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IMO saying marvel movies are not movies is the completely opposite of elitism. For you to make a good movie, you don’t need an astronomical budget, A-lister starts, tons of press and media buzz, unlike marvel movies. Superheroes movies are the peak elitism, the money you need to make them consumes most of a productions budgets, which prevents smaller, more original productions to happen. Not only that, we are raising a generation with a destroyed attention span, that is not capable to truly enjoy amazing, important stories that are worth to be told. If other types of movies stop becoming profitable, studios will stop investing in them, which is a huge loss for everyone.
Oh wow your perspective on the elitism comment is a perspective I didn’t consider! I think you’re absolutely right.
Actually there is not studies that our attention span is getting worse, I always hate to see those comments that our attention span is getting worse, because I have always been since childhood a difficult person to keep my attention in something.
I just watch a video from "the book leo" the video is about how is believe that our attention span is getting worse by at the same times people reading more, is that not contradictory.
@@rowanjoy419 okay babe, still those movies don’t stimulate our critical thinking skills. We are not teaching young’s to appreciate slow paced movies, without 1086 explosions and 8462 fight scenes. My comment is not about science, but about the cultural impact that those movies have. You cannot deny that a whole generation movie preferences are being shaped by marvel and likewise franchises
@@thaisfreitas2842 I don't think so, my dad is 50 and he prefers 100% fast pace movies or at least the movie has to be easy to understand, he does not understand movies that are artistic, and I think is because he is just too close minded, he see those movies as "emmo"
Also movies were before slow pace because of the lack of technology to do good camera shots.
yeah, but movies like The Godfather starred expensive a-listers like Marlon Brando, who later became mostly known for hoovering up a ton of money doing tv commercials for any product that would have him. they're not saying non-elitist, cheap genres like horror are worthy of respect, they're saying "movies about angry men, preferably Italian men, are the highest form of art."
The original Thor had some really weirdly amazing shakespearian monologue moments that they just...drop for the more comical "haha isnt this crazy?" route. The scene where Loki confronts Odin about being adopted is genuinely great acting on Tom Hiddleston and Anthony Hopkins parts. Ik its also probably the classical theater training jumping out, but it feels like the earlier Marvel movies took themselves a bit more seriously with sprinkles of gags and jokes. Now, its a 180 to appeal to the widest possible audience possible. No real suffering towards the main characters is allowed. Thors depression is played for laughs in Endgame. It could've actually been something. Idk just a ramble lol.
Yes!! It’s been a minute since I’ve watched Thor, but yeah as I said in the video I think there was more pressure for the earlier films to be well written because the MCU was still establishing itself in the world of film, and historically superhero films have been a huge financial risk! I’m not surprised by the great Shakespearean dialogue in the original Thor as the director is none other than Kenneth Branagh, who has a history of performing Shakespeare on stage and also directed and starred as Hamlet (1996). It seems as though the directors are not given such creative liberties anymore and the studio, as you said, have leaned to heavily into the “comedy”.
I think you're right on the money about the McDonalds comment! When I was younger and had a long shift, nothing hit right like a Big Mac. Was I analyzing why the lettuce was slightly wilted? No, but it spoke to me because I was in a (very exhausted, overworked) particular mindset, and that's what resonated with me. Should you only eat McDonalds? No, and likewise if your only media consumption is the MCU, you're seriously missing out. Great video, and good work!
There’s definitely a reason why black panther is the only Marvel series to get close to the Oscars. They’re the only ones that has a cultural impact due to them portraying black people as a culture of both envy, power, and freedom. They show this possibility as people of color not being after thought when it comes to power in general. The other marvel movies don’t even touch on anything as significant
@@goober479 yet it still follows the same marvel formula. I still put it in the top five tho
The only reason Black Panther got an academy nod is tokenism. While its not a bad movie, its nowhere near the best. I would argue that (Avengers movies excluded) Iron Man and Winter Soldier are far better movies. I also love Thor Ragnarök, but given that comedies basically never get nominated , it comes as no surprise.
My problem (and i don't have an answer, i been thinking about it for a while) is that while i agree that marvel movies can and usually are, the McDonald's of film (i say this as someone who was a giant marvel fan during her teens) it feels really elitist to say that it can't be, or it isn't art. i think that's subjective, at least to some degree. like i understand your points and agree with most of the statements being made but i also think that it's silly to say that marvel films as a whole don't require critical thinking or don't have something to say about the world or the human condition. like probably is only a few of them, but i do get a little defensive when i hear "it isn't cinema, it isn't art, it has nothing to say, it's empty" because i don't think that's completely true. to me it comes down to the fact that yes, the purpose of the film is as you said, make money, nobody can argue that, but is it used as a vehicle to say something? i think sometimes it is. is that not art? guardians of the galaxy vol. 2 to me is a beautifully crafted film that explores father/son relationships with a lot of depth and nuance. and it's also a fast paced silly little sequel with a talking racoon. i guess what im trying to say is that it can be both.
however, f*ck disney and the monopoly they have over everything right now, i honestly think the mcu should have ended after endgame (even if it meant no wandavision, the last true creative project marvel has done) i do think that as of now, marvel is doing more harm than good to the industry and if it's death means more space for what's to come then so be it.
Marvel movies ARE art, just not good art.
you nailed it. great references and quotes.
i got carried away and ended up writing a whole manifesto lol
marvel is a product, disney is a business, they're dominant in the industry so there is a lot of pro-war/ pro-military subtext. it's a perpetuation of the hegemonic structure.
diversity is co-opted for optics yet creatives are rarely allowed to stretch or shine.
Ragnarok was solid, Guardians is solid, but nearly everything else requires so much homework and includes so much techno-babble that it's hard to care, or start caring about the characters. and you know they won't kill the leads so there's no stakes.
the mcu is the most expensive tv show and for some reason they're treating it like a big messy 400 hour movie instead of standalone episodes that also contribute to a larger arc. they're putting the cart before the horse. the bag before the art.
scorsese and tarantino both grew out of independent film movements in the 70s and 90s respectively. even the 2000s had the duplass bros, greta gerwig, and others that broke into the mainstream. greta gerwig is directing and co-writing barbiie with noah baumbach- what a surreal sentence. there is no new tarantino but because of streamers the industry is different. the boys exists. some studios still take creative risks.
the current mcu started with iron man and favreau directing-- another 90s indie guy, JF wrote and starred in swingers in '96. even sony had sam raimi direct the 2000s spidey and he was an indie guy too. marc webb directed amazing spider-man after (500) days of summer. indie darlings all around. now we have florence in black widow, but who is behind the camera? eternals had chloe zhao direct but there's like 5 writers. surface level.
edgar wright left ant-man due to creative differences-- that was my big red flag. and ant-man feels like a zombified edgar wright movie. but marvel doesn't know edgar wright like i do, so i'll give them that.
the main point is the new mcu installments have a lack of individual artistic style. theyre forgettable. they're cinematic junk food (or fast food as you stated), DLC for the rubes. they're it feels like they're milking the fans for their money at this point. the dominance in the industry has led to this comfort and factory-esque content production which in the age of social media is no longer able to be kept a secret for very long.
i think the best thing for the mcu and the industry would be to look at the cycle of film history and do what it is time to do: take a chance on lower budget risky stuff and see what hits.
mcu budgets are so bloated it's like a money laundering scheme. total waste of money for subpar quality content. easy rider was made on such a low budget (less than 500k) that when it was released in '69 it was incredibly profitable ($60 mill-- thats over 59.5 mill in profit). it's a smart business move. it's kind of what the comics that the mcu is supposedly based on used to do.
it's almost like heroes should have showrunners. look at james gunn and guardians, if you allow creatives to be creative and set them up for success (instead of cramming them into a box on a tight schedule, the rewards are bountiful for everyone.
great art, new stars, money is made, and people are entertained.
you can make so many interesting low budget films with the potential for success and market the crap out of whatever hits instead of trying to sell 'celebrity on green screen fights cg blob army' as cinema. i love paul rudd, but he deserves better than quantumania.
the remarkable artists hired by marvel deserve to be set up for success by the world's largest movie studio. that shouldn't feel like asking for a favor.
it feels like no one cares about making a good movie over there, they're all just in it for the bag.
of course something as dominant as the mcu could never be truly transgressive, but if they saw the value in wildly creative low-budget films like EEAAO, they could certainly make room for truly 'cinematic' films in the mcu. oscar-worthy even.
what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
but unfortunately it seems many in the industry seem to think less like geese and more crabs in a bucket.
Yes!! Wonderfully said, and I agree completely. I think it was you who mentioned in the live chat how cinema has shown a pattern of the pendulum swinging from big budget, more surface level productions, to then entering eras where the budgets are small and more smaller-mid budget films are made, with yo and coming filmmakers and the new auteurs of cinema are able to thrive and build a name for themselves. The response to big budget eras are usually what birth the “new wave” movements in cinema, which is when Scorsese came up as you said during the American New Wave, and Tarantino came out with Reservoir Dogs just as the new wave era was ending.
I do think we are seeing a similar pendulum beginning to swing, as the fatigue with superficial spectacle begins to fade. This is why A24 has proven to build a great reputation for themselves because they are funding these smaller budget stories that audiences are craving (as you mentioned EEAAO). And from A24 we are seeing the blossoming of the auteurs of the next generation such as Ari Aster and Robert Eggers.
Thank you for your wonderful comment!☺️
@@FinalGirlStudios thank you! yup, that was me. glad we agree!
A24 is out there nailin it right now, I love me some auteurs. neon has some excellent releases too.
happy to contribute! glad you replied 😇
"Marvel movies are art, (but they are art largely) in the same way that McDonalds is food."
Brilliant!!!
I am going to use (or borrow or steal) that as often as I can.
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.
Nice video - Scorsese actually addressed this question more deeply in 2 documentaries - A Personal Journey, where he discusses the challenges of his own role models trying to create art in the context of commercial industry - and Voyage to Italy, where he looks at an environment where real art was created - esp the NeoRealists, as an example where cinema art was truly speaking to the moment - this Marvel question touched a nerve, IMO - asking us implicitly: What do we need and want from our culture? I think we need to frame the question in fundamental terms like this - and then pursue it much, much further, and see what we unearth along the way
I really feel second hand embarrassment to the actors who take the comments of Tarantino or Martin Scorsese too personal.
Who felt the same? or it was just me-
When he said that the superheroes are the stars, rather than the actors... I don't know how you can refute that. It's gotta hurt the actors. But on the bright side people are getting paid to work.
@@eyeswidevideo Anthony Mackie made practically the same exact comment years ago about the superheroes being the stars, and nobody batted an eyelash. It's not an insult, it's just an observation.
While I believe art is self-sufficient and doesn't need to give a lesson, for me cinema is a complex form of art. It has several undertones that make us reflect on various things without even intending to do so in the first place. For ex- moral complexity of characters. Marvel does not have characters who are morally grey instead they paint everyone as good and bad. Even when they had the opportunity to properly do so they fucked up (Wanda's character and civil war). A big budget film can be art too when it has complex characters and worlds interwoven with each other like LOTR trilogy. Marvel movies are just surficial and remain so. That is why they are not cinema for me.
agreed. i think cinema requires a certain level of media literacy to understand and marvel content is rarely, if at all, crafted with meaningful subtext or remarkable moral complexity.
Agreed completely!
Honestly, I think the pandemic also affected the kind of content people want to consume. Prepandemic, I would go to the movies fairly often (maybe every other week, though I know plenty of people who went atleast once a week). Because I was going so often, I was willing to watch a wider variety of films, including films that would sometimes leave me feeling depressed or conflicted about what I had just watched. But post pandemic, going to the movies has become a rare treat and a bit of an event. I think I've only been to the movies maybe twice in the past year. In that ccontext, I would prefer to watch a movie that is lighthearted, comedic, and uplifting. If I only go to the movies every 6 months, I want the few times I go to be a positive experience. Because of this, when I go to the movies now I mostly watch Marvel films, comedies, or cartoons. And I don't think I'm alone in this experience, especially considering how hyped everyone is for the upcoming Barbie movie.
(That's not to say I don't watch more complex films. It's just that if I'm watching a more serious or complex movie, I would prefer to do so at home.)
I do agree that the industry suffers from over saturation. It feels like the only films that get made are the ones that can turn the biggest profit- franchises and remakes. I don’t think people should give up on dvds either. Streaming services remove films and shows all the time and they’re not always available somewhere else. I have had shows I bought disappear from my library.
I’m not big on most superhero films and shows. I really enjoyed Watchmen (the movie and the series), Wandavision, Logan, The Dark Knight, The Boys, Jessica Jones, Sin City, Black Panther, Unbreakable, Kick Ass, Brightburn, The Crow, Birds of Prey, Ghost Rider and Birdman. I know the superhero genre isn’t going away and I wish that studios made more of an effort to tell different stories. I don’t want to go see the same group of white actors fight each other with minor plot changes but no one ever really dies, there are no real stakes. They’ll be back in the next film or they’ll star in a prequel or still be alive in another multiverse.
I also don’t think Marvel deserves a pat on the back for doing the bare minimum in terms of representation. Especially when the superhero genre dominates hollywood- a handful of female or bipoc characters helps but it’s not nearly enough.
And, it's not really representation. Wakanda doesn't exist, but the 50+ countries here do.
I think the McDonald's comparison is more than fair.
If Martin and others said their thoughts in the end of 2022. Their statement would've get less backlash
If Martin made Friday the 13th insteady of Boring mob movies people would care
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I find it kinda odd that ppl took that statment as "marvel movies aren't art" when the word art didn't really come up in the original interviews. like maybe that's what they meant by it but like, art is such a large concept. i would say that marvel movies are easily consumable art, but that doesn't make them not art. calling marvel movies easily consumable isn't an insult, and it's not a problem that they're just made for a short, fun time for the audience. the real problem imo is that they set the standard for mainstream films. they make the most money, so those kind of scripts are more likely to get picked up which sifts the other kinds of movies out. It's noticable outside of cinema as well. streaming services bet a lot of money on easily consumed plots that we've all seen before but throw more daring concepts away. Disney puts most of it's money on live-actions or mediocre, straightforward 3D movies when they were at their most narratively and artistically impressive before their move into 3D. You see the same thing with studios like pixar, dreamworks etc.
Marvel movies are just one product of the main issue which is that big studios are playing it way to safe in order to make money. There's nothing wrong with fast-food places, but it shouldn't be the only thing available.
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lmao this is why u watch a video all the way through. idk the thought popped up and i didn't want to lose it. great video btw!
I agree completely!!
While I haven't completely changed my view about "Marvel vs. Cinema", but you gave me some food for thought and presented a broader view of how the movie landscape has changed in recent years. I thought the clip of Matt Damon talking about the funding challenges of the streaming era especially interesting, since I hadn't really thought about how that might affect the film industry as a whole. Still, I guess as a non-film-school-educated lover of movies, I have a different definition of cinema. On the one hand, I agree that good cinema can make you think and consider the wider world around you. But, I think it can also be a highly entertaining film that uses the visual language of movies and technology/techniques of the film medium to great effect. So, in other words, it's not just the message or the ability of a piece of art to make the viewer think, it's also the skill with which the artist wields the tools of the medium that makes art "art".
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This reminds me a lot of the discussion of video games as art. While they obviously are, there isn't a canon of culturally significant examples that get iterated and critiqued. This is mostly due to the medium being very new, to the point that high-video-gaming doesn't have a real word. Movies have cinema, writing has literature, plays have theater, but video games are still figuring it out. But also, video game writing rarely references other forms of art, which happens all the time in cinema, literature, etc. A video game that does attempt to make a reference is most likely to reference another video game. I see Marvel movies facing a similar plight: they are produced as if distinct from the cinematic canon, and the films they do reference are very often within their own self-imposed universe.
I used to be a really big fan of Marvel movies, I have watched several of the movies in the cinemas and have even been apart of online fandoms and communities that have a general focus on the MCU but now I can't bring myself to watch a marvel movie, either the newer ones or even some of the older ones. After thinking about it I realised it had started to feel like I was consuming the same thing over and over again, even though the movies would have a different story or a different focus it just gave me the feeling that you get when you have had too much food and you just keep trying to force yourself to eat more to the point where you feel sick.
Then I watched The newer batman movie and even though I had fatigue with anything that resasembled a superhero movie at that point the movie is to this day one of my favourite movies of all time. It's because they actually took a risk and made something that is very much different from the norm, it took a risk and made something gritty but also something that felt real.
They need to either try new things and slow down the production of their movies and hire much more stylised directors and focus more on quality than quantity or they will be lost to time.
I think someone needs to confront Scorsese with what I'd call the George Lucas question.
Namely, what about movies for which "auteur cinema" and "theme park" are *both* accurate descriptors?
The original Star Wars was made by a film school renegade with a singular vision on which he made no major compromises. It was *also*, however, the very first major motion picture to be made with a specific consideration for the manufacturing and sale of toys, clothes, and other merchandise, as well as being an early pioneer of the modern blockbuster - the very thing that Marvel Studios specializes in.
Movies like Jaws, Raiders of the Lost Ark, and Jurassic Park also defined the blockbuster.
Never mind the fact that both Lucas and Spielberg are peers of Scorsese's, coming from the same "New Hollywood" movement which put a newfound focus on filmmakers as artists.
So when Scorsese constructs an argument that contrasts "theme park" movies against the "cinema" of visionary filmmakers, he's pointing to a stiff binary that may have become more real in recent years, but historically doesn't hold up to scrutiny. His argument just seems to erase the wealth of examples where a movie is both art- *and* brand-driven. I really wonder what he'd say about Empire Strikes Back if it came out today.
Jodi and Coppola do not play. Comparing movies to fracking is brutal. But yeah i agree, the first iron man movie was good, but the problem is every the rest literally blur together.
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Superhero movies like The Dark Knight, Logan and Spider-Man 2 have shown us that these type of movies can be, but MCU movies are not. They are the McDonald's of cinema.
The dark knight is dog shit. Horrible way to represent batman and it feels like frank millar made that shitty movie. If you seriously think that’s how a super hero movie should be made your media literacy is very very low. So many better superhero movies out there yet you chose TDK 😂. The Batman is a much better way to show Batman’s character rather than TDK
Very good video but it saddenes me that you feel like you have to defend yourself at the beginning for liking artful/older/ small budget/ non American films with „I also watch multi million dollar American super hero movies“, as if not would make you inherently pretentious.
In regards to diversity I‘m frustrated that so many people that point to marvel movie being super divers don’t seek out actual divers movies that aren’t only corporate products. Ask the the people who like Shang shi how many of them have watched a Wong Kar Wai or John woo movie.
The only Marvel story I enjoyed was WandaVision.
I haven’t seen it but from what I have seen the concept at least looks unique! And I love the way they filmed some of it to look like a vintage tv show
Also I really liked this video and it deserved more views, don’t be discouraged
brilliant video! speaking of ken loach, a video by you on social realism films would be worthy of a watch
I’m actually very unfamiliar with the social realism genre! Do you have any recommendations?:)
@@FinalGirlStudios my personal favourites are a taste of honey and fishtank, kes is probably the widest known option. hope this helps! :)
@@murrenpower2513 I’ll check them out, thanks!
I totally agree with the point of view you present here. I would love to hear from political scientist as well about how these movies is possibly a part of the capitalism/facism problem we are confronted with at this moment in time. Great essay =] hanks for posting it =]
It’s really just aesthetics, beautiful designes and action. Sometimes blips of emotions but not realistic ppl.
I think the problem has to do more with how the MCU has effected movie culture and discourse. Entertainment culture feels like it's scared to commit to a risk so they either try it out for awhile then never go back to it or only stick with what worked. I'm getting tired of hearing people say that "this feels like a streaming movie" and I wish we could see more Rom-Coms have more life in the theaters. I do agree that MCU movies are like McDonald's however that still means it applies to all of them; you can't just say "Black panther isn't but Thor 4 is" only because one is good and the other is bad, both are apart of the same assembly line. I know your reason behind it is due to the cultural impact BP has had but still that's like saying Alright by Kendrick Lamar is "real music" while Levitating by Dua Lipa isn't because Kendrick's song touches upon the black experience and it's not a formulaic catchy Pop song. Just say you don't like Levitating or that you like Alright for those reasons instead of sounding pretentious.
Oh my god! My sentiments exactly! I can't believe Murder Mystery 2 was released straight to streaming (at least in my country). 😂 I just want my dumb sht on the big screen.
TIL pretentious is when people have opinions
Really well made video and arguments. A lot of food for thoughts and now I'm getting inclined to agreeing with you. Even though I could say I see both points of view. Like, streaming and the long lasting successe of franchinses (from Harry Potter to Game of Thrones) is changing our culture very quickly and the older ways can't keep up, so it seems. Even though I wanna agree with you, and do believe I'm changing into it, I myself prefer watching longer narratives than movies. I rarely watch them now, Marvel, chick flicks, Oscar winners... I just need more time to get involved and attached now. So I think auteurs have to step up a little bit, cause I think it's getting harder to find your way into people's hearts. And after the pandemic I don't believe most people wanna go out to watch a movie that will put them in a conflicted mood. Theaters feel like an event now, at least for me. A chance to meet with my friends and just have a nice time. The introspective audiovisual experience is reserved for the home now.
Also it kinda feels like if their work is SO much more superior, than why can't pass their messages forward by recontextualizing something people already know and like. A message is a message regardless of material aspect if you can do well. Yes Marvel changed a lot of our movie watching experience, but also they didn't start it. Y.A. adaptations started it. They had time to adapt. Instead of finding a way to build bridges between the splitting taste, they decided to continue to do what they do and expect people who don't really know who they are and they do to come to them just like that. They are not wrong about he commodification of cinema, but also they failed to engage with a growing new audience. It does seems like they are sitting on their academic chairs and judging people from above. They have as much fault in this scenario as any other human on the planet. People wanna see what they wanna see.
They don't wanna change or adapt, it feels like they want viewers to just bow to them. But the thing is, they don't mean anything to this new audience. They have no power there. It's kinda like seeing the old gods from the Series American Gods interacting with the new gods. Neither side is inherently good or evil, specially because both sides expect complete subjugation. If they wanna save "cinema" they'll have to step up. Hire at least one big name if possible. If they are willing to learn then they will grow as artists, but at the same time you get viewership. Anya Taylor-Joy, Mia Goth or Jenna Ortega and you have the gays on your side. Timothee Chalamet or Harry Styles and you have the gays and the girls. Keanus Reeves and even the straught guys show up. I don't know. But stayin where they are is probably not going to change shit. Viewers may only hate them even more. Actions speak louder than words. (EDIT- Greta Gerwig's Barbie is probably THE MOST antecipated movie of the year. Find your audience)
The only slow vibes over plot human being sharing psychological experiences with other human beings movie they've made and will ever make is Guardians 2 imo
I would love an analysis on the miles morales series!!
I remember when Scorsese comments first came out, and I felt like it was a very old man, yells at cloud. And I wasn't a big Marvel fan.
I did the thing that you definitely shouldn't do, and I didn't watch or read comments that he made. I just saw like the provocative clips and soundbites that were taken out.
But as the years have gone by and as I've really dealt more deeply into cinema as well as follwed more film critques and recommend channels; I think he's right. When you watch interviews with him and Quentin Tarantino and John Woo you can tell that cinema is not just an art form that they like, but one that hey breathe and that they love. This is their life, and with the gargantuan beast that is Marvel Disney it is being systematically destroyed. At the same time they're devaluing the work that it takes to do it. Marvel isn't cinema. Maybe it's something else, but I don't think it's for the better.
I think we forget that cinema is a fairly recent art form. It just turned a 100, but but it has been changed and has developed dramatically. And Martin Scorsese he comes from that generation of when the language that is film was first being developed. And he has dedicated his life to preserving films.So many films have been lost. And so many have followed in his footsteps. Cinema doesn't have to be elitist but they're are standards and qualifications that aren't as high as they could be. People don't know what they don't know and if mass medium movies aren't challenging people's appetites and pushing the boundaries people are going to only care for the most basic most water down things
Can you do this with shonen anime please
Why
@@Ynkian they’re basically anime version of MCU movies
@@nathanlyon7432 How?
please tell me you have a letterbox account?
I do!! There’s a screenshot of it on this video actually lol, but if you go to my “about me” section on my channel my letterboxd account is linked ☺️
@@FinalGirlStudios ....aaand ofc I saw it the moment I submitted the comment 😅. Well I'll be the random -futsu saizu no kaijin- profile that followed you 3h ago. Thanks again seems like a great collection of films!
I agree that the idea of Marvel movies are entertaining is true, but I too understand that we have lost all depth in favor of mere "content". It may be sentimental content (as Marvel movies are for me as a 64 year old who grew up reading some of these comics) but it does not intend to elicit questions or deep thinking.
Would say that the MCU isn't theme park movies it's live comic book stories
They mostly all look the same to me. And I don't care for serialized movies & TV series. A 50 hour story that can be told in 2 or 3. I like variety & superhero movies are as 'samey' as those early '60's Italian peplums (Hercules & gladiator movies). They're fun once in a while, but not monthly or weekly.
The important facts here is after 30 - 50 years Quentin Tarantino and Scorsese's films are still Timeless and Classic films love my general public and movie critiques , i don't know about 100+ marvel movies 😂
Im sensing that you really disgusted by Marvel but not a bad thing tho
I want more Marvel movies. I love seeing impossible things.
for the 100th time
I agree with Tarantino and Scorsese. Marvel movies are not art they are industry. They even miss the mark of the source material
Explains why the actors are so unhappy
i guess my confusion is, what's wrong with theme parks? people love theme parks. people have loved them for as long as they've loved films, all over the world. and they go for the emotional experience. these old filmmakers are elitists who fundamentally misunderstand human psychology, but think they've totally got it. really, these directors spend too much time glorifying the mafia and other assholes to take seriously.
it's not that they misunderstand human psychology - they know exactly how it works. in fact, they made movies that appealed to both critics and the general public, and that portrayed the emotional depths of complex characters way more than a Marvel movie could ever even hope to (not that it's their aim anyways, of course).
they call Marvel movies theme parks exactly because they know how their formula pushes the buttons of the average person successfully.
it frustrates them because for someone who loves cinema for itself and devoted their life to it, a mass-produced, mediocre form of quick entertainment is bound to cause resentment. i agree that it's elitist, not that elitism is completely wrong though, just as there isn't anything wrong with theme parks, as you said.
the problem arises when the competition succumbs to Disney's hegemony of the film industry. they use not so fair play ways of obfuscating indie productions out of theatrical releases, and invest on pushing Marvel down everyone's throats essentially *forcing* it to become pop culture, rather than letting it organically win over the audience's hearts, which is something that arguably happened with Tarantino and Scorsese movies. but i guess that's something that doesn't have that much to do with the debate.
ultimately, it's true that Marvel isn't art, and I think it's perfectly fine if a film isn't. it deserves its space, recognition and love (not from me though)
McDonaldization!!! So true, capitalistic sharks
I can't understand one thing - how all the talented and hard working people make a decision to work for a bad king.
Hmmmm i find these conversations about "comic book" movies or superhero movies are a modern era of the pretentiousness that was seen during the comics are not literature era of Fredrich Wortham. Superhero movies are most certainly cinema based on the fact that they are filmed and produced by film studios. The MCU especially deals with high concept themes not found in many other movies...even indies films. Infinity War and Endgame are films about neo malthusianism, Captain America Winter Soldier is about political subterfuge and so on. Ppl can like whatever you want but these conversations reek of intellectual snobbery. Plus yall wasn't talking all this trash about Harry Potter which from a business model is exactly what the MCU is doing.
About half of endgames plot is dedicated to making a nostalgia trip to the bazillions garbage they've put out than actually engaging with the aftermath of infinity war or any kind of potent psychological experience like loss or grief. You have an embarrassing scene in Infinity War where the only argument any of your pathetic little "heroes" have to counter Thanos' plan is to exhale the word genocide and see how the madman would react instead of actually engaging with conversations about over population and long lasting effects of a potential genocide. Your so called political thriller ends with a CGI fest where hellicarriers are being shoved into tall building after it's revealed that everything was being run by nazis all along! Lmao grow up chet
Say that wit Jurassic World, crappie dino exploit nerd themes
Am confuse, is not the golden age in the 50s and tarantino movies were in the 80s-90s? lol
also disney and marvel trying to hard to be inclusive is cringy.
scorsese is definitely coming off as elitistic imo. it took u a video of 35 minutes to analyze the problems marvel has. these problems are real and worth discussing. oversipmlifying them with the phrase ''it isnt cinema'' isnt inviting discussion, it's only inviting elitism and yes, it can become an excuse for many to attack the actors/crew or the other few stuff that marvel is doing well, like the diversity u mentioned. u say that the answers from tom holland and elisabeth olson are deflecting the issue, but i dont feel like scorsese pointed directly at the issue to begin with.
scorsese may have meant well, but i honestly prefet tarantino's take more, because he takes the time to explain and analyze the real issues in detail.
ok but barbie princess and the pauper IS a fantastic film and you should say it 👏
I'd say Scorsese's "theme park" comment is apt... and if that's the worst thing you could say about these movies I wouldn't give the issue a second thought. But it isn't - I can't watch any of these movies without seeing them for the Objectivist propaganda that they are. And that is something that makes me gag.
When I saw Jurassic park I thought the same thing. It was more like a two hour theme park ride. I agree with MS that it’s not cinema, like you say, they are exactly what they are intended to be.