The Secret Science of Perfect Spacing
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- Опубликовано: 20 май 2024
- This week, we dive headfirst into something I think about way too much: spacing. Spacing is what gives UI's that "oddly satisfying" feel when done right, and that "something's off" feeling when it's done poorly. How do you design spacing correctly? Should you use a framework? Let's find out!
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FINALLY SOMEONE THAT DOESN'T THINK I'M CRAZY WHEN I TALK ABOUT THIS STUFF
yeah that's because you're watching a graphic designer who thinks about this frequently
but even after watching the video I still have so many questions and uncertainty about margins 😭😭
@@stepanyaresko What sort of questions have you got? I think it was perfectly explained, as a general rule of thumb you don't aim for mathematical symmetry for margin spacing but optical ones.
that said "optical" view can change drastically depending on the composition of the content, I suggest looking through great UI designs like those made by Google team "Material Design" or Apple's design resource etc to train your eyes
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kde devs needs to watch this
They can't get theming right just yet. They probably need to hire a straight graphic designer versus programmers doing UX. Well, I got custom colors though. I'm easy.
true 🤣😭
Well i am on Gnome and i too have to hammer it in shape with addons 😀
Every linux UI not even using proper grids, they just slap text into window and hope for the best.. probable those people do not have time to watch such tutorials and get better skills.
I laughed so hard at this comment, because it's absolutely true
I'm impressed. The Spacing Guild is a lot more friendly and approachable than I expected.
top tier comment 👏🏻
Let the Sp(a)ice flow...
@@artxiom"Let the spaice flow"
can you just imagine a bunch of designerbros in airpod maxes and snapbacks going "yeah bro ill take you right to awwwards"
floating in tanks of vape clouds
A video nobody asked for, but everyone is grateful for👏
This may be the most clear and consistent video tutorials for graphic design I have seen. Please create a video about using text sizing and colour value in hierarchy. Thank you for putting out great content! 😀
Stay tuned, it's on the way!
I am actually surprised at how much I learned from this random video on my home page.
even considering this is kind of an ad, i didnt even mind that lol
Genuinely appreciate that, my next one will be less in your face about that haha
I'd keep it up
You're running a business, not being a RUclipsr ;)
These are all things I have been doing for years, intuitively.
My secret? A certain kind of spatio-visual OCD. NOT self-diagnosed.
But to see you so thoroughly break down what I'm doing without thinking...man...I can't believe how brilliant your mind is. It's one thing to just quickly get your work done and doing it well. But it is a whole other thing to be able to explain the deep logic, WITH visuals and animation, behind those decisions.
Brilliant? Nah. Vyvanse and free time. But you're very kind!
I’m the same (not on the OCD I don’t think but with doing this intuitively) except I’m a dev so I often get frustrated when design give me Figma designs that don’t follow the same rules every time
ONLY FIFTH VIDEO IN THE CHANNELL!!??
The quality felt like you’ve produced at least hundred of them!
That's called Design.
i was surprised by the level of excellence and quality. definitely underrated
"surprisingly good" that should be my new slogan! Haha
"Body text go brrrrr" got me good. Fantastic watch, btw.
Thank you very much!
haha i appreciated that too, then lorem ipsum
bodytext go
Studying Coded Design. Always struggled to understand why things worked. This was such a great simple explanation and makes so much sense to me. No more eyeballing. 🙌🏻
Glad it helped!
As a self-taught graphic and web designer, I got annoyed pretty early on with how fonts have a random bounding box, sometimes _WAY_ bigger than the largest letters (they seem to be spaced based on the largest symbol present in the font). So I got in the habit of adding fixed padding to left/right/bottom and then eyeball the top padding. Really annoying that there's not most consistency in this.
If your text elements line height is set to 1.272 unitless and the font size is derived from golden ratio coefficients measured in rem (e.g. 1.618rem, 1.272rem, 1.128rem, 1.06rem, or 0.618, 0.272, and so on) then you can always get guaranteed perfect top padding by simply making it 1em/1.272.
Bounding boxes exist for a reason. Assuming all letters going into an input tag will always be ascii exclusive is pretty narrow minded. Imagine the world wide chaos that would ensue if browsers decided to pander to that kinda mindset. Hardest clap back of a lifetime.
The amount of developers running this kind of 'Works on my machine' mentality is disgusting.
@@tiruialontouch grass bro
@@livinagoodlife Craftsmanship has died, and arguably never existed in programming. This is why. Not caring.
@@tiruialon craftsmanship has never existed in programming? Man you’re something else.
This video came up, I had a spare 10 minutes and loved it by the 3rd minute, can’t wait to see more and more of these and going into depth around certain areas.
I have a refactoring UI book, and it’s really good, but the way yours animates and really dives in, shows a different perspective, the live demo was amazing too.
you deserve a lot of subs. such a comprehensive video. thank you!
As someone trying to get a better feel for design I really appreciate this, and the visualization and animations for the different spacing were beautifully executed. Beautiful video!
This was such a great video! Thanks guys and thank you Duff for being the first bassists playing I really fell in love with!
idk if the channel is gone stay too small forever if you keep putting out bangers like this one
Love the story and the smooth animation! Thanks!
I very nearly avoided this video just because of the unnecessary 2nd part of your title (“I Promise This Is Interesting”). Just some feedback! Otherwise very interesting video ;)
So he changed the title?
yes it implies that the video is actually not interesting and we would need some convincing to watch it
im a highschool student who's been considering taking up ui design when im older. all of the things he said in the video clicked with me and i absolutely love the subject matter at hand here. im excited to learn more stuff if i do eventually decide on making this my final career path!
I don't know why I was recommended this, but I'm glad I did. This was super interesting and clear. I am currently designing a very small mockup of a box with a title, an image, etc. to present a digital product, and this comes in very handy. Thanks for sharing!
Summary:
1) The more related the elements the closer they should be.
2) All spacing values used should be from a small set of exponentially increasing values.
3) For an even-looking spacing put the top left corner of an element on a 45 deg line meeting the top left corner of its container.
Garret you absolutely smashed it with this video. I can't wait to learn LiftKit!
senpai noticed me 👉👈
Interesting. FINALLY someone here explains what I've been struggling with for a long time . Thanks alot
I don’t do anything on the web yet, but this video was pretty useful for my work with printed text documents. Got too sucked into the leading and the sequences, and was wondering why it felt off.
Your insights on the semantic relationships was super helpful. Thank you.
best video I've watched about spacing and thats surprising how much people don't talk about it
To be honest im genuinely shocked this video is gaining traction I thought there was literally zero interest in this kinda thing haha
Excellent quality and depth of research. Instant sub.
I had to watch some complementary videos first like about EM, REM, and why use them instead of pixels, what is the golden ratio, etc to understand this video. But it was worth it, simplified so much and gave me a permanent guideline to work with. Thanks.
Great video. But I preferred the left box. The heading is too close to the top on the right one when you do the comparison.
I’m glad it’s not just me - albeit the video is excellently made - the first example I really disliked it. The narrator said “the right one feels better spaced”, to me the exact opposite. The right one felt really scrunched up awkwardly to the top left … to the extent I’d have commented how badly layed out it was to others. It shows how matters of taste are personal.
I work often as book/article formatter, and this video just hits the spot....
As a frontend developer trying to learn a bit about web design to make sites that sucks less I appreciate your video, Thanks!
I always have problems with the line height and the spacing from the border to the text first pixels.
Awesome content, and I'm just 3 minutes in. Keep it up with the good work. Thank you very much!
I'm a developer and I just use the values provided by our designers without much thought, but this video puts into perspective how much thinking has to be done on the design side as well, great stuff
Sometimes, even if you do follow the values from the designers, it might not match the comp because they may not be accounting for things like box height, and line height, and that sort of thing. You might be back to eyeballing it again. 😬
Underrated channel, just thinking of improving my design lately and this video got recommended to me, nice.
simple. elegant. memorable. brilliant. thank you
I don´t know why this video appear on my feed, but I´m so greatful for it. Spacing is the hardest thing to do when it comes to do any in design related. I´m just talking as an amateur gal who has to do ton of presentations and infographs. Very helpful!!!
The editing is so satisfying, great video !!!
Best sales pitch ever! Fantastic video
Thank you!
One of the best videos on web design I have watched
Awesome vid. I didn't realize I was watching a video for webflow, and this cemented some of the learnings I've made over the years.
Cloneable looks great, will try it.
Nice explanation, thanks. I'd never realised how useful treating the bottom margin as the spacer is. I considerably improved the appearance of some basic text markup with some css rules applying the ideas I learned here very quickly. I think I'll delve a little deeper too as the gains will be worth the effort.
Woohoo! This is so nice to hear, I'm so glad it's helpful!
Wow, what an awesome video! Well done! Must have been a lot of work to animate all that so nicely.
Please please please make a full, straight to the point, no fluff course on all this. This is incredibly interesting. As a software engineer, I would love to have this knowledge for when working on my side projects and side hustles. Thanks.
This is absolute amazing explanation.
I would appreciate a longer version of thisb
I finished recording it today, I'm so tired 😩
That's unbelievable well explained.
Thank you so much!
Great video! Will be in touch in the coming months 👍
What a great video. Hope to see more like this. Subscribed!
Can't believe you have a few subscribers. This video has a great vibe! I knew spacing was essential, but I've only bothered with typescale. I will now bother with spacing as well for aesthetics✨😂.
I think the space between heading and sub-heading needs to be greater than the space between sub-heading and paragraph simply because sub-heading and paragrath have a stronger relationship than heading and sub-heading - other than that, brilliant vid!
Context-dependent, as always!
Love this!! It's so intuitive and informative. I want to learn more!
Great video!
The main problem is actually the line-height of textual elements together with dynamic content.
Imagine I'm creating a simple reusable sections with a heading, subheading and text.
The user can type whatever they want. Even capitalize everything.
That will make it impossible to set a fixed margin or padding. You probably end up with an extra settings, which you don't want, because the user often doesn't understand this type of spacing principle...
excellent video on spacing , really good material and explanations
Loved your video, got the best explanation and examples! You earned a sub
Wow the production quality for the size of your channel is insane.
It's why I only post every 3 months haha
The quality of this video is just ✨
As an engineer who often does frontend this is gold
Great video! Which software are you using for the slides?
this video and explanation are golden! thanky you :)
I learnt so much from this! Great video
such a good quality video!!! keep it up
Awesome video, I've been going through the motions of learning a design system and each category (Color, spacing, typography, etc). feels like a rabbit hole that has no end lol. Your explanations were clear and the animations helped further my understanding a lot, thank you!
Embrace the rabbit hole! There is a bottom, I promise.
Wow, great video, I thought you would have had way more subs. You definitely deserve more.
It would be great if you could condense all this information into a single page cheat sheet to cross reference while designing!
Thanks for the video :)
It's on the way :)
Just beautiful! Just wanted to say hi! I hope and wish that you make more such great videos and get all appreciation you deserve.
Great video! Would you mind to tell what app do you use to create these videos? Thank you.
Such a high quality video! good work
My course and field has very little to do with this random video but I’m gonna implement some of the stuff I’ve learned here on our project. Thanks 😁
This seems to be your first video that's animated and explained this way, I really like it! Needs more subs
this video is brilliantly animated and informative . I learnt a lot and subbed, thank you.
also, what software did you use to make these animations.
It's a Figma prototype that I just screen recorded with OBS 😅
I liked the left one better than the right one; it felt more balanced. Is it just me being CSS-brained?
Nah it's just preference
video’s anomation and style are good affirmations, what software do you use to edit these?
I was a graphic designer and finished artist in the 70s + 80s. My colleagues and myself instinctively understood spacing relationships and appreciated typography. We marked up hard copy and with a surgeon’s knife cut and pasted galleys into precise positions.
It’s been the most frustrating time in the transition from print to digital web editing because nurds controlled development without the slightest acknowledgement of design and designers.
It’s only today seeing this video tutorial that I feel the nitty gritty aspect of design is being recognized to the point where print has been for centuries or at least since off-set printing. Now design is being thrust upon developers to code. But the system is a mess.
We’re coming up to half a century of developers’ arrogance and oppression of design and designers. It’s a travesty that designers were not partnered from the get go. I dare say that the international web code is fundamentally flawed and at odds with the visual aspirations of good and efficient screen communications: design.
Hopefully we'll come up with a system they can both understand!
this was so helpful, nice vid!
This is such a well made video! Calling it now, this will eventually go to the moon.
By the way, what are you using for the sick animations? Are you just doing to in your editing software?
Honestly it's a Figma prototype that I'm just screen recording 😅
That’s a great way of doing it! Will copy that for myself 😅 Thanks mate!
Nice animations! How did you generate the video content?
Backend devs are probably really confused right now
I really liked the friendship model of spacing increments. Instead of xs, sm, md… increments, I’ve heard them called “BFF4L” “BBF” “Friends” “acquaintance” etc. Kinda fun to think of all the elements knowing each other. Anyway, I started a new job and had to wing it on my own. So glad I found this! Might just copy and rename things with the buddy system ;)
Omg that is cute but I can only imagine how confused I'd be if Id learned English as a second language
Wow, this channel is small! I must say I'm impressed by a lot of modern apps, eben 1-man (or woman) projects often have a REALLY clean design and I in general have noticed how much an apps design contributes to me feeling like it's running well an not giving me annoying issues, even thougj they may still be there.
Love the aesthetics of the video. Just one suggestion - upload in 4k. It'd make a whole lot of difference 😉
just subscribed, keep it up please, many thanks to you
Absolutely! Thanks for your support!
Swear to God man, this is the 7th time I play this video and I fell asleep 7 times. Not a joke, I always try to watch this when I go to bed... and it helps me with sleeping. So.. thanks
This is a great video! I have zero experience in UI/UX design but I can admire a good web or app design, sometimes I just open different websites or apps and just scrol through them to see how they're designed. This kind of videos are really a great look into how much thoyght there should be behind each design decision.
I just had a look at your website out of curosity, and I have to ask: on your 'Who works here?' tab, should not there be more spacing between the first paragraph and the 'What do I do' heading? I am not trying to be fussy, I just watched your video and then saw it immediately after I visited your site :)
Thanks again for this stuff, I'll checkout some more! Thumb up!
Probably should be 😅 been swamped lately so I kinda just threw that one together
Found your channel very helpful.
Can I/we get something similar for font sizes line heights and web layouts?
This is amazing 😮
Yoo this is gold.
golden ratio actually
I love this!
Amazing video, as a UX designer I’ve rarely seen such a good explanation for spacing!
The thing I’m always confused with is the different spacing settings in Adobe Xd / Figma around text boxes. Does anyone know if the spacing around these is equal to paragraphs (css) with 0 padding?
So youtube has decided to promote this. Job Well done.
very high quality presentation
I am so confused how I got here (I am anything but a designer), but I still really liked it.
such incredible value... subbed
Would be interested in that course since I dont work with Webflow. How do I get informed when it is ready?
Damn we need more content like this
The Gods of RUclips have answered my prayers! Thank you for this video.
That body text really did go brrrr
nice video, how about horizontal margin? for example heading + paragraph with a image next to it? how does the margin relate to the margin between heading and paragraph? i usually have about double the margin
Depends on the core scale factor of your design system. I use my own system called LiftKit in which everything is derived from golden coefficients, so in your scenario, I would try different size variables until I find one I like.
In cards, padding left right and bottom equal 1em.
Please create a UI design course. Your quality of output is insane.
I’m talking about the full multi hour course that you can charge $397 that I’ll be happy to pay
And by the way, since I just discovered your channel and I’ve been watching your other videos, I’m talking about a technology agnostic UI design course, specifically Webflow agnostic. I just a dev with shitty UI tastes who needs your help
This content is incredible!
Appreciate this video so much