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Murdoch is an unelected beaurocrat without democratic legitimacy who is a foreigner sponging off the state, ie ALL the things he says of others but not himself!
Should Murdoch's puppet Gove be in government: NO Should News International be allowed to operate in the UK while controlled by proprietors not based in the UK and not UK citizens: NO
Corbyn does but the level of stupidity in the electorate is beyond belief. Thatchers children everywhere... working class racism is good for Tory votes.
The British state and civil society were captured by the British Establishment 100s of years ago. Never have so many be so dominated by so few aristocrats and billionaires
@@shspurs1342Explain Why ? I’m not voting for Mr.Starmer , it’s not a Presidential race it’s a party we’re voting for . I will be voting Labour they’re the lesser of the two evils, Starmer won’t be PM that long you know how it works .
@@shspurs1342 Every politician who is signed up as a Friend of the Israeli Lobby is a traitor to our country. In exchange for campaign money and jollies they must put Israel first.
@@Red-Revolution708 There's no difference between Labour & the Tories - they both have the same master, Zionism. Wake up and vote for an Independent or a party that doesn't put a foreign country before our own.
They’ll boot him out in a few months, don’t worry. And if they don’t, then he’ll become the leaders of the Tories in Opposition, and their popularity will never recover.
“He’s like a shiver waiting for a spine.” Former Australian Prime Minister Paul Keating. Politics is the art of making your selfish desires seem like the national interest. Thomas Sowell
US residents, well, the very vast majority - it's so under the radar it's absurdly ridiculous - don't even know Congress has passed a law that will eventually take away their social security. But, of course, the 'paying-in' has not decreased from peoples incomes.
I'm 62. A working class man. Attended a Grammar school till the age of 16 and had no further education since,. I point this out simply as an act of intellectual honesty. Oborne is a natural conservative, he admits this, but his reports are illuminating and honest. He's a Conservative John Pilger, in my book. He doesn't shirk from the truth and certainly doesn't get enough credit. He works outside of the spin, lobby, political greasy pole climbers types and we need more like him. I have always been a Labour moderate but find that, like so many others, in all party's, our political and economic system is captured by the few to the detriment of nearly everyone else including large sections of the middle class. O'borne realises this as does the likes of Owen Jones and others. Our politicians put party before the voters and the two main party's are no longer broad churches with both becoming more right wing than in any time in modern U.K. political history. Both fail to tackle an economic system not fit for purpose. Prefering to tinker around the edges. I think Owen Jones has it right. An incoming Labour party will do nothing of merit and in future we will see the far right gain power here. Liberal politics is failing and it is failing because our politicians are largely self serving or moronic.
@@keithparker1346 Me too. In case anyone is not aware: traditional socialists like Corbyn or Tony Benn are 'libertarian' socialists. This means they tend to support the individual in relations with the state, supporting human rights, individual liberty, free speech, freedom of assembly, religion, etc. Internationally, the libertarian part means supporting international law and the rights of individual states over the brutality of 'might makes right' colonialism, imperialism and war. As a traditional libertarian socialist today, I find myself often allied not only with Peter Oborne (libertarian conservative), but American libertarians (libertarian libertarians) like Ron Paul, or Judge Napolitano regarding the imperial wars in Ukraine and Taiwan and the genocide in Palestine. I find the alliance very humanizing and calming. We just don't talk about economics (we're total opposites)
I am 72 and agree with you almost completely, I too also largely agree with Owen Jones and Novara Media etc. in their observations and analysis. Your points are well-written and succinct. You might be interested in Turchin's book 'End Times', at least their is a touch of hope in there, I feel we need it at the moment! All the best.
@@WarrenPeaceOG on the political compass site I come out as Libertarian Left. One thing I tend to like about US Libertarians is their anti empire anti war stance but that tends to be more based on wasting taxpayers money than any moral arguments. Yes it's strange at first to ally with people who are basically Libertarian right wing
If the likes of him can work their way to the top,what does it say of the rest. What is clear is that none of them are picked for their ability or talents, but for their ability to be corrupted by bribery or blackmail. The shocking revelation will be how many of them are in that group, and the depth of their depravity.
I think Gove is more dangerous than a lot of similar politicians on the right as he comes across as pretty affable and pleasant when talking to people, which can be pretty disarming.
Around 5% of the population of Britain can be classified as millionaires - and if one rounds up to say that the "rich" represents 10 % of the population... when will one have policy that looks out for the 90% of the population...
This came up yesterday so the figures are fresh. Someone making £82k per year is in the top 5%. I absolutely agree with you, but think you should amend your numbers to be more like the findings of the Occupy Movement: 99.99% vs 0.01%. Because even the 1% has a 1%
The number of people who this country is actually run for would fit into one of the premier league stadiums. It’s much fewer than 5% and they individually have much more than a million.
Peter Oborne speaks more sense than just about anybody in his sphere in the UK. Its embarassing what passes for journalism in GB these days, we NEED more like Oborne, prepared to call out the ongoing BS for what it is. Bravo Sir, we salute you!
As an Australian, and to my great shame, I would say that wherever News Inc in whatever form exists in your society, it needs to be properly regulated. The history of the Murdochs and their media interests is the same everywhere. Mis- and dis-information in the service of neo-liberal, billionaire agendas combined with disrespect and damage to any democratic processes which remain intact in your country.
I don’t think this is quite right, they don’t have ideals they are base creatures only interested in greed and personal wealth. Don’t give them credit for anything else!
Tactically vote to get this corrupt lot out and change the voting system to Proportional Representation. Scrap the ridiculous I.D. barrier and lower the voting age. Bring in regional Peoples Policy Forums, so we get what WE want and not politicians. I would love it !
@@keithparker1346 Oh an Owenite. This country has substantial problems to solve. The first and easiest of which is to get the current mob out of power. Then the hard work begins. But you and little Owen and other political puritans would have us fall before the first and lowest hurdle.
Turkeys will never vote for Christmas. We could have Corbyn if it were not for the establishment, not my cup of tea and a major reason why we got Brexit but atleast a principled and morally motivated politcian. Watch The Labour Files documentaries here on youtube, it's scary stuff.
It's a squishy, rubbery face that cries out for Spitting Image caricature. Is this an example of one long perpetual revenge for having been bullied at school?
How hell did Gove get anywhere with a gormless visage as his - unfortunate man. Ah, but there's his ability! Really? I wouldn't employ him to run a bath let alone be a lieutenant of Government.
Funny you should mention him! I only heard of him a week or so ago and wondered who is this guy. So looked him up just to have had the displeasure of finding out who he is.
Gove, by his own criteria of extremism, should be denied all government funding. His presence in the current government is a mark of its moral and intellectual bankruptcy. The sooner it is voted out of power the better. Would that Starmer was not the main alternative.
Everyone should read The Fate of Abraham in.order to help understand the bigoted American roots of the British neo Conservative, anti Muslim, movement...
The words Gove and weasel go together extremely well. I mean he is the type of character that if I was to see him in an episode of Yes Minister which is of course is never going to happen but if he did I would not blink an eye. He has the type of character that if there is a calamity being discussed amongst the chattering journalists in the media. You know there will be someone saying go and get Gove to deal with it go and send him out. Knowing that he will deflect, evade, blur, dissipate, confuse, distance any attempt at any sort of answer knowing the press wont touch him.
Well, he had the 'right' friends of he'd be serving a seven year prison sentence for his cocaine use... (easily checkable) so how he has even got a platform in anything close to politics is absurd.
A phenomenal insight that supports two of my opinions. 1) This level of control (by the powerful) is enabled and supported through our elective dictatorship. We need real democracy. 2) We are simply not allowed transformative government: Corbyn could not be allowed anywhere near power and we are allowed nothing more than Starmer.
You all call everyone who is not a leftist, far right, or a fascist or a nazi or a racist. But I haven’t heard Ultra-Far Right (capitalised to boot!) AND extremists for a long, long time, maybe even ever.
A political system like the one Peter Oborne described in the beginning sounds very much like a system that Steven Levitsky would class as “Competitive Authoritarianism” instead of “Democracy”.
Still my favourite channel for News. Thank you DDN ...any attempt by the Tories to accuse demonstrators of being extremists, will almost certainly backfire by bringing their own, 'neo-con', behaviour under the spotlight of public scrutiny.
Very good. Been aware of Gloves islamophobia for ages (just look at groups he's associated with) while the likes of James O'Brien have praised him just showing how centrists are entirely driven by vibes
All those in the cabinet at the moment have no empathy, they cannot care about others, it's impossible for them to do so. We need a vetting program to keep this kind of person away from any form of public service. Murdock is also of the same ilk.
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I have the book and the audio as well. Amazing insights
A must read.
LOL
Gove cherry picks philosophical/political concepts to create a ragbag of a self-serving manifesto. A total manipulative fraud.
I loath Michael Gove he has been a politician for some time and in my opinion has never done anything for the good of the common people
He was adopted..His own mother gave him up,so he went the hate way and not the empath way. I was adopted and went the way of love
I loath all PLOT TICIANS.
And he'd be proud of never having done anything for the common people.
I loath all PLOT TICIANS
@@wecandothiswarriors well done you
Sneaky little rodent isn't he.
Wessial
Well nye bevan said that the Tories are lower than vermin 😂
Absolutely. In his case what you see is what you get. Really creepy individual
That's an insult to rodents but I know what you mean! 😉
That's an affront to rodents
There should be an in/out referendum on whether UK should stay governed by Rupert Murdoch.
Murdoch is an unelected beaurocrat without democratic legitimacy who is a foreigner sponging off the state, ie ALL the things he says of others but not himself!
😊😊😊
He's been UK dictator for decades now.
Should Murdoch's puppet Gove be in government: NO
Should News International be allowed to operate in the UK while controlled by proprietors not based in the UK and not UK citizens: NO
@@daftdigital Rupert Murdoch has been a dictator in MANY countries for decades now. Not just the UK
Should be in prison not politics .
Like many politicians.
Michael Gove totally sickens me. It's as if he sold his soul to the devil.
Undoubtedly, he has.
I've always thought of him as being mad as a hatter.
He would have had to have had a soul in the first place for that to be possible. Pretty sure that pond slime doesn't have a soul.
Pure evil gove
He has the most slappable face I've ever seen
Thank you for exposing this rat.
And here lies the problem in our country.No one in power gives a damn for the common people.
Yes, the UK in a nutshell. Very sad.
Corbyn does but the level of stupidity in the electorate is beyond belief. Thatchers children everywhere... working class racism is good for Tory votes.
Not just UK the Western World
Andrew Bridgen does he needs our support back
@@wotiluv The 5 eyes plus the EU... all infiltrated by the human haters to control and manipulate for mass impoverishment and ultimate subjugation. 😒
Gove has his political position secured and maintained by wealthy interest groups. He shouldn't be allowed anywhere near power to reshape policy.
How does such a little pip squeaking rodent accumulate such power?
Money. how else.
No one spoke up
By kissing Murdoch's arse.
He kisses the right rings
Corruption.
The Murdoch International Crime Family
The British state and civil society were captured by the British Establishment 100s of years ago. Never have so many be so dominated by so few aristocrats and billionaires
I think we were never free to begin with. Just the illusion of it. We're still serfs
shhhh ! you’re not supposed to notice !!!
just be quiet & keep on voTiNg fOr cHaNgE 😂
And the British Establishment has been captured by Israel.
INVESTIGATE ELBIT SYSTEMS ... & then ask Ritchy about their relationship to INFOSYS, & their role in the UK tech infrastructure
Infosys has a contract for CBDCs I read. True or false???
Thank you Mr Oborne for this excellent show about this ridiculous Shameful Tory.
Keep exposing the truth!
We don't employ them to take away our rights.
Vile in every way
Thank you Peter for unmasking Michael Gove may the rest follow...
He is a preacher of hate. Thank you Peter.
I agree with you. But i definitely think that Kier Starmer & Labour are actually worse.
Hating who?
@@shspurs1342Explain Why ? I’m not voting for Mr.Starmer , it’s not a Presidential race it’s a party we’re voting for .
I will be voting Labour they’re the lesser of the two evils, Starmer won’t be PM that long you know how it works .
@@shspurs1342 Every politician who is signed up as a Friend of the Israeli Lobby is a traitor to our country. In exchange for campaign money and jollies they must put Israel first.
@@Red-Revolution708 There's no difference between Labour & the Tories - they both have the same master, Zionism. Wake up and vote for an Independent or a party that doesn't put a foreign country before our own.
Michael Gove has the courage of Rupert Murdoch's convictions.
Goves' constituents should be ashamed of themselves. He should be in jail not in Parliament.
The same could be said about a whole raft of useless, arrogant, vile Tory's. just why do these idiots vote for them?
They’ll boot him out in a few months, don’t worry. And if they don’t, then he’ll become the leaders of the Tories in Opposition, and their popularity will never recover.
“He’s like a shiver waiting for a spine.”
Former Australian Prime Minister Paul Keating.
Politics is the art of making your selfish desires seem like the national interest.
Thomas Sowell
@kenharris5390. “ He is like a poster of a benign tumour in a children’s cancer ward “. Frankie Boyle.
I still remember Gove cutting disability benefits. He's a heartless snake 🤬
US residents, well, the very vast majority - it's so under the radar it's absurdly ridiculous - don't even know Congress has passed a law that will eventually take away their social security. But, of course, the 'paying-in' has not decreased from peoples incomes.
A menace to society .
Just look at Gove's face , you can tell this straight away
Lol
Spot on !
It says "Bollocks!"
Shouldn't have been difficult, Hunt and Gove rolled together wouldn't make a man.
I disagree. They would. Unfortunately, it would be a very poor excuse of a man.
I've been saying this about Gove for years. Neo Conservative is too polite a term for him.
He means tnuc
I'm 62. A working class man. Attended a Grammar school till the age of 16 and had no further education since,. I point this out simply as an act of intellectual honesty. Oborne is a natural conservative, he admits this, but his reports are illuminating and honest. He's a Conservative John Pilger, in my book. He doesn't shirk from the truth and certainly doesn't get enough credit. He works outside of the spin, lobby, political greasy pole climbers types and we need more like him. I have always been a Labour moderate but find that, like so many others, in all party's, our political and economic system is captured by the few to the detriment of nearly everyone else including large sections of the middle class. O'borne realises this as does the likes of Owen Jones and others. Our politicians put party before the voters and the two main party's are no longer broad churches with both becoming more right wing than in any time in modern U.K. political history. Both fail to tackle an economic system not fit for purpose. Prefering to tinker around the edges. I think Owen Jones has it right. An incoming Labour party will do nothing of merit and in future we will see the far right gain power here. Liberal politics is failing and it is failing because our politicians are largely self serving or moronic.
Oborne is one of the few right wingers I trust
Politics is being driven by insane, apocalyptic neo-con christian zionists. Armageddon by design, not accident or incompetence.
@@keithparker1346 Me too. In case anyone is not aware: traditional socialists like Corbyn or Tony Benn are 'libertarian' socialists. This means they tend to support the individual in relations with the state, supporting human rights, individual liberty, free speech, freedom of assembly, religion, etc. Internationally, the libertarian part means supporting international law and the rights of individual states over the brutality of 'might makes right' colonialism, imperialism and war.
As a traditional libertarian socialist today, I find myself often allied not only with Peter Oborne (libertarian conservative), but American libertarians (libertarian libertarians) like Ron Paul, or Judge Napolitano regarding the imperial wars in Ukraine and Taiwan and the genocide in Palestine. I find the alliance very humanizing and calming. We just don't talk about economics (we're total opposites)
I am 72 and agree with you almost completely, I too also largely agree with Owen Jones and Novara Media etc. in their observations and analysis. Your points are well-written and succinct. You might be interested in Turchin's book 'End Times', at least their is a touch of hope in there, I feel we need it at the moment!
All the best.
@@WarrenPeaceOG on the political compass site I come out as Libertarian Left. One thing I tend to like about US Libertarians is their anti empire anti war stance but that tends to be more based on wasting taxpayers money than any moral arguments. Yes it's strange at first to ally with people who are basically Libertarian right wing
Always thought of him as a weasel. The person behind the scenes shaping and manipulating his way to the top and enacting his own agenda.
Gove is an high priest in the commons
If the likes of him can work their way to the top,what does it say of the rest. What is clear is that none of them are picked for their ability or talents, but for their ability to be corrupted by bribery or blackmail. The shocking revelation will be how many of them are in that group, and the depth of their depravity.
He a slippery snake!
Great insight Mr Oborne 🙏
thank you, Peter. thank you, DDN,
Thank you for sharing and exposing
Many of us in Scotland saw through his sleekit ways a long time ago.
Gove is a living demonstration of the saying, "Politics is showbusiness for ugly people".
I still remember Gove barely able to stand up in the HOC, off his head!
I think Gove is more dangerous than a lot of similar politicians on the right as he comes across as pretty affable and pleasant when talking to people, which can be pretty disarming.
Psychopathic superficial charm.
A typical psychopath.
Around 5% of the population of Britain can be classified as millionaires - and if one rounds up to say that the "rich" represents 10 % of the population... when will one have policy that looks out for the 90% of the population...
This came up yesterday so the figures are fresh. Someone making £82k per year is in the top 5%. I absolutely agree with you, but think you should amend your numbers to be more like the findings of the Occupy Movement: 99.99% vs 0.01%. Because even the 1% has a 1%
The number of people who this country is actually run for would fit into one of the premier league stadiums. It’s much fewer than 5% and they individually have much more than a million.
@@WarrenPeaceOGONS stats show it to be a little bit higher. £87,504 is 95 percentile. £181,152 is 99 percentile.
Peter you are just amazing ❤❤❤❤
No freedom for the young, or the plebs, or the foreigner.
Peter Oborne speaks more sense than just about anybody in his sphere in the UK. Its embarassing what passes for journalism in GB these days, we NEED more like Oborne, prepared to call out the ongoing BS for what it is. Bravo Sir, we salute you!
As an Australian, and to my great shame, I would say that wherever News Inc in whatever form exists in your society, it needs to be properly regulated. The history of the Murdochs and their media interests is the same everywhere. Mis- and dis-information in the service of neo-liberal, billionaire agendas combined with disrespect and damage to any democratic processes which remain intact in your country.
spot on!
Absolutely agree, Murdoch has manipulated the narrative on world politics for over 50 years.
@@ricknardone278. And his father before him.
Rupert Murdoch's father was a Republican & rightly anti establishment because he witnessed their gross incompetence in the Gallipoli Campaign.
I don’t think this is quite right, they don’t have ideals they are base creatures only interested in greed and personal wealth. Don’t give them credit for anything else!
As soon as I started watching I started hearing ' know your enemy '
RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE.
It’s always great to hear what you have to say Peter.
Thank you Peter Oborne for bringing to light who really runs this country and for who.
Excellent piece of journalism.
Gove "Wormtongue" gives me the ick every time I see him!
Well spotted! The very character.
Great journalism and insight
Gove is a Crook 😂
Gove is a skidmark on UK politics. Unfortunately, he's not alone.
Tactically vote to get this corrupt lot out and change the voting system to Proportional Representation. Scrap the ridiculous I.D. barrier and lower the voting age. Bring in regional Peoples Policy Forums, so we get what WE want and not politicians. I would love it !
Assuming you want PR you will need to vote for a party that supports it...that means not voting Labour
@@keithparker1346 Oh an Owenite.
This country has substantial problems to solve.
The first and easiest of which is to get the current mob out of power.
Then the hard work begins.
But you and little Owen and other political puritans would have us fall before the first and lowest hurdle.
Be realistic, you are never going to get proportinal representation. Turkeys dont vote for Christmas.
Turkeys will never vote for Christmas. We could have Corbyn if it were not for the establishment, not my cup of tea and a major reason why we got Brexit but atleast a principled and morally motivated politcian. Watch The Labour Files documentaries here on youtube, it's scary stuff.
We in the North of Ireland have the Proportional representation system and it works much better for the underdog. A much fairer system.
Respect to you Peter for all your hard work and deep knowledge.
I get the impression that Mr Oborne is not very keen on Gove....but then, the object of his emnity IS an odious little dissembler.
Well said Peter Oborne and keep up your good work. How about a programme about the weird individual William Hague?
It's High time the country is run for the citizens of the place.
excellent journalism!
Evil reeks off Mr Gove
Thank you Peter.
Much respect to DDN.
Thank you
Peter Oborne Sir Thank you.
It's a squishy, rubbery face that cries out for Spitting Image caricature. Is this an example of one long perpetual revenge for having been bullied at school?
PMs come and go but Gove is always there.
How hell did Gove get anywhere with a gormless visage as his - unfortunate man. Ah, but there's his ability! Really? I wouldn't employ him to run a bath let alone be a lieutenant of Government.
Dougie Smith is another one. Very powerful in the tory party, but barely known to outsiders
Funny you should mention him! I only heard of him a week or so ago and wondered who is this guy. So looked him up just to have had the displeasure of finding out who he is.
He's proper shady,him and Gove are the king makers /breakers in the party@@tal4546
Venal corruption is alive and well
Gove is the Mr Slimy of Politics, he makes my flesh creep.
Excellent journalism as always.
A follow up on Mandelson please Peter.
We’ll have a follow up on Comintern Corbyn first , if you don’t mind.
We are not governed , we are used!
Gove, by his own criteria of extremism, should be denied all government funding. His presence in the current government is a mark of its moral and intellectual bankruptcy. The sooner it is voted out of power the better. Would that Starmer was not the main alternative.
He leaves a foul slimy trail wherever he goes!
Thank you - in a world of greed and selfish on an epic scale, this is like a glass of pure water for a thirsty soul in the desert
I had a sense of this for years, but until now could not put my finger on what I was seeing in/ feeling about Gove. Thanks.
Everyone should read The Fate of Abraham in.order to help understand the bigoted American roots of the British neo Conservative, anti Muslim, movement...
Great truthful article.
The words Gove and weasel go together extremely well. I mean he is the type of character that if I was to see him in an episode of Yes Minister which is of course is never going to happen but if he did I would not blink an eye. He has the type of character that if there is a calamity being discussed amongst the chattering journalists in the media. You know there will be someone saying go and get Gove to deal with it go and send him out. Knowing that he will deflect, evade, blur, dissipate, confuse, distance any attempt at any sort of answer knowing the press wont touch him.
Thanks you Peter.
If you held a popularity contest between gove and a bag of weasels the weasels would win hands down.
Gove is a total slimeball
Really well presented and interesting observations.
Well, he had the 'right' friends of he'd be serving a seven year prison sentence for his cocaine use... (easily checkable) so how he has even got a platform in anything close to politics is absurd.
1:52 👃
A phenomenal insight that supports two of my opinions. 1) This level of control (by the powerful) is enabled and supported through our elective dictatorship. We need real democracy.
2) We are simply not allowed transformative government: Corbyn could not be allowed anywhere near power and we are allowed nothing more than Starmer.
We used to call Ultra-Far Right extremists "Fascists". Is it too PC now?
You all call everyone who is not a leftist, far right, or a fascist or a nazi or a racist. But I haven’t heard Ultra-Far Right (capitalised to boot!) AND extremists for a long, long time, maybe even ever.
@Libertariun they represent said ideology very well. it's got nothing to do with simply anyone on the right. it's the actual situation.
Who in their right mind could vote for gove 😂😂
Thanks Peter. Keep staying the course my friend.
“The day after we leave we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want” 9 April 2016 (Micheal Gove)
Outstanding commentary, thank you.
A political system like the one Peter Oborne described in the beginning sounds very much like a system that Steven Levitsky would class as “Competitive Authoritarianism” instead of “Democracy”.
Peter you forgot to also mention , he's always sweaty😂
Still my favourite channel for News. Thank you DDN ...any attempt by the Tories to accuse demonstrators of being extremists, will almost certainly backfire by bringing their own, 'neo-con', behaviour under the spotlight of public scrutiny.
Thanks folks & please keep shining your honest lights...❤
This makes so much sense now its pointed out, I couldn't understand gove till I saw this.
Very good. Been aware of Gloves islamophobia for ages (just look at groups he's associated with) while the likes of James O'Brien have praised him just showing how centrists are entirely driven by vibes
I absolutely love this channel.
All those in the cabinet at the moment have no empathy, they cannot care about others, it's impossible for them to do so. We need a vetting program to keep this kind of person away from any form of public service. Murdock is also of the same ilk.
Thanks for this. Wish more of this info was in the main stream. Oborne is a great writer.
Thank you Sir for exposing these terror merchants in suits that too in charge of nation's policies!
They say that only the good die young, aged 93 Murdoch is the perfect example.
Excellent, although disturbing, synopsis 👏
Murdoch's latest wedding ha ha