Edit: Okay, I’m so damn sick of people coming in here and getting upset about the numbers I used. I literally DO NOT CARE about what you think the numbers should be. So many people have been complaining about it “not being Canon” or “not being realistic”. I’ve seen comments saying the numbers should be lower, I’ve seen comments saying the numbers should be higher, I’ve seen people complaining about literally anything they can possibly complain about. *Just. Stop. It.* This is _NOT CANON,_ and _I NEVER WANTED IT TO BE CANON IN THE FIRST PLACE._ Everyone has a different damn opinion about it, so just suck it up and accept that my opinion is _different_ than yours. Geez. --- Idk, I just felt like redoing this. I’ve gotten a lot better since I initially made this, and I felt like I could give it a lot more than I originally did. It’s the second video I made that got real attention at the time and I was feeling nostalgic today lol. Also- you have NO IDEA how many people ‘complained’ about Sans running in the first video. Like, literally so many that it started to make me genuinely feel a bit offended. 1. I was mostly just copying the meme I saw at the time (I know better now) & 2. I genuinely believe that Sans can run if he was being serious or was just playing a game, which is what I had intended there. Just because he’s lazy doesn’t mean he’s completely _incapable_ of it. That being said, I did change it, and I do think it looks a lot better like this lol. But really. _Way_ too many people took that _way_ too seriously. I get it, I get it. It’s cursed, whatever, Idc. But there is such a thing as taking a joke too far and I do believe that one has been beaten to death. Okay, now for the main part of this comment- VeilVerse Lore Dump time baby! Most of this will repeat some information from previous lore dumps btw. Anyway- the first thing to mention is that this Multiverse doesn’t have a Player. I absolutely believe that Canon is entirely because of the Player, but they simply don’t have that kind of control in VeilVerse, so no one is influenced by them. Classic’s Universe has gone through thousands of RESETS, and Sans is hanging onto sanity by a thin thread. Sometimes he can handle it, but when too many Genocide runs happen at once, he tends to snap and start doing his own Genocide runs. He’s a bit like Dust, but he never went as far as him because Classic would never kill Papyrus or the Monster children. And Classic doesn’t stay like that forever either, he can typically calm down and come back to sanity so long as nothing sets him off again. Frisk is a perfectionist. After their first Pacifist run, they felt like they didn’t do enough, and that they could’ve done it _better._ So they started RESETTING over and over again. Frisk eventually got so used to RESETTING that they forgot how to live without it. But at the same time, they grew extremely frustrated because they never felt like they were doing enough. It eventually spiraled into them doing their first Genocide run. Afterwards, they realized they felt so much more relaxed because the frustration had been drained out. And yes, they are a little bit sociopathic because they also realized they didn’t care enough to not do it again. So they just occasionally do Genocide runs in order to relieve their frustration while they still try to get their impossible ‘Perfect Happy Ending’. Chara fucking hates humanity. They loathe their own species, and would do literally _anything_ to destroy them. So whenever they manage to take control from Frisk, they always do Genocide runs in order to get more powerful. Of course, humanity is kinda everywhere, so they never succeed and tend to die fairly early when they try. But that doesn’t stop them from trying again lol. When Flowey had control of the RESETS, he liked exploring things and discovering what would happen, no matter what he had to do to get there. Which resulted in a _lot_ of Genocide. Sans managed to stop him most of the time though, so Flowey eventually retreated to plan how to get around him. But then Frisk fell and took control before he could. After the first True Pacifist run, Flowey regained the ability to feel emotions. But as the RESETS continued, he eventually realized just what he put Sans through and started hating the RESETS just as much as him. Flowey is quite apathetic again, but still has the ability to feel other things now. He occasionally teams up with Sans to stop Frisk and Chara, but that’s it. He doesn’t do Genocide anymore, so his violent episodes tend to be limited to just one or two people, unlike the others. These four idiots hate and love (platonically) each other at the same time. If they can manage to be non-violent, they actually really enjoy each other’s company and have a lot of fun together. But because of their poor coping mechanisms, eventually one of them does turn violent again and they start hating each other again. They have a very rocky and strange relationship lol. Now, some of you may have noticed Paps acting a bit suspicious. That’s actually because he has some _very_ specific concerns about why Sans’ personality changed like it had. And he’s kind of afraid that Sans would have a number above zero. So he wanted to find Sans to _hide_ him before others saw. Of course, it was a little too late lol. Papyrus is a good brother, and he doesn't want Sans to get in trouble, no matter how bad the things Sans had done are. When Paps is aware that Sans is killing people, he will literally go out of his way to make excuses for him so Sans doesn’t get caught. _(Btw, does anyone actually read these anymore? I like making them, so I will do it anyway, but I’m genuinely curious.)_
Nope. This was mostly just for fun and to see how much better I’ve gotten. Redoing the sequel would take a while and wouldn’t be satisfying at all. So this is the only part that’s being remade lol.
This is a very well thought out AU. I don't usually get into stuff like it because sometimes they kinda weird me out but wow, this is awesome. Nice work.
I enjoyed the fact there was some story and logic going into this. Considering the resets, it makes sense those three have such high counts whether they were aware or not (in Sans' case).
Not quite lol. She came pretty damn close, but those people fused together into the Amalgamates and those Amalgamates are still alive in her basement. She definitely felt like she killed them for a while, but in my AU, she eventually realized they were still alive, just in a different way.
Well, yeah, that’s one interpretation I’ve seen lol. IMO, Monsters who Fall Down lost all their Hope to keep living, so they are in the _process_ of dying, they just haven’t yet. Not really in between so much as they haven’t quite fully died yet. The Amalgamates have just been perpetually trapped in that cycle, so yeah- I guess they could be considered between life and death. But they still didn’t actually die, so they wouldn’t count on the numbers lol.
The aware ones explaining: Sans: “You see bro, Frisk once converted time using the *insert really confusing calculations here* “ Papyrus: “Wait what-“ Sans: “Welp, I’m going to Grilby’s” Papyrus: “SANS WAIT- And he’s gone…” Undyne: “HOW DARE DO THIS YOU PUNK-“ Frisk: “Don’t care + didn’t ask + you’re a fish + you only killed 2 out of the 6 six human souls + you can’t survive in Hotland + you’re a weeb” Undyne: *Gets in a corner and starts crying* Flowey: “Is this even surprising?” Alphys: “W-well-“ Flowey: “ shut it you depressed mf” Toriel: “Flowey!” Flowey: “Anyways, yo Frisk, wanna go to Grilby’s?” Frisk: “Sure”
Did Toriel not fight during the war? She should have a far higher kill count than that, she was only seriously against killing human CHILDREN after all.
Someone didn’t watch the full video lol. As it said in the video, Toriel was just a child at the time. Not only is this my own AU, I also personally head-canon that Toriel and Asgore didn’t participate in the war in Canon as well.
Wait so sans killed frisk over a thousand times yet frisk only killed a thousand people? How long did it take her to get down the sans fight god damn… you’d think you’d get it after 4 or 5 genocide runs
Part of it is from Sans’ fights with Frisk , Chara, and Flowey. But this also takes place in my own personal AU, where a _lot_ of RESETS have gone by. Sans is hanging onto sanity by a very thin thread and occasionally delves into Dust!Sans territory, although not too often. Sorry if you were hoping for a more Canon response, but I just really enjoy the darker versions of Characters. It’s why I love the AU’s so much lol.
@@gcreatorkai So if kills carry over with RESETs, how come Undyne only has two? There are arguments in favor of Papyrus, Alphys, and Toriel... But Undyne?
This isn’t really their genuine kill count, it’s more like what they _think_ their kill count is. I certainly could have made this video with their actual, true kill count- but it would have made a video very different than what I wanted to do, so I did this instead. Sure, it would have been entertaining to see their reactions to what their real numbers are, but that wasn’t the video I wanted to make. I _wanted_ them to react to Sans, Frisk, & Flowey having absurd numbers, so that’s what I did. Maybe it doesn’t make perfect sense, but honestly who cares? It’s meant for entertainment, and I swear people take this shit way too seriously at times XD. _(srry for the long reply lol)_
Well, most of the Humans actually died before they ever got to Asgore. I think that’s true in Canon too, but I don’t know XD. I honestly didn’t really think about it. I know he has a higher number than everyone aside from the Aware, but I haven’t actually decided what that number would be. sry lol
If we are counting timelines Then toriel, Undyne, and possibly papyrus might have killed Frisk a couple of times, Undyne maybe being the highest Though if they were shown the true kill count, even they would question themselfs
If U Mean That Then U Count The Reset if u count the reset then sans kill over 500K player Flowey Near 700K With Omega and Asriel form and Player over 5M cuz undertale really Famous and It Was Have Alot Player Play i guess Game pass over 5 milion dowload or more
but uh- if sans has over 1k wouldnt all the others have around that also? like undyne? because sans never killed anyone exept the player saving and going back to fight him so the same could really be said about undyne. and flowey should have over billions since if you count asriels hyperdeath because he erases the timeline WHICH includes all the humans on earth. EDIT : just read that long ass essay you wrote but but the flowey thing still stands lmao- he should have over billions.
If we’re talking about my AU in particular, which this video is a part of, then definitely not. Toriel has not killed _anyone_ in my AU, not even Frisk in previous RESETS. If we’re talking about Canon, then no one actually knows for sure. It’s heavily speculated about because it’s never outright said. Some people think Toriel killed Patience (I think?) because Patience’s items are found in the Ruins. But I’m pretty sure most people actually believe Patience fell down a hole or something.
Well its only like 100 genosides not counting the people who died when the universe get erased which with humans is at least 8 billion.also if frisk kill count go across multiple players theres millions of people who have played undertale its not that shocking.
![Aware vs. Unaware [GLSB] {Undertale}](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/3JolUYx1TH4/mqdefault.jpg)
Edit: Okay, I’m so damn sick of people coming in here and getting upset about the numbers I used. I literally DO NOT CARE about what you think the numbers should be. So many people have been complaining about it “not being Canon” or “not being realistic”. I’ve seen comments saying the numbers should be lower, I’ve seen comments saying the numbers should be higher, I’ve seen people complaining about literally anything they can possibly complain about. *Just. Stop. It.* This is _NOT CANON,_ and _I NEVER WANTED IT TO BE CANON IN THE FIRST PLACE._ Everyone has a different damn opinion about it, so just suck it up and accept that my opinion is _different_ than yours. Geez.
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Idk, I just felt like redoing this. I’ve gotten a lot better since I initially made this, and I felt like I could give it a lot more than I originally did. It’s the second video I made that got real attention at the time and I was feeling nostalgic today lol.
Also- you have NO IDEA how many people ‘complained’ about Sans running in the first video.
Like, literally so many that it started to make me genuinely feel a bit offended. 1. I was mostly just copying the meme I saw at the time (I know better now) & 2. I genuinely believe that Sans can run if he was being serious or was just playing a game, which is what I had intended there.
Just because he’s lazy doesn’t mean he’s completely _incapable_ of it. That being said, I did change it, and I do think it looks a lot better like this lol.
But really. _Way_ too many people took that _way_ too seriously. I get it, I get it. It’s cursed, whatever, Idc. But there is such a thing as taking a joke too far and I do believe that one has been beaten to death.
Okay, now for the main part of this comment- VeilVerse Lore Dump time baby!
Most of this will repeat some information from previous lore dumps btw.
Anyway- the first thing to mention is that this Multiverse doesn’t have a Player. I absolutely believe that Canon is entirely because of the Player, but they simply don’t have that kind of control in VeilVerse, so no one is influenced by them.
Classic’s Universe has gone through thousands of RESETS, and Sans is hanging onto sanity by a thin thread. Sometimes he can handle it, but when too many Genocide runs happen at once, he tends to snap and start doing his own Genocide runs.
He’s a bit like Dust, but he never went as far as him because Classic would never kill Papyrus or the Monster children. And Classic doesn’t stay like that forever either, he can typically calm down and come back to sanity so long as nothing sets him off again.
Frisk is a perfectionist. After their first Pacifist run, they felt like they didn’t do enough, and that they could’ve done it _better._ So they started RESETTING over and over again. Frisk eventually got so used to RESETTING that they forgot how to live without it.
But at the same time, they grew extremely frustrated because they never felt like they were doing enough. It eventually spiraled into them doing their first Genocide run.
Afterwards, they realized they felt so much more relaxed because the frustration had been drained out. And yes, they are a little bit sociopathic because they also realized they didn’t care enough to not do it again. So they just occasionally do Genocide runs in order to relieve their frustration while they still try to get their impossible ‘Perfect Happy Ending’.
Chara fucking hates humanity. They loathe their own species, and would do literally _anything_ to destroy them. So whenever they manage to take control from Frisk, they always do Genocide runs in order to get more powerful. Of course, humanity is kinda everywhere, so they never succeed and tend to die fairly early when they try.
But that doesn’t stop them from trying again lol.
When Flowey had control of the RESETS, he liked exploring things and discovering what would happen, no matter what he had to do to get there. Which resulted in a _lot_ of Genocide. Sans managed to stop him most of the time though, so Flowey eventually retreated to plan how to get around him. But then Frisk fell and took control before he could.
After the first True Pacifist run, Flowey regained the ability to feel emotions. But as the RESETS continued, he eventually realized just what he put Sans through and started hating the RESETS just as much as him. Flowey is quite apathetic again, but still has the ability to feel other things now.
He occasionally teams up with Sans to stop Frisk and Chara, but that’s it. He doesn’t do Genocide anymore, so his violent episodes tend to be limited to just one or two people, unlike the others.
These four idiots hate and love (platonically) each other at the same time. If they can manage to be non-violent, they actually really enjoy each other’s company and have a lot of fun together. But because of their poor coping mechanisms, eventually one of them does turn violent again and they start hating each other again.
They have a very rocky and strange relationship lol.
Now, some of you may have noticed Paps acting a bit suspicious. That’s actually because he has some _very_ specific concerns about why Sans’ personality changed like it had. And he’s kind of afraid that Sans would have a number above zero. So he wanted to find Sans to _hide_ him before others saw.
Of course, it was a little too late lol.
Papyrus is a good brother, and he doesn't want Sans to get in trouble, no matter how bad the things Sans had done are. When Paps is aware that Sans is killing people, he will literally go out of his way to make excuses for him so Sans doesn’t get caught.
_(Btw, does anyone actually read these anymore? I like making them, so I will do it anyway, but I’m genuinely curious.)_
I love this.
are you gona do the secend part again ?
Nope. This was mostly just for fun and to see how much better I’ve gotten. Redoing the sequel would take a while and wouldn’t be satisfying at all. So this is the only part that’s being remade lol.
@@gcreatorkai ok now l need the fiend the secend half of this videos old wersion so l can whachit again
This is a very well thought out AU. I don't usually get into stuff like it because sometimes they kinda weird me out but wow, this is awesome. Nice work.
Sans: welp that secret is out now.
Frisk: *silence*
Flowey: I USED TO BE A GOD DEAL WITH IT OR DIE!!
Geez didn't expect this many likes
I was just imagining during that conversation, Sans was hiding in his room just like:
*OH SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T*
yea that is so true and also frisk is like that in my mind
I enjoyed the fact there was some story and logic going into this. Considering the resets, it makes sense those three have such high counts whether they were aware or not (in Sans' case).
Wait, didn’t Alphys kill like, 9 people?
Not quite lol. She came pretty damn close, but those people fused together into the Amalgamates and those Amalgamates are still alive in her basement. She definitely felt like she killed them for a while, but in my AU, she eventually realized they were still alive, just in a different way.
@@gcreatorkai Ah, thanks for clarifying that.
@@gcreatorkai Arent Amalgamates Technically "The Fallen Down?*
Who Technically Neither Alive Or Dead, Just Somewhere Between It
Well, yeah, that’s one interpretation I’ve seen lol. IMO, Monsters who Fall Down lost all their Hope to keep living, so they are in the _process_ of dying, they just haven’t yet. Not really in between so much as they haven’t quite fully died yet.
The Amalgamates have just been perpetually trapped in that cycle, so yeah- I guess they could be considered between life and death. But they still didn’t actually die, so they wouldn’t count on the numbers lol.
@@gcreatorkai Aaand she didnt kill them, humans did so i guess its wont count
The aware ones explaining:
Sans: “You see bro, Frisk once converted time using the *insert really confusing calculations here* “
Papyrus: “Wait what-“
Sans: “Welp, I’m going to Grilby’s”
Papyrus: “SANS WAIT- And he’s gone…”
Undyne: “HOW DARE DO THIS YOU PUNK-“
Frisk: “Don’t care + didn’t ask + you’re a fish + you only killed 2 out of the 6 six human souls + you can’t survive in Hotland + you’re a weeb”
Undyne: *Gets in a corner and starts crying*
Flowey: “Is this even surprising?”
Alphys: “W-well-“
Flowey: “ shut it you depressed mf”
Toriel: “Flowey!”
Flowey: “Anyways, yo Frisk, wanna go to Grilby’s?”
Frisk: “Sure”
Love this comment!!!
I actually laughed
I would LOVE to see this in a reaction video! Keep up the amazing work
Well shit. Never thought I’d come across you again because of the RUclips algorithm but here we are! I freaking missed your videos! 💚
Aftermath ?
Im gonna need a part 2 because this shit is good af
Did Toriel not fight during the war? She should have a far higher kill count than that, she was only seriously against killing human CHILDREN after all.
Someone didn’t watch the full video lol. As it said in the video, Toriel was just a child at the time. Not only is this my own AU, I also personally head-canon that Toriel and Asgore didn’t participate in the war in Canon as well.
Another addition to the sociopath sans library
That looks so amazing and good job! ✨✨✨
Awesome :0 💅😀
Alex(My OC):(Kill count:600+, Most were towards PLAYER)
Xela(My OC's Demon):(Kill count:Immeasurable(Multiverses Destroyed:100+)
Now sans isnt a 1 hit anymore 😂
Oo I like how you made papyrus aware in this!!
Please continue!
Mission successful it is no longer 699 likes you’re welcome and I can now die in peace
Wait so sans killed frisk over a thousand times yet frisk only killed a thousand people? How long did it take her to get down the sans fight god damn… you’d think you’d get it after 4 or 5 genocide runs
skill issues lmao.
This implies that none of those four killed Frisk in a playthrough
They're all like WOOOOO
legit went 'They totally killed each other' when I saw the number lmao-
Im pretty sure alphys also killed sm plp ngl-
They should have millions tho
Perfect that each of them represent the reset routes
WOW! The intro tweening (or smth similar) is actually amazing! good job on that, along with the video itself both are very good ^^
Thought that said body count for a second (love the video its beautiful ✨️)
Sans killed frisk multiple times, frisk killed monster’s multiple times, flowey…..he prob just likes killing
Killed each other over and over again man 🙃
Damn either frisk sucked at fighting sans or they just did many genocide routes
Sans kill count :half flowey and half frisk
True
cap asf. flowey is in the billions because of asriel.
Wait how does sans have over 1k kills
Part of it is from Sans’ fights with Frisk , Chara, and Flowey. But this also takes place in my own personal AU, where a _lot_ of RESETS have gone by. Sans is hanging onto sanity by a very thin thread and occasionally delves into Dust!Sans territory, although not too often.
Sorry if you were hoping for a more Canon response, but I just really enjoy the darker versions of Characters. It’s why I love the AU’s so much lol.
every single genocide player that has died to sans goes into that kill count
@@gcreatorkai So if kills carry over with RESETs, how come Undyne only has two? There are arguments in favor of Papyrus, Alphys, and Toriel... But Undyne?
This isn’t really their genuine kill count, it’s more like what they _think_ their kill count is. I certainly could have made this video with their actual, true kill count- but it would have made a video very different than what I wanted to do, so I did this instead.
Sure, it would have been entertaining to see their reactions to what their real numbers are, but that wasn’t the video I wanted to make. I _wanted_ them to react to Sans, Frisk, & Flowey having absurd numbers, so that’s what I did.
Maybe it doesn’t make perfect sense, but honestly who cares? It’s meant for entertainment, and I swear people take this shit way too seriously at times XD.
_(srry for the long reply lol)_
Didnt toriel kill some kids accidentally since we find their stuff in the ruins?
Funilly Enough Sans kills are mostly Frisk.
Is asgore in this au kill count still 6
Well, most of the Humans actually died before they ever got to Asgore. I think that’s true in Canon too, but I don’t know XD. I honestly didn’t really think about it. I know he has a higher number than everyone aside from the Aware, but I haven’t actually decided what that number would be. sry lol
If you really think about it those 1k kills mostly come from those 3 killing eachother 💀 (minus frisk of course)
PART 3 PLZ
If we are counting timelines
Then toriel, Undyne, and possibly papyrus might have killed Frisk a couple of times, Undyne maybe being the highest
Though if they were shown the true kill count, even they would question themselfs
flowey should have billions lmao because of asriel destroying the timline which includes humans.
If U Mean That Then U Count The Reset if u count the reset then sans kill over 500K player Flowey Near 700K With Omega and Asriel form and Player over 5M cuz undertale really Famous and It Was Have Alot Player Play i guess Game pass over 5 milion dowload or more
but uh- if sans has over 1k wouldnt all the others have around that also? like undyne? because sans never killed anyone exept the player saving and going back to fight him so the same could really be said about undyne. and flowey should have over billions since if you count asriels hyperdeath because he erases the timeline WHICH includes all the humans on earth. EDIT : just read that long ass essay you wrote but but the flowey thing still stands lmao- he should have over billions.
I read something about one of the fallen children being killed by toriel is it true ?
If we’re talking about my AU in particular, which this video is a part of, then definitely not. Toriel has not killed _anyone_ in my AU, not even Frisk in previous RESETS.
If we’re talking about Canon, then no one actually knows for sure. It’s heavily speculated about because it’s never outright said. Some people think Toriel killed Patience (I think?) because Patience’s items are found in the Ruins. But I’m pretty sure most people actually believe Patience fell down a hole or something.
Sans killed frisk over probably more than a million times
Frisk: -_-
BRUH
Frisk must have done a lot of Genoside roughs because there arent even around 130 monsters in the underground
Well its only like 100 genosides not counting the people who died when the universe get erased which with humans is at least 8 billion.also if frisk kill count go across multiple players theres millions of people who have played undertale its not that shocking.
didn't toriel kill in some way patience soul kid
I thought Toriel burned kindness to death
Hay so I just started reading your lore dumps and I think I subconsciously copied your au sorry.
this.
sanspbs has 1m+ because of the amont of players who suck at the game
How did Flowey got 1k kills?