@ idk about that. If you watch pretty much any other sports talk show with a “host” they often have a hard time sorting out when and when not to include themselves… Even Wildes can be guilty of trying a little too hard to keep things cordial at times. It was refreshing that they let things be tense for a bit. Not everything is glazing, let’s just learn some new vocab in the new year to come 🤷🏻
@@eastmanfeatures5412 Lmfao, now you’re doing too much and coming off as a pompous know it all. You glazed Wildes, and continued to lecture me on how sports television works. I’ve been watching this show for years buddy, nothing Wildes did this segment deserved a round of applause (glaze) because he simply let Nick and Brou talk.. which he does quite literally every single day.. bc yano.. that’s his job.. 😂 But cute comment! Im glad your 100 likes will improve your self esteem 🤷
Once again, when Burrows and Lawrence lose it's the defense fault or the coach's fault, but when Purdy and Lamar loses it's an indictment on them as a QB.
Who tf is defending TLaw? I love when you guys try to sneak in names to bolster your take. Also, Burrow gets bailed out because he's leading the league in the important passing stats. Apples to oranges. I don't agree with "eye test" but that also applies. If you can't see the difference between Mahome/Allen/Lamar/Burrow and the Purdy/Lawrence/Tua tier, I don't know what to tell you.
so if you have an elite offense with a great team, you don’t get credit like Goff … if you have an ok offense with ok team, you don’t get credit like Purdy … but if you have a sorry offense with a great defense, you are the GOAT like Mahomes
Tbf 3 SBs 4 appearances in 5 years and never missed a championship game! Trying to 3peat at that lol Not hard to understand why Mahomes get that pass. At this point it’s get to the playoffs chasing history. Not personal regular season stats. Even if they lose this year they get that pass. Bc it’s been a long run.
I mean if the cheifs didn’t have a good defense it would be because they didn’t trade hill away to bolster the defense and he would still be putting up 5000 yards and 50 tds and u would have nothing to say if if if only
What? People are ALREADY talking about Mahomes in decline regardless of the defense. There’s no “if” about that. Not to say it’s unwarranted but be realistic. People are ABSOLUTELY talking about him declining. What is it with the Chiefs and Mahomes and people just disregarding reality? The same thing happened last year too. It’s like everyone wants to Will his failure into existence by saying stuff like this so they can say “see I told you he was getting worse” even though they’ve been saying it the last few years. Go watch coverage of last season when they went 11-6 and everyone said he was done and would lose to Buffalo and Baltimore and San Francisco in the playoffs. It didn’t happen so now people are just pretending like they didn’t count him out last year as well. They said the same thing when Tyreek got traded and then pretended like they didn’t. How does he have this psychological impact on so many people? It’s so weird
Really because didn’t higgens just come back and they just got rid of mixon? Wasn’t he throwing TDs to an unknown 2nd year player with 115 yards last year? 😂
@HoldenCoughfield trust me most of these TV shows not a fan of jalen, plus jalen hasn't been .500 since had his "avengers" he won the second or third most games
@@moose4ku440don’t be disingenuous. Kelsey is a HOF tight end, rice who was one of the best rookie receivers last year, hardman and Pacheco who both performed well. To continue with your point, mahomes has even more weapons this year than last year and his stats are garbage and they are still winning. Sounds like the chiefs SYSTEM is just that good if you’re “superstar QB” can have his worst season ever and have the best record his team has ever had. Weird how that works
@@joshchavez8614 We are also not going to mention the oline better than average and offensive play caller who is top 5. After I saw trent williams go down last year and purdy looked lost...I am starting to think trent williams might be holding everything up.
@@CSM_Kobeni32 teams and the OL is 16-17th. That’s average and the tape says they are even worse. How can Kyle be a top 5 play caller with the redzone percentage being less than 50% my guy?
@@CSM_KobeniPS: go watch the all-22 recaps. Trent missed a minimum of 3 blocks a game and at least 2 terrible non-passing pass offs a game. How is he holding it up when they can’t even run to his side because he’s not dominating his man 😆😆😆. Just say you don’t watch the 49ers and you’ll look less dumb
scoring 17 on offense then going out and blaming the defense aint it either. Throwing for 159 yards vs seahawks who are league average in passing yards allowed per game at 210. who just given up 300 yards and 283 yards the last two weeks vs Stafford and Josh allen. AT HOME. The defense has been average the offense has been average. To say that purdy should make a defensive stop...absurd. Acting like purdy was burrow out there.
No he didn't, Brou all of a sudden doesn't think Deebo deserves respect because he's playing poorly, he refuses to acknowledge that Kittle and Trent are playing very well, and making a big ruckus about Aiyuk being out when it's only been a couple of games and McCaffrey being hurt but Jordan Mason came in and played very well, he's literally walking back everything he said about the Niners a month ago and giving Purdy a pass for being an average QB this year, Nick cooked him
This segment again shows what I've been saying for 2yrs now: it's unfair for Brou to debate Nick. Brou is just on a different level. Sure, all the dummies in tv land won't get it, but if you know, you know.
You mean the guy who threw the first td for the niners in the Super Bowl, fought his way into the end zone when Purdy threw the ball 5 yards short of it, or keeping games alive for them but sure Purdy
If Nick is calling Purdys team Avengers still. Then the Lions have freaking Voltron out there wrecking havoc across the league and he aint complaining about that. Because he know the Chiefs are like Devastator from Transformers and they just have inter changeable parts right now because of injuries. Or theyre the Voltron team that had like 12 members because of all the ad ons
ok and 49ers also have 2nd most in pocket time at 2.6. Loooks like I can cherry pick too. No one is going to talk about how 49ers oline made a backup RB look elite. Stop looking at weapons and start looking at Oline and playcaller. Then we can start talking about football.
Imagine making the argument in 1999 that the Rams Greatest Show on Turf team isn’t a one of the best offenses of all time because they have a literal civilian, third string, dude was bagging groceries at the supermarket last week, Quarterback in Kurt Warner. What are we doing here guys? Like you can make the argument they aren’t one of the best offenses ever but the reason can’t be “we don’t know if anyone is going to be a hall of fame-er”. Because other than Goff, the oldest key contributor on that team is 25 years old (st. Brown) half these dudes are only a year and a half into their career.
@@samuelgaona7196 yes in hindsight, Warner is a hall of fame player. In 1999 he was a civilian though. My point is they are judging these players before their story is written. 99% of these guys are younger than Warren was when he got his start. I know you thought you were cooking with that one but try again lil bro
@@lyon9315 looking back at Goff's career, he hasn't been an All Pro and hasn't sniffed an MVP, his road to the SB was a again against the cowboys where he was just over 50% completion and they got over 270 rushing yards, a win against the Saints where he played average and they won with the worst no call in NFL history a d a loss where he could only get them close enough for a field goal once because he was so bad, Warner at least marched up and down the field against that same coach a few times and led an offense so prolific it got the nickname "greatest show on turf", don't even try to defend Goff over Warner, that's utterly disrespectful and idiotic
@@samuelgaona7196 You're still missing the point. We aren't trying to say Goff is better than Warner. We're arguing that if you held Rookie Kurt Warner to the standards Goff is being held to, you couldn't call it the "Greatest Show on Turf", because in his rookie year, Warner wasn't a 2 time MVP, he hadn't won a super bowl. He was "a literal civilian". And for what it's worth, Goff is putting up as good of stats as Warner did in his MVP years this year (which is really what the question is about, this year's offense)
Matt Stafford is one of the oldest QBs in the league, Joe burrow literally is having one of the best QB seasons this year, not much he can do about having the worst defense, your take is dumb
Everyone in the comment section are going on about his caleb williams take but forget nick had an equally egregious projection for Trevor Lawrence's career, which continues to age like milk to this day.
Nick didn't say he would simply be average, he said and was predicting he would regress into an unplayable player. It wouldn’t be this big debate if it weren't only that Nick thought he was average. He wanted him to fail when he had the players around him like he did in his first two years. Talking about “pumpkin watch” even this year, dude is a hater
He just mad Purdys last 3 years has been, Superbowl, NFC CHAMPIONSHIP, Injured, Playoffs. NICK JUST A HATER. GOR HIS NOSE SO FAR UP THE CHIEFS AAAAAA..... 😂😂
Nick keeps saying that the niners have above average weapons right now... who? Jennings, Mason, and Deebo? By no means at all is that above average. The majority of teams have a better group of weapons than that, considering Deebo has not at all been a #1 receiver in years.
Brock Purdy has played very good. Nick praises Dak all the time, said he was a top 5 QB. Purdy is at LEAST as good as him. The PROBLEM with the 49ers is all those highly paid stars haven't played well, the defense is a shell of itself, special teams are atrocious, and the coach isn't as good as everyone pretends he is
@@gorcsauce696it’s backing up Brou’s point that even the greats have mediocre years. Saying Purdy is trash because he’s not replicating last year is asinine.
@@lrivera9113its actually absolutely correct brock is trash when he doesn’t have the justice league backing him up. Last time i checked mahomes the goat is 8-1
Nick obviously wants to blame purdy. Im a niner fan, i watch every minute of every game. The defense is not good this year, the special teams are a abomination, Deebo can't get open, and they are among the most injured teams this year. None of that is Purdy's fault.
I'm tired of Nick Wright not being able to admit a simple fact, really good QBs don't play well if they don't have a good team around them. There are maybe a few QBs at any time that can maybe carry an injured or below average team. I'm tired of Nick and these other haters acting like this wouldn't and doesn't happen to other good QBs when their team around them is flawed.
Todd Gurley getting injured is why Goff started playing bad and exactly why they traded him for a better QB then went on to win the SB proving it. Goff is good 75% of the time and 25% of the time he's throwing pics over the middle and ruining games.
By nicks logic , Mahomes is also a thermometer not a thermostat. Because when the team is awesome around him he’s awesome. And when the team isn’t , he’s not. This has been the first year Mahomes doesn’t have an elite consistent receiving weapon. And look how mid his numbers are now. It’s the defense carrying the team. Purdys numbers are still literally better than mahomes lol. And Mahomes is supposed to be the new goat apparently. Goats don’t all of a sudden start putting up mid numbers
My only pullback with your statement is that the team record plays a factor in this... The fact that they we're the only underfeated team 3 days ago means something. You don't become underfeated with a thermometer quarterback
Nick…..Wrong about bears, wrong about eagles, wrong about saquon Barkley, wrong about Jayden Daniel’s, wrong about Sam darnold, wrong about purdy….but hey he got the jets right lol
Now that's a brilliant take from Nick: "QB looks great when team is great, not so great when the rest of them aren't great!" That would explain Patrick Mahomes' numbers and performance this year quite well, given that his numbers are worse than Purdy's. Thank god the defense is carrying Patty, right!
since when does he hate Jayden? It's clearly Purdy #1, Lamar #2, Jalen Hurts at 3... he also doesn't seem to hate many qb's but he definitely has like 5-6 GUYS that are his guys
@eastmanfeatures5412 Also, i didn't list these QBs in any particular order, maybe I should have. I'd have Lamar first, Purdy second, and Jayden third if that were the case
I think because as talented as that team always was, they only won 1 SB And they lost in some playoffs they should of won, that's kind of how I was talking it...
So last year Purdy had elite weapons and elite defense when winning all the time this year when losing they have above average defense (which is wrong) and above average weapons but yet they kept like 95% of the same team as last year and Purdy is to blame. Mr inconsistency at it again.
8:32 I hope everyone realizes what Nick is doing here... When all the "Avengers" were playing great he used that as a knock on Purdy. But when the same "Avengers" are NOT playing great he also uses that as a knock on Purdy LMAO This is the literal definition of a "can't win situation". When the offense is playing great Purdy doesn't get any credit for it (the opposite actually), and when the offense is playing average Purdy gets all the blame. Amazing analysis by Nick.
Purdy had 3 tds to Jennings in 1 game No aiyuk,no kittle,no deebo no cmc. Purdy is elite and the only people who cant see that are the casual football fans
1) The 13 Broncos and the 07 Pats had bad offensive performances in the SB, so thats in line with the 18 Rams. The Lions at this pace will be one of the best in terms of raw numbers. Nick makes no sense. 2) Purdy is high in QBR, EPA per play, PFF grade (which does the Wow and Yikes thing Nick likes) so not sure what his point is. The Avengers aren't there and their D isn't bailing him out like Mahomes, who he says isn't playing well either. What games does he actually watch?
Cuz if you watched the 13 broncos, there's no fuckn way on paper or even through the whole year you think the lions raw numbers will be better, no way lol
Exactly when it comes to guys he doesn’t like he just makes up narratives as he goes don’t get me wrong sometimes he gives fair criticism but a lot of times it’s just hate for no reason
Agree with brou, Brock is a good qb, a tier 2 QB. The Niners as a whole have played worse but Purdy has been keeping them afloat anyone who’s watched the film can see that. Purdy has played good all year apart from the KC game and has proved over the last 3 years that he’s CLEARLY a top 12-15 QB at the very least
Purdy is out there with the practice squad. Entire team is injured. Who is going to be great in that situation. Nick hates for clicks and attention. It takes the whole team. Why is Burriw 4-7. One person can't do it all.
@ - Drew was great. But look at how many seasons he had with double digit interceptions and his records every year. He was great… but he wasn’t perfect and he had a much better coach with Payton that had the entire system built around Drew.
There's a saying when it comes to interpreting data: If you torture the data long enough, it will confess. Nick is not a statistician, he has no clue how to interpret data in a way that isn't riddled with bias. He just cherry picks stats he likes and uses them to fit the narrative he's trying to present, constantly ignoring whatever disproves his argument. And he uses past performance to predict future success, which is also not how it works. It's pathetically predictable at this point and a waste of the show's time. Instead giving game analysis, they have to waste most of the time arguing with Nick's nonsensical takes as he pulls random stats out of his hat.
To Nicks point Stafford didn’t even have “average” guys without Kupp and Puka. The only guy he had who was above average was Kyren so obviously his touchdowns will take a hit for relying on him more. Like his receiving core was Tutu, Demarcus Robinson, Davis Allen and Tyler Johnson. Jauan is better than all of those guys
I know you're referring to the Rams roster. But we can't just ignore the fact that at one point in his career that Stafford has MEGATRON. Shouldn't that be taken into account on how he even made his way to the Rams in the first place? Think of his numbers without Calvin Johnson as your WR1.
@@marlanpete08 I mean to a certain extent he’s done that throughout his years at Detroit after Megatron was gone. It didn’t result in wins but guys were getting yardage, even Tutu had a decent amount when Kupp and Puka were out. He basically got Kenny Galladay to fleece the Giants. Demarcus Robinson has been putting up career stats for himself since he got to the Rams last year. I don’t think Kupp/Puka and to a lesser extent Calvin put up the numbers they have without him. Like all that “superhero” talk is nonsense but I was just pointing out that Brou said he looked bad with average guys like Purdy while Debo, Aiyuk pre injury, Kittle and Jauan are significantly better than what the Rams had at the time.
@@montezzz8721 oh I agree I’m no Stafford hater. I’m just using nicks silly logic against him. I think staff is awesome but I not gonna put a gap between Stafford and Goff like nick has.
@@montezzz8721 Counterpoint: If Stafford is THAT good, then why does it matter? That's the thing yall always miss in these kinda of arguments. If a player is truly so much better than another, then we shouldn't be seeing such a dramatic dive in production even if they're playing with inferior talent.
Nick is so selective and hypocritical with his arguments. He's "not a QB wins guy" unless it comes to Patrick Mahomoes this year putting up terrible career low numbers with career high wins, then wins and "situational football" are all that matters. He penalizes Brock Purdy for needing great weapons, but praises Stafford and Burrow even though they've never shown they can do anything without multiple great receiving weapons. When it comes to Joe Burrow, he constantly blames the defense and kicker for losing games, when it comes to Lamar and Purdy he doesn't care if their defense plays bad or they miss kicks, he puts the loss on them.
If FS1 shut down Hoang Bi that is a dumb move. He made me love this show so much more by uploading segments while I’m at work. It’s like free advertisement for the show
Nick just gets absolutely eviscerated in this argument every time. Last summer he was saying Trey Lance is better than Purdy, now he’s saying Purdy probably isn’t gonna me the Hall of Fame, goalposts couldn’t be moved further.
“When you use the Shanahan offense your passer rating gets a bump.” Nick wright defending Jordan love against purdy even tho packers run the Shanahan offense
Someone compared the 2024 Lions to the "Greatest Show On Turf" 1999 Rams team through their first 10 games, and Detroit was better in every category. Just sayin.
You said that to say what? Kurt was the driving force and won the mvp that year goff isn’t the strength on his team plus back then the rules wasn’t favored for the offense like it is now so this isn’t even a accurate comparison
@@kevonsidek9737Warner was also playing with multiple HOF talents. Sewell maybe the closest (in this context; being compared to Orlando Pace.) I think St. Brown is trending to it, but right now, I don't think there's a skill position player on Detroit that's the same level of Holt or Bruce, and certainly not Faulk.
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Today was spicy between Nick and Brou. Let's go. This is peak FTF.
not spicy enough for me... I want an Undisputed "put your glasses on" fallout where one has to leave the show.. that's spicy
@thisisgodkazzz lol I actually enjoy the show and want my weekdays to be entertaining.
Team Brou and a soda pop.
@@thisisgodkazzzwhat kind of nonsense is this??
@@thisisgodkazzz
Go watch Real Housewives
“Dusty… the graphic” 👀😂
Deer with the headlights syndrome!😂😂😂😂
Nick was feeling himself until this moment. Then he realized he's cooked.
😭😭😭
@@robertadams305love it!!!😂😂😂
also mad respect to Wildes for just letting Nick and Brou slug it out and seeing that his levity and humor wasn't gonna fit into the Purdy debate
Alright bro this is glazing😂 I understand what u mean but he’s the host he’s supposed to do that
@ idk about that. If you watch pretty much any other sports talk show with a “host” they often have a hard time sorting out when and when not to include themselves…
Even Wildes can be guilty of trying a little too hard to keep things cordial at times. It was refreshing that they let things be tense for a bit.
Not everything is glazing, let’s just learn some new vocab in the new year to come 🤷🏻
@@eastmanfeatures5412 Lmfao, now you’re doing too much and coming off as a pompous know it all. You glazed Wildes, and continued to lecture me on how sports television works.
I’ve been watching this show for years buddy, nothing Wildes did this segment deserved a round of applause (glaze) because he simply let Nick and Brou talk.. which he does quite literally every single day.. bc yano.. that’s his job.. 😂
But cute comment! Im glad your 100 likes will improve your self esteem 🤷
@@Sanchineko Wildes deserves to be glazed, we need more Wildes glazing.
@@donovan4222 I agree, let’s at least acknowledge it’s glazing tho! 😏
Everyday we stray further from Hoang Bi
Lol you know about him too? I get thru most of the video before I notice it's him
😂😂😂😂
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Whatever happened to him?
They will be missed
Once again, when Burrows and Lawrence lose it's the defense fault or the coach's fault, but when Purdy and Lamar loses it's an indictment on them as a QB.
Who tf is defending TLaw? I love when you guys try to sneak in names to bolster your take. Also, Burrow gets bailed out because he's leading the league in the important passing stats. Apples to oranges.
I don't agree with "eye test" but that also applies. If you can't see the difference between Mahome/Allen/Lamar/Burrow and the Purdy/Lawrence/Tua tier, I don't know what to tell you.
Buddy Joe burrow isn’t dropping 17 pts in these losses he has 34, 27, 38 33 pt losses 💀💀 Purdy dropping. 24 or less in every loss.
@@icey2203Burrow is 4-7. A Career .500 QB practically
Exactly.
Dont ever compare purdy and tlaw to burrow again in your LIFE buddy
KW cussing is the best part of this 😂
Gawk gawk gawk
@@dadillonfulsus
so if you have an elite offense with a great team, you don’t get credit like Goff … if you have an ok offense with ok team, you don’t get credit like Purdy … but if you have a sorry offense with a great defense, you are the GOAT like Mahomes
Tbf 3 SBs 4 appearances in 5 years and never missed a championship game! Trying to 3peat at that lol
Not hard to understand why Mahomes get that pass. At this point it’s get to the playoffs chasing history. Not personal regular season stats.
Even if they lose this year they get that pass. Bc it’s been a long run.
I mean if Chiefs didn’t have a good defense there’d be talk about Mahomes decline.
Truth
I mean if the cheifs didn’t have a good defense it would be because they didn’t trade hill away to bolster the defense and he would still be putting up 5000 yards and 50 tds and u would have nothing to say if if if only
What? People are ALREADY talking about Mahomes in decline regardless of the defense. There’s no “if” about that. Not to say it’s unwarranted but be realistic. People are ABSOLUTELY talking about him declining. What is it with the Chiefs and Mahomes and people just disregarding reality? The same thing happened last year too. It’s like everyone wants to Will his failure into existence by saying stuff like this so they can say “see I told you he was getting worse” even though they’ve been saying it the last few years. Go watch coverage of last season when they went 11-6 and everyone said he was done and would lose to Buffalo and Baltimore and San Francisco in the playoffs. It didn’t happen so now people are just pretending like they didn’t count him out last year as well. They said the same thing when Tyreek got traded and then pretended like they didn’t. How does he have this psychological impact on so many people? It’s so weird
Excellent point
He has lost 3 key offensive players
I like how there are certain trigger words that start fights on the show
-Purdy
-Tatum
-Jokic
-etc.
Burrow and Lamar too😂😂
Stafford
Trevor
The Prince
no longer the Prince... the show evolves.
If Purdy has an Avenger cast than Burrow definitely is playing with Avengers
Nope because Nick then will blame the defense you how it works, he's becoming Skip B 😂
Really because didn’t higgens just come back and they just got rid of mixon? Wasn’t he throwing TDs to an unknown 2nd year player with 115 yards last year? 😂
Then Jalen has the super avengers. Somehow Jalen always escaped these conversations as if he doesnt have the best lineup in the league.
@HoldenCoughfield trust me most of these TV shows not a fan of jalen, plus jalen hasn't been .500 since had his "avengers" he won the second or third most games
@@blacopsassassin2771everyone is noticing now
Plot twist, the old RUclips editor was fired and First Take hired Hoang Bi. Thats why they are early all of a sudden.
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I’m on board with this.
Breaking news, QBs don’t play as good when their starters aren’t playing
Some still perform, some don't.
Mahomes won a super bowl with Marquez Valdez Scantling and Kadarius Toney as his WRs
@@moose4ku440 Mahomes also didn't play as well all last season.
@@the_cogito5170 Except when it mattered the most. 400 total yards by himself in the SB
@@moose4ku440don’t be disingenuous. Kelsey is a HOF tight end, rice who was one of the best rookie receivers last year, hardman and Pacheco who both performed well.
To continue with your point, mahomes has even more weapons this year than last year and his stats are garbage and they are still winning. Sounds like the chiefs SYSTEM is just that good if you’re “superstar QB” can have his worst season ever and have the best record his team has ever had. Weird how that works
9:00 - Brou’s point about Stafford proves Nick’s double standard about Purdy.
Now Purdys "avengers" are Jauan and Jordan according to Nick lol
Jenning was the reason why they were in that Super Bowl and Jordan mason is putting up cmc numbers this year so yes he’s right
@@joshchavez8614 We are also not going to mention the oline better than average and offensive play caller who is top 5. After I saw trent williams go down last year and purdy looked lost...I am starting to think trent williams might be holding everything up.
@@joshchavez8614 Jennings never been an All-Pro & Nick said that’s what makes you an Avenger in his book … So nah.
@@CSM_Kobeni32 teams and the OL is 16-17th. That’s average and the tape says they are even worse. How can Kyle be a top 5 play caller with the redzone percentage being less than 50% my guy?
@@CSM_KobeniPS: go watch the all-22 recaps. Trent missed a minimum of 3 blocks a game and at least 2 terrible non-passing pass offs a game. How is he holding it up when they can’t even run to his side because he’s not dominating his man 😆😆😆. Just say you don’t watch the 49ers and you’ll look less dumb
Brou absolutely cooked on this segment
Nick didn’t even have any stats 😂 he’s reached a new low
Let's not ever compare Brock Purdy to Drew Brees
Absolutely facts
@@cjtalksmovies467 drew brees that was always .500 or under??
He's not a names guy but that's his defense of the Jets and why he was low on the Bills. Give me a break.
Purdy should have ran on the field and tackled Geno to prevent him from scoring with 10 seconds left
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scoring 17 on offense then going out and blaming the defense aint it either. Throwing for 159 yards vs seahawks who are league average in passing yards allowed per game at 210. who just given up 300 yards and 283 yards the last two weeks vs Stafford and Josh allen. AT HOME.
The defense has been average the offense has been average. To say that purdy should make a defensive stop...absurd. Acting like purdy was burrow out there.
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bro its time time to save yourself from the Cult of Purdy your deep in a place of delusion my dude
@@CSM_Kobeni tbf, last game was the first Purdy mediocre performance this year. He's been playing great so far except for that game.
need the lions to win the SB and defeat the chiefs in it to shut Nick up lmao. "Civilian" is such a disrespectful word like wtf
The word is growing on me since ALL these athletes are civilians. 😂
I feel like the Lions are going to get dropped by the Eagles or some dumb team that is going to be hot. Things are just going too good for the Lions.
@@leobreed9563 Mahomes aint a civilian to Nick. he's a diety
@@marinodejesus8024no the packers gone drop em. But either way they won’t make the dance watch. 😎
Nick cashes checks off the hate though
Ngl Nick got flamed this entire segment 😂
Yea he’s just up there talking 😂😂😂
No he didn't, Brou all of a sudden doesn't think Deebo deserves respect because he's playing poorly, he refuses to acknowledge that Kittle and Trent are playing very well, and making a big ruckus about Aiyuk being out when it's only been a couple of games and McCaffrey being hurt but Jordan Mason came in and played very well, he's literally walking back everything he said about the Niners a month ago and giving Purdy a pass for being an average QB this year, Nick cooked him
@@samuelgaona7196 hes played poorly a lot more than hes played elite. Brou called it like it is
It’s when the show is at its best.
@@samuelgaona7196 deebo hasnt played well in 3 seasons
Nick out here getting COOKED and I’m here for it😂😂😂😂
How??
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That was a beat down, Broussard the GOAT 🐐 just dismantled every piont Nick attempted 😂
He’s been right about every single point
@@TheCephalonhow is he right?
Yooo Brou was cooking. Wilds was just there watching the fight like let me stay out of this
He was looking right at Nick when he was getting cooked.
This segment again shows what I've been saying for 2yrs now: it's unfair for Brou to debate Nick. Brou is just on a different level. Sure, all the dummies in tv land won't get it, but if you know, you know.
Is Jauan Jennings really that good, or did you ever stop to think that maybe Purdy is making him look better than he really is?
You mean Shanahan....
Say it louder!
@@abezzzy121 Kyle couldn’t scheme a 3 second+ pass protection
Exactly. He got Aiyuk, Kittle, and almost Deebo to 1000 yards each last season
You mean the guy who threw the first td for the niners in the Super Bowl, fought his way into the end zone when Purdy threw the ball 5 yards short of it, or keeping games alive for them but sure Purdy
If Nick is calling Purdys team Avengers still.
Then the Lions have freaking Voltron out there wrecking havoc across the league and he aint complaining about that. Because he know the Chiefs are like Devastator from Transformers and they just have inter changeable parts right now because of injuries.
Or theyre the Voltron team that had like 12 members because of all the ad ons
49ers receivers have the worst separation in the NFL and the worst YAC. They don't have a top 20 receiver on their team
ok and 49ers also have 2nd most in pocket time at 2.6. Loooks like I can cherry pick too. No one is going to talk about how 49ers oline made a backup RB look elite. Stop looking at weapons and start looking at Oline and playcaller. Then we can start talking about football.
@@CSM_KobeniAlright tough guy 😂😂 maybe he's holding on to the ball more because nobody gets separation
And brock aint a top 20 qb so what you saying??😭😭
Nah losing every offensive player surely would impact every offense
Haters don't understand .
Except he’s still been playing with kittle and debo and his running game was still better than it is rn with cmc back 🤷🏽♂️
@@realngga0Deebo is nothing lol
@realngga0 kittle, Jennings, and deebo have all missed games with injuries. It's been a carousel of position players all year
@ ya but most of the season hes had atleast kittle and jennings playing with his run game still being really good
Imagine making the argument in 1999 that the Rams Greatest Show on Turf team isn’t a one of the best offenses of all time because they have a literal civilian, third string, dude was bagging groceries at the supermarket last week, Quarterback in Kurt Warner.
What are we doing here guys? Like you can make the argument they aren’t one of the best offenses ever but the reason can’t be “we don’t know if anyone is going to be a hall of fame-er”. Because other than Goff, the oldest key contributor on that team is 25 years old (st. Brown) half these dudes are only a year and a half into their career.
Warner is a two time MVP and a SB champ, that's not what Purdy is, don't choose to say stupid things
@@samuelgaona7196 yes in hindsight, Warner is a hall of fame player. In 1999 he was a civilian though. My point is they are judging these players before their story is written. 99% of these guys are younger than Warren was when he got his start.
I know you thought you were cooking with that one but try again lil bro
@@lyon9315 looking back at Goff's career, he hasn't been an All Pro and hasn't sniffed an MVP, his road to the SB was a again against the cowboys where he was just over 50% completion and they got over 270 rushing yards, a win against the Saints where he played average and they won with the worst no call in NFL history a d a loss where he could only get them close enough for a field goal once because he was so bad, Warner at least marched up and down the field against that same coach a few times and led an offense so prolific it got the nickname "greatest show on turf", don't even try to defend Goff over Warner, that's utterly disrespectful and idiotic
@@samuelgaona7196 You're still missing the point. We aren't trying to say Goff is better than Warner. We're arguing that if you held Rookie Kurt Warner to the standards Goff is being held to, you couldn't call it the "Greatest Show on Turf", because in his rookie year, Warner wasn't a 2 time MVP, he hadn't won a super bowl. He was "a literal civilian". And for what it's worth, Goff is putting up as good of stats as Warner did in his MVP years this year (which is really what the question is about, this year's offense)
Brou really rocking with the J lo shii 😂😂😂….
I like it 😂
lol it fits.
9:00 Mathew Stafford and Joe Burrow are why his take on “isn’t he supposed to elevate an average roster” a dumb take
Matt Stafford is one of the oldest QBs in the league, Joe burrow literally is having one of the best QB seasons this year, not much he can do about having the worst defense, your take is dumb
With out puka and kupp, the Rams did not have an average roster at all
Right, its about wins sorry
Nick is the worst evaluator of the QB position I’ve ever seen.
Everyone in the comment section are going on about his caleb williams take but forget nick had an equally egregious projection for Trevor Lawrence's career, which continues to age like milk to this day.
@ right and if the 49ers defense holds Mahomes would he still be saying this about a Super Bowl winning QB?
What did the Lions do to get such negative coverage?
Lions are the number one team and will dethrone the refs chiefs .
DETROIT VS. EVERYBODY!! We simply DGAF💯
Nick is an insecure man and fan.
It’s always been like this. We used to it
Mahomes scored 9 points in his SB loss, are you going to put his stats in question?
RIP Hoang Bi
The best there is....the best there was....the best there ever will be.
I’m sorry but Brou won this debate, them numbers and arguements was too convincing and true!
Nick says Deebo is playing bad cus Purdy is playing bad, but Jauan Jennings is having a career year 🤔
Still think all of Nick's disdain for Purdy stems from him being a Trey Lance guy.
That's not what Shanahan said though, but Nick only sticks to his own narratives.
What else is new 🤣
@@Packman2397well brock iss trash af so idk nick been right 😭
Nick didn't say he would simply be average, he said and was predicting he would regress into an unplayable player. It wouldn’t be this big debate if it weren't only that Nick thought he was average. He wanted him to fail when he had the players around him like he did in his first two years. Talking about “pumpkin watch” even this year, dude is a hater
Nick measures Purdy completely different than any other QB in the league. Its insane the hate he has for a kid that plays his heart out every week.
Exactly Purdy doesn't bother anyone
Being nice has nothing to do with being elite. What kind of boy scout mentality is this?
He just mad Purdys last 3 years has been, Superbowl, NFC CHAMPIONSHIP, Injured, Playoffs.
NICK JUST A HATER. GOR HIS NOSE SO FAR UP THE CHIEFS AAAAAA..... 😂😂
Brou absolutely cooked Nick
this must be a joke
Nick had Brou calling Drew Brees a civilian my guy
Are we watching the same show ?😂
@@eastmanfeatures5412 you must be a joke!
@@gsleevy ummm i think so
im watching First things First wbu? 🤔
Nick keeps saying that the niners have above average weapons right now... who? Jennings, Mason, and Deebo? By no means at all is that above average. The majority of teams have a better group of weapons than that, considering Deebo has not at all been a #1 receiver in years.
lol you left out kittle and cmc
I like that wildes doesn’t interrupt when Brou and Nick are going at it.
You don’t step in front of gun fight
Someone tell Molly this on First Take… 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 Unwatchable
Brock Purdy has played very good. Nick praises Dak all the time, said he was a top 5 QB. Purdy is at LEAST as good as him. The PROBLEM with the 49ers is all those highly paid stars haven't played well, the defense is a shell of itself, special teams are atrocious, and the coach isn't as good as everyone pretends he is
Never thought I would see the day Wildes swearing on television 😂 16:10
Brou cooked Nick on this Purdy segment.
Brou needs a medal for this segment
49ers have one of the worst if not the worst special teams units in the league.
Brou is on fire in this segment. Nick really has no counter to Brou's points
That Purdy vs Mahomes graphic cooked Nick’s entire argument
Purdy isn’t top 10 qb we know wat mahome does lol
@@gorcsauce696it’s backing up Brou’s point that even the greats have mediocre years. Saying Purdy is trash because he’s not replicating last year is asinine.
@@lrivera9113its actually absolutely correct brock is trash when he doesn’t have the justice league backing him up. Last time i checked mahomes the goat is 8-1
@@yaboisoe178haha they’re 9-1 actually. But, they’re actually 9-1 in spite of Mahomes mediocre play.
Nick obviously wants to blame purdy. Im a niner fan, i watch every minute of every game. The defense is not good this year, the special teams are a abomination, Deebo can't get open, and they are among the most injured teams this year. None of that is Purdy's fault.
Nick was wrong about the bears/caleb pick, because he ignores the impact of coaching - and his wrong about Purdy for the same reason...
I'm tired of Nick Wright not being able to admit a simple fact, really good QBs don't play well if they don't have a good team around them. There are maybe a few QBs at any time that can maybe carry an injured or below average team. I'm tired of Nick and these other haters acting like this wouldn't and doesn't happen to other good QBs when their team around them is flawed.
Nick got COOKED. He has a tendency to change the context of debate mid debate whenever his theory gets debunked
Todd Gurley getting injured is why Goff started playing bad and exactly why they traded him for a better QB then went on to win the SB proving it. Goff is good 75% of the time and 25% of the time he's throwing pics over the middle and ruining games.
By nicks logic , Mahomes is also a thermometer not a thermostat. Because when the team is awesome around him he’s awesome. And when the team isn’t , he’s not. This has been the first year Mahomes doesn’t have an elite consistent receiving weapon. And look how mid his numbers are now. It’s the defense carrying the team. Purdys numbers are still literally better than mahomes lol. And Mahomes is supposed to be the new goat apparently. Goats don’t all of a sudden start putting up mid numbers
My only pullback with your statement is that the team record plays a factor in this... The fact that they we're the only underfeated team 3 days ago means something. You don't become underfeated with a thermometer quarterback
Brou cooked Nick in this debate. The graphic comparing Purdy and Mahomes was the hammer.
All this talk and no mention that the 9ers have a top 5 offense with no top 10 receivers and no cmc
Calling Drew Brees a civilian is beyond sacrilegious. I agreed with most of what Brou said this segment, but that was mad disrespectful
16:11 😭😭😭
i don’t know how nick doesn’t slip up more
because he curses some off air
Nick has been doing his best to talk Purdy's failure into existence, since the guy entered the league.
Brou be cooking Nick
Watching Brou defend Brock Purdy is like watching a fish gasp for air. Poor guy, he must be exhausted. 😂
Nick…..Wrong about bears, wrong about eagles, wrong about saquon Barkley, wrong about Jayden Daniel’s, wrong about Sam darnold, wrong about purdy….but hey he got the jets right lol
That Mathew stafford bit just blew Nick whole argument frfr
And Nick omits to mention, 49er special team literally spots the other team 7 points a game. Purdy has to overcome that every game this season.
Now that's a brilliant take from Nick: "QB looks great when team is great, not so great when the rest of them aren't great!" That would explain Patrick Mahomes' numbers and performance this year quite well, given that his numbers are worse than Purdy's. Thank god the defense is carrying Patty, right!
Brou DOMINATED Nick on this one
“You’re right that if my stat wasn’t my stat it would have been different” Wildes should have smacked him
Nick's top 3 QBs that he hates:
1. Lamar Jackson
2. Jayden Daniels
3. Brock Purdy
since when does he hate Jayden?
It's clearly Purdy #1, Lamar #2, Jalen Hurts at 3...
he also doesn't seem to hate many qb's but he definitely has like 5-6 GUYS that are his guys
@@eastmanfeatures5412He hates Jayden because of his love for Caleb
There’s no way he hates Daniels over Purdy.
@eastmanfeatures5412 Also, i didn't list these QBs in any particular order, maybe I should have. I'd have Lamar first, Purdy second, and Jayden third if that were the case
But he loves Caleb.
On the Purdy thing, why aren't they better? Idk Nick, why aren't the Bengals winning or better? 😂😂😂
No way brou said Drew Brees was a civilian and no one acknowledged it lmao
He was talking about Purdy
That's because Hating on Nick is much easier but saying Brees is a civilian is WILD for Brou
I think because as talented as that team always was, they only won 1 SB
And they lost in some playoffs they should of won, that's kind of how I was talking it...
Brou was being facetious because Nick was calling purdy that, he wasn’t genuinely calling Bree’s a civilian…
So last year Purdy had elite weapons and elite defense when winning all the time this year when losing they have above average defense (which is wrong) and above average weapons but yet they kept like 95% of the same team as last year and Purdy is to blame. Mr inconsistency at it again.
Purdy is 100 percent a top 8 qb
8:32
I hope everyone realizes what Nick is doing here...
When all the "Avengers" were playing great he used that as a knock on Purdy. But when the same "Avengers" are NOT playing great he also uses that as a knock on Purdy LMAO
This is the literal definition of a "can't win situation". When the offense is playing great Purdy doesn't get any credit for it (the opposite actually), and when the offense is playing average Purdy gets all the blame.
Amazing analysis by Nick.
Absolutely insane that of the top 10 scoring offenses all-time, only ONE won a Super Bowl.
Because good defense matters more. Great offense can and will get shut down
Purdy had 3 tds to Jennings in 1 game No aiyuk,no kittle,no deebo no cmc. Purdy is elite and the only people who cant see that are the casual football fans
1) The 13 Broncos and the 07 Pats had bad offensive performances in the SB, so thats in line with the 18 Rams. The Lions at this pace will be one of the best in terms of raw numbers. Nick makes no sense.
2) Purdy is high in QBR, EPA per play, PFF grade (which does the Wow and Yikes thing Nick likes) so not sure what his point is. The Avengers aren't there and their D isn't bailing him out like Mahomes, who he says isn't playing well either.
What games does he actually watch?
So basically what your saying is, since there performance in 1 game, doesn't make the 13 broncos or the 07 pats the best offenses we ever seen?
Cuz if you watched the 13 broncos, there's no fuckn way on paper or even through the whole year you think the lions raw numbers will be better, no way lol
Exactly when it comes to guys he doesn’t like he just makes up narratives as he goes don’t get me wrong sometimes he gives fair criticism but a lot of times it’s just hate for no reason
He only watches chiefs and Bears games. Box score watches everything else
I agree. He doesn't watch any games. How can you talk about something you don't know, and don't care to know.
Agree with brou, Brock is a good qb, a tier 2 QB. The Niners as a whole have played worse but Purdy has been keeping them afloat anyone who’s watched the film can see that. Purdy has played good all year apart from the KC game and has proved over the last 3 years that he’s CLEARLY a top 12-15 QB at the very least
Brou cooking nick 😂
Nick is becoming like Skip Bayless where he's getting very aggressive and disrespectful with Chris.
Qbs arent great without their OLine and thats been a major problem with the Niners but its all Purdys fault 😅
Purdy is out there with the practice squad. Entire team is injured. Who is going to be great in that situation. Nick hates for clicks and attention. It takes the whole team. Why is Burriw 4-7. One person can't do it all.
D- Bo is not getting in the H.O.F!!!!
Love brou but in no world is Brock Purdy on Drew Brees Level
Time will tell.
He was saying that is his peak in capability.
@@stephenzajonc4766 i know that but we are absolutely forgetting how good drew brees was.
@ - Drew was great. But look at how many seasons he had with double digit interceptions and his records every year. He was great… but he wasn’t perfect and he had a much better coach with Payton that had the entire system built around Drew.
@@stephenzajonc4766Shannahan is a better offensive mind than Sean Payton
Drew Bree’s is a pedestrian is probably Brou’s worst take
Brou is dead wrong here. And he's scrambling, you can tell. I hate to admit it but Nick was right.
How can you say Nick was right when he doesn't hold Stafford to the same standards?
I’ve literally heard this same segment a thousand times 😢
Good
If Nick was SO wrong about Caleb, maybe he should be more willing to accept he might be wrong about a QB with great numbers.
Nick got absolutely worked in this segment
Dawg I’m not a Purdy fan but Nick wants to be right on this so much he’s blind to the truth.
“That’s why I said 27… so it would be true” so you tweaked an arbitrary stat until it made your point. Ok got it.
He does it ALL THE TIME!!!
There's a saying when it comes to interpreting data: If you torture the data long enough, it will confess.
Nick is not a statistician, he has no clue how to interpret data in a way that isn't riddled with bias. He just cherry picks stats he likes and uses them to fit the narrative he's trying to present, constantly ignoring whatever disproves his argument. And he uses past performance to predict future success, which is also not how it works.
It's pathetically predictable at this point and a waste of the show's time. Instead giving game analysis, they have to waste most of the time arguing with Nick's nonsensical takes as he pulls random stats out of his hat.
@@degande-d1wyup. Can’t stand when they spend segments arguing about betting lines
Ratings are low… let’s bash Brock Purdy
To Nicks point Stafford didn’t even have “average” guys without Kupp and Puka. The only guy he had who was above average was Kyren so obviously his touchdowns will take a hit for relying on him more. Like his receiving core was Tutu, Demarcus Robinson, Davis Allen and Tyler Johnson. Jauan is better than all of those guys
I know you're referring to the Rams roster. But we can't just ignore the fact that at one point in his career that Stafford has MEGATRON. Shouldn't that be taken into account on how he even made his way to the Rams in the first place? Think of his numbers without Calvin Johnson as your WR1.
But if Stafford is a superhero as nick thinks he is then it shouldn’t fall off drastically. Staffords play should elevate the lesser receivers.
@@marlanpete08 I mean to a certain extent he’s done that throughout his years at Detroit after Megatron was gone. It didn’t result in wins but guys were getting yardage, even Tutu had a decent amount when Kupp and Puka were out. He basically got Kenny Galladay to fleece the Giants. Demarcus Robinson has been putting up career stats for himself since he got to the Rams last year. I don’t think Kupp/Puka and to a lesser extent Calvin put up the numbers they have without him. Like all that “superhero” talk is nonsense but I was just pointing out that Brou said he looked bad with average guys like Purdy while Debo, Aiyuk pre injury, Kittle and Jauan are significantly better than what the Rams had at the time.
@@montezzz8721 oh I agree I’m no Stafford hater. I’m just using nicks silly logic against him. I think staff is awesome but I not gonna put a gap between Stafford and Goff like nick has.
@@montezzz8721
Counterpoint: If Stafford is THAT good, then why does it matter?
That's the thing yall always miss in these kinda of arguments. If a player is truly so much better than another, then we shouldn't be seeing such a dramatic dive in production even if they're playing with inferior talent.
The drew Bree’s disrespect is absolutely insane (not a saints fan)
Nick needs to be on the bud list, his hatred takes quite a bit of work..nasty work
Nick is so selective and hypocritical with his arguments.
He's "not a QB wins guy" unless it comes to Patrick Mahomoes this year putting up terrible career low numbers with career high wins, then wins and "situational football" are all that matters.
He penalizes Brock Purdy for needing great weapons, but praises Stafford and Burrow even though they've never shown they can do anything without multiple great receiving weapons.
When it comes to Joe Burrow, he constantly blames the defense and kicker for losing games, when it comes to Lamar and Purdy he doesn't care if their defense plays bad or they miss kicks, he puts the loss on them.
im not gonna lie one of the most convincing brou segments
If FS1 shut down Hoang Bi that is a dumb move. He made me love this show so much more by uploading segments while I’m at work. It’s like free advertisement for the show
Nick just gets absolutely eviscerated in this argument every time. Last summer he was saying Trey Lance is better than Purdy, now he’s saying Purdy probably isn’t gonna me the Hall of Fame, goalposts couldn’t be moved further.
“When you use the Shanahan offense your passer rating gets a bump.” Nick wright defending Jordan love against purdy even tho packers run the Shanahan offense
Someone compared the 2024 Lions to the "Greatest Show On Turf" 1999 Rams team through their first 10 games, and Detroit was better in every category. Just sayin.
Yeah and 1999 nfl is completely different from todays. Goff wouldn't last a half without getting rolled out on a stretcher.
You said that to say what? Kurt was the driving force and won the mvp that year goff isn’t the strength on his team plus back then the rules wasn’t favored for the offense like it is now so this isn’t even a accurate comparison
@@kevonsidek9737Warner was also playing with multiple HOF talents. Sewell maybe the closest (in this context; being compared to Orlando Pace.)
I think St. Brown is trending to it, but right now, I don't think there's a skill position player on Detroit that's the same level of Holt or Bruce, and certainly not Faulk.