Such stupid oversight issues that sound like nobody got a work order. What else is going on that the workers let it go, knowing they did nothing wrong waiting for a work order? Beurocracy. The CEO is an accountant. Also, the whistle blowers and safety issues. Disgruntled workers feeling handcuffed to the point of letting something go. Blame to no work order and inspectors.
I know a little more than the public about Boeing. I was job hunting and found programing positions in their business software division on their site back before they killed 2 planefuls of people on the Max 8s. This led me to employee blogs where I found multiple complaints from programmers and project leaders about managements policy of only caring about deadlines not quality. They said that many had left in disgust. I am thinking NASA is finally deciding they cannot trust this deceitful company. Maybe, you could search for those blogs and find someone to interview.
Yea, Boeing will try to bring them home. They will probably be succsessful, I hope. If they have to call on SpaceX for a rescue mission NAS and Boeing will lose so much face they will have to leave the spacecraft manufacturing business to commercial contractors.
Idk why Boeing failing is NASA’s fault. Why would it be embarrassing for NASA when Boeing and Bigelow Aerospace built Starliner. This would be like blaming NASA every time a space X rockets explodes.
Well, there's bringing them home... planets are kind of big and hard to miss. Then there's getting them back alive... which will depend at least some on the thrusters. And bringing them back on target, which will require more active use of the thrusters to steer the vehicle.
its 100% better if spacex sends dragon up to take them home, then the possibility the starliner doesn't bring the crew home. space is dangerous and there is no place for pride when it comes to human lives.
I do believe nasa is trying to save face with starliner. In my opinion, they should give SS dream chaser the money to develop the crew version and drop boing. It may take a little longer to develop crew dream chaser but it will be better in the long run
Would not in the least bit be surprised if Sierra Space has a Crew Emergency Return interior ready to bolt in to the Cargo version they're due to test fly soon, or can send the tools and instructions up, to pull the seats from Starliner and fit to Dream Chaser. The only issue to get past first, is Dream Chaser hasn't passed it first flight test yet either, but is on schedule to do so. Fast tracking the paperwork side of that should be a NASA priority, so the tests can be focused on.
Great Comment ! The Dream Chaser is not a Nazi program ! The Dream Chaser is a program of Sierra Space and once the seven contracted Cargo missions are completed the Cargo Dream Chaser will be FREE to UP-Grade to the Crew Dream Chaser ! tjl
@@Wi2Low There is plenty of justification for securing supply by ensuring there is more than one option. No matter how safe falcon 9 or dragon is if there is ever an accident involving either system they will have to ground it until the issue has been identified and resolved. There is also a financial risk in sticking with a single supplier as nothing is stopping SpaceX from raising prices to their liking as long as they have a monopoly.
@@Wi2Low Redundancy was the whole point. If there is ever an issue with Dragon, or they're grounded, there is no other vehicle available outside of Russia to get crews and cargo too and from the ISS. The EU, Japan and India could develop their own, in a dire emergency China could even offer a rescue with their Soyuz based hardware. But until anyone else builds something compatible, or Dream Chaser gets crew-rated, Redundancy is Required.
It’s good that you pointed out that the astronauts are not in any danger. NASA should let the astronauts stay on the ISS and send the Starliner back to Earth without the crew. I have a bad feeling about this situation. It has the ingredients for disaster because there is the potential for politics to influence a technical decision. Boeing and NASA would look bad if they send Starliner back to Earth without a crew. Is there any way to find out if NASA is preparing a contingency plan, such as moving up the next crew Dragon mission?
I think that Starliner will be able to retuen with the crew. but before it is to late i would say that a Dragon captule shuld be on standby in case it is needed.
I was thinking about that. It should actually be way easier to get them a dragon capsule than a normal crewed mission. Usually with a crewed mission they have to get a block 5 booster available for launch. But there won’t be any humans in the dragon capsule on the way up. So they can use any booster. Which they have plenty of. It’s kind of like when the military told SpaceX they wanted to change the launch site for one of their missions. The military expected huge delays. But my understanding SpaceX had a rocket ready at the new location ready before the military got the payload to the new location. If I had to guess SpaceX could get them a dragon capsule with just a week’s notice. But that’s just a random guess. But guessing can make me look really smart if I end up being right. 😁🧐🤣😂
@@ecospider5 It would take at least a couple of months to get a dragon ready. The life support systems and communication systems are not the same on the two crafts. They would have to build adapters or build SpaceX suits for the two crew members. There is only one Dragon capsule anywhere near to being ready to fly again. It is scheduled for Sept or Oct to the ISS. The other three are either on station, just returned from station, or has a window where the docking adapter would be.
NASA should never have flown the Buggy Starliner in the first place. Any craft that can't run withing the envelopes of its own specs should be sent back to the lab and refined until it works as specified.
Having to send Sunni & Butch home in a Dragon capsule would be another huge humiliation for Boeing. This is far better than losing them and the capsule if a safe re-entry cannot be affected though
Well, I think that the excuse of Boeing and NASA will be like.... Sorry, after that, our space suits run out of oxygen. (Problems with discomfort and Water) Therefore, We cannot realize the external safety tests for undocking. And we must call the dragon for help. Nice, face-saver.
I don't think it's possible for them to return in the spaceX capsule, since they don't have compatible pressure suits. If I'm wrong about this, please correct me. I think it will be okay to return in the Boeing capsule, assuming there is enough system redundancy remaining.
Thank you Ellie for strait- cool & best reporting. I warched Sunita Williams years ago on the ISS via NASA TV. I'm happy she got to go again. People in India see her as the astronaut from India but of course she is a US Test Pilot. You are the best reporter for Space & Tesla Tech development & congrats for the 100 K plack. 🎉
I think the bigger issues are, "How is Space X doing what they are doing?" They have only been in the game for what 15 to 20 years? NASA, Lockheed, and Boeing have been at this game for over 50 years! Why are they making such stupid mistakes and taking so much money! Space X has something like close to 100% success rate with Falcon rocket and reusability. Something is very wrong at NASA and the legacy aerospace industry.
When a 1 week stay becomes a 1 month stay.. That smacks of desperation from Boeing. They either don’t know what’s wrong. Or know - and it’s potentially catastrophic. Either way it would not be safe to return with humans.
Hey Ellie, I just heard that SpaceX is replacing the tiles on a starship. I just thought how I’d love to purchase one of those tiles that they took off the starship. I wonder if SpaceX is just gonna get rid of all the tiles they remove and how maybe you could sell them!
That footage is from 2 years ago when the OFT-2 Starliner was being towed, and it is a plastic cover for the window, not a door, and is just taped on until the capsule gets to the VIF for stacking on Atlas.
If they are not 1000%, sure all systems are functional. No Go. Boeing should not risk the lives of the two astronauts! Boeings track record is already horrendous!
Starliner will return just fine. As you stated, the delay was to investigate the thruster problem. This is a huge issue; the RCS thrusters failed on the uncrewed docking, too. My guess is the capsule will have 15-24 months of re-engineering and repair before it flies again. Sierra Nevada's Dreamchaser is on a path to usurp Starliner if this fall's test is as successful as most of us believe it will be. Yes, it is the cargo version, but verifying it also complete much of the verification of the crewed version. Just as SpaceX learned from Cargo Dragon, SN will benefit from Cargo Dreamchaser. Within a few years, the Boeing price point will drive them from the market. They can't compete with SpaceX and SN on price.
Hey Miss Ellie, can you do a space report that closely compares the flight controls of the Boeing Strand-Liner and the SpaceX Falcon? Suggest you start simple by asking if there are any controls (toggle or electrical turn contact switches on the flight control panels that generate sparks when a switch opens or closes it's electrical contacts? (much lika s aparkplug). Not sure but with Falcons touch screen, they likely engineered to use modern solid-state switches like SCRs, FETs and the like that reduce likelyhood of arc-ignition of leaked volatile oxygen, or propellant gasses that might leak behind capsule control panels from micrometeorite strike or assembly quality control failure oversight. Ask Mr. Joe T if he knows about arcing switches or what sadly happened to the Apollo 1 astronauts, that NASA seems to be forgetting about...Peace out for now.
Yup, they stuck. Just because the entire Boeing PR section jumps up and down on the head of anyone speaking this truth, it doesn't mean it's not true. They are stuck just like people bumped off a flight who are stuck waiting in an airport.
I heard the reason that they are delay to come home is because they couldn’t release their capsule from the space station, furthermore, it has something to do with Boeing ask India to produce this capsule which India reduce cost and use aluminium instead of Titanium at the connecting valves! So it is true?
Oh, what a shame, dear Ellie. You didn't activate the subtitles setting in other languages. You must have forgotten. I don't understand or speak English, so I watch videos from channels that have this setting activated. This is the only platform that offers this feature. I don't understand why, because in Russia all the news programs have subtitles in all languages. I've been watching your videos that had this setting activated, you know, dear? But it's okay. I'll come back another time when I have this setting activated, because I love your articles. Thank you, dear. Great work, and have a great weekend. ❤️💝💖👏👏🌹🍀🌿🚀
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Expect a dragon to be sent up to bring them back. Let the Boeing to be used to transport the junk back on. An auto reentry on the Boeing back will probably be the safest option. If it fails and the crew are lost the scandal will finish Boeing in the space industry
At 0:32, Starliner is being towed down a public road and an escape hatch blows off. No one stops. Did Ellie choose this clip intentionally to visually depict Starliner failures? We can't be sure of Schrodinger's astronauts until they land safely and give a press interview.
That footage is from 2 years ago when the OFT-2 Starliner was being towed, and it is a plastic cover for the window, not a door, and is just taped on until the capsule gets to the VIF for stacking on Atlas.
That footage is from 2 years ago when the OFT-2 Starliner was being towed, and it is a plastic cover for the window, not a door, and is just taped on until the capsule gets to the VIF for stacking on Atlas.
That footage was taken over 2 years ago fo the OFT-2 rollout, and it's just a taped on plastic cover to protect the window during transport to the pad. They'd have taken it off at the pad after stacking on Atlas.
Boeing & US is willing to sacrifice the lifes of the astronauts than to ask Space X or even China to help to bring them home safely. I sincely hope the leaders put their pride aside for the safety of everyone onboard the station.
Boeing is toast since they replaced all their managers with non-technical personnel five years ago. Why is Space X considered a single space launcher? They will soon have three kinds of reuseable rockets and numerous crew capsules. I suspect Dream Chases will be a better option.
That footage is from 2 years ago when the OFT-2 Starliner was being towed, and it is a plastic cover for the window, not a door, and is just taped on until the capsule gets to the VIF for stacking on Atlas.
That footage is from 2 years ago when the OFT-2 Starliner was being towed, and it is a plastic cover for the window, not a door, and is just taped on until the capsule gets to the VIF for stacking on Atlas.
Just want to remind all space fan, that Space X, Boeing and Blue Origin, as private companies are still not able to do what Boeing/North American/Douglas and Grumman under NASA control, did in the ‘60. The current American space program is in jeopardy, because economic interests and likely some corruption are causing failures.
That footage is from 2 years ago when the OFT-2 Starliner was being towed, and it is a plastic cover for the window, not a door, and is just taped on until the capsule gets to the VIF for stacking on Atlas.
They are test pilots. They have a ton of experience with partially working vehicles. Those two are experts at judging risk so don’t expect things to be perfect. It will be interesting to see the final report in a year. If they decide they can fly this ship home or if they get a space Uber.
@PDZ1122 No. You do not need to be a space engineer to see wtf is going on. When a manned mission is ongoing, there shouldn't be any helium leaks and thruster problem , where 4 or 5 thrusters stopped working for a moment, I much lower orbit happened because of that. In test flights it can happen. But you do not have a test space flight with humans. This is to many errors for a company that always lying and making up things when windows falls off boeing airplanes. Boeing is a company with 1 goal. Make money and more money. Space x actually cares about safety and Elon musk have a dream about Mars with his entire team.boeing does not.
Yep.....as Boeing says "All of this is going according to plan and we think everything is going well!" As they try to assure everyone that this plan is giving them plenty of time to assess the leaks and fixes. Like.....how many spare parts and Starliner engineers are on the ISS that can go out physically in space walks and address physical repairs if everything cannot be rectified via software patches? I think this is why no returns have been formally announced. If software patches, alone, would have fixed the issues.....they'd be back by now. I saw an article the other day that mentioned that even though mission managers knew in advance about helium links, they assumed it would not jeopardize the safety or mission objectives. Perhaps I could get a job at NASA or Boeing as a mission manager.....im really good at "assuming" also!
That footage is from 2 years ago when the OFT-2 Starliner was being towed, and it is a plastic cover for the window, not a door, and is just taped on until the capsule gets to the VIF for stacking on Atlas.
The division of Boeing that builds airliners is different from the one that builds spacecraft. It’s puzzling and bizarre that both divisions are experiencing apparent TQM issues. I wish you would address that, and exactly what the helium is used for in the spacecraft.
@@dougsinthailand7176 This is not a division specific problem. It's a Boeing-wide problem. It's decayed into a corporation that puts shareholders' profit before quality management and safety concerns. When the top is rotten no divisions shall be spared from the fallout.
@@jimle22 That is a bit of a lie. It was back in 2022 while being take to SLC41 and it was a plastic protective cover for the window that would've been take off at the pad.
Yes ! That would accomplish the re-entry test phase without risking human life. The overall test has already been failed because the failed seals and failed thrusters failed, need re-design, and re-testing in space.
Excellent report as always. What really chaps me about this whole situation is that Boeing lobbied HARD to exclude SpaceX from commercial crew. Had they been successful, we would still be buying rides from Russia. Given the world situation, how much do you think those rides would have cost? No doubt that building spacecraft is hard work but Boeing needs to get out of its own way and stop letting the accountants run the show.
Boeing also needs to return some of that 4.3 billion they scammed the taxpayers for. SpaceX only got 2.6 billion and they've been launching successfully for years now leaving Boeing in the dust.
In this length of time a broken down car would have been ticketed and impounded. Cut the Minnow loose and let the Professor AND Mary ANN catch another ride.
+ about 6 hrs since Ellie's post: I hope you are following the NASA JSC ISS presser - reporters are pressing hard about the lack of daily info as well as the vague testing. And NASA is clearly annoyed about words like "stranded." Yet they will NOT commit to an end of testing and a return to earth for Suni and Butch.
They already stated that they were working on the thruster testing at White Sands and they wanted that under their belts as well as the data analysis, and then the full review before setting a firm date. But they clearly said in the presser how long approximately the thruster tests would take.
That was a good analysis Ellie. I think I’ve mentioned something about this before but as a sidenote, in your ending bumper appeal for subscribers and even Patreon so that you can live the life you want to live, think of your viewers. They are struggling to live the kind of lives **they** want to live. I would strongly recommend rephrasing that to say “so that I can take you to these places “or “we got to go see and do the things that you want to do, and get answers to the questions that you are asking” A good manager will take the blame themselves but always praise the people on their team first. In the same way you want to emphasize in this form of journalism that you are acting as the hands and feet and eyes and ears of your viewers, and you disappear into the background.
I agree. Don't let the message make it about yourself, let the message reflect how funding will allow your audience to experience more/better content. An audience won't want to just pay for you to have a wonderful lifestyle - they're paying for a product that they want to consume. It's outwardly subtle but actually subliminally negative to hear what you said at the end there.
She's actually a very selfish person who has low self esteem and always needs to be the center of attention. Sorry this is so harsh but I call them like I see them.
Fire that incompetent buffoon CEO, and the rest of his cronies, and MAYBE Boeing can be salvaged. The fact he’s being allowed to “step down” at the end of the year is obscene. It’s like letting a drunk driver go home on his own recognizance after he’s already wrecked the car.
I think these astronauts are going to have PTSD. Suit failures on their space walk. Having to shelter in place after Russian satellite blows up. Failed thrusters. Leaking helium. 8 years of delay. Are these guys cursed or what?
Given that the engine issues are with the service module, which is jettisoned before re-entry, and therefore can't be examined afterwards, it makes TOTAL sense to perform all due diligence to test and examine the state of the Starliner engines "at leisure" whilst the crew are at the station.
@@UncleKennysPlace Yes it was. That's what the unmanned mission that previously launched was for. However, it appears they need new metrics for testing before manned missions.
Yes.....and I believe I read somewhere that there's enough crew provisions on the space station for crew to stay six months.....so why not take that full time to assess and test the Starliner for its return home?
If you had a SpaceX engineers look at Boeing's design they are likely to conclude Boeing's design is overly complicated. A Boeing engineer told me if you were to look at all the paperwork that went into building one of their planes the amount of paperwork would fill that plane. What this leads to is no one person knows how it all works.
There are very few billion dollar projects that can fit in a single person’s head. That is why technical project managers are so important. They are supposed to be able to tell when an engineer is speaking BS. I definitely feel Boeing has lost that skillset within their teams. Which is to bad. 30 years ago they were one of the only companies that could actually manage that. Not any more. So, what you said but just from a slightly different point of view.
@ecospider5 the problem is that now the tail wags the dog: instead of technical correctness trumping all other considerations the bean counters are overruling safety requirements. That is the problem plain and simple. Wrong focus of control.
That may have been true in the past, but not now. Boeing has cut much of the process out, or has gutted it to save money in the short term. Destroying the engineering process, for a quick profit, has caused massive costs. The 787 development was estimated at $10 billion and cost $34 billion by the time they were delivering production aircraft at a loss. Then the bad cheap design led to the aircraft being grounded and deliveries stopped, more billions down the pan. The MAX crashes we caused by cheap outsourced software doing something that people who don't know aircraft didn't know was bad, more tens of billions down the pan. Boeing can't get the 777-X, 737 MAX 10, 737 MAX 7, or Starliner signed off. This is not because they are being too careful.
Nice to have someone provide a neutral report on the situation. As long as decisions are driven by the crew and engineers and not management, I have confidence in the safety of the crew. I think, however, Boeing has a while to go to get the confidence of everyone.
Did you forget the 61 original recommendations? 27 were classified as “mandatory” to resolve before the next mission, 13 were “highly recommended” to resolve before the next flight, and the other 21 were considered a lower priority. Of the additional 19 recommendations, 15 were considered mandatory and 1 highly recommended.
"We are letting the data drive our decision making...". Why is Boeing not being transparent about what the data is telling them? This points to the fact that they have some potentially serious concerns.
If my car stops running and I'm stranded on the side of the road... I'm 'delayed' and 'stranded' and 'stuck'. Use any euphemism you want..to make it sound better...but they're all three. Delayed, Stranded and Stuck.
Supposedly they'll be home the 1st of July. If NASA needs to "study the problems" with the thrusters and the helium leaks, then maybe the Demo2 crew could celebrate July 4th on the ISS.
Not 1st of July. The presser stated they would be there until about mid-July white the thruster testing at White Sands was underway and the data go over.
I think Starliner can do the job but I also think they were buying time to make sure they have as conservative of reentry plan as possible and maybe build some additional tests into it. I can't imagine what any more data analysis does for that unless they think there is a real possibility that a rescue will be needed
It's true that there should be more than one type of service vehicle, but Boeing really should be forced to pay some penalties at this stage or this rubbish is never going to end. People with a political agenda may get upset about calling it a potential rescue mission, but given Boeing's atrocious safety record over recent times I certainly wouldn't want to fly on a Starliner.
Dragon Demo-2 with Bob and Doug was only supposed to last 8 days, it ended up being 63 days. Yeah they detected some minor helium leaks, yeah they had a thruster issue that they want to do some testing on. The astronauts aren’t stranded up there. There’s a lot of well deserved Anti-Boeing sentiment out there at the moment, but this stay extension is being blown out of purportion.
Missing context in this video: SpaceX Dragon 2 took $3bln and 4 years less to develop. Yes, building spacecraft is hard, but SpaceX proved its not as hard as Boeing wants everyone to believe.
AND SpaceX did it with a reusable first stage booster! Salt on the wounds at this point. If NASA wants competition they should really pick another of the more promising private space companies (NOT Blue Origin) and forget about legacy companies. At this point, submitting a contract to Boeing for space missions is like submitting a contract for computing to IBM...
Boeing is still working out the details. It is rocket science it takes time, money, and testing. Ince they work the bugs out it will be a fine spacecraft. That being said, send an already human flight certified spacecraft up for the crew and bring the StarLiner back to Earth unmanned. The life of the trained crew is important.
It's been 8 years and it still isn't ready . SpaceX did it in half the time with less than half the budget . Boeing succeeded in another failure. The best outcome is no one dies.
That's a plastic cover on the OFT-2 capsule from 2 years ago, not the current CFT, and it was just that: a piece of plastic that was there to protect the window until it got to the VIF for stacking.
Great vid, If your car breaks down in Chace CA you are stranded and stranded in the middle of the Mojave... if your capsule breaks down at ISS I'd say you are stranded... in the middle of literately nowhere....
last 3 or 4 years boeing has gone big with DIVERSITY hires,,,, where the best applicants get passed over for popular sexes and colors.. it was bound to happen
This is my take on it .. look I see why it's a touchy subject.. though I feel that more delays each time questions the integrity of starliner and it's ability to finish the mission question the safety of the crew.. while the examine the issue. Let's take a look back as an example SpaceX retired 3 crew dragons and lost 1. In testing.. while SpaceX successful in their first test flight.. starliner had faced multiple delays since 2019 prior to 2019 like the lady asked very good question regarding the timeline for starliner why it took 5yrs yet here we are today and Boeing still can't get it right. That's the narrative here Boeing faced criticism for its flaws regarding helium leaks u would think they would have fixed it right the first time they wouldn't be in this mess the first time. Let's not forget the parachute issue they had too .. during the abort test there is a Concern for that. If they fixed that.. I hope, then why can't they fixed these other issues the first time they seen the issue. They still having this issue. U can't blame the people for their feelings on the matter if it doesn't seem like they aren't stranded, that maybe but it looks like it to us.. cause u would think they get right the first time we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.. it is crucial that we get our people back safely I agree but it's return journey could be in question upon re-entry I have a question nobody asking what if they do if all goes well start their return home trip,, what happens if the system screws up again only worse and suffer a risk of a explosion the moment the thrusters intend to overheat again and boom within the mirror hrs before they start their re-entry phase ? I'm sure they will detect it. But will they detect in time? Just like any fuel on a rocket helium is hazardous and once ignite poof? We got to look at the possibilities hear I'm not saying anything bad hear just keeping an open mind of the possibilities that's all. Butch did mention prior to docking one of the thrusters did overheat and had to shutdown the thrusters.. I think 1 keep SpaceX as a contingency place on the table to rescue the crew 2. And this is crucial for starliner I go back to the drawing board redesign the capsule and it's ability for reusability learn from this lesson use this as a data lesson.. admit to your mistake and learn from it
So, what you are saying is, they are stranded. C'mon, Ellie, cut the dramatizing of a simple fact and placing yourself in the position of chief apologist/defender of what actually boils down to a non-issue. This will all work out fine and they will come along home when it's all taken care of. Let the panic monkeys scream themselves hoarse.✌😎
Thank you again for a great informative video. Given that the main problem is the service module, and that it is designed to burn up on re-entry, it is reasonable that they want to test it and understand the root cause of the problems as much as possible before the departure from ISS. Scientists take the decisions based on data, and they want to collect as much relevant data as possible.
NASA says one of the issues involves MULTIPLE helium leaks in a system that is absolutely vital for safe return, so NASA chooses to leave Starliner at the station to LEAK MORE OUT while the "engineers" study what to do. What else has gone wrong that makes total thruster failure the lesser evil?
NASA should already have declared Starliner unsafe. If the ship was on the ground, with the known issues, there is no way they would launch. Why launch with people at risk, just because the ship is in orbit?
If you look at it over time... they've been doing a good job... Yeah, the Boing Pocketliner has been doing a good job... of overspending their budget and wasting time and money
I feel the Starliner will found to be safe enough to ride home in. Truster plumbing troubles in the service module have plagued it so bad a redesign should be considered. SpaceX does well because they are willing criticize their own work and use the lessons learned to improve the design. Making a few more capsules now and then is how you stay in the space hardware business.
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Thanks Ellie, this is the top-notch, factual and even-handed journalism that we've all come to expect of you.
Such stupid oversight issues that sound like nobody got a work order. What else is going on that the workers let it go, knowing they did nothing wrong waiting for a work order? Beurocracy. The CEO is an accountant. Also, the whistle blowers and safety issues. Disgruntled workers feeling handcuffed to the point of letting something go. Blame to no work order and inspectors.
I reckon the space station will be retired before star liner demonstrates a clean round trip which i think is needed before certification
Sad but possibly true.
Maybe they'll leave Starliner docked till then? Then it can also burn up when they deorbit the ISS.
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@@tonybrock5288 yes that was my thinking also
let's hope those 2 stranded will not go down with the ISS
Better 'Stuckliner' than 'Flatliner'!
Or Fireball liner if more thrusters fail
How about Russian Roulette liner?
It the Boeing way now! Delay after delay and delay! Doing a good job? $4.2 billion!😂
"Pocket liner"
StarLeaker!
What's really scandalous is that Starliner was allowed to fly at all, with two astronauts on board. It's not ready.
As it's partially reusable then it's partially ready😂
I know a little more than the public about Boeing. I was job hunting and found programing positions in their business software division on their site back before they killed 2 planefuls of people on the Max 8s. This led me to employee blogs where I found multiple complaints from programmers and project leaders about managements policy of only caring about deadlines not quality. They said that many had left in disgust. I am thinking NASA is finally deciding they cannot trust this deceitful company. Maybe, you could search for those blogs and find someone to interview.
I think Starliner will bring them home. I certainly hope they are safe. If anything happens on the way back, Boeing is done.
Yea, Boeing will try to bring them home. They will probably be succsessful, I hope. If they have to call on SpaceX for a rescue mission NAS and Boeing will lose so much face they will have to leave the spacecraft manufacturing business to commercial contractors.
Idk why Boeing failing is NASA’s fault. Why would it be embarrassing for NASA when Boeing and Bigelow Aerospace built Starliner. This would be like blaming NASA every time a space X rockets explodes.
Well, there's bringing them home... planets are kind of big and hard to miss. Then there's getting them back alive... which will depend at least some on the thrusters. And bringing them back on target, which will require more active use of the thrusters to steer the vehicle.
its 100% better if spacex sends dragon up to take them home, then the possibility the starliner doesn't bring the crew home. space is dangerous and there is no place for pride when it comes to human lives.
Agreed, 2 lives dont need to be needlessly risked for Boeing's pride, they're years behind the target and way over budget@@theodorebedard6429
Oh and BTW, great reporting Ellie.
I do believe nasa is trying to save face with starliner. In my opinion, they should give SS dream chaser the money to develop the crew version and drop boing. It may take a little longer to develop crew dream chaser but it will be better in the long run
Would not in the least bit be surprised if Sierra Space has a Crew Emergency Return interior ready to bolt in to the Cargo version they're due to test fly soon, or can send the tools and instructions up, to pull the seats from Starliner and fit to Dream Chaser. The only issue to get past first, is Dream Chaser hasn't passed it first flight test yet either, but is on schedule to do so. Fast tracking the paperwork side of that should be a NASA priority, so the tests can be focused on.
Great Comment ! The Dream Chaser is not a Nazi program ! The Dream Chaser is a program of Sierra Space and once the seven contracted Cargo missions are completed the Cargo Dream Chaser will be FREE to UP-Grade to the Crew Dream Chaser ! tjl
@@Wi2Low There is plenty of justification for securing supply by ensuring there is more than one option. No matter how safe falcon 9 or dragon is if there is ever an accident involving either system they will have to ground it until the issue has been identified and resolved. There is also a financial risk in sticking with a single supplier as nothing is stopping SpaceX from raising prices to their liking as long as they have a monopoly.
Exactly. Having all your eggs in one basket is too risky. Even if that basket is a really good basket.
@@Wi2Low Redundancy was the whole point. If there is ever an issue with Dragon, or they're grounded, there is no other vehicle available outside of Russia to get crews and cargo too and from the ISS.
The EU, Japan and India could develop their own, in a dire emergency China could even offer a rescue with their Soyuz based hardware.
But until anyone else builds something compatible, or Dream Chaser gets crew-rated, Redundancy is Required.
I hope Butch remembered his shaver, hes going to look like a caveman after being stuck up there for so long
Didn’t you know hair doesn’t grow in zero gravity.
@@ecospider5 I don't think I trust that study
@@ecospider5 hair grows in zero gravity, just not the same way as on earth.
I'd be more concerned with bodily fluids......if you know what I mean....🤔😂😎🇦🇺👌
"Strandliner". Oh my!
Excellent, factual report.
If it's Boeing, I ain't Going.
You forgot to add the word "anywhere" to the end of that.
It's made in China that's why
@@Jim-nt7xy WTF drugs did you take before typing that reply???
@@tonywilson4713 my bad bro, wrong addressee.
@@Jim-nt7xy Fair enuf
It’s good that you pointed out that the astronauts are not in any danger. NASA should let the astronauts stay on the ISS and send the Starliner back to Earth without the crew. I have a bad feeling about this situation. It has the ingredients for disaster because there is the potential for politics to influence a technical decision. Boeing and NASA would look bad if they send Starliner back to Earth without a crew. Is there any way to find out if NASA is preparing a contingency plan, such as moving up the next crew Dragon mission?
Great factional reporting thank you ellie
Factual
I think that Starliner will be able to retuen with the crew. but before it is to late i would say that a Dragon captule shuld be on standby in case it is needed.
I was thinking about that. It should actually be way easier to get them a dragon capsule than a normal crewed mission. Usually with a crewed mission they have to get a block 5 booster available for launch. But there won’t be any humans in the dragon capsule on the way up. So they can use any booster. Which they have plenty of.
It’s kind of like when the military told SpaceX they wanted to change the launch site for one of their missions. The military expected huge delays. But my understanding SpaceX had a rocket ready at the new location ready before the military got the payload to the new location.
If I had to guess SpaceX could get them a dragon capsule with just a week’s notice. But that’s just a random guess. But guessing can make me look really smart if I end up being right. 😁🧐🤣😂
@@ecospider5 It would take at least a couple of months to get a dragon ready. The life support systems and communication systems are not the same on the two crafts. They would have to build adapters or build SpaceX suits for the two crew members. There is only one Dragon capsule anywhere near to being ready to fly again. It is scheduled for Sept or Oct to the ISS. The other three are either on station, just returned from station, or has a window where the docking adapter would be.
@@ecospider5 ALL active Falcon 9 boosters are Block 5. There are no earlier ones still active - they were retired or expended ages ago.
This has to be very difficult for the families of the astronauts .
Thanks for the update
NASA should never have flown the Buggy Starliner in the first place. Any craft that can't run withing the envelopes of its own specs should be sent back to the lab and refined until it works as specified.
Having to send Sunni & Butch home in a Dragon capsule would be another huge humiliation for Boeing. This is far better than losing them and the capsule if a safe re-entry cannot be affected though
Well, I think that the excuse of Boeing and NASA will be like....
Sorry, after that, our space suits run out of oxygen. (Problems with discomfort and Water)
Therefore, We cannot realize the external safety tests for undocking.
And we must call the dragon for help. Nice, face-saver.
I don't think it's possible for them to return in the spaceX capsule, since they don't have compatible pressure suits. If I'm wrong about this, please correct me. I think it will be okay to return in the Boeing capsule, assuming there is enough system redundancy remaining.
Concise and professional. Thanks Ellie. Brave also because you could face a lot of blowback. Keep up the good work!
Thank you Ellie for strait- cool & best reporting. I warched Sunita Williams years ago on the ISS via NASA TV. I'm happy she got to go again. People in India see her as the astronaut from India but of course she is a US Test Pilot. You are the best reporter for Space & Tesla Tech development & congrats for the 100 K plack. 🎉
Keep up the even handed reporting!
Cheers from Alaska
I think the bigger issues are, "How is Space X doing what they are doing?" They have only been in the game for what 15 to 20 years? NASA, Lockheed, and Boeing have been at this game for over 50 years! Why are they making such stupid mistakes and taking so much money! Space X has something like close to 100% success rate with Falcon rocket and reusability. Something is very wrong at NASA and the legacy aerospace industry.
When a 1 week stay becomes a 1 month stay.. That smacks of desperation from Boeing.
They either don’t know what’s wrong. Or know - and it’s potentially catastrophic. Either way it would not be safe to return with humans.
Hey Ellie, I just heard that SpaceX is replacing the tiles on a starship. I just thought how I’d love to purchase one of those tiles that they took off the starship. I wonder if SpaceX is just gonna get rid of all the tiles they remove and how maybe you could sell them!
0:34 Looks like a window pops out! Good one Booing.
That footage is from 2 years ago when the OFT-2 Starliner was being towed, and it is a plastic cover for the window, not a door, and is just taped on until the capsule gets to the VIF for stacking on Atlas.
at this rate that capsule will reach the end of it's planned life before starting it's contracted mission
If they are not 1000%, sure all systems are functional. No Go. Boeing should not risk the lives of the two astronauts! Boeings track record is already horrendous!
Starliner will return just fine. As you stated, the delay was to investigate the thruster problem. This is a huge issue; the RCS thrusters failed on the uncrewed docking, too. My guess is the capsule will have 15-24 months of re-engineering and repair before it flies again. Sierra Nevada's Dreamchaser is on a path to usurp Starliner if this fall's test is as successful as most of us believe it will be. Yes, it is the cargo version, but verifying it also complete much of the verification of the crewed version. Just as SpaceX learned from Cargo Dragon, SN will benefit from Cargo Dreamchaser. Within a few years, the Boeing price point will drive them from the market. They can't compete with SpaceX and SN on price.
Maybe . If nasa was as confident as you the astronauts would be home by now .
Hey Miss Ellie, can you do a space report that closely compares the flight controls of the Boeing Strand-Liner and the SpaceX Falcon? Suggest you start simple by asking if there are any controls (toggle or electrical turn contact switches on the flight control panels that generate sparks when a switch opens or closes it's electrical contacts? (much lika s aparkplug). Not sure but with Falcons touch screen, they likely engineered to use modern solid-state switches like SCRs, FETs and the like that reduce likelyhood of arc-ignition of leaked volatile oxygen, or propellant gasses that might leak behind capsule control panels from micrometeorite strike or assembly quality control failure oversight. Ask Mr. Joe T if he knows about arcing switches or what sadly happened to the Apollo 1 astronauts, that NASA seems to be forgetting about...Peace out for now.
Yup, they stuck. Just because the entire Boeing PR section jumps up and down on the head of anyone speaking this truth, it doesn't mean it's not true. They are stuck just like people bumped off a flight who are stuck waiting in an airport.
I feel like I’m watching a Mel Brooks comedy.
I heard the reason that they are delay to come home is because they couldn’t release their capsule from the space station, furthermore, it has something to do with Boeing ask India to produce this capsule which India reduce cost and use aluminium instead of Titanium at the connecting valves! So it is true?
Oh, what a shame, dear Ellie. You didn't activate the subtitles setting in other languages. You must have forgotten. I don't understand or speak English, so I watch videos from channels that have this setting activated. This is the only platform that offers this feature. I don't understand why, because in Russia all the news programs have subtitles in all languages. I've been watching your videos that had this setting activated, you know, dear? But it's okay. I'll come back another time when I have this setting activated, because I love your articles. Thank you, dear. Great work, and have a great weekend. ❤️💝💖👏👏🌹🍀🌿🚀
Вы использовали программу-переводчик, чтобы написать это? Это очень хороший английский.
Manfred Mann made a song about this:
Better get the Breakdown squad out
Get me rolling on
'Cause I can't keep my thoughts out of sight
Better get the Breakdown squad out
Get me rolling on
'Cause I need to feel the stars sleep by at night
I'm stranded all night, stranded all right.
Mayday, This is Echo Hotel
Mayday, This is Echo Hotel
Mayday, This is Echo Hotel
Hotel Echo, This is Mike November
I can hear your call
Mayday, This is Echo Hotel
Hotel Echo, This is Charlie Delta
I can feel the fear ...
Expect a dragon to be sent up to bring them back. Let the Boeing to be used to transport the junk back on. An auto reentry on the Boeing back will probably be the safest option. If it fails and the crew are lost the scandal will finish Boeing in the space industry
Touristnauts should be reviewed as they are jeopardising the ISS safety.
At 0:32, Starliner is being towed down a public road and an escape hatch blows off. No one stops. Did Ellie choose this clip intentionally to visually depict Starliner failures? We can't be sure of Schrodinger's astronauts until they land safely and give a press interview.
They did stop, at the very end of the clip. It takes a bit to stop that transporter, can't just slam on the brakes.
That footage is from 2 years ago when the OFT-2 Starliner was being towed, and it is a plastic cover for the window, not a door, and is just taped on until the capsule gets to the VIF for stacking on Atlas.
Titanium valves replace by Endia aluminum valves.
At 0:33 the door actually flew off.
That footage is from 2 years ago when the OFT-2 Starliner was being towed, and it is a plastic cover for the window, not a door, and is just taped on until the capsule gets to the VIF for stacking on Atlas.
@ 0:32 Red Flag.........
That footage was taken over 2 years ago fo the OFT-2 rollout, and it's just a taped on plastic cover to protect the window during transport to the pad. They'd have taken it off at the pad after stacking on Atlas.
Even the launches in the 70s were more reliable!
one thing we can surmise from past revelations, whatever they're telling us about the situation it's probably much worse
Boeing & US is willing to sacrifice the lifes of the astronauts than to ask Space X or even China to help to bring them home safely. I sincely hope the leaders put their pride aside for the safety of everyone onboard the station.
Boeing is toast since they replaced all their managers with non-technical personnel five years ago. Why is Space X considered a single space launcher? They will soon have three kinds of reuseable rockets and numerous crew capsules. I suspect Dream Chases will be a better option.
0:34 - a cover fell off while it was driving down the road? Doesn't anybody at Boeing check these things before they roll out of the factory? :^)
That footage is from 2 years ago when the OFT-2 Starliner was being towed, and it is a plastic cover for the window, not a door, and is just taped on until the capsule gets to the VIF for stacking on Atlas.
did the door fall off at 00.33 seconds of video... Boeing really bad...
Did anyone see that door or some sort of panel come flying off Strandliner at the 0:33 mark of the video?
That footage is from 2 years ago when the OFT-2 Starliner was being towed, and it is a plastic cover for the window, not a door, and is just taped on until the capsule gets to the VIF for stacking on Atlas.
Just want to remind all space fan, that Space X, Boeing and Blue Origin, as private companies are still not able to do what Boeing/North American/Douglas and Grumman under NASA control, did in the ‘60. The current American space program is in jeopardy, because economic interests and likely some corruption are causing failures.
@morsing is correct SOMETHING DID FALL OFF AT 00:34 seconds see comment below.
That footage is from 2 years ago when the OFT-2 Starliner was being towed, and it is a plastic cover for the window, not a door, and is just taped on until the capsule gets to the VIF for stacking on Atlas.
@@Nowhereman10 o keep your panties on... ALL that was said is that SOMETHING did fall of
nowadays Boeing is SO LUCKY to be a government supported/subsidized company, as a private one would be bankrupted by now.
AMERICS use subsidy so much against china, is ok for US, not for china, boeing get a lot of money from US grovement,
Boeing is money laundering for nasa executives. That's why they get double the money than SpaceX gets.
I would NOT want to come home in that thing, it has way too many issues, and they never should have gone up in it.
They are test pilots. They have a ton of experience with partially working vehicles. Those two are experts at judging risk so don’t expect things to be perfect.
It will be interesting to see the final report in a year. If they decide they can fly this ship home or if they get a space Uber.
I definitely agree I also wouldn't have gone up on it to begin with.
You're speaking as a qualified spacecraft engineer, I assume?
@PDZ1122 No. You do not need to be a space engineer to see wtf is going on. When a manned mission is ongoing, there shouldn't be any helium leaks and thruster problem , where 4 or 5 thrusters stopped working for a moment, I much lower orbit happened because of that.
In test flights it can happen. But you do not have a test space flight with humans. This is to many errors for a company that always lying and making up things when windows falls off boeing airplanes.
Boeing is a company with 1 goal. Make money and more money. Space x actually cares about safety and Elon musk have a dream about Mars with his entire team.boeing does not.
After noticing poor quality issues with their aircraft I can agree with you.
Windows and or doors exploding off the ship while being towed before launch, is not a major concern at this time.
Yep.....as Boeing says "All of this is going according to plan and we think everything is going well!"
As they try to assure everyone that this plan is giving them plenty of time to assess the leaks and fixes. Like.....how many spare parts and Starliner engineers are on the ISS that can go out physically in space walks and address physical repairs if everything cannot be rectified via software patches? I think this is why no returns have been formally announced. If software patches, alone, would have fixed the issues.....they'd be back by now.
I saw an article the other day that mentioned that even though mission managers knew in advance about helium links, they assumed it would not jeopardize the safety or mission objectives. Perhaps I could get a job at NASA or Boeing as a mission manager.....im really good at "assuming" also!
I am begining to think Boeing thinks these persons are whistleblowers...
That footage is from 2 years ago when the OFT-2 Starliner was being towed, and it is a plastic cover for the window, not a door, and is just taped on until the capsule gets to the VIF for stacking on Atlas.
First bring back the two astronauts by using another rescue vehicle. Let the starliner return to earth unmanned.
The division of Boeing that builds airliners is different from the one that builds spacecraft. It’s puzzling and bizarre that both divisions are experiencing apparent TQM issues. I wish you would address that, and exactly what the helium is used for in the spacecraft.
Much more sensible!
Much more sensible choice!
@@dougsinthailand7176helium is used to pressurize the Thruster fuel system.
@@dougsinthailand7176 This is not a division specific problem. It's a Boeing-wide problem. It's decayed into a corporation that puts shareholders' profit before quality management and safety concerns. When the top is rotten no divisions shall be spared from the fallout.
At least the door didn't fall off.
Yes it did! 0:32
You meant it "didn't fall off" AGAIN!
@@SteichenFamily Wait WTF!?! That happened, just driving it along the road? I never heard about that...
Front :)
@@SteichenFamily And NOBODY in the motorcade noticed, so they all just kept going like normal. Perhaps to Boeing workers, it was!
0:30 Boeing also is known for having problems keeping their doors closed.
@0.34 if you go back and look, something did fall off the window while being towed to the hanger.
@@jimle22 That is a bit of a lie. It was back in 2022 while being take to SLC41 and it was a plastic protective cover for the window that would've been take off at the pad.
Don't worry that isn't part of the "partially reusable" section
Let's just call it an "open door policy"!
Might be wise to return the people with SpaceX and have the Starliner return autonomously.
Yes ! That would accomplish the re-entry test phase without risking human life. The overall test has already been failed because the failed seals and failed thrusters failed, need re-design, and re-testing in space.
Remember that time a Dragon capsule was stuck and couldn't safely leave and a second capsule had to be sent?
Me neither.
Excellent report as always. What really chaps me about this whole situation is that Boeing lobbied HARD to exclude SpaceX from commercial crew. Had they been successful, we would still be buying rides from Russia. Given the world situation, how much do you think those rides would have cost? No doubt that building spacecraft is hard work but Boeing needs to get out of its own way and stop letting the accountants run the show.
Boeing also needs to return some of that 4.3 billion they scammed the taxpayers for. SpaceX only got 2.6 billion and they've been launching successfully for years now leaving Boeing in the dust.
And SpaceX built their repeatedly successful crew craft on a much smaller budget than Boeing did!
It was probably costing a lot less and safer using Russian rockets
They have been up there so long that NASA are considering charging them rent.
@@Wi2Low It's astronomical
Why? For their own astronauts? I can't even believe Ellie liked this. This was all part of the planning for possible mission extension.
@@Starshipsforever Better watch out Ellie, I think you just made agent 747 mad.
In this length of time a broken down car would have been ticketed and impounded. Cut the Minnow loose and let the Professor AND Mary ANN catch another ride.
Boeing is broken and Starliner is yet another example of this!
+ about 6 hrs since Ellie's post: I hope you are following the NASA JSC ISS presser - reporters are pressing hard about the lack of daily info as well as the vague testing. And NASA is clearly annoyed about words like "stranded." Yet they will NOT commit to an end of testing and a return to earth for Suni and Butch.
They already stated that they were working on the thruster testing at White Sands and they wanted that under their belts as well as the data analysis, and then the full review before setting a firm date. But they clearly said in the presser how long approximately the thruster tests would take.
That was a good analysis Ellie.
I think I’ve mentioned something about this before but as a sidenote, in your ending bumper appeal for subscribers and even Patreon so that you can live the life you want to live, think of your viewers. They are struggling to live the kind of lives **they** want to live.
I would strongly recommend rephrasing that to say “so that I can take you to these places “or “we got to go see and do the things that you want to do, and get answers to the questions that you are asking”
A good manager will take the blame themselves but always praise the people on their team first.
In the same way you want to emphasize in this form of journalism that you are acting as the hands and feet and eyes and ears of your viewers, and you disappear into the background.
I agree. Don't let the message make it about yourself, let the message reflect how funding will allow your audience to experience more/better content. An audience won't want to just pay for you to have a wonderful lifestyle - they're paying for a product that they want to consume. It's outwardly subtle but actually subliminally negative to hear what you said at the end there.
She's actually a very selfish person who has low self esteem and always needs to be the center of attention. Sorry this is so harsh but I call them like I see them.
OMG! Did you see the door blow off the capsule while it’s being taken up the road????? Hilarious!
Fire that incompetent buffoon CEO, and the rest of his cronies, and MAYBE Boeing can be salvaged. The fact he’s being allowed to “step down” at the end of the year is obscene. It’s like letting a drunk driver go home on his own recognizance after he’s already wrecked the car.
While carrying a performance bonus six pack on the passenger seat.
I think these astronauts are going to have PTSD. Suit failures on their space walk. Having to shelter in place after Russian satellite blows up. Failed thrusters. Leaking helium. 8 years of delay. Are these guys cursed or what?
At any moment, Q is likely to show up and give them some random challenge!
Not cursed. They are efups. An accountant for CEO? The problems are on top. No brains (engineers) in management.
Given that the engine issues are with the service module, which is jettisoned before re-entry, and therefore can't be examined afterwards, it makes TOTAL sense to perform all due diligence to test and examine the state of the Starliner engines "at leisure" whilst the crew are at the station.
Logical. Almost as much as making sure it worked before launching it.
@@PiDsPagePrototypes It was tested and did work prior to launch. But it wasn't tested in the harsh conditions of orbit.
@@UncleKennysPlace Yes it was. That's what the unmanned mission that previously launched was for. However, it appears they need new metrics for testing before manned missions.
@@UncleKennysPlace Did they never put it in NASA's giant Vacuum chamber???
Yes.....and I believe I read somewhere that there's enough crew provisions on the space station for crew to stay six months.....so why not take that full time to assess and test the Starliner for its return home?
If you had a SpaceX engineers look at Boeing's design they are likely to conclude Boeing's design is overly complicated. A Boeing engineer told me if you were to look at all the paperwork that went into building one of their planes the amount of paperwork would fill that plane. What this leads to is no one person knows how it all works.
There are very few billion dollar projects that can fit in a single person’s head. That is why technical project managers are so important. They are supposed to be able to tell when an engineer is speaking BS. I definitely feel Boeing has lost that skillset within their teams. Which is to bad. 30 years ago they were one of the only companies that could actually manage that. Not any more.
So, what you said but just from a slightly different point of view.
@ecospider5 the problem is that now the tail wags the dog: instead of technical correctness trumping all other considerations the bean counters are overruling safety requirements. That is the problem plain and simple. Wrong focus of control.
@@ecospider5 all the technical managers care about is covering their ass long enough to make it to retirement.
@@ecospider5 When you move your upper management and executives more than 1,000 miles away, the mice will play.
That may have been true in the past, but not now. Boeing has cut much of the process out, or has gutted it to save money in the short term. Destroying the engineering process, for a quick profit, has caused massive costs. The 787 development was estimated at $10 billion and cost $34 billion by the time they were delivering production aircraft at a loss. Then the bad cheap design led to the aircraft being grounded and deliveries stopped, more billions down the pan. The MAX crashes we caused by cheap outsourced software doing something that people who don't know aircraft didn't know was bad, more tens of billions down the pan. Boeing can't get the 777-X, 737 MAX 10, 737 MAX 7, or Starliner signed off. This is not because they are being too careful.
Nice to have someone provide a neutral report on the situation. As long as decisions are driven by the crew and engineers and not management, I have confidence in the safety of the crew. I think, however, Boeing has a while to go to get the confidence of everyone.
If it's a Boeing, I ain't going!
Did you forget the 61 original recommendations? 27 were classified as “mandatory” to resolve before the next mission, 13 were “highly recommended” to resolve before the next flight, and the other 21 were considered a lower priority. Of the additional 19 recommendations, 15 were considered mandatory and 1 highly recommended.
"We are letting the data drive our decision making...". Why is Boeing not being transparent about what the data is telling them? This points to the fact that they have some potentially serious concerns.
"We are letting the data drive our decision making..." is doublespeak for "if this thing crashes you can't point fingers at any one."
They must be panic now.I really pray for them.
Boeing even cut corners on their space program. Good thing the Astronauts are not whisleblowers, but they sure are being treated like one 😂😂
If my car stops running and I'm stranded on the side of the road...
I'm 'delayed' and 'stranded' and 'stuck'.
Use any euphemism you want..to make it sound better...but they're all three.
Delayed, Stranded and Stuck.
Supposedly they'll be home the 1st of July. If NASA needs to "study the problems" with the thrusters and the helium leaks, then maybe the Demo2 crew could celebrate July 4th on the ISS.
Not 1st of July. The presser stated they would be there until about mid-July white the thruster testing at White Sands was underway and the data go over.
0:32 I didn't even see that at the time. Lucky I'd finished my drink as I'd have done a spit-take otherwise.
Wow, I missed that on the first watch. Thanks for the timestamp.
Wholly FAQ.
I’ll come back home on dragon thank you. I would even come home on starship I trust that more then anything Boeing !
Starship Wingflaps, even when we're dying in hypersonic airflow, we still deliver to destination.....
@@PiDsPagePrototypes The little wing that could!
Stick in the fork, Boeing is done!
PLOT : they want the two astronauts to surpass the regular 6 month shift.
I think Starliner can do the job but I also think they were buying time to make sure they have as conservative of reentry plan as possible and maybe build some additional tests into it. I can't imagine what any more data analysis does for that unless they think there is a real possibility that a rescue will be needed
It's true that there should be more than one type of service vehicle, but Boeing really should be forced to pay some penalties at this stage or this rubbish is never going to end.
People with a political agenda may get upset about calling it a potential rescue mission, but given Boeing's atrocious safety record over recent times I certainly wouldn't want to fly on a Starliner.
Dragon Demo-2 with Bob and Doug was only supposed to last 8 days, it ended up being 63 days. Yeah they detected some minor helium leaks, yeah they had a thruster issue that they want to do some testing on. The astronauts aren’t stranded up there.
There’s a lot of well deserved Anti-Boeing sentiment out there at the moment, but this stay extension is being blown out of purportion.
Look at second 31 of this video. The Boeing Starliners door falls off.
Missing context in this video: SpaceX Dragon 2 took $3bln and 4 years less to develop. Yes, building spacecraft is hard, but SpaceX proved its not as hard as Boeing wants everyone to believe.
AND SpaceX did it with a reusable first stage booster! Salt on the wounds at this point. If NASA wants competition they should really pick another of the more promising private space companies (NOT Blue Origin) and forget about legacy companies. At this point, submitting a contract to Boeing for space missions is like submitting a contract for computing to IBM...
Spacex was not required to be involved in billions of dollars of grifting and money laundering.
Boeing is still working out the details. It is rocket science it takes time, money, and testing. Ince they work the bugs out it will be a fine spacecraft.
That being said, send an already human flight certified spacecraft up for the crew and bring the StarLiner back to Earth unmanned. The life of the trained crew is important.
It's been 8 years and it still isn't ready . SpaceX did it in half the time with less than half the budget . Boeing succeeded in another failure. The best outcome is no one dies.
@@MR-xc3sw you are correct.
My jaw is still on the floor @0:32 😦
That's a plastic cover on the OFT-2 capsule from 2 years ago, not the current CFT, and it was just that: a piece of plastic that was there to protect the window until it got to the VIF for stacking.
I can see the astronauts thinking about the issues, with one of them saying: "I knew we should have upgraded to business class".
Govt ticket .. no business class allowed 😂
Great vid, If your car breaks down in Chace CA you are stranded and stranded in the middle of the Mojave... if your capsule breaks down at ISS I'd say you are stranded... in the middle of literately nowhere....
last 3 or 4 years boeing has gone big with DIVERSITY hires,,,, where the best applicants get passed over for popular sexes and colors.. it was bound to happen
Thankyou Ellie
This is my take on it .. look I see why it's a touchy subject.. though I feel that more delays each time questions the integrity of starliner and it's ability to finish the mission question the safety of the crew.. while the examine the issue. Let's take a look back as an example SpaceX retired 3 crew dragons and lost 1. In testing.. while SpaceX successful in their first test flight.. starliner had faced multiple delays since 2019 prior to 2019 like the lady asked very good question regarding the timeline for starliner why it took 5yrs yet here we are today and Boeing still can't get it right. That's the narrative here Boeing faced criticism for its flaws regarding helium leaks u would think they would have fixed it right the first time they wouldn't be in this mess the first time. Let's not forget the parachute issue they had too .. during the abort test there is a Concern for that. If they fixed that.. I hope, then why can't they fixed these other issues the first time they seen the issue. They still having this issue. U can't blame the people for their feelings on the matter if it doesn't seem like they aren't stranded, that maybe but it looks like it to us.. cause u would think they get right the first time we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.. it is crucial that we get our people back safely I agree but it's return journey could be in question upon re-entry I have a question nobody asking what if they do if all goes well start their return home trip,, what happens if the system screws up again only worse and suffer a risk of a explosion the moment the thrusters intend to overheat again and boom within the mirror hrs before they start their re-entry phase ? I'm sure they will detect it. But will they detect in time? Just like any fuel on a rocket helium is hazardous and once ignite poof? We got to look at the possibilities hear I'm not saying anything bad hear just keeping an open mind of the possibilities that's all. Butch did mention prior to docking one of the thrusters did overheat and had to shutdown the thrusters.. I think 1 keep SpaceX as a contingency place on the table to rescue the crew 2. And this is crucial for starliner I go back to the drawing board redesign the capsule and it's ability for reusability learn from this lesson use this as a data lesson.. admit to your mistake and learn from it
I think you are confusing helium and hydrogen, helium is NOT flammable and will not ignite.
So, what you are saying is, they are stranded. C'mon, Ellie, cut the dramatizing of a simple fact and placing yourself in the position of chief apologist/defender of what actually boils down to a non-issue. This will all work out fine and they will come along home when it's all taken care of. Let the panic monkeys scream themselves hoarse.✌😎
Thank you again for a great informative video. Given that the main problem is the service module, and that it is designed to burn up on re-entry, it is reasonable that they want to test it and understand the root cause of the problems as much as possible before the departure from ISS. Scientists take the decisions based on data, and they want to collect as much relevant data as possible.
NASA says one of the issues involves MULTIPLE helium leaks in a system that is absolutely vital for safe return, so NASA chooses to leave Starliner at the station to LEAK MORE OUT while the "engineers" study what to do. What else has gone wrong that makes total thruster failure the lesser evil?
The Tax payer-supported REDUNDANT Boondoggle is heavily defective ....that's all there is to it.
NASA should already have declared Starliner unsafe. If the ship was on the ground, with the known issues, there is no way they would launch. Why launch with people at risk, just because the ship is in orbit?
Theyvwould have but the financial kickbacks from Boeing are hard to let go off.
That's journalism right there! Good job!
If you look at it over time... they've been doing a good job...
Yeah, the Boing Pocketliner has been doing a good job... of overspending their budget and wasting time and money
I feel the Starliner will found to be safe enough to ride home in. Truster plumbing troubles in the service module have plagued it so bad a redesign should be considered. SpaceX does well because they are willing criticize their own work and use the lessons learned to improve the design. Making a few more capsules now and then is how you stay in the space hardware business.