Historian Rages at Serpent Queen Season 2 Episode 1
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- (for good reasons)
Let me know what you think but if I'll stand my ground here... if you're gonna make a historical show, you might as well make sure that the people you're portraying at a certain date are STILL ALIVE...
That thumbnail says it all…’the characters are wrong…the characters are dead.’ 🤦♀️
You just put into words what we couldn’t. My husband and I love your show… thank you!
An excellent analysis. During the 70s and 80s, historical series such as the British 'The Six Wives of Henry VIII', 'Elizabeth R' and the French 'The Accursed Kings' stuck to the facts and, although they interpreted some characters' motivations in creative ways, they were pretty accurate. As such, they were highly educational and provided the young with an entertaining, enjoyable and sound knowledge of history. These modern shows have completely abandoned accuracy in favour of simplistic, over-emotional, highly sexualised 'drama' which confuses, rather than edifying, young people. It is sadly typical of today's 'dumbing down' approach to everything, from history, to culture and politics.
I can't wait for your review of 'My Lady Jane' (Amazon Prime) I promise you it is the guiltiest pleasure a historian could ever have.
She’s already done one for the first couple episodes
I’m almost glad my French history knowledge is limited so I can watch and hopefully enjoy it because I won’t be able to spot every faux pas. I too believe in artistic license but I also believe we ought to respect history and its protagonists and the role of fiction is to give them life and dialogue and not change history
Thank heavens for videos like yours! If historians don’t call out the many mistakes than we cannot believe any part of historical fiction work. What is the actual point of it??!! The real story is SO interesting you do not need to make so many errors!
Actual danger lays in portraying historical characters. This generation never studies history and they think films and series are true and what they portray is what happened.
Idk I think most know these types of shows take a lot of artistic license. If anything, more recent generations will watch a show like this and usually go look up how accurate or inaccurate the show was.
@@lindseystein9676 I highly doubt it tbh
@lindseystein9676 Agreed
Exactly this generation is akinda lazy. I am going to be honest I saw and read and watched the The Other Boleyn Girl and I wanted to research and read the true story but am an older person. This generation just does tik too clips 🙄
I personally know people who enjoy "Reign"without doing proper research and sure that Cleopatra was black thanks to so called docu series.
Thank you! I am no historian but I enjoy studying history. Watching that episode confused me to no end. Glad I wasn't the only one going "Isn't he dead"?
If you like historical accuracy and creative licence seemingly fit together so well, then we can all point to the movie "Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World" (2003) for that. It's really great, and please consider reviewing it for a History Police episode! ;-)
It is wonderful
I like how they did that With the exotic species and bugs, and then the traits of those bugs ending up helping the mission, it really kind of painted the era that master& commander took place in@@Dancestar1981
Absolument d'accord! I have the same issue with several series I have seen in past years (e.g. The Tudors, The Borgias, The Great, Sissi, The Empress and others). It is beyond irritating. I literally, keep a notepad next to me to mark down the errors - just to redirect the frustration. Narratives are immensely powerful in shaping how we teach or share history, especially memory or even national memory; which is a big concern for me atleast.
This video is exactly why I like your channel. You are a historian that understands that some creative license should be given to historical fiction to allow the producers the opportunity to make the show enjoyable and popular...BUT there are limits (as you say). I, like you, don't get why they made the choices they did. The real history of Catherine de Medici is already fascinating. Sticking to the broad facts while taking some license about unrecorded conversations or motivations is the way to with these shows. Don't get me started the Lady (Queen) Jane Grey series....I just can't with that show. - - Thank you for your fantastic, and well balanced reviews
Not to be a spoilsport, but how can you say that the timeliness in this are bad, when "Our Lady Jane" has Edward being a grown man, black, and in a wheelchair and Guilford Dudley turning into a horse? The only redeeming feature of this show is the actress who plays Catherine. She reminds me of Natalie Dormer as she acts a lot through her eyes. Her eyes tell the story.
Even though Reign is a crap show, they had the best Catherine De' Medici in Meghan Follows. She was epic. And my favorite Elizabeth I of all time was Rachel Skarsgard. She is beautiful, regal, funny, and she has the most snapping eyes when she is angry.
I'm going to watch this, because why not, but as with the Tudors, I have educated myself on Catherine de' Medici so I know when they are ridiculous! That is the beauty of these types of shows, they generate interest to find out the real facts. In a compliment to "The Tudors" were incredibly more realistic than this!
I love your channel. You are beautiful and you are smart as a whip! I watch every video and I'll continue to watch as many as you'll put out! I'm an American in body, but British in my heart.
What? Edward Vi is black in that show?
By the way, the actress who plays Elizabeth Tudor in "Reign" is named Rachel Skarsten, not Skarsgard!
I thought that was Henry VIII? But also, OLJ is as close to history as Game of Thrones, which is the point. No one thinks either are historical dramas once you get fantasy elements thrown in. If they aren't trying to show history as it "really was" as they do in historical dramas, I don't care what someone looks like. If they are, it drives me insane to have a brunette Henry and Catherine of Aragon. I keep telling myself that in Elizabeth's time, no women were on stage at all. Then again, at that point, Shakespeare is a soap opera.
At least with the Serpent Queen the costumes are historically accurate to the time period, I couldnt watch Reign because in my opinion, the costumes look like a 2010s prom dress. I honestly like both actresses , the serpent queen actress was a bit better for the role because her facial expressions are on point, her monotone voice shows a more manipulative Catherine. I like Reign actress the best on Anne of Green Gables, the 1980s Anne was the best one.
Elle, when you said you don't even know where to start, I totally agree with everything you're saying here already and haven't even been past 10 second mark, while the aesthetics of this series were intriguing, well I can't say much more other than it made me want to cry lol, I'm glad I found your channel! good day, be safe xo
I am so glad to have found your channel. Beautiful job. Thank you very much.
I’m so glad you’re here!!
I watched Season One and am ready to start Season Two. My knowledge of Sixteenth-Century history is not extensive (and what I know is more English than French), but I DO know enough to be aware that the writers took a LOT of liberties . . . perhaps following the mantra of Broomhilda, the Green-Faced Witch of American comic strips of a couple of decades ago: "History's kinda like a mixed drink; ya just keep addin' stuff to it 'til ya get it the way ya want it!" Then again, the Late, Great Professor Peter Schickele opined, "Truth is just truth; you can't have opinions about truth." Anyone who tunes in to the series for any purpose other than amusement is in for a shock - and probably disappointment. That said, I DID enjoy the first season, even as I gnashed my teeth at some of the worst offenses to the Muse of History, my candidate being the repeated use of "Holy Roman Emperor," when people of the time would merely have said "the Emperor" - because he was the ONLY one! But, that's a mere quibble in an ocean of misattributions, misstatements and downright invention. But, then, to paraphrase someone somewhere, half of the viewers love the show and half of them hate the show, but one hundred per cent of them WATCH the show.
The solution is simple: If you can't stand historical inaccuracy, then stay away from shows like "The Serpent Queen".
I love these shows because they force you to research these historical figures.
If they do then yes :)
Agree 100%! We haven’t had an accurate version of so many of these stories-can we get that first, before you go off the deep end of dumb? And nothing needs to be modernized-everything was created in the era it lives for a reason. But “modernizing” history is an oxymoron! 😅One of the main reasons people are drawn to it is because it was so dissimilar to the present. I cringed so hard when one of the Guise’s actually said “easy-peasy lemon squeezy.” WTF? Whoever wrote that should be fired immediately. Stuff like that and the modern music, with lyrics about driving (hello?! It’s 1572) just rip me right out of the world, so the whole escapism aspect I used to love about period films is just gone. It’s just like watching a bunch of modern people with weird taste in clothes.
Catherine was a badass queen bc she navigated through a court full of intelligent men, not a house of whiny, dumb perverts. This is really a very bad attempt.
My sister and I watched episode one and I was like I'm no historian but this is all over the place. Facts can be incorporated with entertainment. I think the showrunners forgot that.
The real history itself is “juicy” enough to recreate what really happens. I don’t understand why they feel the need to remove it altogether!
THIS!
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! Thank you for doing this critique! Much appreciated.
You are right To be demanding with such a show!
I was so confused watching the first episode. I kept asking myself, “ what am I missing?”
Thank You 🙌🏼👏🏼
I watch videos from people I trust, like you, not the distorted historical dramas of this generation. Accurate information and my imagination are all I need. Thanks.
Your video is mildy entertaining, so I prefer watching the series, which is extremely fun.
What a silly thing to say. Anyway, It's clear that you're true to your character. Best of luck!
I LOVE this show, I don’t even care if it’s not accurate lol SO GOOD
I think keeping too close to fact gives too much documentary so I don’t mind AT ALL 😅
The series was not only inaccurate historically, it completely failed as a compelling piece of fiction.
i know am late to this but the reason why we love period dramas is the love for history and historical escapism. we already love it because of how it played out , why film makers these days go out to switch up everything and disregard the truth is annoying. and this modern twist they bring into it utter nonsense . we want the dialogue ,the historical mannerism, something the russians and turkish do well.
I hate artistic license - for the most part. I want to see history. I want to see the production as close to the period as possible. If you want fictional drama - like you stated - do not use specific people. I might try a program for a moment but if it goes off on a modern tangent, I am out. Then I find the real story. Thank you.
Well said.
Marie de Medici had a life that may have been gratifying on some levels, but much of it was spent loving a foolish man.
I think in the case of the duke de guise, it would have been too confusing and complicated to introduce his son the new duke because we are already familiar with François
Documentaries.
I totally agree with your analysis. The script should have aligned more with history. It would have made the series more interesting. However, I will continue to watch, as the actor's portrayals are so compelling.
I loved your reaction in this one mam thanks for this video
We don't even tell it like it is when it's happening. You want TV to be truthful in 2024?
Ha true
It's like 1562 to 1571 never happened 🤭 But then they have Elizabeth I and Catherine meet in a future episode, so... 😂. I will still watch it.
Do yall have this problem with historical fiction novels as well? Me personally I understand you want accuracy. But these shows get people to look up these times in history where they do learn what really happened. I enjoy shows like these for the entertainment and then I do my deep dives into these real life people. Which is how I found this video. I wish you all the best. And just hope you can also see it from a different perspective as well. 💜
I understand what you’re saying and I agree with you to some extent. But perpetuating dark legends just for entertainment isn’t good practice. Keeping getting dates and events wrong is also problematic if you do HISTORICAL fiction. That’s my view :)
I don’t mind inaccuracies such as actors accents or races, hairstyles, sometimes costuming, dialogue obviously has to be invented. That’s all fine, but I prefer general timelines of major historical events are followed.
Feels like more and more historical shows are going this bridgeton route. Then it was that Catherine the great joke, and now this, in trying to make women look strong..they are making us look like jokes
Everyone needs to chill out. Entertainment does not equal education, these stories are inspired by history not a documentation of them. I watch these shows and then go through the real facts and realize the shows bring more drama than actual events which i asume is the point for what is essentially a consumer product. Real historical facts in drama ends up with shows with too many characters to care about any of them.
I do believe the main thing of this is that they've stuck close to history... but shifted everything back approximately 10 years.
I 100 percent agree, entertainment is one thing but why use the names of real people!? I had this same issue with My Lady Jane and got so much heat for this for the same reasons you said. But there are so many people who believe these events are relatively accurate even if fictional. It goes beyond creative license to becoming modern day slander
Just don’t use their names and say it’s vaguely based on…
I do agree that certain facts should be upheld (dob, doa, etc.). However I think there is a need to make it entertaining, eye catching, and exciting. For example, I watched the Tutors on Showtime maybe 10 years ago now…and completely fell in love with learning about the Tudor period. We can’t deny the need for some fantasy. I love your videos❤
I'm fascinated by 16th-century history--especially Elizabeth I, Catherine de Medici, and Mary Queen of Scots. I've read biographies of all three women and have found watching this series..." a challenge". As you said, the cast is incredible, but the scripts are CRAZY BAD, and the fact that the show-runners have opted not to do ANY research into the characters and timelines is painfully lazy!!
i really have big beef with historical fiction shows most people belive its legit and then you have people claiming fake stuff as real
This!
I couldn't get into the first episode of the show and I didn't watch the whole show. It was hard for me to get into Serpent Queen.
Agree!
Right?! Where are the kids we don’t see?
Can you do Queen Margot (1994/2014) next?
My biggest problem with historical dramas ever since 2020 is this (if we can be able to ignore the insufferable inaccuracy entirely) how little they try to make us connected to these historical figures, how little they try to give emotional weight and instead we're given more of a dark comedy theater. it's something I can say about both Serpent Queen and Mart&George
anywho, I think this is the first time I've seen you getting angry upon watching a historical drama😁😁😁
I base my opinion of her on Jean Plaidy’s novel and her daughter Marguerite’s memoirs.
I'm sure they wrote it that way because they believed it would make more money than a historically accurate version. Somewhere between pathetic and absurd.
This was ticks me off about historical media. The ones making the show get so much wrong! How much you want to bet that dress Princess Margot wears in the beginning is like not even in style for 20 years
Historical fiction should still be historical 😂
At least don’t keep people alive when they’re dead in the YEAR you set your show in! Haha
they did the exact same thing with The Great
The Great was really funny. I suppose like Lady Jane, I am enjoying it because it does not claim to be true history.
The show looks cheap, all filmed at Chambord and with a limited cast - the French court seems to consist of about 20 people. It’s a shame because Catherine de Medici was a fascinating character who lived a dramatic and turbulent life. I would love to see a serious TV show about Catherine and her times
Don’t forget the historically inaccurate DEI actors!!!
whats sad its just about greed from the studios. they dont have any respect for anything
The second episode was not much better.
The necromancer brought them back from the dead that why. lol think you forgot which part of history he brought them back!
Why can’t they just make it as right as possible for educational purposes?
If you wanna know about history, then go watch the history channel. This is an entertainment channel.😂
I liked season 1 but 2 is disappointing. I try to be open but this was disappointing. Her past was interesting and mind blowing! Doesn’t make sense. Update: I am on episode 3 now of season 2 and I am enjoying it more now! The acting is just so good. I like Minnie Driver as Elizabeth and I am happy Diane is back because she is also an enigma to watch. I know that most of it is far fetched but I am trying to enjoy it for what it is and I find I keep coming back.
Sad
I haven't watched this show because I don't have that streaming service but I had thought it looked good. How disappointing that it not accurate.
Vive la Reine Catherine, si injustement considérée comme un être malveillant.
It’s whole a lot going on in the show it’s was hard for me to follow a bit which I had to watch few times
Just crap. I don't call this a historical drama but a retelling.
Yes!
It isn’t supposed to be a historical accurate show, with all the facts 10000% correct. the sooner y’all understand that and internalize that the better
I hate shows like this!
Yeah not very good.. tried to see.. nope
Just avoid these stupid shows. They're all garbage. Some so called documentaries aren't much better. Choose with care.
Trash show bad acting stop defending bad acting. I rather watch a documentary
Off topic, but you have fantastic hair
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