From what I understand, calcium carbonate moves PH, not Calcium chloride. Most of the liquids sold for plotting, contain chloride. Sure, if your soil test tells you that you need just calcium added, any of the 3 will add calcium.
Looking into this myself as applying a liquid seems all to easy compared to dragging in a ton (or more) of 50# bags- either crushed or pelletized into a remote location via ATV. Yeah, I saw the claims of a 1.5 gal jug being the equivalent of 1 ton of lime. But what hasn't been stated is how many of those jugs I'd have to apply to raise my pH by a full point. I have one plot at 5.5 and another at 5.9. Without consulting the makers of these products I won't know what to expect. That said, one thing that has been stated by online sellers is that the increase in pH (however big/small that may be), only lasts for "3 to 10 months"- suggesting, you'd have to apply this stuff annually. My guess (and correct me if I'm wrong), the finer the particle of calcium carbonate that exists in these liquids, the faster it'll be consumed if the soil is acidic- as opposed to a larger particle that may or may not decompose depending on the amount of water (rain) you get. Since most of the seed suppliers that I've talked to state their seed does well in my type of soil, perhaps all I'd need is a temporary boost to facilitate germination and growth. While liquid CCEs of 68% may be more expensive compared to the crushed lime itself, if I can avoid the backbreaking work of dealing with crushed lime, the expense may be a worthwhile tradeoff as I know of no farmer local to my plot area that would have the equipment needed to distribute 1-2 tons of lime! I need to ask more questions of the makers of these liquid products- namely what is their guaranteed increase in pH given my soil type, which has a higher clay content......
Understand this wasn't made too change ph long term. Its designed to get plots out where you don't have the time for lime too work which takes about 6 months plus too work. Its not a long term fix.
I actually used this last year. I hunt on timber company land, so I'm surrounded by pines. It was my 4th time to even try food plots. Most of them didn't do so well. This one did GREAT! It grew thick and the deer loved it. Never did a soil test. No way of knowing if it had a big change to pH.
One of my clints in southern pine/clay county in GA put 6 tons of lime on an acre. Its growing well and a deer magnet. You cant buy enough liquid to change pH in this soul. Calcium probably loosed the soul and made it easier for roots to find nutrients
Chicory, arrow leaf clover, radishes, Oates and winter peas. I am putting down lime this year with the plot start. I'm hunting a new lease in river bottom area. I believe the lime is a better long term solution. I hunt in southeast Texas.
Mississippi State did an excellent comparison of cost vs neutralizing capacity of liquid, pelletized and ag lime. Liquid lime cost about 17x more and pelletized lime about 2.5x more than ag lime to obtain the same desired pH.
thats an interesting point. My client spent a ton of dough on liquid and we still have to purchase a truckload of lime to fix hi pH - terrible waste of money
@@ChilcoteForestryServices The reason they said it was the same was it took 139 gallons per acre to equal ag lime so it costs over $1500 an acre to get the same as $90 worth of ag lime
I was actually thinking about using this on a couple hard to get to food plots. Kinda figured it was too good to be true. Looks like I’ll be hauling in a lot of bags. Thanks for the info.
It's not to good to be true. It works great. You are overpaying for anything that includes a picture of a buck, and a widly known brand. The same liquid lime is sold in 500 gallon fertilizer totes for farmers.
@@ChilcoteForestryServices not sure how to get to your email. In short, a mole is approx 6.022*10^23 molecules. Without looking at the actual specs of the liquid lime or the normal ag/powder/pelletized lime, I would have to assume that the liquid lime has a higher % usable molecules per weight than the solid stuff that has a majority of non usable molecules to include rock debris adding to the bulk and the time it takes for it to react with the acid.
@@ericseeger462 i believe the limestone is 97% CaCO3. I think the liqid stuff helps take H Molecules out of the root zone ipon germination. The roots probably take care of the rest
@Chilcote Forestry I wouldn't think the roots would have anything to do with it, but I never did well with botany. Lol I think the liquid is just in a more reactive form, rather the powder or pellets need more time to dissolve, which in the end, can allow it to be washed away.
@@ericseeger462 roots can change the pH in the rizosphere as needed to obtain the elements they need. Exchanging either H or OH molecules depending on the charge of the needed molecules
The best way to tell if something really works on foodplots is to see if farmers are using it on there crops. Liquid Lime works and has been used by farmers for several years now. The only way it doesn't make since is if your dirt is severely low in Magnesium. Agriculture lime usually includes calcium and magnesium and the liquid stuff usually doesn't have the magnesium amounts that most soils are low in.
@@ChilcoteForestryServices The problem is that Plot Start is NOT LIME (Cal.Carbonate) that the farmers use. It IS a LIME SUBSTITUTE. The farmer's Liq. lime is much more expensive.
Ag lime does not include Magnesium it does include calcium as lime is literally calcium carbonate lol its mostly calcium. Dolomite Lime does have magnesium though
All types of lime whether agricultural or liquid are all short term which means you will need to use them yearly if the underlying problem is not corrected. Basic problem is lack of organic matter in the soil if this is corrected you rarely have to worry about lime.
Exactly. Once we get the soil amended so it will grow a diverse mix of plants and keep plants roots in the soil year round and good soil byota pH takes care of itself
Yes I did. I had a client insist on using it. Erase the $1200. I tested the soil before and 3 months later. There was little change in the acidity. I spread a truck load of lime and compost on the field.
@@ChilcoteForestryServices I think a lot of people are confused as to the purpose of liquid lime… yes , you are correct, liquid lime does not raise the ph reading of soil long term. That is a problem for the career farmer but it’s not an issue for the food plotter, especially if your planting annuals. If liquid lime elevates ph for 7-8 months, then mission accomplished. It allows plots to reach maximum potential without all the back breaking work.. I can tell you, I send more money on 40 lbs bags of pellet lime then the $50-100 on liquid lime.. When you talk about perennials and maintenance… I agree with you , the long term Benefits of lime helps. I continue to spread pellet lime and I’m almost to my 6.8ph goals but honestly, I getting tired of carting all that lime up to my field .I tell my friends… you want to hunt.. let’s go , we have work to do… Funny, everyone is busy that day!!! I don’t know how you friend is spending $1200 on liquid lime.. How much area are you talking. $100 covers the 2.25 acres I am planting.
@@jimpowell523 I used plot start on my brassica and fall blend. I also spread 75 bags of pellet lime back in May. I am taking a new approach. I will continue to spread lime until my ph is where I want it and I will use plot start which raises the calcium on top of the soil to help with germination. Bottom line.. you need lime to correct PH! I started at 5.1 in 2019 and I ‘m at 6.1 this year. Another year or two and I will just need to maintain the Ph. I am learning that plot start will not help fertilizer absorb into the plant. The only fix for that is Lime.
The fact that someone would refer to Jeff as the Godfather of food plots is a testament to his tremendous self marketing skill. He is the godfather of marketing to this audience. He is amazing at it.
@@joecianfarani6951 It really shows you haven't been around food plotting or deer hunting long to think Jeff is the Godfather of food plotting. How many views a person has nothing to do with their knowledge base either.
I have all the farm equipment needed to plant successful plots. I cannot access my fields with the equipment needed to spread AG Lime but I do spread 3- 5 tons of pellet lime each year. F -THAT!!! This is supposed to be enjoyable! I discovered liquid lime will raise PH for the entire season. You will need to re-apply liquid lime each year but hell, I was applying pellet lime each year as anyway. You sound like you know your math but you make a lot of assumptions about liquid lime throughout this video. I see no empirical data that supports your argument.
If you have to apply lime every year there's something else going on with your system that's not working. You're welcome to give me a call to discuss if you like
@@ChilcoteForestryServices I am from a farming family and they all use Aglime, this liquid lime and tons of other products ever year. My stepfather, mom, and brother have semi loads of aglime, semi loads of liquid lime, and other liquid fertilizers delivered and used every year. They grow 400 to 600 acres of vegetable crops like watermelons, squash and others. The marketing for this liquid lime is what cost people trying to grow food plots so much money but the product itself isn't bad. They can buy the real stuff in containers not covered by big buck pictures and advertisements and get the job done.
@@jessemoore7696 I agree, I'm not worried about the money. I'm only planting a total of 2.5 acres of food plots on my 50 total acres. The convenience of utilizing liquid lime is a bonus. I still spread pellet lime but the boost from the liquid lime helps when the weather is not cooperating, and the fields are wet from a harsh winter. Just knowing liquid lime is an option takes the stress of planting food plots. I get so much mixed advised, I'm not sure who to believe. I was lead to believe pellet lime will only last one year in the soil. I was also told pellet lime is the same as AG Lime and will last just as long. I'm finding that spreading 2 pallets of pellet lime (120-130 bags) of the 2.5 acres annually, is increasing my Ph by about 1/2 of a point or .4 seems more realistic. I'm not sure why certain college studies are saying that pellet lime only lasts one year. It's taking about a year for me to even see the results. I'm still not sure what the correct answer is when comparing pellet lime to AG Lime!
@@Rcol4427 For the past 6 years, I have used only pellet lime on my 2.5 ac. and have not even used 100 bags total in 6 yrs. I know my plot chem. now so I only do a soil test every 2 yrs. for the non test year, I add 34-0-0, 0-0-6, and plant. This year I am trying Plot Start and will see if it helps, but like said above, I only care about it getting us through December.
If professional farmers use it, you can believe that it works. Professional farmers use this stuff, they just happen to buy it in 500 gallon containers instead of 2 1/2 gallon containers with a picture of a deer on it.
do disrespect to farmers, but...they've ruining the lands ability to provide food for decades. Most of them dont know anything about soil health. They know how to apply chemicals to grow crops. This is unsustainable.
@@jessemoore7696 But are they using real liquid lime (has Cal. Carbonate in it to neutralize acid) or are they using liquid lime substitute (Plot Start, with NO Cal Carb.)?
Maybe you should have your numbers and facts straight before you make a video. The information in this video is completely wrong and misleading people even more.
Crickets....I figured as much. AS for informing myself, I have a couple degrees and consulted with a pHD level soil scientist prior to making this video.
I dont think the plot starter is the way to go..... but their plot boost! Its a game changer. It will Make your fall food plot jump tremendously and they(deer) pound it
@@ChilcoteForestryServices same company. But its in a small brown jug. You spray you fall crops with it after a week or so of germination. I sprayed this on over half of my ½acre food plot (brassicas). The rest I didn't. It only made it inches tall. The treated brassicas made it to 14-16 Inches. Deer hammered them till March here in mississippi.
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From what I understand, calcium carbonate moves PH, not Calcium chloride. Most of the liquids sold for plotting, contain chloride. Sure, if your soil test tells you that you need just calcium added, any of the 3 will add calcium.
It's not the calcium that changes p h it's the carbonate part of the molecule
@@ChilcoteForestryServices correct, thats what I commented and agreed..
Looking into this myself as applying a liquid seems all to easy compared to dragging in a ton (or more) of 50# bags- either crushed or pelletized into a remote location via ATV. Yeah, I saw the claims of a 1.5 gal jug being the equivalent of 1 ton of lime. But what hasn't been stated is how many of those jugs I'd have to apply to raise my pH by a full point. I have one plot at 5.5 and another at 5.9. Without consulting the makers of these products I won't know what to expect. That said, one thing that has been stated by online sellers is that the increase in pH (however big/small that may be), only lasts for "3 to 10 months"- suggesting, you'd have to apply this stuff annually. My guess (and correct me if I'm wrong), the finer the particle of calcium carbonate that exists in these liquids, the faster it'll be consumed if the soil is acidic- as opposed to a larger particle that may or may not decompose depending on the amount of water (rain) you get.
Since most of the seed suppliers that I've talked to state their seed does well in my type of soil, perhaps all I'd need is a temporary boost to facilitate germination and growth. While liquid CCEs of 68% may be more expensive compared to the crushed lime itself, if I can avoid the backbreaking work of dealing with crushed lime, the expense may be a worthwhile tradeoff as I know of no farmer local to my plot area that would have the equipment needed to distribute 1-2 tons of lime! I need to ask more questions of the makers of these liquid products- namely what is their guaranteed increase in pH given my soil type, which has a higher clay content......
Theres a lot to unravel there. Im on the road all day your welcome to give me a call after 2
Understand this wasn't made too change ph long term. Its designed to get plots out where you don't have the time for lime too work which takes about 6 months plus too work. Its not a long term fix.
I get what you are saying but it doesnt change the pH much at all, even short term
I actually used this last year. I hunt on timber company land, so I'm surrounded by pines. It was my 4th time to even try food plots. Most of them didn't do so well. This one did GREAT! It grew thick and the deer loved it. Never did a soil test. No way of knowing if it had a big change to pH.
What did you plant?
One of my clints in southern pine/clay county in GA put 6 tons of lime on an acre. Its growing well and a deer magnet. You cant buy enough liquid to change pH in this soul. Calcium probably loosed the soul and made it easier for roots to find nutrients
Chicory, arrow leaf clover, radishes, Oates and winter peas. I am putting down lime this year with the plot start. I'm hunting a new lease in river bottom area. I believe the lime is a better long term solution. I hunt in southeast Texas.
Mississippi State did an excellent comparison of cost vs neutralizing capacity of liquid, pelletized and ag lime. Liquid lime cost about 17x more and pelletized lime about 2.5x more than ag lime to obtain the same desired pH.
thats an interesting point. My client spent a ton of dough on liquid and we still have to purchase a truckload of lime to fix hi pH - terrible waste of money
@@ChilcoteForestryServices The reason they said it was the same was it took 139 gallons per acre to equal ag lime so it costs over $1500 an acre to get the same as $90 worth of ag lime
This was another great video. Very informative and explained well in an easy way to understand.
I used both liquid and pelletized lime and went from a 4.6 to 7.1 pH in 4 months. I don’t believe the liquid is long lasting from what I understand.
That must have taken a lot of Is pelatized
I was actually thinking about using this on a couple hard to get to food plots. Kinda figured it was too good to be true. Looks like I’ll be hauling in a lot of bags. Thanks for the info.
try it on half of your plot and see if there is a difference
It's not to good to be true. It works great. You are overpaying for anything that includes a picture of a buck, and a widly known brand. The same liquid lime is sold in 500 gallon fertilizer totes for farmers.
fast acting lime also snake oil?.. pelletized worth the extra money?..
Pelletized is only worth it if you can't get pulverized lime delivered and spread. You pay extra for convenience
@@ChilcoteForestryServices does fast acting work any faster compared to pulverized?
@@ChilcoteForestryServices What about the fast acting lime sold as Rapid Lime? My co-op says 1 bag is = 10 bags pellet lime, but it is not long term.
Cannot do chemistry by weight, it is all about the mole!
My eyes glazed over in that part of chemistry class. Please elaborate in email. Always looking to learn
@@ChilcoteForestryServices not sure how to get to your email. In short, a mole is approx 6.022*10^23 molecules. Without looking at the actual specs of the liquid lime or the normal ag/powder/pelletized lime, I would have to assume that the liquid lime has a higher % usable molecules per weight than the solid stuff that has a majority of non usable molecules to include rock debris adding to the bulk and the time it takes for it to react with the acid.
@@ericseeger462 i believe the limestone is 97% CaCO3. I think the liqid stuff helps take H Molecules out of the root zone ipon germination. The roots probably take care of the rest
@Chilcote Forestry I wouldn't think the roots would have anything to do with it, but I never did well with botany. Lol I think the liquid is just in a more reactive form, rather the powder or pellets need more time to dissolve, which in the end, can allow it to be washed away.
@@ericseeger462 roots can change the pH in the rizosphere as needed to obtain the elements they need. Exchanging either H or OH molecules depending on the charge of the needed molecules
The best way to tell if something really works on foodplots is to see if farmers are using it on there crops. Liquid Lime works and has been used by farmers for several years now. The only way it doesn't make since is if your dirt is severely low in Magnesium. Agriculture lime usually includes calcium and magnesium and the liquid stuff usually doesn't have the magnesium amounts that most soils are low in.
Im going to put it on a new food plot and test the pH in fall. We will see what happens. Subscribe and look for that in fall
@@ChilcoteForestryServices The problem is that Plot Start is NOT LIME (Cal.Carbonate) that the farmers use. It IS a LIME SUBSTITUTE. The farmer's Liq. lime is much more expensive.
Ag lime does not include Magnesium it does include calcium as lime is literally calcium carbonate lol its mostly calcium. Dolomite Lime does have magnesium though
All types of lime whether agricultural or liquid are all short term which means you will need to use them yearly if the underlying problem is not corrected. Basic problem is lack of organic matter in the soil if this is corrected you rarely have to worry about lime.
Exactly. Once we get the soil amended so it will grow a diverse mix of plants and keep plants roots in the soil year round and good soil byota pH takes care of itself
You mentioned that you were going to conduct your own investigation to see if the liquid lime really works.......Did you test it yet???
Yes I did. I had a client insist on using it. Erase the $1200.
I tested the soil before and 3 months later. There was little change in the acidity. I spread a truck load of lime and compost on the field.
@@ChilcoteForestryServices I think a lot of people are confused as to the purpose of liquid lime… yes , you are correct, liquid lime does not raise the ph reading of soil long term. That is a problem for the career farmer but it’s not an issue for the food plotter, especially if your planting annuals. If liquid lime elevates ph for 7-8 months, then mission accomplished. It allows plots to reach maximum potential without all the back breaking work.. I can tell you, I send more money on 40 lbs bags of pellet lime then the $50-100 on liquid lime.. When you talk about perennials and maintenance… I agree with you , the long term Benefits of lime helps. I continue to spread pellet lime and I’m almost to my 6.8ph goals but honestly, I getting tired of carting all that lime up to my field .I tell my friends… you want to hunt.. let’s go , we have work to do… Funny, everyone is busy that day!!! I don’t know how you friend is spending $1200 on liquid lime.. How much area are you talking. $100 covers the 2.25 acres I am planting.
@@Rcol4427 I just bought 10 gal. from Deergro for 89.95+29 shipping. Will try it out this year.
@@jimpowell523 I used plot start on my brassica and fall blend. I also spread 75 bags of pellet lime back in May. I am taking a new approach. I will continue to spread lime until my ph is where I want it and I will use plot start which raises the calcium on top of the soil to help with germination.
Bottom line.. you need lime to correct PH! I started at 5.1 in 2019 and I ‘m at 6.1 this year. Another year or two and I will just need to maintain the Ph.
I am learning that plot start will not help fertilizer absorb into the plant. The only fix for that is Lime.
Thank you sir you just save me some money
The God Father of food plots Jeff Sturges will probably like to have that conversation.
Anytime
The fact that someone would refer to Jeff as the Godfather of food plots is a testament to his tremendous self marketing skill. He is the godfather of marketing to this audience. He is amazing at it.
@@ChilcoteForestryServices said the guy that nobody know's 🤣 and has zero to show for it.
@@ChilcoteForestryServices 79 👍 my guess 👎 are greater, 3k views and 1.6k subs speak for themselves.
@@joecianfarani6951 It really shows you haven't been around food plotting or deer hunting long to think Jeff is the Godfather of food plotting. How many views a person has nothing to do with their knowledge base either.
I have all the farm equipment needed to plant successful plots. I cannot access my fields with the equipment needed to spread AG Lime but I do spread 3- 5 tons of pellet lime each year. F -THAT!!! This is supposed to be enjoyable! I discovered liquid lime will raise PH for the entire season. You will need to re-apply liquid lime each year but hell, I was applying pellet lime each year as anyway. You sound like you know your math but you make a lot of assumptions about liquid lime throughout this video. I see no empirical data that supports your argument.
If you have to apply lime every year there's something else going on with your system that's not working. You're welcome to give me a call to discuss if you like
@@ChilcoteForestryServices I am from a farming family and they all use Aglime, this liquid lime and tons of other products ever year. My stepfather, mom, and brother have semi loads of aglime, semi loads of liquid lime, and other liquid fertilizers delivered and used every year. They grow 400 to 600 acres of vegetable crops like watermelons, squash and others. The marketing for this liquid lime is what cost people trying to grow food plots so much money but the product itself isn't bad. They can buy the real stuff in containers not covered by big buck pictures and advertisements and get the job done.
@@jessemoore7696 I agree, I'm not worried about the money. I'm only planting a total of 2.5 acres of food plots on my 50 total acres. The convenience of utilizing liquid lime is a bonus. I still spread pellet lime but the boost from the liquid lime helps when the weather is not cooperating, and the fields are wet from a harsh winter. Just knowing liquid lime is an option takes the stress of planting food plots. I get so much mixed advised, I'm not sure who to believe. I was lead to believe pellet lime will only last one year in the soil. I was also told pellet lime is the same as AG Lime and will last just as long. I'm finding that spreading 2 pallets of pellet lime (120-130 bags) of the 2.5 acres annually, is increasing my Ph by about 1/2 of a point or .4 seems more realistic. I'm not sure why certain college studies are saying that pellet lime only lasts one year. It's taking about a year for me to even see the results. I'm still not sure what the correct answer is when comparing pellet lime to AG Lime!
@@Rcol4427 For the past 6 years, I have used only pellet lime on my 2.5 ac. and have not even used 100 bags total in 6 yrs. I know my plot chem. now so I only do a soil test every 2 yrs. for the non test year, I add 34-0-0, 0-0-6, and plant. This year I am trying Plot Start and will see if it helps, but like said above, I only care about it getting us through December.
Hey brad who is this person giving this bad info
If professional farmers use it, you can believe that it works. Professional farmers use this stuff, they just happen to buy it in 500 gallon containers instead of 2 1/2 gallon containers with a picture of a deer on it.
do disrespect to farmers, but...they've ruining the lands ability to provide food for decades. Most of them dont know anything about soil health. They know how to apply chemicals to grow crops. This is unsustainable.
Spraying "lime" is providing soluable calcium to the plants, but isn't doing much do change pH.
yes, adding Ca can be important
@@jessemoore7696 But are they using real liquid lime (has Cal. Carbonate in it to neutralize acid) or are they using liquid lime substitute (Plot Start, with NO Cal Carb.)?
Maybe you should have your numbers and facts straight before you make a video. The information in this video is completely wrong and misleading people even more.
i was waiting for this comment...like I said, prove me wrong
send me a jug and I will use it on a low pH soil. in a side by side comparison If it works I will publish a video and a paper on the study
Crickets....I figured as much. AS for informing myself, I have a couple degrees and consulted with a pHD level soil scientist prior to making this video.
Just check out the Mississippi State article on the cost vs neutralizing capacity of ag vs pelletized vs liquid lime. Ag lime wins hands down.
I dont think the plot starter is the way to go..... but their plot boost! Its a game changer. It will Make your fall food plot jump tremendously and they(deer) pound it
Whatsin that?
@@ChilcoteForestryServices same company. But its in a small brown jug. You spray you fall crops with it after a week or so of germination.
I sprayed this on over half of my ½acre food plot (brassicas). The rest I didn't. It only made it inches tall. The treated brassicas made it to 14-16 Inches. Deer hammered them till March here in mississippi.