Catelynn & Tyler Talk to Nova About Carly’s Birthday | Teen Mom OG

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  • @bbrriiaannaa
    @bbrriiaannaa 3 года назад +985

    I love how open and honest they are with Nova. You can tell it helps her developmentally, she asks questions most kids her age don’t think about. Her thought process is just amazing for her age.

    • @Mydear___
      @Mydear___ 3 года назад +6

      💯

    • @watchinvidzwatchinvidz7691
      @watchinvidzwatchinvidz7691 3 года назад +28

      She is so smart & sweet. I hope when Carly is 18 they can get to do all the sister stuff they missed out on.

    • @Quyllur1
      @Quyllur1 3 года назад +6

      I agree. She’s very well spoken. 💕

    • @jarricah7920
      @jarricah7920 3 года назад +1

      No most kids her age are just as inquisitive

    • @trevie7589
      @trevie7589 Год назад

      ​@@watchinvidzwatchinvidz7691 Carly more than likely isn't going to see her as a "sister". Just because they're related doesn't mean they're family. Her family raised her.

  • @stephanies2005
    @stephanies2005 3 года назад +990

    I don’t tend to get emotional over reality shows, but it’s so incredible to have been able to witness this family’s journey over the last 12 years, and know how beautiful of a moment this really is.

    • @brittanycarriere9423
      @brittanycarriere9423 3 года назад +15

      Couldn't agree more 👏

    • @amandadavis5687
      @amandadavis5687 3 года назад +20

      SAME i watched Carly and nova be born on tv so this almost made cry

    • @jillhogan9639
      @jillhogan9639 3 года назад +8

      Totally agree!

    • @mdsigel1
      @mdsigel1 3 года назад +5

      100000%

    • @mommakat7361
      @mommakat7361 3 года назад +6

      Thank you for taking the words out of my mouth. I cried 😂😭

  • @hollyleafty
    @hollyleafty 3 года назад +629

    It’s not surprising how mature she is. Cate and Ty are so good with her and talk to her like she’s part of the conversation rather than babying her. Such a wholesome moment!

    • @terrinew9474
      @terrinew9474 3 года назад +7

      Agree, they don't brush it off and tell her to go play they explain.

    • @hollyleafty
      @hollyleafty 3 года назад +1

      @@terrinew9474 it’s so refreshing to see that!

  • @lianasoares8052
    @lianasoares8052 3 года назад +741

    Novalee’s thought process is incredible for someone born in 2015. I could tell Catelynn was getting a teeny tiny bit emotional. I respect the hell out of Catelynn & Tyler admitting they didn’t make smart decisions by getting pregnant as teens. I like how Novalee’s understanding.

    • @JessDiann
      @JessDiann 3 года назад +19

      That got me. You could see her choking up. It Has to be emotional to know that your daughters aren’t growing up together. But they made a decision that was right for them at the time.

    • @lianasoares8052
      @lianasoares8052 3 года назад +1

      @@JessDiann, I agree.

    • @greenbanana1001
      @greenbanana1001 3 года назад +1

      My daughter is the same and she was born in 2015

    • @jenniferwilliams5478
      @jenniferwilliams5478 2 года назад +1

      So nova is 7

  • @desiree568
    @desiree568 3 года назад +602

    When she asked "where you proud of my mom?" Oh my heart!!!!! I can see Cates pain....

    • @terrinew9474
      @terrinew9474 3 года назад +26

      I know I teared up a little. They are great parents.

    • @cristina5517
      @cristina5517 3 года назад +4

      I saw her pain

    • @rayecaters2u
      @rayecaters2u 3 года назад +6

      Both of their pain. Let's not forget the dads pain also.

    • @audraalicea4371
      @audraalicea4371 3 года назад

      same!!!!

    • @desiree568
      @desiree568 3 года назад +2

      @@rayecaters2u no shit but the question was if Tyler was proud of CATE.

  • @keremc1
    @keremc1 3 года назад +279

    I can see the pain in Caitlyns face. This is a woman living with regret. I know she is praying for Carley to reach 18 and reach out on her own. I pray God gives her another chance with her daughter.

    • @anicholeg2668
      @anicholeg2668 3 года назад +24

      Definitely a pain she’ll always hold close, I sure do feel for them both I can’t even imagine! I hope she does reach out at 18 and they get to start their own special relationship.

    • @rmarie6764
      @rmarie6764 3 года назад +9

      I feel like as kids attempting this on their own, because I know they faced a lot of push back from the "adults" in their lives, they did the best the could with the situation they were in. But I know B&T are probably pushing the semi open part to being dang near closed. They should have had better guidance on that end of things. They've done amazing for themselves and I'm so happy for them.

    • @keremc1
      @keremc1 3 года назад +15

      @@rmarie6764 yes. Brandon and Teresa has been unreasonable to me. I saw an episode whixh suggests to me that they didn't fully understand the repercussions of what they were signing. I pray for her sake her daughter is interested in bonding with them as she grows.

    • @rainstorm571
      @rainstorm571 3 года назад +13

      @@keremc1 I mean regardless if they are unreasonable, the adoption was never a mistake and it’s difficult for the parents to have the bio parents so heavily involved especially when the bio parents are on a reality tv show

    • @jilliansherrard2152
      @jilliansherrard2152 2 года назад +10

      If I adopted Carly and she had three full siblings...I could never keep her from her bio family

  • @sroberts119
    @sroberts119 3 года назад +227

    Ok. This has got to be one of the most beautiful convos I’ve ever seen.

  • @melanie.vallejo
    @melanie.vallejo 3 года назад +208

    you can tell Cate got emotional by her facial expressions when Nova started getting more into depth about adoption. Cate and Ty are doing an amazing job with their kids. I pray for healing on Cate because you can tell she still regrets letting go of Carly

    • @justanotherhuman8592
      @justanotherhuman8592 3 года назад +8

      I sensed a bit of a dig at tye when she said she was ready to have children young. But it was a lovely moment. They're very good wth their communication and that's so important. ❤️

    • @mandeeg4259
      @mandeeg4259 3 года назад +10

      It's heartbreaking to see 💔 I really believe if they'd known the show was going to continue and they were going to be financially stable they wouldn't have let her go!

  • @stasiababy1023
    @stasiababy1023 3 года назад +380

    "A+ on them"
    My goodness, what a mature young woman. Check Nova out growing up😎 🥰🥰🥰 they're going to be close when they're older, Carly and Nova 🥰

  • @couponandsaving4987
    @couponandsaving4987 3 года назад +154

    “Oh man that’s not cool” 😂😂 such a cutie!

  • @lashandaallenredmon2109
    @lashandaallenredmon2109 3 года назад +178

    She’s a very articulate child. So precious how she views the world and their family. I love her innocence. Good job Cate and Tyler. 🥰

  • @damien8759
    @damien8759 3 года назад +100

    “I’m going to be thinking about this my whole entire life” that made my heart feel super heavy 😭

  • @sarahbelle6069
    @sarahbelle6069 3 года назад +69

    They really try hard to be attentive, loving & truthful parents. So proud of them

  • @ashleyv9356
    @ashleyv9356 3 года назад +48

    I can’t lie, I teared up when Nova was explaining the adoption in her words. She’s such a smart little girl and I love how well they’ve all done 💖

  • @marcypoe8552
    @marcypoe8552 3 года назад +69

    I have a strong feeling that when Carly is about 15-16 she will be the one to start requesting more interactions with her baby sisters, and her bio-parents. She will want a taste of a different experience as well, which does not hurt at all. I hope they all get to be reunited soon.

  • @Halimxh
    @Halimxh 3 года назад +150

    I just can’t believe Carly is 12 wow! Time really does fly

    • @SationalCyn
      @SationalCyn 3 года назад +9

      It's crazy too that in only 6 more years things could really change in a good or bad way. She will be 18 and can decide for herself what kind of relationship she wants to have with her bio family

    • @memye288
      @memye288 3 года назад +7

      @@SationalCyn I was thinking the same thing! She could end up reaching out and reuniting with them, which would be awesome. It seems like in the healthiest situations, the adoptive parents support children when they express a desire to meet their bio families. Hopefully Carly's parents do that!

    • @ItsTaniworld
      @ItsTaniworld 3 года назад +4

      @@SationalCyn yes hopefully that will happen she will actually or should I say she have that right when she become 18

    • @SationalCyn
      @SationalCyn 3 года назад +5

      @@memye288 I hope so. But even if they don't, she will be an adult so they can't stop her. The good thing here is that the whole journey has been documented. She can see the story and how much Cate and Tyler love her and tried to maintain contact.

    • @memye288
      @memye288 3 года назад +1

      @@SationalCyn Those are great points!!

  • @nina98498
    @nina98498 3 года назад +134

    Okay. That was the purest, sweetest, most innocent and yet mature and accurate way for Nova to describe what she understood about the adoption. I will be honest I have always thought Noah was a little bit of a brat LOL but she stole my heart in this one clip

  • @Xo.crysmae01
    @Xo.crysmae01 3 года назад +52

    It’s crazy how much nova looks like Tyler LIKE LITERALLY THEY ARE TWINS 💗💗😭 so cute!

  • @jonathanmarrero8124
    @jonathanmarrero8124 3 года назад +28

    That whole conversation was so sweet . And nova was so well spoken

  • @beckakebbell4580
    @beckakebbell4580 3 года назад +80

    aww bless her Nova is so cute and clever one and Vaeda little laugh is so adorable 2 amazing kiddies there Cate and Tyler are amazing parents loved them from day one :)

  • @KMarieA
    @KMarieA 3 года назад +48

    Their parenting style is amazing. Last episode when she allowed her the safe space to say the appropriate word for the body part was so important! Good job you guys!

  • @hellobyehi176
    @hellobyehi176 2 года назад +3

    She said “I’m going to be thinking about this my entire lift” awww. A

  • @sevenp.8640
    @sevenp.8640 3 года назад +78

    It kind of breaks my heart for them. The matured so much. I pray that God presents them & Carly with the chance to truly build as a family.

    • @starlightzebra1997
      @starlightzebra1997 3 года назад +4

      1.Carly has a stable consistent family of her own, which is something Catelyn and Tyler have failed to provide for their children.
      2. Do not idolise theese birthday funerals for Carly. Dawn has said multiple times they don't send Carly birthday cards or gifts. They're commemorating their grief not Carly.
      3.The best place for Carly is far away from her birth parents and there neurosis, it's contagious.

    • @animechik10
      @animechik10 3 года назад +16

      @@starlightzebra1997 damn you must know them personally 🤣

    • @starlightzebra1997
      @starlightzebra1997 3 года назад

      @@animechik10 Thankfully I don't but I've watched on and off for the past 10yrs.

    • @Louisiana666
      @Louisiana666 3 года назад +3

      @@starlightzebra1997 I think they keep popping out kids to fill the void but it’ll never actual heal their pain.

    • @starlightzebra1997
      @starlightzebra1997 3 года назад +5

      @@Louisiana666 Clearly. Did you hear what the hell catelyn said. "God gave us a clone of Carly"...... Nova isn't even her own person she's an extension of Carly. Nova self identity shouldn't be aligned with her missing sibling her parents are constantly grieving.

  • @nayadavis2261
    @nayadavis2261 3 года назад +48

    I love how they have videos to show Carly when she is 18 how much they love her. On 16 & Pregnant, it was so hard for them to give her up for adoption. God has blessed them with 3 more daughters. I hope they can see Carly soon!

  • @angelawilliams7548
    @angelawilliams7548 3 года назад +30

    This was an amazing conversation. Ive watched these two struggle over the years with the adaption and now there able to explain it to Nova and feel good about it. I’m very proud of them. I wish MTV would show more of this because these are moments that define the growth in the teen parents.

  • @alanamacneill88
    @alanamacneill88 3 года назад +66

    Nova is so mature for her age, and Vaeda is so cute❤

    • @teags271
      @teags271 3 года назад +4

      It's a shame she gets left out

  • @bambijenkins4526
    @bambijenkins4526 3 года назад +4

    Having conversations with your children is very important.

  • @katielemley5217
    @katielemley5217 3 года назад +22

    How flipping cute is Nova and her responses?! So innocently mature. They clearly have a healthy open communication with their daughter, great job 👍

  • @fiftyshadesofjae
    @fiftyshadesofjae 3 года назад +31

    This whole conversation melted my heart ❤️

  • @seenarubenstein7160
    @seenarubenstein7160 3 года назад +76

    she’s really trying to understand what happened. Very bright

  • @Ashley-ds8jw
    @Ashley-ds8jw 3 года назад +24

    As someone desperately struggling with infertility it made me choke up to hear Nova explain it all in her words. So sweet. God bless y’all ❤️

    • @DezaRay24
      @DezaRay24 Год назад +2

      Know that adoption is not a family building tool-nobody should be building a family off of another family in a crisis. Also keep in mind that nobody is entitled to somebody else’s child
      -signed an infant adoptee

  • @StEmS509
    @StEmS509 3 года назад +40

    Dang Nova is such a beautiful girl!! So smart!! And articulate!!

    • @freedom4063
      @freedom4063 3 года назад +1

      Looks like Tylers Twin ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

  • @jen6214
    @jen6214 3 года назад +25

    The love Ty and Catelyn had for Carly and will always have is so evident. They were only teens but demonstrated the greatest form of love, they weren’t selfish . Tyler’s reaction at 00:25 shows it

  • @RachRocksDisney
    @RachRocksDisney 3 года назад +14

    Well she just made tears come out of my eyes and it wont stop. Yall have done a great job teaching her what adoption is about.

  • @lexiepoetzsch1544
    @lexiepoetzsch1544 3 года назад +28

    Wow, she is def Ty’s daughter. Just like his carbon copy. Hands down the best parents on this show. The realest with their struggles as individuals and a couple down to mental health and family problems. I’m so happy their both happy

  • @cynthiagreene7833
    @cynthiagreene7833 4 месяца назад +2

    How sweet they are undoubtedly my favorite family ❤😊

  • @lisapridmore9746
    @lisapridmore9746 3 года назад +8

    Nova is so smart and so precious. Glad how y'all open up with her about her big sister. Y'all are doing great as parents. Y'all are my favorite family 💕 So proud of you both

  • @AllisonLee333
    @AllisonLee333 3 года назад +5

    Ugh bless her heart and I praise them for being honest and open with her.

  • @chiohitz
    @chiohitz 2 года назад +2

    "A+ on them" ❤️❤️❤️❤️ she is so smart!!!

  • @lovekesiashani
    @lovekesiashani 3 года назад +15

    They are a cute family! God bless them. When Carly turns 18, I’m sure she’ll be coming to see them and spend time with them. ❤️

    • @am7884
      @am7884 2 года назад +2

      I surely hope that she does and feels the love they have for her!

  • @georgiaonmymind7890
    @georgiaonmymind7890 3 года назад +4

    ive watched this so many times, I adore these two so much. they're so strong and compassionate. I love that they're educating they're kids about the adoption

  • @Nenabaybiex3
    @Nenabaybiex3 3 года назад +30

    I know they hurt every day thinking about giving her away 😞 But things happen for a reason 💕

  • @DJoy221
    @DJoy221 Год назад +1

    What a smart girl they're raising ❤ I love all her questions and they're so willing to answer as honestly as they can 😊Good mama and papa

  • @jprizzle85
    @jprizzle85 3 года назад +14

    When Cate said "it's like God purposefully cloned her" YES! It's amazing how much she looks like Carly 😍 Nova is growing up to be so smart and sweet 🥰🥰🥰

  • @lorikennedy1127
    @lorikennedy1127 Год назад +1

    Nova is so articulate and thoughtful. She had great questions and her comments where so insightful. Blown away. Good for the parents for being open and honest. Hopefully it prevents the cycle. And bc she misses her sister. Its good to talk about feelings

  • @jalissa4120
    @jalissa4120 3 года назад +6

    Wow nova explained it all herself , that was soooo cute omg , they’re blessed 🥲

  • @sarae78dallastx60
    @sarae78dallastx60 3 года назад +9

    Nova is so freaking smart and adorable.....she made my tear up 🥰

  • @terrinew9474
    @terrinew9474 3 года назад +6

    Nova is so smart, I love how Tyler and Catelynn explain things to Nova. Great parenting you two you can feel the love y'all have for your girls❤❤ BTW y'all have some beautiful daughters.

  • @Grapeskiez
    @Grapeskiez Год назад +1

    She is so smart! They are great parents

  • @elizabeth3064
    @elizabeth3064 3 года назад +9

    I love how Catelyn and Tyler have grown over the years. That was a great conversation they had with Nova

  • @saragonzalez2695
    @saragonzalez2695 3 года назад +7

    OMG Nova has an incredible grasp on the situation. Be proud Catelyn and Tyler

  • @Aisha-gs2qx
    @Aisha-gs2qx 3 года назад +6

    Their family is so sweet 💕 they should be so proud of themselves, Cate and Ty are awesome and admirable

  • @daniellacosta1756
    @daniellacosta1756 Год назад +2

    Nova is very wise, I'm going to be thinking about this my whole life. Bless her heart, I pray she gets to know her big Sis one day 🥰

  • @SpookyLil_Mumster
    @SpookyLil_Mumster 3 года назад +9

    Nova is so cute 🤧🥺
    When she said are you proud of mommy 😩🥺🤍

  • @queensarahbirchnall2877
    @queensarahbirchnall2877 3 года назад +1

    Omg nova is soooo beautiful so grown up she understands sooo much what a beautiful family you are angels your children

  • @sluv739
    @sluv739 3 года назад +7

    Now you know how good being a father is 💕 so cute 💗

  • @nikkiblah7783
    @nikkiblah7783 3 года назад +13

    Nova is so smart and I believe it’s because she has two parents who are just open and honest with her. Nova is the best I swear ❤️

  • @slvrbullet22
    @slvrbullet22 3 года назад +3

    OH MY GAWD. She is such a gem. maturity shines bright with her.

  • @sherisawyer6597
    @sherisawyer6597 Год назад +1

    I love how Nova was so into everything how sweet 🥹

  • @rosagomez6925
    @rosagomez6925 3 года назад +10

    Awwww I love this talk I pray when Carly get older she will be close to her sisters

  • @melissanukunuku1953
    @melissanukunuku1953 3 года назад +1

    What a gorgeous, kind girl xxx she’s an absolute credit to her mum and dad xxx

  • @izl1104
    @izl1104 3 года назад +21

    nova has a lot of Tyler's mannerism lol

  • @Baby5teph90
    @Baby5teph90 3 года назад +2

    Gosh they have done such an amazing job raising Nova. Her thought process and answers about her sister just makes me teary eyed!! That is confirmation for them both ❤️

  • @Day1onDay1
    @Day1onDay1 2 года назад +1

    She is soooo precious! 🤗

  • @bklynny64
    @bklynny64 3 года назад +2

    Smart precious little girl good job Tyler and Catelynn 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

  • @mommyteacher1238
    @mommyteacher1238 2 года назад +1

    She’s so smart.

  • @katieladnier7470
    @katieladnier7470 3 года назад +2

    "ohh, I'm gonna be thinking about this my whole entire life" 💞💞💞🤣💞😭💞💞🤣🤣 omg. She has no idea just how insightful she was being when she said that. But she won't be alone thankfully.

  • @alyssasadm
    @alyssasadm 3 года назад +5

    What a beautiful scene/moment. Happy to see them doing so well and their gorgeous children 💞 so sweet

  • @camillesuarez2999
    @camillesuarez2999 3 года назад +4

    Wow this was a beautiful conversation 💗💗
    I really hope they all have a great relationship with Carly in the future😭💗💗💗

  • @avp6827
    @avp6827 3 года назад +1

    I am full blown crying, that is so sweet.

  • @BMarie774
    @BMarie774 2 года назад +1

    Man. These girls are so lucky to have such an emotionally available father.

  • @spiritualone2173
    @spiritualone2173 3 года назад +1

    So smart she is

  • @mrsjoeyfamous
    @mrsjoeyfamous 3 года назад +4

    God bless Nova, she’s very articulate and very smart!!!

  • @taylorclark6563
    @taylorclark6563 3 года назад +1

    Wow!! She is wise beyond her years. I could sit and listen to her all day!

  • @marissamarie6624
    @marissamarie6624 3 года назад +2

    She says now you know how good being a father is precious 💚💜

  • @Traceyi1000
    @Traceyi1000 3 года назад +4

    So precious Nova is so sweet and smart beyond her years!

  • @brandymiller03
    @brandymiller03 3 года назад +2

    Your daughter is so precious and so smart it’s crazy how smart she is

  • @sarah-maywilson1986
    @sarah-maywilson1986 3 года назад +1

    They should be so proud of themselves.. what a great little girl they have raised! Her understanding of something so complex is admirable and a credit to them.

  • @jocelynheredia-garcia9891
    @jocelynheredia-garcia9891 3 года назад +1

    Just wow!!!!! Amazing smart little one!!!! Ugh he’s answers are so good!! Good job Tyler and cait!!!

  • @munkssoph8
    @munkssoph8 3 года назад +1

    Omg 😭 my eyes watered ! I love cate and ty ! Been watching them from the beginning. Such beautiful souls . They have came a looooong way and are amazing parents 😭😍👌🏽🤍🧡

  • @abigailhall2597
    @abigailhall2597 2 года назад +1

    I absolutely loveeee Cate and Ty! Amazing people they are.

  • @lalamakeuprehab
    @lalamakeuprehab 3 года назад +1

    I think it’s great that she has such an amazing understanding of what happened and why at that age! She’s amazing XoxoX

  • @gleekergirl
    @gleekergirl Год назад +2

    Nova talked about Carly the way her little brain understood it… and Tyler and Cait TOTALLY took that, accepted it and helped her to understand even more. GOOD PARENTS!!! Also, Tyler & Cait did such a selfless thing giving Carly up at their age and that is someone to be praised.

  • @chelceemichelle
    @chelceemichelle 3 года назад +1

    I love their relationship and the relationship they share with their daughters . Their talk with nova was the cutest thing; she’s the cutest thing! I know they’ve overcome a lot of obstacles and they chose adoption for their first child but I really do think they have beautiful hearts and they’ve really blossomed into beautiful people and overall great parents too! Forever rooting for them! ❤️

  • @allthingslife6530
    @allthingslife6530 3 года назад +1

    They are just the most incredibly selfless people 😭💔 xx

  • @evanserin1
    @evanserin1 3 года назад +1

    OMG She's so smart and adorable. Love this.

  • @Midnightstar2093
    @Midnightstar2093 2 года назад +1

    Aww so wonderful to watch them celebrate Carly birthday together. 🎂🎉💗

  • @hilwood15
    @hilwood15 3 года назад +1

    I love this conversation!! What beautiful girl nova is growing into. Inside and out!!

  • @latashajamerson1731
    @latashajamerson1731 3 года назад +1

    This little girl very smart she is too sweet I’m so glad how far they have come

  • @caseydickey1807
    @caseydickey1807 3 года назад +1

    She is such a sweet child & wise beyond her years!! She will grow up to be a special girl with the parents she has. They have done such a good job & have loved watching them grow up. No matter the obstacles they have faced they have always pushed through. Tyler & Cate are some amazing parents & should be proud.

  • @heatherthompson8878
    @heatherthompson8878 3 года назад +3

    Nova is beyond intelligent its so adorable. I love her sweet face!!!

  • @Catherineglen
    @Catherineglen 3 года назад +5

    What an amazing family!! They should be so proud of themselves

  • @slagharenseGinger
    @slagharenseGinger 2 года назад +1

    Most beautiful thing to see, i love this family so much. Their daughter reminds me of my oldest daughter. She is so smart and mature. I like it! They did a great job. Clad they become this far!
    I dont even know them but i am so proud of them. It must be hard for them missing carly, but they are really great parents.

  • @reeyynnaa
    @reeyynnaa 3 года назад +2

    She is sooooo precious!!!

  • @psychicrenegade
    @psychicrenegade 3 года назад +1

    OMG their girls are just GORGEOUS. Nova has always been a little beauty, and Vaeda is just the cutest little bug!!!

  • @claudiaangel5773
    @claudiaangel5773 2 года назад +1

    Every time they talk about Carly … I always start to cry. I love them for that. ♥️♥️

  • @tiffanymorris8223
    @tiffanymorris8223 3 года назад +1

    Wow .. what a special girl

  • @christinacassady153
    @christinacassady153 3 года назад +3

    I have loved them from the beginning ❤️❤️ and I still do to this day.. be a parent is so hard and they are doing absolutely wonderful

  • @JasmineRios88
    @JasmineRios88 3 года назад +1

    Oh my gosh ! They are truly the best ! I am so proud to have watch this family over come and succeed ! I hope they continue to be blessed !!

  • @shinske3564
    @shinske3564 3 года назад +4

    What an awesome kid. Definitely reflect on Caitlyn n ty. I remember watching them when I was a teen, they definitely helped keep me out of some stuff I might of gotten into otherwise.