Genetics played a big part in our daughter cancer....she does not smoke or drink, but she still got synovial sarcoma. Not once did we think do blame God for this. It is something that just happens sometimes, and cancer on my husband's side of the family is extreme. She had to have her right leg amputate, but she is now in remission. This cancer is never considered cured, it can come back anytime and when it does it is mostly fatal. But she could live another 30 or more years as well. We just take one day at a time. One scan at a time. And thank God for the victories.
It's interesting, people who actually go through horrendous evil rarely blame God on it, but atheists on online forums and in universities think it's a big problem
@@generalyousif3640 is it better to practise apologetics to degrade another Christian with this topic in the video or help spreading God's hope and love to those who have cancer?
I have had cancer twice. Two different unrelated cancers one after another. Funnily my relationship with God has been strengthened through these challenges in recent years. Inspired by the likes of Fr Casey, I have joined the Catholic Church and was baptised at the Easter vigil earlier this year. What I’ve come to realise his life is a gift, bestowed on me by my Lord, and every day that I wake up, I thank him for this precious gift of breath in my lungs. My doctors have researched, tested and questioned why I have had the cancers and they have no answer. What they’ve been able to offer me is great, but brutal, treatment. I’m now in remission from one cancer and looking to be in remission from the other soon. For now, I am happy and feel utterly blessed because of my faith. I’m surrounded by so much love, from my doctors and nurses and other patients as well as my family and friends, and sometimes even strangers. I will glorify his name even amidst the challenges I face. ❤️
My father beat 4 cancers and is now potentially fighting his 5th one, although his condition might not be cancer. He had many blood transfusions, over 10 in less than 2 months.
This isn't a great one. Cancer can be induced by human decisions yes but its also naturally occurring. A chance mutation that is dangerous to the body. This also doesn't really strike at the philosophical question underpinning the question. "Why does God allow suffering?" or better yet "Why does God allow lethal suffering?" Suffering like cancer can have human based causes, so can hurricanes, but the suffering that these potentially natural or unnatural phenomenon cause are at the bottom of the feeling expressed. How can God let us suffer due to things out of our control? It's not really addressed here.
The reason he's not addressing it is because he *can't* address it without either reducing the power and status of his god or recharacterizing his god to be far less benevolent than is claimed. This is one of those issues that can relate back to the 'Problem of Evil' conundrum faced by both Catholicism and Christianity, where this supposedly all-powerful, all-knowing and all-loving being is perfectly willing to let such terrible things occur to the people they're supposed to care for.
I never blamed God for my cancer. I thanked God for blessing my doctors with the knowledge and the healing hands that were placed on my miserable body. I used my cancer as my cloister and prayed and meditated on Him and His Son and the saints and angels. It saved me, gave me hope and eventually lifted me up and healed me.
"I thanked God for blessing my doctors with the knowledge" Yes because the best way to thank your doctors is to devalue them by thanking god for doing nothing. Your doctors had that knowledge because they worked hard to learn that knowledge, knowledge that came of us humans stumbling around trying to understand why people were getting sick and how to made them better.
Regardless, there are still insane amounts of instances of cancer developing without any external factors in play. What else are you to blame in such cases? If God is all seeing and loving, won't he intervene? And in cases where the cancer is from human-made causes, why won't he intervene regardless?
And why did god make asbestos cause cancer and not tell us about it? All these things that Friar Casey blames for causing cancer were made by god. He chose to make asbestos and burning fuels cause cancer. He chose to make us susceptible to cancer. He chose to create pests that destroy our food, necessitating pesticides that also harm us. Is Casey just shockingly oblivious to this, or is he dishonest? It's one or the other, there are no other options.
Pollution is a good analogy for sin. The consequences of sin are not isolated to the individual, they affect other people. A murder affects not just the victim who was killed and the murderer, but also the family of the victim. The Norfolk Southern accident not only affected the train or the town but the whole watershed. When Adam and Eve ate from the tree, it not only affected them by them being kicked out from the garden, but their children as well.
And does that seem fair to you? What kind of perfect creation allows innocent kids to suffer for the sins of some wealthy old dudes that run the industry?
@@carlose4314 so you believe that the account of genesis is literal? Where Adam and Eve real and the first human beings to exist? How do you reconcile this with what science says about the origins and evolution of the human species? And if everything bad in this world was becausd of Adam and Eve, how do you explain all of the death and suffering that can be seen in the fossil record for millions of years... way before humans existed? Also, why does sin have to affect innocent people? Why couldn't an all powerful god set up a world with different rules? a world were sin does not harm innocent people... just the sinner? Do you honestly think that it's ok to punish kids for the sins of their parents? Should we send kids of criminals to prisons? Should we hold grudges against the kids of those who harm us?... because god apparently does
One thing I didn't hear you say or imply, but I do think is essential to the video. Do you believe that EVERY illness is caused by human activity? And if we take it one more step further, do you believe that EVERY injust suffering is caused by human activity?
Yeah, his argument is kind of dumb. We know for a fact that death and disease had existed for as long as life has existed... waaaay before humans ever existed. No wonder bad things happen to us... they happen to every single species that exists and has ever existed!
He probably doesnt, but he will never engage in that point, because focusing in 'human generated suffering' is a known sidestep for the simple question of 'why does *any* suffering exists with an omnibenevolent god?'
I've thought about how so much suffering is caused by human evils (war, pollution, etc.) When we witness human suffering that feels unjust, like childhood cancer, we ask "Why would a good God allow this? If I was God, I wouldn't." There have always been natural disasters that cause suffering, even before fossil fuels & climate change. We do have to grapple with the fact that God allows great suffering beyond mere consequences of human evil. Unless we see every natural disaster, even those of the past, as God punishing humanity for their sin.
Let’s not forget animal suffering due to disease and natural causes. If God is all powerful, then God allows innocent animals, who we are told cannot sin, to suffer.
I'm studying environmental science at uni. We recently had a few lectures on the these forever chemicals (PFAS) and microplastics - it was shocking to learn these are in everything. Thank you Fr Casey for raising awareness on this! I've also finished reading both Laudato Si and Laudate Deum in the past few weeks; Pope Francis is very clear on how our attitudes need to change!
Cancer has existed since antiquity. It has many causes, some of which are viruses - which no person created. Some are genetic. And often cancer in these arguments is short-hand for all the immensely painful health problems that no one is responsible for wrecking innocent people’s lives. I could listen a dozen from sudden infant death syndrome to Alzheimer’s. We need to think more deeply about what omnipotence might really mean.
I think the problem with your counterargument is that even if we did cause all of these problems, you would think God's mercy would drive him to protect us from the consequences of our poor choice. God was willing to suffer and die to shield us from the consequences of our actions on our salvation. Why is He unwilling to stop us from hurting one another the way that a parent would break up a fight between their children?
God didn't die to protect us from the consequences of our poor choices He died so we would be forgiven for our sins if we repent. If you commit a sin you still bear the consequences of that sin. Whether the consequences are external or internal.
Then free will would be taken away. I know it's hard to justify that argument when a child runs into the street after a ball and is struck and killed and then I say that it was her choice to run into the street without looking for traffic. But if all of us are to be given free will, which everyone would agree is a good thing, then God could not intervene in certain instances because that overrides the will of the individual. Then we become a people who will take reckless actions knowing that there will be no consequences if our choices lead into danger.
Still there are lots of types of cancer that are not caused by any external factors, but spontaneous anomalies in our bodies. What would you say about those cases?
I recently lost a good friend to Cancer. He was battling it his whole entire life. When he was a baby. He battled it about 8 or 9 times throughtout his life and YET he still kept fighting. His body would replicate tumor after tumor and infect major areas of his body. It was sad and shocking what cancer does to a person, just eating away at you but yet my friend preservered and stood strong to his faith. To this day I still wonder, if it were my child...would it be more humane to let that child go or hopefully cure him in the hopes of my child's cancer not returning? Of having him or her live their life with the constant shadow of cancer returning to hant them? In my eyes, my friend became the modern Job. He was terminal from his first diagnosis but yet he lived a life that was full, meaningful, and with abundance. He had 51 great years on this planet and he'll still be loved as he is remembered. God isn't at fault for cancer. Cancer itself is a biological mystery. I wouldn't even wish it on my worst foe.
@@darrylelam256 How do people not see this?! This god described in the christian bible as omniscient, omnipotent, and omnibenevolent, is only two of those things, maximum (and I'd argue none). Just mindlessly repeating "mysterious ways" doesn't cut it. If he's all-powerful and childhood cancer exists, then he sure as hell ain't good.
Job is the guy god tormented just to do it, right? For his amusement? Just to show he could? That’s the story, right? Quite a good loving god you have there.
@@sledzeppelin You both are missing the point...by a WIDE margin. Let's see any of you actually handle tradegy after tragedy in your own lives and still be able to walk with your heads upright. Let's see anyone (for that matter) go through battle after battle after battle and NOT want to trhrow in the proverbial towel. Whether the story of Job is real or not, even if it's true. What would any of you do in his place? Chances are you'd be down on your own knees begging for any deity to make the pain and suffering cease...even for five minutes. Im certain if any of you had cancer, your views might change. Ever actually talk to someone in the midst of their battle? They preservere and endure. It's not just willpower alone. Hope and faith in whatever count for something. SOmetimes they survive and sometimes they don't. But their piece of mind? Yeah, I wouldn't try to take that away from anyone. But you had better...hope...it never happens to you or any of yours.
This is my second comment. I could not get this video out of my mind. So we blame the 5 yo’s cancer on … the parents? The 5 yo? Society? No this is really really wrong and deeply troubling. Candidly this video has shaken my faith. 😢
On the ones poisoning our food with pesticides... on the fact so many producers pump everyday products with these harmful chemicals... on the fact that, for adults, personal decision making with diet and exercise plays a role. Maybe we should stop looking for people to blame, and instead look for ways to prevent. I think that's really the takeaway we should have from this video.🙏
please do not let the words of ONE priest on youtube shake your faith! fr casey is not God! God loves you and His truth never changes. go to Him, tell Him your troubles, cry out to Him. He waits for you!
Cancer existed before the use of these chemicals and exists in animals in the wild. This video *should* shake your faith. God is claimed to be all powerful and created everything yet somehow is not responsible for disease and natural disaster that affect not just innocent, God-fearing Christians but animals who we are told cannot sin. God gets all the credit when things go the way we want but none of the blame when they don’t. What’s wrong with that picture?
This explains a good chunk of cancer cases but not all. There are also some newer studies that have concluded some cancers are straight up "bad luck." NPR and John Hopkins have some articles about this. Many cancers and probably most rise from many things we put into the environment, but not an insignificant amount have been concluded to be literally "bad luck."
That likely just means they didn't look hard enough. Some company used too much fertilizer on a food, or too much flame retardant on a new piece of furniture, or they didn't record every single item ever purchased at the dollar store.
@@savedawretch Cancer is naturally occurring. Although in our particular society the rate is probably higher than it would be in the natural world due to factors such as abundant chemicals and longer lifespans.
Cancer is not only naturally occurring but has been known about since ancient times, long before pesticides and herbicides. It exists in animals in the wild as do hosts of other diseases. Humankind has never been without disease. Neither has the animal kingdom and, we are told, animals cannot sin so we can’t blame it on sin. If you believe your God created everything, then he created cancer and all other diseases both in humans, animals, and plants.
What about the millions of people who died of cancer before “society” or modern pollutants? There are even dinosaur fossils that show bone cancer, so it can’t be attributed to human causation at the macro level- only ever in distinct cases for a subset of the population
If I build an aquarium and all the fish get sick and die I don't blame the fish, I blame myself. Cancer has been with us as long as we've been home sapiens, long before the first caveman to huddle around a fire.
This is a terrible take that amounts to little more than victim-blaming. Curiously, it actually skirts very close to Eastern ideas about karma. At least karma explains things like this in terms of a deserved punishment for past misdeeds in this life or a previous one. But Christianity doesn't have that excuse to fall back on. So how, then, do we explain all the people who get cancer through no fault of their own (i.e., just random mutations, nothing to do with life choices)? What about innocent children who suffer terribly from painful cancers? I think it's a bit disingenuous to try to frame the argument as people "blaming God for cancer," because that's not really the issue. The issue is that a whole lot of people are left to wonder why an all-powerful and all-loving God does nothing to prevent it in the first place. And I have to add that if you see a grieving family trying to cope with the sickness and death of a loved one, and your reaction is to get annoyed, you may need to work on your empathy skills.
100% agree. On the other hand as a Buddhist and former catholic, I would like to point out that Karma law is not punishment at all. It is just cause effect of phenomena.
Such bullshit. Forget about our own poor diet for a moment. If God actually has power, and if he actually cares about us, he can prevent BLAMELESS CHILDREN from getting cancer. If he doesn't do that, then by definition, either he isn't powerful, or he doesn't care to help. Or both.
If he wanted people to live happy lives with no care. But God doesn’t put earthly happiness above all. He puts dependence on him higher than that. And empathy. And desire for heaven. Sometimes suffering brings us great meaning and purpose in life.
@@BreakingInTheHabit That's ridiculous. You seem to be saying we can't be happy without suffering cancer. Plenty of other ways to suffer, since that's what your god wants. Again, an all loving god would not give children cancer. Period. There is no good reason that you or your god could ever come up with to justify children dying of cancer. EVER. Your god could have made the human body incapable of getting cancer, lets say, under the age of 20.
@@BreakingInTheHabit "He puts dependence on him higher than that" What an amazing admission. And it applies also to God's representatives on earth. It is NOT Free Will when you are dependent on someone. When you think a good role model is a mafia boss, "You are free to not do what I tell you - but then you are dead", be my guest. But God is worse, at least when you are killed by the mafia, it is over - but with God you will be tortured FOREVER. What you admit to here is that when you believe, then you will do ANYthing God tells you. When you do, the reward is eternal happiness in Heaven When you don't, the punishment is eternal torture in Hell. No wonder that christian have problems with condemning slavery, when you believe in the "love" and "eternal wrath" (over dozens of generation), slavery is like holidays. A classic eternal carrot and eternal stick. "suffering brings us great meaning and purpose in life" - so "How do I avoid being tortured forever?" is the meaning of life? That is pure bankruptcy. But empathy does not fit in your list. Empathy is the ability to think what others think and feel. And that must not be other humans, can be all kinds of other lifeforms. And other lifeforms have empathy, too. Do dogs believe in God to have empathy? When I assume empathy is an inherent characteristic of higher lifeforms, then I can assume the "Golden Rule of Empathy": "Treat others how you want to be treated". Also said (more or less) by Jesus, but also by countless other non-christian cultures. When you want that your errors are treated tolerantly, treat other's s errors tolerantly. When I want to be respected, treat others with respect. As I do not want to be exploited or manipulated, I can assume others don't want to be exploited or manipulated, so I should neither exploit or manipulate myself or allow others to exploit or manipulate me or others. I want to be happy, so make others happy. And as most people are happier when they are surrounded by happy people, that all comes rather naturally. No need for a supernatural all-powerful God.
Does that always work? NO: We are good AND bad. As some things that simply happen because things happen are good and others are bad. Like sun is warm and nice to be outside, but dries out the land, and rain is wet and ugly, but waters the plants Nothing in the whole universe is ONLY good and NEVER bad and the other way around. Only God is postulated to be only good. And christians have to twist themselves into pandimensional pretzels to excuse the violations of this postulation in their own book. Why did God harden Pharaoh's heart multiple times (when Pharaoh wanted to let the Israelites go) until he could kill all the firstborn in Egypt? Including all the firstborn animals - what have they done wrong?
As someone, who worked with kids with inborn cardiac problems, I found all your, father, arguments really float. There is no excuse for a child 8 months of age to come up to the operating table with fatal heart failure, especially with a genetically predisposed condition. Child cancer also can be caused by genetic predisposition, and even if not, we still speak of human life, ending in great suffering without own agency on the matter. Because usually children don't smoke and eat fried food for decades And I consider the relation of God to such instances a great mystery of faith and a case for the inability to comprehend God with the human mind, because there is simply no way to explain it in any adequate way As well, I'm not in any position to correct anyone, who blames God for this, just because. As well as you, father. Sometimes people have valid reasons to at least not love God, and there is nothing we, as a human, can do, to change it
This is one of the worst responses to the problem of suffering/evil I've ever seen by someone who has years of pastoral experience and at least a MDiv. Fr. Casey makes no distinctions between primary and secondary causes. God is the primary cause of all existence and the greedy actions that increase the likelihood of cancers are secondary causes. If God is a different sort of cause than human action, then both can be interrogated on the question of suffering. These are two different types of questions: Why does the universe allow for the suffering of innocents at all? Why did people in the past and present do things that increased the rate of suffering? Finding blame with greedy people does not erase the first question about the nature of reality itself. Fr. Casey should know better. I think it is also an area where our celibate clergy have some need to exercise humility. Not ever having mothered or fathered a child, they are only looking at horrible diseases manifesting in children from theoretical and at best extended family perspectives. Those are not bad perspectives, but what practical wisdom does Fr. Casey have for a parent trying to come to grips with an innocent child suffering? He doesn't. Clergy should probably remain silent in those areas instead of talking about asbestos mining and insulation. To be blunt, that sort of answer is as bad as "God never gives you more than you can handle." A silent response could look like, "I have no words, but I am here to listen." That solidarity with the suffering goes much further than trying to parse out blame for preventable illnesses (some percentage of blame is unassignable because genes do some random bad things at times or cells migrate improperly in utero at times). Those sufferings are every bit as real as the "human-inflicted" sufferings Casey seems to be discounting." Also, I think it is okay to wonder why reality is the way that it is. It is quite human to ask those primary cause-type questions about suffering. Fr. Casey would be ill-advised to short circuit that portion of grieving.
@@sledzeppelin lol, why did God create any number of other dangerous flora, fauna, or geological/meteorological dangers then? everything God makes is good, provided it remains in its intended function/place. it is human foolishness that exposes us to things we should stay away from.
The thing is, God could have made us in such a way that we could never get cancer or made cells in such a way that it could never occur. I fully agree that it's existence is on humanity, but to me that only is evidence to me that we have only ourselves to rely on/blame for all the good and bad in the world and that there is no higher power present, no matter what comfort it may offer us.
Have you ever encountered a spoiled child/adult who bears no consequences, who has never struggled or worked for anything? How good is their character, attitude, or soul? With our fallen nature God has made us mortal for our own good. Just know there is a God, He just doesn't act like a genie who grants our every wish. His will is to save your soul from sin so He has to act like a loving parent and make the best choices for our soul even if it means allowing us to suffer the consequences of our actions. He loves you, is waiting for you to seek Him, and He wants you to spend eternity with Him. His will is always love and mercy.
The problem of evil has never been fully addressed, despite many theologians endeavoring to address it through the formulation of elaborate theodicies. Sure, many evils are the culmination of human neglect and outright malfeasance, but wouldn't a loving entity, who is infinitely capable, do something to mitigate or eradicate the consequences of such neglect and malfeasance when it effects those who did not perpetrate such things? A child walks innocently down the street, a gang member drives by and shoots at his enemy and misses and hits the child instead. If I had the power to deflect the bullet I would. Why doesn't God? It makes no sense. Sparing the child the trauma and injury of being shot does not contravene anyone's free will. What greater good is served by the child's endangerment? By the way, I am speaking as a Catholic, not an atheist. I just don't have a good answer when confronted with this conundrum.
Exactly! I've talked to many religious people, mostly catholic monks, nuns and priests, but also rabbis and muftis, yet not one has given me an ecplanation for this
Here is what I have gotten from my own research brother, based on the innocent being affected by evil because of free will is what I’ll speak on. Does God will that the child be shoot/killed, no obviously, God does not will the death of anyone but for us to be able to chose Him we must have free will. With free will if God were to intervene every time a evil person does a evil action upon a innocent then that would be taking away the evil persons free will to do such evil. With free will we either can accept and follow God or reject Him. If God didn’t let us have the choice of evil then we wouldn’t have the choice to truly love him. You cannot love someone or something if that choice is forced upon you, so if we choose evil then God will not stop us or the actions that evil will bring because it would be affecting free will simply. And God does intervene when He is called upon, that’s why miracles exist it’s us relying on God to be able to do something we are incapable of doing. Usually this is with severe illness and things along that line. God can act in this world but for him to act and impede on the evil action of a shooter shooting and hitting a innocent then the person would never serve the consequence of that evil for God has already stopped it from happening but now that person will be held accountable at judgment for the evil they committed. Hope that clears up some of your confusion.
Personally I prefer the soul building theodicy, but in defense of the free will defense one could argue that the reason why God doesn't intervene with our free will is because God is a God of truth and thus would create the most authentic world possible, aka one with teleological freedom. God cannot create a world where we freely choose the good all the time, that's a logical contradiction. We are co-actualizers with God in this world and evil is necessary if we are to be co-actualizers. Let me put it this way: So let’s group possible world’s into two categories: ones where God alone has free will and ones where others have free will. We’ll call these GF for God has free will and OF where others have free will. Now the concept of free Will entails that one makes choices they were not forced to make. This means they are actualized decisions. For that reason, in OF, God is not the only actualizer of that world. We are co-actualizers with God. So there is a world in which we all freely choose to do the good, but by definition it isn’t up to God to bring it about. We would have to cooperate with God to bring about that world, and if our current world is anything to go by, we won’t cooperate. So in short, God doesn’t bring about the world where everyone freely chooses to do the good because it would require the cooperation of the people of OF, and we won’t cooperate.
@@YaksoHD In the scenario I described, the simple deflecting of the bullet away from the child does not curtail the perpetrator's free will. The gang member is still FREE to implement his homicidal intent on his enemy. By God intervening, it just eliminates the effect of that sin on an innocent party, who was in no way culpable of the circumstances leading up to the WILLFUL discharge of the gun. By your reasoning, anytime anyone seeks to prevent an injustice, it is stifling the free will of the perpetrator, and that is a greater sin than the crime being committed against the innocent!? Taking this to its logical conclusion, every injustice whether on a small scale or genocidal scale should be allowed to happen, because efforts to shelter the innocent against such crimes would be tantamount to the suppression of someone's volition. I am sorry, but I find that to be wholly unsatisfactory explanation regarding the problem of evil. It is also a justification for complacency in the face of immorality.
@@DarkArcticTV I am just going to copy and paste my response to @YaksoHD , the commentor above you, because I think my response applies to your comment, as your reasoning his similar to @YaksoHD. : In the scenario I described, the simple deflecting of the bullet away from the child does not curtail the perpetrator's free will. The gang member is still FREE to implement his homicidal intent on his enemy. By God intervening, it just eliminates the effect of that sin on an innocent party (the child), who was in no way culpable of the circumstances leading up to the WILLFUL discharge of the gun. By your reasoning, anytime anyone seeks to prevent an injustice, it is stifling the free will of the perpetrator, and that is a greater sin than the crime being committed against the innocent!? Taking this to its logical conclusion, every injustice whether on a small scale or genocidal scale should be allowed to happen, because efforts to shelter the innocent against such crimes would be tantamount to the suppression of someone's volition. I am sorry, but I find that to be wholly unsatisfactory explanation regarding the problem of evil. It is also a justification for complacency in the face of immorality.
As an Atheist I don't blame a nonexistent being for cancer but I will point out the flaws in someone's thinking that an Omniscient- Knows all things and all possible things/events. Omnibenevolent- All loving and incapable of hating anything/anyone. Omnipresent- Exists in all places and all possible places and at all times. Omnipotent- So powerful as to be able to do any possible action. That's a QUAD OMNI god. SO IT CAN'T BE ALL THOSE THINGS AND BE CONSISTENT IN ALL THOSE THINGS WITHOUT VIOLATING EACH OF THOSE OMNI TRAITS AT SOME POINT. Have your god but at least allow him/her/it to have some flaws. IT'S ALREADY BLATANTLY OBVIOUS THAT YOUR GOD HAS PLENTY OF THEM.
Ditto for deaths caused by earthquakes and hurricanes. We've built huge cities in earthquake prone areas and we have the Gaul to blame God for the deaths when the earth shakes, as it always has in those areas? And while the houses on the beach in Florida may be beautiful 99% of the time, when hurricanes come and blow away everything as they have for all of recorded history we blame God for our poor choices? That's not even remotely fair to God.
1) We may have had less cancer in the past, but we always had it. And it was way more painful and deadly because we sinned more... or because we had no medicine 2) Got still created the rules that certain chemicals increase the chance of cancer.
@@reintaler6355 so you admit that God intentionally created a system in which certain chemicals are meant to cause cancer, right? He is omnipotent, he could create any other system. He chose not to.
@@Strongpoint_S No, they are not *meant* to cause (human) cancer because they were created to interact with other creatures that do not have this kind of concern. Your question is as logical as ''Black Africans were *meant* to settle in the Americas en masse since the 16th century.'' Why the hell would they, if not for extreme human failure?
@@Strongpoint_S most things which are harmful to us are not for a large variety of species (not the ones mentioned in the video obviously) or are chemical subproducts which in nature are in infinitely small amounts BUT that humans have chosen to make millions of times more present through their actions. I think it's time to stop thinking of God as someone which created a playground for us where to have fun in.
If I were at a BBQ and saw a toddler stumbling towards an open fire pit, I would do anything and everything within my power to stop that child from harming themselves. I want to believe that God would too. If God truly loves us all then the pain he must feel when he watches that child fall into that fire pit must be so immense and utterly heartbreaking, it is beyond my comprehension and I feel ignorant for not understanding why he could and would allow such things to happen.
In the beginning we had it made. But our original parents chose to disobey. Now we all have to suffer the consequences of life. But there is hope. God sent his ONLY Son because he so loved the world.
God allows us to use our free will so that is the main cause of our suffering. Also, He often sees that there is a greater good that comes from our suffering. If God was to prevent our suffering all the time we would be like spoiled children who would bear no consequences for their actions and might cause our soul to rot. Third, God created us to have eternal life. Jesus died so that we would be saved from sin, He didn't die for us to have a perfect life. So we often have to suffer for the good of our soul because God loves us so much that He wants us with Him for eternity despite our sin.
God could also make sharp objects not exist. He could make rain not exist. He could made any number of things that cause human suffering not exist, but that’s missing the point. Human suffering is not the end all of our lives because this life is not the end all of our existence. Suffering can actually be the most important thing we ever experience when it allows us to be more dependent on God, grow in empathy for others, and focus on what really matters.
“ Suffering can actually be the most important thing we ever experience when it allows us to be more dependent on God,”. I don’t believe you’re a bad person and I’ll defend you against anyone who thinks you are, but that sounds psychotic
@BreakingInTheHabit Suffering can also be the worst thing people experience. My mother, when dying of cancer in a hospice would willingly have taken a pill to end it all - and she was a Christian. Last year my daughter took her own life because she could not bear her mental suffering. I fortunately am mentally and physically healthy but these experiences have done nothing to bring me closer to God.
@@BreakingInTheHabitfinally you've answered the question. The point was not why do adults with unhealthy behaviours developed cancer, but why children who've done nothing wrong get it
As Blanche said in Golden Girls, "AIDS is not a bad person disease Rose! It is not God punishing people for their sins!" Same thing goes for cancer and the reason people contract or develop diseases r nothing more then serious cases of bad luck. As for blaming ourself for things like this or anything, well it's really painful. So painful that people don't wanna face, so blaming others is both easier and a coping mechanism.
Correct! God didn't create AIDS to punish people for their sins. He just made it and all the other diseases and natural disasters and bacteria and parasites because he likes to see humans suffer and die, apparently.
why would a 5 year old suffer from cancer because of factors it is not capable of even understanding, rather than the people responsible for those factors?
@@rodriguezelfeliz4623 We're not perfect and yes He's a just God. He gave us freewill and we misuse it. He gave us 10 commandments and people break them all the time, hurting others in the process. Through the ten commandments you can see who does God's will and who goes against His will. "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind. This is the greatest and the first commandment. And the second is like to this: Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments dependeth the whole law and the prophets.” (Matthew 22: 35-40)
@@MD-il8dl yes we are not perfect, but why are the mechanics and laws that govern his "perfect" creation so prone to death, disease and suffering... man made or not? And how is it just that innocent little kids have to suffer and pay with their own lives for the mistakes of rich old men in suits who run industries? Couldn't an all powerful god find a way to give free will without having so much unjust suffering? Why not let people have free will and pay for their own mistakes themselves, without punishing innocent kids? Well, and that's all if you accept that we have free will (I suspect we do not tho) Also, why does his "perfect" creation have parasites that transmit malaria? Or diseases like tuberculosis which killed millions back in the day? What about loiasis worms (african eye worm, a parasite passed on to humans by deerflies, which cause blindness on their victims)? What about tetanus? Congenital disorders? Genetic syndromes? Cholera? Rabies? What about tsunamis, volcanoes, earthquakes?... the list goes on and on and on. Are they all man made as well?
@@rodriguezelfeliz4623 Free will without real consequences is not free will. You say you suspect we don't have free will but if you didn't have free will you wouldn't be able to control your actions. You would be a robot with someone making decisions about every aspect of your life including your body movements. Just think about Kim Jong Un. Would you like a God who controls your every move and gives a false sense of free will. God is not a dictator. He gives you a choice, you can do good by following His commandments or you can choose evil. God created nature with it's laws according to our condition. Would you have liked an immortal Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini. You also forget about eternal life with God. There is a better life beyond death, our souls are eternal and suffering here is temporary another reason why God allows death and suffering.
This is an interesting, and frankly rather flimsy, theodicy. No doubt human activity has caused a spread of carcinogens and we ought to take responsibility for that (though interestingly another explanation of the rates of cancers is just people not dying of other causes and living long enough to die of cancer), but cancers unrelated to pollutants do occur in nature , as do other horrific illnesses . The problem of cancer and other evils isn't a checkmate against claims of the existence of God or of his* love. In no way is the existence of natural processes which result in childhood leukemia disproof of God. But it certainly does seem to be a problem for those who do believe he exists. It's not particularly a problem for those who think the material world indifferent to our plans. Your message, and that of pope Francis, of recognising human responsibility is certainly worthy, but it does side step the issue. *question: Do you have a position on whether or not to capitalise the pronoun when referring to God?
It does disprove the existence of a deity who satisfies the three omnis. Pediatric cancer is consistent with a deity who is indifferent to suffering or doesn’t care about, or a deity who is too weak to prevent it, or one who is simply ignorant about the world. But it’s not consistent with attributes ascribed to god by most religions. A sadist god, sure.
The problem of evil is mainly a problem for an omni god (omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent), if someone beleives in a god who doesnt have one or more of those omnis, the problem of evil doesnt affect them.
@@Julian0101 Okay sure. I thought given the context I didn't need to specify that I was discussing theodicy of the God of Abraham (besides capitalising the G).
Father Casey. The take away is we have free will as individuals and as a society. More importantly the crosses we bear brings us closer to Our Lord. I love how Sr. Briege McKenna says that when Ireland was poverty stricken they were closer to God. It’s through suffering that we are humbled and become closer to Our Lord. I lost my daughter who was 27 years old. Honestly her passing brought more people to Christ than her life on earth. I am more aware and pray more for souls in purgatory than before my daughter’s passing. I thank God that she was loaned to us and thank God greater good has come from her passing.
Because of original sin. The punishment for sin is death… Jesus who was sinless died on the cross to save you and me from being damned eternally. I’ll use an example when you started school and had to study for exams was it fun? Or the sport you loved was it hard work? Does your body ache when you go to the gym? So why can’t you simply get fantastic biceps without having to punish yourself with the correct diet and lots of pump in the gym… not just random pump, but very specific… to get to the right muscles. Suffering on earth is nothing compared to eternal damnation. Our suffering is to help us grow closer to God. To be empathetic to our neighbours. I decided not to give you an academic response but a heart to heart one. Without struggling there is no reward.
Exactly how, then, does this explain animal suffering? We’re told animals cannot sin yet they suffer from disease, accidents, natural disasters, starvation. They are ripped apart alive by predators. How does their suffering bring anyone closer to God? How does a child too young to understand God become closer to God through pain and suffering? The child dying from malnutrition or cancer? They are a pawn in God’s game to bring others closer to God? Surely your all powerful, all loving God could have devised a better plan than that.
Let’s start with children… have you heard of Carlos Acutis. Teenager died of cancer…, Maria Goretti gave up her life instead of being raped and her murderer in the process was f being canonised to sainthood. The suffering of animals are mainly our fault. We took away their natural habitat where killing was only allowed for survival no more no less. It does not matter who or what you are… God is LOVE. Gods permissive will allows the evil spirits to prowl around the world, in order for us to become virtuous and Holy. Our goal as humans are to be saints. Listen to Fr. Chad Ripperger, Fr. Chris Alar, Bishop Robert Barron all modern day theologians who has a wealth of experience to share.
An interesting and educational video if nothing else, but counter argument: We might be the cause for a *higher* rate of Cancer, but it was still God who created it as a natural phenomenon.
If the bible is true, who do we have to blame for tobacco and a poor diet? The answer is god. He created everything and knows what everything he created would do. Do not shift the blame to humans because we are just following god's plan, of course, that is if the bible is true. I do not blame god for anything, how can I blame an entity that I do not believe exists?
I would agree with your point about forever chemicals and pollutants and car exhaust etc if cancer was a modern problem. It isn't. We have found fossilized hominid remains from well before modern chemistry, let alone any of that stuff, that show signs of cancer.
@@ankereisenman4824except Job's god is evil. He kills Jobs wife and family. And then restores another wife and children: as if they are merely processions like his cattle and house. The same in Passover story: God kills the first born of the poorest slave in Egypt but Phereoh who is holding the Israelites captive he spares: just so he can exercise free will. What had the children done to deserve death.
OK. Why does God allow freak accidents? A plane losing engines & crashing. Bridge full of cars collapsing. Mine failure with miners trapped... Lots of hard to grasp events... Blame bad engineers? Faulty aviation 'experts' who skipped inspections or ignored warning signs?
Or take the tsunami in Indonesia, 100,000 dead. Were they all evil sinners? All the kids playing on the beach that drowned. My fun example is that AFTER Jesus saved us all, no one knew ( = went to hell) about that until the good news was spread - on human feet. It took 1450 years to reach America, and over 1700 years to reach Australia. And who came were NOT men of God, but people who wanted to conquer and maybe had a priest along that sanctioned when they slaughtered the natives. Not that these on these continents had ever heard about the Abrahamic God in the first place.
What does tobacco and poor diet have to do with an infant or toddler who has something like bone cancer? Something entirely outside of our control, that has existed long before society and pollution. I guess the argument is the millions of innocents who have to suffer until death might inspire future generations to attempt to alleviate this suffering?
Extremely good points, i was expecting basic apologetics on the problem of evil, but got something so much better. Reminds me why i subbed even when im not religious.
@@stevenhorr Well, the life expectancy in the middle ages if you made it to 25 years old was 50.7 years in Europe. So people lived to be old back then as well. The difference was many children and adolescents died along the way.
@@stevenhorr I think that is partially true but not for the majority of the crap they push on people. They want health as a service like every other business so that is how they run it. Try being in Kaiser Permanente if you don't believe me. Never felt more like a number in my life. They also could not solve my stomach issues. Kept saying it was normal. Luckily a functional medicine doctor posted some stuff on youtube and the protocol was available without prescription or I would still be suffering. They also couldn't solve a psoriasis issue. Turns out just needed to change detergents but they told me I would need their "ointment" forever. Doctors also told me I would need glasses my whole life. never wore them don't need them. Also had bad depression. All my friends on meds do no better than I do. In fact I would argue worse. Keep running from your problems looking for a quick fix and you get trapped in this system.
I can say my mental and emotional health are SIGNIFICANTLY better when I’m studying my Bible, praying and bettering my relationship with the Lord, and I do not think it is a coincidence. I need God like I need air.
I can't accept the argument that a loving god would have a hands off approach with this. The people that feel the brunt of poor environmental policy are the people least able to affect change. These are usually the same people without means of medical treatment for these ill effects. Meanwhile the people with the biggest carbon output are also the ones who can change policy, but choose not to, all while having access to the best medical care money can buy.
Even if it is what we deserve... Even if accept the barbaric idea that children should be punished for the actions of their ancestors... Why should animals die of cancer? They get it too, they feel pain, and they suffer. Why can't they die peacefully?
As a parent who has a 6 year old son diagnosed recently with cancer, you/this video jumps from us throughout our lifes ourselves caused, but bringing up kids having cancer? Thats a pretty big gap there missed.
I feel the best explanation is a very Catholic, one we don't know why. It's a mystery , the mystery of life, and the mystery of faith. If we are to say hold yourself accountable but not God this would be illogical. Everyone is accountable.
Does the Church actively promote solutions to these problems (which would amount to a great good), or are you merely drumming them up to deflect blame?
Some of the carcinogenics claims you are going for are at minimum controversial among scientists. Particularly those related to round up. Try to do a bit more research before scaring people. It is not even necesary for your argument.
Sure, as soon as people stop crediting god with curing their cancer, I'll stop blaming the ones who die on him. If he chooses to cure some, then he also chooses to let others die.
This isn’t going to bring a single person closer to God. In fact it is going to make people think God is allowing a world to be so poisonous that we have no hope for avoiding a suffering death for our children or selves. I don’t think this came across the way you intended it too, and that’s ok. Think of it as a learning experience
The truth is that we don't *know* why God allows diseases, natural calamities, and human-induced suffering such as murder, genocide, etc. The human response falls into one of three categories: disbelief in the existence of God (or a benevolent, sentient god), rationalisation of why God allows these things to exist, or resentment towards God. If someone asked me this question, my answer is that I dont know. But I believe nonetheless. Faith does not necessitate complete understanding. Now, let's say there was a definitive answer to the question. Why do we think it would be an answer that would align with human logic? Why would the rationale of an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, eternal Intellect, which exists outside of time and space, align with the rationale and understanding of a vastly finite and constricted mind? But, at the end of the day, we are offered a choice. I don't think that arguing the point with determined atheists is fruitful because we simply don't know. Some will be fine with that, others won't. That's just the way it is.
Knowing Better made a really interesting point related to this in his climate change video. If you assume the Second Coming will happen in your generation, then there is no need to worry about fixing the environment. A lot of modern Christians just assume they can go about their lives as normal, and wait for God to fix the problem. That's not just short-sighted thinking, it's also self destructive. As the Books of Haggai and Zechariah remind us, we need to be the ones to start construction on the new world we want to see. While we have faith that God will guide us, we have our own responsibilities here. We can influence the planet as a community. It's time we worked as a global community to achieve better outcomes for the world over.
The book of revelation is the most damaging spurge on humanity ever to afflict the the human mind. If the branches of Christianity which rejected its divinity had seized control of the religion, the world would be an unrecognizably better place.
And did any of those chemicals also prevent the deaths of others? Yes, asbestos when breathed in can cause cancer, but when deployed properly can prevent death. I usually agree with Father Casey, but he has missed the make on this one.
Thank you for this, something I rarely see people talking about. Personal responsibility for the physical things that happen to us has been washed away by secular and Christian thought alike. Our sin is not just in our personal thoughts but in our behavioral choices.
Higher risks of breast, ovarian and uterine cancers directly linked to nulliparity have been abundantly documented since 1713 and Dottore Bernardino Ramazzini's studies on occupational diseases, so much that breast cancer was called nun's disease. The American Cancer Society nowadays acknowleges that the risk is seven times higher for nuns and women who did not have children. No environmental alibi here, maybe just a tragic reading of Mark 8.35 "whoever loses their life for me and for the gospel will save it"?
This video was too short to discuss a serious problem. You could have made the video more impactful by making it longer. The video itself isn’t awful by any means, but it could be better. I would also recommend putting sources for your evidence in the description.
I did not bother to comment on the video *_Let's Talk About the Eucharist_* , which is the worst magic trick ever. But in typical Christian double talk we are not supposed to blame almighty God for cancer, even though God blames us for something Adam and Eve did sooooo maaany yeeeears agoooooo. Get off your knees and take some time to think about why you believe what you believe and when you started believing it. Then think about if you had never heard about God until just today, would you believe such a story?????
True, there haven't always, everywhere, been horrific chemicals. That said, humans have been breathing in the smoke from hearths for millenia; have drank and eaten from containers made with lead, mercury, nickel and other damaging metals for almost as long. We have, in fact, been exposing our bodies to carcinogens since the use of fire as a tool began.
I have a tumor now, 30 years old. At the end of the day God allows cancer for a reason, he foreknow and could have stopped cancer in this world but for some reason chose not too. On our part, well for my tumor it just grew despite being otherwise healthy so all I can do is say Lord thank you for cancer.
Unfortunately, people have had cancer for as long as we know it, and it's not only limited to humans, so it's hard to blame our lifestyle (it can drastically increase the risk though, it's true). I rather rely on the explanation that we can't see the big picture and what would become of the world, if no one could die prematurely. This doesn't change the fact that it is a terrible thing to happen and we should try to save lives as much as we can and help, comfort and support those in need, grief or illness.
OK, but god doesn't seem to love us enough to cure those whose families pray to him and pay to have masses offered. More proof to me that god simply doesn't exist.
That's not an appropriate time for a conversation like that... which is *precisely* why I made a video about it, hopefully to help people before that happens.
That's kind of an unfair ask, there could be a world without cancer. Cancer isn't something anyone chooses to have, especially children. God gets credit for the good and the bad, not just the good.
If he could stop making so much cancer maybe I’ll stop asking. Or maybe just ask Issac I’m sure his mental faculties are fine after the voices told his dad to stab him.
You overlook the genocide that God commanded in the Old Testament? Multiple times? Or that an all powerful God allows genocide to exist? In spite of his promises in the Bible, God clearly does not protect his people (or the innocent) from genocide, neither does he answer prayers to be healed. How about animal suffering? Natural disasters? They have nothing to do with “free will.”
Its also chemicals, at walmart, people that work in the back unboxing all the products get cancer a lot. I knew someone that used to work there, tap water too i would think
Well God loves you and is waiting for you to seek Him. "The desire for God is written in the human heart, because man is created by God and for God, and God never ceases to draw man to himself." CCC Maybe if you truly believed He didn't exist you wouldn't be commenting about Him. Just truly seek Him don't reject God because He doesn't fit your idea of how God is supposed to act or be.
Anyone here think that Brother Casey is just a well presented RUclips characteriture. Ie, a actor plsying a role to get traction. I mean very well performed and created. But i have pondered that there is never any reference to monsignor, bishop, parish or place of worship, no scenes in a church or other recognisable roman catholic figures I confess that i feel fooled. Until this episode step way over any consivable Christian teaching. But again, admire the creativity
I think you might be alone here. For the past 8 years I’ve shown many real-life experiences on this channel, and my Instagram is constantly populated with my real life. Don’t judge someone based on 8 minutes of their life a week. ruclips.net/video/pI4dwc7esbY/видео.htmlsi=zI7ZHI41dMrLux5f
@@BreakingInTheHabit I have followed BintH for a while. I had thought it a genuine article. And very interesting exploration of Catholic church teaching. Then again, the odd representation of Roman Catholics teaching had me thinking otherwise. I also realise I had never seen the character in a setting that could not be constructed. Ie, walking around an empty school. There has been no scenes preaching in church, a class room with students or with other recognise persons. Still I might be wrong. Im often told that.
I hope you understand that Cancer happens in otherwise extraordinarily healthy and God loving people. How do you account for those people, Father Casey?
God didn’t bring cancer into the world. God didn’t bring death into the world. Evil was brought into the world by us, by our own free will and it continues to flourish because of man’s free will.
Well, there are a lot of great virtues that logically require evil to exist. Patience, courage, forgiveness, sacrifice, mercy, perseverance, endurance, etc. Presumably God would create a world with the greatest possible virtues and a lot of these great virtues require evil to exist in the world. I don't know if this is an emotionally satisfying answer or not though.
We are supposed to die. In many ways cancer is the most merciful. It allows us to say goodbye to our lives ones. To face our demons and set our affairs in order. We've found ways to beat most of the other things that kill us suddenly.
That was poor argumentation. Saying we're to blame for all evil in the world. There were volcanoes and hurricanes before us, there are diseases that we are not responsible for and letting innocent children suffer for the sins of others sounds really hard to explain zo me as well.
I made a comment on a short talking about how my mother told me everything happens for a reason and this guy commented trying to make it look like God gave us cancer like it’s his fault and I tried to inform him that it is not God’s fault. It is our fault but he is too blinded by anger and rage to see the truth I hope more people will watch this video.
Not your best video. I am a believing Catholic, but random genetic mutations do happen. It’s how I got brain cancer at 29. Fortunately I am in remission. But small children getting cancer is the single hardest thing to defend when discussing belief in God.
What about genetic Cancer?? this is the kind of content which generated blame in innocent people. Sorry if it's not your intention but there are things that only science can explain, and people who cares themselves die young or get ill sometimes.
I agree about our responsibility, but there is a large part left outside of the human influence. This includes many cancers, but also earthquakes or tsunamis. And yes, we do work on reducing tsunami risks. Still, I do wonder why an all powerful and all good god created this aspect of the world. The best explanation I have is that, while from a human perspective god is as good as all powerful, god does have constraints on the creation of the universe of which our planet is one part.
When people say where was God during the Holocaust? I reply with God was there, he was in those same camps suffering with those people and by the grace of God those people that survived was nothing short of a miracle. Same thing as today the people that suffer from war, famine, disease and death the Lord is right beside them suffering with them.
@@54032Zepol oh I see...you know so much more and in the meantime the killings and atrocities that have been around since humans are walking the earth are a wonderful "opportunity" for God to show us how much his "solidarity" with our suffering moves his heart ...cause...who needs a helping hand when instead you can "suffer" with the victims. sound "cringe" ha?
I was on my way to hate watch this video and post a big NUH-UH~! But a minute in and I was like "okay you are actually talking about it the right way" lol. Though nothing against you or your channel. Big fan, been thinking about looking to moving from my spiritual journey to possibly join the Catholic church. I'll let you know ha
Egyptians have cancer. That's an important starting point. It is sad that some people die, and how billionaires have made these problems worse. In all things, pray.
No, it must be because we sin less! Medicine is unnatural, it uses all those weird chemicals not intended for human consumption... and tools made out of those tools. It can't be that it doesn't make things worse!
Genetics played a big part in our daughter cancer....she does not smoke or drink, but she still got synovial sarcoma. Not once did we think do blame God for this. It is something that just happens sometimes, and cancer on my husband's side of the family is extreme. She had to have her right leg amputate, but she is now in remission. This cancer is never considered cured, it can come back anytime and when it does it is mostly fatal. But she could live another 30 or more years as well. We just take one day at a time. One scan at a time. And thank God for the victories.
It's interesting, people who actually go through horrendous evil rarely blame God on it, but atheists on online forums and in universities think it's a big problem
God allowed this action for a greater good to come out of it.
God Bless You, your mindset is inspiring🙏🏼✝️
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Limbo isn’t a church doctrine
@@generalyousif3640 is it better to practise apologetics to degrade another Christian with this topic in the video or help spreading God's hope and love to those who have cancer?
I have had cancer twice. Two different unrelated cancers one after another. Funnily my relationship with God has been strengthened through these challenges in recent years. Inspired by the likes of Fr Casey, I have joined the Catholic Church and was baptised at the Easter vigil earlier this year.
What I’ve come to realise his life is a gift, bestowed on me by my Lord, and every day that I wake up, I thank him for this precious gift of breath in my lungs.
My doctors have researched, tested and questioned why I have had the cancers and they have no answer. What they’ve been able to offer me is great, but brutal, treatment. I’m now in remission from one cancer and looking to be in remission from the other soon. For now, I am happy and feel utterly blessed because of my faith. I’m surrounded by so much love, from my doctors and nurses and other patients as well as my family and friends, and sometimes even strangers.
I will glorify his name even amidst the challenges I face. ❤️
I applaud your attitude and envy your steadfast faith. Thanks for sharing.
Amen! God bless you, welcome to the Catholic Faith, stay strong in the Eucharist!! It is our closest thing to heaven on earth
My father beat 4 cancers and is now potentially fighting his 5th one, although his condition might not be cancer.
He had many blood transfusions, over 10 in less than 2 months.
May God continue to bless you Thank you for sharing your story with us 🙏🏽
God bless you. Wish you all the best
This isn't a great one. Cancer can be induced by human decisions yes but its also naturally occurring. A chance mutation that is dangerous to the body. This also doesn't really strike at the philosophical question underpinning the question.
"Why does God allow suffering?" or better yet "Why does God allow lethal suffering?"
Suffering like cancer can have human based causes, so can hurricanes, but the suffering that these potentially natural or unnatural phenomenon cause are at the bottom of the feeling expressed. How can God let us suffer due to things out of our control? It's not really addressed here.
Yes, I was looking for this comment! I feel this one lacks dept
How dare you bring out science to the conversation with the bible thumpers
The reason he's not addressing it is because he *can't* address it without either reducing the power and status of his god or recharacterizing his god to be far less benevolent than is claimed. This is one of those issues that can relate back to the 'Problem of Evil' conundrum faced by both Catholicism and Christianity, where this supposedly all-powerful, all-knowing and all-loving being is perfectly willing to let such terrible things occur to the people they're supposed to care for.
@@nuage6500the best we can do is limit the pain or chances of getting them but instead we ain't doing that cause money
I never blamed God for my cancer. I thanked God for blessing my doctors with the knowledge and the healing hands that were placed on my miserable body. I used my cancer as my cloister and prayed and meditated on Him and His Son and the saints and angels. It saved me, gave me hope and eventually lifted me up and healed me.
God bless you!
@@YaksoHD You too
Amen
I pray that, when my time comes, I approach death with the same grace that you so clearly have.
"I thanked God for blessing my doctors with the knowledge" Yes because the best way to thank your doctors is to devalue them by thanking god for doing nothing. Your doctors had that knowledge because they worked hard to learn that knowledge, knowledge that came of us humans stumbling around trying to understand why people were getting sick and how to made them better.
Regardless, there are still insane amounts of instances of cancer developing without any external factors in play. What else are you to blame in such cases? If God is all seeing and loving, won't he intervene? And in cases where the cancer is from human-made causes, why won't he intervene regardless?
And why did god make asbestos cause cancer and not tell us about it? All these things that Friar Casey blames for causing cancer were made by god. He chose to make asbestos and burning fuels cause cancer. He chose to make us susceptible to cancer. He chose to create pests that destroy our food, necessitating pesticides that also harm us. Is Casey just shockingly oblivious to this, or is he dishonest? It's one or the other, there are no other options.
ever heard of literally the first 3 chapters of the bible tho
@@Bill-mq7wr Yes, I have heard of the first three chapters of the Bible. And? What’s your point?
Pollution is a good analogy for sin. The consequences of sin are not isolated to the individual, they affect other people. A murder affects not just the victim who was killed and the murderer, but also the family of the victim. The Norfolk Southern accident not only affected the train or the town but the whole watershed. When Adam and Eve ate from the tree, it not only affected them by them being kicked out from the garden, but their children as well.
And does that seem fair to you? What kind of perfect creation allows innocent kids to suffer for the sins of some wealthy old dudes that run the industry?
@@rodriguezelfeliz4623 Sin was brought into the world by Adam and Eve.
@@carlose4314 so you believe that the account of genesis is literal? Where Adam and Eve real and the first human beings to exist? How do you reconcile this with what science says about the origins and evolution of the human species?
And if everything bad in this world was becausd of Adam and Eve, how do you explain all of the death and suffering that can be seen in the fossil record for millions of years... way before humans existed?
Also, why does sin have to affect innocent people? Why couldn't an all powerful god set up a world with different rules? a world were sin does not harm innocent people... just the sinner? Do you honestly think that it's ok to punish kids for the sins of their parents? Should we send kids of criminals to prisons? Should we hold grudges against the kids of those who harm us?... because god apparently does
@@rodriguezelfeliz4623it's not fair. That's the point.
Can you explain why homosexuality should be considered a sin?
One thing I didn't hear you say or imply, but I do think is essential to the video. Do you believe that EVERY illness is caused by human activity? And if we take it one more step further, do you believe that EVERY injust suffering is caused by human activity?
Yeah, his argument is kind of dumb. We know for a fact that death and disease had existed for as long as life has existed... waaaay before humans ever existed. No wonder bad things happen to us... they happen to every single species that exists and has ever existed!
For example: suffering caused by natural disasters or animal suffering that exists in the natural world?
He probably doesnt, but he will never engage in that point, because focusing in 'human generated suffering' is a known sidestep for the simple question of 'why does *any* suffering exists with an omnibenevolent god?'
I've thought about how so much suffering is caused by human evils (war, pollution, etc.) When we witness human suffering that feels unjust, like childhood cancer, we ask "Why would a good God allow this? If I was God, I wouldn't." There have always been natural disasters that cause suffering, even before fossil fuels & climate change. We do have to grapple with the fact that God allows great suffering beyond mere consequences of human evil. Unless we see every natural disaster, even those of the past, as God punishing humanity for their sin.
Let’s not forget animal suffering due to disease and natural causes. If God is all powerful, then God allows innocent animals, who we are told cannot sin, to suffer.
Sin that he invented...
I'm studying environmental science at uni. We recently had a few lectures on the these forever chemicals (PFAS) and microplastics - it was shocking to learn these are in everything. Thank you Fr Casey for raising awareness on this! I've also finished reading both Laudato Si and Laudate Deum in the past few weeks; Pope Francis is very clear on how our attitudes need to change!
Why did god create these harmful chemicals and microplastics? Why did he make them harmful? Just for fun?
@@sledzeppelin Human agency uses made and uses them. Are you dehemodizing me? Stop being such a biggot Leaf person
@@robertortiz-wilson1588 Huh?
@@sledzeppelin (heheh)
@@robertortiz-wilson1588 Are you insane?
Cancer has existed since antiquity. It has many causes, some of which are viruses - which no person created. Some are genetic.
And often cancer in these arguments is short-hand for all the immensely painful health problems that no one is responsible for wrecking innocent people’s lives. I could listen a dozen from sudden infant death syndrome to Alzheimer’s.
We need to think more deeply about what omnipotence might really mean.
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I think the problem with your counterargument is that even if we did cause all of these problems, you would think God's mercy would drive him to protect us from the consequences of our poor choice. God was willing to suffer and die to shield us from the consequences of our actions on our salvation. Why is He unwilling to stop us from hurting one another the way that a parent would break up a fight between their children?
God didn't die to protect us from the consequences of our poor choices He died so we would be forgiven for our sins if we repent. If you commit a sin you still bear the consequences of that sin. Whether the consequences are external or internal.
Then free will would be taken away. I know it's hard to justify that argument when a child runs into the street after a ball and is struck and killed and then I say that it was her choice to run into the street without looking for traffic. But if all of us are to be given free will, which everyone would agree is a good thing, then God could not intervene in certain instances because that overrides the will of the individual. Then we become a people who will take reckless actions knowing that there will be no consequences if our choices lead into danger.
Still there are lots of types of cancer that are not caused by any external factors, but spontaneous anomalies in our bodies. What would you say about those cases?
I recently lost a good friend to Cancer. He was battling it his whole entire life. When he was a baby. He battled it about 8 or 9 times throughtout his life and YET he still kept fighting. His body would replicate tumor after tumor and infect major areas of his body. It was sad and shocking what cancer does to a person, just eating away at you but yet my friend preservered and stood strong to his faith.
To this day I still wonder, if it were my child...would it be more humane to let that child go or hopefully cure him in the hopes of my child's cancer not returning? Of having him or her live their life with the constant shadow of cancer returning to hant them?
In my eyes, my friend became the modern Job. He was terminal from his first diagnosis but yet he lived a life that was full, meaningful, and with abundance. He had 51 great years on this planet and he'll still be loved as he is remembered.
God isn't at fault for cancer. Cancer itself is a biological mystery. I wouldn't even wish it on my worst foe.
"I wouldn't even wish it on my worst foe." Yet your god doesn't put a stop to it.
@@darrylelam256 How do people not see this?! This god described in the christian bible as omniscient, omnipotent, and omnibenevolent, is only two of those things, maximum (and I'd argue none). Just mindlessly repeating "mysterious ways" doesn't cut it. If he's all-powerful and childhood cancer exists, then he sure as hell ain't good.
@sledzeppelin I know some pretty heartless people who are morality better then this god they claim is morality prefect.
Job is the guy god tormented just to do it, right? For his amusement? Just to show he could? That’s the story, right? Quite a good loving god you have there.
@@sledzeppelin You both are missing the point...by a WIDE margin. Let's see any of you actually handle tradegy after tragedy in your own lives and still be able to walk with your heads upright. Let's see anyone (for that matter) go through battle after battle after battle and NOT want to trhrow in the proverbial towel.
Whether the story of Job is real or not, even if it's true. What would any of you do in his place? Chances are you'd be down on your own knees begging for any deity to make the pain and suffering cease...even for five minutes.
Im certain if any of you had cancer, your views might change. Ever actually talk to someone in the midst of their battle? They preservere and endure. It's not just willpower alone. Hope and faith in whatever count for something. SOmetimes they survive and sometimes they don't. But their piece of mind? Yeah, I wouldn't try to take that away from anyone.
But you had better...hope...it never happens to you or any of yours.
This is my second comment. I could not get this video out of my mind. So we blame the 5 yo’s cancer on … the parents? The 5 yo? Society? No this is really really wrong and deeply troubling. Candidly this video has shaken my faith. 😢
On the ones poisoning our food with pesticides... on the fact so many producers pump everyday products with these harmful chemicals... on the fact that, for adults, personal decision making with diet and exercise plays a role. Maybe we should stop looking for people to blame, and instead look for ways to prevent. I think that's really the takeaway we should have from this video.🙏
please do not let the words of ONE priest on youtube shake your faith! fr casey is not God! God loves you and His truth never changes. go to Him, tell Him your troubles, cry out to Him. He waits for you!
@@donut9719and the 5 year old kid has to pay for their mistakes because...?
Cancer existed before the use of these chemicals and exists in animals in the wild. This video *should* shake your faith. God is claimed to be all powerful and created everything yet somehow is not responsible for disease and natural disaster that affect not just innocent, God-fearing Christians but animals who we are told cannot sin. God gets all the credit when things go the way we want but none of the blame when they don’t. What’s wrong with that picture?
This explains a good chunk of cancer cases but not all. There are also some newer studies that have concluded some cancers are straight up "bad luck." NPR and John Hopkins have some articles about this. Many cancers and probably most rise from many things we put into the environment, but not an insignificant amount have been concluded to be literally "bad luck."
That likely just means they didn't look hard enough. Some company used too much fertilizer on a food, or too much flame retardant on a new piece of furniture, or they didn't record every single item ever purchased at the dollar store.
@@savedawretch Cancer is naturally occurring. Although in our particular society the rate is probably higher than it would be in the natural world due to factors such as abundant chemicals and longer lifespans.
Cancer is not only naturally occurring but has been known about since ancient times, long before pesticides and herbicides. It exists in animals in the wild as do hosts of other diseases. Humankind has never been without disease. Neither has the animal kingdom and, we are told, animals cannot sin so we can’t blame it on sin. If you believe your God created everything, then he created cancer and all other diseases both in humans, animals, and plants.
What about the millions of people who died of cancer before “society” or modern pollutants? There are even dinosaur fossils that show bone cancer, so it can’t be attributed to human causation at the macro level- only ever in distinct cases for a subset of the population
@@savedawretch Cancer is natural. Our immune systems knock cancer down all the time. What most call cancer is when the cancer cells win out.
If I build an aquarium and all the fish get sick and die I don't blame the fish, I blame myself. Cancer has been with us as long as we've been home sapiens, long before the first caveman to huddle around a fire.
Hmm… people just need to accept the fact that people die… no need to victim blaming
This is a terrible take that amounts to little more than victim-blaming. Curiously, it actually skirts very close to Eastern ideas about karma. At least karma explains things like this in terms of a deserved punishment for past misdeeds in this life or a previous one. But Christianity doesn't have that excuse to fall back on. So how, then, do we explain all the people who get cancer through no fault of their own (i.e., just random mutations, nothing to do with life choices)? What about innocent children who suffer terribly from painful cancers? I think it's a bit disingenuous to try to frame the argument as people "blaming God for cancer," because that's not really the issue. The issue is that a whole lot of people are left to wonder why an all-powerful and all-loving God does nothing to prevent it in the first place.
And I have to add that if you see a grieving family trying to cope with the sickness and death of a loved one, and your reaction is to get annoyed, you may need to work on your empathy skills.
100% agree. On the other hand as a Buddhist and former catholic, I would like to point out that Karma law is not punishment at all. It is just cause effect of phenomena.
Right, you're simply reaping what you sow, whether it was something in this life or another one.
Such bullshit. Forget about our own poor diet for a moment. If God actually has power, and if he actually cares about us, he can prevent BLAMELESS CHILDREN from getting cancer. If he doesn't do that, then by definition, either he isn't powerful, or he doesn't care to help. Or both.
Your all powerful god could have just created a world in which cancer wasn’t possible no matter what we poor humans do.
If he wanted people to live happy lives with no care. But God doesn’t put earthly happiness above all. He puts dependence on him higher than that. And empathy. And desire for heaven. Sometimes suffering brings us great meaning and purpose in life.
@@BreakingInTheHabit So we suffer because he loves us.
@@BreakingInTheHabit That's ridiculous. You seem to be saying we can't be happy without suffering cancer.
Plenty of other ways to suffer, since that's what your god wants. Again, an all loving god would not give children cancer. Period. There is no good reason that you or your god could ever come up with to justify children dying of cancer. EVER. Your god could have made the human body incapable of getting cancer, lets say, under the age of 20.
@@BreakingInTheHabit "He puts dependence on him higher than that" What an amazing admission.
And it applies also to God's representatives on earth.
It is NOT Free Will when you are dependent on someone.
When you think a good role model is a mafia boss, "You are free to not do what I tell you - but then you are dead", be my guest.
But God is worse, at least when you are killed by the mafia, it is over - but with God you will be tortured FOREVER.
What you admit to here is that when you believe, then you will do ANYthing God tells you.
When you do, the reward is eternal happiness in Heaven
When you don't, the punishment is eternal torture in Hell.
No wonder that christian have problems with condemning slavery, when you believe in the "love" and "eternal wrath" (over dozens of generation), slavery is like holidays.
A classic eternal carrot and eternal stick.
"suffering brings us great meaning and purpose in life" - so "How do I avoid being tortured forever?" is the meaning of life?
That is pure bankruptcy.
But empathy does not fit in your list. Empathy is the ability to think what others think and feel. And that must not be other humans, can be all kinds of other lifeforms. And other lifeforms have empathy, too. Do dogs believe in God to have empathy?
When I assume empathy is an inherent characteristic of higher lifeforms, then I can assume the "Golden Rule of Empathy":
"Treat others how you want to be treated". Also said (more or less) by Jesus, but also by countless other non-christian cultures.
When you want that your errors are treated tolerantly, treat other's s errors tolerantly.
When I want to be respected, treat others with respect.
As I do not want to be exploited or manipulated, I can assume others don't want to be exploited or manipulated, so I should neither exploit or manipulate myself or allow others to exploit or manipulate me or others.
I want to be happy, so make others happy.
And as most people are happier when they are surrounded by happy people, that all comes rather naturally.
No need for a supernatural all-powerful God.
Does that always work? NO: We are good AND bad. As some things that simply happen because things happen are good and others are bad.
Like sun is warm and nice to be outside, but dries out the land, and rain is wet and ugly, but waters the plants
Nothing in the whole universe is ONLY good and NEVER bad and the other way around.
Only God is postulated to be only good. And christians have to twist themselves into pandimensional pretzels to excuse the violations of this postulation in their own book.
Why did God harden Pharaoh's heart multiple times (when Pharaoh wanted to let the Israelites go) until he could kill all the firstborn in Egypt? Including all the firstborn animals - what have they done wrong?
@@dobrien51, writes _"So we suffer because he loves us."
Just look at what you "made him do" -- says every abuser!
As someone, who worked with kids with inborn cardiac problems, I found all your, father, arguments really float. There is no excuse for a child 8 months of age to come up to the operating table with fatal heart failure, especially with a genetically predisposed condition. Child cancer also can be caused by genetic predisposition, and even if not, we still speak of human life, ending in great suffering without own agency on the matter. Because usually children don't smoke and eat fried food for decades
And I consider the relation of God to such instances a great mystery of faith and a case for the inability to comprehend God with the human mind, because there is simply no way to explain it in any adequate way
As well, I'm not in any position to correct anyone, who blames God for this, just because. As well as you, father. Sometimes people have valid reasons to at least not love God, and there is nothing we, as a human, can do, to change it
Have you considered that God might be a wicked fiction?
This is one of the worst responses to the problem of suffering/evil I've ever seen by someone who has years of pastoral experience and at least a MDiv.
Fr. Casey makes no distinctions between primary and secondary causes. God is the primary cause of all existence and the greedy actions that increase the likelihood of cancers are secondary causes. If God is a different sort of cause than human action, then both can be interrogated on the question of suffering. These are two different types of questions: Why does the universe allow for the suffering of innocents at all? Why did people in the past and present do things that increased the rate of suffering? Finding blame with greedy people does not erase the first question about the nature of reality itself. Fr. Casey should know better.
I think it is also an area where our celibate clergy have some need to exercise humility. Not ever having mothered or fathered a child, they are only looking at horrible diseases manifesting in children from theoretical and at best extended family perspectives. Those are not bad perspectives, but what practical wisdom does Fr. Casey have for a parent trying to come to grips with an innocent child suffering? He doesn't. Clergy should probably remain silent in those areas instead of talking about asbestos mining and insulation. To be blunt, that sort of answer is as bad as "God never gives you more than you can handle." A silent response could look like, "I have no words, but I am here to listen." That solidarity with the suffering goes much further than trying to parse out blame for preventable illnesses (some percentage of blame is unassignable because genes do some random bad things at times or cells migrate improperly in utero at times). Those sufferings are every bit as real as the "human-inflicted" sufferings Casey seems to be discounting." Also, I think it is okay to wonder why reality is the way that it is. It is quite human to ask those primary cause-type questions about suffering. Fr. Casey would be ill-advised to short circuit that portion of grieving.
as a Catholic doctor, I heartily agree.
Why are you a doctor? Is it because you want to help people because you care about them? Or do you just want to make money off them?
Why be a doctor? After all according to doctrine people live and die at God's whim.
@@jklinders go ask St Luke ;)
Why did god make asbestos cause cancer and not tell us about it? To be funny?
@@sledzeppelin lol, why did God create any number of other dangerous flora, fauna, or geological/meteorological dangers then? everything God makes is good, provided it remains in its intended function/place. it is human foolishness that exposes us to things we should stay away from.
The thing is, God could have made us in such a way that we could never get cancer or made cells in such a way that it could never occur. I fully agree that it's existence is on humanity, but to me that only is evidence to me that we have only ourselves to rely on/blame for all the good and bad in the world and that there is no higher power present, no matter what comfort it may offer us.
Have you ever encountered a spoiled child/adult who bears no consequences, who has never struggled or worked for anything? How good is their character, attitude, or soul? With our fallen nature God has made us mortal for our own good. Just know there is a God, He just doesn't act like a genie who grants our every wish. His will is to save your soul from sin so He has to act like a loving parent and make the best choices for our soul even if it means allowing us to suffer the consequences of our actions. He loves you, is waiting for you to seek Him, and He wants you to spend eternity with Him. His will is always love and mercy.
@@MD-il8dldid your brain slip out of your head?
The problem of evil has never been fully addressed, despite many theologians endeavoring to address it through the formulation of elaborate theodicies. Sure, many evils are the culmination of human neglect and outright malfeasance, but wouldn't a loving entity, who is infinitely capable, do something to mitigate or eradicate the consequences of such neglect and malfeasance when it effects those who did not perpetrate such things? A child walks innocently down the street, a gang member drives by and shoots at his enemy and misses and hits the child instead. If I had the power to deflect the bullet I would. Why doesn't God? It makes no sense. Sparing the child the trauma and injury of being shot does not contravene anyone's free will. What greater good is served by the child's endangerment? By the way, I am speaking as a Catholic, not an atheist. I just don't have a good answer when confronted with this conundrum.
Exactly! I've talked to many religious people, mostly catholic monks, nuns and priests, but also rabbis and muftis, yet not one has given me an ecplanation for this
Here is what I have gotten from my own research brother, based on the innocent being affected by evil because of free will is what I’ll speak on. Does God will that the child be shoot/killed, no obviously, God does not will the death of anyone but for us to be able to chose Him we must have free will. With free will if God were to intervene every time a evil person does a evil action upon a innocent then that would be taking away the evil persons free will to do such evil. With free will we either can accept and follow God or reject Him. If God didn’t let us have the choice of evil then we wouldn’t have the choice to truly love him. You cannot love someone or something if that choice is forced upon you, so if we choose evil then God will not stop us or the actions that evil will bring because it would be affecting free will simply. And God does intervene when He is called upon, that’s why miracles exist it’s us relying on God to be able to do something we are incapable of doing. Usually this is with severe illness and things along that line. God can act in this world but for him to act and impede on the evil action of a shooter shooting and hitting a innocent then the person would never serve the consequence of that evil for God has already stopped it from happening but now that person will be held accountable at judgment for the evil they committed. Hope that clears up some of your confusion.
Personally I prefer the soul building theodicy, but in defense of the free will defense one could argue that the reason why God doesn't intervene with our free will is because God is a God of truth and thus would create the most authentic world possible, aka one with teleological freedom. God cannot create a world where we freely choose the good all the time, that's a logical contradiction. We are co-actualizers with God in this world and evil is necessary if we are to be co-actualizers. Let me put it this way:
So let’s group possible world’s into two categories: ones where God alone has free will and ones where others have free will. We’ll call these GF for God has free will and OF where others have free will.
Now the concept of free Will entails that one makes choices they were not forced to make. This means they are actualized decisions. For that reason, in OF, God is not the only actualizer of that world. We are co-actualizers with God.
So there is a world in which we all freely choose to do the good, but by definition it isn’t up to God to bring it about. We would have to cooperate with God to bring about that world, and if our current world is anything to go by, we won’t cooperate.
So in short, God doesn’t bring about the world where everyone freely chooses to do the good because it would require the cooperation of the people of OF, and we won’t cooperate.
@@YaksoHD In the scenario I described, the simple deflecting of the bullet away from the child does not curtail the perpetrator's free will. The gang member is still FREE to implement his homicidal intent on his enemy. By God intervening, it just eliminates the effect of that sin on an innocent party, who was in no way culpable of the circumstances leading up to the WILLFUL discharge of the gun. By your reasoning, anytime anyone seeks to prevent an injustice, it is stifling the free will of the perpetrator, and that is a greater sin than the crime being committed against the innocent!? Taking this to its logical conclusion, every injustice whether on a small scale or genocidal scale should be allowed to happen, because efforts to shelter the innocent against such crimes would be tantamount to the suppression of someone's volition. I am sorry, but I find that to be wholly unsatisfactory explanation regarding the problem of evil. It is also a justification for complacency in the face of immorality.
@@DarkArcticTV I am just going to copy and paste my response to @YaksoHD , the commentor above you, because I think my response applies to your comment, as your reasoning his similar to @YaksoHD. :
In the scenario I described, the simple deflecting of the bullet away from the child does not curtail the perpetrator's free will. The gang member is still FREE to implement his homicidal intent on his enemy. By God intervening, it just eliminates the effect of that sin on an innocent party (the child), who was in no way culpable of the circumstances leading up to the WILLFUL discharge of the gun. By your reasoning, anytime anyone seeks to prevent an injustice, it is stifling the free will of the perpetrator, and that is a greater sin than the crime being committed against the innocent!? Taking this to its logical conclusion, every injustice whether on a small scale or genocidal scale should be allowed to happen, because efforts to shelter the innocent against such crimes would be tantamount to the suppression of someone's volition. I am sorry, but I find that to be wholly unsatisfactory explanation regarding the problem of evil. It is also a justification for complacency in the face of immorality.
As an Atheist I don't blame a nonexistent being for cancer but I will point out the flaws in someone's thinking that an
Omniscient- Knows all things and all possible things/events.
Omnibenevolent- All loving and incapable of hating anything/anyone.
Omnipresent- Exists in all places and all possible places and at all times.
Omnipotent- So powerful as to be able to do any possible action.
That's a QUAD OMNI god.
SO IT CAN'T BE ALL THOSE THINGS AND BE CONSISTENT IN ALL THOSE THINGS WITHOUT VIOLATING EACH OF THOSE OMNI TRAITS AT SOME POINT.
Have your god but at least allow him/her/it to have some flaws. IT'S ALREADY BLATANTLY OBVIOUS THAT YOUR GOD HAS PLENTY OF THEM.
Ditto for deaths caused by earthquakes and hurricanes. We've built huge cities in earthquake prone areas and we have the Gaul to blame God for the deaths when the earth shakes, as it always has in those areas?
And while the houses on the beach in Florida may be beautiful 99% of the time, when hurricanes come and blow away everything as they have for all of recorded history we blame God for our poor choices? That's not even remotely fair to God.
Ok but what about things like tragic earthquakes those are entirely natural and cause great human suffering
1) We may have had less cancer in the past, but we always had it. And it was way more painful and deadly because we sinned more... or because we had no medicine
2) Got still created the rules that certain chemicals increase the chance of cancer.
these chemicals were never meant to be used by human beings, just like the tree of knowledge was
Then why didn’t God say not to use those chemicals or else we’d get cancer? And how is it our fault Adam broke the rules?
@@reintaler6355 so you admit that God intentionally created a system in which certain chemicals are meant to cause cancer, right? He is omnipotent, he could create any other system. He chose not to.
@@Strongpoint_S No, they are not *meant* to cause (human) cancer because they were created to interact with other creatures that do not have this kind of concern. Your question is as logical as ''Black Africans were *meant* to settle in the Americas en masse since the 16th century.'' Why the hell would they, if not for extreme human failure?
@@Strongpoint_S most things which are harmful to us are not for a large variety of species (not the ones mentioned in the video obviously) or are chemical subproducts which in nature are in infinitely small amounts BUT that humans have chosen to make millions of times more present through their actions. I think it's time to stop thinking of God as someone which created a playground for us where to have fun in.
Reality is a great check mate against your fictional god. Grow up and acknowledge reality.
Yes, we can stop blaming God for cancer if religious people stop crediting God for the only good.
If I were at a BBQ and saw a toddler stumbling towards an open fire pit, I would do anything and everything within my power to stop that child from harming themselves. I want to believe that God would too. If God truly loves us all then the pain he must feel when he watches that child fall into that fire pit must be so immense and utterly heartbreaking, it is beyond my comprehension and I feel ignorant for not understanding why he could and would allow such things to happen.
In the beginning we had it made. But our original parents chose to disobey. Now we all have to suffer the consequences of life. But there is hope. God sent his ONLY Son because he so loved the world.
@daffidavit Had it made? Our ancestors at one time were primarily a prey species and would die from a simple infection.
God allows us to use our free will so that is the main cause of our suffering. Also, He often sees that there is a greater good that comes from our suffering. If God was to prevent our suffering all the time we would be like spoiled children who would bear no consequences for their actions and might cause our soul to rot. Third, God created us to have eternal life. Jesus died so that we would be saved from sin, He didn't die for us to have a perfect life. So we often have to suffer for the good of our soul because God loves us so much that He wants us with Him for eternity despite our sin.
That was after the fall. @@stevenhorr
@@MD-il8dl That's "as it is today". Why not make a world where suffering doesn't exist AND no one becomes spoiled and no soul rots?
God could make cancer not exist, but chooses not to. That's the end of the story for me.
and you r absolutely right!
God could also make sharp objects not exist. He could make rain not exist. He could made any number of things that cause human suffering not exist, but that’s missing the point. Human suffering is not the end all of our lives because this life is not the end all of our existence. Suffering can actually be the most important thing we ever experience when it allows us to be more dependent on God, grow in empathy for others, and focus on what really matters.
“ Suffering can actually be the most important thing we ever experience when it allows us to be more dependent on God,”.
I don’t believe you’re a bad person and I’ll defend you against anyone who thinks you are, but that sounds psychotic
@BreakingInTheHabit Suffering can also be the worst thing people experience. My mother, when dying of cancer in a hospice would willingly have taken a pill to end it all - and she was a Christian. Last year my daughter took her own life because she could not bear her mental suffering. I fortunately am mentally and physically healthy but these experiences have done nothing to bring me closer to God.
@@BreakingInTheHabitfinally you've answered the question. The point was not why do adults with unhealthy behaviours developed cancer, but why children who've done nothing wrong get it
As Blanche said in Golden Girls, "AIDS is not a bad person disease Rose! It is not God punishing people for their sins!" Same thing goes for cancer and the reason people contract or develop diseases r nothing more then serious cases of bad luck. As for blaming ourself for things like this or anything, well it's really painful. So painful that people don't wanna face, so blaming others is both easier and a coping mechanism.
Correct! God didn't create AIDS to punish people for their sins. He just made it and all the other diseases and natural disasters and bacteria and parasites because he likes to see humans suffer and die, apparently.
As a Minnesotan, I’ve never blamed God for cancer... mosquitoes? Now, that’s another story! 😡Nice video! Thanks!
And who created mosquitoes? (According to christians). Aren't mosquitoes part of the creation?
Mosquitos have killed many, many, many people all over the world through malaria. Another gift from the all-powerful and all-good god!
why would a 5 year old suffer from cancer because of factors it is not capable of even understanding, rather than the people responsible for those factors?
Because people responsible for those factors might not be exposed to those factors.
@@MD-il8dland does that sound like a perfect creation and a just god to you?
@@rodriguezelfeliz4623 We're not perfect and yes He's a just God. He gave us freewill and we misuse it. He gave us 10 commandments and people break them all the time, hurting others in the process. Through the ten commandments you can see who does God's will and who goes against His will.
"Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind. This is the greatest and the first commandment. And the second is like to this: Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments dependeth the whole law and the prophets.” (Matthew 22: 35-40)
@@MD-il8dl yes we are not perfect, but why are the mechanics and laws that govern his "perfect" creation so prone to death, disease and suffering... man made or not? And how is it just that innocent little kids have to suffer and pay with their own lives for the mistakes of rich old men in suits who run industries? Couldn't an all powerful god find a way to give free will without having so much unjust suffering? Why not let people have free will and pay for their own mistakes themselves, without punishing innocent kids?
Well, and that's all if you accept that we have free will (I suspect we do not tho)
Also, why does his "perfect" creation have parasites that transmit malaria? Or diseases like tuberculosis which killed millions back in the day? What about loiasis worms (african eye worm, a parasite passed on to humans by deerflies, which cause blindness on their victims)? What about tetanus? Congenital disorders? Genetic syndromes? Cholera? Rabies? What about tsunamis, volcanoes, earthquakes?... the list goes on and on and on. Are they all man made as well?
@@rodriguezelfeliz4623 Free will without real consequences is not free will. You say you suspect we don't have free will but if you didn't have free will you wouldn't be able to control your actions. You would be a robot with someone making decisions about every aspect of your life including your body movements. Just think about Kim Jong Un. Would you like a God who controls your every move and gives a false sense of free will. God is not a dictator. He gives you a choice, you can do good by following His commandments or you can choose evil. God created nature with it's laws according to our condition. Would you have liked an immortal Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini. You also forget about eternal life with God. There is a better life beyond death, our souls are eternal and suffering here is temporary another reason why God allows death and suffering.
This is an interesting, and frankly rather flimsy, theodicy. No doubt human activity has caused a spread of carcinogens and we ought to take responsibility for that (though interestingly another explanation of the rates of cancers is just people not dying of other causes and living long enough to die of cancer), but cancers unrelated to pollutants do occur in nature , as do other horrific illnesses . The problem of cancer and other evils isn't a checkmate against claims of the existence of God or of his* love. In no way is the existence of natural processes which result in childhood leukemia disproof of God. But it certainly does seem to be a problem for those who do believe he exists. It's not particularly a problem for those who think the material world indifferent to our plans. Your message, and that of pope Francis, of recognising human responsibility is certainly worthy, but it does side step the issue.
*question: Do you have a position on whether or not to capitalise the pronoun when referring to God?
It does disprove the existence of a deity who satisfies the three omnis. Pediatric cancer is consistent with a deity who is indifferent to suffering or doesn’t care about, or a deity who is too weak to prevent it, or one who is simply ignorant about the world. But it’s not consistent with attributes ascribed to god by most religions. A sadist god, sure.
The problem of evil is mainly a problem for an omni god (omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent), if someone beleives in a god who doesnt have one or more of those omnis, the problem of evil doesnt affect them.
@@Julian0101 Okay sure. I thought given the context I didn't need to specify that I was discussing theodicy of the God of Abraham (besides capitalising the G).
@@egodeosum My bad then :p
@@Julian0101 no worries.
Father Casey. The take away is we have free will as individuals and as a society.
More importantly the crosses we bear brings us closer to Our Lord.
I love how Sr. Briege McKenna says that when Ireland was poverty stricken they were closer to God.
It’s through suffering that we are humbled and become closer to Our Lord.
I lost my daughter who was 27 years old. Honestly her passing brought more people to Christ than her life on earth.
I am more aware and pray more for souls in purgatory than before my daughter’s passing.
I thank God that she was loaned to us and thank God greater good has come from her passing.
Why doesn't your god let you be closer to him without requiring you suffer a lot first?
Because of original sin. The punishment for sin is death… Jesus who was sinless died on the cross to save you and me from being damned eternally.
I’ll use an example when you started school and had to study for exams was it fun? Or the sport you loved was it hard work? Does your body ache when you go to the gym? So why can’t you simply get fantastic biceps without having to punish yourself with the correct diet and lots of pump in the gym… not just random pump, but very specific… to get to the right muscles.
Suffering on earth is nothing compared to eternal damnation. Our suffering is to help us grow closer to God. To be empathetic to our neighbours. I decided not to give you an academic response but a heart to heart one.
Without struggling there is no reward.
Exactly how, then, does this explain animal suffering? We’re told animals cannot sin yet they suffer from disease, accidents, natural disasters, starvation. They are ripped apart alive by predators. How does their suffering bring anyone closer to God? How does a child too young to understand God become closer to God through pain and suffering? The child dying from malnutrition or cancer? They are a pawn in God’s game to bring others closer to God? Surely your all powerful, all loving God could have devised a better plan than that.
@@OldMotherLogo Yep! God made many animals REQUIRE the brutal killing of other animals for their own survival. What, for his amusement?
Let’s start with children… have you heard of Carlos Acutis. Teenager died of cancer…, Maria Goretti gave up her life instead of being raped and her murderer in the process was f being canonised to sainthood.
The suffering of animals are mainly our fault. We took away their natural habitat where killing was only allowed for survival no more no less.
It does not matter who or what you are… God is LOVE. Gods permissive will allows the evil spirits to prowl around the world, in order for us to become virtuous and Holy.
Our goal as humans are to be saints. Listen to Fr. Chad Ripperger, Fr. Chris Alar, Bishop Robert Barron all modern day theologians who has a wealth of experience to share.
An interesting and educational video if nothing else, but counter argument: We might be the cause for a *higher* rate of Cancer, but it was still God who created it as a natural phenomenon.
If the bible is true, who do we have to blame for tobacco and a poor diet? The answer is god. He created everything and knows what everything he created would do. Do not shift the blame to humans because we are just following god's plan, of course, that is if the bible is true.
I do not blame god for anything, how can I blame an entity that I do not believe exists?
How do tobacco and alcohol impact the rate of cancer in children? Just asking.
What a poor argument for a loving and all powerful god. How can you not see that this doesn't make any sense?
I would agree with your point about forever chemicals and pollutants and car exhaust etc if cancer was a modern problem. It isn't. We have found fossilized hominid remains from well before modern chemistry, let alone any of that stuff, that show signs of cancer.
Never blamed him for things like that. He knows it all, so all is here for a reason. Is it my task to see it?
The true moral of Job is that God is willing to gamble on peoples lives to wins a bet against the devil
@@ankereisenman4824except Job's god is evil. He kills Jobs wife and family. And then restores another wife and children: as if they are merely processions like his cattle and house. The same in Passover story: God kills the first born of the poorest slave in Egypt but Phereoh who is holding the Israelites captive he spares: just so he can exercise free will. What had the children done to deserve death.
@@biteme9486 and won't even bring back your friends and family when he let's them die, he just gives you new ones
OK. Why does God allow freak accidents? A plane losing engines & crashing.
Bridge full of cars collapsing.
Mine failure with miners trapped...
Lots of hard to grasp events...
Blame bad engineers? Faulty aviation 'experts' who skipped inspections or ignored warning signs?
Or take the tsunami in Indonesia, 100,000 dead. Were they all evil sinners? All the kids playing on the beach that drowned.
My fun example is that AFTER Jesus saved us all, no one knew ( = went to hell) about that until the good news was spread - on human feet.
It took 1450 years to reach America, and over 1700 years to reach Australia. And who came were NOT men of God, but people who wanted to conquer and maybe had a priest along that sanctioned when they slaughtered the natives.
Not that these on these continents had ever heard about the Abrahamic God in the first place.
What does tobacco and poor diet have to do with an infant or toddler who has something like bone cancer? Something entirely outside of our control, that has existed long before society and pollution. I guess the argument is the millions of innocents who have to suffer until death might inspire future generations to attempt to alleviate this suffering?
Extremely good points, i was expecting basic apologetics on the problem of evil, but got something so much better.
Reminds me why i subbed even when im not religious.
Thats dumb
It was a basic apologetic point. It was nothing more than 'because free will' with sprinkles of irrelevant information about how pollution happens.
"Why didn't God save us from ourselves?!?!"
Jesus: “Do I look like a joke to you??”
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How about the imperfections of human DNA polymerase and the cancer-causing mutations that it could cause?
Considering how many people under 50 are dependent on pharma products, I think our problem is our food, social stresses, and environment.
Well, at least people live to 50, now (thanks, in no small part, to medical advances and modern medicine).
@@stevenhorr Well, the life expectancy in the middle ages if you made it to 25 years old was 50.7 years in Europe. So people lived to be old back then as well. The difference was many children and adolescents died along the way.
@@stevenhorr I think that is partially true but not for the majority of the crap they push on people. They want health as a service like every other business so that is how they run it. Try being in Kaiser Permanente if you don't believe me. Never felt more like a number in my life. They also could not solve my stomach issues. Kept saying it was normal. Luckily a functional medicine doctor posted some stuff on youtube and the protocol was available without prescription or I would still be suffering. They also couldn't solve a psoriasis issue. Turns out just needed to change detergents but they told me I would need their "ointment" forever. Doctors also told me I would need glasses my whole life. never wore them don't need them. Also had bad depression. All my friends on meds do no better than I do. In fact I would argue worse. Keep running from your problems looking for a quick fix and you get trapped in this system.
For the record a lot of people in history lived past 70 without even proper sanitation. Sanitation is probably the real reason we live longer.
I can say my mental and emotional health are SIGNIFICANTLY better when I’m studying my Bible, praying and bettering my relationship with the Lord, and I do not think it is a coincidence. I need God like I need air.
I can't accept the argument that a loving god would have a hands off approach with this. The people that feel the brunt of poor environmental policy are the people least able to affect change. These are usually the same people without means of medical treatment for these ill effects. Meanwhile the people with the biggest carbon output are also the ones who can change policy, but choose not to, all while having access to the best medical care money can buy.
Even if it is what we deserve... Even if accept the barbaric idea that children should be punished for the actions of their ancestors... Why should animals die of cancer? They get it too, they feel pain, and they suffer. Why can't they die peacefully?
@Strongpoint_S What's 500 000 000 years of animal suffering, though, right? 😶
@@stevenhorr Maybe the first animal ate a wrong... hm... bacterium and it is the result of their own original sin and free will!
As a parent who has a 6 year old son diagnosed recently with cancer, you/this video jumps from us throughout our lifes ourselves caused, but bringing up kids having cancer? Thats a pretty big gap there missed.
You can push this to the next level and say that evil is caused directly by sin
I pray to God that, if I or a loved one ever gets cancer, I don't have to get spiritual guidance from this jerk.
no because if god exists and loves us the he could save people from cancer if he wanted to. so its valid criticism
Thank you Father Casey, someone needed to say this.
The world needs more illogical blather?
@@JiveDadson like your post above?
I feel the best explanation is a very Catholic, one we don't know why. It's a mystery , the mystery of life, and the mystery of faith. If we are to say hold yourself accountable but not God this would be illogical. Everyone is accountable.
Does the Church actively promote solutions to these problems (which would amount to a great good), or are you merely drumming them up to deflect blame?
Some of the carcinogenics claims you are going for are at minimum controversial among scientists. Particularly those related to round up. Try to do a bit more research before scaring people. It is not even necesary for your argument.
Sure, as soon as people stop crediting god with curing their cancer, I'll stop blaming the ones who die on him. If he chooses to cure some, then he also chooses to let others die.
This isn’t going to bring a single person closer to God. In fact it is going to make people think God is allowing a world to be so poisonous that we have no hope for avoiding a suffering death for our children or selves. I don’t think this came across the way you intended it too, and that’s ok. Think of it as a learning experience
I think the point was to reflect and start being more mindful about our environment
@amespointer Excellent comment.
I think the point was to get an all powerful, all loving God off the hook and to put the blame on humans. And it did a miserably poor job of it.
The truth is that we don't *know* why God allows diseases, natural calamities, and human-induced suffering such as murder, genocide, etc. The human response falls into one of three categories: disbelief in the existence of God (or a benevolent, sentient god), rationalisation of why God allows these things to exist, or resentment towards God.
If someone asked me this question, my answer is that I dont know. But I believe nonetheless. Faith does not necessitate complete understanding.
Now, let's say there was a definitive answer to the question. Why do we think it would be an answer that would align with human logic? Why would the rationale of an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, eternal Intellect, which exists outside of time and space, align with the rationale and understanding of a vastly finite and constricted mind?
But, at the end of the day, we are offered a choice. I don't think that arguing the point with determined atheists is fruitful because we simply don't know. Some will be fine with that, others won't. That's just the way it is.
I felt that well put: we can't possibly know. There may not be any god. It is just our Faith is something we can choose.
Knowing Better made a really interesting point related to this in his climate change video. If you assume the Second Coming will happen in your generation, then there is no need to worry about fixing the environment. A lot of modern Christians just assume they can go about their lives as normal, and wait for God to fix the problem. That's not just short-sighted thinking, it's also self destructive.
As the Books of Haggai and Zechariah remind us, we need to be the ones to start construction on the new world we want to see. While we have faith that God will guide us, we have our own responsibilities here. We can influence the planet as a community. It's time we worked as a global community to achieve better outcomes for the world over.
The book of revelation is the most damaging spurge on humanity ever to afflict the the human mind. If the branches of Christianity which rejected its divinity had seized control of the religion, the world would be an unrecognizably better place.
And did any of those chemicals also prevent the deaths of others? Yes, asbestos when breathed in can cause cancer, but when deployed properly can prevent death. I usually agree with Father Casey, but he has missed the make on this one.
Thank you for this, something I rarely see people talking about. Personal responsibility for the physical things that happen to us has been washed away by secular and Christian thought alike. Our sin is not just in our personal thoughts but in our behavioral choices.
Higher risks of breast, ovarian and uterine cancers directly linked to nulliparity have been abundantly documented since 1713 and Dottore Bernardino Ramazzini's studies on occupational diseases, so much that breast cancer was called nun's disease. The American Cancer Society nowadays acknowleges that the risk is seven times higher for nuns and women who did not have children. No environmental alibi here, maybe just a tragic reading of Mark 8.35 "whoever loses their life for me and for the gospel will save it"?
See? Father Casey is right. Those nuns brought it on themselves by not obeying God’s commandment to be fruitful and multiply.
@@OldMotherLogo So did Jesus?
This video was too short to discuss a serious problem. You could have made the video more impactful by making it longer. The video itself isn’t awful by any means, but it could be better. I would also recommend putting sources for your evidence in the description.
I did not bother to comment on the video *_Let's Talk About the Eucharist_* , which is the worst magic trick ever.
But in typical Christian double talk we are not supposed to blame almighty God for cancer, even though God blames us for something Adam and Eve did sooooo maaany yeeeears agoooooo.
Get off your knees and take some time to think about why you believe what you believe and when you started believing it.
Then think about if you had never heard about God until just today, would you believe such a story?????
I realize that the rates for cancer have gone up. But as a species we have always had cancer. Before horrific chemicals, smoking, etc.
True, there haven't always, everywhere, been horrific chemicals. That said, humans have been breathing in the smoke from hearths for millenia; have drank and eaten from containers made with lead, mercury, nickel and other damaging metals for almost as long. We have, in fact, been exposing our bodies to carcinogens since the use of fire as a tool began.
Cancer is more common the longer you live. Rising rates of cancer are partly a result of living longer.
@@OldMotherLogo So that's not god's fault then?
I have a tumor now, 30 years old. At the end of the day God allows cancer for a reason, he foreknow and could have stopped cancer in this world but for some reason chose not too. On our part, well for my tumor it just grew despite being otherwise healthy so all I can do is say Lord thank you for cancer.
Unfortunately, people have had cancer for as long as we know it, and it's not only limited to humans, so it's hard to blame our lifestyle (it can drastically increase the risk though, it's true). I rather rely on the explanation that we can't see the big picture and what would become of the world, if no one could die prematurely. This doesn't change the fact that it is a terrible thing to happen and we should try to save lives as much as we can and help, comfort and support those in need, grief or illness.
OK, but god doesn't seem to love us enough to cure those whose families pray to him and pay to have masses offered. More proof to me that god simply doesn't exist.
Tell this to a parent in any children's hospital.
That's not an appropriate time for a conversation like that... which is *precisely* why I made a video about it, hopefully to help people before that happens.
That's kind of an unfair ask, there could be a world without cancer. Cancer isn't something anyone chooses to have, especially children. God gets credit for the good and the bad, not just the good.
If he could stop making so much cancer maybe I’ll stop asking. Or maybe just ask Issac I’m sure his mental faculties are fine after the voices told his dad to stab him.
I blamed God for genocide for so many years but later I understood it is not him especially that we have freewill
You overlook the genocide that God commanded in the Old Testament? Multiple times? Or that an all powerful God allows genocide to exist? In spite of his promises in the Bible, God clearly does not protect his people (or the innocent) from genocide, neither does he answer prayers to be healed. How about animal suffering? Natural disasters? They have nothing to do with “free will.”
Its also chemicals, at walmart, people that work in the back unboxing all the products get cancer a lot. I knew someone that used to work there, tap water too i would think
Title is true. Why should we blame a non existent being for problem that exists??
Well God loves you and is waiting for you to seek Him. "The desire for God is written in the human heart, because man is created by God and for God, and God never ceases to draw man to himself." CCC Maybe if you truly believed He didn't exist you wouldn't be commenting about Him. Just truly seek Him don't reject God because He doesn't fit your idea of how God is supposed to act or be.
Who is blaming God for cancer? It honestly sounds like a strawman argument for content.
Anyone here think that Brother Casey is just a well presented RUclips characteriture. Ie, a actor plsying a role to get traction. I mean very well performed and created. But i have pondered that there is never any reference to monsignor, bishop, parish or place of worship, no scenes in a church or other recognisable roman catholic figures
I confess that i feel fooled. Until this episode step way over any consivable Christian teaching.
But again, admire the creativity
I think you might be alone here. For the past 8 years I’ve shown many real-life experiences on this channel, and my Instagram is constantly populated with my real life. Don’t judge someone based on 8 minutes of their life a week. ruclips.net/video/pI4dwc7esbY/видео.htmlsi=zI7ZHI41dMrLux5f
@@BreakingInTheHabit I have followed BintH for a while. I had thought it a genuine article. And very interesting exploration of Catholic church teaching. Then again, the odd representation of Roman Catholics teaching had me thinking otherwise. I also realise I had never seen the character in a setting that could not be constructed. Ie, walking around an empty school. There has been no scenes preaching in church, a class room with students or with other recognise persons. Still I might be wrong. Im often told that.
It’s hilarious watching you people jump through hoops to justify something like this.
I hope you understand that Cancer happens in otherwise extraordinarily healthy and God loving people.
How do you account for those people, Father Casey?
because they live in a polluted world, like he explained.
God didn’t bring cancer into the world. God didn’t bring death into the world. Evil was brought into the world by us, by our own free will and it continues to flourish because of man’s free will.
Well, there are a lot of great virtues that logically require evil to exist. Patience, courage, forgiveness, sacrifice, mercy, perseverance, endurance, etc. Presumably God would create a world with the greatest possible virtues and a lot of these great virtues require evil to exist in the world. I don't know if this is an emotionally satisfying answer or not though.
We are supposed to die. In many ways cancer is the most merciful. It allows us to say goodbye to our lives ones. To face our demons and set our affairs in order.
We've found ways to beat most of the other things that kill us suddenly.
Why is dying of cancer necessary to do those things?
Father, do you drive a car?
Diet plays a huge role in cancer
That was poor argumentation. Saying we're to blame for all evil in the world. There were volcanoes and hurricanes before us, there are diseases that we are not responsible for and letting innocent children suffer for the sins of others sounds really hard to explain zo me as well.
I made a comment on a short talking about how my mother told me everything happens for a reason and this guy commented trying to make it look like God gave us cancer like it’s his fault and I tried to inform him that it is not God’s fault. It is our fault but he is too blinded by anger and rage to see the truth I hope more people will watch this video.
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Not your best video. I am a believing Catholic, but random genetic mutations do happen. It’s how I got brain cancer at 29. Fortunately I am in remission. But small children getting cancer is the single hardest thing to defend when discussing belief in God.
Mutations can be caused by environmental conditions.
What about genetic Cancer?? this is the kind of content which generated blame in innocent people. Sorry if it's not your intention but there are things that only science can explain, and people who cares themselves die young or get ill sometimes.
What about skin cancer caused by God allowing the Sun to shine down on us?
Not just for cancer. We are created free and responsible.
I agree about our responsibility, but there is a large part left outside of the human influence. This includes many cancers, but also earthquakes or tsunamis. And yes, we do work on reducing tsunami risks. Still, I do wonder why an all powerful and all good god created this aspect of the world. The best explanation I have is that, while from a human perspective god is as good as all powerful, god does have constraints on the creation of the universe of which our planet is one part.
Or maybe God is a creation of the human imagination in an attempt to try to make sense of the world and assuage our fear of death?
You are the best father Casey
Sorry, God could have prevented the 5 yo getting cancer. I am a believer but the pain and suffering in this world is a huge stumbling block for me.
When people say where was God during the Holocaust? I reply with God was there, he was in those same camps suffering with those people and by the grace of God those people that survived was nothing short of a miracle. Same thing as today the people that suffer from war, famine, disease and death the Lord is right beside them suffering with them.
what a funny God that must be....always want to suffer instead of preventing it.
@@MrTournemire lol cringe, shows what little you know.
@@54032Zepol oh I see...you know so much more
and in the meantime the killings and atrocities that have been around since humans are walking the earth are a wonderful "opportunity" for God to show us how much his "solidarity" with our suffering moves his heart ...cause...who needs a helping hand when instead you can "suffer" with the victims.
sound "cringe" ha?
@@MrTournemire nope tell me more reddit athiest.
@@54032Zepol there is nothing to tell you as you already know more
Listening to this strengthened my hatred toward humanity
Repentance. Believing in the word. Jesus heals. Trust me. Miracles are still happening. I am a witness ✝️
I was on my way to hate watch this video and post a big NUH-UH~! But a minute in and I was like "okay you are actually talking about it the right way" lol. Though nothing against you or your channel. Big fan, been thinking about looking to moving from my spiritual journey to possibly join the Catholic church. I'll let you know ha
Egyptians have cancer. That's an important starting point. It is sad that some people die, and how billionaires have made these problems worse. In all things, pray.
The number of children dying from cancer i decreasing due to advances in treatment, and infant mortality is much lower today than it was historically.
No, it must be because we sin less! Medicine is unnatural, it uses all those weird chemicals not intended for human consumption... and tools made out of those tools. It can't be that it doesn't make things worse!
with spooky season coming up, can you make a video on whether catholics can believe in ghosts/the paranormal?
Unfortunately, it is the case that to deny the possibility of cancer is to deny cell growth. This does not absolve us from finding a definitive cure