I don’t like the fuel in frame design, seems to me it would cause excessive weight shift during braking, turning, etc. from the fuel surging forward and side to side, which could change the CG(center of gravity), say you have 3 gallons that suddenly surges ANY direction, at 6 pounds per gallon, that’s 18 pounds of weight shifting! On a relatively light vehicle, 650 pounds wet, including the rider, that’s a HUGE, and largely unexpected variable. Again, my opinion/observation, but I’m also not a rocket surgeon either.
Nice review mate👍was awesome hearing you catching your buell bug😂👌 that's the thing with buell, not the fastest, not the smoothest, not the most elegant, mine twitches all over the place! but I wouldn't trade my buell for anything! A bike you have to really ride, no abs, no traction control, just a donk of an engine with as you say less than average front brakes! Love it!! I know you can get them but seems a shame they didnt release a twin rotor setup to modernize and hopfully balance out the front braking system. As you say can be a bit scary at times but that forced learning curve is what keeps me in love with it😂😂😂! Enjoying your vids man, you've just gained another sub👍
A little tip for the front brakes, lock the lever in the depressed position overnight with a zip tie and I promise that squishing lever will be as solid as a rock on track day after you release it
@@bodied93toy66 I have five Buells including a 2008 1125R. The ONLY reason the brakes faded is that the rider rode a bike that he did not FIRST sort out the brake fluid and pads before riding the track. He knows better, and wasted a whole track day experience for want of "check it before you ride it". He then has the temerity to belittle the Buell rather than man up to it being solely his fault, not Buell. Next item is fuel in the frame complaint from a non-owner. The fuel is in the frame because it DOES work better and does NOT wildly flutter fuel to and fro. Of all the ill conceived comments on this video, your must be the most ill thought out mushy and pretentious spam to date. 🤨
@@bodied93toy66but doesn't the fuel also shift in a regular gas tank? That is mounted higher so would have a larger impact. Think about it. Also they are not the first, honda did it with the nsr500 back in the day and that bike was dominant. Also watch videos of the hammerhead racing. Its crazy fast side to side
@yammienoob. I've been tracking Buells for the greater part of a decade, and I can tell you with 100% certainty what you felt on this isn't normal on Buell standards. brake fade does happen, but not within 3 laps like this. 10-15laps on a really hot day maybe. I suspect that system isn't bled properly.
@@thetemplar8695 - It would be better to have a spare wheel/rotor than swap rotors 'under race conditions', but a spare rotor was a good call as some would warp from time to time....
I club raced the 1125R and noted that on hot days you really had to keep an eye on front tire pressure, cuz some rotor heat transfers directly to the rim and can raise pressure quite a bit - but maybe that was just me....brake fade after just a couple of laps is something I did not see tho.
Buell has tried twin disc brembos, twin perimiter discs, and the single always performed the best on the track. There's something wrong with either the fluid boiling over or the pad material, not the design itself.
Hope you look and see what type and condition pads are with a tester demo. Also some suspension setting stuff, if some quirks can be diled out. Just want the best light for it. Love what Buell does and want them to excell. They would be in a different place if Harley wasnt so stupid. They need to be strong and show they can fight through some lows. They have had their fair share in a short time. Lots of people are there for this great company i think we will be rewarded when Buell is properly on its feet again
They've spent years trying conventional twin disc's, dual perimeter brake, but the single always performed. There's something for sure wrong with the fluid boiling over or the pads been street pads. Easy/cheap 15min fix though.
Yeah man, I'm right with you. Hurts hearing about it in a almost bad light. They should have given him the super cruiser 😅 This is probably their last big go and they put a lot together without the millions of dollars in r & d like the big 4 its surely getting compared too. Last American sport bike company that's trying..
@jordanlabre in the next few years I'm pretty optimistic, but I think the Super Cruiser will undoubtedly be class leading no matter what. 💯 buying one. The biggest concern I have though is if they want to get into GP it'll never happen due to the crazy aero engineering, and all the little cheats they use.
@@backroadbeetle4781 I agree with that! It's a sick bike and super light. In very curious about it. I have a gen 2 vmax and the biggest downside is it's weight and there isn't much to do about it either. Almost the same power but hundreds less lbs!
A major "magazine" tested essentially the same bike vs an 1198 Panigale (9 years ago) at a racetrack and the EBR (Buell) did not suffer the brake fade issues your bike did. I strongly suspect that your particular bike had an issue having nothing to do with the brake's basic design. You do your viewers a disservice in summarily criticizing the design as the cause of it's poor performance. Have the front brake reviewed by a tech that is familiar with this design to ferret out what's wrong and take the bike back to the track. Seems only fair.
You keep stating it’s cable throttle, you’ll find it has cables going to a throttle position sensor and it’s fly by. They do this because it gives a more natural feel and progression to the throttle. If it’s got bi directional quick shift it can’t be cable operated as the ecu has to blip it
Install a set of SBS 856ds or Vesrah race pads, will be a night and day difference in brake performance. Bleeding the brakes with good fresh fluid is required for sustained track use. Something is not setup properly, been racing and doing track days for nine years on my 2014 EBR 1190rx. bike is rock solid and stable, and totally predictable when setup properly. Never experienced any of the issues you are experiencing with mine. Better tires would be beneficial. Rear shock upgrade works wonders too.
Glad to hear it's likely a relatively minor issue, not a serious design flaw. Been looking forward to seeing how the new Buell performed. Sounds like an awesome and torquey street bike. YN was clearly impressed on the street driving. I suspect you're spot on and it just needs quality pads and flush/bleeding. Great but brutally honest review.
The original EBR 1190 had cooling ducts around the breaking system to help keep the calipers cool. You can't make the same bike for 10 years without any further development, but I hope that they do keep on developing, and send them to europe in the future.
People trying to talk down about this bike. Saying it's old technology blah blah blah. Lacking ABS is a bummer. This bike is not made to be a full on track weapon like a Ducati V4S. It's made to be a bad ass street machine and whoop all your friends asses when you out for a casual ride. It looks bad ass. Hopefully it's rock solid reliable.
I would have liked to see Brandon Altmeyer ride this bike. He could have done the track test better justice, he definitely knows how to put the bikes through there paces and honestly is a better rider.
Good that you continue to point out it is a new bike that is old school but I'm thinking your honest review was not what Buell wanted to have live on forever on the internet.
They should be close, performance wise. I own a 1125r and I rode a RC51. My bike has about 130 hp at the wheel and if I remember the Honda with mods was around same. The stock gearing was a bit to high and a lot of people changed the gearing to make it better.
I still miss my 2000 RSV Mille, back when no one had even heard of an April-Who? The days, when the lack of traction control meant v-twins ruled the corners, even more so than they do today.
Had a false neutral from fifth down to fourth while in Arkansas on a group ride on a 2023 KTM super adventure S 1290.. luckily I stopped before going off the road, first thing I went and started watching was twist of the wrist 2 lol (recommended by a buddy of mine) long story short really kick that shifter down. Idk if newer bikes are just flawed or what but yeah I’ve had this problem too. Yammi I respect you and mean nothing twords you with This comment. You sir know more then a lot of if not a majority of people riding in the road. Just wanted to say that everything explained in this video is known from pure experience. Keep doing what your doing! Learn more and more and relate to a lot your saying with your other content as well. ✌🏼
There is something wrong with the brakes. Might need a flush and bleed with new pads. Ive never rode an 1190 but i track my 1125R and have Incredible brakes with no fade. From my understanding its the same brake systems
Thanks for being honest, Yam. 99% of the people who buy this will never reach the limits you reached in this video. Old school tells the story. Technology has moved on and the Buell needs to embrace the best parts of it.
Lmao!!! Yeah. So basically not having the unbelieavably relyable safety net of modern ABS, is a bit concerning to a modern sport rider. You guys are spoiled, and riding a 2023 GSXR, I can totally see why... the stupid thing blurps the throttle every time I shift for me. WFT?
@@lfinsterlHonestly he can’t ride that bike to the limit. That bike a very skilled, bike feeling type of rider and a very strong one too. The bike is an absolute animal. He would have been doing nothing but wheelies had he really been in it!!
My old 1125R never had brake fade issues. It had the ZTL2 with the 8-piston caliper… Essentially the same system. Something must be wrong with the bike.
I've read quite a few buell reviews and never have i ever heard anything complain about the brakes. Obviously something is wrong with that bike. Send it back let then figure out whats wrong and then give it a fair shakedown
Those brakes will work great if you change out the pads. I've owned 2 Buells in the past and for some reason the pads on them suck. Change pads and bleed them and you'll be amazed of the difference
Wonder if they changed the pad material, the EBR's didn't have front brake issues unless it was really hot out. I know the guys that track these swap the master for a brembo rcs19 and use either versa XX or SBS DS pads.
As far as I know, Suzuki motorcycles are known to have this fading effect on braking and people usually solve this by replacing the original braking hoses with braided ones (aeroquip). Considering that the fading came right at the beginning, it may be an issue with this specific unit (bleeding, hoses, fluid, and so on) but it would be good to know how this issue was sorted out.
Bummer you have an issue with those brakes! Obviously press bikes get flogged like a rental:) Did you check the pads/chain/tire pressure before getting on track? If they're ok, you should take everyone through the "New Buell" warranty procedure, I'm very curious about that!
Had a s2 t thunderbolt since 97 never had a problem with the brakes on that p&m 6pot .good for 145 with that old sporty engine.still this one doesn’t look that far from it.hi from New Zealand 🇳🇿 7
i tracked the 1125r and had to flush my brakes at the end of every day, would make sure i had fresh fluid before any race, the brake fade is a severe problem and never really found a fix for it other than maybe a conversion to a bigger caliper, one bonus was i never warped a front rotor on my buell, but changed rotors on my daytona pretty regularly it seemed
Thanks for sharing. I've aways wanted a Buell because they've always been different. However, for a modern machine at this price point I would expect a fly by wire throttle with a blipper.
I agree with the comments below. The extreme break fade doesn't make sense. The perimeter disk has more mass than a conventional disk and should heat up slower for the same energy input. I suspect you had air in the lines. Did you contact Buell? What did they say?
In theory the brake design has massive power. Something seems off with the execution on this one. Pads, fluid? The huge rotor size has both power and cooling benefits over the usual sizes. Only oddity is the 8 pots - maybe too many and the force/pressure is too spread out or too much fluid exposed to a heatet surface. Four pot might have been better choice, with more common pad size so race pads can be installed for track days.
It's essentially the same setup that dates back to the Buell(pre-EBR) 1125R, and they have never had a reputation for fading like this - gotta be something setup/maintenance related
I was 100% in on buying one. After this, I definitely don't want anything to do with a bike that has shitty brakes, especially on a track. I'll give em 6 more years to figure things out.
I’ve got a 2006 XB12r myself and found the same issue with the brakes; changing the engagement setting on the lever made the world of difference tho from 1-5 I keep it on 3 and get more aggressive braking overall (to be expected) where as before it was very underwhelming tbh
Sounds like a mechanical. I'm friends with one of the guys that did the promo video for that bike. His personal bike is an EBR(same bike basically). That bike will stop on a dime and corners like no other. I have an xb9 with the same brakes. Never had any issues like that at all.
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Does the fuel fill the length of the frame ? Wouldn't that effect handling more since the liquid would be sloshing from beneath the seat to the steering stem and back
The brake part surprises me. Granted my buell is a 2003 but unless if they’ve dipped in quality something might be off with the brakes. Breaking has been a strength for mine, but id do some googling or forum searches because that just seems off to me.
You’re deluding yourself if you think the brakes were fading at a fast street pace like you were riding… Okay, you don’t like the feel but you were nowhere near that bike’s potential….. I’m an RS owner, trust me, the brakes weren’t fading. It’s you getting arm pump or whatever. If fade were an issue you’d have had it all day and not just the corners you blew and needed an excuse for.
I agree with some of the gentleman who suggested a chain in brake fluid would give you more feel and confidence. But, that BUELL is just good ol' American muscle. It should be scary. But the object is for YOU to make it better. Go turn some wrenches YN!
If your brake lever is going all the way down, it's definitely got a bubble in the lines. Would be interested to see what a bleeding looked like on this particular bike.
I can still out run most everything on the track .. sound like you didnt have it set up right and i have never faded the brakes but i dont run stock pads so
Buell let him run it back. Somethings up the pads or maybe master cylinder failure idk but what you experienced is not normal. Worst I’ve done is warp disc and I was being much more abusive/aggressive on the brakes. Never experienced fade even warping the disc never had fade.
Sounds like Roland Sands needs to shake this down for a bit. I believe he's part of the team over there,I'm sure they'll get the quirks out. Maybe the brakes need a blead.
It feels like this is a great example of, (especially if it's a brand brand new model) Make sure before you give it to a large youtuber to review, make sure a full service and check including all fluids brake pads, and bleed, has been done first.
I owned a 2008 1125R and dear God was that bike a PITA...... I paid around 10k new and 3 months later, Harley liquidated then for 5k brand new. Talk about being upside down..... Stock it was a turd. Couldn't get it to idle, it would just kill over sometimes. Then a couple of years later EBR released the race ECU and that changed the tuning issues to perfect. However, it had the same brakes this one had and they were scary... The rear brake was a joke all together and shouldn't even be there. The engine provided a lot of the braking. It was a super fun bike torque wise, but man did it feel cheap. The handlebars and stuff were just like toys.
If I remember correctly, they raced these in MotoAmerica and the teams had to remove that rotor and use a conventional rotor, because it didn’t work at all.
'Don't think that's accurate, my friend.. There's a RUclips vid titled 'EBR1190RS vs GSXR 1000' when Buell raced with HERO sponsorship. Look close at this race; stock perimeter brake on their race bike at Homestead. Yammie Noob will soon learn it was a simple bleeding/pad issue or something. Cheers
Something is wrong with the brakes - I have an 1190 and compared with the Brembo M50 setup on an S1kRR it's neck-and-neck. Something mechanical must be going on...
Brakes are great!!!! Yammienoob..... ARGH!!! In your previous video of the Hammerhead 'I GOT A BUELL! Hammerhead 1190 First Ride and Review' at video time count 5:21, you downplayed the appearance of the brake caliper cooling ducts on the front right of the axel. They are there for a reason, must be kept clean inside, and checked prior to racing. If the air scoops are not maintained properly THE PADS WILL FAIL.... SOOoooo read the FLICKING manual that you said you skipped over. Also, never go out for hot laps with unknown disposition brake fluid or pads. I am sure you check the fuel you put in to make the bike go, so you should also refuel (new fluid) the reservoir and lines that make it stop. You know better. Those of us out here with race licenses, leathers, knee pucks with Buell 1125R and 1190R bikes, are wondering why you cut the corners on track best practices basics. You are a good rider and great commentator and video expert. Thanks for listening.
@@majinbroly7886 Thank you, that explains a lot. Brake fade? Twenty years ago, the XB9 came out with that giant disc and I thought that was super clever: shift brake stress away from the spokes onto the rim itself, it enables a lighter wheel and it left all the journalists impressed. I don't remember any mention of a brake fade problem.
I hope someone from Buell can talk to you and help you redo this video. This video really does this bike a disservice and a disservice to anyone who is watching the video. I won't come up with excuses for Buell, but this bike has likely been used a lot by different vloggers on track. A simple brake fluid change could be the answer. Your discrepancy with the brakes does not line up with anyone else's view of the brakes in a track setting. I would and I'm sure the other viewers would love another video of the bike knocking out some fast laps.
Im a bit curious, you say its fine as an everyday streetride but on the streets you have way more uncontrollable things happening then on a track. Cagers, other bikes, trucks, pedestrians and even bicycles for which you need a good breakingsystem. So my question is, if the breaking isnt on pair for the track, is it really that suitable for an everyday ride on the streets? A squid is gonna squid, and take gixxerbrah for ex, with the speed he is going on most bikes, wouldnt he be in more danger on the streets then on a track with this bike? (And people like him)
i ride these bikes. u have to change the fluid to a motul race. higher boiling point. these brake systems produce alot of heat and absorbs it throughout the rotor.
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I don’t like the fuel in frame design, seems to me it would cause excessive weight shift during braking, turning, etc. from the fuel surging forward and side to side, which could change the CG(center of gravity), say you have 3 gallons that suddenly surges ANY direction, at 6 pounds per gallon, that’s 18 pounds of weight shifting! On a relatively light vehicle, 650 pounds wet, including the rider, that’s a HUGE, and largely unexpected variable. Again, my opinion/observation, but I’m also not a rocket surgeon either.
Nice review mate👍was awesome hearing you catching your buell bug😂👌 that's the thing with buell, not the fastest, not the smoothest, not the most elegant, mine twitches all over the place! but I wouldn't trade my buell for anything! A bike you have to really ride, no abs, no traction control, just a donk of an engine with as you say less than average front brakes! Love it!! I know you can get them but seems a shame they didnt release a twin rotor setup to modernize and hopfully balance out the front braking system. As you say can be a bit scary at times but that forced learning curve is what keeps me in love with it😂😂😂! Enjoying your vids man, you've just gained another sub👍
A little tip for the front brakes, lock the lever in the depressed position overnight with a zip tie and I promise that squishing lever will be as solid as a rock on track day after you release it
@@bodied93toy66 I have five Buells including a 2008 1125R. The ONLY reason the brakes faded is that the rider rode a bike that he did not FIRST sort out the brake fluid and pads before riding the track. He knows better, and wasted a whole track day experience for want of "check it before you ride it". He then has the temerity to belittle the Buell rather than man up to it being solely his fault, not Buell.
Next item is fuel in the frame complaint from a non-owner. The fuel is in the frame because it DOES work better and does NOT wildly flutter fuel to and fro. Of all the ill conceived comments on this video, your must be the most ill thought out mushy and pretentious spam to date.
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@@bodied93toy66but doesn't the fuel also shift in a regular gas tank? That is mounted higher so would have a larger impact. Think about it. Also they are not the first, honda did it with the nsr500 back in the day and that bike was dominant. Also watch videos of the hammerhead racing. Its crazy fast side to side
@yammienoob. I've been tracking Buells for the greater part of a decade, and I can tell you with 100% certainty what you felt on this isn't normal on Buell standards. brake fade does happen, but not within 3 laps like this. 10-15laps on a really hot day maybe. I suspect that system isn't bled properly.
Gary knows Buells very well
Has anyone bought a second disc and caliper for the front under race conditions?
@@thetemplar8695 - It would be better to have a spare wheel/rotor than swap rotors 'under race conditions', but a spare rotor was a good call as some would warp from time to time....
I club raced the 1125R and noted that on hot days you really had to keep an eye on front tire pressure, cuz some rotor heat transfers directly to the rim and can raise pressure quite a bit - but maybe that was just me....brake fade after just a couple of laps is something I did not see tho.
@@stirzjuststirz5077 yeah I still have a entire backup wheel for racing. I've never needed it though.
Buell has tried twin disc brembos, twin perimiter discs, and the single always performed the best on the track. There's something wrong with either the fluid boiling over or the pad material, not the design itself.
Who cares when you're face down in the gravel.
@@ApexMotow so you wouldn't want to know why you're face down in the gravel? So yeah I think you should care.
So all the Moto GP manufacturer got it wrong, they all do dual disk in the front 🤷♂️
Buell engineered and patented, not like they could just snatch the design and use them ...
theres things called patents, and rulebook. its not that u race a gp bike with whatever system you like. @@tarzan878
Pant-shittingly terrifying? Sounds like a proper American performance vehicle.
The quintessential muscle car superbike. I've got to have one!
U think usslea ughly and unpractical- just like all amercan motorcycles
When you're jealous, you're not an American 👆🤣🤣
@@ogbean82man can’t even write a sentence lmao. Dude probably can’t even afford a gn125 kek.
@@pinacokolada6787that's the words of somebody that never rode a Buell
Hope you look and see what type and condition pads are with a tester demo. Also some suspension setting stuff, if some quirks can be diled out. Just want the best light for it. Love what Buell does and want them to excell. They would be in a different place if Harley wasnt so stupid. They need to be strong and show they can fight through some lows. They have had their fair share in a short time. Lots of people are there for this great company i think we will be rewarded when Buell is properly on its feet again
They've spent years trying conventional twin disc's, dual perimeter brake, but the single always performed. There's something for sure wrong with the fluid boiling over or the pads been street pads. Easy/cheap 15min fix though.
Yeah man, I'm right with you. Hurts hearing about it in a almost bad light. They should have given him the super cruiser 😅
This is probably their last big go and they put a lot together without the millions of dollars in r & d like the big 4 its surely getting compared too. Last American sport bike company that's trying..
@jordanlabre in the next few years I'm pretty optimistic, but I think the Super Cruiser will undoubtedly be class leading no matter what. 💯 buying one. The biggest concern I have though is if they want to get into GP it'll never happen due to the crazy aero engineering, and all the little cheats they use.
@@backroadbeetle4781 I agree with that! It's a sick bike and super light. In very curious about it. I have a gen 2 vmax and the biggest downside is it's weight and there isn't much to do about it either.
Almost the same power but hundreds less lbs!
Maybe the folks at Buell will see these videos and relay the information to their r&d department.
Still looked like a fun ride
A major "magazine" tested essentially the same bike vs an 1198 Panigale (9 years ago) at a racetrack and the EBR (Buell) did not suffer the brake fade issues your bike did. I strongly suspect that your particular bike had an issue having nothing to do with the brake's basic design. You do your viewers a disservice in summarily criticizing the design as the cause of it's poor performance. Have the front brake reviewed by a tech that is familiar with this design to ferret out what's wrong and take the bike back to the track. Seems only fair.
You keep stating it’s cable throttle, you’ll find it has cables going to a throttle position sensor and it’s fly by. They do this because it gives a more natural feel and progression to the throttle. If it’s got bi directional quick shift it can’t be cable operated as the ecu has to blip it
Install a set of SBS 856ds or Vesrah race pads, will be a night and day difference in brake performance. Bleeding the brakes with good fresh fluid is required for sustained track use. Something is not setup properly, been racing and doing track days for nine years on my 2014 EBR 1190rx. bike is rock solid and stable, and totally predictable when setup properly. Never experienced any of the issues you are experiencing with mine. Better tires would be beneficial. Rear shock upgrade works wonders too.
Glad to hear it's likely a relatively minor issue, not a serious design flaw. Been looking forward to seeing how the new Buell performed. Sounds like an awesome and torquey street bike. YN was clearly impressed on the street driving. I suspect you're spot on and it just needs quality pads and flush/bleeding. Great but brutally honest review.
The original EBR 1190 had cooling ducts around the breaking system to help keep the calipers cool.
You can't make the same bike for 10 years without any further development, but I hope that they do keep on developing, and send them to europe in the future.
Buell cant compete with prices in Europe
People trying to talk down about this bike. Saying it's old technology blah blah blah. Lacking ABS is a bummer. This bike is not made to be a full on track weapon like a Ducati V4S. It's made to be a bad ass street machine and whoop all your friends asses when you out for a casual ride. It looks bad ass. Hopefully it's rock solid reliable.
I would have liked to see Brandon Altmeyer ride this bike. He could have done the track test better justice, he definitely knows how to put the bikes through there paces and honestly is a better rider.
Good that you continue to point out it is a new bike that is old school but I'm thinking your honest review was not what Buell wanted to have live on forever on the internet.
I'd love to see Yam get an RC-51 to review & track day.
I would love to see him on track with an RC-30.
I'd like to see him try a 2000 MV Agusta F4 750....
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They should be close, performance wise. I own a 1125r and I rode a RC51. My bike has about 130 hp at the wheel and if I remember the Honda with mods was around same. The stock gearing was a bit to high and a lot of people changed the gearing to make it better.
I still miss my 2000 RSV Mille, back when no one had even heard of an April-Who? The days, when the lack of traction control meant v-twins ruled the corners, even more so than they do today.
Had a couple buells, i remember having to be very careful with the front brake with the 2007 xb12ss as it was extremely strong and quite dangerous
my 1125r feels the same. when they bite they BITE. but never hade a fade issue, had worse fade on gaxr's and r6's.
I currently have an xb9 and I have the same effect the front brake is crazy
I’ve owned 3 1125r and 2014 1190rx and xb12r never had break issues this guys crying over seem he’s having problems with it
Had a false neutral from fifth down to fourth while in Arkansas on a group ride on a 2023 KTM super adventure S 1290.. luckily I stopped before going off the road, first thing I went and started watching was twist of the wrist 2 lol (recommended by a buddy of mine) long story short really kick that shifter down. Idk if newer bikes are just flawed or what but yeah I’ve had this problem too. Yammi I respect you and mean nothing twords you with This comment. You sir know more then a lot of if not a majority of people riding in the road. Just wanted to say that everything explained in this video is known from pure experience. Keep doing what your doing! Learn more and more and relate to a lot your saying with your other content as well. ✌🏼
There is something wrong with the brakes. Might need a flush and bleed with new pads. Ive never rode an 1190 but i track my 1125R and have Incredible brakes with no fade. From my understanding its the same brake systems
Thanks for being honest, Yam. 99% of the people who buy this will never reach the limits you reached in this video. Old school tells the story. Technology has moved on and the Buell needs to embrace the best parts of it.
He is nowhere near the limit of this bike, at no point is he wide open throttle and no bike on the earth will have brake fade this quickly.
Lmao!!! Yeah. So basically not having the unbelieavably relyable safety net of modern ABS, is a bit concerning to a modern sport rider. You guys are spoiled, and riding a 2023 GSXR, I can totally see why... the stupid thing blurps the throttle every time I shift for me. WFT?
@@lfinsterlHonestly he can’t ride that bike to the limit. That bike a very skilled, bike feeling type of rider and a very strong one too. The bike is an absolute animal. He would have been doing nothing but wheelies had he really been in it!!
My old 1125R never had brake fade issues. It had the ZTL2 with the 8-piston caliper… Essentially the same system. Something must be wrong with the bike.
That went from excited to terrified fast!
I've read quite a few buell reviews and never have i ever heard anything complain about the brakes. Obviously something is wrong with that bike. Send it back let then figure out whats wrong and then give it a fair shakedown
Those brakes will work great if you change out the pads. I've owned 2 Buells in the past and for some reason the pads on them suck. Change pads and bleed them and you'll be amazed of the difference
On track you have to go with the full metal brake pads, wears the rotors out super quick but no fade under heavy load.
Wonder if they changed the pad material, the EBR's didn't have front brake issues unless it was really hot out. I know the guys that track these swap the master for a brembo rcs19 and use either versa XX or SBS DS pads.
He says he doesn’t feel fast on that thing…problem is he’s not fast on anything!
Put a real rider with balls and no excuses and see what happens!
As far as I know, Suzuki motorcycles are known to have this fading effect on braking and people usually solve this by replacing the original braking hoses with braided ones (aeroquip).
Considering that the fading came right at the beginning, it may be an issue with this specific unit (bleeding, hoses, fluid, and so on) but it would be good to know how this issue was sorted out.
I'd bet that either the pads are shot or the fluid needs changed. That perimeter brake WORKS.
Definitely
Bummer you have an issue with those brakes! Obviously press bikes get flogged like a rental:) Did you check the pads/chain/tire pressure before getting on track? If they're ok, you should take everyone through the "New Buell" warranty procedure, I'm very curious about that!
Had a s2 t thunderbolt since 97 never had a problem with the brakes on that p&m 6pot .good for 145 with that old sporty engine.still this one doesn’t look that far from it.hi from New Zealand 🇳🇿
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i tracked the 1125r and had to flush my brakes at the end of every day, would make sure i had fresh fluid before any race, the brake fade is a severe problem and never really found a fix for it other than maybe a conversion to a bigger caliper, one bonus was i never warped a front rotor on my buell, but changed rotors on my daytona pretty regularly it seemed
I would love to own one of these
They will get there, be patient.
This bike has been in development for a decade lol
Thanks for sharing. I've aways wanted a Buell because they've always been different. However, for a modern machine at this price point I would expect a fly by wire throttle with a blipper.
ECR looks like such a nice track to run regularly, I wish it was a little closer to Austin to justify the membership!
The outro never fails to impress
I have the 2014 ebr 1190 rx,( track only) the most exciting thing I do with my clothes on❤
Best thing Buell ever did! Dump crappy HD motors!😊
Do you have any confidence in the brakes?
I agree with the comments below. The extreme break fade doesn't make sense. The perimeter disk has more mass than a conventional disk and should heat up slower for the same energy input. I suspect you had air in the lines. Did you contact Buell? What did they say?
A proper brake flush/bleed and some stainless lines may help the brakes immensely.
brake flush for sure. Buells sell with full stainless lines as stock.
🎉🎉 Definitely a Thumper 🎉🎉
In theory the brake design has massive power. Something seems off with the execution on this one. Pads, fluid? The huge rotor size has both power and cooling benefits over the usual sizes. Only oddity is the 8 pots - maybe too many and the force/pressure is too spread out or too much fluid exposed to a heatet surface. Four pot might have been better choice, with more common pad size so race pads can be installed for track days.
It's essentially the same setup that dates back to the Buell(pre-EBR) 1125R, and they have never had a reputation for fading like this - gotta be something setup/maintenance related
@@RyTrapp0 1125CR here, brakes work just fine, never fade, insanely powerful.
I had an 1125R, this sounds just like🫶🏻
My 08 XB12R also has the odd frame/brake shaking your described. After looking into it, a lot of people said it was normal on these bikes.
It's not normal. Don't forget you got an old bike and there are a number of things that could be wrong with it.
@@IshamPadron but that 1190 is brand new and doing the same thing. Maybe it's they big single rotor?
Lil Yam do you like the brakes?
I was 100% in on buying one. After this, I definitely don't want anything to do with a bike that has shitty brakes, especially on a track. I'll give em 6 more years to figure things out.
I’ve got a 2006 XB12r myself and found the same issue with the brakes; changing the engagement setting on the lever made the world of difference tho from 1-5 I keep it on 3 and get more aggressive braking overall (to be expected) where as before it was very underwhelming tbh
Think you'll review the Buell super cruiser?
Sounds like a mechanical. I'm friends with one of the guys that did the promo video for that bike. His personal bike is an EBR(same bike basically). That bike will stop on a dime and corners like no other. I have an xb9 with the same brakes. Never had any issues like that at all.
Hey Buell lovers!
Don't forget that Buell has quite a fan base in Europe, making the brand live here. If someone from the Buell department is reading this, please consider selling your amazing bikes here, that would be great!
Thank you for the video, have a nice day and enjoy the good American vibes of your Buell ✌️
they are going to real soon actually!
@@backroadbeetle4781 I can't wait!
@DeBarbellian gunna be maximum badassery riding one in Europe haha, it's like driving a ZR1 Corvette there 🤣
Does the fuel fill the length of the frame ? Wouldn't that effect handling more since the liquid would be sloshing from beneath the seat to the steering stem and back
2 Buells in my garage. 0 brake issues... ever
Why is impossible to find video reviews about Buell baja Dr? 🤔🤔
Once I get the slipper clutch installed I'll let you do some laps on my bike. Let me know if you're ever on the East Coast. I ride at NJMP
The brake part surprises me. Granted my buell is a 2003 but unless if they’ve dipped in quality something might be off with the brakes. Breaking has been a strength for mine, but id do some googling or forum searches because that just seems off to me.
Braking* 😅
At last a US bike maker that actually knows what bikes are supposed to be.😊
What kind of suspension setup did you do? What kind of brake package do you recommend upgrading to?
You’re deluding yourself if you think the brakes were fading at a fast street pace like you were riding… Okay, you don’t like the feel but you were nowhere near that bike’s potential….. I’m an RS owner, trust me, the brakes weren’t fading. It’s you getting arm pump or whatever. If fade were an issue you’d have had it all day and not just the corners you blew and needed an excuse for.
I agree with some of the gentleman who suggested a chain in brake fluid would give you more feel and confidence. But, that BUELL is just good ol' American muscle. It should be scary. But the object is for YOU to make it better. Go turn some wrenches YN!
When is the last time you had a similar weight/speed bike on track?
Would love to try that out on track. Dunno if I'd wanna own one tho.
I almost bought one EBR 1190R with 1600 miles on it for 7k I should have bought it.
@majinbroly7886 that's why i hesitated to buy it no parts support
If your brake lever is going all the way down, it's definitely got a bubble in the lines. Would be interested to see what a bleeding looked like on this particular bike.
When ebr was racing these 1190's they actually used dual disc set ups. I think they were off a gsxr.
I can still out run most everything on the track .. sound like you didnt have it set up right and i have never faded the brakes but i dont run stock pads so
My breaks work fine 😅 but I haven't taken her to the track yet. Spent 2023 just breaking her in.
Awesome video yammie.
Can you please review the benelli bn 125cc, thinking of getting it as my first ever. Thanks ❤️
How was the clutch lever pull
Thanks Yammie you saved me making the mistake of buying one of these. S1000 rr for me.
Lmao
Color scheme is wicked, like rc 30
What Track is this you go to?
How are the brakes?
Anyone know what that whining/whirring sound coming from the bike when he lets off the throttle is? I love it
Drive chain tensioner (removes the slack / chain slap on deceleration)
i wish someone compare this Buell against Avinton Track Racer T
I had an ebr 1190 and i warped my disc on track.
Buell let him run it back. Somethings up the pads or maybe master cylinder failure idk but what you experienced is not normal. Worst I’ve done is warp disc and I was being much more abusive/aggressive on the brakes. Never experienced fade even warping the disc never had fade.
i live about 30 miles from that track and never seen actually seen it other than driving by the front gates on the way to the casino.
Brakes... change hoses?
Change the bike...problem solved
Sounds like Roland Sands needs to shake this down for a bit. I believe he's part of the team over there,I'm sure they'll get the quirks out. Maybe the brakes need a blead.
It feels like this is a great example of, (especially if it's a brand brand new model) Make sure before you give it to a large youtuber to review, make sure a full service and check including all fluids brake pads, and bleed, has been done first.
I owned a 2008 1125R and dear God was that bike a PITA...... I paid around 10k new and 3 months later, Harley liquidated then for 5k brand new. Talk about being upside down..... Stock it was a turd. Couldn't get it to idle, it would just kill over sometimes. Then a couple of years later EBR released the race ECU and that changed the tuning issues to perfect. However, it had the same brakes this one had and they were scary... The rear brake was a joke all together and shouldn't even be there.
The engine provided a lot of the braking. It was a super fun bike torque wise, but man did it feel cheap. The handlebars and stuff were just like toys.
Hey yammy again if you see this i plead to you to try a sv1000s they are absolutely incredible
S l o w
what track is this?
What is ttthat speed dependent whine? It’s not the motor, is it gearing, wheel hubs, brake pads, tires?
The whine is from an idler sprocket, totally normal.
@@Motomack1042 thanks.
Sounds like the brake fluid is dodge, had the same issue with my xb, flushed the system and it was a world of difference
If I remember correctly, they raced these in MotoAmerica and the teams had to remove that rotor and use a conventional rotor, because it didn’t work at all.
'Don't think that's accurate, my friend.. There's a RUclips vid titled 'EBR1190RS vs GSXR 1000' when Buell raced with HERO sponsorship. Look close at this race; stock perimeter brake on their race bike at Homestead. Yammie Noob will soon learn it was a simple bleeding/pad issue or something. Cheers
@@moto9492Have to agree with you mate. Surprised the sweet potato didnt figure the possibility of a mechanical issue.
I didnt think open mirrors were allowed on any track
He’s a member at the track and it’s not a track day per say, it’s a random day during the week
okay now we want a rematch. Since you both had a recent no brakes on track, you and gigzerbrehz, no brakes allowed.
Yeah, I know you wanted to love it.😮 what’s a good bike that has great brakes that’s a pretty reasonable price tag? yammie Noob thank you bro
Something is wrong with the brakes - I have an 1190 and compared with the Brembo M50 setup on an S1kRR it's neck-and-neck. Something mechanical must be going on...
I wouldn’t blame the brakes too much on the actual system, but probably just needs the appropriate pads.
Is there anyone that can mod this bike to take 2 brake disc and caliper?
A little adjustment , steering damper , proper suspension set up would make it better
😂😂😂😂
As soon as those shower head injectors come online, all hell breaks loose😍
Nothing happens. Its fast if your prev bike was a harley. 15 year old German/Japanese/Italian bikes are faster than this steam engine 😂
@hexagonosaurus5848 are you speaking from experience?
Brakes are great!!!! Yammienoob..... ARGH!!! In your previous video of the Hammerhead 'I GOT A BUELL! Hammerhead 1190 First Ride and Review' at video time count 5:21, you downplayed the appearance of the brake caliper cooling ducts on the front right of the axel. They are there for a reason, must be kept clean inside, and checked prior to racing. If the air scoops are not maintained properly THE PADS WILL FAIL.... SOOoooo read the FLICKING manual that you said you skipped over. Also, never go out for hot laps with unknown disposition brake fluid or pads. I am sure you check the fuel you put in to make the bike go, so you should also refuel (new fluid) the reservoir and lines that make it stop. You know better. Those of us out here with race licenses, leathers, knee pucks with Buell 1125R and 1190R bikes, are wondering why you cut the corners on track best practices basics. You are a good rider and great commentator and video expert. Thanks for listening.
I had no idea Buell still exists. Edit: Ah: they don't, not in Europe.
@@majinbroly7886 Thank you, that explains a lot. Brake fade? Twenty years ago, the XB9 came out with that giant disc and I thought that was super clever: shift brake stress away from the spokes onto the rim itself, it enables a lighter wheel and it left all the journalists impressed. I don't remember any mention of a brake fade problem.
I have rhe 2014 RX1190 Front brakes are terrible the dash screen stop working.. needs few improvements...
I hope someone from Buell can talk to you and help you redo this video. This video really does this bike a disservice and a disservice to anyone who is watching the video. I won't come up with excuses for Buell, but this bike has likely been used a lot by different vloggers on track. A simple brake fluid change could be the answer. Your discrepancy with the brakes does not line up with anyone else's view of the brakes in a track setting. I would and I'm sure the other viewers would love another video of the bike knocking out some fast laps.
Im a bit curious, you say its fine as an everyday streetride but on the streets you have way more uncontrollable things happening then on a track. Cagers, other bikes, trucks, pedestrians and even bicycles for which you need a good breakingsystem. So my question is, if the breaking isnt on pair for the track, is it really that suitable for an everyday ride on the streets? A squid is gonna squid, and take gixxerbrah for ex, with the speed he is going on most bikes, wouldnt he be in more danger on the streets then on a track with this bike? (And people like him)
If the main issue is brake fade, it shouldn't be so bad on the street.
i ride these bikes. u have to change the fluid to a motul race. higher boiling point. these brake systems produce alot of heat and absorbs it throughout the rotor.