I owned both Vrod Muscle (stage 3) and Diavel Titanium at the same time. There’s very little comparison between the two in performance and feel. I liked my vrod, the slammed look, the experience overall, but the Ducati with its light weight and racelike engine was on another level. Like comparing a Ferrari to a Mustang GT.
I have to admit that with all the motorcycles I have owned over the years to be honest I never thought about adjusting the various suspension components. Good on ya Dave!!
Guy with the diavel ex seems like an inexperienced rider trying to sound experienced. ...then bringing up the forums... Jesus... my hat is off to Dave. Even if you don’t understand what he’s saying, it’s easy enough to understand he knows what he’s doing.
I don't think anyone was nit picking. If you're getting your suspension sorted by an expert, you'd be crazy not to take the opportunity to get it absolutely perfect. However, not returning to acknowledge the excellent work done; that's completely out of order.
Thank you! I rode for 20 years and simply used old car engine oil in forks in the 80's and added preload for a passenger. I was one of those riders once but once I wanted to try racing after my rugby career ended, a year of watching and listening in the paddock taught me a lot. Amazing what you can learn if you simply get a different perspective and that willingness in 1994 brought me to my present journey - saving lives through education. Yes, millions still simply ride. I hope to reach more riders and inspire them to pick up some tools and get started.
Made me cringe a bit watching him rush with that spanner,slipping on everything on a 20k bike, also was the that rear shock locked back up again? Thanks for showing these vids though fella, getting the xdiavel this weekend and that will help
When I bought my bike, the suspension jolted my 148-pound frame so bad I adjusted everything to the softest setting. Still a little stiff, but rideable. Let all the air out of the air-assist forks also. Just the oil.
On a motorcycle with no damping adjustment, you get to adjust only the hight of the coils. So , 1 to 4 is only to get higher stand, that's all . There is no adjustment on the stifness of the coils oer the dampning.
Hello. I have a 2016 xdiavel s. I see that the drive toothed belt has been moving towards the edge of the rear wheel sprocket. Could you tell me if it is a lack of belt tension? and how to make that adjustment? The bike only has 9,000 km of travel. I checked the strap and I see it in perfect condition. It is not damaged or has cracks. I would greatly appreciate your help. Thank you.
If the belt is working towards the edge of the pulley, it is trying to run straight and find the correct place. Check the front pulley location and see where the belt is located on that pulley. As for adjustment, the forums have excellent step by step instructions.
I can say on my 05 vrod I had to crank the pretension on my rear suspension all the way up as that thing would bottom out on almost every bump going through the turns in Northern California
Im still trying to figure out how to adjust my Ducati 848 because the previous owner put a lowering link/adjustable dog bone in it so you cannot adjust the spring without adjusting the link with it. Too many variables when you have ocd.
Two options here: one is the Ohlins spanner and the other is an adjustable that I use that works for shocks and steering head bearings. www.amazon.com/shop/davemosstuning?isVisitor=true&ref=exp_inf_own_pub_davemosstuning
Hey Dave, I just had my suspension tuned on my 06 Cbr600rr, and ive been messing around with tire pressures (moderately aggressive street riding) and im at 33 front, 32 rear, and I can really only get both tires about 120-126 degrees. What is your preferred street tire temp? dunlop q3's. Thanks!
For the street, I will run a range of pressures from 40 rear 38 front and then go down equally in 2psi increments to see how the bike handles and what temps I get. I end up with different pressures than expected sometimes and my preferred Q3 pressure on the road is 34 front and 36 rear.
Thank you Joe. We will keep helping as many riders as possible that want to learn and improve the handing and performance of their motorcycle. Thanks for watching.
Too much rider sag = the spring is too soft A soft spring increases rider sag A stiff spring reduces rider sag I agree that a stiffer spring reduces rider sag, this makes sense, that's how air shocks work. If you hook a trailer to your truck and your rear end sags too much you can increase the air pressure making the shock stiffer which reduces the sagging. But how does a STIFFER spring increase static sag? That makes zero sense, if so a strut will increase static sag
Nobody else notice that when he adjusted the left side and went the wrong way he went back 4 clicks. 1 to remedy the error and then softer by 3 clicks but he only went down 2 clicks on the right side!!
Hey Dave great stuff. Just found you in the youtube planet and instantly became a new sub. Was woundering what something like this cost. I have never had the suspension dialed in for me and looks like I have been missing out on this simple yet effective procedure. Picking up another new bike Friday 636r. Thanks and loving all the great tips in your videos.
I am out on the east coast, but seems you travel all over. we do not have anyone to do this in my area so If you are a traviling man then its worth ther wait. Thanks
Yes. there is one Cycle Gear in New Jersey. 65 RT17 Hasbrouck Heights NJ about hour from me I am not sure about how many people I could personal bring. I ride with a pack of 4 or 5 guys on a regular. Is this a location that you visit at anytime?.
assassin stunter: You need more information in your question what type of bike cruiser sport bike crotch rocket? Several videos explain lean angles On different bikes tire sliding can be to Rider error, tire condition, tire type, air pressure, suspension issues etc.
Relax and let the bike straighten itself out (if you haven't slid too far that it will not be possible). Max lean angle is usually pegs scraping warning you that you have about 5-10 degrees left. I had a crash budget to learn these two things when I started racing so that's how I learned and I didn't spend much either as I was very diligent.
Just spent 2k trying to get suspension better. New Wilbur nightlife rear and new fork springs. Paid for install and tuning by a specialised shock place in Sydney. Still shit. I’m selling the bike.
I'm sure we can get the bike working for you via a video consult. Ask around locally - many have benefited from my work at events in Sydney and have much better handling bikes and knowledge as a result.
He didn't come back because he just watched his bike get spanked by a spanner for 10 minutes no less by a guy who has no regard for another persons possession and a pricey one at that. This is one reason why I can't purchase anything expensive, watching people with disregard touching my shit.
@@ljgarrison6910 It should bother you. this was a 20k bike new and looks immaculate and should be easy enough to keep that way so you cherish it and get good resale value. Having somebody rush around your bike marking the shock is not acceptable, If working on people bikes you should take your time and be professional. You wouldn't expect the same with somebody working on a Lambo etc.
Why in the hell is everyone raving about this guy?? All I saw was sloppy careless tool handling, trial and error guess work, and forgetting to reset the locknut. Smh..
We have never seen a VMax at any bike night that I have been to in the last 10 years, therefore we cannot get any video on the previous or current gen bikes. Seems that the owners are very happy with the bike off the showroom floor no matter your height or weight.
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I owned both Vrod Muscle (stage 3) and Diavel Titanium at the same time. There’s very little comparison between the two in performance and feel. I liked my vrod, the slammed look, the experience overall, but the Ducati with its light weight and racelike engine was on another level. Like comparing a Ferrari to a Mustang GT.
Mike McCormick 122 hp and 162 hp is very little for you? No comment.
Im so glad I saw this today. Have had my Night rod for 5 years I did not even know I could tune it this way
You sir earned a subscriber
I have to admit that with all the motorcycles I have owned over the years to be honest I never thought about adjusting the various suspension components. Good on ya Dave!!
You Rock Dave ! Its nice to see a real professional on youtube !
I like the way you explain what are you going to do
Guy with the diavel ex seems like an inexperienced rider trying to sound experienced. ...then bringing up the forums... Jesus... my hat is off to Dave. Even if you don’t understand what he’s saying, it’s easy enough to understand he knows what he’s doing.
I can't believe that guy on xDiavel didn't come back to say thanks...thats frustrating!
How 2 Desmo especially the ones that keep nit picking and you put extra time and effort into
I don't think anyone was nit picking. If you're getting your suspension sorted by an expert, you'd be crazy not to take the opportunity to get it absolutely perfect. However, not returning to acknowledge the excellent work done; that's completely out of order.
maybe he did not make it better and the guy said fuck it waste of time lol
Or maybe it was edited out
Maybe he hit a bump, shot over the bars and died in a horrific RTA
We need more Daves
Great Job Dave!, so many bikers out there don't ever try to adjust their suspensions and are missing out big time.
Thank you! I rode for 20 years and simply used old car engine oil in forks in the 80's and added preload for a passenger. I was one of those riders once but once I wanted to try racing after my rugby career ended, a year of watching and listening in the paddock taught me a lot. Amazing what you can learn if you simply get a different perspective and that willingness in 1994 brought me to my present journey - saving lives through education. Yes, millions still simply ride. I hope to reach more riders and inspire them to pick up some tools and get started.
Yes I have been riding mine for 2 years never adjusted them 😮 will try now
That was damn interesting. Tech guy knows his stuff well. Im truly impressed
Made me cringe a bit watching him rush with that spanner,slipping on everything on a 20k bike, also was the that rear shock locked back up again? Thanks for showing these vids though fella, getting the xdiavel this weekend and that will help
I wouldn’t be happy either! Guy is a pro but a little more caution would be appreciated
When I bought my bike, the suspension jolted my 148-pound frame so bad I adjusted everything to the softest setting. Still a little stiff, but rideable. Let all the air out of the air-assist forks also. Just the oil.
On a motorcycle with no damping adjustment, you get to adjust only the hight of the coils. So , 1 to 4 is only to get higher stand, that's all . There is no adjustment on the stifness of the coils oer the dampning.
Talking about california streets being bumpy. Come to WV where half the roads are missing.
U very good man Dave I wish it was somebody like u in my country
Hello. I have a 2016 xdiavel s. I see that the drive toothed belt has been moving towards the edge of the rear wheel sprocket. Could you tell me if it is a lack of belt tension? and how to make that adjustment? The bike only has 9,000 km of travel. I checked the strap and I see it in perfect condition. It is not damaged or has cracks. I would greatly appreciate your help. Thank you.
If the belt is working towards the edge of the pulley, it is trying to run straight and find the correct place. Check the front pulley location and see where the belt is located on that pulley. As for adjustment, the forums have excellent step by step instructions.
I can say on my 05 vrod I had to crank the pretension on my rear suspension all the way up as that thing would bottom out on almost every bump going through the turns in Northern California
Did that take away all your static sag? Does that mean you need stiffer springs?
Dave Moss Tuning probably need stiffer springs and Hd heavy duty oil up front
What's a pretty sharp V-Rod
Where are you located?
Well laid out info. Awesome video. I would have come back for a handshake at the least.
Im still trying to figure out how to adjust my Ducati 848 because the previous owner put a lowering link/adjustable dog bone in it so you cannot adjust the spring without adjusting the link with it. Too many variables when you have ocd.
Start by assessing fork and shock travel and check shock static sag. The use the videos to set rebound and compression.
Finally, someone who KNOWS how to set bike suspension properly
Dave Moss is the man!
Hi, what size C spanner is fot XDiavel? Thanks
Two options here: one is the Ohlins spanner and the other is an adjustable that I use that works for shocks and steering head bearings. www.amazon.com/shop/davemosstuning?isVisitor=true&ref=exp_inf_own_pub_davemosstuning
Hey brother, when you coming to California next?
Northern California is my home base. Take a look at my schedule: www.davemosstuning/events
Dave is the best. No doubt about it.
Scott Peterson, I thought you were in prison.lol.
I always thought my setups were fine, but no I realize we probably all need some time with Dave.
I offer remote tuning for this precise reason so you can coordinate a consult with me to assess then improve what you have.
great vid, very informative, thanks Dave
Hey Dave, I just had my suspension tuned on my 06 Cbr600rr, and ive been messing around with tire pressures (moderately aggressive street riding) and im at 33 front, 32 rear, and I can really only get both tires about 120-126 degrees. What is your preferred street tire temp? dunlop q3's. Thanks!
For the street, I will run a range of pressures from 40 rear 38 front and then go down equally in 2psi increments to see how the bike handles and what temps I get. I end up with different pressures than expected sometimes and my preferred Q3 pressure on the road is 34 front and 36 rear.
Thanks! Ill test out 34 front and 36 rear!
Hey Dave I love your energy love your videos. Keep doing great things with those bikes!!!
Thank you Joe. We will keep helping as many riders as possible that want to learn and improve the handing and performance of their motorcycle. Thanks for watching.
Highly Educational, Thankyou
each, has their strengths, each, has their weak spots, just enjoy the ride
Dave,
I need to come see you with my V-Rod
Why the rush ? Careful with me bike
Is it possible to have too little static sag but too much rider sag at the same time?
yes - that means the spring is too soft!
Too much rider sag = the spring is too soft
A soft spring increases rider sag
A stiff spring reduces rider sag
I agree that a stiffer spring reduces rider sag,
this makes sense, that's how air shocks work.
If you hook a trailer to your truck and your rear end sags
too much you can increase the air pressure making the shock stiffer
which reduces the sagging.
But how does a STIFFER spring increase static sag?
That makes zero sense, if so a strut will increase static sag
Thanks, I learn so much from your videos.
Best videos always ! thanks dave !
Wish you were my bike mechanic here in Australia.
RexyFan...Crikey, which part of Oz are you in, that there are no decent bike mechanics..? (".)
Nobody else notice that when he adjusted the left side and went the wrong way he went back 4 clicks. 1 to remedy the error and then softer by 3 clicks but he only went down 2 clicks on the right side!!
Hey Dave great stuff. Just found you in the youtube planet and instantly became a new sub. Was woundering what something like this cost. I have never had the suspension dialed in for me and looks like I have been missing out on this simple yet effective procedure. Picking up another new bike Friday 636r. Thanks and loving all the great tips in your videos.
Cost is $40. Where are you located?
I am out on the east coast, but seems you travel all over. we do not have anyone to do this in my area so If you are a traviling man then its worth ther wait. Thanks
Whereabouts? Do you think we could get 40 people or more to show up? Do you have a Cycle Gear store relatively close by?
Yes. there is one Cycle Gear in New Jersey. 65 RT17 Hasbrouck Heights NJ about hour from me I am not sure about how many people I could personal bring. I ride with a pack of 4 or 5 guys on a regular. Is this a location that you visit at anytime?.
Dave Moss Tuning We have a cycle gear in Warwick Rhode Island. Ever make it out that way? Or up in Mass there are a few.
What I need to do when my tire starts to slide and how can I know the max lean angle of my bike
"how can I know the max lean angle of my bike" Answer: only when you fall... (true story)
assassin stunter: You need more information in your question what type of bike cruiser sport bike crotch rocket?
Several videos explain lean angles On different bikes tire sliding can be to Rider error, tire condition, tire type, air pressure, suspension issues etc.
Dieselman40: about the when type of bike...I think I falls in the moped not sure. Take a look www.motorstown.com/images/mondial-50-cc-08.jpg
Relax and let the bike straighten itself out (if you haven't slid too far that it will not be possible). Max lean angle is usually pegs scraping warning you that you have about 5-10 degrees left. I had a crash budget to learn these two things when I started racing so that's how I learned and I didn't spend much either as I was very diligent.
Dave Moss Tuning: thanks. Now I'll be less stressed is the corners.
the man knows his stuff!
Dave could tune Schwinn Stingray.....at least the tire pressures.
dealership never mess with company settings, however u make it sound easy i guess rebound and damping never been understood by money
Correct - too difficult, complicated, scary. If the adjuster is there why not learn what it does and how it can make your bike better?
@@catalystreactionsbw this. I love tuning and tinkering, I just always worry that I get too into the performance over comfort, etc on my daily
@@Villani_AV Try to use 1 setting per week to get some long term data prior to the next change. At some point, the compromise becomes very evident.
not easy to use that tool backwards.. (".)
Wow this is an awesome video !!! Thank you🤔
THIS WAS AWESOME 🤘 I felt like I was in a MOTO GP GARAGE DURING THE RACE. THE GURU HAS ARIVED⚛
What a pro! Subscribed!
Just spent 2k trying to get suspension better. New Wilbur nightlife rear and new fork springs.
Paid for install and tuning by a specialised shock place in Sydney.
Still shit.
I’m selling the bike.
Dave Williams, editor, replying here. Before you do, give Moss a shot at it via Remote Tuning. email him dave@davemosstuning.com
I'm sure we can get the bike working for you via a video consult. Ask around locally - many have benefited from my work at events in Sydney and have much better handling bikes and knowledge as a result.
Mono shock vs dual shock. Daviel much more adjustable.
This guy has Motorcycle stand instead of Lemonade stand.
He didn't come back because he just watched his bike get spanked by a spanner for 10 minutes no less by a guy who has no regard for another persons possession and a pricey one at that. This is one reason why I can't purchase anything expensive, watching people with disregard touching my shit.
Bikes aren't delicate flowers mate, if that worries you I can't wait until you have your first stone chip.
@@ljgarrison6910 It should bother you. this was a 20k bike new and looks immaculate and should be easy enough to keep that way so you cherish it and get good resale value. Having somebody rush around your bike marking the shock is not acceptable, If working on people bikes you should take your time and be professional. You wouldn't expect the same with somebody working on a Lambo etc.
You have a cool ass name
slipping with that spanner wrench kinda pissed me off.. slow down captain,most ducati parts are double compared to japan bikes.
Why in the hell is everyone raving about this guy?? All I saw was sloppy careless tool handling, trial and error guess work, and forgetting to reset the locknut. Smh..
Vrod ,Ducati 😁
vs the true street rod... V-MAX ?!??!?!
We have never seen a VMax at any bike night that I have been to in the last 10 years, therefore we cannot get any video on the previous or current gen bikes. Seems that the owners are very happy with the bike off the showroom floor no matter your height or weight.
I ride an 09...i have only seen 3 in 4 years in California. I know they're more out there. But where? Haha. I love my Vmax.
@@catalystreactionsbw I guess if the bike weighs 200 lbs more its suspension is pretty strong .
@@dickbuttz7428 that would be the POV, but the tape measure can reveal something quite different.
omg
Duc all day
"when they dont come back, it worked"... at least say thanks, geez... Bless you
or he binned it
Bull shittt !!!
Dave Williams, editor, replying here. About what?