Only Mme Delacroix gets it. As a woman to have achieved something on your own in those times it's exceptional. Eloise hasn't built anything for herself from her own wits or talents, that's why she's telling her to drop it like it's nothing. I think it's not only jealousy, but inability to put herself in Pen's shoes. Eloise doesn't need the money and hasn't had the balls to pursue her passion for writing. Her and Benedict are too bent on perfection and their fear of failure that's why they've been procrastinating. Hard and constant work makes you better, but they're not doing it. That has made them bitter or depressed, wandering around directionless. I think once they find their purpose they might become less annoying to watch.
I don't understand why you feel for Cressida, who has done far worse, than for Penelope lol Penelope was always cornered. She was forced to debut a year early, she had an abusive family, her father was disgracing their name than dies leaving them in debt AND she had no prospects of marriage bc society was cruel to her, they never even saw her. Cressida is pretty, she comes from a rich family. Yes, her father is cruel, but that was mostly the norm. She had three years to make a match of her own. The only reason she didn't was bc she was more focused bringing others down than pursuing a match. She went after Penelope even, who wasn't competition. Just being cruel for fun. To feel better about herself. And society saw it. The reason no one married her so far is because no one likes her. Not even the men. She's pretty only on the outside. A classless cruel girl is no good either, but she chose to be cruel out in the open. Not even being discreet. Penelope wrote about the cruelty of society because they all pretend and no one perceived her and then she found she had a voice. Cressida is using this to flee, and yes, I do feel for her, but she is reaping what she sowed. If she had been kind to Penelope, who was in a worse situation than her, perhaps now she would have an ally to aid her an escape. Cressida is ruthless in the same way, but with people who don't deserve it, who did nothing to her. Penelope used her pen to expose people but the gossip she gathered was because society gossiped in the first place, in front of her, because they never saw her. Yes, she went too far sometimes, but never without a reason, however misguised. She was also 17. Eloise always enjoyed the gossip, so she was always hypocritical. So would be anyone else that bought the issues until it was about them. They all mocked Penelope when the secret with Colin got out. They do it out in the open. Penelope herself mocked her, because she had no self-love. And she only "went after" the Bridgertons to aid them. Even if there was a scandal, it was never something they couldn't handle. With Marina, she ruined more her family than theirs. With Eloise, she saved her before something worse could happen.
I agree with every single word you said, you're absolutely right. And Marina wanted to trap Colin into marriage, and now is married into wealth. I don't know why people have sympathy for her, or even like her.
I don't get it, either. I noticed trigger words: Jealousy-how can Pen be jealous of a person that stole her work? How is Cressida championed for taking control and Lady Featherington is villainized? for her survival tactics .
Pen built a business (in a man's world), she honed her talents as an investigator, as a writer. Cresida stole someone's identity looking to claim the benefits without the effort. I totally understand why Pen does not want someone to lay claim to her hard work and sacrifice.
Penelope told Eloise she was giving up LW for her in the last episode of the last season. She then immediately started writing again. It is a fact that she lied to Eloise.
@@KelliFranklin by that time they were no longer friends. Therefore she’s not obligated to up hold anything regarding Eloise. Also like I have already stated before the decision to give up LW/ writing is Penelope’s and Penelope’s alone. Nobody else including Eloise . Which also includes her decision to change her mind and continue writing as LW
@@kiana960 It doesn't change the fact that she lied. Justify her actions all you want but in the end she lied. Like you I won't change my mind about that situation either.
@@KelliFranklin uh except she didn’t lie to her . She never promised that she would give up LW. And even if she did. They were no longer friends anymore. So she’s not obligated to any kind of promise (pretend or otherwise) that would’ve been made.
@@kiana960 I understand. Princess Penelope is a saint and has never done anything wrong and even if she did it's justified because she's been a victim her whole life. She lied. She ruined Marina and Eloise for selfish reasons. Period. I have no doubt you're ready to defend saint Penelope's honor. I will just say this - she has a long way to go before I forgive her for the pain she has caused with her gossip column. Go ahead and pop off about her perfection as a human. I stand by my opinions.
It's not extra... when Bridgerton men fall in love they fall hard. They treat their women like he treated their mother. Which is why she had doubts about Kilmartin and the brothers told him do a big gesture. They have been taught to be over the top when it comes to love.
My only question (not that I think youll see or respond) is If you despise cruelty so much why are you guys team Cressida who has been the cruelest for 22 episodes?
You always say she writes mean things... she does not say mean things... she says TRUE things. She has always defended the Bridgertons. She tried to save Eloise and Collin from her own cousin. She has not written bad things... go back and check.
How you frame things can be mean too, although Penelope has no way of knowing whether everything she writes is true. And they were reacting to the Lady Whistledown voiceover, so I guess they did think it was mean.
Yes, sometimes there are painful truths to tell. But she isn't needless cruelty
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Again, Penelope does not write just to be mean. She writes the truth. She has complimented many people in her issues since season 1 starting with Daphne, naming her the "Diamond of the Season", for the first time ever, up until this very season complimenting the young women who were in search of a husband... And you two fail to see that, which is a pity. Penelope has always operated as LW to have a voice when everyone else ignored her and also give voice to others. Yes, truth can hurt at times and she has also exposed what others say, however, the most "ruinous" things she's written has been out of protecting the very people she wrote about (remember when she didn't even mention Theo the printer boy and only said she was getting out unchaperoned with 'political radicals', which was considered to be the truth because of the meetings she was going to as well). She did NOT ruin Eloise because she did not want to. That's why everyone forgot about Eloise with time. Cressida's situation is not good, to be sure. However, she always been a bully to people for no reason, so it is understandable for Pen to feel aggravated watching Cressida take credit for her work while being mean in her(?) writing. So I don't defend Cressida. Love the drama, though. 🤣
The next episodes go hardddd Don’t forget that lady Danbury was a CHILD when she was sold, and he was as well. He probably didn’t understand the severity of his sister’s situation, and she was young enough to hate him for it🤷🏽♀️ sometimes as a child, perspectives are black and white. To her, she only saw her brother helping sell her off to slavery. Betrayal. Period
Yeah, and the reason why they haven't talked about all of this before... He said in an earlier episode that they had only just very recently reconnected. So they haven't been talking at all for a very very long time. So yeah, the show has explained why this drama between the two of them is only just NOW being resolved. Because previously they were not in contact with each other.
I don't know where you guys got this villain idea of Lady Whistledown...it seems exaggerated to what she has truly done. I wouldn't be happy at all with someone taking my life's work. Specially someone who bullied me personally.
It hurts me how these 2 don't get the plot is not about any of characters r8 now... It's how a woman's dream means so little in the eyes of any society even back then n even today.
Yes! Even the portions with Lady Danbury. Her whole life was turned upside when all she wanted was to be liberated in her womanhood and she ended married to that disgusting man. A womans sense of SELF is as important if not more than being married off or sacrificing that freedom.
Pen took the leap in saving Elouis’ butt with the Queen by spinning that whole mess into her political leaning instead of her identity as Whistledown or her meetings with Theo. Pen took the leap BEING the writer and putting in that work, and taking that risk, even when her mom never had her back and you weren’t impressed by that but when Cressida does it WITHOUT putting in the years of work, it’s impressive? At least Pen doesn’t slander anyone, that’s all that Cressida and her mom does.
Eloise did not know before because she was not listening ^^' That ONE TIME she actually listened, she realized the truth. Proof that she's not a good friend ^^'
Eloise hasn't been a good friend to Cressida. She doesn't listen. If she listened, she would see how desperate Cressida is and would have helped. She was like this in her relationship with Penelope. What makes it worse is that she knows the truth about Lady Whistledown and still turns her back on Cressida. The show can try and make it seem like Cressida is the villain but she isn't one to me; Just like Marina and all the other women in the ton trying to escape or make the best out of their shitty situations. I fully support her.
It's CRAZY to me how they're team Cressida, who's unkindness personified, has been a bully since season 1, and a liar, but still can't forgive Pen for Lady W's gossip ^^'
Exactly. They deem what Pen wrote about the Ton as being so mean but she never lied. Also they are so mean to Pen and discount her. Why would the hosts expect Pen to be kind to those who aren’t kind to her?
Lady Danbury’s issue with her brother could be resolved by a conversation, you’re so right lol. But I actually liked that they showed her being vulnerable/petty when it came to her own brother. I feel like that’s very true to real life. We can be very good at giving others advice, but not so good at taking it when it comes to our personal lives. She’s such a powerful character, I think it’s a good balance to see that she can still be really human. It seems like Marcus was favored by their father because he was a boy which was probably something that built up resentment between them. They probably weren’t very close to begin with, but then when he told their father about her plan to run away that soured their relationship and it sounds like after she married she hasn’t seen a lot of him. So I can understand how the grudge lingered for so long; but yeah. Time to end it. Just talk to the man.
I will say that the writers succeed in doing something that I thought would be impossible. I actually feel bad for Cressida lol. Of course she’s probably going to be found out and she should but I understand her a little bit more. Plus I’m glad somebody in this show called out Eloise’s obvious jealousy of LW. Even though LW is not Cressida and she’s taking credit for what someone else did and Eloise knows this . But I’m glad that Cressida finally called out Eloise for her BS. She even said what Penelope said at the end of S2 almost verbatim. Which was kinda eerie
@@kiana960 I'm unapologetically team Pen (yes, she's harsh, but LW has never told a lie) but I get so annoyed when everyone keeps forgetting that the only reason she wrote things about Eloise is to stop the Queen from banishing her from Society because the Queen thought Eloise was LW.
@@OldManFerdiad Not only that. But if Eloise would’ve listened to Penelope and not have kept going back to theo at the printer’s shop then she wouldn’t have been caught by the Queen‘s guard. It just goes back to everyone’s criticism of the character. One of her many problems is that she doesn’t listen to anyone
@@kiana960 don't get me wrong, I think she's a great character: selfish, hypocritical, spoiled, lacking empathy and utterly convinced she is always right and knows more than anyone else despite her youth and sheltered upbringing. Quite the critique of the society she was created in. Claudia Jesse does a great job making me still have sympathy for her despite me shouting "omgs you are the worst" at my screen for the last two episodes hahaha The contrast between her and Cressida vs her and Penelope is a very astute piece of writing.
As far as Penelope mom. It's not that it's late. It's just that this was the 1st time they were in a situation to speak truth. This whole time her mom was handling business trying to keep them out the poor house. But Penelope finally got herself on a situation with HER back against the wall. And that helped her SEE her mom as a woman holding it together. Cuz that's was she was trying to do
Anyone else thought that it was hypocritical of Eloise who has stated her “dislike” for LW. Broke up her friend with both Penelope and Cressida because of it. When it was convenient for her hid behind LW aka Penelope for protection against Cressida who had managed to write in the style of LW in order to convince others that she was the real LW. Did anyone else notice that ?
I won’t be morality police on Penelope or cressida in this situation. For pen the column was the only way she could have a voice or some control in her fate when she was overlooked by society & mocked by a ton full of hypocrites who also constantly gossip. Cressida is in a situation with zero power. Yes she could have been nicer & that may have changed her fate but it’s not her fault she has no say over being sold off to a man 3 times her age. Of course she is scared and looking for a way to protect herself. Her and Pen are similar in that women of that time who were unmarried had zero say in their lives and were controlled by the expectation of others. The difference is Penelope doesn’t set out to hurt ppl (she has never written anything in whistledown that was a lie) while Cressida does. Childhood trauma is still valid regardless of the time that has past. There are things that happen ppl suppress or think they have moved past until something triggers them. Agatha has been living a happy life and the arrival of her brother after years, maybe decades, has brought up old wounds. That is completely valid, and if she feels she can’t trust her own brother then obviously she wouldn’t want him involved with one of her best friends, the daughter of the man she loved. Portia is absolutely a product of her circumstances. She raises her children the way she was raised & teaches them what she was taught. While yes with the solicitor coming after them I definitely think she wants the bridgerton connect as some kind of protection. I do believe she is genuinely happy for Penelope. She never had a love match so to see that her daughter has one has definitely warmed her. And having Colin call her out for overlooking how special pen is has made her realize that while she was doing her best, she fell short and I think she actually wants to make up for that. Honestly, Eloise has always been a bit of a hypocrite and self serving. That isn’t new. In s2 pen found out from the maid Eloise was sneaking off to see Theo & go to “political rallies.” Eloise didn’t tell her until she was confronted yet she judged pen for keeping secrets. She is also now keeping the secret of whistledown from Colin and asking Pen to lie to him. This episode is the first time we see Eloise take any accountability for the fact that pen warned her not to see Theo or search for whistledown and she ignored it, putting herself, Theo and her family at risk. And Cressida was right bc some of Eloise issue IS jealousy bc Pen created something for herself that affects the masses while Eloise only talks about changing the world.
Eloise should have had a come to Jesus moment once she found out her best friend loved her brother for years. Eloise loves nothing more than to listen to the sound of her own voice. She is the most selfish of the Bridgerton siblings. She should have realized that Pen was even invisible to HER and done some soul searching around that but she'll just run away and never address it
Besides LW being her pride and joy, it has made Pen a millionaire in today’s money, so I’m a little understanding as to why she doesn’t want anybody to take credit, especially not that viper Cressida lol. But in true Bridgerton style, she just can’t tell the truth and it ends up messy of course! LOL i love this show and i love watching yall review it! Another note about Cressida: the way she walked into that ball in that red dress in full villain mode with the ominous strings playing in the background, by far one of the best entrances of an antagonist I’ve ever seen!
Did y’all see how 1 of Colin’s homie’s getting married to the big black girl?! See, there’s always at least 1 other homie in the group of friends who believes in love💯
I ride hard for Lady Danberry. She is my favorite and can do no wrong. I love the actress and was gagged when her accent changed to her native language when her brother called her ‘Soma’. Such a smart acting choice. Ya’ll some Penelope haters! 😂 🤣 I’m excited to see your reaction to the next two episodes. They go hard.
I kept watching these to give y’all the benefit of the doubt, but oh my god it was insufferable. Constantly making Penelope into the villain no matter what happens, when you’re literally watching her season was crazy. She’s not evil. She’s a 20 year old girl who writes what she hears. There would be no whistledown if the Ton was not such a mean spirited group who spreads gossip, and Penelope hears it because she’s so invisible. There was no grace given once to her, yet you rooted for Cressida when she was literally a mean bully the entire 2 seasons and this beginning of the season?? And then y’all agreeing with lady featherington’s speech!! Agreeing that “women don’t have dreams they have husbands” and not having ANY sympathy for what Penelope was feeling because y’all hate her so much was CRAZY. Pls, take some time to digest these characters, their not one sided people, they are complicated and real and they can grow and be better.
The thing about Penelope and Cressida is that they are both very different products of a very similar environment. Penelope reflects the cruelty she experiences in her home life & by the hands of the ton by being Lady Whistledown, and Cressida reflects the cruelty in her household by being a bully. Both characters are starved for any semblance of power, and lash out as a response to the powerlessness they experience on the daily. An underlying theme in the show is the lack of power women experience in their everyday lives, and how that can lead them to make decisions that, without proper context, are seen as bad or less than agreeable. Cressida takes credit to save herself from that hell of a marriage, and i do not blame her one bit. Pen is rightfully angry that someone who has spent the better part of the last 3 years bullying her is trying to take credit for her legacy. Even then, after Eloise talks to her, she DOES stop writing. The only reason she picks up the pen again is to make sure the same mistakes she made when she first started writing, aren't repeated in Cressida taking over the column. She says so herself in her conversation with Eloise, when she states that she should have been using LW to empower others. She is learning from her mistakes, and ultimately is growing from them. (episode 7 discussion) In the beginning of ep 7, it is demonstrated how the power that LW has, in the wrong hands, can be ruinous. If Pen chose to write the same way Cressida's mom did, all empty speculation and lies, it would be disastrous. Ultimately, the whole starting scene of ep7 serves as a reminder that A. Pen is very good at what she does, as people can immediately tell which one is the real WD B. People can tell who the real Whistledown is because she reflects the truth, rather than speculation, and C. LW is very powerful, and whether we like it or not, that is a LEGACY that Pen built no matter how anyone feels about it. Even if it is pride she is feeling, is she not entitled to it? Women of the time in high society could not become authors or writers, or do anything they desired other than become mothers and wives for that matter. She has built something from the ground up, and while she has made mistakes, she has demonstrated a lot of growth this season. I feel very deeply for Penelope. I also feel very deeply for Cressida. The big difference between the two is one happened to get a lucky break and the other didn't.
The only difference between Pen and Cressida in my opinion is Pen seeing and being around a positive example of a supportive family like the Bridgetons. Cressida is a product of her environment. She has said cruel things, but I do believe she can learn to be different. When her back is against the wall she goes back to doing whatever she needs to do to save herself like she was taught. Imagine if she really knew how she had to make those babies with that man. She would've done worse if needed. 🤷🏽♀️ The seamstress just wanted her to keep doing what she loved. Also Lady Danbury has always meddled. It's what she does.
Loving the reactions this season. Am so glad y'all finally see Eloise's self righteousness.... I get Pen not wanting to give up Whistledown...she is a working woman of the ton who has created something for herself. Plus she always writes the truth, its just her delivery that is not okay...but she should continue writing...gossip sells...Lady Whistledown shapes opnions of the ton even the queen's actions are sometimes influenced by her...that is power.
When you guys do your analysis, you really need to take the time period into consideration. You have to think she was sold off to her husband at a very young age and went to be with him and live with him, which once she was of age, which was still relatively young. Also, she's much older than her brother as well. So she would have been long gone and had her own home and children. It's not the same as like how it is now, where the woman can come and go as they please. In our day and age, that could have been a simple conversation, but it hers, not quite as such. Also, I know you keep saying that Penelope can just write other stuff like books and novels etcetera but that is also not the case. Even women like Jane Austen had to publish under pseudonyms. It was scandalous and could be ruinous to a lady of high standing. Even Jane Austen didn't get the level of fame she has today until after her death.
Nuance is a constant theme in Bridgerton. It’d be great to see you all try to lean into that more when forming beliefs and opinions on the show, it seems very black and white. Makes sense in some situations but less when you consider the time period and the decisions women had to make (or quite literally couldn’t) in order to survive. Penelope likely wouldn’t have found an outlet or a voice in Lady Whistledown growing up in the Bridgerton household - they were privileged in a way most people could not possibly relate to.
10:30 It's terribly sad that just because of society Penelope isn't allowed to keep the business she built for herself. I would be devastated too if I had to give up my passion and hard-earned work. I would also be furious if my bully took credit for my hard work. Pretty interesting how Cressida and Eloise gets sympathy when they both got themselves into trouble, but Penelope who's tried to just build something of her own, by telling the truth - not petty lies like Cressida - gets made fun of.
love your reactions and I dig her accent so satisfying to hear her say certain phrases or words 😆 my mood was immediately lifted when you two was hyping Cressida's(is that how you write her name?) red dress in the beginning I saw a couple of your other videos a few days ago and in every video you got me to be invested in the show haha
Hold up, John did not request the permission to propose to Francesca. I thought, in that period, that permission from the head of the family was necessary...
I will FOREVER ride with Lady Danbury. No way will I forget that nadyy old man she was forced to marry and was groomed for in the Queen Charlotte series. He was right up there with Mister in The Color Purple. Her brother has to atone for that in some large way before I get on board with him.
I feel for Cressida on some level because she is a spoiled, pampered only child who has never been given the reason or the motivation to be kind to other people, and she is suddenly reaping the consequences of her parents’ poor choices in her upbringing. However she is a also a grown woman with very little agency of her own, desperate for any amount of it. The saddest part is that had she been kind to Penelope, it is very possible that Penelope would have used Whistledown to boost Cressida or at least to call out Mr. Cowper for being so cruel as to revoke his daughter’s dowry just because she isn’t married by 21.
Oh, you gave me a cute little chuckle! I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thought Chaka Khan when I saw the queen's wig. Loved it and loved that you had the same reaction!
I’ve always been ride or die for Eloise but she’s really let me down. She has been a terrible friend to Cressida. Had she even tried to help Cressida or just listened to her Cressida maybe wouldn’t have done such a dramatic thing. Also it’s disappointing how quickly Eloise disposed of her friendship with Cressida. I’m not there with Pen just yet either.
People hating on Pen/LW or acting like it isn't a HUGE accomplishment to have published (and found customers for) your writing as a woman back then blows my mind! The word "gossip" was demonized by people (men) who didn't want women knowing what was going on in the world, or working together. Pen as a bullied, invisible child, forced into society early, took information that oftentimes only men, leaders, or the help world know and opened it up for everyone. Viewing "gossip" negatively was always a way to keep women in the dark. She made missteps along the way, but the 2 biggest, most ruinous things she wrote about anyone other than herself were from a place of trying to save the 2 people she loves most from far worse fates than temporary embarrassment. Eloise (and viewers) not 100% understanding that LW fully saved her from the queen's ire is ridiculous imo... that and her not knowing her lifelong bestie loved Colin since forever are my biggest gripes about the character, maybe any Bridgerton character actually...
I like Pen too but the comments have to chill. They dont hate Pen they are frustrated with Pen because of how she chooses to divulge the truths. They a true but they hurt to social standing of those her pen is aimed. Thats a fact that Pen is aware of...Season 2 Pen says "I can never ruin my friend..." she knows what she writes, although true has negative effects for ppl.
I mean, had she been a better friend to Pen and LISTENED, she would have known much sooner about Whistledown and her feelings for Colin ^^' El is behaving with Cressida the same way she behaved with Pen ^^'
No Eloise is a flip flopper. If she could befriend Pen’s bully (which she admits was also done in pettiness), what makes you think she’ll be loyal to Cressida?
I’m with you on Cressida. She was terrible but I think she’s also a product of a society that pits women against each other to vie for men’s attention. She was a corned animal and lashed out in a way she thought best. I don’t have a “team” in this fight either tbh. I’m a girl’s girl so I wanted them all to win and be happy 😂 I love Penelope and want her to have it all, I want Eloise to grow more and reflect (I think she’s like me and is often so entrenched in her own views that she comes off judgmental and condescending), and I want Cressida to have her freedom and the love of true friendship and pure relationships that she’d been robbed of for so long and obviously craves.
im so with you about Danbury... i think its to make her more human bc you know the strongest women still have demons they take a while to face and im assuming this was one for her... but idk
No entienden lo q Eloise hizo ponia en riesgo a su familia y esos coqueto con Teo.Si Antoni se entera de eso , hubiera matado a Teo o se olvidan de lo q paso con Simon.
It's sad, they used Cressida to only bring Eloise back to Pen. Cressida lost the only "friend" she had. Eloise hasn't become a better friend to anyone really, she's still self-absorbed and jealous. She now wants LW to write again to save her after she wanted her to retire? Make up your mind. Violet had trouble connecting with Francesca because she's different than the rest of the family, I think she just doesn't get her. I remember her being hurt saying that she just got back from her auntie and she wants to leave again. I get Francesca wanting her own home, peace and quiet after growing up with 7 siblings, that has to be chaotic.
y’all are literally writing ur own show at this point💀💀 u can literally see elosie start to shake her head when pen suggests writing again and then pen insists upon it so elosie agrees. can y’all at least watch the show before talking out ur ass
I don’t dislike Cressida, I can’t. Yes, she can be thoroughly unpleasant, however, she’s a product of her environment. We caught a glimpse of her home life , her parents are questionable and she’s ambitious, and young and she knows what she wants and there’s nothing wrong with that. I gave her plus points this series for befriending Elouise when she needed someone, that was big for me. She’s not completely bad, not good either. One of my favourite antagonists ☺️
It’s not necessarily the fact that you dislike Pen/LW. It’s more to do with your disproportionate harshness towards complex female characters. (More towards Mikel-Claire) You give them little to no grace. We saw this towards Kate in S2 and now Pen. The only female characters you liked were quite one dimensional and to some extent flat. Whilst in comparison the male characters have more space to be controversial. You always use cruelty as your reason but cruelty has been exhibited by both genders. However, I am not surprised as a lot of your criticism reflect your traditional mindset and how view the different genders. I hope more nuance and an open mind approach is adopted but either way you two seem to be enjoying the show.
Lady Danbury hasn't spoken to him it seems since having to marry lord Danbury it seems so I don't think she would've said anything to him about it. She's clearly not like the Bridgertons, close knit with her family
John Stirling Lord of Kilmartin ...Francesca just wants to be out of the house and Violet doesn't want her to gone especially when she isn't secure in the match because John is unlike any man she has known. She's not use to him being so reserved.
She needs to get over herself. Daphne, Anthony, and Colin’s love matches all involved drama that could’ve resulted in social ruin for the Bridgertons. Fran and John’s marriage won’t.
I wonder if Madame Delacroix always wears dark colors so it’s easy for both her and her clients to focus on the dress she’s fitting them for in the mirror.
They changed the years shes been out in the TV show, but they kept all the dialogue from the book. In the book she puts out 3 sheets a week during the season and has been for the last decade. I dont know why they changed her age for the show. It's weird.
I and others who watch the show, can definitely agree there’s something off with some things this season. I think it mainly has to do with there being a new showrunner compared to other seasons but I can definitely see why you think Colin is “doing too much”. It’s been a slow burn for so long and the connection between colin & penelope feels a bit rushed. Apparently in recent news, there was so many Polin scenes that got cut this season, so much so that fans are calling for a boycott for them to release them. 😂
The writers of the series did penelope a disservice. The inclusion of Marina turned her into an unlikeable and desperate character, the female equivalent of Piers Morgan. Interfering in Colin's life and destroying Marina in the process..
Lady Danbury wants to have someone to blame, because people do that all of the time. But I say blame those parents for that lady Danbury. Still my girl though.
It’s kind of petty for Lady Danbury to be holding this grudge for so long! She gives advice to everyone, maybe she should look at herself! Family dynamics are often quite strange to say the least!
Glad Pen is getting all the hate now after everything Kate got last season 🤣 I love Lady Danbury but your brother was also a child so you need to have a conversation with him and chill out with the dramatics. When she first showed disgust for her brother I thought it was gonna be something crazy that he did when he was grown not something he had no control over as a child. My girl needs therapy because even her hate for her kids is very evident and that’s because of her hate for her disgusting husband.
I'm sorry but I'm just not a Penelope stan like everyone else seems to be in the comments. People acting like she's some kind of saint or they justify every single thing she does. She hasn't won me over by a long shot.
Pen isn't a Saint, but she also isn't a bad person, she is a woman and Lady WD is her legacy. I have a feeling that most people that don't like Penelope don't know what it is like to be a Wallflower
@@mitchagalo Ummm.....no, I'm not worried a fictitious character is going to reveal my secrets. It's more worrying that you think that could actually be a possibility.
@@isabelalba5310 I'm sorry but I disagree. Being a wallflower or any kind of victim doesn't justify her writing gossip about people and hurting them. Whether it's true gossip or not it's still cruel and mean spirited. You're saying her legacy is LW. It's a gossip column. She's just an 18th century TMZ. She may not be a bad person but she's certainly been mean and selfish in her writings. So far IN MY OPINION she hasn't done anything to redeem herself.
Also when you guys thank Shondra, at the beginning of your episodes, you really should thank Julia Quinn as well! She's the one who created this vibrant world of the Bridgertons. 😊
Penelope isn’t just being prideful or jealous. She would be letting someone who finds joy in her misery, take credit for her life’s work.
This. So much!!! Cressida has bullied Pen for YEARS.
Only Mme Delacroix gets it. As a woman to have achieved something on your own in those times it's exceptional. Eloise hasn't built anything for herself from her own wits or talents, that's why she's telling her to drop it like it's nothing. I think it's not only jealousy, but inability to put herself in Pen's shoes. Eloise doesn't need the money and hasn't had the balls to pursue her passion for writing. Her and Benedict are too bent on perfection and their fear of failure that's why they've been procrastinating. Hard and constant work makes you better, but they're not doing it. That has made them bitter or depressed, wandering around directionless. I think once they find their purpose they might become less annoying to watch.
@@user-dx2dm8oq8g literally all facts, not too much on Benedict tho lol he’s coming into his own
@@sunnytyler001 and specifically her. She isn’t nearly as mean to anyone else.
Yeah! It's litterally her profession! How can these people not see it?
Whistledown isn't her job or what she's good at. Whistledown is Penelope. It's her voice. It's not about pride. It's about her identity.
I don't understand why you feel for Cressida, who has done far worse, than for Penelope lol
Penelope was always cornered. She was forced to debut a year early, she had an abusive family, her father was disgracing their name than dies leaving them in debt AND she had no prospects of marriage bc society was cruel to her, they never even saw her.
Cressida is pretty, she comes from a rich family. Yes, her father is cruel, but that was mostly the norm. She had three years to make a match of her own. The only reason she didn't was bc she was more focused bringing others down than pursuing a match. She went after Penelope even, who wasn't competition. Just being cruel for fun. To feel better about herself. And society saw it. The reason no one married her so far is because no one likes her. Not even the men. She's pretty only on the outside. A classless cruel girl is no good either, but she chose to be cruel out in the open. Not even being discreet.
Penelope wrote about the cruelty of society because they all pretend and no one perceived her and then she found she had a voice. Cressida is using this to flee, and yes, I do feel for her, but she is reaping what she sowed. If she had been kind to Penelope, who was in a worse situation than her, perhaps now she would have an ally to aid her an escape. Cressida is ruthless in the same way, but with people who don't deserve it, who did nothing to her. Penelope used her pen to expose people but the gossip she gathered was because society gossiped in the first place, in front of her, because they never saw her. Yes, she went too far sometimes, but never without a reason, however misguised. She was also 17.
Eloise always enjoyed the gossip, so she was always hypocritical. So would be anyone else that bought the issues until it was about them. They all mocked Penelope when the secret with Colin got out. They do it out in the open. Penelope herself mocked her, because she had no self-love. And she only "went after" the Bridgertons to aid them. Even if there was a scandal, it was never something they couldn't handle. With Marina, she ruined more her family than theirs. With Eloise, she saved her before something worse could happen.
PREACH!!!
I agree with every single word you said, you're absolutely right. And Marina wanted to trap Colin into marriage, and now is married into wealth. I don't know why people have sympathy for her, or even like her.
I don't get it, either. I noticed trigger words: Jealousy-how can Pen be jealous of a person that stole her work? How is Cressida championed for taking control and Lady Featherington is villainized? for her survival tactics .
Pen built a business (in a man's world), she honed her talents as an investigator, as a writer. Cresida stole someone's identity looking to claim the benefits without the effort. I totally understand why Pen does not want someone to lay claim to her hard work and sacrifice.
Pen stan here🙋🏾♀️
Me too lol 🙋🏾♀️
Also if Penelope gives up LW/writing. That’s Penelope’s choice and Penelope’s choice alone. It’s not up to Eloise or anyone else for that matter.
Penelope told Eloise she was giving up LW for her in the last episode of the last season. She then immediately started writing again. It is a fact that she lied to Eloise.
@@KelliFranklin by that time they were no longer friends. Therefore she’s not obligated to up hold anything regarding Eloise. Also like I have already stated before the decision to give up LW/ writing is Penelope’s and Penelope’s alone. Nobody else including Eloise . Which also includes her decision to change her mind and continue writing as LW
@@kiana960 It doesn't change the fact that she lied. Justify her actions all you want but in the end she lied. Like you I won't change my mind about that situation either.
@@KelliFranklin uh except she didn’t lie to her . She never promised that she would give up LW. And even if she did. They were no longer friends anymore. So she’s not obligated to any kind of promise (pretend or otherwise) that would’ve been made.
@@kiana960 I understand. Princess Penelope is a saint and has never done anything wrong and even if she did it's justified because she's been a victim her whole life. She lied. She ruined Marina and Eloise for selfish reasons. Period. I have no doubt you're ready to defend saint Penelope's honor. I will just say this - she has a long way to go before I forgive her for the pain she has caused with her gossip column. Go ahead and pop off about her perfection as a human. I stand by my opinions.
It's not extra... when Bridgerton men fall in love they fall hard. They treat their women like he treated their mother. Which is why she had doubts about Kilmartin and the brothers told him do a big gesture. They have been taught to be over the top when it comes to love.
My only question (not that I think youll see or respond) is If you despise cruelty so much why are you guys team Cressida who has been the cruelest for 22 episodes?
As an Eloise, Penelope, and Colin defender I am in the trenches 😭
You always say she writes mean things... she does not say mean things... she says TRUE things. She has always defended the Bridgertons. She tried to save Eloise and Collin from her own cousin. She has not written bad things... go back and check.
Yeah, Pen has written curtly but she has never lied on or been cruel to anyone. Hurt ego does not equal cruelty.
Just because something is true, doesn’t mean it’s not hurtful.
How you frame things can be mean too, although Penelope has no way of knowing whether everything she writes is true. And they were reacting to the Lady Whistledown voiceover, so I guess they did think it was mean.
2 things can be true at the same time. She writes true things and she's also mean sometimes.
Yes, sometimes there are painful truths to tell. But she isn't needless cruelty
Again, Penelope does not write just to be mean. She writes the truth. She has complimented many people in her issues since season 1 starting with Daphne, naming her the "Diamond of the Season", for the first time ever, up until this very season complimenting the young women who were in search of a husband... And you two fail to see that, which is a pity.
Penelope has always operated as LW to have a voice when everyone else ignored her and also give voice to others.
Yes, truth can hurt at times and she has also exposed what others say, however, the most "ruinous" things she's written has been out of protecting the very people she wrote about (remember when she didn't even mention Theo the printer boy and only said she was getting out unchaperoned with 'political radicals', which was considered to be the truth because of the meetings she was going to as well). She did NOT ruin Eloise because she did not want to. That's why everyone forgot about Eloise with time.
Cressida's situation is not good, to be sure. However, she always been a bully to people for no reason, so it is understandable for Pen to feel aggravated watching Cressida take credit for her work while being mean in her(?) writing.
So I don't defend Cressida. Love the drama, though. 🤣
Colin is not going to give Penelope up; he’s already taken advantage of her, and Colin is a gentleman not a cad.
The next episodes go hardddd
Don’t forget that lady Danbury was a CHILD when she was sold, and he was as well. He probably didn’t understand the severity of his sister’s situation, and she was young enough to hate him for it🤷🏽♀️ sometimes as a child, perspectives are black and white. To her, she only saw her brother helping sell her off to slavery. Betrayal. Period
Yeah, and the reason why they haven't talked about all of this before... He said in an earlier episode that they had only just very recently reconnected. So they haven't been talking at all for a very very long time. So yeah, the show has explained why this drama between the two of them is only just NOW being resolved. Because previously they were not in contact with each other.
I don't know where you guys got this villain idea of Lady Whistledown...it seems exaggerated to what she has truly done.
I wouldn't be happy at all with someone taking my life's work. Specially someone who bullied me personally.
It hurts me how these 2 don't get the plot is not about any of characters r8 now... It's how a woman's dream means so little in the eyes of any society even back then n even today.
Yes! Even the portions with Lady Danbury. Her whole life was turned upside when all she wanted was to be liberated in her womanhood and she ended married to that disgusting man. A womans sense of SELF is as important if not more than being married off or sacrificing that freedom.
Same
Pen took the leap in saving Elouis’ butt with the Queen by spinning that whole mess into her political leaning instead of her identity as Whistledown or her meetings with Theo.
Pen took the leap BEING the writer and putting in that work, and taking that risk, even when her mom never had her back and you weren’t impressed by that but when Cressida does it WITHOUT putting in the years of work, it’s impressive? At least Pen doesn’t slander anyone, that’s all that Cressida and her mom does.
Eloise did not know before because she was not listening ^^' That ONE TIME she actually listened, she realized the truth. Proof that she's not a good friend ^^'
Eloise hasn't been a good friend to Cressida. She doesn't listen. If she listened, she would see how desperate Cressida is and would have helped. She was like this in her relationship with Penelope. What makes it worse is that she knows the truth about Lady Whistledown and still turns her back on Cressida.
The show can try and make it seem like Cressida is the villain but she isn't one to me; Just like Marina and all the other women in the ton trying to escape or make the best out of their shitty situations. I fully support her.
I support women's rights, and I support women's wrongs
Exactly. That's what so frustrating with Eloise. She NEVER listens.
It's CRAZY to me how they're team Cressida, who's unkindness personified, has been a bully since season 1, and a liar, but still can't forgive Pen for Lady W's gossip ^^'
Exactly. They deem what Pen wrote about the Ton as being so mean but she never lied. Also they are so mean to Pen and discount her. Why would the hosts expect Pen to be kind to those who aren’t kind to her?
Lady Danbury’s issue with her brother could be resolved by a conversation, you’re so right lol. But I actually liked that they showed her being vulnerable/petty when it came to her own brother. I feel like that’s very true to real life. We can be very good at giving others advice, but not so good at taking it when it comes to our personal lives. She’s such a powerful character, I think it’s a good balance to see that she can still be really human. It seems like Marcus was favored by their father because he was a boy which was probably something that built up resentment between them. They probably weren’t very close to begin with, but then when he told their father about her plan to run away that soured their relationship and it sounds like after she married she hasn’t seen a lot of him. So I can understand how the grudge lingered for so long; but yeah. Time to end it. Just talk to the man.
I will say that the writers succeed in doing something that I thought would be impossible. I actually feel bad for Cressida lol. Of course she’s probably going to be found out and she should but I understand her a little bit more. Plus I’m glad somebody in this show called out Eloise’s obvious jealousy of LW. Even though LW is not Cressida and she’s taking credit for what someone else did and Eloise knows this . But I’m glad that Cressida finally called out Eloise for her BS. She even said what Penelope said at the end of S2 almost verbatim. Which was kinda eerie
Honestly I feel like Eloise is the absolute worst she's been these episodes. Not supporting Penelope, not supporting Cressida. Terrible friend lol
@@OldManFerdiad Absolutely. She basically did to Cressida what she’s been doing throughout most of her friendship with Penelope.
@@kiana960 I'm unapologetically team Pen (yes, she's harsh, but LW has never told a lie) but I get so annoyed when everyone keeps forgetting that the only reason she wrote things about Eloise is to stop the Queen from banishing her from Society because the Queen thought Eloise was LW.
@@OldManFerdiad Not only that. But if Eloise would’ve listened to Penelope and not have kept going back to theo at the printer’s shop then she wouldn’t have been caught by the Queen‘s guard. It just goes back to everyone’s criticism of the character. One of her many problems is that she doesn’t listen to anyone
@@kiana960 don't get me wrong, I think she's a great character: selfish, hypocritical, spoiled, lacking empathy and utterly convinced she is always right and knows more than anyone else despite her youth and sheltered upbringing. Quite the critique of the society she was created in. Claudia Jesse does a great job making me still have sympathy for her despite me shouting "omgs you are the worst" at my screen for the last two episodes hahaha
The contrast between her and Cressida vs her and Penelope is a very astute piece of writing.
As far as Penelope mom. It's not that it's late. It's just that this was the 1st time they were in a situation to speak truth. This whole time her mom was handling business trying to keep them out the poor house. But Penelope finally got herself on a situation with HER back against the wall. And that helped her SEE her mom as a woman holding it together. Cuz that's was she was trying to do
Anyone else thought that it was hypocritical of Eloise who has stated her “dislike” for LW. Broke up her friend with both Penelope and Cressida because of it. When it was convenient for her hid behind LW aka Penelope for protection against Cressida who had managed to write in the style of LW in order to convince others that she was the real LW. Did anyone else notice that ?
Nicola Coughlan is 5'1 and Luke Newton is 6'0.
My ex husband and I were 6'4 and 5'4 lol
@@marissanorth85 Yeah, a foot isn't an unusual height difference; I don't know why it looks like so much on this show.
@@HuntingVioletsthe angles they film with make it even more significant
Something on the list of things about this season that make me roll my eyes
@@Neddoest There is a lot to roll eyes over, isn't there?
She's 4'11 😭 Not 5'1.
Succubus of the first water is WILD! 😂😂😂
I won’t be morality police on Penelope or cressida in this situation. For pen the column was the only way she could have a voice or some control in her fate when she was overlooked by society & mocked by a ton full of hypocrites who also constantly gossip. Cressida is in a situation with zero power. Yes she could have been nicer & that may have changed her fate but it’s not her fault she has no say over being sold off to a man 3 times her age. Of course she is scared and looking for a way to protect herself. Her and Pen are similar in that women of that time who were unmarried had zero say in their lives and were controlled by the expectation of others. The difference is Penelope doesn’t set out to hurt ppl (she has never written anything in whistledown that was a lie) while Cressida does.
Childhood trauma is still valid regardless of the time that has past. There are things that happen ppl suppress or think they have moved past until something triggers them. Agatha has been living a happy life and the arrival of her brother after years, maybe decades, has brought up old wounds. That is completely valid, and if she feels she can’t trust her own brother then obviously she wouldn’t want him involved with one of her best friends, the daughter of the man she loved.
Portia is absolutely a product of her circumstances. She raises her children the way she was raised & teaches them what she was taught. While yes with the solicitor coming after them I definitely think she wants the bridgerton connect as some kind of protection. I do believe she is genuinely happy for Penelope. She never had a love match so to see that her daughter has one has definitely warmed her. And having Colin call her out for overlooking how special pen is has made her realize that while she was doing her best, she fell short and I think she actually wants to make up for that.
Honestly, Eloise has always been a bit of a hypocrite and self serving. That isn’t new. In s2 pen found out from the maid Eloise was sneaking off to see Theo & go to “political rallies.” Eloise didn’t tell her until she was confronted yet she judged pen for keeping secrets. She is also now keeping the secret of whistledown from Colin and asking Pen to lie to him. This episode is the first time we see Eloise take any accountability for the fact that pen warned her not to see Theo or search for whistledown and she ignored it, putting herself, Theo and her family at risk. And Cressida was right bc some of Eloise issue IS jealousy bc Pen created something for herself that affects the masses while Eloise only talks about changing the world.
Yes 💯
Eloise should have had a come to Jesus moment once she found out her best friend loved her brother for years. Eloise loves nothing more than to listen to the sound of her own voice. She is the most selfish of the Bridgerton siblings. She should have realized that Pen was even invisible to HER and done some soul searching around that but she'll just run away and never address it
Besides LW being her pride and joy, it has made Pen a millionaire in today’s money, so I’m a little understanding as to why she doesn’t want anybody to take credit, especially not that viper Cressida lol. But in true Bridgerton style, she just can’t tell the truth and it ends up messy of course! LOL i love this show and i love watching yall review it!
Another note about Cressida: the way she walked into that ball in that red dress in full villain mode with the ominous strings playing in the background, by far one of the best entrances of an antagonist I’ve ever seen!
In the book Penelope started whistle down as a teenager if I remember correctly.
26:37 Listen, Patti LaBelle absolutely would have worn Cressida's hairstyle in the 80s 😂
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Facts!!! 😂
You’re right!!!! Especially the hair bow!!!!! 😂😂
Did y’all see how 1 of Colin’s homie’s getting married to the big black girl?! See, there’s always at least 1 other homie in the group of friends who believes in love💯
I ride hard for Lady Danberry. She is my favorite and can do no wrong. I love the actress and was gagged when her accent changed to her native language when her brother called her ‘Soma’. Such a smart acting choice.
Ya’ll some Penelope haters! 😂 🤣 I’m excited to see your reaction to the next two episodes. They go hard.
She’s my favorite character. She is a bad *ass bish and I’m here for it.
I kept watching these to give y’all the benefit of the doubt, but oh my god it was insufferable. Constantly making Penelope into the villain no matter what happens, when you’re literally watching her season was crazy. She’s not evil. She’s a 20 year old girl who writes what she hears. There would be no whistledown if the Ton was not such a mean spirited group who spreads gossip, and Penelope hears it because she’s so invisible. There was no grace given once to her, yet you rooted for Cressida when she was literally a mean bully the entire 2 seasons and this beginning of the season?? And then y’all agreeing with lady featherington’s speech!! Agreeing that “women don’t have dreams they have husbands” and not having ANY sympathy for what Penelope was feeling because y’all hate her so much was CRAZY. Pls, take some time to digest these characters, their not one sided people, they are complicated and real and they can grow and be better.
Lord John Stirling, Earl of Kilmartin.
The thing about Penelope and Cressida is that they are both very different products of a very similar environment. Penelope reflects the cruelty she experiences in her home life & by the hands of the ton by being Lady Whistledown, and Cressida reflects the cruelty in her household by being a bully. Both characters are starved for any semblance of power, and lash out as a response to the powerlessness they experience on the daily. An underlying theme in the show is the lack of power women experience in their everyday lives, and how that can lead them to make decisions that, without proper context, are seen as bad or less than agreeable. Cressida takes credit to save herself from that hell of a marriage, and i do not blame her one bit. Pen is rightfully angry that someone who has spent the better part of the last 3 years bullying her is trying to take credit for her legacy. Even then, after Eloise talks to her, she DOES stop writing. The only reason she picks up the pen again is to make sure the same mistakes she made when she first started writing, aren't repeated in Cressida taking over the column. She says so herself in her conversation with Eloise, when she states that she should have been using LW to empower others. She is learning from her mistakes, and ultimately is growing from them.
(episode 7 discussion)
In the beginning of ep 7, it is demonstrated how the power that LW has, in the wrong hands, can be ruinous. If Pen chose to write the same way Cressida's mom did, all empty speculation and lies, it would be disastrous. Ultimately, the whole starting scene of ep7 serves as a reminder that A. Pen is very good at what she does, as people can immediately tell which one is the real WD B. People can tell who the real Whistledown is because she reflects the truth, rather than speculation, and C. LW is very powerful, and whether we like it or not, that is a LEGACY that Pen built no matter how anyone feels about it. Even if it is pride she is feeling, is she not entitled to it? Women of the time in high society could not become authors or writers, or do anything they desired other than become mothers and wives for that matter. She has built something from the ground up, and while she has made mistakes, she has demonstrated a lot of growth this season. I feel very deeply for Penelope. I also feel very deeply for Cressida. The big difference between the two is one happened to get a lucky break and the other didn't.
The only difference between Pen and Cressida in my opinion is Pen seeing and being around a positive example of a supportive family like the Bridgetons. Cressida is a product of her environment. She has said cruel things, but I do believe she can learn to be different. When her back is against the wall she goes back to doing whatever she needs to do to save herself like she was taught. Imagine if she really knew how she had to make those babies with that man. She would've done worse if needed. 🤷🏽♀️
The seamstress just wanted her to keep doing what she loved.
Also Lady Danbury has always meddled. It's what she does.
Loving the reactions this season. Am so glad y'all finally see Eloise's self righteousness....
I get Pen not wanting to give up Whistledown...she is a working woman of the ton who has created something for herself. Plus she always writes the truth, its just her delivery that is not okay...but she should continue writing...gossip sells...Lady Whistledown shapes opnions of the ton even the queen's actions are sometimes influenced by her...that is power.
When you guys do your analysis, you really need to take the time period into consideration. You have to think she was sold off to her husband at a very young age and went to be with him and live with him, which once she was of age, which was still relatively young. Also, she's much older than her brother as well. So she would have been long gone and had her own home and children. It's not the same as like how it is now, where the woman can come and go as they please. In our day and age, that could have been a simple conversation, but it hers, not quite as such.
Also, I know you keep saying that Penelope can just write other stuff like books and novels etcetera but that is also not the case. Even women like Jane Austen had to publish under pseudonyms. It was scandalous and could be ruinous to a lady of high standing. Even Jane Austen didn't get the level of fame she has today until after her death.
Nuance is a constant theme in Bridgerton. It’d be great to see you all try to lean into that more when forming beliefs and opinions on the show, it seems very black and white. Makes sense in some situations but less when you consider the time period and the decisions women had to make (or quite literally couldn’t) in order to survive. Penelope likely wouldn’t have found an outlet or a voice in Lady Whistledown growing up in the Bridgerton household - they were privileged in a way most people could not possibly relate to.
10:30 It's terribly sad that just because of society Penelope isn't allowed to keep the business she built for herself. I would be devastated too if I had to give up my passion and hard-earned work. I would also be furious if my bully took credit for my hard work. Pretty interesting how Cressida and Eloise gets sympathy when they both got themselves into trouble, but Penelope who's tried to just build something of her own, by telling the truth - not petty lies like Cressida - gets made fun of.
love your reactions
and I dig her accent
so satisfying to hear her say certain phrases or words 😆
my mood was immediately lifted when you two was hyping Cressida's(is that how you write her name?) red dress in the beginning
I saw a couple of your other videos a few days ago and in every video you got me to be invested in the show haha
Hold up, John did not request the permission to propose to Francesca. I thought, in that period, that permission from the head of the family was necessary...
It was. I think they just kind of skipped over it
i think the protocol would have been to ask Anthony not Violet though
I imagined he spoke to Anthony before he left. But then again Colin didn't ask anyone either.
I will FOREVER ride with Lady Danbury. No way will I forget that nadyy old man she was forced to marry and was groomed for in the Queen Charlotte series. He was right up there with Mister in The Color Purple. Her brother has to atone for that in some large way before I get on board with him.
PERIOD
Have you two seen _Derry Girls,_ by the way?
I feel for Cressida on some level because she is a spoiled, pampered only child who has never been given the reason or the motivation to be kind to other people, and she is suddenly reaping the consequences of her parents’ poor choices in her upbringing. However she is a also a grown woman with very little agency of her own, desperate for any amount of it. The saddest part is that had she been kind to Penelope, it is very possible that Penelope would have used Whistledown to boost Cressida or at least to call out Mr. Cowper for being so cruel as to revoke his daughter’s dowry just because she isn’t married by 21.
Oh, you gave me a cute little chuckle! I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thought Chaka Khan when I saw the queen's wig. Loved it and loved that you had the same reaction!
Love me some Chaka Khan!!
I’ve always been ride or die for Eloise but she’s really let me down. She has been a terrible friend to Cressida. Had she even tried to help Cressida or just listened to her Cressida maybe wouldn’t have done such a dramatic thing. Also it’s disappointing how quickly Eloise disposed of her friendship with Cressida. I’m not there with Pen just yet either.
Violet thinks that John does not pull Francesca out of her shell plus she wants to catch the queen in a good mood.
People hating on Pen/LW or acting like it isn't a HUGE accomplishment to have published (and found customers for) your writing as a woman back then blows my mind!
The word "gossip" was demonized by people (men) who didn't want women knowing what was going on in the world, or working together.
Pen as a bullied, invisible child, forced into society early, took information that oftentimes only men, leaders, or the help world know and opened it up for everyone.
Viewing "gossip" negatively was always a way to keep women in the dark.
She made missteps along the way, but the 2 biggest, most ruinous things she wrote about anyone other than herself were from a place of trying to save the 2 people she loves most from far worse fates than temporary embarrassment.
Eloise (and viewers) not 100% understanding that LW fully saved her from the queen's ire is ridiculous imo... that and her not knowing her lifelong bestie loved Colin since forever are my biggest gripes about the character, maybe any Bridgerton character actually...
I like Pen too but the comments have to chill. They dont hate Pen they are frustrated with Pen because of how she chooses to divulge the truths. They a true but they hurt to social standing of those her pen is aimed. Thats a fact that Pen is aware of...Season 2 Pen says "I can never ruin my friend..." she knows what she writes, although true has negative effects for ppl.
I laughed, I cried, I watched the review with you guys. Keep up the good work!
I'm waiting for episode 7 & 8. This is where things heat up!
Eloise is a bad friend! Eloise should have supported Cressida.
I mean, had she been a better friend to Pen and LISTENED, she would have known much sooner about Whistledown and her feelings for Colin ^^' El is behaving with Cressida the same way she behaved with Pen ^^'
No Eloise is a flip flopper. If she could befriend Pen’s bully (which she admits was also done in pettiness), what makes you think she’ll be loyal to Cressida?
I’m with you on Cressida. She was terrible but I think she’s also a product of a society that pits women against each other to vie for men’s attention. She was a corned animal and lashed out in a way she thought best. I don’t have a “team” in this fight either tbh. I’m a girl’s girl so I wanted them all to win and be happy 😂 I love Penelope and want her to have it all, I want Eloise to grow more and reflect (I think she’s like me and is often so entrenched in her own views that she comes off judgmental and condescending), and I want Cressida to have her freedom and the love of true friendship and pure relationships that she’d been robbed of for so long and obviously craves.
It’s gonna be like that bow in her hair, it’s gonna be horri-bow 🎀
im so with you about Danbury... i think its to make her more human bc you know the strongest women still have demons they take a while to face and im assuming this was one for her... but idk
No entienden lo q Eloise hizo ponia en riesgo a su familia y esos coqueto con Teo.Si Antoni se entera de eso , hubiera matado a Teo o se olvidan de lo q paso con Simon.
Hasta piensan que la modista quiere usar a Pen cuando se hicieron tan buenas amigas jajajaja
It's sad, they used Cressida to only bring Eloise back to Pen. Cressida lost the only "friend" she had. Eloise hasn't become a better friend to anyone really, she's still self-absorbed and jealous. She now wants LW to write again to save her after she wanted her to retire? Make up your mind. Violet had trouble connecting with Francesca because she's different than the rest of the family, I think she just doesn't get her. I remember her being hurt saying that she just got back from her auntie and she wants to leave again. I get Francesca wanting her own home, peace and quiet after growing up with 7 siblings, that has to be chaotic.
y’all are literally writing ur own show at this point💀💀 u can literally see elosie start to shake her head when pen suggests writing again and then pen insists upon it so elosie agrees. can y’all at least watch the show before talking out ur ass
I don’t dislike Cressida, I can’t. Yes, she can be thoroughly unpleasant, however, she’s a product of her environment. We caught a glimpse of her home life , her parents are questionable and she’s ambitious, and young and she knows what she wants and there’s nothing wrong with that. I gave her plus points this series for befriending Elouise when she needed someone, that was big for me. She’s not completely bad, not good either. One of my favourite antagonists ☺️
I have a feeling that the words that the lady was looking for is that the get to be doted on… with love ❤️ from Botswana Africa
It’s not necessarily the fact that you dislike Pen/LW. It’s more to do with your disproportionate harshness towards complex female characters. (More towards Mikel-Claire) You give them little to no grace. We saw this towards Kate in S2 and now Pen. The only female characters you liked were quite one dimensional and to some extent flat. Whilst in comparison the male characters have more space to be controversial. You always use cruelty as your reason but cruelty has been exhibited by both genders.
However, I am not surprised as a lot of your criticism reflect your traditional mindset and how view the different genders. I hope more nuance and an open mind approach is adopted but either way you two seem to be enjoying the show.
The truth can be uncomfortable but so can a lie,
Lady Danbury hasn't spoken to him it seems since having to marry lord Danbury it seems so I don't think she would've said anything to him about it. She's clearly not like the Bridgertons, close knit with her family
More is coming with Francesca. Stay tuned. 😮
This is my first time hearing y'all's commentary and it is SENDING ME!!! 😂❤😂
Damn!!! Fire episode
Great reaction ❤😊
John Stirling Lord of Kilmartin ...Francesca just wants to be out of the house and Violet doesn't want her to gone especially when she isn't secure in the match because John is unlike any man she has known. She's not use to him being so reserved.
She needs to get over herself. Daphne, Anthony, and Colin’s love matches all involved drama that could’ve resulted in social ruin for the Bridgertons. Fran and John’s marriage won’t.
I wonder if Madame Delacroix always wears dark colors so it’s easy for both her and her clients to focus on the dress she’s fitting them for in the mirror.
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They changed the years shes been out in the TV show, but they kept all the dialogue from the book. In the book she puts out 3 sheets a week during the season and has been for the last decade. I dont know why they changed her age for the show. It's weird.
I and others who watch the show, can definitely agree there’s something off with some things this season. I think it mainly has to do with there being a new showrunner compared to other seasons but I can definitely see why you think Colin is “doing too much”. It’s been a slow burn for so long and the connection between colin & penelope feels a bit rushed. Apparently in recent news, there was so many Polin scenes that got cut this season, so much so that fans are calling for a boycott for them to release them. 😂
The writers of the series did penelope a disservice. The inclusion of Marina turned her into an unlikeable and desperate character, the female equivalent of Piers Morgan. Interfering in Colin's life and destroying Marina in the process..
That thing looks like the inside of the Tardis or something.
"Genesis Ark detected"
@@OldManFerdiad :)
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Lady Danbury wants to have someone to blame, because people do that all of the time. But I say blame those parents for that lady Danbury. Still my girl though.
It’s kind of petty for Lady Danbury to be holding this grudge for so long! She gives advice to everyone, maybe she should look at herself! Family dynamics are often quite strange to say the least!
You guys are just annoying
Then why are you here watching?!
Glad Pen is getting all the hate now after everything Kate got last season 🤣 I love Lady Danbury but your brother was also a child so you need to have a conversation with him and chill out with the dramatics. When she first showed disgust for her brother I thought it was gonna be something crazy that he did when he was grown not something he had no control over as a child. My girl needs therapy because even her hate for her kids is very evident and that’s because of her hate for her disgusting husband.
I'm sorry but I'm just not a Penelope stan like everyone else seems to be in the comments. People acting like she's some kind of saint or they justify every single thing she does. She hasn't won me over by a long shot.
What secrets do you have? Are you afraid she will reveal them😂😂😂 her delivery could be better but Pen/LW always writes the TRUTH!!
Pen isn't a Saint, but she also isn't a bad person, she is a woman and Lady WD is her legacy. I have a feeling that most people that don't like Penelope don't know what it is like to be a Wallflower
@@mitchagalo Ummm.....no, I'm not worried a fictitious character is going to reveal my secrets. It's more worrying that you think that could actually be a possibility.
@@isabelalba5310 I'm sorry but I disagree. Being a wallflower or any kind of victim doesn't justify her writing gossip about people and hurting them. Whether it's true gossip or not it's still cruel and mean spirited. You're saying her legacy is LW. It's a gossip column. She's just an 18th century TMZ. She may not be a bad person but she's certainly been mean and selfish in her writings. So far IN MY OPINION she hasn't done anything to redeem herself.
She writes the truth
Perfect timing 😭 I just sat down to eat
Also when you guys thank Shondra, at the beginning of your episodes, you really should thank Julia Quinn as well! She's the one who created this vibrant world of the Bridgertons. 😊
I can only say ITS GREAT that Penelope admits she did WRONG 🎉❤
Francesca is BI!!!!! YAYYAA PAETRON IS A SCAM, IM SO DONE SPOIL3R PAYBACK