Since this video just got promoted by Spookydood, i thought I'd add some further thoughts to this that I never added in the video. 1. The "Core Theory" is LITERALLY the concept that Gaster is attempting to rewrite the ending of Deltarune. Yes, there's more details, elaboration regarding what the Player's role in the story is, etc, but that is the core idea of the theory. 2. Everything I have said about the Angel representing the 'original author' of the story trying to stop Gaster is mere speculation - yes, it is interesting, and could tie into the theory and give it higher stakes, but it isn’t part of the core theory itself. 3. In retrospect, I think the theory is a little too charitable to Gaster. He certainly has his own agenda that he wants to carry out. One last note - as of the time of making this comment, I'm currently in the process of writing the script for my next theory. The theory will be about solving who the Knight is - and I'll be working on the theory with another person. Expect it to come out within the next few months. Anyhow, thanks for stopping by, i guess.
Using the player’s desire to save asriel and most people’s care for him to make the player care for ralsei and thus this world is a big brain move by gaster
I really like the theory that Susie and Ralsei are slowly switching roles. Susie learned the Ultimate Heal and Ralsei has at least 2 scarfs that lower his healing and ups damage, and while Susie is learning how to be nice Ralsei is learning how to not be always too nice to the foes.
One small theory I have is that Ralsei will learn a fire spell, probably called Fireshock, since it was mentioned fireshock existing in Dragon blazers, Toby mention a character originally having a fire spell, but was cut, and the dreamurrs are heavenly associated with fire.
@@waluigiisthebest2802 Sooo chapter 3 will be less history driven, right? Then it'll have more intense battles, so maybe Ralsei learns in chapter 3 that pacifism is not always the answer, and the one who teaches him that ironically is Toriel.
Are you sure who actually would learn that spell wont be Toriel? I am 99% sure she will end up in dark world in ch.3 and unless she become damsel in distress and you end up trying to rescue her, she will most likely be part of team for at least part of this dark world.
It would be funny, after all the years of theorising about Gaster, he would just appear at the end of the last chapter like "Hey Kris, it's me the head doctor Gaster. Have you met my children yet?"
"Oh my god! Kris look! It's my University Dean! Mr. Gaster!" "HELLO KRIS I HAVE HEARD OF YOUR GOOD DEEDS I WILL GIVE YOU A FITTING REWARD. PLEASE. DO NOT TRY THAT AGAIN"
I agree that Gaster is not going to be evil after all is said and done. One thing that stood out to me in Undertale is how every character or setting that's initially set up as evil or ominous is ultimately subverted to become wholesome in some way: Asgore is initially introduced as an evil king that murders humans only to become king fluffy buns, Undyne is a scary knight cloaked in shadow that chases us around but turns out to be a true hero fighting for justice and rather goofy and funny; the true lab and amalgamates are initially very creepy but they turn out to be monsters in pain that ultimately have a happy ending when they're reunited with their families and everyone welcomes them with open arms. I believe Gaster and all the ominous stuff that surrounds him will have a similar twist that makes him sympathetic and wholesome in some way too in the end.
I've never understood why most people haven't thought that this could be the case. Although Toby, who likely anticipated this turnaround for the character, may have subverted this idea of Gaster having some bit of levity as we see time and time again our interactions with Gaster are more archaeic and creepy, and so may be pulling the wool over our eyes as Gaster becomes a full villian. However since most people already have this weird view of Gaster, this may have paradoxically made Toby write him back into a goofball to keep us on our toes. Who knows, all of this is conjecture.
6:08 this menu has NOT been replaced! it is still in the game, but it can only be accessed at the start of Chapter 1, before you complete the first Chapter - after you complete it, it is replaced with the normal menu [this is also the same case for Chapter 2, which has the Great Door before you complete the Chapter in the Chapter 2 SAVE Menu].
It is good to note that with gasters association with yhe numbers 6, and some of his stats outright being 666, the number of the devil, toby is trying to paint gaster as a devil figure, which would make sense if he were to stand in direct opposition to the angel What some people dont know, is that toby has done this before. While undertale was in development, one promotional material that read "dont let asgore take your soul" and a shadowy figure with a red trident and horns clearly trying to associate asgore with the devil. Only to subvert it in undertale, where he is portrayed as a tragic but loving character.
The number 6 isn't exactly just 'the number of the devil.' The number 6 is in some ways the Uncanny Valley. While the number 7 represents completion, fullness, and purity, the number 6 represents something that is almost complete, but not quite there. Clouded by sin, and thus, it represents the human condition. Although, when you factor in Gaster being shattered across time and space and falling into his own creation, this... starts to become so much more interesting, doesn't it?
@@WeaselWeaselW it isnt just number 6 though, its that his stats are just number 6 repeating, which to me feels like an allusion to the number of the beast, that being 666
i think these readings both make sense and I have to note that the meanings of the numbers 6 and 7 TRX mentioned sound a lot like omega Flowey and hypergod Asriel respectively.
@@WeaselWeaselW also the meanings of 6 and 7 you mentioned can be seen in 2 places in undertale, 6 human souls who arent enough to shatter the barrier, and our 6 main characters who arent really happy with their lives. Both of these groups are complete when frisk comes into the picture.
While I can’t say I’m inclined to believe the theory as a whole, the broad strokes (especially “Gaster isn’t antagonistic” and “Ralsei is the success where the secret bosses are failed trials”) are definitely on my own theory list. It’s certainly better than most other full game theory videos out there… Also, my own personal theories for the ranking: Papyrus will wear a fedora, but otherwise have nothing in common with Horrible Beta Papyrus Knight Mayor Every single Jaru theory will be incorrect
I've always felt like Gaster was never supposed to be a part of this world, or the prophecy. The way the intro sequence and file selection menu just stand out so harshly against the rest of the game reminds me of using mods in an otherwise immersive game. It's like he invaded the world with his own programs, to cause an anomaly that will allow for choices to lead to different outcomes.
that explains why all the file names relating to the goner maker uniquely start with DEVICE_ (And the smile image if my memory serves correctly, not sure the reason for that)
To bring this to its logical conclusion: if the “Angel” is the original author, then it would stand to reason that to fight the angel we would have to fight the creator of this world, the one who created it. I am of course, referring to Toby Fox himself. If this theory is true then at the end of the game we end up fighting Toby Fox as the final boss and that is pretty sick
@@friedtoads13Yeah he’s just waiting for teleportation to come out so that when in 20 years deltarune chapter 7 is complete so will teleportation so he teleports us to have a real battle with Toby fox. This is of course going to be impossible to win since Toby fox is going to have complete control of our mind and could easily win if he just told me “WD gaster will die and never come back.”
One thing a lot of people seem to know yet overlook is Toby's fondness of JRPGs. Yes, of course he loves them and they have shaped his sense of humor, his interests, and his creations. But do you know one trope JRPGs, and in fact a lot of Japanese games of various genres, love? *Angels being huge malicious bastards* A title comes into my mind: Shin Megami Tensei. While many angels and angelic/lawful entities are on our side, a lot of them are bosses you end up fighting and their motives are quite evil, I am talking reshaping reality into a realm of eternal bliss when your only option is praising God, aka a world where your choices don't even exist, let alone matter. Hell, in at least one game you end up against the actual Abrahamitic God, and in a lot of games an optional boss is the Demiurge, a cruel not-god that nonetheless rules reality (gnostic beliefs are complicates, ok?). With all the talk about the Angel's Heaven and the Roaring, which is the end of the world under another name, why are people so convinced the guy with demonic parallels is the bad guy? JRPGs and Japanese games have a lot of examples of demonic characters or characters eith demonic ancestry being the good guys (ever heard of Devil May Cry? One plot twist from the first game is that the demon clone of the protagonist's mother gains a soul and becomes a good person), but the examples of angelic characters being good, while extant, are rarer. If anything, it seems to me Gaster is more of a callous scientist with good intentions, rather than an evil mastermind.
Honestly, another thing a lot of people forget is that Gaster is a *scientist* and yeah he may very well likely be the mad variety of scientist, but there are other kinds. Like the professional one that sets up an experiment with variables (Jevil, Spamton, Noelle most likely) and then lets the events unfold, or the one that is actually very decent in the end like, uh, Professor GAST Faremis from Final Fantasy VII, who may have started the whole Jehovah project but ultimately rejected it for being too damn weird and dangerous and decided to instead live with his love and protect his family.
@@mrperson4542I mean, you can RECRUIT enemies in Chapter 2, unlike SMT however you can't use them in bat- wait that's literally what happened with Susie. She was an enemy, you recruited her and she is now part of your team.
I think one foretelling that Gaster isn't going to be an outright villain is how patiently he responds to you naming the vessel after yourself, even though you can see it clearly gets under his skin. That tells us whatever his goals are, they're beyond just his desires.
wait he does? i just remember him saying “of course they are one in the same” ive been naming them goner lately though so my memory might be kinda fuzzy
Personally whenever I see a theory, I compare it to fanfiction, i call this "the fanfic test" If it makes since and is coherent enough to be written there will be fics that use some elements of the idea. This checks out. There are fics that use this exact idea, right down to gaster creating Ralsei, previous DR world dying, Gaster creating the fountain, ect.
@@realawesomeos yeah. I remember a really good fanfic called 'Someone Else's Hands' which played with the idea that Gaster was the one that created Ralsei and the Prophecy, and it grappled with his purposelessness. But that's the only one I'm aware of
Gaster, in taking over the Twitter, directly mirrored what happened when Flowey took control before Undertale released. So why are we supposed to believe he's either the good guy or bad guy? He might be both, in the way Flowey was. But with his own twist.
Yeah. River Person says to 'beware the man who speaks in hands.' Even if he has good intentions, we should still be suspicious of his nature - perhaps he has ulterior motives.
@@WeaselWeaselW It's super duper meta if the theory in your video is accurate. An author (the angel) vs a fanfiction writer (gaster) battling for control over this world of light and dark, using characters from that world to do so. (It is like a game of chess, in a way)
@@WeaselWeaselW Gaster could definitely end up being a sort of antihero rather than a villain if what he wants is ultimately good, but he isn't afraid to "break a few eggs" to make it happen.
Great Video! I really enjoy this more virtuous portrayal of Gaster instead of a malicious, creepy one like the fandom portrays him quite often. The theory may be speculative at times but its great nonetheless, good job! Personally, I believe a fragment of Gaster is trapped in the Depths after being fragmented across time and space, and his goal is to be freed and reconnect with his other fragments to be whole again. While I don't think he will be malicious or evil, I think Toby may choose a more Machiavellian approach to his goal of reconnection (Killing or purging the world in the Roaring perhaps). And utilizing the meta aspects of the game, using Us/The Player to further his goals without compassion towards the world and its characters, to which we prove him wrong like Toby himself intended. ("There's something more important than reaching the end", Gaster's plan for us being the end and connecting with the world and its characters being the more important thing). I will do a video on it in-depth sooner or later on my channel, but feel free to include it in your future video or inquire me about the theory if you want to know something! Good luck on your future uploads, they're great!
Yeah Gaster definitely isn't 100% good. But no one is - honestly characters without flaws boring to me. One thing that immediately sticks out is Gaster's disregard for Darkners, but Gaster’s character has barely been explored yet. We are probably going to see more in future chapters.
@TRX1686 Yeah, I personally believe Gaster's personality will lean into the "Mad scientist with a disregard for life" trope (Hence the disregard for Darkners or the world of DELTARUNE by my theory.) He won't be 100% evil, just like any other character by Toby, but I do personally believe he'll wind up as an antagonist to us by the end after our "deal" with him is broken.
@NormalOval He wants Us alive during the Roaring, because we need to "banish the Angel's Heaven" and free him to fullfill our end of the deal (His end of the deal is giving us a fun game/story). But that's what I think anyway. I'll explain the theory in-detail on my channel pretty soon.
@@NormalOval I don't really think this can be made into a good argument. In fact, Gaster's typer value (and other things in the code) being related to the Number of the Beast shows his true nature to us but unknowingly to him, because you wouldn't see this on the surface playing the game, but rather looking into the code. Besides, I don't think it matters much to Gaster whether we know his true intentions or not yet, we already know that we have a deal or some sort of agreement with Gaster, but 2 Chapters in, we don't even know what the true deal is, which is why we as a fanbase theorize about Gaster.
Oh my gosh it's here! I've been waiting for this one for while. The moment that I read the original theory (the doc), it felt like it just worked for the game since not only does it complement my research concluding that Deltarune is likely gonna be a deconstruction of going too deep into fiction, but gaster being used as part of that deconstruction similar to how flowey was used as a way to deconstruct the idea of detaching yourself from a fictional world in Undertale, it felt so compelling to me. Although there are some parts of this theory that I am a bit iffy on, I am intrigued. I do agree with the idea that the second voice is the original "author" of Deltarune but a bit iffy on them being the angel. I could see the idea of an original "author" and a "fanfic" writer being in opposition with each other, and how it would make for such a climactic metanarrative if done right, plus having to witness all of that stuff within the fiction itself. Gosh I can only imagine how Deltarune could pull that off. Am I sounding a little deranged? Maybe? But yeah, needless to say, I like this theory! 👍
Given the Music Video toby helped with and pushed at us, I think the genuinely believe what works best with Deltarune’s theme of ‘creativity via stories/games/conspiracies/religion impacting your real world’ is straight up that ‘Gaster’ was a character in Dess’s favourite video game, love (slash creativity with a pinch of magic) made his existence “real”, he tried to escape his game to the real world to find her, after several screw ups and worlds is now a Determination Remnant Goop who has done Unspeakable Things by this point in his desperation. He had the (probably Ice-E) conspiracy theory bigfoot monster go get Dess cus it could obey the laws of this reality (due to people thinking it might be literally real) as opposed to him trapped in the AU realm of “That Freaky Locked Bunker We Tell Ghost Stories And Theorise About”, and now Dess is stuck between realms, neither fully real or fictional (metaphor for remembering the dead). Maybe Dess is used specifically because she herself is on that boundary of real or story cus of the whole Santa’s Reindeer thing. The ship name would be Dessaster for god’s sake - as in disaster. Toby’s a fandom nerd, I refuse to believe he’d let that go. Moral of story, creativity is good and positive, but you can’t go too far and let fictional worlds and people (and loves) swallow your life, or leave you unable to tell the difference between fiction and reality.
Here's a hypothesis Most people attribute the reference to the number 6 to it being a reference to the mark of the beast in the Holy Bible. But what if it was instead a reference to the number 9? We know 999 (iterating) is basically infinity unless you want to use the actual infinity symbol. We also know Gaster was split across timelines and universes. What if his 999 were flipped to show it's another perspective, one that we can't experience but that we know it's there? Again, just a hypothesis because I have nothing to prove it, but it's still a fun thought
(SPOILERS) There are some parallels with the game 999 too, like a character with a name linked to Christmas (Santa/Noelle) having a sibling named after a month (June, December) who was lost/likely lost in an incident involving extreme temperatures (burnt in an incinerator/frozen to death maybe, not confirmed but it's possible), and in Undertale the whole SAVE/LOAD feature works near identical to the SHIFT feature in the whole Zero Escape series (they are both means to explain saving and reloading as a thing that people can actually do in the plot and is, in fact, a key factor to make the plot work). Also, there is literally a guy named Delta-
I know that typer value 2 is used as a general tense moment override for multiple characters, but I still believe that it isn't Gaster that discards the vessel mainly based on how the Japanese translation handles the dialogue in the character creator. Toby is known to have been a major contributor to translating both Undertale and Deltarune into Japanese, so it strikes me as very interesting that the lines using typer 666 use different second-person honorifics from typer 2, as well as typer 666 being written in kanji and katakana while the lines in typer 2 are in kanji and hiragana. This doesn't really prove anything, and if anything, it could be an error on Toby's part when translating the game. But even so, I just get a different vibe from the last couple of lines than I do for the rest of the goner maker segment. I know this is entirely tangential to your theory as a whole, but I just wanted to put a bit of extra evidence out there towards the two voices theory, even if it's still inconclusive. Also, I sourced this particular post on tumblr to get my facts straight, and it likely goes into more detail than I did here, though I do not agree with their conclusion at all. suzyundertale.tumblr.com/post/180226681657/in-the-beginning-of-deltarune-as-you-may-know
Some dude works hard for his fellow people to power and support everybody and researches how to save them from their punishment, accidently falls into his creations leading to his ‘death’ scattering him across various planes of existence, and now he is evil? Like guys he didn’t do anything wrong.
I Guess W.D Gaster is evil idea is semi-cope for the fact that In undertale and deltarune's both Genocide and Weird routes WE the player are the ones actually making things worse in some shape and/or form
He’s literally heavily accsociated with the devils number & his own followers are scared of him. The notion of him being evil didn’t come form nowhere, mate. Sure he was prolly a good guy at first, but I wouldn’t be surprised if working with darkness or studying dark worlds made him more evil or insane in a way, cuz both King & Queen in deltarune went crazier after the dark fountains opened in their world.
@@sahilhossain8204that’s not true at all. There’s always been things that pointed towards Gaster being malovelent. Though it is true that we are evil for playing genocide/weird routes, most of it has absolutely nothing to do with Gaster, and wouldn’t really change if Gaster is evil or not.
Funny enough I've had a similar, but far less developed, theory for a while now. I usually see people talk about Gaster being a villain, but I don't think he is. He's a scientist with little regard for ethical violations, but with good intentions. Thus, I think the prophecy is his hypothesis. If [Three Heroes] during [The Roaring], then [Banish the Angel's Heaven], and we're a new variable added to test this hypothesis. If he ever does appear onscreen, he'll refer to "You" and "Kris" as entirely unrelated entities. Hell, "Your choices don't matter" might be a secondary hypothesis he's testing in tandem. If the universe is deterministic, what happens when you introduce something from outside of the universe?
i find the ideaof the angels heaven to be interesting. If the dark worlds are representative of espacism or fantasy, then perhaps the lesson to be learned is that delving too deeply into fantasy is a bad idea. The darkworlds can help Kris and Suzie and Noel yes, but they can also harm them. If we distract ourselves in fantasy, we ignore the real world, the LIGHT world. and this causes our lives to fall apart. I experienced this first hand in 2021. I used to distract myself with games and movies and food instead of doing the hard work of improving my life IRL. I have banished the Angels Heaven and now live in the LIght. I don't think this will be the eultamite message of the game however. As The dark worlds DO HELP Kris and others learn more about themselves and help them grow as people in the light worlds. BUT. I think the message will be something like all things in moderation, and that one dark fountain is fine, but too many and the world goes to shit. Distracting yourself with fun and games os good and can be useful, as long as you don't get lost in the fantacy.
That’s what Side B may entail, since we’d be trying our best to break away from Gaster’s prophecy. However, we def won’t be able to “win” a fight such as that since Gaster could just disconnect us from the world.
A Gaster fight wouldn't be necessary. If he wants to defeat us, he can simply remove us from the save file, so the only realistic way of fighting him is if he wanted to 'test' us.
i would like to say; i think the second voice is not gaster, because you need to think about it the other way around. gaster’s speech style is exclusive to all caps, and he has strange pauses and uses. uh. smart man language idk. we don’t know exactly who it is for sure yet, but we do know it’s not gaster. toby wouldn’t differentiate the text if he didn’t want to give the idea of a different voice. otherwise amazing video!!!! i love this
Great video! I love the idea that this is all Gaster's elaborate fix it fic. While this video gives Gaster a more benevolent interpretation, I could also see a more sinister angle this could go down. Flowey is a completionist gamer taken to it's extreme so maybe Gaster could be a fan taken to their extreme. Someone who isn't just invested but also possessive. In the same way an obsessive fan has no respect for the boundaries or choices of the author maybe Gaster has no respect for the agency of the characters. When he finally manages to overthrow the angel with the player's help, he then goes "this is my world now" and doesn't just stop at changing the ending but also changes the lives of the characters to suit his desires. Not to say that he has to be evil but just that this is another possibility working under the same framework.
I like the fresh take on how Gaster is actually good. And there's some sound logic here, so it could definitely happen. I guess to suggest a small theory of my own... Kris created the chapter 3 dark fountain because Seam said that the Lighteners wouldn't be able to beat the next secret boss without the shadow mantle. So Kris was like "Well, let's make a boss ourselves, maybe we'll have a chance." (Ik the secret bosses aren't done by everyone, but then why do you have access to the items if you beat the boss on another save file? I take that as making the secret bosses canon without giving the player OP items for free) If I had the know-how and time, I would have made a video of this, but I don't sadly X]
I think this guy is a time traveller. This really sounds like one of the most plausible endings for Deltarune. I actually had a similar theory about the previous iteration of Deltarune (but not necessarily that it's a time loop like some people say), and I'm really glad to see someone else believe the same thing. There's actually quite a bit of evidence for it inside the game, and I've even used to it explain how it's possible for Sans to have come from Deltarune (which is strongly hinted at), without Deltarune necessarily being a "prequel".
1:33 wait… it’s labeled as “myself” implying Gaster was the one to make this or that these stats are for the annoying dog instead…or maybe they’re one in the same?!
You can still get to the spooky bare-bones save menu in the current patch, you just need to have fresh save data for the game. Survey Program also has the different save menu after you beat it.
Well, to be fair, community made gaster look like he was a bad guy, where the f*ck does it says he's a bad guy?, He made the determination machine and experimented with monsters by asgores petition, something no one can say no because asgore is more than capable of punishing you.
the change to typer value two could also hint at leaving the dark world, similar to the change in ui and coloured portraits when going too and from the dark world
My personal theory is that Kris is Chara, or rather some iteration of the first fallen human. This is because of the many similarities between the too characters. They are both asriel’s adopted sibling, they both have a thing for sweets and chocolate. They wear the same sweater, they both have a fascination with knives, they both are shown to be mischievous in a way and most importantly they both have that same theme of rejecting your control as the player. If it gets revealed that Kris has some kind of distain for humanity then it’s confirmed 100% kris and chara have to be related somehow.
As chara is technically not outright confirmed (chara being the “truename” *could* be a meta joke) it is very possible that they are simply alternate versions of each other charas pale skin and blank eyes being able to be explained away by them doing dead
I quite like the idea of this theory, but I sure hope he doesn't lock our save file into place permanently. Even if we can't access it anymore, it would suck to beat the game 3 times and then never be able to play it again because there's only 3 save files, all of which are taken and can't be deleted. Maybe if the save is deleted from our files but the narrative implies Gaster is simply taking that file away so we can't reset it and ruin it, thus opening up a free save slot as if we deleted it.
Y'know, this theory kind of reminds me of Neon Genesis Evangelion, with the idea of rejecting a "perfect dream world" to live in reality, or something along those lines, perhaps?
We can deduce that he was also experimenting with Souls/Determination considering the fact that the only confirmed way that we know to bring forth Darkness is through the use of Determination. Also, he was the Royal Scientist. It’d be *weird* if he wasn’t working on a way to get around the Barrier at some point.
@@mrperson4542 Warning: I got carried away and did a shot Ron of theory crafting, the 3rd paragraph and onwards is all theory I think Yea but if he was working with dt to find a way out wouldn't there be something to show for it? Alphys is the one who built the dt extractor, so it seems pretty clear and dry that gaster wouldn't have had a way to even get the dt out And while determination is the only way to make a dark fountain, in the deltarune universe, everyone has determination, from humans to monsters they can all stab the earth to create a dark fountain, also, queen never talked to any lightners, and still knew that determination was the power that created the world, and also knew that all lightners possessed it, and if she knew this right off the bat, for. Gaster he would also just need a simple observation The stuff about him being shattered across time and space and the line about it being rude to talk to those who are listening seems to imply gaster has some form of omnipotence From what we see in the goner maker and other gaster related things in deltarune it's possible his omnipotence across time and space allowed him to look into the universe of deltarune, oraybw the universe of deltarune could provide a backstory for gaster instead Maybe gaster originated from deltarune, and found the creation of dark fountains, and some sort of experimentation with dark fountains lead to a split in the universe or something Like he made a dark fountain outside, covering the world in darkness, leading to a creation of the world with a much more somber history Monsters and humans are at war asgores children are both dead, his adopted child was a little sphycopath, alphys horribly mutilated dying people, etc etc This would explain the "darker darker yet darker" line as he enters the world he made, paralleling his own to find a very litteraly, much darker reality, his next experiment being perhaps a way to fix the world, maybe the barrier is just an exit to somewhere the darkness isnt? Maybe the ending with chara destroying the world is just them using determination to will the world into finally being consumed by the dark, and the return is chara banishing the light with all the power you gained Simmilarly maybe the need for 7 souls is because of how massive the world is ? Again I'm gonna emphasize this is just a theory, and I've been theorizing for maybe 30 minutes now, I got quite carried away after I started thinking of what gaster may have done to be in his circumstance, anyways please consider
@@mrperson4542 also Side note First off if you didn't read any of the first comment because of length, the ladder 2/3 is just theories, just read the first paragraph and you'll get the idea Secondly, that machine in sans' house may have been an attempt to get past the barrier, teleportation perhaps? Timetravel? Particle accelerator? That or maybe the core could have been a way of trying to artificially make the power needed to break the barrier
@@No.1RatedSalesman You’re forgetting that the DT Extractor’s *blueprints* aren’t from Alphys herself. Also, I heavily doubt that Gaster (at least the Gaster we talk to at the start of the game) is from DR. Everything we know about him is so throughly rooted in his role as the Royal Scientist in UT. Heck, both UT and DR are trademarked under *Royal Sciences LLC.*
mmm.... this makes me wonder, is really weird ralsei knows a lot about the bad things that happen after chapter 2, and i think your theory is right, this happened before, i think the true question is... with who? asriel, dees and the goner? i mean, what if the reason they are missing is that they were the original deltawarriors and failed?
@@mrperson4542 i was just making a funny joke, also, that's not what i meant, one option is, yes, ralsei got this information from gaster, the option i am considering however is that ralsei didn't got this info by gaster but experience it first hand by the, speculation, 3 original deltawarriors, what i am trying to say is that kriss, sussy and ralsei are a second generation deltawarrior of this world, and that asriel, dess and goner are the first one
@@Keyshooter I don’t see why that’d be the case. There’s nothing particularly suggesting that Kris and Susie weren’t the Delta-Warriors for Take 1. There’s the unused opening where Susie calls out to Kris as if they had felled in battle and there’s also the fact that Gaster refers to Kris, Susie, and Noelle as “very, very wonderful” people. And besides, the Vessel only exists because of *us* and we were never brought into the world for Take 1. As a result, the Vessel cannot have been a part of Take 1.
Something I've been curious about for a while now is the possibility of a Gaster from Deltarune's universe existing; in the case of Gaster being the one who created that universe, do you think he would put a version of himself in there? After all, since he wouldn't have had to build the CORE, he couldn't have been erased from existence, right? And this would pose an even bigger question if he didn't actually make the Deltarune universe
This is the same question I brought to light in one of WeaselWeaselW community post. Currently, my assumptions are that there are 2 gasters, And DR!Gaster will be a mad scientist, or at least be the one behind the bunker stuff down in hometown.
UT Gaster was never erased from existence, that’s just an assumption that the Fandom made. If he was erased, why did Asgore wait so long to replace him? Also, i don’t see what indicates that UT Gaster made the world of DR. If he made it, why the heck does he need our help to change its ending?? Instead, I think the only thing that UT Gaster made to any extent was his DEVICE (and the Goner Maker if it doesn’t include that). The world of DR is not fake, but the Player’s connection to the world is indeed artificial as we are not a natural part of that world.
Ok, but the problem with Gaster being the second voice doesn't stop at the typer value difference. The speaking style is also completely different, no longer using all capitals. This is further evident in the JP version, where Gaster exclusively uses katakana and kanji with very formal wording, whereas the second voice uses hiragana and kanji with informal wording.
i believe the exact typer value for the "second voice" means literally nothing. i mean, the text formatting is based on the typer value, and in order to change the formatting, he had to use a different typer value. it's that simple.
The part in both this and the doc is not touched on in regards to the secret bosses: The shadow crystals. I don't think it's Gaster speaking to them broke their mind like eldritch knowledge would.(And to a darkner, it /would/ be eldritch knowledge.) You could maybe get away with that with Jevil, but with Spamton... Something else 'speaks' to Spamton in the shop, even threatens him from saying too much. That doesn't sound like something Gaster would do. Nor giving the secret bosses shadow crystals. Add to Spamton being part of the weird route (and thus throwing things off Gaster's intended course) makes me think it isn't Gaster messing with them. Yes, people say the "garbage noise" is "Gaster noises", but that could very well be interference from something, maybe the dark fountain or something related to it. Let's look at some of Spamton's lines: * [[Amazed at thi5 amazing transformation? You too can]] HAVE A [[Communion]] WITH [[Unintelligble Laughter]] ----- * SPEAKING OF [[Communion]] * KRIS, DID YOU KNOW THAT THE KNIGHT... * No, I'm sorry! I'm sorry! I didn't mean to -- ----- This implies it is an entity working with The Knight that Spamton had a "communion" with.
Spamton’s shadow crystal wasn’t on him originally, it originated from the NEO body. Also we don’t know what’s going on when Spamton suddenly shuts up about the Knight, but its *very* unlikely that the “strange someone” that contacted them was them as whoever it is had to have been able to talk to them *before* the creation of their respective worlds. Only Gaster would have that capability due to being scattered across time and space, while the Knight is arguably just some Lightner in Hometown. And to add, we also know that the SBs were contacted by Gaster since Ralsei shares all of the same knowledge as they do. Like Jevil and Seam, Ralsei is aware of future events and what *should* generally happen in the future. Like Spamton, he’s aware of a presence that’s controlling Kris.
@@mrperson4542 Gaster and Us aren't the only otherworldly entities in play here. Otherwise Voice 2 would be also Gaster, by your logic. And I didn't say The Knight was the one that talked to them, but some entity WORKING with The Knight. Gaster is working /AGAINST/ something, which may or may not have similar powers as Gaster does. Of course whatever Gaster is working against would have similar information on something /they are trying to cause in the first place./
@@EudevieI go over this in the document, but Voice 2 would be the Angel, Gaster’s opposition. Gaster has many “unholy” allusions while the Angel has been associated with Light and “Holiness”.
@@mrperson4542 I was pointing out that just because Gaster has those abilities, doesn't mean he's the ONLY person with them. Voice 2/The Angel/ another entity could have access to the SAME stuff Gaster has. God is said to be everywhere,too(Since Gaster gets the 666 theme from the bible, Imma pull Jeremiah 23,"“I am a God who is everywhere and not in one place only. No one can hide where I cannot see them. Do you not know that I am everywhere in heaven and on earth?") Why wouldn't The Angel as well?
@@EudevieYet this interpretation lacks a “why”. *Why* would the Angel seek to mess with Spamton and Jevil in indirect ways when they could just *directly affect* the game’s world and narrative to impede our progress considering the fact that the SBs are *optional*. If you read the document, you would know that Gaster would have a much tougher time directly impacting the game’s world and events than the Angel, thus he has a reason to seek out these “discarded” darkners to evade detection. Oh, and also, when Seam talks about the Knight and the person who talked with Jevil, they refer to both as separate entitles.
I don’t think we won’t be allowed to delete or copy our save file- That means you can only play all the way through 3 times- That would be bad system design IMO- But I do imagine new dialogue for deleting or copying it and it being guilt trip text
You should invest in a pop filter, a lot of your Fs and Ps pop the mic and it makes the audio sound like its booming in places. Other than that great production value.
alright, aside from correcting the menu error, I've just got to ask one question about the theory itself: why is Gaster so ominous, then? he is a creepy man, and his followers don't do him any justice, either. "I have a piece of him right now", "It's rude to talk about someone who's listening"... where did the followers even come from, too? according to your theory, I assume they'd be aimless souls that wander through Darkness after the Roaring. I don't believe Gaster is a completely good guy for even a second due to how he has been portrayed thus far - his intentions might seek for the greater good, but not really caring about the means. I'd speculate that he'd be one to encourage the Snowgrave Route, as it rejects the fantasy that the Dark Worlds offer [as according to your theory, he wants to stop the Roaring] and changes the course of the story. in UNDERTALE, there is always a sliver of curiosity that guides you toward doing bad things [IE: the No Mercy Run] - what could possibly motivate us to actively seek out another ending? what's happened in the main one that leaves to be desired...? either way, that's all.
Yeah, I agree with you. I don't think for a second that he's 100% in the right, and much like the Knight, I think Gaster is definitely an 'the ends justify the means' kind of person, and that what he thinks is best for the world of Deltarune and its characters (not even regarding the subject of Banishing the Angel's Heaven, but in general, everything) might not align with what people want for THEMSELVES. And, who the fuck knows what Gaster will do after the Angel's Heaven is banished. As for the Weird Route, I'm thinking of making a video about that in the future after a while, I haven't fully articulated my thoughts on that.
the mysteryman door alongside with any gaster follower and the sound test are impossible to encounter in a no mercy run. judging an entire character's morality based on vibes alone is simply ridiculous, i mean he literally calls kris, susie, and noelle "wonderful", if that's not sweet grandpa vibes idk what is.
@@surreal6055 what a weird comment, Mysteryman and Gaster Followers are completely possible to encounter in a No Mercy Run. and I'm not basing it simply on "vibes alone", the River Person literally says: "Beware the man who speaks in hands", as a warning! and besides, all of the Gaster Follower dialogue is weirdly threatening, too. "It's rude to talk about someone who's listening", how is that NOT creepy to you? he even drives Darkners to insanity, as you can see with Spamton and Jevil! Gaster doesn't give "grandpa vibes", he gives off "weird old guy peering at you through a peephole in the wall vibes".
@@uraynukeTo be fair, River Person also tells us to “beware the man who came from the other world” and that’s 100% talking about Sans. And Sans normally is a chill dude as long as you don’t do No Mercy. RP’s warning on Gaster could very well be similar and they’re just saying “hey, don’t cross or enrage him”.
I think his experiment wasn’t anything visible in the actual game, listening to it I think he was attempting to harness and power of a black hole, shadows cutting deeper, photon readings, and falling into it. That could explain why he is scattered across time and space cause black holes actually do warp time around them. But that’s just a theory, A GAME THEORYc thanks for reading
@@mrperson4542 but remember the part where he fell into his creation and was scattered acrosss time, also if we also go to the hypothesis that all black holes are wormholes then maybe both theory’s are valid, only time will tell
@@razorwolf2758 but again, Gaster is heavily associated with *Darkness* not black holes.* Whenever Toby was asked about Gaster or whatever his next game was, he would talks talk about it “being shrouded in darkness”. If anything, he was trying to harness the power of a Fountain (hence the Darkness Totems in the Core), not a Black Hole. And besides, *why* would Toby begin to delve into real-life quantum physics in this manner? Whenever you’re saving/loading in UT, you aren’t utilizing anything based in real life to bend the spacetime continuum, you’re just using Determination.
I think it might be a case where gaster has understandable motive but the result might ultimately be wrong. The legend is about preserving the balance of light and dark, which seems to be an allegory for escapism vs the real world. Both the angel and gaster might be representing the two dangerous extremes where one fully takes over.
i think his actions in the game will be detrimental to the world, but i think classifying him as "Evil" isn't going to be accurate, so my theory is he is experimenting with us to see if we can break the game and let him out. and i do have a bit of evidence to hint at this. first, he specifically calls our arrival to deltarune as an experiment. and specifically tells you your actions don't matter. this is true since within the game constant characters and events kind of show this off, the game has a set story and you are just the wheels pushing the plot... except its not. by forcing yourself to experience characters with influence with gaster, jevil and spamton, you can directly alter the direction of the story and obtain optional items that seem to have big influence in the game moving forward. by using determination, we found alternate paths that potentially open up a divergence in the story later on. in chapter two, we take this a step further, and now we have accurate information showing us that although kris' story is set in stone, we can influence our allies to alter the story. just like how we can command characters to attack using our soul, we can control characters to defy the storys direction. snowgrave proves this, and although it doesn't alter the story much ,we have definitely altered the direction by killing off a key character. gasters experiment imo, is to see if we can break through the rules of the game, and why would he want that? why would he want us to break the rules? and why in deltarune? well, the dark world has ties with gaster, jevil and spamton have both made a connection to him there, so that likely means gaster is likely somewhere in the dark world. it could be a fragment, a alternative version of him, or literally just gaster himself, but SOMEWHERE gaster lives in there. in undertale, his existance is very slightly hinted at, but in deltarune there are ALIVE and healthy characters that know of him.
With all of the connections tying Noelle to the angel, I can't help but think that the angel's heaven is Noelle's ideal world. She's already expressed her feelings that the dark world is much better than the light world (she could use healing magic to save her dad, she can be strong and make new friends etc.) so having the light world become a dark one would essentially be her 'heaven'. It's possible that in a previous timeline, a choice Noelle made brought the roaring and this is the 'prophecy' that Gaster is trying to stop by restarting the timeline (possibly with some ulterior motive). Gaster may have chosen to connect with us because we're the type of people to break things and mess with timelines. The weird route might be us altering the timeline and stopping the prophecy from happening.
Gaster sought us out because he knows that we got invested in the world of UT. He wanted players who not only had gotten TP (based on Goner Clam’s appearance and dialogue in TP) and also put in the time and effort to seek him out in the game’s files. Also, why would Gaster want Side B to happen?? He *wants* the Prophecy to happen as it lays out a clear path to the world being saved. Otherwise, why would Ralsei, someone that he has put in place to ensure that things go smoothly, go “wait we were supposed to-“ on side B?
this is a good video but something is up with your mic, you're constantly bouncing back and forth between audio channels and there's occasional whooshing sounds
I think if all fountains dissappeared, then a reverse-roaring would occur: " *When the SHADOW is subsumed by LIGHT *When the GRAND FOUNTAIN dissappears *All will fall into CHAOS *The COLOSSI will take form from the LIGHT *And envelop the land in devastation *The surviving Lightners, crushed by LIGHT *Will all slowly, one by one, turn to dust " Also there is no sufficient evidence about Gaster's morality, and there is nothing that suggests that he is the same gaster from undertale
Why would *DR* Gaster be able to manipulate the timelines of his own world? He theoretically should just be a regular dude. *UT* Gaster is the one who’s associated with all of the Goners (hence the Goner Maker). It was a line from *UT* Gaster’s Entry 17 that appeared on the Deltarune website back then. *UT* Gaster is the one shattered across time and space, meaning that not only would he be able to easily manipulate the timelines of a world that he exists outside of, but also it enables him to communicate with Darkners in DWs that do not exist yet. And both UT and DR’s trademarks are filed under *Royal Sciences LLC., which would be associated with UT* Gaster. Oh, and don’t forget that on Twitter Gaster asks if “we have been looking for him”, which could only be UT Gaster as why would DR Gaster be aware of us? Also there is no sufficient evidence supporting the notion that a “reverse-roaring” exists. That presumes that the Grand Fountain in the closet was always present when it most definitely was not. If anything, closing all of the fountains would just cause the lives of the Lightners to become worse due to the lack of Fiction in their lives. That’s it.
@@mrperson4542 I don't think being shattered across time and space would give someone similar power to having the most determination in the underground, and he also shattered across time+space, not alternate universes (tho if DR is just an alternate timeline then it would make sense if some pieces were in it). Also, UT Gaster is *shattered*, and I don't think being shattered is a state where you can have a complex thinking. However, DR Gaster is probably not shattered, therefore, he could theoretically do complex things like creating the vessel. Also I just feel like a reverse roaring would be nice narratively, but we likely couldn't reach it. The collosi are just some crap I made up for it to sound closer to the original
@@mrperson4542 If the grand fountain wasn't always present then A. The world didn't start with balance or 1 fountain isn't balanced B. There is some way to create a grand fountain
@@Quartz512_ If you have watched Andrew Cunningham's videos on what role DT will play in Deltarune and everything we know about Kris' so thus far, you would know that Saving/Loading in DR functions *very* differently than in UT. UT Gaster himself isn't capable of saving/loading, but he is using a Device to manage the timelines. This is actually one of the biggest reasons why it absolutely cannot be DR Gaster, as if he was the one saving and deleting timelines for us, that would literally mean that he is deleting his own world with him in it. UT Gaster, on the other hand, is not bound to the world of DR and would then be in a position to be able to save/load and not be affected. Also, just because UT Gaster is shattered does not mean that he isn’t capable of critical thinking. He is literally actively listening in on our conversations with the Goners. Speaking of the Goners, why would they be related to *DR* Gaster? All they do in UT is talk about *UT* Gaster and *his* actions. If DR Gaster was the one making them, why the heck would they fixate on UT Gaster and not him? Also, how do you know that DR and UT’s worlds aren’t separated by time and space?? The concept of a multiverse is fictional as far as we know so I do not see the reasoning in trying to apply hypothetical logic to a fictional world. And remember that Ralsei learned of the Prophecy through “whispers across time and space”. Looking at all of the evidence, it 100% is UT Gaster we talk to, not DR Gaster.
Hm, this is a very interesting Theory, i wonder how accurate it will be? …say, what do you think will be the deal with Onion-San by the end of this Game? Also, do you know of Bunny Graveyard?
Wow it's a lot like another character that the community is accusing to be the knight that definately isn't evil and isn't the villian. *Cough cough* kris *cough cough*
6:24 Not everything Gaster-related has this naming scheme. The Shelter doesn't have it; snd_smile doesn't have it; snd_him_quick doesn't have it; etc. This naming scheme is (almost) exclusively for out-of-universe sequences necessary for the game's function. They are very much related to Gaster, yes, but not everything Gaster-related is of the PROGRAM naming scheme.
"your name is kris" actually my friend this is the same play tony hawk used in undertale. It DOESN'T say Kris it says "YOUR NAME IS" and whites out the screen. Its probably gonna say, Ralsei.
buddy, i don't know how to tell you this, but that sprite isn't gaster, that's a character from yume nikki that was also referenced in toby fox's halloween hack
My joke theory is that gaster is actually in deltarune but hes just some guy who is living his life, and the “big villain” is just some new character. I just think it would be a funny storyline to take.
![[Deltarune] Will Theory and The Depths | Unraveling the Dark World](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/sTpirhKX8mQ/mqdefault.jpg)
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Since this video just got promoted by Spookydood, i thought I'd add some further thoughts to this that I never added in the video.
1. The "Core Theory" is LITERALLY the concept that Gaster is attempting to rewrite the ending of Deltarune. Yes, there's more details, elaboration regarding what the Player's role in the story is, etc, but that is the core idea of the theory.
2. Everything I have said about the Angel representing the 'original author' of the story trying to stop Gaster is mere speculation - yes, it is interesting, and could tie into the theory and give it higher stakes, but it isn’t part of the core theory itself.
3. In retrospect, I think the theory is a little too charitable to Gaster. He certainly has his own agenda that he wants to carry out.
One last note - as of the time of making this comment, I'm currently in the process of writing the script for my next theory. The theory will be about solving who the Knight is - and I'll be working on the theory with another person. Expect it to come out within the next few months.
Anyhow, thanks for stopping by, i guess.
This theory implies something I find deeply funny: If Castle Town is Gaster's creation, Ralsei is his original character and I love that so much.
Using the player’s desire to save asriel and most people’s care for him to make the player care for ralsei and thus this world is a big brain move by gaster
I really like the theory that Susie and Ralsei are slowly switching roles. Susie learned the Ultimate Heal and Ralsei has at least 2 scarfs that lower his healing and ups damage, and while Susie is learning how to be nice Ralsei is learning how to not be always too nice to the foes.
One small theory I have is that Ralsei will learn a fire spell, probably called Fireshock, since it was mentioned fireshock existing in Dragon blazers, Toby mention a character originally having a fire spell, but was cut, and the dreamurrs are heavenly associated with fire.
@@waluigiisthebest2802omg yes
Imagine if we turn ralsei into a mindless, ruthless killing machine by the end of the game.
@@waluigiisthebest2802 Sooo chapter 3 will be less history driven, right? Then it'll have more intense battles, so maybe Ralsei learns in chapter 3 that pacifism is not always the answer, and the one who teaches him that ironically is Toriel.
Are you sure who actually would learn that spell wont be Toriel? I am 99% sure she will end up in dark world in ch.3 and unless she become damsel in distress and you end up trying to rescue her, she will most likely be part of team for at least part of this dark world.
he appears at the end with the explosion effect and says "This sure was a Deltarune"
*IT IS I
*DOCTOR WINGDING GASTER
*AND THIS WAS THE LEGEND OF DELTARUNE
*ROLL THE CREDIT BOYS!
It would be funny, after all the years of theorising about Gaster, he would just appear at the end of the last chapter like "Hey Kris, it's me the head doctor Gaster. Have you met my children yet?"
"Oh my god! Kris look! It's my University Dean! Mr. Gaster!"
"HELLO KRIS
I HAVE HEARD OF
YOUR GOOD DEEDS
I WILL GIVE YOU
A FITTING REWARD.
PLEASE. DO NOT
TRY THAT AGAIN"
Yeah that gaster is just asriels tutor
I agree that Gaster is not going to be evil after all is said and done. One thing that stood out to me in Undertale is how every character or setting that's initially set up as evil or ominous is ultimately subverted to become wholesome in some way: Asgore is initially introduced as an evil king that murders humans only to become king fluffy buns, Undyne is a scary knight cloaked in shadow that chases us around but turns out to be a true hero fighting for justice and rather goofy and funny; the true lab and amalgamates are initially very creepy but they turn out to be monsters in pain that ultimately have a happy ending when they're reunited with their families and everyone welcomes them with open arms.
I believe Gaster and all the ominous stuff that surrounds him will have a similar twist that makes him sympathetic and wholesome in some way too in the end.
To be fair, King also subverted that expectation. But I don't think Gaster's going to be bad, either.
to be fair, we do fight asgore, even if neither of us want to
I don’t know. Deltarune doesn’t seem to play by those rules. Especially with the spade king.
@@Tarragonofficial302idk Spade King is the only exception and even then Chapter 2 showed a different side to him
I've never understood why most people haven't thought that this could be the case. Although Toby, who likely anticipated this turnaround for the character, may have subverted this idea of Gaster having some bit of levity as we see time and time again our interactions with Gaster are more archaeic and creepy, and so may be pulling the wool over our eyes as Gaster becomes a full villian. However since most people already have this weird view of Gaster, this may have paradoxically made Toby write him back into a goofball to keep us on our toes.
Who knows, all of this is conjecture.
6:08 this menu has NOT been replaced! it is still in the game, but it can only be accessed at the start of Chapter 1, before you complete the first Chapter - after you complete it, it is replaced with the normal menu [this is also the same case for Chapter 2, which has the Great Door before you complete the Chapter in the Chapter 2 SAVE Menu].
It is good to note that with gasters association with yhe numbers 6, and some of his stats outright being 666, the number of the devil, toby is trying to paint gaster as a devil figure, which would make sense if he were to stand in direct opposition to the angel
What some people dont know, is that toby has done this before. While undertale was in development, one promotional material that read "dont let asgore take your soul" and a shadowy figure with a red trident and horns clearly trying to associate asgore with the devil. Only to subvert it in undertale, where he is portrayed as a tragic but loving character.
The number 6 isn't exactly just 'the number of the devil.' The number 6 is in some ways the Uncanny Valley. While the number 7 represents completion, fullness, and purity, the number 6 represents something that is almost complete, but not quite there. Clouded by sin, and thus, it represents the human condition.
Although, when you factor in Gaster being shattered across time and space and falling into his own creation, this... starts to become so much more interesting, doesn't it?
@@WeaselWeaselW it isnt just number 6 though, its that his stats are just number 6 repeating, which to me feels like an allusion to the number of the beast, that being 666
i think these readings both make sense and I have to note that the meanings of the numbers 6 and 7 TRX mentioned sound a lot like omega Flowey and hypergod Asriel respectively.
@@RiverOfTheHeart hole hell, well spotted
@@WeaselWeaselW also the meanings of 6 and 7 you mentioned can be seen in 2 places in undertale, 6 human souls who arent enough to shatter the barrier, and our 6 main characters who arent really happy with their lives. Both of these groups are complete when frisk comes into the picture.
Good theory never seen someone make a theory about gaster being good before
It's a really cool take, and it was a personal belief of mine that Gaster wasn't evil for the longest time so I was happy to see this! :D
While I can’t say I’m inclined to believe the theory as a whole, the broad strokes (especially “Gaster isn’t antagonistic” and “Ralsei is the success where the secret bosses are failed trials”) are definitely on my own theory list. It’s certainly better than most other full game theory videos out there…
Also, my own personal theories for the ranking:
Papyrus will wear a fedora, but otherwise have nothing in common with Horrible Beta Papyrus
Knight Mayor
Every single Jaru theory will be incorrect
basically this but every jaru theory is correct
@@choestahow can the Mayor and Oberon booth be the Knight?
@@wallcrack72 steven universe fusion.
@@choestareal
How can this be correct without jaru's timeloop theory being true
I've always felt like Gaster was never supposed to be a part of this world, or the prophecy. The way the intro sequence and file selection menu just stand out so harshly against the rest of the game reminds me of using mods in an otherwise immersive game. It's like he invaded the world with his own programs, to cause an anomaly that will allow for choices to lead to different outcomes.
that explains why all the file names relating to the goner maker uniquely start with DEVICE_ (And the smile image if my memory serves correctly, not sure the reason for that)
To bring this to its logical conclusion: if the “Angel” is the original author, then it would stand to reason that to fight the angel we would have to fight the creator of this world, the one who created it.
I am of course, referring to Toby Fox himself. If this theory is true then at the end of the game we end up fighting Toby Fox as the final boss and that is pretty sick
Of course, After all, the letters in Dog reverse will spell "God"
we have to fight him irl for the true ending
@@friedtoads13Yeah he’s just waiting for teleportation to come out so that when in 20 years deltarune chapter 7 is complete so will teleportation so he teleports us to have a real battle with Toby fox. This is of course going to be impossible to win since Toby fox is going to have complete control of our mind and could easily win if he just told me “WD gaster will die and never come back.”
And Toby will look just like Asriel, but Deltarune version.
In the end, it's Gaster vs Toby
One thing a lot of people seem to know yet overlook is Toby's fondness of JRPGs. Yes, of course he loves them and they have shaped his sense of humor, his interests, and his creations. But do you know one trope JRPGs, and in fact a lot of Japanese games of various genres, love? *Angels being huge malicious bastards*
A title comes into my mind: Shin Megami Tensei. While many angels and angelic/lawful entities are on our side, a lot of them are bosses you end up fighting and their motives are quite evil, I am talking reshaping reality into a realm of eternal bliss when your only option is praising God, aka a world where your choices don't even exist, let alone matter. Hell, in at least one game you end up against the actual Abrahamitic God, and in a lot of games an optional boss is the Demiurge, a cruel not-god that nonetheless rules reality (gnostic beliefs are complicates, ok?).
With all the talk about the Angel's Heaven and the Roaring, which is the end of the world under another name, why are people so convinced the guy with demonic parallels is the bad guy? JRPGs and Japanese games have a lot of examples of demonic characters or characters eith demonic ancestry being the good guys (ever heard of Devil May Cry? One plot twist from the first game is that the demon clone of the protagonist's mother gains a soul and becomes a good person), but the examples of angelic characters being good, while extant, are rarer.
If anything, it seems to me Gaster is more of a callous scientist with good intentions, rather than an evil mastermind.
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Honestly, another thing a lot of people forget is that Gaster is a *scientist* and yeah he may very well likely be the mad variety of scientist, but there are other kinds. Like the professional one that sets up an experiment with variables (Jevil, Spamton, Noelle most likely) and then lets the events unfold, or the one that is actually very decent in the end like, uh, Professor GAST Faremis from Final Fantasy VII, who may have started the whole Jehovah project but ultimately rejected it for being too damn weird and dangerous and decided to instead live with his love and protect his family.
Also note that SMT was a big inspiration for UT, according to Toby, and was where he got the idea of allowing the player to talk to enemies
@@mrperson4542I mean, you can RECRUIT enemies in Chapter 2, unlike SMT however you can't use them in bat- wait that's literally what happened with Susie. She was an enemy, you recruited her and she is now part of your team.
I think one foretelling that Gaster isn't going to be an outright villain is how patiently he responds to you naming the vessel after yourself, even though you can see it clearly gets under his skin. That tells us whatever his goals are, they're beyond just his desires.
wait he does? i just remember him saying “of course they are one in the same” ive been naming them goner lately though so my memory might be kinda fuzzy
@@Ghosttoast_yum yeah it doesn't come off as rude to me but more of a "yeah of course they would want to insert themselves into the story lol"
Gaster tweaking the story and giving Noelle so much weird shit: I just think she's neat
Personally whenever I see a theory, I compare it to fanfiction, i call this "the fanfic test"
If it makes since and is coherent enough to be written there will be fics that use some elements of the idea.
This checks out. There are fics that use this exact idea, right down to gaster creating Ralsei, previous DR world dying, Gaster creating the fountain, ect.
There are? Now I'm curious
gotta leave a link now
@@realawesomeos yeah.
I remember a really good fanfic called 'Someone Else's Hands' which played with the idea that Gaster was the one that created Ralsei and the Prophecy, and it grappled with his purposelessness. But that's the only one I'm aware of
@temporalysteph7451 archiveofourown.org/works/35100775/chapters/87438151
Gaster, in taking over the Twitter, directly mirrored what happened when Flowey took control before Undertale released.
So why are we supposed to believe he's either the good guy or bad guy?
He might be both, in the way Flowey was. But with his own twist.
Yeah.
River Person says to 'beware the man who speaks in hands.' Even if he has good intentions, we should still be suspicious of his nature - perhaps he has ulterior motives.
@@WeaselWeaselW
It's super duper meta if the theory in your video is accurate.
An author (the angel) vs a fanfiction writer (gaster) battling for control over this world of light and dark, using characters from that world to do so.
(It is like a game of chess, in a way)
@@WeaselWeaselW Gaster could definitely end up being a sort of antihero rather than a villain if what he wants is ultimately good, but he isn't afraid to "break a few eggs" to make it happen.
Great Video! I really enjoy this more virtuous portrayal of Gaster instead of a malicious, creepy one like the fandom portrays him quite often. The theory may be speculative at times but its great nonetheless, good job!
Personally, I believe a fragment of Gaster is trapped in the Depths after being fragmented across time and space, and his goal is to be freed and reconnect with his other fragments to be whole again.
While I don't think he will be malicious or evil, I think Toby may choose a more Machiavellian approach to his goal of reconnection (Killing or purging the world in the Roaring perhaps). And utilizing the meta aspects of the game, using Us/The Player to further his goals without compassion towards the world and its characters, to which we prove him wrong like Toby himself intended. ("There's something more important than reaching the end", Gaster's plan for us being the end and connecting with the world and its characters being the more important thing).
I will do a video on it in-depth sooner or later on my channel, but feel free to include it in your future video or inquire me about the theory if you want to know something! Good luck on your future uploads, they're great!
Yeah Gaster definitely isn't 100% good. But no one is - honestly characters without flaws boring to me. One thing that immediately sticks out is Gaster's disregard for Darkners, but Gaster’s character has barely been explored yet. We are probably going to see more in future chapters.
@TRX1686 Yeah, I personally believe Gaster's personality will lean into the "Mad scientist with a disregard for life" trope (Hence the disregard for Darkners or the world of DELTARUNE by my theory.) He won't be 100% evil, just like any other character by Toby, but I do personally believe he'll wind up as an antagonist to us by the end after our "deal" with him is broken.
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He wants Us alive during the Roaring, because we need to "banish the Angel's Heaven" and free him to fullfill our end of the deal (His end of the deal is giving us a fun game/story). But that's what I think anyway. I'll explain the theory in-detail on my channel pretty soon.
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2 Corinthians 11:14
"And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light."
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I don't really think this can be made into a good argument. In fact, Gaster's typer value (and other things in the code) being related to the Number of the Beast shows his true nature to us but unknowingly to him, because you wouldn't see this on the surface playing the game, but rather looking into the code.
Besides, I don't think it matters much to Gaster whether we know his true intentions or not yet, we already know that we have a deal or some sort of agreement with Gaster, but 2 Chapters in, we don't even know what the true deal is, which is why we as a fanbase theorize about Gaster.
you know what, this does actually sound like the kind of feverdream Toby Fox would have
Oh my gosh it's here! I've been waiting for this one for while. The moment that I read the original theory (the doc), it felt like it just worked for the game since not only does it complement my research concluding that Deltarune is likely gonna be a deconstruction of going too deep into fiction, but gaster being used as part of that deconstruction similar to how flowey was used as a way to deconstruct the idea of detaching yourself from a fictional world in Undertale, it felt so compelling to me.
Although there are some parts of this theory that I am a bit iffy on, I am intrigued. I do agree with the idea that the second voice is the original "author" of Deltarune but a bit iffy on them being the angel. I could see the idea of an original "author" and a "fanfic" writer being in opposition with each other, and how it would make for such a climactic metanarrative if done right, plus having to witness all of that stuff within the fiction itself. Gosh I can only imagine how Deltarune could pull that off.
Am I sounding a little deranged? Maybe? But yeah, needless to say, I like this theory! 👍
Given the Music Video toby helped with and pushed at us, I think the genuinely believe what works best with Deltarune’s theme of ‘creativity via stories/games/conspiracies/religion impacting your real world’ is straight up that ‘Gaster’ was a character in Dess’s favourite video game, love (slash creativity with a pinch of magic) made his existence “real”, he tried to escape his game to the real world to find her, after several screw ups and worlds is now a Determination Remnant Goop who has done Unspeakable Things by this point in his desperation. He had the (probably Ice-E) conspiracy theory bigfoot monster go get Dess cus it could obey the laws of this reality (due to people thinking it might be literally real) as opposed to him trapped in the AU realm of “That Freaky Locked Bunker We Tell Ghost Stories And Theorise About”, and now Dess is stuck between realms, neither fully real or fictional (metaphor for remembering the dead). Maybe Dess is used specifically because she herself is on that boundary of real or story cus of the whole Santa’s Reindeer thing. The ship name would be Dessaster for god’s sake - as in disaster. Toby’s a fandom nerd, I refuse to believe he’d let that go. Moral of story, creativity is good and positive, but you can’t go too far and let fictional worlds and people (and loves) swallow your life, or leave you unable to tell the difference between fiction and reality.
Have you heard of paragraphs? Its hard to read this
But what _is_ real?
Here's a hypothesis
Most people attribute the reference to the number 6 to it being a reference to the mark of the beast in the Holy Bible. But what if it was instead a reference to the number 9? We know 999 (iterating) is basically infinity unless you want to use the actual infinity symbol. We also know Gaster was split across timelines and universes. What if his 999 were flipped to show it's another perspective, one that we can't experience but that we know it's there?
Again, just a hypothesis because I have nothing to prove it, but it's still a fun thought
9 and 6 are most known for being incomplete and “demonic” numbers.
(SPOILERS) There are some parallels with the game 999 too, like a character with a name linked to Christmas (Santa/Noelle) having a sibling named after a month (June, December) who was lost/likely lost in an incident involving extreme temperatures (burnt in an incinerator/frozen to death maybe, not confirmed but it's possible), and in Undertale the whole SAVE/LOAD feature works near identical to the SHIFT feature in the whole Zero Escape series (they are both means to explain saving and reloading as a thing that people can actually do in the plot and is, in fact, a key factor to make the plot work).
Also, there is literally a guy named Delta-
I know that typer value 2 is used as a general tense moment override for multiple characters, but I still believe that it isn't Gaster that discards the vessel mainly based on how the Japanese translation handles the dialogue in the character creator. Toby is known to have been a major contributor to translating both Undertale and Deltarune into Japanese, so it strikes me as very interesting that the lines using typer 666 use different second-person honorifics from typer 2, as well as typer 666 being written in kanji and katakana while the lines in typer 2 are in kanji and hiragana. This doesn't really prove anything, and if anything, it could be an error on Toby's part when translating the game. But even so, I just get a different vibe from the last couple of lines than I do for the rest of the goner maker segment. I know this is entirely tangential to your theory as a whole, but I just wanted to put a bit of extra evidence out there towards the two voices theory, even if it's still inconclusive. Also, I sourced this particular post on tumblr to get my facts straight, and it likely goes into more detail than I did here, though I do not agree with their conclusion at all. suzyundertale.tumblr.com/post/180226681657/in-the-beginning-of-deltarune-as-you-may-know
So.....Flowey is a gamer.
And gaster is an AU Writer.
Some dude works hard for his fellow people to power and support everybody and researches how to save them from their punishment, accidently falls into his creations leading to his ‘death’ scattering him across various planes of existence, and now he is evil? Like guys he didn’t do anything wrong.
I Guess W.D Gaster is evil idea is semi-cope for the fact that In undertale and deltarune's both Genocide and Weird routes WE the player are the ones actually making things worse in some shape and/or form
He’s literally heavily accsociated with the devils number & his own followers are scared of him. The notion of him being evil didn’t come form nowhere, mate.
Sure he was prolly a good guy at first, but I wouldn’t be surprised if working with darkness or studying dark worlds made him more evil or insane in a way, cuz both King & Queen in deltarune went crazier after the dark fountains opened in their world.
@@sahilhossain8204that’s not true at all.
There’s always been things that pointed towards Gaster being malovelent. Though it is true that we are evil for playing genocide/weird routes, most of it has absolutely nothing to do with Gaster, and wouldn’t really change if Gaster is evil or not.
Funny enough I've had a similar, but far less developed, theory for a while now. I usually see people talk about Gaster being a villain, but I don't think he is. He's a scientist with little regard for ethical violations, but with good intentions. Thus, I think the prophecy is his hypothesis. If [Three Heroes] during [The Roaring], then [Banish the Angel's Heaven], and we're a new variable added to test this hypothesis. If he ever does appear onscreen, he'll refer to "You" and "Kris" as entirely unrelated entities. Hell, "Your choices don't matter" might be a secondary hypothesis he's testing in tandem. If the universe is deterministic, what happens when you introduce something from outside of the universe?
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Sounds... plausible
i find the ideaof the angels heaven to be interesting. If the dark worlds are representative of espacism or fantasy, then perhaps the lesson to be learned is that delving too deeply into fantasy is a bad idea. The darkworlds can help Kris and Suzie and Noel yes, but they can also harm them. If we distract ourselves in fantasy, we ignore the real world, the LIGHT world. and this causes our lives to fall apart. I experienced this first hand in 2021. I used to distract myself with games and movies and food instead of doing the hard work of improving my life IRL. I have banished the Angels Heaven and now live in the LIght.
I don't think this will be the eultamite message of the game however. As The dark worlds DO HELP Kris and others learn more about themselves and help them grow as people in the light worlds. BUT. I think the message will be something like all things in moderation, and that one dark fountain is fine, but too many and the world goes to shit. Distracting yourself with fun and games os good and can be useful, as long as you don't get lost in the fantacy.
The theory is well put together but the one gripe i have with it is that it robs us from a gaster fight without it feeling forced
That’s what Side B may entail, since we’d be trying our best to break away from Gaster’s prophecy. However, we def won’t be able to “win” a fight such as that since Gaster could just disconnect us from the world.
A Gaster fight wouldn't be necessary. If he wants to defeat us, he can simply remove us from the save file, so the only realistic way of fighting him is if he wanted to 'test' us.
i would like to say; i think the second voice is not gaster, because you need to think about it the other way around. gaster’s speech style is exclusive to all caps, and he has strange pauses and uses. uh. smart man language idk. we don’t know exactly who it is for sure yet, but we do know it’s not gaster. toby wouldn’t differentiate the text if he didn’t want to give the idea of a different voice. otherwise amazing video!!!! i love this
Great video! I love the idea that this is all Gaster's elaborate fix it fic. While this video gives Gaster a more benevolent interpretation, I could also see a more sinister angle this could go down. Flowey is a completionist gamer taken to it's extreme so maybe Gaster could be a fan taken to their extreme. Someone who isn't just invested but also possessive. In the same way an obsessive fan has no respect for the boundaries or choices of the author maybe Gaster has no respect for the agency of the characters. When he finally manages to overthrow the angel with the player's help, he then goes "this is my world now" and doesn't just stop at changing the ending but also changes the lives of the characters to suit his desires. Not to say that he has to be evil but just that this is another possibility working under the same framework.
I like the fresh take on how Gaster is actually good. And there's some sound logic here, so it could definitely happen.
I guess to suggest a small theory of my own...
Kris created the chapter 3 dark fountain because Seam said that the Lighteners wouldn't be able to beat the next secret boss without the shadow mantle.
So Kris was like "Well, let's make a boss ourselves, maybe we'll have a chance."
(Ik the secret bosses aren't done by everyone, but then why do you have access to the items if you beat the boss on another save file? I take that as making the secret bosses canon without giving the player OP items for free)
If I had the know-how and time, I would have made a video of this, but I don't sadly X]
I think this guy is a time traveller. This really sounds like one of the most plausible endings for Deltarune.
I actually had a similar theory about the previous iteration of Deltarune (but not necessarily that it's a time loop like some people say), and I'm really glad to see someone else believe the same thing. There's actually quite a bit of evidence for it inside the game, and I've even used to it explain how it's possible for Sans to have come from Deltarune (which is strongly hinted at), without Deltarune necessarily being a "prequel".
1:33 wait… it’s labeled as “myself” implying Gaster was the one to make this or that these stats are for the annoying dog instead…or maybe they’re one in the same?!
but if all dark worlds are banished at the end of the game, wouldn’t that put the balance of light and dark into question again, causing the roaring?
It might cause an inverse roaring
15:55 oh hey look thats me!
incredible
"No one can choose who they are in this world"
But the Player... THEY AREN'T A PART OF THAT WORLD! THEY'RE {oUtSiDe}
Perhaps ralsie was created to be our ally so that we're not alone there is a lot implying that he's more invested in the player than kris
Yana cameo
Also great quality video ofc
You can still get to the spooky bare-bones save menu in the current patch, you just need to have fresh save data for the game. Survey Program also has the different save menu after you beat it.
Well, to be fair, community made gaster look like he was a bad guy, where the f*ck does it says he's a bad guy?, He made the determination machine and experimented with monsters by asgores petition, something no one can say no because asgore is more than capable of punishing you.
Alphys was the one who experimented on monsters’ bodies. Not Gaster. He just *presumably* designed the DT extraction machine.
*The [Soul] , we need the [Soul] to seal the [Fountains] ,,Kris"!*
my brother who worked on this theory loves this comment
awesome work weasel 👍
the change to typer value two could also hint at leaving the dark world, similar to the change in ui and coloured portraits when going too and from the dark world
For most of the time, I've always considered gaster to be evil.
But this theory actually made me change my mind
My personal theory is that Kris is Chara, or rather some iteration of the first fallen human. This is because of the many similarities between the too characters. They are both asriel’s adopted sibling, they both have a thing for sweets and chocolate. They wear the same sweater, they both have a fascination with knives, they both are shown to be mischievous in a way and most importantly they both have that same theme of rejecting your control as the player. If it gets revealed that Kris has some kind of distain for humanity then it’s confirmed 100% kris and chara have to be related somehow.
older Chara
@@CutMeSomeSlackTheVII could be!
As chara is technically not outright confirmed (chara being the “truename” *could* be a meta joke) it is very possible that they are simply alternate versions of each other charas pale skin and blank eyes being able to be explained away by them doing dead
Kris will close the book in the Library with humans in it quite quickly :P
I quite like the idea of this theory, but I sure hope he doesn't lock our save file into place permanently. Even if we can't access it anymore, it would suck to beat the game 3 times and then never be able to play it again because there's only 3 save files, all of which are taken and can't be deleted.
Maybe if the save is deleted from our files but the narrative implies Gaster is simply taking that file away so we can't reset it and ruin it, thus opening up a free save slot as if we deleted it.
Yeah, maybe that too. But something along the lines of 'you can no longer mess with that particular timeline of Deltarune.'
Y'know, this theory kind of reminds me of Neon Genesis Evangelion, with the idea of rejecting a "perfect dream world" to live in reality, or something along those lines, perhaps?
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Its actually never even meantioned that gaster had anything to do with soul research
We can deduce that he was also experimenting with Souls/Determination considering the fact that the only confirmed way that we know to bring forth Darkness is through the use of Determination.
Also, he was the Royal Scientist. It’d be *weird* if he wasn’t working on a way to get around the Barrier at some point.
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Warning: I got carried away and did a shot Ron of theory crafting, the 3rd paragraph and onwards is all theory I think
Yea but if he was working with dt to find a way out wouldn't there be something to show for it? Alphys is the one who built the dt extractor, so it seems pretty clear and dry that gaster wouldn't have had a way to even get the dt out
And while determination is the only way to make a dark fountain, in the deltarune universe, everyone has determination, from humans to monsters they can all stab the earth to create a dark fountain, also, queen never talked to any lightners, and still knew that determination was the power that created the world, and also knew that all lightners possessed it, and if she knew this right off the bat, for. Gaster he would also just need a simple observation
The stuff about him being shattered across time and space and the line about it being rude to talk to those who are listening seems to imply gaster has some form of omnipotence
From what we see in the goner maker and other gaster related things in deltarune it's possible his omnipotence across time and space allowed him to look into the universe of deltarune, oraybw the universe of deltarune could provide a backstory for gaster instead
Maybe gaster originated from deltarune, and found the creation of dark fountains, and some sort of experimentation with dark fountains lead to a split in the universe or something
Like he made a dark fountain outside, covering the world in darkness, leading to a creation of the world with a much more somber history
Monsters and humans are at war asgores children are both dead, his adopted child was a little sphycopath, alphys horribly mutilated dying people, etc etc
This would explain the "darker darker yet darker" line as he enters the world he made, paralleling his own to find a very litteraly, much darker reality, his next experiment being perhaps a way to fix the world, maybe the barrier is just an exit to somewhere the darkness isnt? Maybe the ending with chara destroying the world is just them using determination to will the world into finally being consumed by the dark, and the return is chara banishing the light with all the power you gained
Simmilarly maybe the need for 7 souls is because of how massive the world is ?
Again I'm gonna emphasize this is just a theory, and I've been theorizing for maybe 30 minutes now, I got quite carried away after I started thinking of what gaster may have done to be in his circumstance, anyways please consider
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Side note
First off if you didn't read any of the first comment because of length, the ladder 2/3 is just theories, just read the first paragraph and you'll get the idea
Secondly, that machine in sans' house may have been an attempt to get past the barrier, teleportation perhaps? Timetravel? Particle accelerator?
That or maybe the core could have been a way of trying to artificially make the power needed to break the barrier
@@No.1RatedSalesman You’re forgetting that the DT Extractor’s *blueprints* aren’t from Alphys herself.
Also, I heavily doubt that Gaster (at least the Gaster we talk to at the start of the game) is from DR. Everything we know about him is so throughly rooted in his role as the Royal Scientist in UT. Heck, both UT and DR are trademarked under *Royal Sciences LLC.*
@@mrperson4542 when does it say the extractor blueprints aren't from alphys?
" Reality is often disappointing. " A being with knowledge said...
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Gaster's theme not stopping makes it creepyer
Where does “the pain itself is reason why” fit into this? Is that the angel’s ideology?
mmm.... this makes me wonder, is really weird ralsei knows a lot about the bad things that happen after chapter 2, and i think your theory is right, this happened before, i think the true question is... with who? asriel, dees and the goner? i mean, what if the reason they are missing is that they were the original deltawarriors and failed?
What do you mean “with who”? Ralsei was Gasterpilled by, well, Gaster.
@@mrperson4542 gasterlighted even
@@Keyshooter That didn’t answer my question but ok
@@mrperson4542 i was just making a funny joke, also, that's not what i meant, one option is, yes, ralsei got this information from gaster, the option i am considering however is that ralsei didn't got this info by gaster but experience it first hand by the, speculation, 3 original deltawarriors, what i am trying to say is that kriss, sussy and ralsei are a second generation deltawarrior of this world, and that asriel, dess and goner are the first one
@@Keyshooter I don’t see why that’d be the case. There’s nothing particularly suggesting that Kris and Susie weren’t the Delta-Warriors for Take 1. There’s the unused opening where Susie calls out to Kris as if they had felled in battle and there’s also the fact that Gaster refers to Kris, Susie, and Noelle as “very, very wonderful” people.
And besides, the Vessel only exists because of *us* and we were never brought into the world for Take 1. As a result, the Vessel cannot have been a part of Take 1.
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Remember. If yoi ever think your theories make big logical nonsencial jumps, at least youre not ad bad as jaru jaru
Something I've been curious about for a while now is the possibility of a Gaster from Deltarune's universe existing; in the case of Gaster being the one who created that universe, do you think he would put a version of himself in there? After all, since he wouldn't have had to build the CORE, he couldn't have been erased from existence, right? And this would pose an even bigger question if he didn't actually make the Deltarune universe
This is the same question I brought to light in one of WeaselWeaselW community post.
Currently, my assumptions are that there are 2 gasters, And DR!Gaster will be a mad scientist, or at least be the one behind the bunker stuff down in hometown.
UT Gaster was never erased from existence, that’s just an assumption that the Fandom made. If he was erased, why did Asgore wait so long to replace him?
Also, i don’t see what indicates that UT Gaster made the world of DR. If he made it, why the heck does he need our help to change its ending?? Instead, I think the only thing that UT Gaster made to any extent was his DEVICE (and the Goner Maker if it doesn’t include that). The world of DR is not fake, but the Player’s connection to the world is indeed artificial as we are not a natural part of that world.
Ok, but the problem with Gaster being the second voice doesn't stop at the typer value difference. The speaking style is also completely different, no longer using all capitals. This is further evident in the JP version, where Gaster exclusively uses katakana and kanji with very formal wording, whereas the second voice uses hiragana and kanji with informal wording.
i believe the exact typer value for the "second voice" means literally nothing. i mean, the text formatting is based on the typer value, and in order to change the formatting, he had to use a different typer value. it's that simple.
The part in both this and the doc is not touched on in regards to the secret bosses: The shadow crystals. I don't think it's Gaster speaking to them broke their mind like eldritch knowledge would.(And to a darkner, it /would/ be eldritch knowledge.)
You could maybe get away with that with Jevil, but with Spamton...
Something else 'speaks' to Spamton in the shop, even threatens him from saying too much. That doesn't sound like something Gaster would do. Nor giving the secret bosses shadow crystals.
Add to Spamton being part of the weird route (and thus throwing things off Gaster's intended course) makes me think it isn't Gaster messing with them. Yes, people say the "garbage noise" is "Gaster noises", but that could very well be interference from something, maybe the dark fountain or something related to it.
Let's look at some of Spamton's lines:
* [[Amazed at thi5 amazing transformation? You too can]] HAVE A [[Communion]] WITH [[Unintelligble Laughter]]
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* SPEAKING OF [[Communion]]
* KRIS, DID YOU KNOW THAT THE KNIGHT...
* No, I'm sorry! I'm sorry! I didn't mean to --
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This implies it is an entity working with The Knight that Spamton had a "communion" with.
Spamton’s shadow crystal wasn’t on him originally, it originated from the NEO body.
Also we don’t know what’s going on when Spamton suddenly shuts up about the Knight, but its *very* unlikely that the “strange someone” that contacted them was them as whoever it is had to have been able to talk to them *before* the creation of their respective worlds. Only Gaster would have that capability due to being scattered across time and space, while the Knight is arguably just some Lightner in Hometown.
And to add, we also know that the SBs were contacted by Gaster since Ralsei shares all of the same knowledge as they do. Like Jevil and Seam, Ralsei is aware of future events and what *should* generally happen in the future. Like Spamton, he’s aware of a presence that’s controlling Kris.
@@mrperson4542 Gaster and Us aren't the only otherworldly entities in play here. Otherwise Voice 2 would be also Gaster, by your logic. And I didn't say The Knight was the one that talked to them, but some entity WORKING with The Knight. Gaster is working /AGAINST/ something, which may or may not have similar powers as Gaster does. Of course whatever Gaster is working against would have similar information on something /they are trying to cause in the first place./
@@EudevieI go over this in the document, but Voice 2 would be the Angel, Gaster’s opposition. Gaster has many “unholy” allusions while the Angel has been associated with Light and “Holiness”.
@@mrperson4542 I was pointing out that just because Gaster has those abilities, doesn't mean he's the ONLY person with them. Voice 2/The Angel/ another entity could have access to the SAME stuff Gaster has. God is said to be everywhere,too(Since Gaster gets the 666 theme from the bible, Imma pull Jeremiah 23,"“I am a God who is everywhere and not in one place only. No one can hide where I cannot see them. Do you not know that I am everywhere in heaven and on earth?") Why wouldn't The Angel as well?
@@EudevieYet this interpretation lacks a “why”. *Why* would the Angel seek to mess with Spamton and Jevil in indirect ways when they could just *directly affect* the game’s world and narrative to impede our progress considering the fact that the SBs are *optional*. If you read the document, you would know that Gaster would have a much tougher time directly impacting the game’s world and events than the Angel, thus he has a reason to seek out these “discarded” darkners to evade detection.
Oh, and also, when Seam talks about the Knight and the person who talked with Jevil, they refer to both as separate entitles.
What do you think of the weird route in the context of your theory?
Damnnn why was this so profound
great video
I don’t think we won’t be allowed to delete or copy our save file-
That means you can only play all the way through 3 times-
That would be bad system design IMO-
But I do imagine new dialogue for deleting or copying it and it being guilt trip text
What if Dr Gaster is just Toby's version of Dr. Andonuts
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You should invest in a pop filter, a lot of your Fs and Ps pop the mic and it makes the audio sound like its booming in places. Other than that great production value.
So maybe the normal non snograve route with be us the player vs Kris suzi and Noelle
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alright, aside from correcting the menu error, I've just got to ask one question about the theory itself:
why is Gaster so ominous, then? he is a creepy man, and his followers don't do him any justice, either. "I have a piece of him right now", "It's rude to talk about someone who's listening"... where did the followers even come from, too? according to your theory, I assume they'd be aimless souls that wander through Darkness after the Roaring.
I don't believe Gaster is a completely good guy for even a second due to how he has been portrayed thus far - his intentions might seek for the greater good, but not really caring about the means. I'd speculate that he'd be one to encourage the Snowgrave Route, as it rejects the fantasy that the Dark Worlds offer [as according to your theory, he wants to stop the Roaring] and changes the course of the story.
in UNDERTALE, there is always a sliver of curiosity that guides you toward doing bad things [IE: the No Mercy Run] - what could possibly motivate us to actively seek out another ending? what's happened in the main one that leaves to be desired...?
either way, that's all.
Yeah, I agree with you. I don't think for a second that he's 100% in the right, and much like the Knight, I think Gaster is definitely an 'the ends justify the means' kind of person, and that what he thinks is best for the world of Deltarune and its characters (not even regarding the subject of Banishing the Angel's Heaven, but in general, everything) might not align with what people want for THEMSELVES.
And, who the fuck knows what Gaster will do after the Angel's Heaven is banished.
As for the Weird Route, I'm thinking of making a video about that in the future after a while, I haven't fully articulated my thoughts on that.
If gaster wanted us to do Side B, then Ralsei would also be trying to push it. Yet he ain’t
the mysteryman door alongside with any gaster follower and the sound test are impossible to encounter in a no mercy run.
judging an entire character's morality based on vibes alone is simply ridiculous, i mean
he literally calls kris, susie, and noelle "wonderful", if that's not sweet grandpa vibes idk what is.
@@surreal6055 what a weird comment, Mysteryman and Gaster Followers are completely possible to encounter in a No Mercy Run.
and I'm not basing it simply on "vibes alone", the River Person literally says: "Beware the man who speaks in hands", as a warning! and besides, all of the Gaster Follower dialogue is weirdly threatening, too. "It's rude to talk about someone who's listening", how is that NOT creepy to you?
he even drives Darkners to insanity, as you can see with Spamton and Jevil!
Gaster doesn't give "grandpa vibes", he gives off "weird old guy peering at you through a peephole in the wall vibes".
@@uraynukeTo be fair, River Person also tells us to “beware the man who came from the other world” and that’s 100% talking about Sans. And Sans normally is a chill dude as long as you don’t do No Mercy. RP’s warning on Gaster could very well be similar and they’re just saying “hey, don’t cross or enrage him”.
Good video :)
I think his experiment wasn’t anything visible in the actual game, listening to it I think he was attempting to harness and power of a black hole, shadows cutting deeper, photon readings, and falling into it. That could explain why he is scattered across time and space cause black holes actually do warp time around them. But that’s just a theory, A GAME THEORYc thanks for reading
Its more likely that he was experimenting with literal Darkness. You know, Dark Fountains, the ability to create fiction and bring it to reality, etc.
@@mrperson4542 but remember the part where he fell into his creation and was scattered acrosss time, also if we also go to the hypothesis that all black holes are wormholes then maybe both theory’s are valid, only time will tell
@@razorwolf2758 but again, Gaster is heavily associated with *Darkness* not black holes.* Whenever Toby was asked about Gaster or whatever his next game was, he would talks talk about it “being shrouded in darkness”. If anything, he was trying to harness the power of a Fountain (hence the Darkness Totems in the Core), not a Black Hole.
And besides, *why* would Toby begin to delve into real-life quantum physics in this manner? Whenever you’re saving/loading in UT, you aren’t utilizing anything based in real life to bend the spacetime continuum, you’re just using Determination.
@@mrperson4542 it’s Toby, the same guy who Naruto ram down hallways
@@razorwolf2758 Ok? So??
Gaster is the type of guy to steal Chara's soul after Asriel died and put it in true lab and no one would even notice.
It would be interesting if you could go back and locate your vessel and go back into the world, (seeing if your theory is true)
I think it might be a case where gaster has understandable motive but the result might ultimately be wrong. The legend is about preserving the balance of light and dark, which seems to be an allegory for escapism vs the real world. Both the angel and gaster might be representing the two dangerous extremes where one fully takes over.
I saw the thumnail and misread it as Femboy theory
i think his actions in the game will be detrimental to the world, but i think classifying him as "Evil" isn't going to be accurate,
so my theory is he is experimenting with us to see if we can break the game and let him out. and i do have a bit of evidence to hint at this.
first, he specifically calls our arrival to deltarune as an experiment. and specifically tells you your actions don't matter. this is true since within the game constant characters and events kind of show this off, the game has a set story and you are just the wheels pushing the plot...
except its not. by forcing yourself to experience characters with influence with gaster, jevil and spamton, you can directly alter the direction of the story and obtain optional items that seem to have big influence in the game moving forward. by using determination, we found alternate paths that potentially open up a divergence in the story later on.
in chapter two, we take this a step further, and now we have accurate information showing us that although kris' story is set in stone, we can influence our allies to alter the story. just like how we can command characters to attack using our soul, we can control characters to defy the storys direction. snowgrave proves this, and although it doesn't alter the story much ,we have definitely altered the direction by killing off a key character.
gasters experiment imo, is to see if we can break through the rules of the game, and why would he want that? why would he want us to break the rules? and why in deltarune? well, the dark world has ties with gaster, jevil and spamton have both made a connection to him there, so that likely means gaster is likely somewhere in the dark world. it could be a fragment, a alternative version of him, or literally just gaster himself, but SOMEWHERE gaster lives in there. in undertale, his existance is very slightly hinted at, but in deltarune there are ALIVE and healthy characters that know of him.
With all of the connections tying Noelle to the angel, I can't help but think that the angel's heaven is Noelle's ideal world. She's already expressed her feelings that the dark world is much better than the light world (she could use healing magic to save her dad, she can be strong and make new friends etc.) so having the light world become a dark one would essentially be her 'heaven'. It's possible that in a previous timeline, a choice Noelle made brought the roaring and this is the 'prophecy' that Gaster is trying to stop by restarting the timeline (possibly with some ulterior motive).
Gaster may have chosen to connect with us because we're the type of people to break things and mess with timelines. The weird route might be us altering the timeline and stopping the prophecy from happening.
Gaster sought us out because he knows that we got invested in the world of UT. He wanted players who not only had gotten TP (based on Goner Clam’s appearance and dialogue in TP) and also put in the time and effort to seek him out in the game’s files.
Also, why would Gaster want Side B to happen?? He *wants* the Prophecy to happen as it lays out a clear path to the world being saved. Otherwise, why would Ralsei, someone that he has put in place to ensure that things go smoothly, go “wait we were supposed to-“ on side B?
Whats the music at 8:10
It says at 7:35
What if gaster is reverse LE
what about dess? she's gotta be a big deal in the plot. where does she fit in?
this is a good video but something is up with your mic, you're constantly bouncing back and forth between audio channels and there's occasional whooshing sounds
You guys thought he was going to be a villian? I always thought he was just, well, a guy.
A funky fresh guy
@@mrperson4542hi broket
I think if all fountains dissappeared, then a reverse-roaring would occur: "
*When the SHADOW is subsumed by LIGHT
*When the GRAND FOUNTAIN dissappears
*All will fall into CHAOS
*The COLOSSI will take form from the LIGHT
*And envelop the land in devastation
*The surviving Lightners, crushed by LIGHT
*Will all slowly, one by one, turn to dust
"
Also there is no sufficient evidence about Gaster's morality, and there is nothing that suggests that he is the same gaster from undertale
Why would *DR* Gaster be able to manipulate the timelines of his own world? He theoretically should just be a regular dude.
*UT* Gaster is the one who’s associated with all of the Goners (hence the Goner Maker). It was a line from *UT* Gaster’s Entry 17 that appeared on the Deltarune website back then. *UT* Gaster is the one shattered across time and space, meaning that not only would he be able to easily manipulate the timelines of a world that he exists outside of, but also it enables him to communicate with Darkners in DWs that do not exist yet. And both UT and DR’s trademarks are filed under *Royal Sciences LLC., which would be associated with UT* Gaster. Oh, and don’t forget that on Twitter Gaster asks if “we have been looking for him”, which could only be UT Gaster as why would DR Gaster be aware of us?
Also there is no sufficient evidence supporting the notion that a “reverse-roaring” exists. That presumes that the Grand Fountain in the closet was always present when it most definitely was not. If anything, closing all of the fountains would just cause the lives of the Lightners to become worse due to the lack of Fiction in their lives. That’s it.
@@mrperson4542 I don't think being shattered across time and space would give someone similar power to having the most determination in the underground, and he also shattered across time+space, not alternate universes (tho if DR is just an alternate timeline then it would make sense if some pieces were in it). Also, UT Gaster is *shattered*, and I don't think being shattered is a state where you can have a complex thinking. However, DR Gaster is probably not shattered, therefore, he could theoretically do complex things like creating the vessel.
Also I just feel like a reverse roaring would be nice narratively, but we likely couldn't reach it.
The collosi are just some crap I made up for it to sound closer to the original
@@mrperson4542 If the grand fountain wasn't always present then
A. The world didn't start with balance or 1 fountain isn't balanced
B. There is some way to create a grand fountain
@@Quartz512_ If you have watched Andrew Cunningham's videos on what role DT will play in Deltarune and everything we know about Kris' so thus far, you would know that Saving/Loading in DR functions *very* differently than in UT. UT Gaster himself isn't capable of saving/loading, but he is using a Device to manage the timelines. This is actually one of the biggest reasons why it absolutely cannot be DR Gaster, as if he was the one saving and deleting timelines for us, that would literally mean that he is deleting his own world with him in it. UT Gaster, on the other hand, is not bound to the world of DR and would then be in a position to be able to save/load and not be affected.
Also, just because UT Gaster is shattered does not mean that he isn’t capable of critical thinking. He is literally actively listening in on our conversations with the Goners.
Speaking of the Goners, why would they be related to *DR* Gaster? All they do in UT is talk about *UT* Gaster and *his* actions. If DR Gaster was the one making them, why the heck would they fixate on UT Gaster and not him?
Also, how do you know that DR and UT’s worlds aren’t separated by time and space?? The concept of a multiverse is fictional as far as we know so I do not see the reasoning in trying to apply hypothetical logic to a fictional world. And remember that Ralsei learned of the Prophecy through “whispers across time and space”. Looking at all of the evidence, it 100% is UT Gaster we talk to, not DR Gaster.
Hm, this is a very interesting Theory, i wonder how accurate it will be?
…say, what do you think will be the deal with Onion-San by the end of this Game?
Also, do you know of Bunny Graveyard?
nice video but DAMN your mic is loud as hell.
Wow it's a lot like another character that the community is accusing to be the knight that definately isn't evil and isn't the villian.
*Cough cough* kris *cough cough*
6:24
Not everything Gaster-related has this naming scheme. The Shelter doesn't have it; snd_smile doesn't have it; snd_him_quick doesn't have it; etc. This naming scheme is (almost) exclusively for out-of-universe sequences necessary for the game's function. They are very much related to Gaster, yes, but not everything Gaster-related is of the PROGRAM naming scheme.
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Gaster femboy theory
Gaster femboy theory
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my theory was that he created deltarune in some 4th wall way and some in-game way.
Hello
Are we talking about him here
He don't like this
Fun IS not fun
He is listening right now
Gaster told jevil and spamton that they were in a video game and their choices don't matter.
Yapping
"your name is kris" actually my friend this is the same play tony hawk used in undertale. It DOESN'T say Kris it says "YOUR NAME IS" and whites out the screen. Its probably gonna say, Ralsei.
What if asriel is the angel?
Why? He’s just Kris’ brother in this world.
It would make more sense for Asriel to be the Knight, imo
But if Asriel is the angel, then Papyrus would be the Knight.
buddy, i don't know how to tell you this, but that sprite isn't gaster, that's a character from yume nikki that was also referenced in toby fox's halloween hack
You're so right
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My joke theory is that gaster is actually in deltarune but hes just some guy who is living his life, and the “big villain” is just some new character. I just think it would be a funny storyline to take.