th Bomb Group. Just wanted to see this again, to see the real people. Incidentally, my Uncle Ivan was a waist gunner on a B-17, so, in a way, this movie helps to keep alive all my uncles and my dad: he was an aviation machinist's mate in the USN, so all of Armoured Carrier's posts about FAA are more than just history.

    • @georgielancaster1356
      @georgielancaster1356 3 месяца назад +1

      Have you listened to the podcast episode with a chap who was involved with Masters of the air - forgive me if I get the name wrong. I don't have a tv. The episodes on the Mighty 8th and some of the old episodes might be enjoyable for you, too.
      Angus Wallace's WW2podcast is very good, too.

  • @johndonaldredmond3990
    @johndonaldredmond3990 6 месяцев назад +8

    The many accents show the international composition of the RAF: English, Scots, Canadians, Australian, Welsh, Irish, etc. Many of the senior officers speak in the now-rare RP.

    • @redskindan78
      @redskindan78 3 месяца назад +2

      I was about to ask, so I looked it up: "RP" is the "Received Pronunciation", which I tend to call the upper class / Cambridge - Oxford / Public School / BBC accent.

    • @georgielancaster1356
      @georgielancaster1356 3 месяца назад +3

      When you are talking about Oxford/Cambridge, together, you can shorten that to Oxbridge.
      There are still little differences, but in general, you can put them down as Public School, which of course, in the US, and most other places, is Private Schools.

  • @StrixvariaCraig
    @StrixvariaCraig 6 месяцев назад +4

    Great film !

  • @JILOA
    @JILOA 2 месяца назад +2

    Every time I see movies about these bombers I think of my landlady telling me about her son being killed on his last bombing mission during WW2. This was back in the 70's.

  • @geoffroberts1126
    @geoffroberts1126 3 месяца назад +5

    If I recall correctly, the WAAF doing the Photo interpretation is none other than Constance Babbington-Smith, who wrote the wartime history of RAF Photographic Intelligence 'Evidence in Camera' - named after an internal magazine within the RAF PR community of the same name.

    • @walterkronkitesleftshoe6684
      @walterkronkitesleftshoe6684 2 месяца назад

      If you search carefully online, you will find the 1970s BBC documentary series "The Secret War". In one of the episodes (covering the development of advanced German aircraft during WW2) you will find an interview with Constance, discussing her work with RAF photographic intelligence.... She was in her 70s then but her mind was STILL as sharp as a razor.

    • @geoffroberts1126
      @geoffroberts1126 2 месяца назад +1

      @@walterkronkitesleftshoe6684 Yes, I've seen that series. She shows, using her WW2 gear, how she identified the V1 and V2 'vengeance weapons' from covers of Peenemunde where they were developed and tested and which lead to the famous air raid on the site by Bomber Command. R. V. Jones also appears. He wrote 'Most Secret War' which detailed his experience as head of scientific intelligence for the UK during WW2 and was the first to explain in detail, amongst other things, the role of Bletchley Park and the decryption of the Engima and Geheimschreiber devices which until then, had remained, 'Most Secret'. It also demonstrated that the UK had the first true computer, 'Colossus' which was dedicated to the Geheimschreiber, (Fish machine) beating the US which believed it held that record, by some years.

    • @samrodian919
      @samrodian919 11 дней назад

      Yes I thought so too. She was the one to discover the first sight V1 on a trailer at Penemunde

  • @kohl57
    @kohl57 6 месяцев назад +4

    Thank you for this lovely print of this classic made in a now long vanished era of confidence, patriotism and stiff upper lips. That dates it more than the special effects (!) How many people know there was a pretty successful commercial airliner version of the Wellington after the war: the Vickers Viking? You had to step over the wing spar in the middle of the cabin if seated in the rear!

    • @rogersmith9579
      @rogersmith9579 3 месяца назад +2

      You're right about the Viking, several variations including one fitted with Nene jet engines flew to France and back in 1948

    • @georgielancaster1356
      @georgielancaster1356 3 месяца назад

      The Lancaster was twiddled with, post war, to produce the Lancastrian, to fly commercially.

  • @philipinchina
    @philipinchina 10 дней назад +1

    First rate. Thank you.

  • @DaveSCameron
    @DaveSCameron 6 месяцев назад +8

    And Germany actually believed they were going to beat us! #OurHistory

    • @petehall889
      @petehall889 6 месяцев назад +4

      Well said, sir! We don't give up, even against the odds. It's a British thing...

    • @DaveSCameron
      @DaveSCameron 6 месяцев назад +3

      @@petehall889 Even if it takes us a long while to get started we have shown repeatedly what we are capable of and I encourage all to remember this. #respect

  • @yomama8873
    @yomama8873 4 месяца назад +1

    Thank you 🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩💖💖💖💖

  • @cleekmaker00
    @cleekmaker00 5 месяцев назад +3

    The RAF sure had their own way of doing things...

  • @ronaldlucas5360
    @ronaldlucas5360 6 месяцев назад +1

    Enjoyed the video

  • @user-hl3so1ok7n
    @user-hl3so1ok7n 7 дней назад

    Gives a good insight into the backroom boys and girls who all played their part in the final victory!

  • @josephbednarz-ek6fz
    @josephbednarz-ek6fz 3 месяца назад +1

    This is great, haven't finished the movie yet, all black &white,
    Perfect British manners in the office, in fact a British movie!

  • @roop46b
    @roop46b 3 месяца назад +3

    I Just love those accents. I am from Southern England (The Home Counties), possibly the home of the posh accent , in my early 60s ,but I have never heard anyone talk like that and I was brought up in a military officer´s upper middle class family. Were these actors? Judging by the stilted talking I doubt it but it's hard to believe that all officers spoke like that. It seems then that when that generation died the accent died with them.

    • @robert-trading-as-Bob69
      @robert-trading-as-Bob69 29 дней назад

      These were the actual pilots and crew and ground crew in this movie.
      The crew of F-Freddie did not survive the war.
      That accent survived the war in South Africa at least, I recall it from my childhood in the 1970's.
      It's gone now, though, along with that generation.

    • @samrodian919
      @samrodian919 11 дней назад +1

      If you read the introduction, it stated that the people in the film were in fact serving RAF personnel doing their normal duties and playing their own rank.

  • @simonf8902
    @simonf8902 6 месяцев назад +5

    Barnes Wallis of the bouncing bomb.

    • @PercyPruneMHDOIFandBars
      @PercyPruneMHDOIFandBars 6 месяцев назад +3

      He also designed Tallboy and Grand Slam. The biggest non-nuclear bombs dropped!

  • @fuzzfacelogic789
    @fuzzfacelogic789 6 месяцев назад +4

    What!? Am I seeing things, choke was a 'pillow' over the intake?

    • @PercyPruneMHDOIFandBars
      @PercyPruneMHDOIFandBars 6 месяцев назад +4

      It was a rolled up engine cover, but yes. That was SOP in certain conditions! Lol

  • @simonf8902
    @simonf8902 6 месяцев назад +3

    Traffic controller. Heathrow. Today. Ok BA off you off you good chaps. Thank yo

  • @simonf8902
    @simonf8902 6 месяцев назад +2

    All the advances in design and technology shown here have contributed to the civil aero planes of 21 st Century.

  • @rosewhite---
    @rosewhite--- 5 месяцев назад +3

    8:36 Percy Charles Pickard

    • @jonathansteadman7935
      @jonathansteadman7935 4 месяца назад +2

      'pick' Pickard. Died on the Amiens raid flying a Mosquito.

    • @samrodian919
      @samrodian919 11 дней назад

      @@jonathansteadman7935 Leading the raid as a Group Captain. Equivalent Army rank of Colonel

  • @pisstinpete4700
    @pisstinpete4700 6 месяцев назад +2

    Anyone remember an episode of the goon show about “cloth bombers”? That s wellies I think

    • @petehall889
      @petehall889 6 месяцев назад

      The Goons were great, but I don't remember the episode. Certainly, the Wellington was covered with varnished fabric over a geodetic alloy frame.

    • @pisstinpete4700
      @pisstinpete4700 6 месяцев назад +2

      Not much protection from flak unfortunately

  • @gangleweed
    @gangleweed 11 дней назад

    Fantastic film ....I just had to watch Those Magnificent Men and Their Flying Mahine with Terry Thomas doing the aristocratic gentleman thing and lording it over his underling manservant.......so typically British.

  • @MrBugleboyb
    @MrBugleboyb 3 месяца назад +1

    Wellingtons ?

    • @georgielancaster1356
      @georgielancaster1356 3 месяца назад +1

      Lancaster first flown January 41.
      First introduced in.active service, July? 1942
      This is a 41 film.
      I think they mention wellington a few times.

  • @johnread2250
    @johnread2250 Месяц назад

    Amazing how the diction of the English language has changed. Not for the better I may add

  • @timwhiskerd2133
    @timwhiskerd2133 5 месяцев назад

    Where is Feihausen ?

    • @judebrad
      @judebrad 5 месяцев назад

      It's a fictional generic town - but probably based on the Ruhr district.

    • @petehall889
      @petehall889 4 месяца назад +3

      The film actually mentions Freihausen, on the right bank of the Rhine, 15 miles north of Freiburg, which is in the Black Forest of Southern Germany. The Ruhr is in Western Germany (Duisburg, Durtmund, Essen, Hamm area).

  • @jaksongpg
    @jaksongpg 3 месяца назад

    Is that Norman Wisdom at 11:40

    • @georgielancaster1356
      @georgielancaster1356 3 месяца назад

      I looked at the wrong spot but then checked again. I don't think so.
      11:40.

  • @michaelw2816
    @michaelw2816 6 месяцев назад +4

    In 1941 the British government's own Butt expert report found that only one in four crews dropped bombs at night within five miles of their target.

    • @petehall889
      @petehall889 6 месяцев назад +8

      Yes, it's quite right that bombing in the early years was pretty inaccurate. My father was always keen to bomb on target. In 1941 over Aachen, his Hampden Bomber was held by about 20 searchlights, then attacked by a JU88 nightfighter, sustaining significant damage to his starboard mainplane and engine. He still made four runs over the target at low level before making sure the bombs were dropped on target. He landed on one wheel when he returned, as the other had been shot away by canon fire. His letter to his father about the incident gives a great first hand account, corroborated by his official immediate DFC award citation. All aircrew were brave volunteers, whom we should never forget...

  • @patrickrichards2577
    @patrickrichards2577 Месяц назад

    ✨🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿✨🥰✨👍✨♥️✨🤗✨.

  • @downunderrob
    @downunderrob 6 месяцев назад +3

    Tally ho, chaps! 😂

    • @philipr1567
      @philipr1567 6 месяцев назад +2

      That's the fighter pilots. Bomber boys were more likely to say: "Wizard show".

    • @downunderrob
      @downunderrob 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@philipr1567 By Jove, that's spiffing! 🤣

    • @PercyPruneMHDOIFandBars
      @PercyPruneMHDOIFandBars 6 месяцев назад +1

      Actually old boy, it'd be a Wizard Prang! Don't forget the line-shoot. "The flak was so thick, I could get out and walk about on it!" 😂

    • @philipr1567
      @philipr1567 6 месяцев назад

      @@PercyPruneMHDOIFandBars Then he pranged the bally kite!

    • @georgielancaster1356
      @georgielancaster1356 3 месяца назад

      Tally Ho! was shouted on definitely identifying a German plane.at a distance. It was a matter of pride to be first - but you would look really stupid, if you got it wrong.
      You also had Bandits sighted.

  • @worthington3637
    @worthington3637 6 месяцев назад +4

    Cor blimey guvnor! What blinking language are they speaking in. It looks like you have to say things between a slitted mouth. Especially the WAAFs.

    • @johnwilson6721
      @johnwilson6721 6 месяцев назад +7

      That was how many people spoke in those days. It does sound odd now, but it does have the merit for me at least of being readily understood, unlike today's jabbering.

    • @philipr1567
      @philipr1567 6 месяцев назад +2

      It's hard to speak 'normally' with a stiff upper lip!
      Over-enunciating was rife (Celia Johnson and Ralph Richardson were two of the best) - that was the way people spoke in films, on the BBC, and in many public schools, copied by middle class people who wanted to appear posh..

    • @petehall889
      @petehall889 6 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@philipr1567Quite right. My father was public school educated and his father was an English teacher, so he was well-spoken, but not with as affected an accent as some.

    • @fuzzfacelogic789
      @fuzzfacelogic789 6 месяцев назад +1

      I know a an ex pom now in '24 who still talks a little like that.

    • @johnwilson6721
      @johnwilson6721 6 месяцев назад

      I think the RAF speech was in line with the sort of speech you can hear in recordings from the '30s. Actors certainly copied and exaggerated it, as they did with working-class speech. I have no record of my own speech from the '50s but suspect that my public school speech was somewhere between that on the film and today's RP.@@philipr1567

  • @user-jy2qp8gp2l
    @user-jy2qp8gp2l 3 месяца назад +2

    Fajny film