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This is similar to the Saban mantra: "Every player competes for his job everyday. The player who gives us the best chance to win will play."
But one always wins and the other is not doing so well. Mantras work only if the results are there.
its the way it should be, nobody is earned a starting job (unles you're a HOFer)
@@clarkkent1521 I agree with that too. OTOH, some fans can too quickly 'forget' the greatness that a HC has accomplished.
I still think Belichick still has it, and so does Saban on the collegiate level. Let's hope when it's "that time" that both are treated more like Don Shula than Tom Landry.
@@NVRAMboi Saban has had constant success with a rotating door of players and coaches. Belichick lost one single guy and everything went back to shit. I said back because he was shit before Brady as well. Whatever mantra Belichick was using, Brady was the band-aid over it that made it work.
@@clarkkent1521 "Back to ish." (one man's poop is another's fertilizer hah). Like Saban, Bill has experienced repeated/near continual(?) loss of key staff (not to mention roster turnover). I realize that both things are part of being an NFL GM/HC. Given a modest pool of potentially great assistants, I don't know how any HC - no matter how great - can navigate that for the extended runs of dominance both have had. It's part of the business, but that doesn't mean we as fans have to like it.
Dude if you asked Bill if he was going to eat lunch that day he'd be noncommital.
Grunt grunt grunt maybe a hotdog grunt grunt grunt
"I'm moving on to dinner. Our complete focus is on dinner."
The problem with being HC and GM is that if the team performs poorly due to scheme or due to roster..... it's all his fault.
He can't draft for shit anymore. Those terrible draft picks have been hurting this team.
Him being cheap and refusing too actually dish out money for some top names... You damn right he is taking some blame
@G Walker it was 75% Brady 25% Belichick
@@broderickcrawford8110Brady is not winning none of those championships without the ELITE DEFENSES he has had which Belicheck has provided him with.. It is 50/50... QBs do not play defense.. why the hell do you think Peyton a top 5 QB of All time only has 2 rings?? Too Brady 7.. he has never had the luxury of DEFENSES Brady has had... Love Brady but I'm definitely sick of casuals giving him all the damn credit.. those defense were packed full of Pro bowl names which Belicheck drafted!!!
@@javonbatiste3294 When pats fans start defending Belichicks record without Brady…they only ever can site small stretches of moral victories rather than actual tangible achievements like titles / divisions etc. If every year with Brady the bar was championship or bust…and without him it’s “we won some games and almost did something once.” Perhaps that illustrates Brady’s importance even more.
When you have Brady you can ride the aura to stretches of good play. The 08 Matt Cassel team went undefeated the season before. Missed the playoffs without Brady. When Brady left to Tampa the team looked good for a while without him. Problem is, the longer he was gone the less the Aura of past success remained. The less cache bill held. Guys could believe Bill was gonna solve everything. And they played inspired. BUT, that wears off. Only winning sustains it. And only Brady sustained the winning.
@@javonbatiste3294 2000 Patriots (with Drew Bledsoe):
5-11 record
25th in ppg
17th in pass offense DVOA
21st in offensive DVOA
23rd in offensive EPA/play
2001 Patriots (with Tom Brady)
11-3 record, Super Bowl champs
6th in ppg
10th in pass offense DVOA
11th in offensive DVOA
10th in off EPA/play
This is the same answer always given.
This time last year Mac was the next Tom Brady
Nah. He sucked even in 2021. Tape says it all
It's weird your not talking about LSU women's basketball 😅
Bill is such a genius that us normal folks simply can't fathom his decisions. They may seem dumb at first, but when we see the results, they are even dumber than we thought. He can make things even worse than they appear. Absolute genius.
Yeah, he's a real Einstein. Think it's time to hang it up. Bad can always get worse 🙃
These guys call the Bills shit after this years playoffs and now they’re talking about how good the Bills are 😂 They can’t stick to a thought for very long at all..
Why does Belichick not retire 2 years before he starts to lose his ability to lead the team successfully - oh Darn, he already missed that chance 4 years ago
I think Bellichick is trying to set up scapegoats with the hiring of Patricia and Judge. If they miss another playoff one will go, Miss a 3rd year the other, Miss 5 years in a row and he will retire
But it won't work. We all know Judge and Patricia have no clue what they are doing. The scapegoats need to be people who are just bad enough to fail, not complete failures. Belichick can't even get this part right.
He was not caught in the middle , they asked him to make the throws a second year nfl QB should and he could not do it as all the other teams had the book on him so they reverted the offence to minimize his weaknesses and mistakes , when Bailey Zappe was in you see how the offence was suppose to work , Mac ( the backup ) could not run it .
Watching Patriots fans gush about Zappe feels just like Jets fans calling for Mike White to be their Franchise QB the last couple of years... Theres a big difference between being a solid backup QB and being a Franchise QB. Mac Jones clearly has more upside potential and NE clearly was dysfunctional with their coaching setup last year, so it will be interesting to see if O'Brien rights the ship. He's got the resume and experience to be a HUGE coaching upgrade over last year. I understand Belichick wanting to motivate using the stick all the time, but a coach has to have other tools in the tool box as that gets old with todays players. I don't think you manage a QB, with all the myriad of things that position requires the player to track, master and ultimately excel at, the same way you're managing Linebackers or DB's. Mac needs a little Pete Carroll IMHO. Structure, yes, some tough love, but also some rah, rah in him to be willing to say "I love you" now and then.. How about trying to build up a guy now and then?? Theres only been one Brady who could dislike the tough love, and still perform at an elite level regardless. I see NE using up and spitting out Mac by the end of the season. Then he'll go somewhere else and be a totally serviceable QB... a-la Geno Smith. He's no HOF QB.. but he's an NFL starter... and NE's issues run way deeper than the QB position. They're 4th in their division as measured by the talent on their roster... After Mac's gone they'll be right where they were when Brady left... Needing to find a QB.. because they aren't willing to do what it takes to develop a young QB who isn't a one in a million player...
Great analysis
You expected a clear answer from Bill?
If I was Mac I'd demand a trade. He's gotten nothing but middle fingers from coaches, fans, and ownership ever since he's been here and is then shit on for giving those middle fingers right back.
I can't remember the last time a player's career has been sabotaged by their coach like this
Don’t let door hit him on ass on way out.. #bust
@@stephendwane8166 he has the second best rookie season of all time for a QB. WITH THE ROSTER!
@@simplebidnessman dude wAtch the games, he’s embarrassing
@@stephendwane8166 not as embarrassing as patriots fans once they became a normal team again
@@simplebidnessman Josh McDaniels was. Not Mac. Mac made throws Colt McCoy can
Mac has earned nothing yet!! This is what's real. Bill being real and honest.
bill hates Mac Jones, confirmed!
One question based on last year to all the Zappe stans. IF Zappe was so great AND BB hates Mac Jones, why exactly did they go straight back to Jones as soon as he was healthy? I mean the fickle fans wanted Zappe so he was not going to lose the fans. Rumors of Judge preferring Zappe so he was not going to lose the one yr QB coach. Explain why they ran right back to Jones? Also why would anyone believe BB is not being authentic? He had Brady and still drafted Jimmy G in the 2nd Rd. BB has always wanted his best team, he will play whom ever wins the job. Always has, always will.
I am also so tied of the division was bad BS and that is the only reason the Pats were good. Stop the nonsense. These talking heads are always so lazy. 1) The Pats only swept the division twice in all that time(once because they went undefeated.) Division games are almost always tough regardless, because the teams know each other so well. 2) If you remove the Dominant team from collective w/L records for each division, for years the AFC east was near the top for most collective wins when removing the Patriots from the equation. People forget when you remove the Dominant team from the division, you are removing all those losses from the division opponents as well. Considering they play the top team twice.
Simple…Robert Kraft did not want to waste another 1st round pick so he forced Bill to start Mac even tho anyone with a brain stem could see that the team was rolling with Bailey Zappe
@@EddyArcadeBeats 🤣 so Kraft didn't overrule and or force BB to keep Brady but he was going to force BB to go right back to a not fully proven Mac Jones in a convoluted offensive season? That's you your wisdom and logic? 🤣 You must be one hell of a fiction writer.
Zappe pooped his pants the second half against the bears. Without the run game, play action with 6+ blockers, zappe couldn't even throw over the line, they just kept him in the pocket tipping his throws until zappe decided to throw outside and the bears just picked him off. People complain about McCorkle's arm, zappe's arm is much worse, weaker and way less accurate. Zappe can't play in shotgun and can't get the ball to a receiver who's not wide open or have all day to adjust to the ball.
Stick with mac if you want to finish in last place
Go with Zappe if you want a top 5 pick next year lol
@@jca7343 they are basically the same. Zaooe got better verlocity in his throws ans bettee pocket presence but they are essentially the same guy
If anyone reads anything into his comments it’s a clear sign of content desperation
Belichick at this point is just a wierd passive aggressive old man. I Hate N.E but they need a change
🤣 Oh wait, you are serious? Let me 🤣🤣🤣 even harder.
Bill O’Brien would actually make sense.. He was pretty great in Huston as a HC.. Just not as a GM
At this point..? He's always been this way. Winning is the only difference painting the narrative, because people feel they have legs to question everything as soon as the winning stops. Good thing u aren't a GM good lord. BB is probably the most consistent human alive. The Patriots aren't a good roster. Is the rope shorter? Sure. Has he made mistakes? Yes and he would candidly admit them just not to the media, cause, it doesn't serve him. He has earned the most trust of any coach to not only make mistakes but turn it around. He's way too much of a goddamn genius and special talent. But yep he's always been an ass
@@nikhilmalik62 The team built by Belichick wouldn't have won a single SB with any other QB, because the talents he put around Brady wouldn't be enough for other QB to do what Brady did.
@@nikhilmalik62 I agree, they've always been a perennial contender, they've been to 14 AFC championship games, they have 6 rings and been to 9 super bowls total in 23 years.. I'm sorry but, Bill can go 5-12 for 5 years and I wouldn't fire him, the funny thing is they're still an 8 or 9 win team since Brady left with no real qb, any other coach, that team doesn't win 5 games with the lack of talent they have imo. Crazy pats fans are calling for his job, even if Brady had alot to do with it, Bill was still the guy who put the team around him, and they always had a great defense. And I'm a dolphins fan, I just have alot of respect for Bill, even tho I don't like them at all lol
If you're a Pats beat writer there's no need to ever show up at a Belichik press conference. Work from home, peruse the web for shows and podcasts and file your story.
It's what Brady did in tampa. But, it was closer with the saints there.
The Patriots need to go and get Drew Lock!!!
Bill Belicick caused all of these problems period. Mac's progression would have continued had he had a competent offensive coordinator and a better offensive line. Belichick needs to go.
Belichick is the greatest coach in N.F.L. history! Coaching in 12 TWELVE Super Bowls winning in 8 of them! Legend!
And George Seifert is the 2nd best, ever. Coaching in 5 Superbowls and winning all 5!!!
Lamar to Minnesota
I'm a patriot. The rest of you are fans
Florio gets so giddy when Belicheck slips up.
How many times did he say “I don’t want to get all disrespectful.”
In his 10 years of coaching without TB he has a sub .500 record, and florio is happy that everyone is starting to notice
But seriously, if you didn’t know what he was gonna say after 30 years repeating that then you don’t know Belichick.
It’s about f$$$ing time , should have been done last year so could see what had instead of wasting a year , Mac ( the backup ) Jones should have been shown the gate or at very least traded for picks. Maybe Callaghan has told Bill the truth , that he is at best a backup because does not have the quick reaction time to be a top 15 nfl QB plus cannot consistently make the throws.
The best conference in NFL history was the 1980's early 1990's Eastern Conference. None better; EVER.
What the hell is the Eastern Conference? Do you mean the NFC??
@@aaronjackson9385 Yup. NFC Eastern Conference. Giants, Eagles, Redskins, & Cowboys (although they had lost a step).
He would never win super bowl again
Tom brady is the real reason why they won.
Cowboys have 4 playoff wins in the last 25 years. Maybe they should trade Dak for Lamar
Give it up mike. Stop rewriting NFL history.
I haven't liked bellicheck but I now feel pity for him. He stuck with 2 mediocre quarterbacks and a big lack of offensive talent. I mean everyone cringes at the idea of mac Jones getting a big contract. For that talent?
Mac Jones pushed back against Patricia and Judge. They tried to switch to Zappe because Zappe was not going to push back. This is same reason he picked tom over their 100 million dollar veteran that had his way and pushed back. Bill wanted Mac to kiss Patricia's ring. Zappewas willing to do it Patricia's way.
Belicheck will one day realize Brady was not a average player
Nah Bledsoe was regressing. Case in point, he lost his job to J.P..Losman after a great start in Buffalo and then lost his job to Tony Romo in Dallas.
Mac going to get traded and Belichick is most likely going to get Lamar and he’s going to do it out of spite to everyone. First off, Bill is the King of Petty as we all know and just look at how he’s felt screwed over and by who. Number one enemy for Bill is the Baltimore Ravens. He’s still yet to get even for deflategate and this could be his opening. Also, everyone says he hasn’t paid top dollar. You can see him spiting Brady and all those other haters by giving Lamar his mega deal. Think I won’t do it, watch me.
Robert Kraft needs to let his son take over and the GREAT Bill Belichick needs to RETIRE!
What?😂
@@yorkshire3939 Let me guess! Another Belichick WORSHIPPER!😂😂😂
Zappe please, the man stays poised, knows how to avoid sacks.
I didn't know the Patriots were tanking
I told people that for years. Pretty much every year Brady was in NE. They started week one 6-0. Now you go 6-4 the rest of the time and that 12-4 and probably a 1 or 2 seed being almost average outside your division. It's why Brady didn't win a SB every year. They didn't have great teams a lot of years there. They just got to the playoffs because that year they got a 6-0 start. There was a year or two one of the teams didn't suck. But overall NE had 6 free wins. You can take nothing away from them. You can only play who on your schedule. It's just that schedule almost every year was 6 free wins for almost 20 years.
The team built by Belichick wouldn't have won a single SB with any other QB, because the talents he put around Brady wouldn't be enough for other QB to do what Brady did in playoff.
You can say the same thing about Peyton Manning too. What kind of competiton was in his division, the Jaguars? Texans? Titans? Right..nothing daunting.
Mac Jones needs to know his place or go back to tennis. .... Weak armed & weak willed is bad enough
Look at the mess Trevor Lawrence ended up in, in his first season. Did Lawrence start crying like a total baby? No, not at all.
QBs end up in messes all the time, but the good ones don't start acting like Mac Jones did. It showed a real lack of maturity, added to the fact he is, at best, an average QB, then can you blame the calls for him to be benched.
If I had to choose between these 2 options I would probably go with Zappe. I think we've seen enough of Mac to know what he's capable of being, while we're still just scratching the surface with Zappe.
Terrible take
Zappe showed what he really is against the Bears, Mac was on a high ankle sprain with horrible play calling what was Zappe’s excuse outside of horrible play calling?
Oh, so you mean how we know that Mac had a very good to great Rookie year. Where he almost won Rookie of the Year and was a pro bowler. Regressed his second year because of inept coaching and faulty offensive structure. So with that said, what has Zappe done? The guy was totally embarrassed by the Bears. The team with the #1 overall draft pick this year. Yeah... we know who Zappe is 😂
Zappe is garbage.
slip threw the tracks
i could under stand he says also can u understand MAC yelling at staff is a no no in new england i would let Mac play when he raises his stock then trade his ass
he his no class.
Aaron Rodgers is going to NE!!!
Based on what? Bill is not giving up draft capital for a QB who will be 40 in December and he is certainly not paying him 50 million dollars.
Belichick...Watching wet paint dry 😂
The paint dried out long ago. Right now it's cracking and flaking off.
Belicheck only reason they won 7 games.
And the reason they lost 10.
Yawn. They went 10-7 with Mac as a rookie. Last year was terrible due to the OC choice. Now they have Bill O’Brien who is as good if not better than Josh. They’ll win 11+ and make the playoffs and everyone who trashed them all offseason will act as though they knew It all along 😂
In 10 years of coaching without TB, Bill Belichick s 79-87. But sure, lets pretend they'll be great next year
@@AlexTSilver bet
hows that take looking now? lol! you ready to apologize or you gonna squirm away?
@@AlexTSilver freezing cold
Bill needs to retire he is killing his what's left of his legacy. Looks like an out of touch gm and coach.
Zappe reminds me of Drew Brees 👌🏼 But we’ll see. Football is all about competing. Nobody’s guaranteed a spot to start. Gotta work for it.
Cool….Im not crazy…. I was thinkin the same thing
I guarantee you both of you guys have egg on your face I guarantee they win 11 games
They won’t go for Lamar cos he wants 240 mill guaranteed n he ain’t that good… health concerns , immature ..
Heres another trash take
Mac is a human being of course he’s gonna explode too bad Paleček doesn’t like it craft tank in a trade and we got Mac for peanuts. Belichick will be gone hopefully after this season, get his ass fired craft needs to stop being a cheap bastard and Star opening his wallet up and get a general manager to make the right decision to make him pack for trans so we can get out of this mess.
Bill is nuts. He's got two young good QB's yet he seems to hate them both...really strange.
He doesn't have no problems with Zappe.. his issue is with Mac for speaking out on the poor coaching