Can We Stop Blaming God for Cancer?

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  • @gingerchastain907
    @gingerchastain907 7 месяцев назад +242

    Genetics played a big part in our daughter cancer....she does not smoke or drink, but she still got synovial sarcoma. Not once did we think do blame God for this. It is something that just happens sometimes, and cancer on my husband's side of the family is extreme. She had to have her right leg amputate, but she is now in remission. This cancer is never considered cured, it can come back anytime and when it does it is mostly fatal. But she could live another 30 or more years as well. We just take one day at a time. One scan at a time. And thank God for the victories.

    • @DarkArcticTV
      @DarkArcticTV 7 месяцев назад +1

      It's interesting, people who actually go through horrendous evil rarely blame God on it, but atheists on online forums and in universities think it's a big problem

    • @catholicusmaan
      @catholicusmaan 7 месяцев назад +6

      God allowed this action for a greater good to come out of it.

    • @joeyhurtado1
      @joeyhurtado1 7 месяцев назад +8

      God Bless You, your mindset is inspiring🙏🏼✝️

    • @generalyousif3640
      @generalyousif3640 7 месяцев назад +4

      @@catholicusmaan
      Limbo isn’t a church doctrine

    • @jeazurlantes
      @jeazurlantes 7 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@generalyousif3640 is it better to practise apologetics to degrade another Christian with this topic in the video or help spreading God's hope and love to those who have cancer?

  • @helennaomi8694
    @helennaomi8694 7 месяцев назад +130

    I have had cancer twice. Two different unrelated cancers one after another. Funnily my relationship with God has been strengthened through these challenges in recent years. Inspired by the likes of Fr Casey, I have joined the Catholic Church and was baptised at the Easter vigil earlier this year.
    What I’ve come to realise his life is a gift, bestowed on me by my Lord, and every day that I wake up, I thank him for this precious gift of breath in my lungs.
    My doctors have researched, tested and questioned why I have had the cancers and they have no answer. What they’ve been able to offer me is great, but brutal, treatment. I’m now in remission from one cancer and looking to be in remission from the other soon. For now, I am happy and feel utterly blessed because of my faith. I’m surrounded by so much love, from my doctors and nurses and other patients as well as my family and friends, and sometimes even strangers.
    I will glorify his name even amidst the challenges I face. ❤️

    • @stevenhorr
      @stevenhorr 7 месяцев назад +5

      I applaud your attitude and envy your steadfast faith. Thanks for sharing.

    • @fordoutdoors35
      @fordoutdoors35 7 месяцев назад +3

      Amen! God bless you, welcome to the Catholic Faith, stay strong in the Eucharist!! It is our closest thing to heaven on earth

    • @iEuno1
      @iEuno1 7 месяцев назад +2

      My father beat 4 cancers and is now potentially fighting his 5th one, although his condition might not be cancer.
      He had many blood transfusions, over 10 in less than 2 months.

    • @patricianunes3521
      @patricianunes3521 7 месяцев назад +2

      May God continue to bless you Thank you for sharing your story with us 🙏🏽

    • @ajpoopfucker
      @ajpoopfucker 7 месяцев назад +1

      God bless you. Wish you all the best

  • @aslinndhan
    @aslinndhan 7 месяцев назад +131

    I never blamed God for my cancer. I thanked God for blessing my doctors with the knowledge and the healing hands that were placed on my miserable body. I used my cancer as my cloister and prayed and meditated on Him and His Son and the saints and angels. It saved me, gave me hope and eventually lifted me up and healed me.

    • @YaksoHD
      @YaksoHD 7 месяцев назад +3

      God bless you!

    • @aslinndhan
      @aslinndhan 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@YaksoHD You too

    • @dalspartan
      @dalspartan 7 месяцев назад +2

      Amen

    • @agentjs09
      @agentjs09 7 месяцев назад +2

      I pray that, when my time comes, I approach death with the same grace that you so clearly have.

    • @darrylelam256
      @darrylelam256 7 месяцев назад +3

      "I thanked God for blessing my doctors with the knowledge" Yes because the best way to thank your doctors is to devalue them by thanking god for doing nothing. Your doctors had that knowledge because they worked hard to learn that knowledge, knowledge that came of us humans stumbling around trying to understand why people were getting sick and how to made them better.

  • @andrewleplatt502
    @andrewleplatt502 7 месяцев назад +62

    This isn't a great one. Cancer can be induced by human decisions yes but its also naturally occurring. A chance mutation that is dangerous to the body. This also doesn't really strike at the philosophical question underpinning the question.
    "Why does God allow suffering?" or better yet "Why does God allow lethal suffering?"
    Suffering like cancer can have human based causes, so can hurricanes, but the suffering that these potentially natural or unnatural phenomenon cause are at the bottom of the feeling expressed. How can God let us suffer due to things out of our control? It's not really addressed here.

    • @nuage6500
      @nuage6500 7 месяцев назад +7

      Yes, I was looking for this comment! I feel this one lacks dept

    • @hapotus410
      @hapotus410 2 месяца назад +1

      How dare you bring out science to the conversation with the bible thumpers

  • @w1pa123
    @w1pa123 7 месяцев назад +21

    Regardless, there are still insane amounts of instances of cancer developing without any external factors in play. What else are you to blame in such cases? If God is all seeing and loving, won't he intervene? And in cases where the cancer is from human-made causes, why won't he intervene regardless?

    • @sledzeppelin
      @sledzeppelin 7 месяцев назад

      And why did god make asbestos cause cancer and not tell us about it? All these things that Friar Casey blames for causing cancer were made by god. He chose to make asbestos and burning fuels cause cancer. He chose to make us susceptible to cancer. He chose to create pests that destroy our food, necessitating pesticides that also harm us. Is Casey just shockingly oblivious to this, or is he dishonest? It's one or the other, there are no other options.

    • @Bill-mq7wr
      @Bill-mq7wr 7 месяцев назад +2

      ever heard of literally the first 3 chapters of the bible tho

    • @sledzeppelin
      @sledzeppelin 7 месяцев назад +4

      @@Bill-mq7wr Yes, I have heard of the first three chapters of the Bible. And? What’s your point?

  • @carlose4314
    @carlose4314 7 месяцев назад +26

    Pollution is a good analogy for sin. The consequences of sin are not isolated to the individual, they affect other people. A murder affects not just the victim who was killed and the murderer, but also the family of the victim. The Norfolk Southern accident not only affected the train or the town but the whole watershed. When Adam and Eve ate from the tree, it not only affected them by them being kicked out from the garden, but their children as well.

    • @rodriguezelfeliz4623
      @rodriguezelfeliz4623 7 месяцев назад +3

      And does that seem fair to you? What kind of perfect creation allows innocent kids to suffer for the sins of some wealthy old dudes that run the industry?

    • @carlose4314
      @carlose4314 7 месяцев назад

      @@rodriguezelfeliz4623 Sin was brought into the world by Adam and Eve.

    • @rodriguezelfeliz4623
      @rodriguezelfeliz4623 7 месяцев назад

      @@carlose4314 so you believe that the account of genesis is literal? Where Adam and Eve real and the first human beings to exist? How do you reconcile this with what science says about the origins and evolution of the human species?
      And if everything bad in this world was becausd of Adam and Eve, how do you explain all of the death and suffering that can be seen in the fossil record for millions of years... way before humans existed?
      Also, why does sin have to affect innocent people? Why couldn't an all powerful god set up a world with different rules? a world were sin does not harm innocent people... just the sinner? Do you honestly think that it's ok to punish kids for the sins of their parents? Should we send kids of criminals to prisons? Should we hold grudges against the kids of those who harm us?... because god apparently does

    • @thesilenttreatment6837
      @thesilenttreatment6837 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@rodriguezelfeliz4623it's not fair. That's the point.

    • @cnault3244
      @cnault3244 7 месяцев назад +2

      Can you explain why homosexuality should be considered a sin?

  • @emmamcclellan8272
    @emmamcclellan8272 7 месяцев назад +25

    I've thought about how so much suffering is caused by human evils (war, pollution, etc.) When we witness human suffering that feels unjust, like childhood cancer, we ask "Why would a good God allow this? If I was God, I wouldn't." There have always been natural disasters that cause suffering, even before fossil fuels & climate change. We do have to grapple with the fact that God allows great suffering beyond mere consequences of human evil. Unless we see every natural disaster, even those of the past, as God punishing humanity for their sin.

    • @OldMotherLogo
      @OldMotherLogo 7 месяцев назад +2

      Let’s not forget animal suffering due to disease and natural causes. If God is all powerful, then God allows innocent animals, who we are told cannot sin, to suffer.

    • @michaelabbott9080
      @michaelabbott9080 6 месяцев назад +2

      Sin that he invented...

  • @Emcron
    @Emcron 7 месяцев назад +51

    as a Catholic doctor, I heartily agree.

    • @darrylelam256
      @darrylelam256 7 месяцев назад

      Why are you a doctor? Is it because you want to help people because you care about them? Or do you just want to make money off them?

    • @jklinders
      @jklinders 7 месяцев назад +4

      Why be a doctor? After all according to doctrine people live and die at God's whim.

    • @Emcron
      @Emcron 7 месяцев назад

      @@jklinders go ask St Luke ;)

    • @sledzeppelin
      @sledzeppelin 7 месяцев назад +4

      Why did god make asbestos cause cancer and not tell us about it? To be funny?

    • @Emcron
      @Emcron 7 месяцев назад

      @@sledzeppelin lol, why did God create any number of other dangerous flora, fauna, or geological/meteorological dangers then? everything God makes is good, provided it remains in its intended function/place. it is human foolishness that exposes us to things we should stay away from.

  • @lydiad02
    @lydiad02 7 месяцев назад +28

    I'm studying environmental science at uni. We recently had a few lectures on the these forever chemicals (PFAS) and microplastics - it was shocking to learn these are in everything. Thank you Fr Casey for raising awareness on this! I've also finished reading both Laudato Si and Laudate Deum in the past few weeks; Pope Francis is very clear on how our attitudes need to change!

    • @sledzeppelin
      @sledzeppelin 7 месяцев назад

      Why did god create these harmful chemicals and microplastics? Why did he make them harmful? Just for fun?

    • @robertortiz-wilson1588
      @robertortiz-wilson1588 4 месяца назад

      @@sledzeppelin Human agency uses made and uses them. Are you dehemodizing me? Stop being such a biggot Leaf person

    • @sledzeppelin
      @sledzeppelin 4 месяца назад

      @@robertortiz-wilson1588 Huh?

    • @robertortiz-wilson1588
      @robertortiz-wilson1588 4 месяца назад

      @@sledzeppelin (heheh)

    • @sledzeppelin
      @sledzeppelin 4 месяца назад

      @@robertortiz-wilson1588 Are you insane?

  • @ronotju1637
    @ronotju1637 7 месяцев назад +19

    One thing I didn't hear you say or imply, but I do think is essential to the video. Do you believe that EVERY illness is caused by human activity? And if we take it one more step further, do you believe that EVERY injust suffering is caused by human activity?

    • @rodriguezelfeliz4623
      @rodriguezelfeliz4623 7 месяцев назад

      Yeah, his argument is kind of dumb. We know for a fact that death and disease had existed for as long as life has existed... waaaay before humans ever existed. No wonder bad things happen to us... they happen to every single species that exists and has ever existed!

    • @OldMotherLogo
      @OldMotherLogo 7 месяцев назад +2

      For example: suffering caused by natural disasters or animal suffering that exists in the natural world?

    • @Julian0101
      @Julian0101 7 месяцев назад +3

      He probably doesnt, but he will never engage in that point, because focusing in 'human generated suffering' is a known sidestep for the simple question of 'why does *any* suffering exists with an omnibenevolent god?'

  • @richardsasso8043
    @richardsasso8043 7 месяцев назад +9

    Cancer has existed since antiquity. It has many causes, some of which are viruses - which no person created. Some are genetic.
    And often cancer in these arguments is short-hand for all the immensely painful health problems that no one is responsible for wrecking innocent people’s lives. I could listen a dozen from sudden infant death syndrome to Alzheimer’s.
    We need to think more deeply about what omnipotence might really mean.

  • @meaper960
    @meaper960 7 месяцев назад +6

    What a poor argument for a loving and all powerful god. How can you not see that this doesn't make any sense?

  • @stormythelowcountrykitty7147
    @stormythelowcountrykitty7147 7 месяцев назад +18

    This is my second comment. I could not get this video out of my mind. So we blame the 5 yo’s cancer on … the parents? The 5 yo? Society? No this is really really wrong and deeply troubling. Candidly this video has shaken my faith. 😢

    • @donut9719
      @donut9719 7 месяцев назад

      On the ones poisoning our food with pesticides... on the fact so many producers pump everyday products with these harmful chemicals... on the fact that, for adults, personal decision making with diet and exercise plays a role. Maybe we should stop looking for people to blame, and instead look for ways to prevent. I think that's really the takeaway we should have from this video.🙏

    • @NeshaCora
      @NeshaCora 7 месяцев назад

      please do not let the words of ONE priest on youtube shake your faith! fr casey is not God! God loves you and His truth never changes. go to Him, tell Him your troubles, cry out to Him. He waits for you!

    • @rodriguezelfeliz4623
      @rodriguezelfeliz4623 7 месяцев назад +4

      ​@@donut9719and the 5 year old kid has to pay for their mistakes because...?

    • @OldMotherLogo
      @OldMotherLogo 7 месяцев назад +6

      Cancer existed before the use of these chemicals and exists in animals in the wild. This video *should* shake your faith. God is claimed to be all powerful and created everything yet somehow is not responsible for disease and natural disaster that affect not just innocent, God-fearing Christians but animals who we are told cannot sin. God gets all the credit when things go the way we want but none of the blame when they don’t. What’s wrong with that picture?

  • @michaelmacleod6517
    @michaelmacleod6517 7 месяцев назад +32

    I recently lost a good friend to Cancer. He was battling it his whole entire life. When he was a baby. He battled it about 8 or 9 times throughtout his life and YET he still kept fighting. His body would replicate tumor after tumor and infect major areas of his body. It was sad and shocking what cancer does to a person, just eating away at you but yet my friend preservered and stood strong to his faith.
    To this day I still wonder, if it were my child...would it be more humane to let that child go or hopefully cure him in the hopes of my child's cancer not returning? Of having him or her live their life with the constant shadow of cancer returning to hant them?
    In my eyes, my friend became the modern Job. He was terminal from his first diagnosis but yet he lived a life that was full, meaningful, and with abundance. He had 51 great years on this planet and he'll still be loved as he is remembered.
    God isn't at fault for cancer. Cancer itself is a biological mystery. I wouldn't even wish it on my worst foe.

    • @darrylelam256
      @darrylelam256 7 месяцев назад +4

      "I wouldn't even wish it on my worst foe." Yet your god doesn't put a stop to it.

    • @sledzeppelin
      @sledzeppelin 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@darrylelam256 How do people not see this?! This god described in the christian bible as omniscient, omnipotent, and omnibenevolent, is only two of those things, maximum (and I'd argue none). Just mindlessly repeating "mysterious ways" doesn't cut it. If he's all-powerful and childhood cancer exists, then he sure as hell ain't good.

    • @darrylelam256
      @darrylelam256 7 месяцев назад +2

      @sledzeppelin I know some pretty heartless people who are morality better then this god they claim is morality prefect.

    • @sledzeppelin
      @sledzeppelin 7 месяцев назад +1

      Job is the guy god tormented just to do it, right? For his amusement? Just to show he could? That’s the story, right? Quite a good loving god you have there.

    • @michaelmacleod6517
      @michaelmacleod6517 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@sledzeppelin You both are missing the point...by a WIDE margin. Let's see any of you actually handle tradegy after tragedy in your own lives and still be able to walk with your heads upright. Let's see anyone (for that matter) go through battle after battle after battle and NOT want to trhrow in the proverbial towel.
      Whether the story of Job is real or not, even if it's true. What would any of you do in his place? Chances are you'd be down on your own knees begging for any deity to make the pain and suffering cease...even for five minutes.
      Im certain if any of you had cancer, your views might change. Ever actually talk to someone in the midst of their battle? They preservere and endure. It's not just willpower alone. Hope and faith in whatever count for something. SOmetimes they survive and sometimes they don't. But their piece of mind? Yeah, I wouldn't try to take that away from anyone.
      But you had better...hope...it never happens to you or any of yours.

  • @yyun006
    @yyun006 7 месяцев назад +7

    Hmm… people just need to accept the fact that people die… no need to victim blaming

  • @Ghytiees
    @Ghytiees 7 месяцев назад +28

    This explains a good chunk of cancer cases but not all. There are also some newer studies that have concluded some cancers are straight up "bad luck." NPR and John Hopkins have some articles about this. Many cancers and probably most rise from many things we put into the environment, but not an insignificant amount have been concluded to be literally "bad luck."

    • @savedawretch
      @savedawretch 7 месяцев назад +1

      That likely just means they didn't look hard enough. Some company used too much fertilizer on a food, or too much flame retardant on a new piece of furniture, or they didn't record every single item ever purchased at the dollar store.

    • @Ghytiees
      @Ghytiees 7 месяцев назад +7

      @@savedawretch Cancer is naturally occurring. Although in our particular society the rate is probably higher than it would be in the natural world due to factors such as abundant chemicals and longer lifespans.

    • @OldMotherLogo
      @OldMotherLogo 7 месяцев назад

      Cancer is not only naturally occurring but has been known about since ancient times, long before pesticides and herbicides. It exists in animals in the wild as do hosts of other diseases. Humankind has never been without disease. Neither has the animal kingdom and, we are told, animals cannot sin so we can’t blame it on sin. If you believe your God created everything, then he created cancer and all other diseases both in humans, animals, and plants.

    • @hipstertrudy3658
      @hipstertrudy3658 7 месяцев назад

      What about the millions of people who died of cancer before “society” or modern pollutants? There are even dinosaur fossils that show bone cancer, so it can’t be attributed to human causation at the macro level- only ever in distinct cases for a subset of the population

    • @jklinders
      @jklinders 7 месяцев назад

      @@savedawretch Cancer is natural. Our immune systems knock cancer down all the time. What most call cancer is when the cancer cells win out.

  • @milodeescorpio3658
    @milodeescorpio3658 7 месяцев назад +8

    Still there are lots of types of cancer that are not caused by any external factors, but spontaneous anomalies in our bodies. What would you say about those cases?

  • @ChronoSoul
    @ChronoSoul 7 месяцев назад +6

    I think the problem with your counterargument is that even if we did cause all of these problems, you would think God's mercy would drive him to protect us from the consequences of our poor choice. God was willing to suffer and die to shield us from the consequences of our actions on our salvation. Why is He unwilling to stop us from hurting one another the way that a parent would break up a fight between their children?

    • @MD-il8dl
      @MD-il8dl 7 месяцев назад

      God didn't die to protect us from the consequences of our poor choices He died so we would be forgiven for our sins if we repent. If you commit a sin you still bear the consequences of that sin. Whether the consequences are external or internal.

    • @tomwitherby4348
      @tomwitherby4348 4 месяца назад

      Then free will would be taken away. I know it's hard to justify that argument when a child runs into the street after a ball and is struck and killed and then I say that it was her choice to run into the street without looking for traffic. But if all of us are to be given free will, which everyone would agree is a good thing, then God could not intervene in certain instances because that overrides the will of the individual. Then we become a people who will take reckless actions knowing that there will be no consequences if our choices lead into danger.

  • @Tykerkyiv
    @Tykerkyiv 7 месяцев назад +5

    As someone, who worked with kids with inborn cardiac problems, I found all your, father, arguments really float. There is no excuse for a child 8 months of age to come up to the operating table with fatal heart failure, especially with a genetically predisposed condition. Child cancer also can be caused by genetic predisposition, and even if not, we still speak of human life, ending in great suffering without own agency on the matter. Because usually children don't smoke and eat fried food for decades
    And I consider the relation of God to such instances a great mystery of faith and a case for the inability to comprehend God with the human mind, because there is simply no way to explain it in any adequate way
    As well, I'm not in any position to correct anyone, who blames God for this, just because. As well as you, father. Sometimes people have valid reasons to at least not love God, and there is nothing we, as a human, can do, to change it

    • @JiveDadson
      @JiveDadson 5 месяцев назад

      Have you considered that God might be a wicked fiction?

  • @6MillionPesoMan
    @6MillionPesoMan 7 месяцев назад +6

    The thing is, God could have made us in such a way that we could never get cancer or made cells in such a way that it could never occur. I fully agree that it's existence is on humanity, but to me that only is evidence to me that we have only ourselves to rely on/blame for all the good and bad in the world and that there is no higher power present, no matter what comfort it may offer us.

    • @MD-il8dl
      @MD-il8dl 7 месяцев назад +1

      Have you ever encountered a spoiled child/adult who bears no consequences, who has never struggled or worked for anything? How good is their character, attitude, or soul? With our fallen nature God has made us mortal for our own good. Just know there is a God, He just doesn't act like a genie who grants our every wish. His will is to save your soul from sin so He has to act like a loving parent and make the best choices for our soul even if it means allowing us to suffer the consequences of our actions. He loves you, is waiting for you to seek Him, and He wants you to spend eternity with Him. His will is always love and mercy.

  • @raxino774
    @raxino774 7 месяцев назад +5

    Yes, we can stop blaming God for cancer if religious people stop crediting God for the only good.

  • @3ggshe11s
    @3ggshe11s 7 месяцев назад +12

    This is a terrible take that amounts to little more than victim-blaming. Curiously, it actually skirts very close to Eastern ideas about karma. At least karma explains things like this in terms of a deserved punishment for past misdeeds in this life or a previous one. But Christianity doesn't have that excuse to fall back on. So how, then, do we explain all the people who get cancer through no fault of their own (i.e., just random mutations, nothing to do with life choices)? What about innocent children who suffer terribly from painful cancers? I think it's a bit disingenuous to try to frame the argument as people "blaming God for cancer," because that's not really the issue. The issue is that a whole lot of people are left to wonder why an all-powerful and all-loving God does nothing to prevent it in the first place.
    And I have to add that if you see a grieving family trying to cope with the sickness and death of a loved one, and your reaction is to get annoyed, you may need to work on your empathy skills.

    • @ratwulfviereck7015
      @ratwulfviereck7015 7 месяцев назад

      100% agree. On the other hand as a Buddhist and former catholic, I would like to point out that Karma law is not punishment at all. It is just cause effect of phenomena.

    • @3ggshe11s
      @3ggshe11s 7 месяцев назад +1

      Right, you're simply reaping what you sow, whether it was something in this life or another one.

  • @jacquespeuchaud7790
    @jacquespeuchaud7790 7 месяцев назад +5

    Ok but what about things like tragic earthquakes those are entirely natural and cause great human suffering

  • @willsmom93
    @willsmom93 7 месяцев назад +4

    How do tobacco and alcohol impact the rate of cancer in children? Just asking.

  • @MrSymon68
    @MrSymon68 7 месяцев назад +11

    If I were at a BBQ and saw a toddler stumbling towards an open fire pit, I would do anything and everything within my power to stop that child from harming themselves. I want to believe that God would too. If God truly loves us all then the pain he must feel when he watches that child fall into that fire pit must be so immense and utterly heartbreaking, it is beyond my comprehension and I feel ignorant for not understanding why he could and would allow such things to happen.

    • @daffidavit
      @daffidavit 7 месяцев назад +2

      In the beginning we had it made. But our original parents chose to disobey. Now we all have to suffer the consequences of life. But there is hope. God sent his ONLY Son because he so loved the world.

    • @stevenhorr
      @stevenhorr 7 месяцев назад +5

      ​@daffidavit Had it made? Our ancestors at one time were primarily a prey species and would die from a simple infection.

    • @MD-il8dl
      @MD-il8dl 7 месяцев назад +4

      God allows us to use our free will so that is the main cause of our suffering. Also, He often sees that there is a greater good that comes from our suffering. If God was to prevent our suffering all the time we would be like spoiled children who would bear no consequences for their actions and might cause our soul to rot. Third, God created us to have eternal life. Jesus died so that we would be saved from sin, He didn't die for us to have a perfect life. So we often have to suffer for the good of our soul because God loves us so much that He wants us with Him for eternity despite our sin.

    • @daffidavit
      @daffidavit 7 месяцев назад

      That was after the fall. @@stevenhorr

    • @SoniChris98
      @SoniChris98 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@MD-il8dl That's "as it is today". Why not make a world where suffering doesn't exist AND no one becomes spoiled and no soul rots?

  • @philosophicaltheist4139
    @philosophicaltheist4139 7 месяцев назад +11

    This is one of the worst responses to the problem of suffering/evil I've ever seen by someone who has years of pastoral experience and at least a MDiv.
    Fr. Casey makes no distinctions between primary and secondary causes. God is the primary cause of all existence and the greedy actions that increase the likelihood of cancers are secondary causes. If God is a different sort of cause than human action, then both can be interrogated on the question of suffering. These are two different types of questions: Why does the universe allow for the suffering of innocents at all? Why did people in the past and present do things that increased the rate of suffering? Finding blame with greedy people does not erase the first question about the nature of reality itself. Fr. Casey should know better.
    I think it is also an area where our celibate clergy have some need to exercise humility. Not ever having mothered or fathered a child, they are only looking at horrible diseases manifesting in children from theoretical and at best extended family perspectives. Those are not bad perspectives, but what practical wisdom does Fr. Casey have for a parent trying to come to grips with an innocent child suffering? He doesn't. Clergy should probably remain silent in those areas instead of talking about asbestos mining and insulation. To be blunt, that sort of answer is as bad as "God never gives you more than you can handle." A silent response could look like, "I have no words, but I am here to listen." That solidarity with the suffering goes much further than trying to parse out blame for preventable illnesses (some percentage of blame is unassignable because genes do some random bad things at times or cells migrate improperly in utero at times). Those sufferings are every bit as real as the "human-inflicted" sufferings Casey seems to be discounting." Also, I think it is okay to wonder why reality is the way that it is. It is quite human to ask those primary cause-type questions about suffering. Fr. Casey would be ill-advised to short circuit that portion of grieving.

  • @alas.i.am.
    @alas.i.am. 7 месяцев назад +4

    why would a 5 year old suffer from cancer because of factors it is not capable of even understanding, rather than the people responsible for those factors?

    • @MD-il8dl
      @MD-il8dl 7 месяцев назад

      Because people responsible for those factors might not be exposed to those factors.

    • @rodriguezelfeliz4623
      @rodriguezelfeliz4623 7 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@MD-il8dland does that sound like a perfect creation and a just god to you?

    • @MD-il8dl
      @MD-il8dl 7 месяцев назад

      @@rodriguezelfeliz4623 We're not perfect and yes He's a just God. He gave us freewill and we misuse it. He gave us 10 commandments and people break them all the time, hurting others in the process. Through the ten commandments you can see who does God's will and who goes against His will.
      "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind. This is the greatest and the first commandment. And the second is like to this: Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments dependeth the whole law and the prophets.” (Matthew 22: 35-40)

    • @rodriguezelfeliz4623
      @rodriguezelfeliz4623 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@MD-il8dl yes we are not perfect, but why are the mechanics and laws that govern his "perfect" creation so prone to death, disease and suffering... man made or not? And how is it just that innocent little kids have to suffer and pay with their own lives for the mistakes of rich old men in suits who run industries? Couldn't an all powerful god find a way to give free will without having so much unjust suffering? Why not let people have free will and pay for their own mistakes themselves, without punishing innocent kids?
      Well, and that's all if you accept that we have free will (I suspect we do not tho)
      Also, why does his "perfect" creation have parasites that transmit malaria? Or diseases like tuberculosis which killed millions back in the day? What about loiasis worms (african eye worm, a parasite passed on to humans by deerflies, which cause blindness on their victims)? What about tetanus? Congenital disorders? Genetic syndromes? Cholera? Rabies? What about tsunamis, volcanoes, earthquakes?... the list goes on and on and on. Are they all man made as well?

    • @MD-il8dl
      @MD-il8dl 7 месяцев назад

      @@rodriguezelfeliz4623 Free will without real consequences is not free will. You say you suspect we don't have free will but if you didn't have free will you wouldn't be able to control your actions. You would be a robot with someone making decisions about every aspect of your life including your body movements. Just think about Kim Jong Un. Would you like a God who controls your every move and gives a false sense of free will. God is not a dictator. He gives you a choice, you can do good by following His commandments or you can choose evil. God created nature with it's laws according to our condition. Would you have liked an immortal Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini. You also forget about eternal life with God. There is a better life beyond death, our souls are eternal and suffering here is temporary another reason why God allows death and suffering.

  • @alphacause
    @alphacause 7 месяцев назад +20

    The problem of evil has never been fully addressed, despite many theologians endeavoring to address it through the formulation of elaborate theodicies. Sure, many evils are the culmination of human neglect and outright malfeasance, but wouldn't a loving entity, who is infinitely capable, do something to mitigate or eradicate the consequences of such neglect and malfeasance when it effects those who did not perpetrate such things? A child walks innocently down the street, a gang member drives by and shoots at his enemy and misses and hits the child instead. If I had the power to deflect the bullet I would. Why doesn't God? It makes no sense. Sparing the child the trauma and injury of being shot does not contravene anyone's free will. What greater good is served by the child's endangerment? By the way, I am speaking as a Catholic, not an atheist. I just don't have a good answer when confronted with this conundrum.

    • @msinvincible2000
      @msinvincible2000 7 месяцев назад +4

      Exactly! I've talked to many religious people, mostly catholic monks, nuns and priests, but also rabbis and muftis, yet not one has given me an ecplanation for this

    • @YaksoHD
      @YaksoHD 7 месяцев назад +4

      Here is what I have gotten from my own research brother, based on the innocent being affected by evil because of free will is what I’ll speak on. Does God will that the child be shoot/killed, no obviously, God does not will the death of anyone but for us to be able to chose Him we must have free will. With free will if God were to intervene every time a evil person does a evil action upon a innocent then that would be taking away the evil persons free will to do such evil. With free will we either can accept and follow God or reject Him. If God didn’t let us have the choice of evil then we wouldn’t have the choice to truly love him. You cannot love someone or something if that choice is forced upon you, so if we choose evil then God will not stop us or the actions that evil will bring because it would be affecting free will simply. And God does intervene when He is called upon, that’s why miracles exist it’s us relying on God to be able to do something we are incapable of doing. Usually this is with severe illness and things along that line. God can act in this world but for him to act and impede on the evil action of a shooter shooting and hitting a innocent then the person would never serve the consequence of that evil for God has already stopped it from happening but now that person will be held accountable at judgment for the evil they committed. Hope that clears up some of your confusion.

    • @DarkArcticTV
      @DarkArcticTV 7 месяцев назад +3

      Personally I prefer the soul building theodicy, but in defense of the free will defense one could argue that the reason why God doesn't intervene with our free will is because God is a God of truth and thus would create the most authentic world possible, aka one with teleological freedom. God cannot create a world where we freely choose the good all the time, that's a logical contradiction. We are co-actualizers with God in this world and evil is necessary if we are to be co-actualizers. Let me put it this way:
      So let’s group possible world’s into two categories: ones where God alone has free will and ones where others have free will. We’ll call these GF for God has free will and OF where others have free will.
      Now the concept of free Will entails that one makes choices they were not forced to make. This means they are actualized decisions. For that reason, in OF, God is not the only actualizer of that world. We are co-actualizers with God.
      So there is a world in which we all freely choose to do the good, but by definition it isn’t up to God to bring it about. We would have to cooperate with God to bring about that world, and if our current world is anything to go by, we won’t cooperate.
      So in short, God doesn’t bring about the world where everyone freely chooses to do the good because it would require the cooperation of the people of OF, and we won’t cooperate.

    • @alphacause
      @alphacause 7 месяцев назад +6

      @@YaksoHD In the scenario I described, the simple deflecting of the bullet away from the child does not curtail the perpetrator's free will. The gang member is still FREE to implement his homicidal intent on his enemy. By God intervening, it just eliminates the effect of that sin on an innocent party, who was in no way culpable of the circumstances leading up to the WILLFUL discharge of the gun. By your reasoning, anytime anyone seeks to prevent an injustice, it is stifling the free will of the perpetrator, and that is a greater sin than the crime being committed against the innocent!? Taking this to its logical conclusion, every injustice whether on a small scale or genocidal scale should be allowed to happen, because efforts to shelter the innocent against such crimes would be tantamount to the suppression of someone's volition. I am sorry, but I find that to be wholly unsatisfactory explanation regarding the problem of evil. It is also a justification for complacency in the face of immorality.

    • @alphacause
      @alphacause 7 месяцев назад +3

      @@DarkArcticTV I am just going to copy and paste my response to @YaksoHD , the commentor above you, because I think my response applies to your comment, as your reasoning his similar to @YaksoHD. :
      In the scenario I described, the simple deflecting of the bullet away from the child does not curtail the perpetrator's free will. The gang member is still FREE to implement his homicidal intent on his enemy. By God intervening, it just eliminates the effect of that sin on an innocent party (the child), who was in no way culpable of the circumstances leading up to the WILLFUL discharge of the gun. By your reasoning, anytime anyone seeks to prevent an injustice, it is stifling the free will of the perpetrator, and that is a greater sin than the crime being committed against the innocent!? Taking this to its logical conclusion, every injustice whether on a small scale or genocidal scale should be allowed to happen, because efforts to shelter the innocent against such crimes would be tantamount to the suppression of someone's volition. I am sorry, but I find that to be wholly unsatisfactory explanation regarding the problem of evil. It is also a justification for complacency in the face of immorality.

  • @SoniChris98
    @SoniChris98 7 месяцев назад +5

    How about the imperfections of human DNA polymerase and the cancer-causing mutations that it could cause?

  • @egodeosum
    @egodeosum 7 месяцев назад +15

    This is an interesting, and frankly rather flimsy, theodicy. No doubt human activity has caused a spread of carcinogens and we ought to take responsibility for that (though interestingly another explanation of the rates of cancers is just people not dying of other causes and living long enough to die of cancer), but cancers unrelated to pollutants do occur in nature , as do other horrific illnesses . The problem of cancer and other evils isn't a checkmate against claims of the existence of God or of his* love. In no way is the existence of natural processes which result in childhood leukemia disproof of God. But it certainly does seem to be a problem for those who do believe he exists. It's not particularly a problem for those who think the material world indifferent to our plans. Your message, and that of pope Francis, of recognising human responsibility is certainly worthy, but it does side step the issue.
    *question: Do you have a position on whether or not to capitalise the pronoun when referring to God?

    • @petemccutchen3266
      @petemccutchen3266 7 месяцев назад

      It does disprove the existence of a deity who satisfies the three omnis. Pediatric cancer is consistent with a deity who is indifferent to suffering or doesn’t care about, or a deity who is too weak to prevent it, or one who is simply ignorant about the world. But it’s not consistent with attributes ascribed to god by most religions. A sadist god, sure.

    • @Julian0101
      @Julian0101 7 месяцев назад +1

      The problem of evil is mainly a problem for an omni god (omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent), if someone beleives in a god who doesnt have one or more of those omnis, the problem of evil doesnt affect them.

    • @egodeosum
      @egodeosum 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@Julian0101 Okay sure. I thought given the context I didn't need to specify that I was discussing theodicy of the God of Abraham (besides capitalising the G).

    • @Julian0101
      @Julian0101 7 месяцев назад

      @@egodeosum My bad then :p

    • @egodeosum
      @egodeosum 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@Julian0101 no worries.

  • @Strongpoint_S
    @Strongpoint_S 7 месяцев назад +21

    1) We may have had less cancer in the past, but we always had it. And it was way more painful and deadly because we sinned more... or because we had no medicine
    2) Got still created the rules that certain chemicals increase the chance of cancer.

    • @reintaler6355
      @reintaler6355 7 месяцев назад +4

      these chemicals were never meant to be used by human beings, just like the tree of knowledge was

    • @biteme9486
      @biteme9486 7 месяцев назад

      Then why didn’t God say not to use those chemicals or else we’d get cancer? And how is it our fault Adam broke the rules?

    • @Strongpoint_S
      @Strongpoint_S 7 месяцев назад +7

      @@reintaler6355 so you admit that God intentionally created a system in which certain chemicals are meant to cause cancer, right? He is omnipotent, he could create any other system. He chose not to.

    • @reintaler6355
      @reintaler6355 7 месяцев назад

      @@Strongpoint_S No, they are not *meant* to cause (human) cancer because they were created to interact with other creatures that do not have this kind of concern. Your question is as logical as ''Black Africans were *meant* to settle in the Americas en masse since the 16th century.'' Why the hell would they, if not for extreme human failure?

    • @thedistrictman6410
      @thedistrictman6410 7 месяцев назад

      ​​@@Strongpoint_S most things which are harmful to us are not for a large variety of species (not the ones mentioned in the video obviously) or are chemical subproducts which in nature are in infinitely small amounts BUT that humans have chosen to make millions of times more present through their actions. I think it's time to stop thinking of God as someone which created a playground for us where to have fun in.

  • @CRWenger
    @CRWenger 7 месяцев назад +2

    If I build an aquarium and all the fish get sick and die I don't blame the fish, I blame myself. Cancer has been with us as long as we've been home sapiens, long before the first caveman to huddle around a fire.

  • @desperateambrose5373
    @desperateambrose5373 7 месяцев назад +7

    "Why didn't God save us from ourselves?!?!"

    • @ntmn8444
      @ntmn8444 7 месяцев назад

      Jesus: “Do I look like a joke to you??”

    • @isidoreaerys8745
      @isidoreaerys8745 7 месяцев назад

      @@ntmn8444yes

  • @jLjtremblay
    @jLjtremblay 7 месяцев назад +5

    As a Minnesotan, I’ve never blamed God for cancer... mosquitoes? Now, that’s another story! 😡Nice video! Thanks!

    • @rodriguezelfeliz4623
      @rodriguezelfeliz4623 7 месяцев назад +1

      And who created mosquitoes? (According to christians). Aren't mosquitoes part of the creation?

    • @sledzeppelin
      @sledzeppelin 7 месяцев назад

      Mosquitos have killed many, many, many people all over the world through malaria. Another gift from the all-powerful and all-good god!

  • @dobrien51
    @dobrien51 7 месяцев назад +8

    Your all powerful god could have just created a world in which cancer wasn’t possible no matter what we poor humans do.

    • @BreakingInTheHabit
      @BreakingInTheHabit  7 месяцев назад

      If he wanted people to live happy lives with no care. But God doesn’t put earthly happiness above all. He puts dependence on him higher than that. And empathy. And desire for heaven. Sometimes suffering brings us great meaning and purpose in life.

    • @dobrien51
      @dobrien51 7 месяцев назад +5

      @@BreakingInTheHabit So we suffer because he loves us.

    • @mikecattel
      @mikecattel 7 месяцев назад +6

      ​@@BreakingInTheHabit That's ridiculous. You seem to be saying we can't be happy without suffering cancer.
      Plenty of other ways to suffer, since that's what your god wants. Again, an all loving god would not give children cancer. Period. There is no good reason that you or your god could ever come up with to justify children dying of cancer. EVER. Your god could have made the human body incapable of getting cancer, lets say, under the age of 20.

    • @feedingravens
      @feedingravens 7 месяцев назад +4

      @@BreakingInTheHabit "He puts dependence on him higher than that" What an amazing admission.
      And it applies also to God's representatives on earth.
      It is NOT Free Will when you are dependent on someone.
      When you think a good role model is a mafia boss, "You are free to not do what I tell you - but then you are dead", be my guest.
      But God is worse, at least when you are killed by the mafia, it is over - but with God you will be tortured FOREVER.
      What you admit to here is that when you believe, then you will do ANYthing God tells you.
      When you do, the reward is eternal happiness in Heaven
      When you don't, the punishment is eternal torture in Hell.
      No wonder that christian have problems with condemning slavery, when you believe in the "love" and "eternal wrath" (over dozens of generation), slavery is like holidays.
      A classic eternal carrot and eternal stick.
      "suffering brings us great meaning and purpose in life" - so "How do I avoid being tortured forever?" is the meaning of life?
      That is pure bankruptcy.
      But empathy does not fit in your list. Empathy is the ability to think what others think and feel. And that must not be other humans, can be all kinds of other lifeforms. And other lifeforms have empathy, too. Do dogs believe in God to have empathy?
      When I assume empathy is an inherent characteristic of higher lifeforms, then I can assume the "Golden Rule of Empathy":
      "Treat others how you want to be treated". Also said (more or less) by Jesus, but also by countless other non-christian cultures.
      When you want that your errors are treated tolerantly, treat other's s errors tolerantly.
      When I want to be respected, treat others with respect.
      As I do not want to be exploited or manipulated, I can assume others don't want to be exploited or manipulated, so I should neither exploit or manipulate myself or allow others to exploit or manipulate me or others.
      I want to be happy, so make others happy.
      And as most people are happier when they are surrounded by happy people, that all comes rather naturally.
      No need for a supernatural all-powerful God.

      Does that always work? NO: We are good AND bad. As some things that simply happen because things happen are good and others are bad.
      Like sun is warm and nice to be outside, but dries out the land, and rain is wet and ugly, but waters the plants
      Nothing in the whole universe is ONLY good and NEVER bad and the other way around.
      Only God is postulated to be only good. And christians have to twist themselves into pandimensional pretzels to excuse the violations of this postulation in their own book.
      Why did God harden Pharaoh's heart multiple times (when Pharaoh wanted to let the Israelites go) until he could kill all the firstborn in Egypt? Including all the firstborn animals - what have they done wrong?

    • @fred_derf
      @fred_derf 7 месяцев назад +6

      @@dobrien51, writes _"So we suffer because he loves us."
      Just look at what you "made him do" -- says every abuser!

  • @christoffellner84
    @christoffellner84 7 месяцев назад +6

    Never blamed him for things like that. He knows it all, so all is here for a reason. Is it my task to see it?

    • @biteme9486
      @biteme9486 7 месяцев назад +5

      The true moral of Job is that God is willing to gamble on peoples lives to wins a bet against the devil

    • @russellmiles2861
      @russellmiles2861 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@ankereisenman4824except Job's god is evil. He kills Jobs wife and family. And then restores another wife and children: as if they are merely processions like his cattle and house. The same in Passover story: God kills the first born of the poorest slave in Egypt but Phereoh who is holding the Israelites captive he spares: just so he can exercise free will. What had the children done to deserve death.

    • @lukedeakin7124
      @lukedeakin7124 5 месяцев назад

      @@biteme9486 and won't even bring back your friends and family when he let's them die, he just gives you new ones

  • @heatherj6597
    @heatherj6597 7 месяцев назад +2

    Thank-you for addressing this topic. Upon friar review makes me laugh and makes my day brighter.

  • @stephanelarochelle2484
    @stephanelarochelle2484 7 месяцев назад +2

    Thank you Father Casey, someone needed to say this.

  • @tammymccoy1482
    @tammymccoy1482 7 месяцев назад +6

    I realize that the rates for cancer have gone up. But as a species we have always had cancer. Before horrific chemicals, smoking, etc.

    • @HeatherFordHutto
      @HeatherFordHutto 7 месяцев назад

      True, there haven't always, everywhere, been horrific chemicals. That said, humans have been breathing in the smoke from hearths for millenia; have drank and eaten from containers made with lead, mercury, nickel and other damaging metals for almost as long. We have, in fact, been exposing our bodies to carcinogens since the use of fire as a tool began.

    • @OldMotherLogo
      @OldMotherLogo 7 месяцев назад

      Cancer is more common the longer you live. Rising rates of cancer are partly a result of living longer.

    • @sledzeppelin
      @sledzeppelin 7 месяцев назад

      @@OldMotherLogo So that's not god's fault then?

  • @orktv4673
    @orktv4673 7 месяцев назад +2

    Does the Church actively promote solutions to these problems (which would amount to a great good), or are you merely drumming them up to deflect blame?

  • @sueco_r
    @sueco_r 7 месяцев назад +3

    You can push this to the next level and say that evil is caused directly by sin

  • @ananon5771
    @ananon5771 7 месяцев назад +16

    Extremely good points, i was expecting basic apologetics on the problem of evil, but got something so much better.
    Reminds me why i subbed even when im not religious.

    • @jaxsienplays9884
      @jaxsienplays9884 7 месяцев назад

      Thats dumb

    • @Julian0101
      @Julian0101 7 месяцев назад +1

      It was a basic apologetic point. It was nothing more than 'because free will' with sprinkles of irrelevant information about how pollution happens.

  • @EdKless
    @EdKless 7 месяцев назад +2

    And did any of those chemicals also prevent the deaths of others? Yes, asbestos when breathed in can cause cancer, but when deployed properly can prevent death. I usually agree with Father Casey, but he has missed the make on this one.

  • @sifilore9462
    @sifilore9462 7 месяцев назад +6

    As Blanche said in Golden Girls, "AIDS is not a bad person disease Rose! It is not God punishing people for their sins!" Same thing goes for cancer and the reason people contract or develop diseases r nothing more then serious cases of bad luck. As for blaming ourself for things like this or anything, well it's really painful. So painful that people don't wanna face, so blaming others is both easier and a coping mechanism.

    • @sledzeppelin
      @sledzeppelin 7 месяцев назад

      Correct! God didn't create AIDS to punish people for their sins. He just made it and all the other diseases and natural disasters and bacteria and parasites because he likes to see humans suffer and die, apparently.

  • @sandeshjha5906
    @sandeshjha5906 7 месяцев назад +2

    Title is true. Why should we blame a non existent being for problem that exists??

    • @MD-il8dl
      @MD-il8dl 7 месяцев назад

      Well God loves you and is waiting for you to seek Him. "The desire for God is written in the human heart, because man is created by God and for God, and God never ceases to draw man to himself." CCC Maybe if you truly believed He didn't exist you wouldn't be commenting about Him. Just truly seek Him don't reject God because He doesn't fit your idea of how God is supposed to act or be.

  • @abiecader
    @abiecader 7 месяцев назад +2

    Father Casey. The take away is we have free will as individuals and as a society.
    More importantly the crosses we bear brings us closer to Our Lord.
    I love how Sr. Briege McKenna says that when Ireland was poverty stricken they were closer to God.
    It’s through suffering that we are humbled and become closer to Our Lord.
    I lost my daughter who was 27 years old. Honestly her passing brought more people to Christ than her life on earth.
    I am more aware and pray more for souls in purgatory than before my daughter’s passing.
    I thank God that she was loaned to us and thank God greater good has come from her passing.

    • @sledzeppelin
      @sledzeppelin 7 месяцев назад

      Why doesn't your god let you be closer to him without requiring you suffer a lot first?

    • @abiecader
      @abiecader 7 месяцев назад

      Because of original sin. The punishment for sin is death… Jesus who was sinless died on the cross to save you and me from being damned eternally.
      I’ll use an example when you started school and had to study for exams was it fun? Or the sport you loved was it hard work? Does your body ache when you go to the gym? So why can’t you simply get fantastic biceps without having to punish yourself with the correct diet and lots of pump in the gym… not just random pump, but very specific… to get to the right muscles.
      Suffering on earth is nothing compared to eternal damnation. Our suffering is to help us grow closer to God. To be empathetic to our neighbours. I decided not to give you an academic response but a heart to heart one.
      Without struggling there is no reward.

    • @OldMotherLogo
      @OldMotherLogo 7 месяцев назад +1

      Exactly how, then, does this explain animal suffering? We’re told animals cannot sin yet they suffer from disease, accidents, natural disasters, starvation. They are ripped apart alive by predators. How does their suffering bring anyone closer to God? How does a child too young to understand God become closer to God through pain and suffering? The child dying from malnutrition or cancer? They are a pawn in God’s game to bring others closer to God? Surely your all powerful, all loving God could have devised a better plan than that.

    • @sledzeppelin
      @sledzeppelin 7 месяцев назад

      @@OldMotherLogo Yep! God made many animals REQUIRE the brutal killing of other animals for their own survival. What, for his amusement?

    • @abiecader
      @abiecader 7 месяцев назад

      Let’s start with children… have you heard of Carlos Acutis. Teenager died of cancer…, Maria Goretti gave up her life instead of being raped and her murderer in the process was f being canonised to sainthood.
      The suffering of animals are mainly our fault. We took away their natural habitat where killing was only allowed for survival no more no less.
      It does not matter who or what you are… God is LOVE. Gods permissive will allows the evil spirits to prowl around the world, in order for us to become virtuous and Holy.
      Our goal as humans are to be saints. Listen to Fr. Chad Ripperger, Fr. Chris Alar, Bishop Robert Barron all modern day theologians who has a wealth of experience to share.

  • @Secretsofsociety
    @Secretsofsociety 7 месяцев назад +12

    Considering how many people under 50 are dependent on pharma products, I think our problem is our food, social stresses, and environment.

    • @stevenhorr
      @stevenhorr 7 месяцев назад +1

      Well, at least people live to 50, now (thanks, in no small part, to medical advances and modern medicine).

    • @loganleroy8622
      @loganleroy8622 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@stevenhorr Well, the life expectancy in the middle ages if you made it to 25 years old was 50.7 years in Europe. So people lived to be old back then as well. The difference was many children and adolescents died along the way.

    • @Secretsofsociety
      @Secretsofsociety 7 месяцев назад

      @@stevenhorr I think that is partially true but not for the majority of the crap they push on people. They want health as a service like every other business so that is how they run it. Try being in Kaiser Permanente if you don't believe me. Never felt more like a number in my life. They also could not solve my stomach issues. Kept saying it was normal. Luckily a functional medicine doctor posted some stuff on youtube and the protocol was available without prescription or I would still be suffering. They also couldn't solve a psoriasis issue. Turns out just needed to change detergents but they told me I would need their "ointment" forever. Doctors also told me I would need glasses my whole life. never wore them don't need them. Also had bad depression. All my friends on meds do no better than I do. In fact I would argue worse. Keep running from your problems looking for a quick fix and you get trapped in this system.

    • @Secretsofsociety
      @Secretsofsociety 7 месяцев назад +3

      For the record a lot of people in history lived past 70 without even proper sanitation. Sanitation is probably the real reason we live longer.

    • @rachelbuckley4499
      @rachelbuckley4499 7 месяцев назад +1

      I can say my mental and emotional health are SIGNIFICANTLY better when I’m studying my Bible, praying and bettering my relationship with the Lord, and I do not think it is a coincidence. I need God like I need air.

  • @loganh2140
    @loganh2140 7 месяцев назад

    I was literally just exploring this concept this morning.

  • @bentoth9555
    @bentoth9555 7 месяцев назад +8

    I would agree with your point about forever chemicals and pollutants and car exhaust etc if cancer was a modern problem. It isn't. We have found fossilized hominid remains from well before modern chemistry, let alone any of that stuff, that show signs of cancer.

  • @neatPaper
    @neatPaper 7 месяцев назад

    with spooky season coming up, can you make a video on whether catholics can believe in ghosts/the paranormal?

  • @hipstertrudy3658
    @hipstertrudy3658 7 месяцев назад +2

    What does tobacco and poor diet have to do with an infant or toddler who has something like bone cancer? Something entirely outside of our control, that has existed long before society and pollution. I guess the argument is the millions of innocents who have to suffer until death might inspire future generations to attempt to alleviate this suffering?

  • @tyemaddog
    @tyemaddog 7 месяцев назад +2

    As a parent who has a 6 year old son diagnosed recently with cancer, you/this video jumps from us throughout our lifes ourselves caused, but bringing up kids having cancer? Thats a pretty big gap there missed.

  • @markcostello5120
    @markcostello5120 7 месяцев назад +7

    As an Atheist I don't blame a nonexistent being for cancer but I will point out the flaws in someone's thinking that an
    Omniscient- Knows all things and all possible things/events.
    Omnibenevolent- All loving and incapable of hating anything/anyone.
    Omnipresent- Exists in all places and all possible places and at all times.
    Omnipotent- So powerful as to be able to do any possible action.
    That's a QUAD OMNI god.
    SO IT CAN'T BE ALL THOSE THINGS AND BE CONSISTENT IN ALL THOSE THINGS WITHOUT VIOLATING EACH OF THOSE OMNI TRAITS AT SOME POINT.
    Have your god but at least allow him/her/it to have some flaws. IT'S ALREADY BLATANTLY OBVIOUS THAT YOUR GOD HAS PLENTY OF THEM.

  • @veemo8830
    @veemo8830 7 месяцев назад +4

    This video was too short to discuss a serious problem. You could have made the video more impactful by making it longer. The video itself isn’t awful by any means, but it could be better. I would also recommend putting sources for your evidence in the description.

  • @Lizzie236
    @Lizzie236 7 месяцев назад +3

    Diet plays a huge role in cancer

  • @paulcooper8818
    @paulcooper8818 7 месяцев назад +4

    I did not bother to comment on the video *_Let's Talk About the Eucharist_* , which is the worst magic trick ever.
    But in typical Christian double talk we are not supposed to blame almighty God for cancer, even though God blames us for something Adam and Eve did sooooo maaany yeeeears agoooooo.
    Get off your knees and take some time to think about why you believe what you believe and when you started believing it.
    Then think about if you had never heard about God until just today, would you believe such a story?????

  • @casper7981
    @casper7981 7 месяцев назад

    Im 47 y/o. Am I too old to be a friar and priest?

  • @imnon1660
    @imnon1660 7 месяцев назад +9

    God could make cancer not exist, but chooses not to. That's the end of the story for me.

    • @MrTournemire
      @MrTournemire 7 месяцев назад

      and you r absolutely right!

    • @BreakingInTheHabit
      @BreakingInTheHabit  7 месяцев назад +7

      God could also make sharp objects not exist. He could make rain not exist. He could made any number of things that cause human suffering not exist, but that’s missing the point. Human suffering is not the end all of our lives because this life is not the end all of our existence. Suffering can actually be the most important thing we ever experience when it allows us to be more dependent on God, grow in empathy for others, and focus on what really matters.

    • @biteme9486
      @biteme9486 7 месяцев назад +2

      “ Suffering can actually be the most important thing we ever experience when it allows us to be more dependent on God,”.
      I don’t believe you’re a bad person and I’ll defend you against anyone who thinks you are, but that sounds psychotic

    • @helens8977
      @helens8977 7 месяцев назад +4

      ​@BreakingInTheHabit Suffering can also be the worst thing people experience. My mother, when dying of cancer in a hospice would willingly have taken a pill to end it all - and she was a Christian. Last year my daughter took her own life because she could not bear her mental suffering. I fortunately am mentally and physically healthy but these experiences have done nothing to bring me closer to God.

    • @xavierribeiro2054
      @xavierribeiro2054 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@BreakingInTheHabitfinally you've answered the question. The point was not why do adults with unhealthy behaviours developed cancer, but why children who've done nothing wrong get it

  • @renferal5290
    @renferal5290 7 месяцев назад

    You are so spot on

  • @ev_green_
    @ev_green_ 7 месяцев назад +1

    Its also chemicals, at walmart, people that work in the back unboxing all the products get cancer a lot. I knew someone that used to work there, tap water too i would think

  • @gfepsh
    @gfepsh 4 месяца назад

    Thank you for this, something I rarely see people talking about. Personal responsibility for the physical things that happen to us has been washed away by secular and Christian thought alike. Our sin is not just in our personal thoughts but in our behavioral choices.

  • @DarkAngel-cj6sx
    @DarkAngel-cj6sx 7 месяцев назад +1

    I blamed God for genocide for so many years but later I understood it is not him especially that we have freewill

    • @OldMotherLogo
      @OldMotherLogo 7 месяцев назад

      You overlook the genocide that God commanded in the Old Testament? Multiple times? Or that an all powerful God allows genocide to exist? In spite of his promises in the Bible, God clearly does not protect his people (or the innocent) from genocide, neither does he answer prayers to be healed. How about animal suffering? Natural disasters? They have nothing to do with “free will.”

  • @boku5192
    @boku5192 7 месяцев назад

    This was so important to say

  • @changedwarrior
    @changedwarrior 7 месяцев назад +3

    The truth is that we don't *know* why God allows diseases, natural calamities, and human-induced suffering such as murder, genocide, etc. The human response falls into one of three categories: disbelief in the existence of God (or a benevolent, sentient god), rationalisation of why God allows these things to exist, or resentment towards God.
    If someone asked me this question, my answer is that I dont know. But I believe nonetheless. Faith does not necessitate complete understanding.
    Now, let's say there was a definitive answer to the question. Why do we think it would be an answer that would align with human logic? Why would the rationale of an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, eternal Intellect, which exists outside of time and space, align with the rationale and understanding of a vastly finite and constricted mind?
    But, at the end of the day, we are offered a choice. I don't think that arguing the point with determined atheists is fruitful because we simply don't know. Some will be fine with that, others won't. That's just the way it is.

    • @russellmiles2861
      @russellmiles2861 7 месяцев назад

      I felt that well put: we can't possibly know. There may not be any god. It is just our Faith is something we can choose.

  • @KountKristyl
    @KountKristyl 5 месяцев назад +1

    An interesting and educational video if nothing else, but counter argument: We might be the cause for a *higher* rate of Cancer, but it was still God who created it as a natural phenomenon.

  • @DJH316007
    @DJH316007 7 месяцев назад +5

    Reality is a great check mate against your fictional god. Grow up and acknowledge reality.

  • @lovaaaa2451
    @lovaaaa2451 7 месяцев назад +2

    You are the best father Casey

  • @coryotamendi9163
    @coryotamendi9163 7 месяцев назад +1

    I feel the best explanation is a very Catholic, one we don't know why. It's a mystery , the mystery of life, and the mystery of faith. If we are to say hold yourself accountable but not God this would be illogical. Everyone is accountable.

  • @jsb818
    @jsb818 7 месяцев назад +5

    Such bullshit. Forget about our own poor diet for a moment. If God actually has power, and if he actually cares about us, he can prevent BLAMELESS CHILDREN from getting cancer. If he doesn't do that, then by definition, either he isn't powerful, or he doesn't care to help. Or both.

  • @GrantQuinn1
    @GrantQuinn1 7 месяцев назад

    The occasional tough love/truth bomb video is good for your viewers Fr Casey.

  • @Spoutnik
    @Spoutnik 7 месяцев назад +3

    Higher risks of breast, ovarian and uterine cancers directly linked to nulliparity have been abundantly documented since 1713 and Dottore Bernardino Ramazzini's studies on occupational diseases, so much that breast cancer was called nun's disease. The American Cancer Society nowadays acknowleges that the risk is seven times higher for nuns and women who did not have children. No environmental alibi here, maybe just a tragic reading of Mark 8.35 "whoever loses their life for me and for the gospel will save it"?

    • @OldMotherLogo
      @OldMotherLogo 7 месяцев назад

      See? Father Casey is right. Those nuns brought it on themselves by not obeying God’s commandment to be fruitful and multiply.

    • @Spoutnik
      @Spoutnik 7 месяцев назад

      @@OldMotherLogo So did Jesus?

  • @reymilladatv
    @reymilladatv 7 месяцев назад

    God Bless You

  • @SenorCinema
    @SenorCinema 7 месяцев назад +2

    no because if god exists and loves us the he could save people from cancer if he wanted to. so its valid criticism

  • @drewaskins8377
    @drewaskins8377 7 месяцев назад +2

    Knowing Better made a really interesting point related to this in his climate change video. If you assume the Second Coming will happen in your generation, then there is no need to worry about fixing the environment. A lot of modern Christians just assume they can go about their lives as normal, and wait for God to fix the problem. That's not just short-sighted thinking, it's also self destructive.
    As the Books of Haggai and Zechariah remind us, we need to be the ones to start construction on the new world we want to see. While we have faith that God will guide us, we have our own responsibilities here. We can influence the planet as a community. It's time we worked as a global community to achieve better outcomes for the world over.

    • @isidoreaerys8745
      @isidoreaerys8745 7 месяцев назад

      The book of revelation is the most damaging spurge on humanity ever to afflict the the human mind. If the branches of Christianity which rejected its divinity had seized control of the religion, the world would be an unrecognizably better place.

  • @adanara81
    @adanara81 7 месяцев назад +3

    Some of the carcinogenics claims you are going for are at minimum controversial among scientists. Particularly those related to round up. Try to do a bit more research before scaring people. It is not even necesary for your argument.

  • @robertshindeliii
    @robertshindeliii 7 месяцев назад +2

    That's kind of an unfair ask, there could be a world without cancer. Cancer isn't something anyone chooses to have, especially children. God gets credit for the good and the bad, not just the good.

  • @TnOrchidguy
    @TnOrchidguy 7 месяцев назад

    Thank you, Father, thank you.

  • @MichaelJMetz
    @MichaelJMetz 7 месяцев назад

    Well spoken.

  • @TorqueBow
    @TorqueBow 7 месяцев назад +15

    I hope you understand that Cancer happens in otherwise extraordinarily healthy and God loving people.
    How do you account for those people, Father Casey?

    • @Mai2727
      @Mai2727 7 месяцев назад +10

      because they live in a polluted world, like he explained.

    • @YaksoHD
      @YaksoHD 7 месяцев назад +8

      God didn’t bring cancer into the world. God didn’t bring death into the world. Evil was brought into the world by us, by our own free will and it continues to flourish because of man’s free will.

    • @DarkArcticTV
      @DarkArcticTV 7 месяцев назад +2

      Well, there are a lot of great virtues that logically require evil to exist. Patience, courage, forgiveness, sacrifice, mercy, perseverance, endurance, etc. Presumably God would create a world with the greatest possible virtues and a lot of these great virtues require evil to exist in the world. I don't know if this is an emotionally satisfying answer or not though.

    • @userJohnSmith
      @userJohnSmith 7 месяцев назад +1

      We are supposed to die. In many ways cancer is the most merciful. It allows us to say goodbye to our lives ones. To face our demons and set our affairs in order.
      We've found ways to beat most of the other things that kill us suddenly.

    • @biteme9486
      @biteme9486 7 месяцев назад +4

      Why is dying of cancer necessary to do those things?

  • @Yarp426
    @Yarp426 7 месяцев назад +7

    I can't accept the argument that a loving god would have a hands off approach with this. The people that feel the brunt of poor environmental policy are the people least able to affect change. These are usually the same people without means of medical treatment for these ill effects. Meanwhile the people with the biggest carbon output are also the ones who can change policy, but choose not to, all while having access to the best medical care money can buy.

    • @Strongpoint_S
      @Strongpoint_S 7 месяцев назад +2

      Even if it is what we deserve... Even if accept the barbaric idea that children should be punished for the actions of their ancestors... Why should animals die of cancer? They get it too, they feel pain, and they suffer. Why can't they die peacefully?

    • @stevenhorr
      @stevenhorr 7 месяцев назад

      ​@Strongpoint_S What's 500 000 000 years of animal suffering, though, right? 😶

    • @Strongpoint_S
      @Strongpoint_S 7 месяцев назад

      @@stevenhorr Maybe the first animal ate a wrong... hm... bacterium and it is the result of their own original sin and free will!

  • @jonyivre4541
    @jonyivre4541 7 месяцев назад +1

    Not just for cancer. We are created free and responsible.

  • @amespointer
    @amespointer 7 месяцев назад +9

    This isn’t going to bring a single person closer to God. In fact it is going to make people think God is allowing a world to be so poisonous that we have no hope for avoiding a suffering death for our children or selves. I don’t think this came across the way you intended it too, and that’s ok. Think of it as a learning experience

    • @Mai2727
      @Mai2727 7 месяцев назад +1

      I think the point was to reflect and start being more mindful about our environment

    • @AallthewaytoZ2
      @AallthewaytoZ2 7 месяцев назад

      @amespointer Excellent comment.

    • @OldMotherLogo
      @OldMotherLogo 7 месяцев назад

      I think the point was to get an all powerful, all loving God off the hook and to put the blame on humans. And it did a miserably poor job of it.

  • @gingerdeer5570
    @gingerdeer5570 7 месяцев назад +1

    Unfortunately, people have had cancer for as long as we know it, and it's not only limited to humans, so it's hard to blame our lifestyle (it can drastically increase the risk though, it's true). I rather rely on the explanation that we can't see the big picture and what would become of the world, if no one could die prematurely. This doesn't change the fact that it is a terrible thing to happen and we should try to save lives as much as we can and help, comfort and support those in need, grief or illness.

  • @nukeplatine
    @nukeplatine 7 месяцев назад

    Unfortunately, it is the case that to deny the possibility of cancer is to deny cell growth. This does not absolve us from finding a definitive cure

  • @ludvigolson4278
    @ludvigolson4278 7 месяцев назад

    The number of children dying from cancer i decreasing due to advances in treatment, and infant mortality is much lower today than it was historically.

    • @Strongpoint_S
      @Strongpoint_S 7 месяцев назад

      No, it must be because we sin less! Medicine is unnatural, it uses all those weird chemicals not intended for human consumption... and tools made out of those tools. It can't be that it doesn't make things worse!

  • @crazytwitchy5650
    @crazytwitchy5650 7 месяцев назад +3

    If he could stop making so much cancer maybe I’ll stop asking. Or maybe just ask Issac I’m sure his mental faculties are fine after the voices told his dad to stab him.

  • @rethinkcps2116
    @rethinkcps2116 7 месяцев назад +2

    OK. Why does God allow freak accidents? A plane losing engines & crashing.
    Bridge full of cars collapsing.
    Mine failure with miners trapped...
    Lots of hard to grasp events...
    Blame bad engineers? Faulty aviation 'experts' who skipped inspections or ignored warning signs?

    • @feedingravens
      @feedingravens 7 месяцев назад

      Or take the tsunami in Indonesia, 100,000 dead. Were they all evil sinners? All the kids playing on the beach that drowned.
      My fun example is that AFTER Jesus saved us all, no one knew ( = went to hell) about that until the good news was spread - on human feet.
      It took 1450 years to reach America, and over 1700 years to reach Australia. And who came were NOT men of God, but people who wanted to conquer and maybe had a priest along that sanctioned when they slaughtered the natives.
      Not that these on these continents had ever heard about the Abrahamic God in the first place.

  • @gpanthony
    @gpanthony 7 месяцев назад +1

    Also, some additional food for thought, about $5.5 billion is spent each year on cancer research according to a quick Google search I just did, contrast that to about $49.2 billion spent on cosmetics each year. How different would our world be if these two numbers switched sides?

    • @russellmiles2861
      @russellmiles2861 7 месяцев назад

      Then again, the taxes from cosmetics provide the funds for the cancer research.

    • @gpanthony
      @gpanthony 7 месяцев назад +2

      @russellmiles2861 True, but I'm assuming those taxes are part of the $5.5 B spent on cancer research. Doesn't change the point that we spend almost 10 times more a year on looking nice than on curing disease.

    • @russellmiles2861
      @russellmiles2861 7 месяцев назад

      @@gpanthony yes, we spend much on things like gambling, nuclear armaments, trainers, alcohol and other drugs. I guess in a liberal democracy we have property rights and can spend money on what we choose. A lot of money for medical research comes from individual and corporate donations too.

    • @gpanthony
      @gpanthony 7 месяцев назад

      @russellmiles2861 And those donations definitely help, and we certainly can spend money on different things/ priorities, but I am supporting Fr. Casey's point that if we did want to cure cancer or make things in general better for everyone, we could do it if we had the will and wanted to put in the effort (especially instead of nursing the petty grudges and divisions that are rampant everywhere right now)

    • @russellmiles2861
      @russellmiles2861 7 месяцев назад

      @@gpanthony probably: but we all have different ideas of priorities. Eg a million children die each year from lack of clean water. We could resolve that for less than $5 billion. Next to nothing in economic terms.
      Why spend money on curing cancer (which is impossible) and would only have the effect of increasing average life expectancy by 15 months.
      It ought not be a high priority on medical research.
      In the USA you choose to have higher excess convid deaths by not closing churches. In Australia churches closed on their own occured.
      Brother Casey was apparently against closing churches... I would not see him as helpful about public health issues.

  • @thefadingmoonlight
    @thefadingmoonlight 7 месяцев назад +1

    Listening to this strengthened my hatred toward humanity

  • @TheChurchofBreadandCheese
    @TheChurchofBreadandCheese 7 месяцев назад +3

    I have a tumor now, 30 years old. At the end of the day God allows cancer for a reason, he foreknow and could have stopped cancer in this world but for some reason chose not too. On our part, well for my tumor it just grew despite being otherwise healthy so all I can do is say Lord thank you for cancer.

  • @outaview
    @outaview 7 месяцев назад

    Another great video, well put, and an awakening that it is up to us to make better choices in life. Thank you for this message.

    • @sledzeppelin
      @sledzeppelin 7 месяцев назад

      What about cancers that are genetic and happen through no fault of the victim?

  • @aldente131
    @aldente131 6 месяцев назад

    Thank you.

  • @princessc660
    @princessc660 7 месяцев назад

    Can you please address why the cannon law says you can as a girl marry at 14 and a boy at 16. The fact a 14 and 16 year old could marry anyone at any age in the church bothers me for example 14 and 24 year old could get married. At 14 we are fully mature yet and could die from child birth or get infections.

  • @HotEFinTrash
    @HotEFinTrash 7 месяцев назад

    I was on my way to hate watch this video and post a big NUH-UH~! But a minute in and I was like "okay you are actually talking about it the right way" lol. Though nothing against you or your channel. Big fan, been thinking about looking to moving from my spiritual journey to possibly join the Catholic church. I'll let you know ha

  • @captainobscurity491
    @captainobscurity491 7 месяцев назад +1

    Bold move lets see how it pays off

  • @AdmiralofU2
    @AdmiralofU2 7 месяцев назад

    Did Stephen Fry instigate blaming God for cancer?

  • @GregorHagedorn
    @GregorHagedorn 7 месяцев назад +1

    I agree about our responsibility, but there is a large part left outside of the human influence. This includes many cancers, but also earthquakes or tsunamis. And yes, we do work on reducing tsunami risks. Still, I do wonder why an all powerful and all good god created this aspect of the world. The best explanation I have is that, while from a human perspective god is as good as all powerful, god does have constraints on the creation of the universe of which our planet is one part.

    • @OldMotherLogo
      @OldMotherLogo 7 месяцев назад

      Or maybe God is a creation of the human imagination in an attempt to try to make sense of the world and assuage our fear of death?

  • @Ilyena
    @Ilyena 7 месяцев назад +3

    Nice dodge.
    How about answering the question?

  • @mnageh-bo1mm
    @mnageh-bo1mm 7 месяцев назад +1

    WTF ? what about it not actually existing as per not being possible ? didn't that cross ur mind for a second ... jesus wow

  • @aaronarroyoofficial
    @aaronarroyoofficial 7 месяцев назад

    Fr Casey is about the only catholic youtuber that I like and enjoy.