How many Apollo artifacts should we save?
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In recent years NASA has demolished several major pieces of hardware which were used for the Apollo, Skylab, and Shuttle missions not because they wanted to but because they just didn't have the room to store them. At the same time artifacts from the most famous missions have been fetching higher and higher prices so in this video, we look at what we should be saving and what happens to the small stuff.
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I was tasked with reducing hardware storage costs at ULA. I inventoried all the stuff stored at multiple locations. Then a process of determining if the stuff was needed near term, long term or not at all. If it wasn't needed it got scrapped. Since we were finished with all production of Delta II rockets, only spare hardware that might need to be used as a repair or replacement item would be kept.There were some nice items not needed but might be nice to retain at a museum for historical purposes.
For those items I called around to some space museums to see if they were interested. The catch was the museum would need to pay for any handling and transportation costs. There should be no cost to the company for giving the hardware away. None of the museums had the funding to even pick up the hardware. A Delta II second stage could probably be put in the back of a pick-up truck, but no takers. Most of it got scrapped. Thankfully A lot was "We might need this" and that resulted in the Delta II that now is on display at the Kennedy Space Center.
Proud Mosquito Beater here, thanks for making sure history was saved. Best to you.
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You would think in modern times there would be a few transport companies willing to transport for free for the publicity. Imagine the photos on socials of one of your branded trucks driving a second stage to a museum.
@@hkr667 Maybe, but would you work for free?
@@TucsonDude , it wouldn't necessarily be "for free", if done smart. The value of the exposure could very well turn out to be greater than the actual costs.
Whenever I hear about some agency or organization sending out a request and getting no response, I often wonder where they sent that request to? I never heard it. I get the feeling some guy in his office late at night said, "Is anyone interested?" to an empty room and then concluded that there was no interest so marked it as a failure.
"Dear Earthlings, this is the Vogons speaking. As you know, the Earth is about to be demolished, we ... wait, you don't know? Well, the plans have been on display at the office on Proxima Centauri for years..."
I agree. I've not ever heard of a single request either. And how would we? There's no standard way of getting this information out to the public, and even if there were, how would we know when to look? This is a serious flaw in what I'm not even sure is a procedure.
I heard about it. Are you a professional academic? I'm guessing not.
@@leftaroundabout you got it. plans were clearly displayed and accessible to the public for viewing on the 29th of february at 2AM EST in sub basement 7c of building F...
Nasa press conferences still get international coverage right?
It pains to say, but bravo Jeff. Getting the F1’s in a museum is pretty awesome.
Why does it pain to say it?
@@yassmJeff's Blue Orgin hasn't exactly played nicely with the space community
Patented barge landings and subsequently sued SpaceX
Sued NASA for not being selected for 1st HLS contract
Released a PR campaign against that HLS selection
Rampant sexual discrimination inside Blue Orgin
Signed contract to deliver BE-4 engines to ULA by 2017 - they were eventually delivered late 2022
even a dead clocks' right twice a day,
@@yassm because he runs a company that doesn't pay workers enough, pays millions of dollars to bust unions, and is a mega polluter killing the planet. Plus, it's generally considered what's known as a "dick move" to have hundreds of billions of dollars and spend it on whacky space rides instead of you know, like literally anything else.
@@yassm Because Jeffy Bozos is one of the biggest pieces of human waste on the planet that isn't already pushing up daisies. You hear more about how much of a PoS Elon is because he can't seem to STFU if his life depended on it, but Jeffy lurks in the shadows out of the limelight, managing to be dramatically worse of a person. Also he's one of the most toxic examples of cutthroat capitalism out there today.
Curious Marc channel really should have gotten a shout-out in this video. Considering how much Apollo stuff he restored recently. A real Apollo computer, communication equipment and related stuff.
Absolutely !!!! I too have said so above ! thanks !
I wrote a couple of lines explaning this too. I really hope he hear us on this regard !
Not to mention soyuz manual flight clock
Beat me to it. As a retired engineer watching them reverse engineer, with substantial NASA documentation has been fascinating. As mentioned they also were able to restore a Soyuz mechanical flight clock.
@@weirdwes6725 yes but that was not really Apollo related like this video is.
Very surprised you didn't mention Curious Marc !! him and his gang have very nearly completed the repair, test and use of the actual communications system between Earth and Apollo 11 including voice and TV plus other stuff !! they have incredible passion and should be honoured ! interesting vid though.....cheers.
I thought the very same thing.
Same here, as a test and measurement geek myself Marc and his band of fellow geeks have done an exceptional job of resurrecting this equipment, including the AGC.
@@CraigPetersen12f36b Metrology FTW !
I just hope they rescue Hubble when its mission is finally done and it closes its lens cap for the last time. It belongs in a museum, surrounded by a gallery of its photos. It was never meant to die in the atmosphere.
There is NO atmosphere in space😮 you didn't know????
If Dragon doesn’t boost it to a higher orbit, and no other craft protects it for re-entry, then yes, it will burn up in the atmosphere.
@@johnhouston9764 He's talking about it burning up on reentry.
@@johnhouston9764Yes, there is. There is enough atmosphere in hubbles orbit to slow it down and deorbit it.
At Orroral Valley tracking station outside the Australian Capital Canberra, we used to support the ALSEP experiments installed by Apollo 12, 14, 15, 16, and 17 astronauts on the lunar surface. Always wondered what happened to the backup tapes we recorded on a daily basis…
The good bits have long since been destroyed, you can be sure.
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No, they weren’t but there were so many thousands of tapes storage was always an ongoing problem
@stephenpage-murray7226 When 20Gig was unimaginable, storage was not cheap. Far from it.
Where they seen a “ Santa Claus “ 🛸👽
@@craigmackay4909
Unfortunately we didn’t
While visiting Kennedy Space Centre in July 2001, my son and myself took one of the many tour buses. During the tour the bus passed some of the smaller engineering workshops near to the VAB. There - loose stacked and part cut-up - were the remnants oft the red steel umbilical tower structure. It seemed sad to see the remains of these iconic structures in such a state which I had originally watched on TV as a teenager - as they supported man's first missions to the moon in the late 60's and early 70's. For me they were the real history still to be viewed.
NASA: "Hey. Do you want the MLP from which Apollo 11 launched?"
Every Museum: "Yes!"
NASA: "Great. You can pick it up any time. Just organize the transport and give us a heads up."
Every Museum: "Oh... Suuuuure. Mmm..." *Sounds of footsteps, a door being opened, a car door being opened and shut, an engine getting started, a car driving away
NASA: "Hello?"
Ugh... pretty much anything connected to Apollo 11 needs to be saved, because the longer time goes by, the more people will think it was impossible, so the things that made it possible must be saved.
How do you know it was possible?
@@JurgenMB The same reason I do-you have to not be science ignorant.
You can't save everything.
Believe me, I would love to see it all get saved, but it's impossible.
I think for these larger objects it would be nice to have it 3D scanned and photographed so it can live on in digital format for future generations to discover. Also nice as a reference when in the future people might wonder "How did we do that back then?". I'm a engineer and there are many occasions where I need to reverse engineer a part because the origin is lost to time.
Hi @Curious Droid, I am an Aerospace (Air and Space) Graduate from ERAU (Go Eagles!). I have to say your documentaries of Aircraft, Spacecraft and Rockets are fantastic! Always love the more educated and humble way you present the topics. Thank you for your service! I am planning on doing Educational RUclips videos and going to be a professor. Also on today's topic, This is a coincidence because I was just there at Kennedy Space Center last week when I took the more exclusive tour they had at the time and asked this very topic to the tour guide, of what will happen to MLP3? Its sad that it will be demolished, I was hoping that it can be broken to some pieces and that way it can be in museums. Like Indiana Jones would say "This belongs in a Museum!" But its sad that a huge piece of history is going to be lost, but at the same time I am happy that Artemis is progressing with the soon to be under construction Mobile Launcher 2 for SLS Block 1B and Block 2 Variants.
Anyways thanks again and keep on soaring! I was wondering if there is going to be more videos of the Space Shuttle, Supersonic Jets and more. Anyways glad to hear your doing well and keep on rocking.
Kind of different structure but I was really sad that CVN-65 could not be made a museum ship because of the nuclear reactor, I am glad that some of CVN-65 Enterprise will be added to the new CVN-80 Enterprise.
I really wish they could preserve the island of CVN-65. It is so unique to its own.
It's possible they could preserve the unique island of the ship but the question is where to put it and of course $$$$$$$. Who's going to pay for its storage, salvage and display at a permanent location. It's all about economics and logistics and the reality of the operation.
MLP 3 is the one that should be saved. The first time the completed vehicles for Apollo 8 and 11 moved was on MLP 3. So in a way it was the "stage" that started both of those historic journeys.
It's too late: MLP-3 demolition is already ongoing. It's been cut up pretty badly.
@@TheBleggh a major loss..
Reminds me of the Russian Space Shuttle Buran. It basically sat in a abandoned hanger, fell apart and almost faded away. I have a bucket list trip scheduled to go to the Kennedy Space Center. You got to see this stuff before it's scrapped.
Saw one of the Buran's in a museum at Speyer in Germany. Well worth a look.
Save the small intricate bits bit I'm afraid the large things you don't really have a choice. Luckily we have some pictures and videos that we can hopefully preserve forever. So many civilisations wonders didn't have that luxury
ALL, every, and any. Absolute treasures. Very cool that done are so big, storage is the problem.
The Kansas Cosmosphere, whose role in conserving the Apollo 11 Saturn V artifacts retrieved from the ocean you mentioned, is an amazing place. Besides the Apollo 13 command module and lots of other items from NASA and the US, it has an exceptional collection of historic and significant Soviet items bought for preservation when the USSR was falling apart. Early German items like a V1 and a V2, etc.,, etc., etc. Too bad that Hutchinson is so out of the way, not really on your way to anywhere, but worth a special trip for a space geek. Worth a visit to the Wichita Aviation Museum while in that neck of the woods, too.
My home town. Had prom under the SR71 at the Cosmosphere. Classmate participated in Liberty Bell 7 preservation.
The salt museum is also a worthwhile, neat stop if you are in the area. The cosmosphere is an absolute gem and lucky to have it so close in a small town America location. Some real primo artifacts there as mentioned. Where else are you going to see a soyuz capsule or Apollo 13's capsule, etc. I need to go back, its been a while!
I can see it being difficult to find a place for those launch pads. All the little bits like camera placements would be the kind of item which is easy and useful to put in museums all over the place. it would be a lot like saving the boarding ramp from the tower. Wonderful that those things are saved for people to see.
It's true we can't hang on to everything but I consider it a crying shame that Britain scrapped HMS Warspite despite how storied HMS Belfast is.
In Huntsville, AL, we have 2 Saturn 5's (one is standing up the other is laid out in sections), 1 Saturn 1B, an F1 engine, a command module, and I think a lunar lander as well as a bunch of small items. These are all test articles except for the command module.
Great collection of stories and images thank you very much
Paul,
An idea for an episode: How heat pipes work in cpu heat sinks. They are quite fascinating little engineering marvels. It would be interesting to hear more about the principles and the history behind them.
In 1,000 years, even a rusty screw linked to the program that took man beyond Earth for the first time will be of significant value.
Best space related channel on RUclips by a country mile. Thanks
I found some transparencies of diagrams for the lunar lander at a thrift shop near the space center a couple weeks ago. They wanted $300 and as much as I want it, I just can't afford it right now. You can find so many incredible things around the thrift stores there from people who once worked on the program. I tend to collect cheaper nick-nacks, like diagrams that once hung in the VAB or print outs of flight plans for shuttle missions. I wish it could all be displayed in the museums around the area.
My uncle worked at the Cape for Boeing all through Mercury Gemini and Apollo, and we'll into the Shuttle and other missions down there, I live and grew up in Pennsylvania where he was originally from but he'd already been living down there when I was born in 65.
He passed away in 2017 and family of mine down there sent me his jewelry box, in it is matched sets of cuff links and tie pins from all the missions he was involved in and believe me, he was involved in all of them, I don't know if it was NASA themselves or Boeing who gave them to the people involved with the missions but there's a set from just about every mission you can name, every one of the Mercury except the first few🎉, Gemini and Apollo one's along with Shuttle missions and satellites both placed in orbit by the Shuttle and deep space satellites launched by their own rockets, obscure one's I have to look up.
When I was a kid in the 70's he was like a rock star to me, that jewelry box and what's in it are the most prized possessions I have in this world, you can bet in a few years when man returns to the moon I'll be dressed in my best suit with the Apollo 11 cuff links and tie pin on, unlike on the evening of July 20th 1969 when I had my Casper The Friendly Ghost pajamas on when I watched Neil Armstrong set foot on the moon, this time my attire won't be so casual.
I wouldn't care how much money someone would offer me for that jewelry box and it's contents, to me it's priceless and I'll never sell it.
Enjoy these space videos!!!! Keep them coming!!!
Don't ask me, I'd keep everything! If one doesn't already exist, I'd recommend a department in, say, the Smithsonian be created for this task, although there's that risk they would lean towards my personal preference, as realistically untenable it is. It's awfully difficult to determine what future generations will consider historically significant, and it is for them we're preserving history for.
There are so many examples of aircraft being demolished at Davis-Monthan that we wished were saved, as well as so many private industry's prototypes that were scrapped that a lot of us mourn over for not being preserved.
Clearly, we're doing much better at preserving historically significant artifacts, the YF-23s being excellent examples. I completely understand the quandary NASA has with respect to the MLPS: where do we put them, who's going to fund the preservation, who is going to manage the upkeep and display?
This is well outside of NASA's original charter and ought to be the purview of a department chartered for this task. Maybe the best decision would be to scrap much of this equipment, and perhaps a thorough 3D digital rendering placed in an online archive is sufficient. Maybe there is a process whereby the public can decide, or at least have an input (probably more realistic).
As well as we as a nation are doing at preserving our past, it's dramatically obvious what a particular ideology is doing to either revision or erase America's history and legacy. A depressing example is of a third grader being asked to name a single president, and the only answer was George Washington; when asked what Washington is known for, the only response was that he was a slave owner. This example was from Elon Musk, asking a friend's child attending a public school. This is so wrong and so dangerous for this nation's future.
Preserving artifacts is, no doubt, extremely important. Educating the young and old alike about the greatness, the not-so-great, and the abject failures of America is vital. The grand truth and the ugly truth must not be erased (or cancelled, the trendy far left term so popular today) or revised, or even swept under the rug, and the falsification of what happened should well be criminalized.
This is important stuff. Kudos to Curious Droid for making a conversation about it.
Love this topic! So happy to see some of these artifacts at the visitor center at the Kennedy Center last summer
Love love love your content Paul. Top Drawer.
The Apollo program was our equivalent of building the pyramids. It was a monumental achievement in all the history of the planet let alone mankind. Imagine how we ache to know how they built the pyramids , will the future also be mystified on how going to the moon was done because we destroyed all the tools we used to do it.
We have one advantage that the Egyptians didn't have-we documented basically everything.
@@almostfm A whole bunch of the paper docs have already been lost. The digital media and taped media are crumbling as we speak.
Good Stuff. Thanks Paul
Great channel, love your work
I think SpaceX could use one of these launch platforms after their recent troubles.
Even if it's just a starting piece to make modifications on.
Reusable rocket, expendable pad. I like it.
My first impulse is "as many as we can, because those we don't save will be missed later." Like how we didn't save the first USS Enterprise (CV-6) or BB-48 West Virginia, HMS Warspite or Vanguard, an intact Handley Page Halifax, the B-17 named 5 Grand that was signed by everyone who built it or the first XP-86 Sabre.
The real question is how many of those amazing shirts will you save for posterity?
All of your shirts are fun, but this one is extra cool 👍🏼
I wished 3d mapping and VR is more advanced than what we have now so that we can store the likeness of these huge historic objects there , and so that anyone can visit the place in virtual space.
Very interesting video, as always :)
I knew that the F1’s had been picked up, didn’t know they were at the Seattle museum! I need to visit again… been a few years
Great video as ever
"Well done!, sir" ....and a very poignant and well-thought-out closing. Super job
Another stunning shirt there Paul...well done !
Thank You Paul!
I got to see MLP-3 a month ago. It is still mostly intact
As the great Indiana Jones said: This belongs to museum!
I am a true believer of this statement.
I love your videos, and I hope you are doing well.
Also, I love every time you post a video with "Apollo" or "Moon" in the title, RUclips always adds a "Context" box below your video, probably without your knowledge or approval, to remind me that you might be trying to lie me about the moon landings.
Have you ever tried posting to Odysee? Just a thought.
I would love If you Also covered some aspects of the Soviet Space Program.
Along with the Chinese and other nations that have also visited space.
It is a really interesting question overall. How much of the physical past should we carry into the future? How much space should we dedicate to things that no longer do what they were designed for?
What should we alter and repurpose, and what should be preserved and no longer used?
How much nostalgia should get in the way of progress, and how much development should wipe away the foundations on which it was based?
Anyone that has had to downsize where they live will appreciate the question of just how much junk can you keep.
It's not an enviable task to decide as you'll always need something just after you've thrown it away.
It would be great if one day the Apollo 10 LEM accent module could be retrieved from it's lonely orbit!
Always something to learn
If NASA needs a spot to keep the MLPs, I can clear out some room in my garage 😂😂
MLP3 should be broken down into several small sizes and sold at different price points, to the public to raise funds. For say $25 you could own a piece of the Apollo 11 mission. I bet NASA could get more money per ft² this way than via strictly scraping it.
Well I love your insights knowledge of the Apollo space program. I'm kind of a space nerd a little bit I'd would have never have known this if you would never have brought turn light on youTube
TBH I feel like this stuff shouldn't even be sold off to private people, this is invaluable artifacts of the space race that should be in museums, not in peoples personal collections.
Unfortunately sometimes things get preserved better in private collections than in museums, you could watch Ian from forgotten weapons explain the challenge museums have in preserving artifacts
Come to think of it. Spacex might want to preserve some of their stuff too. Especially the crew module of their first manned space mission with Doug & Bob.
@@user-mz7fx8zw4w Good to hear that.
In the future I think NASA won't launch their own rockets much but will be more of a control organ and funneling missions and funding to privat companies.
Amazing content.
Very good thanks.
Interesting that NASA caved so quickly with the LUNAR sample bag. I have been told that US Government property Remains property of the Agency from which it was issued. Items that are removed must be authorized for release to a permanent entity. When that entitiy no longer wants item its is to be returned to said agency. Then a further determination is made as to future of the item.. This was explained to me at the SMITHSONIAN'S now defunct Gerber facility in MD.
Video: Endles square miles of scrubland and swamp
NASA: I don't have anywhere to put anything
Those miles of scrubland and swamp will quickly take their toll on anything not being actively maintained...
@@TheBleggh It's never going to be used again, so maintinance is less of an issue.
Though stil not sure why they couldn't have just parked it outside the LC39 Observation Gantry. Extend the fence once it's in place and give the tourists something extra to look at.
Pretty soon it's a of pile of rust and people complain that it needs to be maintained. The cheap option is to get rid of it now.
Wow, only just realised you hit 1m subs. Well done mate :)
I've been saddened to see the Apollo era tracking stations here in Australia go from mothballed to demolished.
We have a tendency to destroy, lose the knowledge and forget how to build. Save as much as possible!
Nice Shirt ! If I remember correctly, Mr. Humble himself (Neil Armstrong) had a collection of Apollo 11 items stashed in his attic that weren't known about until his wife found them after his death. I don't recall where they ended up but I'd probably pay some Museum real dollars just to look at them.
Save everything ‼️
You forget, someone has to bear the storage costs. Also in many states there's property taxes on equipment and inventory.
Love the shirt!
If nothing else nasa should have the coolest yard sale ever.
I hope they save the mobile crawler for Apollo 11. After all they have preserved Battleships.
they could have chopped the crawler up into medallions and sold them for 500$ a piece,, hell I would buy one.
Bulova Accutron movements were used in the Apollo LM cockpit instruments.
6:10 dang it, I was just at KSC and didn't know about these walkways because you didn't make this video in time. I blame you 😅
The prices that these items (and others) go for is absolutely ridiculous! Not to downplay their significance or anything, but it just baffles me.
I have an original NASA photo of the Apollo 15 Flag Salute featuring Astronaut James Irwin, and personally autographed. It came from Jim Irwin.
The Cosmosphere is a diamond buried in the rump of the US. What that "criminal" did was make space stuff available in ways no other museum could. Shady, sure. Effective and unique, yes. I suggest every space, and history, buff check it out. Fly into Wichita, don't slit your wrists trying to drive there (or stop and mess with the buffalo). Paul, I hope you get the chance to see it one day (allocate 2-3). I've been to the majors, and the Cosmosphere is the best experience from a layout/story and access to artifacts perspective. Bring a high-CRI flashlight ;)
All of it! The assembly building will suffice I think, and the MLP can be parked at the entrance🤓
As far as an MLP goes, its sheer size would seem to make keeping it somewhere on KSC the most viable option. I don't know how many organizations reasonably have both the space to park the thing AND the resources to transport it.
Maybe they could use it as a VIP launch viewing area, putting it up by the Saturn-V center or south of the VAB? (Keeping things safe for people might be easier if you're controlling access via ticket sales and limiting access to launch events.)
A wonderful video I watched with the missus. I had so many questions and my wife just said I like Paul’s shirt. 😂
I think these deserve to be preserved in detail in digital form, so they can be visited in VR and be part of both fan made and commercial software projects. So make sure to save them as detailed as possible digitally. No risk people hurt themselves by the VR view itself or at least not worse than any VR experience. You can then do tours and such in the future or have a really good way to recreate them, if the future wants to have them physically again.
If I know anything about NASA (or any government program for that matter) is that in a few years they’ll “discover” a need for a vehicle identical to the mobile launch pads after having scrapped the old ones, and spend billions of dollars (mostly over budget) to recreate them.
Haha, you're probably correct.
@@ronjon7942 Not really. The MLPs are modified Apollo/Saturn V Mobile Launchers (MLs). Main difference is the removal of the Launcher Umbilical Tower(LUT) from each of them and the addition of the two shuttle-specific Tail Service Masts (TSMs) as well as the relocation of the center exhaust duct and the addition of two more exhaust ducts for the two SRBs and the Sound Suppression Water System (SSWS) hardware. Early on NASA did look at repurposing the MLPs yet again for the Constellation Program (CxP) and will it would have worked for the smaller and lighter Ares 1 Crew Launch Vehicle, they would have been too heavy with Ares V Cargo Launch Vehicle and its required LUT for the the Crawler Transporters. It would have required brand new "Super-Crawlers" to be designed and procured.
So the decision was made to retire the MLPs at the end of the shuttle program and build a new "multi-vehicle capable" Mobile Launcher instead. While it superficially resembled the Apollo/Saturn V MLs, it used new designs and construction methods to make it as light as possible in order for the CTs to be able to carry it with a fully assembled vehicle. The CTs did receive strengthening upgrades to improve their carrying capability, this was more of a modernization upgrade as the 32(16/CT) original hydraulic cylinders dated back to the Apollo program (some of them were replaced back in 2002 after finding cracks in their spherical bushings, but they were of the same design and capability).
NASA tries to reuse existing ground infrastructure as much as its practical. However old MLPs are not suitable for modern applications. SLS is the heaviest vehicle NASA has made so far, and towers for it have very tight mass margins, even with upgraded CT. This is why NASA needs MLs specifically designed for SLS, they MUST be as light as possibile, beacuse on the crawler SLS alone will weight like, out of my head, up to almost 2000t.
bull ah vah, oh may gah. i had that model of speedmaster. bought it from the PX in Germany, 72 or so. interesting as always, thanks.
Big shout out to @CuriousMarc. They have done some serious work towards restoring the Apollo mission gear!
Find a flat piece of property in an appropriate city for a museum of space exploration. Park the mobile launcher on the property, and build the museum on top. Fill the museum with the best stuff.
I’ll send Jimmy over with the pickup tomorrow, there’s some room in the side yard.
What should be removed from the surface of Luna & Mars? What should be left in place, & what should be brought back to Earth?
It took humanity 6 million years to leave earth. Thinking beyond our individual lifespans, we should probably make the effort to preserve Apollo artifacts. Truly a defining moment in our history. Alternatively, maybe recycle the crawler metal to build a new hangar for the air and space museum?
For me, I'd have no trouble with the launchers. A museum should be constructed atop the launcher that launched Apollo 11 and shuttle launches, this launcher is of historical significance. I guarantee several parts of the mlp2 (apollo 11) launcher found its way into the homes of the NASA employees.
“Good luck, Mr. Gorsky!”
When Artemis was first being designed and built, they had to go back and disassemble old Apollo spacecraft now in musuems because nobody remembered how these things were put together and, incredibly, the blueprints and plans were said to be "lost!" If we destroy our history, we lose who we were and what we could become!!!
Complete bullshit. Artemis is not a copy of the Apollo capsule. They didn't reference it for anything.
Your shirt reminded me more of 60s/70s acid trips rather than apollo.
If that's still in lunar orbit, we should save Apollo 11’s Eagle.
Crashed on the Moon.
A bit sad, still recycling is better than trashing. Having lived through all the space programs you mentioned. Do I start thinking of myself as an artifact? Thanks for sharing.😊
Good news! The crawler has been acceped by a museum in California! The drive is expected to take 300 years, so future generations will have this to look forward to!
Surprised someone didn’t turn it into an AirBnB! That often seems the answer to all these types of historical structures. Slightly less tragic than destroying it all together.
Honestly, they should try and drive it into the surrounding forest, boom. Leave it there. In the background, see how far they can go in before getting stuck.
The MLPs aren't suitable for display or collection just due to their sheer size. They are subject to weather corrosion, and in time would be too dangerous to even enter, let alone move. Dismantling and recycling them was the correct choice.
It's not the crawlers, it's the metal platform they carried and put down for the rocket to launch from. There are only two crawlers, one of which has been upgraded to carry SLS which is heavier. Given the cost in the crawlers they're too valuable to scrap the other even though NASA has no current use for it.
Don't you mean the MLPs? The crawlers are still in active use.
C’mon, how many battleships and aircraft carriers have been turned into living museums? Size, transport, corrosion prevention and retrofitting are not insurmountable issues by any means…
@@GlutenEruption I see your point. But very few actually. The vast majority of decommissioned naval vessels are scrapped or sunk to be used as artificial reefs. Naval vessels also have the added advantage of being very mobile in water by using tug boats. Corrosion is still a big issue and regular maintenance is of course required.
@@TheBleggh Yes, that is what I meant, sorry.
Nerds of their respective fields will always want to preserve everything, myself included. But that math works against us here, as the more time goes by, the more stuff will have to be collected, taking up space that is going to become a at a greater and greater premium.
So, you're expecting more stuff to need to be collected from a time period that will only become farther in the past... I must be misunderstanding something here.
The Moon landers and footprints on the Moon should be fenced off to discourage souvenir hunters
I find it very hard to believe the Smithsonian were not interested in recycling. I'm sure they could have found room for a caterpillar track at Udvar Hazy.
They could have turned it into a mobile "Saturn Launch Hotel" and made a fortune
The ultimate AirBnB.
@@horsenuts1831 absolutely 👍
There is a distracting sound coming from your hands by putting your fingers together every other second. Never realized this before, so it might be just me. 😅 Thank You for another beautiful topic and video.