The original kyoshi was more so like "eh, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do, you're probably gonna have to kill that guy aang." Whereas this kyoshi is foaming at the mouth for aang to murder people
What's funny is that all of the past Avatars gave Aang basically the same advice, which is the entire point of those scenes, but everyone singles out Kyoshi I guess because she's the only Avatar with a confirmed body count even if it's a technicality. No one's out here saying Yangchen is a bloodthirsty murder demon.
The funny thing in that scene from the original show, Kyoshi only shared her own experience and perspective. Yangchen was the one who actually told Aang "this isnt about you" and "you need to do what is best for the world"
@@Fire91ful not to mention she didn't even directly kill him, sure her actions led to his death, but it's not a murder. She just doesn't think the distinction matters, not that she's happy to take credit for his death
@@axthxrnI always thought this was because it was a nick show for kids. As an adult I always took it to be that she actually DID kill him but they couldn’t show murder on screen (Jets death anyone?) but I guess that’s not technically cannon
I feel like Kiyoshi got mischaracterized by the fandom over the years and that seeped into the live-action. Because she 'ruthlessly' killed that conqueror, people think she's this highly aggressive and murder-loving, war-mongering woman when that's far from it. She was always a blunt, straightforward woman who was willing to go the lengths to preserve peace for the people and wanted Aang to understand that being the Avatar came with those responsibilites
She didn't even "ruthlessly kill" him. His stubbornness resulted in him becoming collateral damage from Kyoshi separating her island from the mainland. He more or less killed himself.
@@BaldorfBreakdownsShe does admit that she didn't see the difference, but it was much more of a "well that's that" kinda reaction; she's less murder happy and more "sometimes ya gotta do it to em" in terms of her thoughts on killing as part of an Avatar's duty
@@questmaster01 I honestly hate the whole "I don't see the difference" argument she gave. There is clearly a difference. If she didn't want him dead, that clearly says a lot about what was going on in her mind. She killed him on accident while getting her village out of the way. She didn't want him dead. She made the conscious decision to spare his life, and by pure accident, he died. Imagine if Aang "killed" Ozai the same way. By sparing him, only to be followed by Ozai tripping off the stone pillar and drowning in the water below. Then Aang goes on a speech about how he did what he had to do.
The difference is that she wasn't trying to kill him. She was solely concerned with protecting her people and didn't care about the consequences. Chin died purely due to not moving (literally and figuratively). It's no different to Roku sparing Sozin instead of killing him or Aang sparing Ozai. In every instance the Avatar prefers not to act/take life and deals with the consequences of that decision. Kyoshi "doesn't see the difference" because all she wants is for Chen to stop threatening her people and doesn't care whether he is dead or alive to make that happen
@@rolay7730 I see it as her accepting that her action caused that as a consequence. So instead of trying to say that Chin inadvertently died due to her protecting her people by separating them, she'd rather just state that she killed him by proxy thus taking accountability.
Oh boy. Inb4 people try to bring up the swamp: That was the SWAMP giving Aang that premonition of Toph, not Aang displaying the ability to see the future.
Thank you for pointing out how everyone piles on Aang for disappearing when in this version it WASN'T HIS FAULT! This episode was where I dropped the show; the changes were really annoying me by this point and I just couldn''t continue. I felt crazy at first because everyone seemed to be praising it when it premiered. Finding more critical videos like yours makes me feel so vindicated. Thanks!
Now, yes, Aang trapping himself in the iceberg was an accident, a desperate bit of instinctual bending to save himself and Appa. But he was scared and completely overwhelmed by responsibility of being the Avatar all of a sudden and was running away from home when the storm hit, That is a *big* difference in motivation compared to the Netflix version, where he was going out for a bit to clear his head and got caught in the storm.@@renatoramos8834
3:51 i wont spoil the Kyoshi books for anyone who wants to read them, but i'll just say that in my opinion, Kyoshi would actually have a lot of compassion for Aang. She had a very traumatic experience learning she was the Avatar and an extremely tumultuous journey stepping into her responsibilities. Sure she would be matter of fact with Aang in this situation, but she wouldnt be mad. She would empathize and understand. Also, just like how Roku took responsibility for burdening Aang with his mistakes, Kyoshi would also acknowledge how her mistakes contributed to the current state of the world.
@@fools5271 to be fair, even though the books are canon, most fans of the show probably havent read them. So the showrunners were really only responsible for portraying Kyoshi as she appeared in the original show, but i think they failed to even do that.
Zhao was the competent threat to Zuko's Saturday morning arch-nemesis. The one the Fire Nation sends when they learn the Avatar is back, who will ACTUALLY get the job done. Take a look at The Blue Spirit for an example. He goes out of his way to recruit the Yuyan Archers, correctly deducing they would be just the edge he needed. He gained the right to use them when he is just casually promoted mid-season, showing that the man had already been on the cusp of the highest Naval ranking solely on his own merits. He outright successfully captures Aang, knocks him out, and chains him up in a way he can't bend his way out. When he tells Aang, "There's no escape from this fortress, and nobody is coming to rescue you," that isn't a bad-guy bluff, he is ENTIRELY CORRECT. Aang had no way of escaping, Sokka and Katara were incapacitated and had no idea where he was, and if not for Zuko's interference, Zhao would have won the war for the Fire Nation right then and there. And Zhao isn't fooled, either. The moment he sees Zuko's swords later on, he knows he was the one who sabotaged him. The attack on the North? A plan he came up with himself after painstaking research, traveling the entire Earth Kingdom and literally digging into the Spirit World library to do so. A plan that WORKED, when he took the bending away from every Water Bender in the world in one punch (eat your heart out, Amon). Zhao nearly destroyed the entire Water Tribe in one blow, something that took a once-in-a-hundred-years comet to do the Air Nomads. So why did the Netflix series feel a need to completely de-claw and neuter him as a character? Apparently......they just really really really wanted to have Azula in season 1, so they viewed Zhao as an expendable means for her to exert influence a season early. Zhao apparently "failed officer training 3 times", according to a ham-fistedly added line from a Fire Nation soldier. Azula is the one that facilitates Zhao's promotion, sends him the Archers, and comes up with all the brilliant plans. Zhao only gets ahold of Aang after ZUKO captures him first. And of course, Azula is the one who recognizes the Blue Spirit's swords, because Zhao can't have even one thing to himself. Zhao became an incompetent, glory-seeking stool pigeon for Azula, and basically admits as much in his LAST WORDS before being casually offed. Not by a raging ocean spirit brought about by his own actions, but a single fireball from Iroh.
I feel like the writers saw the Jiong Jiong episode, and also the one part where Zhao gets attacked by Momo and they were like “Yep, this guy’s a joke villain. We can use this to give Azula a greater presence in season 1.” so they greatly increased Zhao’s areas of incompetence. By the way, they also had Azula conquer Omashu at the same time. So basically, they made Azula the leader of BOTH the “diversion” raid on the Northern Water Tribe AND the “real” raid on Omashu. Come to think of it… how come Kyoshi knew about the attack on the North but not the one on Omashu?
Brilliant breakdown of Zhao, I'll probably go more in depth on him later in the series, but I feel like a lot of people underrate him as an effective and competent antagonist because he doesn't have a lot of character depth the way someone like Zuko does. I don't think Zhao necessarily needed that in order to function effectively in the story, and his role was served well, and greatly elevated by Jason Isaacs's performance.
@@joshbuoy8661 Because prophecy is a bullshit and inconsistent plot device that the writers shove in whenever they need to advance the story or add stakes.
If you wanna do future vision, make it be inconsistant or infrequeny short little snippits of what might happen, rather than what will always happen unless you contrive it not to be. For example; in a dream you see character A fall for character B but then Character A actually falls for character C, but the reasoning for why are the same as in the bubbles, it's just that it matches more with character C than character B.
Zhao got the shaft in this show, basically every threatening, resourceful or competent part of his character has been either stripped away or attributed to Azula telling him what to do.
the only good to come from this series is making me rewatch the original. I wasn't expecting to cry during tales of ba sing se, but Iroh stole the show. best character 10/10 would Iroh again
Where exactly does this stupid meme about Kyoshi beeing a violent murder machine even come from? She is a bit more stern-faced then the other avatars we see, maybe a bit more pragmatic if you take in the advice she gives Aang at the end - but nothing about her struck me as particularly more bloodthirsty then the other avatars.
They read into Kyoshi as a murder monster, because they have this crazy fantasy for an Avatar who don't play by the rules/Dark Avatar fetish which the show runners eventually had to reward them with by creating the sickening Unalaq vaatu, I don't like mentioning that it in most cases because it still makes me sick
I think it’s mostly in contrast to Aang, Kyoshi is the only Avatar we visually see kill someone albeit collaterally. Though honestly Korra murders a lot of people on screen so there’s that.
Because of Avatar Day mostly I assume, since she *absolutely* counts Chin the idiot who didn't move backwards from a crumbling cliff as a kill on her part. The irony being that that was a side effect from her doing something in accordance with Airbending philosophy: Evade and Avoid rather than coming into direct conflict, Chin just stood too close to the cliff as she retreated an entire island away from his army rather than slaughtering his army solo, which I honestly believe she would have been capable of at her skill level.
Did... did they write the kiss on the mouth between Sokka and Suki KNOWING he was going to make a move on Yue...? Because... when I saw the kiss, I assumed he wouldn’t have a thing with Yue. But nooo, now Sokka is not "sexist" but definitely disloyal and a CHEATER. Great show, just great 😭
YES! It's fucking awful how they fucking cast fireballs like they are wizards. The OG show actually has alot of open palm strikes but it is either like a Tiger Kungfu stance or ozai charging his nuclear fire torch.
0:39 Ah yes, X-Men. The franchise where you’re either playing one of a couple dozen super beloved characters, or among the large masses of “why do we keep you around?” absolute nobodies.
4:20 Be very careful about adding prophecy and precognition into your story unless you’re going to set limits on it or have them be questionably accurate. An example of how to do this right is in Dune, many of the future visions Paul sees aren’t literal or accurate to the true to life events unless in a very twisted way, if you’ve read the book or seen the recent movies Jamis is a good example. In this series if Kyoshi and presumably all the past Avatars can see the future why don’t they just show Aang a vision of the lion turtle that will grant him his energy bending powers? Why don’t they tell him that if he doesn’t detach himself from the world he’s going to almost die? Is this the only future or are there multiple? What happens if you try and alter it? What can and can’t they see?
@@etienne8110 Like in Game of Thrones, we’re going to have time travel for one scene in episode and never bring it up again! Or Harry Potter, all the time travel devices get conveniently destroyed!
These costumes... They look like they came to comic con. They don't look like they are wearing clothes they look like they got dressed up for Halloween.
Yeah I don’t understand Zhao’s character in the reboot, I feel that he was hamming it up out of fear that he would be seen as a generic villain or boring, not that Zhao necessarily was in the original.
There’s another creator on here who discussed Zhao’s issue perfectly: it’s that his cadence seems out of the time period that he’s in. The frat boy chant in the blue Sprite Episode demonstrates this perfectly. He sounds like a 9-5 office worker. “Anyway Zuko I need to jump on a call with a 10th round panel interview with a candidate who doesn’t have a scar so we’re really hoping to pick him up.” He sounds too modern. I’m surprised Overanalyzing Avatar likes him so much.
I think OA's affection towards Zhao may be simply because he's characterized at all, even if it's unfitting and over the top, as opposed to someone like Katara who literally doesn't have any discernable character traits for the entire season.
@@FishStickOnAStick In his full review video, he says something like he is a breath of fresh hair since he is the only cartoony and over the top character (which normally he dislikes) in a show full of lifeless characters. So I'd say your thesis is justified
If the Avatar could see the future then why didn't Kyoshi boop vision into Roku seeing Sozin on his fukshit. She should be haunting him not yelling at the 12 year old
And this ladies and gentlemen is why, as a world builder you can’t just casually add in powers resembling all-knowingness such as “future vision”. You gotta really think through the consequences first.
If they cut out Sokka's sexism and turned Suki into a lovesick stalker, there's absolutely 0 chance they would do Kataang in this adaptation, even if Katara wasn't a cardboard cutout. Zutara certainly looks to be in the cards if they ship Katara with anyone. And honestly? Given how badly this show butchers... everything, a good shitpost can at least be entertaining. It's not that it couldn't work with some rewrites, but I don't trust this show when it comes to doing anything writing related, right.
I will confirm that the novels, which the freaking Netflix show pulls from, does not characterize Kyoshi as the murderhobo the fandom does. She is willing to take a life, but usually in very dire cricumstances. The first novel is a well written revenge story and the second is a follow-up to said revenge story, both of which are well worth reading. I am not going to say anything else here to avoid spoiling those who may be interested, just know that I was frustrated with Kyoshi's characterization as well, especially since they clearly were pulling from the novels later in the show.
the single thing i liked about the new show was Zhao. the smarmy pompous "i know more than you" vibe is very "first season villain" and i appreciated that he is probably the most faithful character except for _spoiler_ his death
Hold on a minute, in the Escape from the Spirit World scene you used to illustrate Kyoshi's character, she's explaining why she founded the Dai Li, and that she specifically never intended them to become an Earthbender version of the Gestapo, and she had no idea what they would turn into by Aang's time. If Live Action Kyoshi DOES have precognition, or at least her past lives have it, should she not have known what founding the Dai Li would have done? How did this faction rise to such immense power if The Avatar had the ability to just SEE all their nefarious political schemes? How are the Dai Li going to be a feasible threat if Aang, Kyoshi or any number of the other Avatars SHOULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING 2 LIVES AGO? Are they going to just use it as another exposition dump to clunkily force us to understand the stakes AGAIN?
No one bothered to warn Kyoshi that the organization she founded would grow to be arguably more corrupt than the Fire Nation, or about Chin the Conqueror before he marched onto her doorstep, no one bothered to warn Kuruk about Koh, and no one warned Roku about Sozin. It's just a mess.
Dude I have no idea why some people (even those who hated the show) love the live action Xhao. Like wtf did you listen to that god awful speech he gave after capturing Aang. “Tonight we cel-e-brate”. That was like the corniest sh*t I’ve ever heard. And the delivery was just ugh… I almost threw up. There was like rumor going around that the actor played Xhao, when casted, thought that he was casted for James Cameron’s Avatar and holy sh*t that could be true. 😅
@@InternetRabbitHole Yeah the guy who kidnaps the Ambassador's daughter and holds them to ransom and even names the movie by saying the words "Rush hour" and the guy Carter kills in part one," Fight me like a man"
It’s weird that this Zuko is so kind, and considerate. Considering he seems to have been burned and banished, for.. not killing his father.., or something. He fights his father, and even seemed to win, but, Ozai just burns him anyway. You’d think this Zuko wouldn’t be so merciful, and just blast anyone in his way. Especially when it comes to capturing the avatar. Instead Kyoshi is the crazy brutal one. Except towards the people that really should be stopped. She uses her powers to pick up already downed soldiers, spin them around in the air, and then smash them into a building. They’re just grunts and their already down, but she beats them even more, while she just lets Zhoa go. Are we sure Kyoshi isn’t evil?
Seems pretty odd that Zuko is so consistently merciful when showing mercy and compassion to even his own nation's soldiers was a sign of weakness that got him banished in the first place. You would think if he was trying to restore his honor in the eyes of his father, he'd take his lesson a bit more to heart. Especially considering in the original, he really seemed to internalize Ozai's lesson on the ends justifying the means until his true nature came through in the end when it came down to the wire during The Storm.
@@FishStickOnAStick Actually in ep2 he tries to kill Katara while she is disarmed so i guess he somewhat took it to heart, although him doing something even season 1 Zuko wouldn't do is really clashing with the good guy but misguided take they are going for with him.
@@malikpierre-louis3343 He's just completely inconsistent. They finally have him committing to do something villainous just so they can delay him from completing his actual, already villainous goals. Also in later episodes, Zuko has such a strong sense of honor that he hates the idea of using a disguise or hiring a mercenary, but he has no issue with nearly executing a defenseless girl, or wearing a disguise literally a single episode later with zero acknowledgement from himself or any other character. Zuko's character is an absolute mess.
Loving these videos. Good catch that Kyoshi could have just killed Zhao right then, if she cared so much. I really disliked the changes they made to how the avatar lore works. The shrines rule directly lead to contrivances about how easily Aang infiltrated the Fire Nation just to talk to Roku. But this is where we diverge a bit, because I kinda like Ken Leung's take on Commander Zhao. He's mustache twirly in a way that feels like he might be the only one here who knows what kind of show he's making. (Ironic considering he legit thought he was doing James Cameron's Avatar when he got cast)
Zhao is the only change I can forgive, it's a campy take but it's a change that doesn't do away with his function in the story. He cooks up trouble with Zuko's crew, effs up stuff on Kioshi Island, is generally a twat to everyone and kills the moon spirit. As fun as animated Zhao was, he didn't really add to much to the whole show beyond what I mentioned earlier.
How the fuck would the firenation forget about when the comet came when he literally see in the headband that they teach students revisionist history about when they fought the non existent air national army on the fucking day of sozins comet
They apparently need a model of the heavens that shows when the comet will return, despite having hundreds of years of history that would demonstrate the comet returns once every hundred years exactly with a very easy degree of predictability to the point where even other nations celebrated its arrival by this show's own changes. By the way it's literally the exact same as the closing stinger of the movie, except the movie had the balls to say that the comet would be arriving in three years while the show just says it will be coming vaguely soon.
These avatar videos are great but do you expect me to pick up what you are saying when you use bangers like the OG Ratchet and Clank soundtrack?! But seriously great videos
I hate the Avatar summoning, even with the temple limitations it feels to strong and lax. Im pretty sure there was a water avatar with a shrine in the north pole, cant he just summon an avatar there and let him go apeshit? What about the largest city in the world? What about the fire nation capital. Pretty sure there are hundreds of Avatara to just call as if they were RPG summons.
I guess you didn't watch the Netflix show, but Aang does ask Avatar Kuruk at the Northern Water Tribe to take on the Fire Nation. Kuruk says that he can't because fighting dark spirits in his lifetime weakened his body and soul too much. How convenient, amirite???
Y'all missing one point no Avatar is going to save the world here but Katara is. Look at how fast she travels with her bare feet. i am telling you she is so powerful that ozai would shiver just by looking at her. She is the master who doesn't need any shitty men to teach her waterbeding she is the force of nature
I know one thing is for sure the writers are going for either zutara or katara is gonna be alone or a lesbian just my suspicion but zuko is too nice way too nice in this adaptation, when I’m the original bro called katara a fucking peasant 😂
Why not make Ruko Angry at Aang? I know Roku is responsible, but that makes way more sense and can be explained. Roku and Aang are the same person; just Roku has a different personality and different memories. It can be understood that Ruko is a way of Aang processing His anger at himself. Roku is Angry because he is Aang. He is closest to Aang regarding the timeline, so Aang is more tied to those Memories. It also adds a double-whammy of Aang blaming himself for the genocide because, in his past life, he didn't stop Sozin. This means that while Aang didn't technically run away from the temple, he thinks this is because Roku felt he ran away from his duty as an avatar by keeping Sozin alive. It could be explained that Aang's Spirit might not remember the events but remembers the feelings, and Aang had to enter the Avatar state at least once to begin accessing the memories. So Roku's anger is made worse because both are feeding off their disappointment in themselves and each other's failures. Once Aang unlocks the actual memories, he lets go of the anger, understanding that both he and Roku were put in spots that were far too difficult for them to understand at the time. Who would assume that their best friend would go straight to Genocide after they died? Kyoshi wasn't there for what Aang did and lived one full lifetime between her death and Aang's birth, meaning that Aang's connection to her should be weaker. I know "Adaptational differences," but these differences ignore the tension that Roku brought. I find it more compelling that Aang is talking to the Man who allowed the genocide of his people to happen, even if it was by accident. The show could have added so much more tension by having Roku explain early how he messed up by letting Sozin Live. It wouldn't be great, but it would be a change that would add some understanding of why people are angry. It's not even the Aang people who are upset with the concept of the Avatar who were given the chance to prevent the war who didn't.
I actually liked zhao's character in this show. (Problem: he's supposed to be hated.) He's like a watered down version of azula because they were too afraid to make azula so cunning in this show (or give her any character traits) and I get to laugh when he pulls one over on the petulant twelve year old they are pretending is zuko. The fact that this is basically the only character writing praise I can give the show is a pretty clear indicator that the show is bad. I've decided that zhao is just an entirely new character that they've added to this story with a very common name and when they remember to give him consistent character traits he's quite an interesting addition to the story.
I agree with most points, but to be fair, the OG didn’t really establish how Aang connects to the his past lives every time. His first interaction is on the Winter Solstice, which is the returning of more sunshine, which would make sense for Roku since he is naturally a fire bender. Then he is wearing Kiyoshi’s equipment, which the village elder mentions in a throw away line, that it’s said her equipment is imbued with Kitoshi’s spirit. Then he just meets Roku in the Spirit world on a Full Moon. But then when he’s in the Avatar state in the Season two premiere, it’s as if Roku just pulls him into the Spirit world. And season three, Roku and Yue just manifest in the physical world. And then Aang pulls the spirits out of him in the finale. It’s not really well established, but they also don’t really draw a lot of attention to it as well. Either way, I think how they handled things was sloppy.
This video is terrible. That show aaa great but this is nothing but random complaints. Seasons 2 and 3 are coming and Im glad because it was a fun ride. Folks like you spend your time nitpicking things because you already had your mind made up before it came out and this video shows.
No, what you're doing is refusing to engage with valid arguments. People who complain about Netflix Avatar didn't just have their minds made up before they watched it, and they aren't complaining just because it's different from the original. Dune book fans mostly love the Denis Villeneuve films in spite of (and sometimes because of) the changes. Same with Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings. I just finished watching Rebuild of Evangelion last night (the film series that reimagined the anime), and I loved how ultimately it was extremely different yet faithful to the spirit of the franchise. I really, really wanted Netflix Avatar to be good. I went in not just with an open mind, but with cautious optimism. You just have extremely thin skin and can't accept that many, MANY Avatar fans hate the Netflix adaptation for LEGITIMATE REASONS, not "nitpicks." Live action Bumi does not even make sense with the rest of the story in seasons two and three. What about neutral Jing? What about the Order of the White Lotus? Bumi is intimately involved with both, so the live action version's Bumi is completely out of line if neutral Jing (which is what makes Aang decide that he needs Toph to be his earthbending master) and the White Lotus (which is how Iroh retakes and stabilizes Ba Sing Se) still exist in the story. Oh, and then there's the matter of Bumi trying to FORCE A 12-YEAR-OLD KID TO COMMIT MURDER OR SUICIDE. Seriously what the actual f*** is wrong with you if thought that was OK? That's like putting a gun in a kid's hand and forcing them to either shoot themselves or another person in order to brainwash them into becoming a child soldier. There's no world in which that is acceptable behavior, so when it happens in fiction, it's atrocious storytelling.
@ydgmdlu nah, there are many many who also enjoyed the Netflix adaptation. So in reality it is a mixed bag but to have soooooooo many complaints instead of constructive criticism does indicate those fans were going to hate it from the start. Even the original show had flaws within it as well. Trust me, I watched the original show 5 times through and LOVED it but I can still point out the flaws (like the fact that the first season is slow at times and has episodes that deviate from the main plot and the fact that it feels like a kid show [I know it is a kid show btw and I'm ok with it but still..it feels that way at times]). Again, to make video after video after video of small details yadda..yadda....what is the point but to feed the fans that had their minds made up from the start. Its not going to change anything...soooo...just take a step back and enjoy the content or dismiss it because again seasons 2 and 3 are coming regardless. Obviously enough people loved it to get greenlit so to me, more "fans" and non fans enjoyed it more than they hated it. Lastly, you went off about Bumi and making a 12 year old kid coming suicide?? Have you not seen the original show? It was about a 12 year old kid having to make adult decisions with other young kids. It was about war and fighting thr fire Lord who only wanted to literally kill other people for his glory. The difference is, it was animated and leaned into the light hearted side of things but the war was always there even in the animated series. You think that part what Bumi did is the worst thing that happens in WAR??? Come on man, that was nothing compared to what really happens and in live action, I'm glad they portrayed to the more realistic side of the story (war, darkness, loss, sadness). Remember, most fans were kids watching the show and are now adults. So it is wise to make it more "adult like" versus "kid like." Yea Im sorry but I totally disagree with everything you are saying.
@@henrysimmons6767 things don't get greenlit because there are fans who like it, it's greenlit because enough people bothered to watch it in the first place. Take HBO max's Velma. Terrible show, but it has a s2 because enough people streamed it. Alot of people felt that natla was incredibly meh and but are loyal to the franchise so obviously watched it. S2 and s3 i bet will have alot of people watching either because they love the original, because they love the Netflix adaption or just to hate watch. Good for you that you enjoyed this, but personally they dropped the ball hard. I'm just praying that the ball gets picked up for s2 and s3
@@henrysimmons6767 my point was correcting you on the types of people who watched it to cause it to be greenlit. Good reviews or positive reception doesnt matter, only viewership. Netflix aren't allowing s2 and 3 to be made because people like it, they are making it to make more money as they know atla has a huge fan base who will watch things no matter what. Me admitting that I'll still watch this series isn't a "gotcha" moment
The original kyoshi was more so like "eh, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do, you're probably gonna have to kill that guy aang." Whereas this kyoshi is foaming at the mouth for aang to murder people
What's funny is that all of the past Avatars gave Aang basically the same advice, which is the entire point of those scenes, but everyone singles out Kyoshi I guess because she's the only Avatar with a confirmed body count even if it's a technicality. No one's out here saying Yangchen is a bloodthirsty murder demon.
The funny thing in that scene from the original show, Kyoshi only shared her own experience and perspective. Yangchen was the one who actually told Aang "this isnt about you" and "you need to do what is best for the world"
People forget she let chin conquer the whole earth kingdom until he reached her corner. She's more of don't cross me.
@@Fire91ful not to mention she didn't even directly kill him, sure her actions led to his death, but it's not a murder. She just doesn't think the distinction matters, not that she's happy to take credit for his death
@@axthxrnI always thought this was because it was a nick show for kids. As an adult I always took it to be that she actually DID kill him but they couldn’t show murder on screen (Jets death anyone?) but I guess that’s not technically cannon
I feel like Kiyoshi got mischaracterized by the fandom over the years and that seeped into the live-action. Because she 'ruthlessly' killed that conqueror, people think she's this highly aggressive and murder-loving, war-mongering woman when that's far from it. She was always a blunt, straightforward woman who was willing to go the lengths to preserve peace for the people and wanted Aang to understand that being the Avatar came with those responsibilites
She didn't even "ruthlessly kill" him. His stubbornness resulted in him becoming collateral damage from Kyoshi separating her island from the mainland.
He more or less killed himself.
@@BaldorfBreakdownsShe does admit that she didn't see the difference, but it was much more of a "well that's that" kinda reaction; she's less murder happy and more "sometimes ya gotta do it to em" in terms of her thoughts on killing as part of an Avatar's duty
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I honestly hate the whole "I don't see the difference" argument she gave. There is clearly a difference. If she didn't want him dead, that clearly says a lot about what was going on in her mind. She killed him on accident while getting her village out of the way. She didn't want him dead. She made the conscious decision to spare his life, and by pure accident, he died.
Imagine if Aang "killed" Ozai the same way. By sparing him, only to be followed by Ozai tripping off the stone pillar and drowning in the water below. Then Aang goes on a speech about how he did what he had to do.
The difference is that she wasn't trying to kill him. She was solely concerned with protecting her people and didn't care about the consequences. Chin died purely due to not moving (literally and figuratively).
It's no different to Roku sparing Sozin instead of killing him or Aang sparing Ozai. In every instance the Avatar prefers not to act/take life and deals with the consequences of that decision.
Kyoshi "doesn't see the difference" because all she wants is for Chen to stop threatening her people and doesn't care whether he is dead or alive to make that happen
@@rolay7730 I see it as her accepting that her action caused that as a consequence. So instead of trying to say that Chin inadvertently died due to her protecting her people by separating them, she'd rather just state that she killed him by proxy thus taking accountability.
Oh boy. Inb4 people try to bring up the swamp:
That was the SWAMP giving Aang that premonition of Toph, not Aang displaying the ability to see the future.
A very unclear vision might I add. He wasn’t even able to recognize her from her face itself
@@ikeking6797 Very good point. I just know some dummies are gonna only look on the bare bones surface because media literacy is dead.
@@GREATGAIWAIN how this future vision managed to get past the writing and editing board is mind blowing to me
Thank you for pointing out how everyone piles on Aang for disappearing when in this version it WASN'T HIS FAULT!
This episode was where I dropped the show; the changes were really annoying me by this point and I just couldn''t continue. I felt crazy at first because everyone seemed to be praising it when it premiered. Finding more critical videos like yours makes me feel so vindicated. Thanks!
It wasn't his fault in the original, either.
Now, yes, Aang trapping himself in the iceberg was an accident, a desperate bit of instinctual bending to save himself and Appa. But he was scared and completely overwhelmed by responsibility of being the Avatar all of a sudden and was running away from home when the storm hit, That is a *big* difference in motivation compared to the Netflix version, where he was going out for a bit to clear his head and got caught in the storm.@@renatoramos8834
@@renatoramos8834True, but at least in the original he had the intention of running away, so he had a more understandable reason to feel guilty.
Suki kissing Sokka also makes him seem like a jerk when he starts flirting with Yue.
Aang: I was frozen for a hundred years!
Kyoshi: Yeah, and the rest of us had to live with it.
If that conversation actually happened it would have hands down made the show 10 times better
Aang: "But you're already dead!"
@@lasercraft32 Ocean spirit: Yeah, weird
@@lasercraft32Based moment🗿🍷
3:51 i wont spoil the Kyoshi books for anyone who wants to read them, but i'll just say that in my opinion, Kyoshi would actually have a lot of compassion for Aang. She had a very traumatic experience learning she was the Avatar and an extremely tumultuous journey stepping into her responsibilities. Sure she would be matter of fact with Aang in this situation, but she wouldnt be mad. She would empathize and understand. Also, just like how Roku took responsibility for burdening Aang with his mistakes, Kyoshi would also acknowledge how her mistakes contributed to the current state of the world.
This is brutal; so the show runners were using fan perception of Kyoshi. Brutal
@@fools5271 to be fair, even though the books are canon, most fans of the show probably havent read them. So the showrunners were really only responsible for portraying Kyoshi as she appeared in the original show, but i think they failed to even do that.
@@ATLA99 I mean they bothered to read the atla comics where they even referenced the mother of all faces.
Zhao was the competent threat to Zuko's Saturday morning arch-nemesis. The one the Fire Nation sends when they learn the Avatar is back, who will ACTUALLY get the job done.
Take a look at The Blue Spirit for an example. He goes out of his way to recruit the Yuyan Archers, correctly deducing they would be just the edge he needed. He gained the right to use them when he is just casually promoted mid-season, showing that the man had already been on the cusp of the highest Naval ranking solely on his own merits. He outright successfully captures Aang, knocks him out, and chains him up in a way he can't bend his way out. When he tells Aang, "There's no escape from this fortress, and nobody is coming to rescue you," that isn't a bad-guy bluff, he is ENTIRELY CORRECT. Aang had no way of escaping, Sokka and Katara were incapacitated and had no idea where he was, and if not for Zuko's interference, Zhao would have won the war for the Fire Nation right then and there. And Zhao isn't fooled, either. The moment he sees Zuko's swords later on, he knows he was the one who sabotaged him.
The attack on the North? A plan he came up with himself after painstaking research, traveling the entire Earth Kingdom and literally digging into the Spirit World library to do so. A plan that WORKED, when he took the bending away from every Water Bender in the world in one punch (eat your heart out, Amon). Zhao nearly destroyed the entire Water Tribe in one blow, something that took a once-in-a-hundred-years comet to do the Air Nomads.
So why did the Netflix series feel a need to completely de-claw and neuter him as a character? Apparently......they just really really really wanted to have Azula in season 1, so they viewed Zhao as an expendable means for her to exert influence a season early. Zhao apparently "failed officer training 3 times", according to a ham-fistedly added line from a Fire Nation soldier. Azula is the one that facilitates Zhao's promotion, sends him the Archers, and comes up with all the brilliant plans. Zhao only gets ahold of Aang after ZUKO captures him first. And of course, Azula is the one who recognizes the Blue Spirit's swords, because Zhao can't have even one thing to himself. Zhao became an incompetent, glory-seeking stool pigeon for Azula, and basically admits as much in his LAST WORDS before being casually offed. Not by a raging ocean spirit brought about by his own actions, but a single fireball from Iroh.
I feel like the writers saw the Jiong Jiong episode, and also the one part where Zhao gets attacked by Momo and they were like “Yep, this guy’s a joke villain. We can use this to give Azula a greater presence in season 1.” so they greatly increased Zhao’s areas of incompetence. By the way, they also had Azula conquer Omashu at the same time. So basically, they made Azula the leader of BOTH the “diversion” raid on the Northern Water Tribe AND the “real” raid on Omashu.
Come to think of it… how come Kyoshi knew about the attack on the North but not the one on Omashu?
Brilliant breakdown of Zhao, I'll probably go more in depth on him later in the series, but I feel like a lot of people underrate him as an effective and competent antagonist because he doesn't have a lot of character depth the way someone like Zuko does. I don't think Zhao necessarily needed that in order to function effectively in the story, and his role was served well, and greatly elevated by Jason Isaacs's performance.
@@joshbuoy8661 Because prophecy is a bullshit and inconsistent plot device that the writers shove in whenever they need to advance the story or add stakes.
If you wanna do future vision, make it be inconsistant or infrequeny short little snippits of what might happen, rather than what will always happen unless you contrive it not to be.
For example; in a dream you see character A fall for character B but then Character A actually falls for character C, but the reasoning for why are the same as in the bubbles, it's just that it matches more with character C than character B.
When you get to the last episode don't forget to mention that the ice princess water bends while the moon is dead.
Oh my God she does!? I totally missed that!
could it be because the moon spirit was still in her?
Oh my God I didn’t think this show could make less sense 🤦🏻♀️
She bends because she has the moon spirit inside of her still. Yall need to stop with the dumb stuff
@Purplebeamer exactly..lol..some people just like to complain just because
Zhao got the shaft in this show, basically every threatening, resourceful or competent part of his character has been either stripped away or attributed to Azula telling him what to do.
I outloud said while watching Zhao on screen, "Zhao is closer to Wormtongue from Lord of the Rings than he is to Zhao from Avatar."
the only good to come from this series is making me rewatch the original. I wasn't expecting to cry during tales of ba sing se, but Iroh stole the show. best character 10/10 would Iroh again
It made me appreciate the original even more, and it was already my favorite tv show.
8:52 "Maybe it was easier for her when the guy fire bending was really really far away but hey, so was the f****** water!" 🎤 mic drop
Goddamn I love these essays. Therapeutic, insightful, and entertaining.
Where exactly does this stupid meme about Kyoshi beeing a violent murder machine even come from? She is a bit more stern-faced then the other avatars we see, maybe a bit more pragmatic if you take in the advice she gives Aang at the end - but nothing about her struck me as particularly more bloodthirsty then the other avatars.
They read into Kyoshi as a murder monster, because they have this crazy fantasy for an Avatar who don't play by the rules/Dark Avatar fetish which the show runners eventually had to reward them with by creating the sickening Unalaq vaatu, I don't like mentioning that it in most cases because it still makes me sick
I think it’s mostly in contrast to Aang, Kyoshi is the only Avatar we visually see kill someone albeit collaterally. Though honestly Korra murders a lot of people on screen so there’s that.
Because of Avatar Day mostly I assume, since she *absolutely* counts Chin the idiot who didn't move backwards from a crumbling cliff as a kill on her part. The irony being that that was a side effect from her doing something in accordance with Airbending philosophy: Evade and Avoid rather than coming into direct conflict, Chin just stood too close to the cliff as she retreated an entire island away from his army rather than slaughtering his army solo, which I honestly believe she would have been capable of at her skill level.
It's just a joke built off of her telling Aang that he may have to kill the firelord, make a choice he doesn't like so he can protect the world.
Its entirely because of the "personally I don't see the difference" line.
Did... did they write the kiss on the mouth between Sokka and Suki KNOWING he was going to make a move on Yue...? Because... when I saw the kiss, I assumed he wouldn’t have a thing with Yue. But nooo, now Sokka is not "sexist" but definitely disloyal and a CHEATER. Great show, just great 😭
I seriously hate how firebenders firebend with their palms and not their fists. It just takes me out of it
YES! It's fucking awful how they fucking cast fireballs like they are wizards. The OG show actually has alot of open palm strikes but it is either like a Tiger Kungfu stance or ozai charging his nuclear fire torch.
0:39 Ah yes, X-Men. The franchise where you’re either playing one of a couple dozen super beloved characters, or among the large masses of “why do we keep you around?” absolute nobodies.
4:20 Be very careful about adding prophecy and precognition into your story unless you’re going to set limits on it or have them be questionably accurate. An example of how to do this right is in Dune, many of the future visions Paul sees aren’t literal or accurate to the true to life events unless in a very twisted way, if you’ve read the book or seen the recent movies Jamis is a good example. In this series if Kyoshi and presumably all the past Avatars can see the future why don’t they just show Aang a vision of the lion turtle that will grant him his energy bending powers? Why don’t they tell him that if he doesn’t detach himself from the world he’s going to almost die? Is this the only future or are there multiple? What happens if you try and alter it? What can and can’t they see?
Don t forget the adaptation was done by a sports journalist.
So noob writing is to be expected.
I expect some time Travel BS in book2 😅
@@etienne8110 Like in Game of Thrones, we’re going to have time travel for one scene in episode and never bring it up again! Or Harry Potter, all the time travel devices get conveniently destroyed!
@@lorddevilfish5868 there was time travel in games of thrones?
@@etienne8110 Yes in season 6
These costumes... They look like they came to comic con. They don't look like they are wearing clothes they look like they got dressed up for Halloween.
Yeah I don’t understand Zhao’s character in the reboot, I feel that he was hamming it up out of fear that he would be seen as a generic villain or boring, not that Zhao necessarily was in the original.
Man I love this. Way better than watching the show lmao
There’s another creator on here who discussed Zhao’s issue perfectly: it’s that his cadence seems out of the time period that he’s in. The frat boy chant in the blue Sprite Episode demonstrates this perfectly. He sounds like a 9-5 office worker.
“Anyway Zuko I need to jump on a call with a 10th round panel interview with a candidate who doesn’t have a scar so we’re really hoping to pick him up.”
He sounds too modern. I’m surprised Overanalyzing Avatar likes him so much.
I think OA's affection towards Zhao may be simply because he's characterized at all, even if it's unfitting and over the top, as opposed to someone like Katara who literally doesn't have any discernable character traits for the entire season.
@@FishStickOnAStick In his full review video, he says something like he is a breath of fresh hair since he is the only cartoony and over the top character (which normally he dislikes) in a show full of lifeless characters. So I'd say your thesis is justified
Gave you a like because a) good video and b) having to fight the stupid copyright stuff
If the Avatar could see the future then why didn't Kyoshi boop vision into Roku seeing Sozin on his fukshit. She should be haunting him not yelling at the 12 year old
And this ladies and gentlemen is why, as a world builder you can’t just casually add in powers resembling all-knowingness such as “future vision”. You gotta really think through the consequences first.
9:24 - THEY FLY NOW!!!!
If they cut out Sokka's sexism and turned Suki into a lovesick stalker, there's absolutely 0 chance they would do Kataang in this adaptation, even if Katara wasn't a cardboard cutout. Zutara certainly looks to be in the cards if they ship Katara with anyone. And honestly? Given how badly this show butchers... everything, a good shitpost can at least be entertaining. It's not that it couldn't work with some rewrites, but I don't trust this show when it comes to doing anything writing related, right.
You can make as many parts for one episode man. I'd still watch it because you have great commentary.
I will confirm that the novels, which the freaking Netflix show pulls from, does not characterize Kyoshi as the murderhobo the fandom does. She is willing to take a life, but usually in very dire cricumstances. The first novel is a well written revenge story and the second is a follow-up to said revenge story, both of which are well worth reading. I am not going to say anything else here to avoid spoiling those who may be interested, just know that I was frustrated with Kyoshi's characterization as well, especially since they clearly were pulling from the novels later in the show.
"Oh is it because Aang actually has no interest in learning waterbending?" hahahahaha probably....
Thanks for making these the culture needs these
the single thing i liked about the new show was Zhao. the smarmy pompous "i know more than you" vibe is very "first season villain" and i appreciated that he is probably the most faithful character except for
_spoiler_
his death
Comment for the algorithm because of your amazing analysis
When you brought up Hunchback I thought you were going to reference that one guard literally falling to his death to Goofy’s “wahoohoohoo” sound clip
Hold on a minute, in the Escape from the Spirit World scene you used to illustrate Kyoshi's character, she's explaining why she founded the Dai Li, and that she specifically never intended them to become an Earthbender version of the Gestapo, and she had no idea what they would turn into by Aang's time. If Live Action Kyoshi DOES have precognition, or at least her past lives have it, should she not have known what founding the Dai Li would have done? How did this faction rise to such immense power if The Avatar had the ability to just SEE all their nefarious political schemes? How are the Dai Li going to be a feasible threat if Aang, Kyoshi or any number of the other Avatars SHOULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING 2 LIVES AGO? Are they going to just use it as another exposition dump to clunkily force us to understand the stakes AGAIN?
No one bothered to warn Kyoshi that the organization she founded would grow to be arguably more corrupt than the Fire Nation, or about Chin the Conqueror before he marched onto her doorstep, no one bothered to warn Kuruk about Koh, and no one warned Roku about Sozin. It's just a mess.
Dude I have no idea why some people (even those who hated the show) love the live action Xhao. Like wtf did you listen to that god awful speech he gave after capturing Aang. “Tonight we cel-e-brate”. That was like the corniest sh*t I’ve ever heard. And the delivery was just ugh… I almost threw up. There was like rumor going around that the actor played Xhao, when casted, thought that he was casted for James Cameron’s Avatar and holy sh*t that could be true. 😅
9:13 Woah woah woah so the avatar can just turn into one of their past lives? What are the limits of that cause that is incredibly bonkers.
the only video that tackles avatar future vision cannon breaker lmao
The Zhao guy was Juntao in Rush hour
Wait... What???
@@InternetRabbitHole Yeah the guy who kidnaps the Ambassador's daughter and holds them to ransom and even names the movie by saying the words "Rush hour" and the guy Carter kills in part one," Fight me like a man"
@@davidtakyi14 I think his name was Sang in the movie though. Juntao was the white guy who was the actual boss.
@@izakaii Yeah sorry I remember Jackie chan (Lee) chasing him calling him juntao in the beginning so it kinda stuck with me
@@davidtakyi14 Same lol, for the longest time I genuinely thought his name was Juntao
I forgot how beautiful Kyoshi warriors are.
It’s weird that this Zuko is so kind, and considerate. Considering he seems to have been burned and banished, for.. not killing his father.., or something. He fights his father, and even seemed to win, but, Ozai just burns him anyway. You’d think this Zuko wouldn’t be so merciful, and just blast anyone in his way. Especially when it comes to capturing the avatar. Instead Kyoshi is the crazy brutal one. Except towards the people that really should be stopped. She uses her powers to pick up already downed soldiers, spin them around in the air, and then smash them into a building. They’re just grunts and their already down, but she beats them even more, while she just lets Zhoa go. Are we sure Kyoshi isn’t evil?
Seems pretty odd that Zuko is so consistently merciful when showing mercy and compassion to even his own nation's soldiers was a sign of weakness that got him banished in the first place. You would think if he was trying to restore his honor in the eyes of his father, he'd take his lesson a bit more to heart. Especially considering in the original, he really seemed to internalize Ozai's lesson on the ends justifying the means until his true nature came through in the end when it came down to the wire during The Storm.
@@FishStickOnAStick Actually in ep2 he tries to kill Katara while she is disarmed so i guess he somewhat took it to heart, although him doing something even season 1 Zuko wouldn't do is really clashing with the good guy but misguided take they are going for with him.
@@malikpierre-louis3343 He's just completely inconsistent. They finally have him committing to do something villainous just so they can delay him from completing his actual, already villainous goals. Also in later episodes, Zuko has such a strong sense of honor that he hates the idea of using a disguise or hiring a mercenary, but he has no issue with nearly executing a defenseless girl, or wearing a disguise literally a single episode later with zero acknowledgement from himself or any other character. Zuko's character is an absolute mess.
Loving these videos. Good catch that Kyoshi could have just killed Zhao right then, if she cared so much. I really disliked the changes they made to how the avatar lore works. The shrines rule directly lead to contrivances about how easily Aang infiltrated the Fire Nation just to talk to Roku.
But this is where we diverge a bit, because I kinda like Ken Leung's take on Commander Zhao. He's mustache twirly in a way that feels like he might be the only one here who knows what kind of show he's making. (Ironic considering he legit thought he was doing James Cameron's Avatar when he got cast)
Your videos are always delightfully informative
Moral of the story for Netflix's avatar.
budget cuts.
we lacked the budget to add a moral quote due to
budget cuts
I love this series!!
When’s part 6 dropping
I love the halo reach music in the background
Zhao is the only change I can forgive, it's a campy take but it's a change that doesn't do away with his function in the story. He cooks up trouble with Zuko's crew, effs up stuff on Kioshi Island, is generally a twat to everyone and kills the moon spirit.
As fun as animated Zhao was, he didn't really add to much to the whole show beyond what I mentioned earlier.
If Zhao would made Zuko's life harder while "working" with him I would have actually enjoyed watching that
are you going to make videos about the rest of the season?
How the fuck would the firenation forget about when the comet came when he literally see in the headband that they teach students revisionist history about when they fought the non existent air national army on the fucking day of sozins comet
They apparently need a model of the heavens that shows when the comet will return, despite having hundreds of years of history that would demonstrate the comet returns once every hundred years exactly with a very easy degree of predictability to the point where even other nations celebrated its arrival by this show's own changes. By the way it's literally the exact same as the closing stinger of the movie, except the movie had the balls to say that the comet would be arriving in three years while the show just says it will be coming vaguely soon.
I have no issues with this version of Zhao. He's sleazy middle management. And entertaining xD
These avatar videos are great but do you expect me to pick up what you are saying when you use bangers like the OG Ratchet and Clank soundtrack?! But seriously great videos
am i crazy or does the new zhao kinda talk like owen wilson
6:57 "theme of infanticide"? Bruh wasn't that just one scene at the beginning? 💀
I hate the Avatar summoning, even with the temple limitations it feels to strong and lax.
Im pretty sure there was a water avatar with a shrine in the north pole, cant he just summon an avatar there and let him go apeshit?
What about the largest city in the world?
What about the fire nation capital.
Pretty sure there are hundreds of Avatara to just call as if they were RPG summons.
I guess you didn't watch the Netflix show, but Aang does ask Avatar Kuruk at the Northern Water Tribe to take on the Fire Nation. Kuruk says that he can't because fighting dark spirits in his lifetime weakened his body and soul too much. How convenient, amirite???
Y'all missing one point no Avatar is going to save the world here but Katara is. Look at how fast she travels with her bare feet. i am telling you she is so powerful that ozai would shiver just by looking at her. She is the master who doesn't need any shitty men to teach her waterbeding she is the force of nature
ngl i love zhao's actor. he just has this strange delivery that is goofy asf, almost in a good way.
You coming back man?
9:50 Or in some cases people have called him... Bozo
Are you gonna finish this series?
I know one thing is for sure the writers are going for either zutara or katara is gonna be alone or a lesbian just my suspicion but zuko is too nice way too nice in this adaptation, when I’m the original bro called katara a fucking peasant 😂
I had to agree with you
Why not make Ruko Angry at Aang? I know Roku is responsible, but that makes way more sense and can be explained. Roku and Aang are the same person; just Roku has a different personality and different memories. It can be understood that Ruko is a way of Aang processing His anger at himself. Roku is Angry because he is Aang. He is closest to Aang regarding the timeline, so Aang is more tied to those Memories. It also adds a double-whammy of Aang blaming himself for the genocide because, in his past life, he didn't stop Sozin.
This means that while Aang didn't technically run away from the temple, he thinks this is because Roku felt he ran away from his duty as an avatar by keeping Sozin alive. It could be explained that Aang's Spirit might not remember the events but remembers the feelings, and Aang had to enter the Avatar state at least once to begin accessing the memories. So Roku's anger is made worse because both are feeding off their disappointment in themselves and each other's failures. Once Aang unlocks the actual memories, he lets go of the anger, understanding that both he and Roku were put in spots that were far too difficult for them to understand at the time. Who would assume that their best friend would go straight to Genocide after they died?
Kyoshi wasn't there for what Aang did and lived one full lifetime between her death and Aang's birth, meaning that Aang's connection to her should be weaker. I know "Adaptational differences," but these differences ignore the tension that Roku brought. I find it more compelling that Aang is talking to the Man who allowed the genocide of his people to happen, even if it was by accident. The show could have added so much more tension by having Roku explain early how he messed up by letting Sozin Live. It wouldn't be great, but it would be a change that would add some understanding of why people are angry. It's not even the Aang people who are upset with the concept of the Avatar who were given the chance to prevent the war who didn't.
The Netflix show literally had Roku say that he is not the same person as Aang or any of the other Avatars.
Even better why not Yangchen ?!
2:14-2:23 🤣🤣🤣
I actually liked zhao's character in this show. (Problem: he's supposed to be hated.) He's like a watered down version of azula because they were too afraid to make azula so cunning in this show (or give her any character traits) and I get to laugh when he pulls one over on the petulant twelve year old they are pretending is zuko. The fact that this is basically the only character writing praise I can give the show is a pretty clear indicator that the show is bad. I've decided that zhao is just an entirely new character that they've added to this story with a very common name and when they remember to give him consistent character traits he's quite an interesting addition to the story.
I agree with most points, but to be fair, the OG didn’t really establish how Aang connects to the his past lives every time.
His first interaction is on the Winter Solstice, which is the returning of more sunshine, which would make sense for Roku since he is naturally a fire bender. Then he is wearing Kiyoshi’s equipment, which the village elder mentions in a throw away line, that it’s said her equipment is imbued with Kitoshi’s spirit. Then he just meets Roku in the Spirit world on a Full Moon.
But then when he’s in the Avatar state in the Season two premiere, it’s as if Roku just pulls him into the Spirit world. And season three, Roku and Yue just manifest in the physical world. And then Aang pulls the spirits out of him in the finale.
It’s not really well established, but they also don’t really draw a lot of attention to it as well. Either way, I think how they handled things was sloppy.
This video is terrible. That show aaa great but this is nothing but random complaints. Seasons 2 and 3 are coming and Im glad because it was a fun ride. Folks like you spend your time nitpicking things because you already had your mind made up before it came out and this video shows.
No, what you're doing is refusing to engage with valid arguments. People who complain about Netflix Avatar didn't just have their minds made up before they watched it, and they aren't complaining just because it's different from the original. Dune book fans mostly love the Denis Villeneuve films in spite of (and sometimes because of) the changes. Same with Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings. I just finished watching Rebuild of Evangelion last night (the film series that reimagined the anime), and I loved how ultimately it was extremely different yet faithful to the spirit of the franchise. I really, really wanted Netflix Avatar to be good. I went in not just with an open mind, but with cautious optimism.
You just have extremely thin skin and can't accept that many, MANY Avatar fans hate the Netflix adaptation for LEGITIMATE REASONS, not "nitpicks." Live action Bumi does not even make sense with the rest of the story in seasons two and three. What about neutral Jing? What about the Order of the White Lotus? Bumi is intimately involved with both, so the live action version's Bumi is completely out of line if neutral Jing (which is what makes Aang decide that he needs Toph to be his earthbending master) and the White Lotus (which is how Iroh retakes and stabilizes Ba Sing Se) still exist in the story.
Oh, and then there's the matter of Bumi trying to FORCE A 12-YEAR-OLD KID TO COMMIT MURDER OR SUICIDE. Seriously what the actual f*** is wrong with you if thought that was OK? That's like putting a gun in a kid's hand and forcing them to either shoot themselves or another person in order to brainwash them into becoming a child soldier. There's no world in which that is acceptable behavior, so when it happens in fiction, it's atrocious storytelling.
@ydgmdlu nah, there are many many who also enjoyed the Netflix adaptation. So in reality it is a mixed bag but to have soooooooo many complaints instead of constructive criticism does indicate those fans were going to hate it from the start. Even the original show had flaws within it as well. Trust me, I watched the original show 5 times through and LOVED it but I can still point out the flaws (like the fact that the first season is slow at times and has episodes that deviate from the main plot and the fact that it feels like a kid show [I know it is a kid show btw and I'm ok with it but still..it feels that way at times]). Again, to make video after video after video of small details yadda..yadda....what is the point but to feed the fans that had their minds made up from the start. Its not going to change anything...soooo...just take a step back and enjoy the content or dismiss it because again seasons 2 and 3 are coming regardless. Obviously enough people loved it to get greenlit so to me, more "fans" and non fans enjoyed it more than they hated it.
Lastly, you went off about Bumi and making a 12 year old kid coming suicide?? Have you not seen the original show? It was about a 12 year old kid having to make adult decisions with other young kids. It was about war and fighting thr fire Lord who only wanted to literally kill other people for his glory. The difference is, it was animated and leaned into the light hearted side of things but the war was always there even in the animated series. You think that part what Bumi did is the worst thing that happens in WAR??? Come on man, that was nothing compared to what really happens and in live action, I'm glad they portrayed to the more realistic side of the story (war, darkness, loss, sadness). Remember, most fans were kids watching the show and are now adults. So it is wise to make it more "adult like" versus "kid like." Yea Im sorry but I totally disagree with everything you are saying.
@@henrysimmons6767 things don't get greenlit because there are fans who like it, it's greenlit because enough people bothered to watch it in the first place. Take HBO max's Velma. Terrible show, but it has a s2 because enough people streamed it. Alot of people felt that natla was incredibly meh and but are loyal to the franchise so obviously watched it. S2 and s3 i bet will have alot of people watching either because they love the original, because they love the Netflix adaption or just to hate watch. Good for you that you enjoyed this, but personally they dropped the ball hard. I'm just praying that the ball gets picked up for s2 and s3
@yabazyabacoffee which means you are going to watch season 2 and 3. Lol. Got it.
@@henrysimmons6767 my point was correcting you on the types of people who watched it to cause it to be greenlit. Good reviews or positive reception doesnt matter, only viewership. Netflix aren't allowing s2 and 3 to be made because people like it, they are making it to make more money as they know atla has a huge fan base who will watch things no matter what. Me admitting that I'll still watch this series isn't a "gotcha" moment
Why was this green lite for 2 more seasons 💀
I did like kyoshi here mainly because I don't respect this avatar because he is terrible vs all the others