I think what it is is this - DCS should have exploited this issue to improve its business model - taken the issue up with their suppliers to have product improvement or sourced alternate products to make customers satisfied - instead they appear hell bent on digging their own grave.
It looks like it's more scary for dodgy companies who choose to sue RUclipsrs for no good reason - they get exposed and highlighted. The 'Barbara Streisand effect' where someone tries to censor information but causes increased awareness. I'd say DCS will be remembered for a very long time for all the wrong reasons, while Stefan and all his great supporters will become more respected.
Thanks for making this video in support of Stefan. I've watched Stefan's videos for many years and learnt a lot. He knows his stuff. First video of yours I've seen. Interesting to see the Hardkorr products. I bought a set of 4 of the little white Hardkorr U-lite's (with inbuilt lithium battery) after seeing them reviewed by a camping RUclipsr (forget who). I loved them so much I bought another 2 sets for friends. Keep up the good work.👍
Happy to support the little guy even if it puts me in the shit. Bro the U-lites are amazing hardkorrs where the originals and I believe they are still the brightest. I got to have a good two hour chat to the Hardkorr CEO on Saturday, some very cool stuff coming. hopefully I can get some of it to review 😊
Louis Rossmann did a great dig - getting the ARENA data out there for all to see... As well as the historical data.. PS. Australian consumer rights cannot be excluded by any warranty terms, no matter what the company prints or publishes.
Good on ya!!! I did prompt a few of the main youtubers out there to get onto this when Stephen 1st raised this but didn't hear anything back so great that fellow youtubers are now getting onto this.
Hey Craig, yeah I've reached out before I think they are scared of loosing what they worked hard to build. Not be I'd rather fight for the little guys 💪
You'll never get a negative review of any kind from the larger and more popular youtubers. I remember a couple of years ago meeting one of the more popular personalities at a show, and asked him his thoughts on the navigation system that he ran (and that he spruiked on his channel) and he had no hesitation in telling me that it was crap, and that the competitor product was far and away superior. I thanked him for his honesty but walked away shaking my head. The more popular ones will not bite the hand that feeds them.... and it's for that reason that the likes of Stephan should be supported and commended for their honesty and bravery.
Mate this is so true! Unfortunately once you start excepting cash for comment it gets difficult, that's why people are better off remembering why they started youtube, to give back not get rich from pushing shit.
@@Off.Track4x4 "to give back not get rich from pushing shit". Is that why you have a table in front of you blatantly full of mainly Chinese products you are pushing? And topping that, you're using a decent guy's terrible predicament to get another video out for your own gain? He doesn't need help from annoying people trying to jump on the bandwagon. I don't think he has too much concern of being sued and losing, but rather, he has a huge concern in spending a fortune in order to defend himself. So if you are really wanting to help him like you stated, be genuine, commit, and send him a $1000 towards his legal bills.
Very well said, all reviewers should get behind this or freedom of speed, honest real world reviews and personnel option will be gone. How a retailer (not just DCS) can give products for testing and review and then have a dummy spit when their not so great products are shown to be not so great is beyond me... Great that so many people are supporting Stephan.
Thanks for commenting mate and helping spread the message! It's beyond me how the company did not know this would get found out? Surly they new their batteries had issues? The whole thing is weird, but hopefully this blowing up sends a strong message that everyone wants freedom of speech to continue and will fight for it.
Thankyou that was extremely well put , I watched Stephans original videos and his following videos on this very subject , I am appalled how DCS has acted , They clearly dont care for their reputation which would be spiralling way past negative Word of Mouth is very Powerful I'm not a youtuber but a very avid watcher of a wide variety of channels , I have watched a couple o you videos previously so now i have subscribed to your channel as i feel you are a honest sincere reliable bloke , Thankyou again and keep em coming . Cheers Mate 👍
That was an awesome review/test by Will because it passed his initial testing with flying colours but failed miserably once he inside. Kinda like the company their batteries look good on the outside….
@@MrSwaggie1 that's good to hear,I don't think they can take it down,cause Will's channel test batteries,solar, etc.Has the test gear .Can't see what the problem with the video would be.
Really glad you have done this video. Andrew St Pierre White also did a video on this a few hours ago too (at the time of this comment). Saw the two Louis Rossmann videos on that and he didn't hold back. In my opinion DCS has got bad legal advice or has bad solicitors. Seems to me DCS has actually shot themselves in the foot, or cut their nose to spite their face.
Hey Phil thanks for commenting and supporting the fight. Glad others are posting, more the better. My first filming was balls to the wall nasty, but I decided to tone it down and watch what I said. I'm guessing the owner of DCS would be near bankruptcy and he might try to make his money back by taking lawsuits out on everyone 😅🤣😂
@@Off.Track4x4 I guess they think they are trying to prove a point, unfortunately for them, they have skeletons in their closet so these will come back to bite them in Stephans favour.
Hey mate, thanks for commenting. I'm with you I don't see how they survive this. Week after week youtubers are keeping it front and centre. Google is a great idea 💡
It's great when a company does its own negative advertising, the battery community is large and I've not seen the review but thanks DCS you made it easy when crossing off who not to trade with.
We’re stronger together. “Someone” also issued a “privacy” strike against a US RUclipsr that tested a similar DCS battery and then opened the battery to show the build quality. That is a great video to watch
Interesting in Will Prowse's vid yesterday he found the cells appear to be either re sleeved or b grade cells, that battery should have technically been 120 but he tested and only had 102ah, all in his vid. Interesting stuff
Good onya for supporting Stefan mate! Its pretty cool how much support he has had! None of the big boy youtubers will jump on board because they make their money from just saying the good stuff about the latest sponsors - everyone should realise by now its simply advertising and more than likely they would probably choose other products/brands on their personal vehicles . . . would be interesting to know but its all down to $$$$ which is a shame but also understandable. Just FYI - Something you mentioned about batteries and the degradation - every battery out there will degrade over time - it is generally 2-3% per year on average through "normal use: but obviously varies on battery quality and usage conditions etc. The major issue Stefan has had is that DCS warranted it to degrade more with under bonnet use but in real life experience Stefan encountered a much more dramatic degradation than what he was told to expect. Ive been following Stefan for about 6 or 7 yrs and have always placed so much faith in him because he is so transparent unlike the majority of youtubers who review products. Its bloody brilliant seeing all the support Stefan has had and Im sure dcs will just drop it and move on, but they havent handled anything well up to this point so maybe they wont see the light . . . will be interesting to see! Oh and that Li time battery ypou have there looks absolutely huge!! is that only 200ah? Looks like it should be at least 400 for the size . . . . Have you heard of Power Paul batteries? If not look em up cos they are amazing power for the size and very high amp draws etc. Market leading for sure. Ive had one for 18 months now and simply brilliant - not much bigger than my old 105ah AGM and it has 270ah lithium power so its a massive jump for me. Not cheap but quality and bang for buck is next level
I don't have an offroad vehicle, but am considering a caravan in the future, so I have watched a number of Stefans videos in the past, along with a lot of other Australian youtubers. This lawsuit has taught me one thing - when I buy a battery in the future, I will 100% make sure it is not a DCS battery purely because of their action in this case.
Mate we just got a van! 100% recommend it they are amazing 👏 Yeah be careful what youtubers tell you are good products, only take advice from the 1s that are open about payments they receive.
Thanks for highlighting this issue - watched several YT channels covering the action. The more get on board, and organised, the better Stephan's case is.
I rely on RUclips google reviews on products before I buy anything Stephan done a perfect job reviewing the battery Without genuine reviews we’re all wasting our money I have no fear knocking any product to anyone if it’s crap
They have absolutely destroyed their brand. Stefan is a top fella. Honest as the day is long. His reviews are fair, honest and well thought out. DCS really messed up with this one.
DCS have told us what they are about that’s what FAFO means. They should have proven their point by being good enough. Work with the guy who as a popular RUclips creator can reach a large audience. Stand together folks as a subscriber I have no interest is following people that are just not good enough. We can all do better and until we do. Nothing changes. ❤❤❤ is the answer the hippies had it right, in the 60’s.
The only way for DCS to save itself from potential bankruptcy, in my opinion (don’t sue me DCS), is for them to admit they went the wrong way, to recognise their mistakes and to tell everyone they are working to improve their products instead of silencing those who show the facts. And, of course, to reimburse Stephan for any legal fees to date. Otherwise, good riddance.
Funny you bring this up, I brought that exact point up with my mate. We both don't think the CEO is the type to swallow his pride. My mate also thinks it's to late, who would trust their products moving forward? I reckon they will rebrand and open up under a different name. DCS I don't think can continue.
Also Paul Tomolowicz, Managing Director of Deep Cycle Systems got busted driving on Fraser Island's Ecologically Sensitive dunes a few years ago, the clowns posted a video of them doing it, so it wasn't hard to know who it was, this is the sort of people who are in charge of DCS, it's illegal to drive where they were as the dunes are turtle migration sensitive areas, I hope the court case goes Stephan's way as these companies can't have it both ways, if you can't take some criticism then don't hand the product out to be reviewed, if bad review comes back, then step up and own the problem and fix it, this is what good companies do, not sue the reviewer.
Well said mate! I haven't seen anyone yet backing them for what they are doing. That's shocking them driving on the dunes and even more stupid to film it 🙄 Thanks for commenting 🙂
Thanks mate really appreciate that, it's not easy knowing I'm loosing upto a couple of grand a week to be honest. But I can sleep at night knowing I'm doing the right thing.
life chemistry is just not meant to be topped up and stored at 100% soc which is what happens under the bonnet, lead acid chemistry loves those conditions
The real judgement is in the hands of consumers. As long as we remember this and exercise our purchasing power, no wealthy company can suppress honest review.
It appears that DCS had the archives deleted from the wayback machine, but didnt know about TROVE - which is the national library in Canberra. Now that this info is out there, they are frankly screwed!
DCS had two ways to go - accept the results and broadcast their remedial actions. Or sue to hide results and pretend it never happened. Guess which trashes the company?
Mate so true! Also shows they probably didn't do in-house testing or any RND out using the batteries before releasing to market. As they didn't seem to know this issue existed.
Obviously DCS have absolutely no idea about how a company should operate. Firstly a companies biggest asset are their employees the second is your quality product and third listeng to your customer. Without your growing customer base you will have none of the first two. We rely on these factual reviews to help people like myself who don't have the expertise in these sorts of products. My business was built on customer service, customer service and customer service.
Thanks for commenting mate, you really did say it perfectly 👌 It bet your business is killing it, glad there is companies out there doing the right thing 👍
Also for everyone. Freedom of speech includes everything. Yes even that group. You don't get to pick and choose. If you do you don't believe in Freedom but tyranny
Great review mate dcs should be ashamed of themselves for treating Stephan like they did like another viewer stated we rely on these reviews that should be thanking him and learning from it to make their product better. Definitely no dcs batteries for me 👎🏻 I watched the American guy do his review he was blown away that you can’t talk freely about a product in Australia what is the world coming to.
Louis Rossman is the man doin gods work. He is a legend. People need to watch him. Yeh nah those big aussie names wont say anything. They're sell outs. Thats all there is.
Mate he's not holding back hey! He's definitely not scared of getting taken to court 😂 I was really hoping one of them might have said something in their video.
DSC might be chasing www.youtube.com/@WillProwse about his battery review? He made a community post about complaints lodged against his DCS battery review video, but that post has been taken down too
He did a great job hey, I wonder if DCS is talking to lawyers about suing everyone now reposting? As we are now talking shit about the company not the product which is defamation..... well we are all just going our opinions I guess 🤣😅
Thanks for the content and your support of Stefan. ps: I can't take my eyes off that 200ah Li time battery. I mean...wtf is with the size? 2 maybe 2.5x the size of a quality 300Ah
1 customer has already been through the QCAT process. The tribunal sided with DCS under the new warranty term. It was a joke, QCAT have no idea about the problems.
Where did you see that? Surely that can't be true? That's disgusting if it is courts are ment to look at the facts and that's it. If purchased prior to the change 80% warranty I guess as you said the judge probably didn't know what battery capacity was 😅
This is how lithium works though. I don't understand the issue, surely consumers know these things dont last forever. Where consumers should be mad is the electric vehicle and house batteries that cost 10s of thousands and they have the same drop in capacity.
DCS didn't like the real-life testing reults of their battery, so they 1. insideously changed the terms and conditions of the warranty 2. sued Stephan for telling the truth Great way to destroy a company
We agree, any review posts listed on RUclips that have been done, will be be scrutinised & if they don't like the results the business will try to have the post removed or try suing us over a "honest review"
Isn't it funny I am yet to have a company try this on me. I went to town on Darchee and they only reached out in private message to tell me I'm wrong. Maybe it's because of my autism? No one wants to be the company suing a disabled guy 😅🤣 An honest unpaid for review is all that belongs on RUclips.
Hey mate, correct if you bought it directly from DCS or from a retailer in Queensland and DCS aren't approving the refund then you lodge a case through QCAT. Message me on Instagram if you need more info as I don't see reply on here. @off.track4x4
good for the support. You mentioned you signed a non disclosure agreement. Was this with DCS and if so was it a condition of you receiving a " free to you" product to review.
A correction, the case is set for the district/county court and so cannot set precedent in this matter. If Stephan can be shown to tell the truth he wins. Truth is an absolute defence in defamation.
Thanks for the video, I am in the process of a battle with a seller here in Victoria. at this stage I have consumer affairs dealing with it and then vcat will take it up 1 step but I am sure they will not help me with taking it to court so what was the $150.00 option you mentioned. It was hard to understand in the video and the sub titles were miles off too, can you write it up or reply here so I can look at that option please. Many thanks guys. I have donated to Stephan's cause and look forward to the outcome. Some seriously shonky shit happening here for sure.
Hey Mike, So don't worry about Customer affairs or fair trading all the government agencies don't have power to help. Courts are the only ones that have that power. In Queensland we have QCAT, if you bought the battery from a retailer in Vic then VCAT is who you will lodge the matter with. Look up consumers Law that's what you are taking the retailer to court for breaking. No lawyers are aloud it's noice and simple, would most likely get sorted out at mediation. Message me on Instagram if you have any questions as I don't see replies on this. @off.track4x4
What is the QACC card claim? Or something along those lines you were trying to say. That is through consumer Law and is $150. I can't find anything on it. What's the correct wording?
Hey mate QCAT if you bought directly from them as they are located in Queensland where the sale took place. Messages me on Instagram if you need any help with it @off.track4x4
So the little girls at DCS wanted a review of their product, but spat the dummy when it didn’t go their way! It’s actually a rubbish Chinese made battery! Not suitable for installation in an engine bay. So Sue me I dare ya!
If I was DCS I’d be spending my money on R&D to fix the issue rather than lawyers to protect the reputation. Unfortunately it’s blown up and I wouldn’t touch DCS as well as others. Next step would be retailers to boycott DCS and get them out of Australia
Funny you bring your retailers.... did you know if DCS go under the retailers are the ones that cover the warranty! So if I was selling their batteries I'd be sending them back right about now
How many other big 4x4 channels will mention this? And how many will remain silent so they don't ruin their gravy train of taking cash for positive reviews?
Mate love tour comment! I'm guessing your getting sick of all the paid product promotions in videos aswell. I bet very few of the big Aussie RUclipsrs will talk up.
@@Off.Track4x4 I sent info about the dcs law suit to one large aus youtuber.. By PM they said it was terrible and they've previously been threatened with a law suit, but on their channel they mention nothing. Most of the guys you mentioned are all mates and a bit of a closed club. They'd hate to mention someone else in case it steals their clicks.
Funny you mention steal their clicks! To me if they did more collaborations and helped the smaller channels out I reckon there would be more content there for more people coming on RUclips to watch. I feel that the content is getting less and less as so many of the small channels give up.
the biggest issue Stephan saga revealed that content creators failed to mention they have signed a secret NDA's preventing content creators from even mentioning there is a secret agreement with the manufacturer
I think it's pretty clear to see who's taking the cash and doing the dirty in their subscribers. It's up to us the consumers of youtube to push back in the comments and ask for transparency. I would never sign any contract with a supplier, I want freedom to speak my mind.
DCS should NOT win over Stefan as an example for freedom of speech. Are DCS going to sue the Aussie Government as well for their findings? I hope they kept the DCS battery they tested for evidence.
Free speech in Australia? 🤔 😂 🤣 Great joke mate 👍 I left the 4x4 community 10+ year's ago, I covered all of Gippsland and honestly there's more stupidity than I can handle. Eg:Gippsland OFFROAD says that's my name! "Gippsland 4x4" looks a lot different than Gippsland OFFROAD! 😂 People constantly complaining they break parts on our track's yet we tell them a 4in lift and 35's is a must all for them to turn up in A/T 31's! 🤔 I later turned to electronics, building my own batterys ect. It's all a Scam! If they want to play dirty, play dirtier! It's all in the BMS!!!
@@Off.Track4x4 exactly, if they're rebranded and NOT helping fellow companies by endorsing the products they use to build the pack's? That's the first red flag! From what I see in picture's is rebranding and or scrubbed brand names from PCBs. Also cell's don't match pictures from the same timeframe telling me that they're buying battery's in very low patches. So that'd be very inconsistent!
What type of battery are you talking about? If it's a lead acid deep cycle battery then it will not keep its capacity as well as other types. The greater the level of discharge the shorter the life of the battery, it's a sliding scale. I have my 200aH batteries set to no more than 50% discharge and they have lasted 9yrs so far. If I had discharged them regularly to say 90% then they would have been dead within 2 years. Don't know about DCS this is only for general info.
Aus defamation laws are crap - but truth is a defense - so test and document, and reject the time wasting empty threats of lawyers and obstinate companies / individuals.
![DCS Deep Cycle Systems Defamation [Update 2] | " We don't sue anyone for reviews"](/img/1.gif)
Thank you for supporting Stephan with this
DCS were SO stupid . They have basically destroyed their Brand .
It's funny how quickly the tide shifted hey! They may go under before it makes it to court
@@Off.Track4x4 . Yeah . " F " 'em .
Couldn't happen to a " Nicer " Mob .
@@Off.Track4x4 I believe October is the next court date.
Boycott them fore sure, have a look at the latest review by Will Prouse says it all
They will go under, whether they win or lose.
WE ALL STAND AGAINST DCS
Well said mate 👏
Thanks for commenting
I think what it is is this - DCS should have exploited this issue to improve its business model - taken the issue up with their suppliers to have product improvement or sourced alternate products to make customers satisfied - instead they appear hell bent on digging their own grave.
Yeah scary times for all youtubers.
Thanks for sharing your support.
Thanks mate, all ways happy to support the little guy 😀
It looks like it's more scary for dodgy companies who choose to sue RUclipsrs for no good reason - they get exposed and highlighted. The 'Barbara Streisand effect' where someone tries to censor information but causes increased awareness. I'd say DCS will be remembered for a very long time for all the wrong reasons, while Stefan and all his great supporters will become more respected.
This guy is legit - randomly booked hicamp on his property and got lots of great free gear advice as well.
Thanks mate 👍 hope the advice has help, alot to learn hey
@@Off.Track4x4 Where is the Hicamp property located? Just town/area is fine, don't need exact address.
Thanks for making this video in support of Stefan. I've watched Stefan's videos for many years and learnt a lot. He knows his stuff. First video of yours I've seen. Interesting to see the Hardkorr products. I bought a set of 4 of the little white Hardkorr U-lite's (with inbuilt lithium battery) after seeing them reviewed by a camping RUclipsr (forget who). I loved them so much I bought another 2 sets for friends. Keep up the good work.👍
Happy to support the little guy even if it puts me in the shit.
Bro the U-lites are amazing hardkorrs where the originals and I believe they are still the brightest. I got to have a good two hour chat to the Hardkorr CEO on Saturday, some very cool stuff coming. hopefully I can get some of it to review 😊
Companies are now shooting the messenger, no judge is going to support them doing that.
Louis Rossmann did a great dig - getting the ARENA data out there for all to see...
As well as the historical data..
PS. Australian consumer rights cannot be excluded by any warranty terms, no matter what the company prints or publishes.
Hey mate, he really did hey I don't know how he found it but I'm glad he did.
Exactly…no “warranty” can offer less than consumer law.
Good on ya!!! I did prompt a few of the main youtubers out there to get onto this when Stephen 1st raised this but didn't hear anything back so great that fellow youtubers are now getting onto this.
Hey Craig, yeah I've reached out before I think they are scared of loosing what they worked hard to build. Not be I'd rather fight for the little guys 💪
You'll never get a negative review of any kind from the larger and more popular youtubers.
I remember a couple of years ago meeting one of the more popular personalities at a show, and asked him his thoughts on the navigation system that he ran (and that he spruiked on his channel) and he had no hesitation in telling me that it was crap, and that the competitor product was far and away superior. I thanked him for his honesty but walked away shaking my head.
The more popular ones will not bite the hand that feeds them.... and it's for that reason that the likes of Stephan should be supported and commended for their honesty and bravery.
Mate this is so true! Unfortunately once you start excepting cash for comment it gets difficult, that's why people are better off remembering why they started youtube, to give back not get rich from pushing shit.
If you want different advice, just wait until said RUclipsr switches brands. Then their entire outlook on said product will change 😂
@SaltEarthandSun absolutely spot on. They hunt with the hounds and run with the foxes (a lot of them...not all of them)
@@Off.Track4x4 "to give back not get rich from pushing shit". Is that why you have a table in front of you blatantly full of mainly Chinese products you are pushing? And topping that, you're using a decent guy's terrible predicament to get another video out for your own gain? He doesn't need help from annoying people trying to jump on the bandwagon. I don't think he has too much concern of being sued and losing, but rather, he has a huge concern in spending a fortune in order to defend himself. So if you are really wanting to help him like you stated, be genuine, commit, and send him a $1000 towards his legal bills.
Good on you mate, Stefan does need support.
It's good to see so many people getting behind him.
Thanks for the comment to keep the traction going.
Thanks mate, well done. Subscribed, not because of DCS but because I admire your style; and look forward to your travels and travails.
Aww thanks for the Sub and kind words!
Very exciting times ahead, brought on an off sider so we will have travel and review content each week 👌
Very well said, all reviewers should get behind this or freedom of speed, honest real world reviews and personnel option will be gone. How a retailer (not just DCS) can give products for testing and review and then have a dummy spit when their not so great products are shown to be not so great is beyond me... Great that so many people are supporting Stephan.
Thanks for commenting mate and helping spread the message!
It's beyond me how the company did not know this would get found out? Surly they new their batteries had issues? The whole thing is weird, but hopefully this blowing up sends a strong message that everyone wants freedom of speech to continue and will fight for it.
Freedom of “speed”, huh? Proof read your text.
Nice to see you supporting Stephan.
Thanks mate, happy to help the little guys thanks for commenting to keep the video going
Thankyou that was extremely well put , I watched Stephans original videos and his following videos on this very subject ,
I am appalled how DCS has acted , They clearly dont care for their reputation which would be spiralling way past negative Word of Mouth is very Powerful
I'm not a youtuber but a very avid watcher of a wide variety of channels , I have watched a couple o you videos previously so now i have subscribed to your channel as i feel you are a honest sincere reliable bloke ,
Thankyou again and keep em coming .
Cheers Mate 👍
Thanks for the nice words mate and for subbing.
I try to keep it real and help people out with my voice even if it's only small.
about 3 hours ago DIY Solar Power with Will Prowse ,has a dcs battery and is testing it as well as disassembling it.
Was a great video hey! The capacity drop Problem could have just been found
That was an awesome review/test by Will because it passed his initial testing with flying colours but failed miserably once he inside. Kinda like the company their batteries look good on the outside….
Someone reported the video to RUclips
I just watched it today so it is still up.
@@MrSwaggie1 that's good to hear,I don't think they can take it down,cause Will's channel test batteries,solar, etc.Has the test gear .Can't see what the problem with the video would be.
Thank You I will remember this brand
Thank you for commenting keep the traction going.
Really glad you have done this video. Andrew St Pierre White also did a video on this a few hours ago too (at the time of this comment). Saw the two Louis Rossmann videos on that and he didn't hold back. In my opinion DCS has got bad legal advice or has bad solicitors. Seems to me DCS has actually shot themselves in the foot, or cut their nose to spite their face.
Hey Phil thanks for commenting and supporting the fight. Glad others are posting, more the better.
My first filming was balls to the wall nasty, but I decided to tone it down and watch what I said. I'm guessing the owner of DCS would be near bankruptcy and he might try to make his money back by taking lawsuits out on everyone 😅🤣😂
@@Off.Track4x4 That would not surprise me in the least.
Will Prowse Has just done his own assessment of the DCS battery in question, Interesting inside the guts of it.
Was a great watch wasn't it! Just more bad stuff coming out. I don't know why DCS opened this can of worms
@@Off.Track4x4 I guess they think they are trying to prove a point, unfortunately for them, they have skeletons in their closet so these will come back to bite them in Stephans favour.
A comment for the YT algo. Good video btw.
Thanks for kinds words and supporting the video. 🙂
Great informative video. Explains a lot. And yes us RUclipsrs definitely need to stick together. Strength in numbers. Cheers.
Well said mate! Glad to see this week a few more are jumping on board.
They'll go under for this, don't forget to leave your 1 star review on Google everyone !!
Hey mate, thanks for commenting.
I'm with you I don't see how they survive this. Week after week youtubers are keeping it front and centre.
Google is a great idea 💡
i Have a dcs 200ah slimline I bought in 2022, This is useful information, thank you
Glad to help, let me know if you get it tested
Solid vid, look forward to updates as things unfold
Thanks mate, thanks for commenting I'll definitely do an update video
It's great when a company does its own negative advertising, the battery community is large and I've not seen the review but thanks DCS you made it easy when crossing off who not to trade with.
Yeah mate, I think everyone knows now not to buy DCS. I wonder how long they can last?
We’re stronger together. “Someone” also issued a “privacy” strike against a US RUclipsr that tested a similar DCS battery and then opened the battery to show the build quality. That is a great video to watch
I saw that! Bloody pathetic they did want it getting out there how bad their build quality was.
Interesting in Will Prowse's vid yesterday he found the cells appear to be either re sleeved or b grade cells, that battery should have technically been 120 but he tested and only had 102ah, all in his vid. Interesting stuff
Was another massive finding hey! And the cable rubbing that would short put the battery..... Glass houses is all I'm going to say 🤣😅
Will Prowse did a review, only 17hrs ago. Big guy in the states to do with solar, batteries etc. He wasnt happy either
How good is that guys over in the US have jumped on board 👏
Good onya for supporting Stefan mate!
Its pretty cool how much support he has had!
None of the big boy youtubers will jump on board because they make their money from just saying the good stuff about the latest sponsors - everyone should realise by now its simply advertising and more than likely they would probably choose other products/brands on their personal vehicles . . . would be interesting to know but its all down to $$$$ which is a shame but also understandable.
Just FYI - Something you mentioned about batteries and the degradation - every battery out there will degrade over time - it is generally 2-3% per year on average through "normal use: but obviously varies on battery quality and usage conditions etc. The major issue Stefan has had is that DCS warranted it to degrade more with under bonnet use but in real life experience Stefan encountered a much more dramatic degradation than what he was told to expect.
Ive been following Stefan for about 6 or 7 yrs and have always placed so much faith in him because he is so transparent unlike the majority of youtubers who review products.
Its bloody brilliant seeing all the support Stefan has had and Im sure dcs will just drop it and move on, but they havent handled anything well up to this point so maybe they wont see the light . . . will be interesting to see!
Oh and that Li time battery ypou have there looks absolutely huge!! is that only 200ah? Looks like it should be at least 400 for the size . . . .
Have you heard of Power Paul batteries? If not look em up cos they are amazing power for the size and very high amp draws etc. Market leading for sure. Ive had one for 18 months now and simply brilliant - not much bigger than my old 105ah AGM and it has 270ah lithium power so its a massive jump for me. Not cheap but quality and bang for buck is next level
Hey mate well said, I'll look into the batteries I love bring new products into the spotlight
I don't have an offroad vehicle, but am considering a caravan in the future, so I have watched a number of Stefans videos in the past, along with a lot of other Australian youtubers. This lawsuit has taught me one thing - when I buy a battery in the future, I will 100% make sure it is not a DCS battery purely because of their action in this case.
Mate we just got a van! 100% recommend it they are amazing 👏
Yeah be careful what youtubers tell you are good products, only take advice from the 1s that are open about payments they receive.
Thanks for highlighting this issue - watched several YT channels covering the action. The more get on board, and organised, the better Stephan's case is.
Yep your not wrong mate, if we all work together they will have no option but to pull the case
Will Prowse from the US got hands on a dcs battery. He was impressed with the output but not so the build quality.
I thought it was a really well put together video hey, shows someone who really knows that they doing has looked at it.
I rely on RUclips google reviews on products before I buy anything
Stephan done a perfect job reviewing the battery
Without genuine reviews we’re all wasting our money
I have no fear knocking any product to anyone if it’s crap
Good on you! I'm the same I will call something shit if it is shit, people have a right to know
They have absolutely destroyed their brand. Stefan is a top fella. Honest as the day is long. His reviews are fair, honest and well thought out. DCS really messed up with this one.
Mate well said! I just wonder if enough damage has been done to get them to call off the court case
Hoping lots of DCS owners now testing the capacity of their batteries, discovering they have dropped by 20% and requesting a refund
Yep that was why I brought it up, an extra jab to them 🤣😂
DCS have told us what they are about that’s what FAFO means.
They should have proven their point by being good enough.
Work with the guy who as a popular RUclips creator can reach a large audience.
Stand together folks as a subscriber I have no interest is following people that are just not good enough.
We can all do better and until we do.
Nothing changes.
❤❤❤ is the answer the hippies had it right, in the 60’s.
Well said mate! I don't think they can come back from this honestly
@@Off.Track4x4 who wants em, cheap Chinese crap they are pedaling.
Great to see another supporting video ❤
Happy to support the little guy. Thank you for commenting to give the video traction
Awesome support mate. Well done 👌
Thanks for watching all these years mate. Happy to help out the little guy 😀
even here in Norway, we are against this company BS - I hope they get whats coming
Thaks for watching all the way in Norway!! The DCS issue really is going world wide 🤣😂
The only way for DCS to save itself from potential bankruptcy, in my opinion (don’t sue me DCS), is for them to admit they went the wrong way, to recognise their mistakes and to tell everyone they are working to improve their products instead of silencing those who show the facts. And, of course, to reimburse Stephan for any legal fees to date. Otherwise, good riddance.
Funny you bring this up, I brought that exact point up with my mate. We both don't think the CEO is the type to swallow his pride. My mate also thinks it's to late, who would trust their products moving forward?
I reckon they will rebrand and open up under a different name. DCS I don't think can continue.
@@Off.Track4x4sadly egos sink ships. I hope people expose the rebranded company as this company.
Another really good review mate of what’s going on.
Thanks mate, and thank you for commenting to keep the storing going
Also Paul Tomolowicz, Managing Director of Deep Cycle Systems got busted driving on Fraser Island's Ecologically Sensitive dunes a few years ago, the clowns posted a video of them doing it, so it wasn't hard to know who it was, this is the sort of people who are in charge of DCS, it's illegal to drive where they were as the dunes are turtle migration sensitive areas, I hope the court case goes Stephan's way as these companies can't have it both ways, if you can't take some criticism then don't hand the product out to be reviewed, if bad review comes back, then step up and own the problem and fix it, this is what good companies do, not sue the reviewer.
Well said mate! I haven't seen anyone yet backing them for what they are doing. That's shocking them driving on the dunes and even more stupid to film it 🙄
Thanks for commenting 🙂
He is obviously a DCS.
Dumb Cockhead & Stupid
All my opinion, of course, for the legal parasites he may employ.
100% accurate!!!
@@Off.Track4x4 Yep, they are just clowsns, it's easy to find the video just type dcs driving on fraser island, it pops up everywhere
Previous to this debacle- I MIGHT have considered DCS in some situations.
NOW- a snowball’s chance in hell. NOT EVER!
Hahahhaha love this!! Snowball chance in hell. Do you reckon that's where the owner feels like he is right now? 🤭
Well done mate,,,your channel is what RUclips should be...not where it is drifting!
Thanks mate really appreciate that, it's not easy knowing I'm loosing upto a couple of grand a week to be honest. But I can sleep at night knowing I'm doing the right thing.
life chemistry is just not meant to be topped up and stored at 100% soc which is what happens under the bonnet, lead acid chemistry loves those conditions
Not to mention the crazy summer head. I agree with you mate, stick to what works
DCS are really enjoying the Streisand Effect..... lol
Hahah love this
@@Off.Track4x4I didn’t know what the Streisand effect was, had to look it up LOL :-)
THANK YOU
THAT TRUE WORDS ABOUT
It is mate!
Thanks for commenting to keep the video in the spot light
I’d never heard of DCS before a RUclipsr I follow posted about this issue, I sent 10 bucks to help Stefan fight his corner
That's so nice of you to donate, your a legend 😊
Every part helps
The real judgement is in the hands of consumers. As long as we remember this and exercise our purchasing power, no wealthy company can suppress honest review.
Best comment I've read all day! So true 👍
So many people forgot this and are scared of big company's
I would personally never give DCS a single cent of my money. The information I have seen is making them look very ugly.
It's not good hey, who would have thought all this would have come out at the start.
Thanks for commenting mate 👍
I wouldn't have one under the bonnet . I wouldn't buy one on the price alone.😂
Good on you for supporting Stefan. Im afraid you will never find 4WD24/7 offering support for this.
Wouldn't it be good if they did support stuff like this! They have the ability to make real change but they don't.
While agree, I have to say, product reviews are a scourge on camping/4wding content creation.
I'm all for reviews so long as they are honest
The negative views will cost them much more than they will possibly gain from their lawsuit. DCS haven't thought this out very well.
Mate I know right! In Australia you just don't get a good pay day for suing it's not worth doing, lawyers take it all.
It appears that DCS had the archives deleted from the wayback machine, but didnt know about TROVE - which is the national library in Canberra. Now that this info is out there, they are frankly screwed!
Sucked in to them, don't be dodgy and nothing bad can come out.
You better get yourself a Panasonic Toughbook if you are filming in the rain!
Hahah your the first one that picked up on the rain 🤣😂
DCS had two ways to go - accept the results and broadcast their remedial actions. Or sue to hide results and pretend it never happened. Guess which trashes the company?
Mate so true! Also shows they probably didn't do in-house testing or any RND out using the batteries before releasing to market. As they didn't seem to know this issue existed.
Obviously DCS have absolutely no idea about how a company should operate. Firstly a companies biggest asset are their employees the second is your quality product and third listeng to your customer. Without your growing customer base you will have none of the first two. We rely on these factual reviews to help people like myself who don't have the expertise in these sorts of products. My business was built on customer service, customer service and customer service.
Thanks for commenting mate, you really did say it perfectly 👌
It bet your business is killing it, glad there is companies out there doing the right thing 👍
Nailed it.
im spreading the word amongst my community …
Good on you for sharing! Hopefully this is the last time we see this happening.
Also for everyone. Freedom of speech includes everything. Yes even that group. You don't get to pick and choose. If you do you don't believe in Freedom but tyranny
Well said mate 😁
Thanks for commenting
Great review mate dcs should be ashamed of themselves for treating Stephan like they did like another viewer stated we rely on these reviews that should be thanking him and learning from it to make their product better. Definitely no dcs batteries for me 👎🏻
I watched the American guy do his review he was blown away that you can’t talk freely about a product in Australia what is the world coming to.
Mate very well said 👌
Thank God everyone is standing by him through this
Louis Rossman is the man doin gods work. He is a legend. People need to watch him.
Yeh nah those big aussie names wont say anything. They're sell outs. Thats all there is.
Mate he's not holding back hey! He's definitely not scared of getting taken to court 😂
I was really hoping one of them might have said something in their video.
DSC might be chasing www.youtube.com/@WillProwse about his battery review? He made a community post about complaints lodged against his DCS battery review video, but that post has been taken down too
He did a great job hey, I wonder if DCS is talking to lawyers about suing everyone now reposting? As we are now talking shit about the company not the product which is defamation..... well we are all just going our opinions I guess 🤣😅
Thanks for the content and your support of Stefan. ps: I can't take my eyes off that 200ah Li time battery. I mean...wtf is with the size? 2 maybe 2.5x the size of a quality 300Ah
Hahahah yeah they aren't the smallest, but the inside of them is put together with really good cells and build quality is meant to be amazing.
@@Off.Track4x4 :)
1 customer has already been through the QCAT process.
The tribunal sided with DCS under the new warranty term.
It was a joke, QCAT have no idea about the problems.
Where did you see that? Surely that can't be true? That's disgusting if it is courts are ment to look at the facts and that's it. If purchased prior to the change 80% warranty
I guess as you said the judge probably didn't know what battery capacity was 😅
@Off.Track4x4 I'm in contact with him and it's as true as we stand here mate.
Very interesting, should be able search for Deep Cycle Systems under QCAT hearings.
This is how lithium works though. I don't understand the issue, surely consumers know these things dont last forever. Where consumers should be mad is the electric vehicle and house batteries that cost 10s of thousands and they have the same drop in capacity.
Hey mate, yes they loose capacity but normally not till outside warranty. If this had happened after 5 years no one would have been shocked
DCS didn't like the real-life testing reults of their battery, so they
1. insideously changed the terms and conditions of the warranty
2. sued Stephan for telling the truth
Great way to destroy a company
I'm hearing the government is looking into them 😅
Surely they can't make it back from this?
@@Off.Track4x4 probably apply for a govt. grant !
We agree, any review posts listed on RUclips that have been done, will be be scrutinised & if they don't like the results the business will try to have the post removed or try suing us over a "honest review"
Isn't it funny I am yet to have a company try this on me. I went to town on Darchee and they only reached out in private message to tell me I'm wrong. Maybe it's because of my autism? No one wants to be the company suing a disabled guy 😅🤣
An honest unpaid for review is all that belongs on RUclips.
Did you say “q-cat claim”? What is that? Can you post a link in the description?
Hey mate, correct if you bought it directly from DCS or from a retailer in Queensland and DCS aren't approving the refund then you lodge a case through QCAT. Message me on Instagram if you need more info as I don't see reply on here.
@off.track4x4
Great Vid and well explained !
Thanks mate 👍 alot to try to remember and spit out, only took us 6 atemps 🤣😂
good for the support. You mentioned you signed a non disclosure agreement. Was this with DCS and if so was it a condition of you receiving a " free to you" product to review.
Hello Adam na it was a caravan company, I won't take any products if they ask me to sign contracts.
Amen
Thanks mate 👍
A correction, the case is set for the district/county court and so cannot set precedent in this matter. If Stephan can be shown to tell the truth he wins. Truth is an absolute defence in defamation.
No a precedent in court but with other companies following them.
But not going to happen now 😂🤣
Thanks for the video, I am in the process of a battle with a seller here in Victoria. at this stage I have consumer affairs dealing with it and then vcat will take it up 1 step but I am sure they will not help me with taking it to court so what was the $150.00 option you mentioned. It was hard to understand in the video and the sub titles were miles off too, can you write it up or reply here so I can look at that option please. Many thanks guys. I have donated to Stephan's cause and look forward to the outcome. Some seriously shonky shit happening here for sure.
Hey Mike,
So don't worry about Customer affairs or fair trading all the government agencies don't have power to help. Courts are the only ones that have that power. In Queensland we have QCAT, if you bought the battery from a retailer in Vic then VCAT is who you will lodge the matter with. Look up consumers Law that's what you are taking the retailer to court for breaking. No lawyers are aloud it's noice and simple, would most likely get sorted out at mediation.
Message me on Instagram if you have any questions as I don't see replies on this.
@off.track4x4
What is the QACC card claim? Or something along those lines you were trying to say. That is through consumer Law and is $150. I can't find anything on it. What's the correct wording?
Hey mate QCAT if you bought directly from them as they are located in Queensland where the sale took place. Messages me on Instagram if you need any help with it @off.track4x4
So the little girls at DCS wanted a review of their product, but spat the dummy when it didn’t go their way! It’s actually a rubbish Chinese made battery! Not suitable for installation in an engine bay. So Sue me I dare ya!
Love the comment made!! 👌
It's blowing up spectacularly in their face 🤣
shit-yeah
Thanks mate 😁
If I was DCS I’d be spending my money on R&D to fix the issue rather than lawyers to protect the reputation. Unfortunately it’s blown up and I wouldn’t touch DCS as well as others. Next step would be retailers to boycott DCS and get them out of Australia
Funny you bring your retailers.... did you know if DCS go under the retailers are the ones that cover the warranty! So if I was selling their batteries I'd be sending them back right about now
@@Off.Track4x4 It’s usually the other way, that’s so dodgy
This has really blown up in their face big time. Even if any judge decides with DCS, their brand is absolutely done.
Well said mate, I 100% agree no coming back now
How many other big 4x4 channels will mention this? And how many will remain silent so they don't ruin their gravy train of taking cash for positive reviews?
Mate love tour comment! I'm guessing your getting sick of all the paid product promotions in videos aswell. I bet very few of the big Aussie RUclipsrs will talk up.
@@Off.Track4x4 I sent info about the dcs law suit to one large aus youtuber.. By PM they said it was terrible and they've previously been threatened with a law suit, but on their channel they mention nothing. Most of the guys you mentioned are all mates and a bit of a closed club. They'd hate to mention someone else in case it steals their clicks.
Funny you mention steal their clicks! To me if they did more collaborations and helped the smaller channels out I reckon there would be more content there for more people coming on RUclips to watch. I feel that the content is getting less and less as so many of the small channels give up.
Will Prouse was not impressed with the build quality
Was a great video he did hey 👏
the biggest issue Stephan saga revealed that content creators failed to mention they have signed a secret NDA's preventing content creators from even mentioning there is a secret agreement with the manufacturer
I think it's pretty clear to see who's taking the cash and doing the dirty in their subscribers. It's up to us the consumers of youtube to push back in the comments and ask for transparency. I would never sign any contract with a supplier, I want freedom to speak my mind.
Good onya mate. 👍
Thanks mate 🙂
Subscribed, thanks for standing up for free speech.
Thanks for the sub mate, just doing what's right 😁
Let ronny at them!! He will get the word across
Would be good if he did say something, no risk of being taken to court now, to many people sharing the story.
DCS should NOT win over Stefan as an example for freedom of speech. Are DCS going to sue the Aussie Government as well for their findings? I hope they kept the DCS battery they tested for evidence.
Mate very well said, they can't just go after the little guy.
Free speech in Australia? 🤔 😂 🤣
Great joke mate 👍
I left the 4x4 community 10+ year's ago, I covered all of Gippsland and honestly there's more stupidity than I can handle.
Eg:Gippsland OFFROAD says that's my name! "Gippsland 4x4" looks a lot different than Gippsland OFFROAD! 😂
People constantly complaining they break parts on our track's yet we tell them a 4in lift and 35's is a must all for them to turn up in A/T 31's! 🤔
I later turned to electronics, building my own batterys ect.
It's all a Scam!
If they want to play dirty, play dirtier!
It's all in the BMS!!!
Don't alot of these companies just use other brands cells and BMS, very few make the parts themselves
@@Off.Track4x4 exactly, if they're rebranded and NOT helping fellow companies by endorsing the products they use to build the pack's? That's the first red flag!
From what I see in picture's is rebranding and or scrubbed brand names from PCBs.
Also cell's don't match pictures from the same timeframe telling me that they're buying battery's in very low patches. So that'd be very inconsistent!
You only have to look inside one of their batteries to make up your mind. Rough as hessian undies. Very sad DCS.
Hahahahha 🤣😂
Love this comment
What type of battery are you talking about? If it's a lead acid deep cycle battery then it will not keep its capacity as well as other types. The greater the level of discharge the shorter the life of the battery, it's a sliding scale. I have my 200aH batteries set to no more than 50% discharge and they have lasted 9yrs so far. If I had discharged them regularly to say 90% then they would have been dead within 2 years. Don't know about DCS this is only for general info.
Hey mate both their lithium house battery's and car lithium batteries appear to have an issue
Are they DCS batteries or are they Chinese batteries that DCS market?
I believe that DCS put them together but import the parts. But I could be wrong
Aus defamation laws are crap - but truth is a defense - so test and document, and reject the time wasting empty threats of lawyers and obstinate companies / individuals.
I'll be interested to see how it does play out in court if it makes it that far. I agree you shouldn't get in shit for telling the truth
The breakdown by Will Prowse says it all! Total junk inside
Was great hey, so good it looks like DCS might have reported it to RUclips to try and get it removed 😅🤣
100% will never look at these batteries
I wonder how many sales they have had in the last month? 🤣😂
will prowse did a teardown of the battery ruclips.net/video/9NHTNCK2KUU/видео.html
It's great watching isn't it!!! Was going really well till he opened the battery up.... boom looks like could be more lying 🤥
@Off.Track4x4 yeah all was good till he pulled it apart,i donated some money to help with the lawsuit this stuff cant stand
Cannot make comments on their instagram page currently.
That's mental hey, I was thinking of calling them today to get their side of the store, thoughts?
Will Prowse rips into DCS about their poor build quality…
It was good hey, you could tell he was genuinely shocked when he opened it up
I jumped on to say for people to check out Will's video on it but you beat me to it. Bad businesses like this need to be shared with everyone
The strategy that DCS has adopted is faulty to say the least.
I hear you mate! Not great management
I had never heard of this company until now and will definitely not buy
Thanks for commenting Steve, not the best way for people to be learning about their business hey 😅
"Fischer"
Thanks mate, fixed now
Why didn't dcs sue the gov for their review
Shit! Booom best legal defence right there!
Don't just fight and win, shut the company down, boycott the bullies and make an example of those who try to manipulate and destroy free speech.
Very well said mate! Hopefully this happens
I will never buy a DCS product and if the topic comes up around the camp fire... I'll happily tell people why.
Well said mate, I think alot of people are telling friends