Great series, very informative. What did we learn? 2 things :A - there are products that work just as well or better than a SnS... B - don’t insult Meathead otherwise he will come at you like a Tasmanian devil.. haha seriously though I really enjoyed your series and comparison. Thank you for sharing.
Video doesn’t make any sense. He measures the temperature on the charcoal grate. Not the food grate. The baskets are open on the side. The SnS isn’t. Meaning that to achieve the same temperature on the charcoal grate the temperature of the food grate is probably going to be higher on the food grate with the SnS. So he puts significant disadvantage on the SnS. For a guy that talks bad about science he should have been more scientific about this.
Another good comparison vid Chris. Again, I do love my SNS however I don't use it like you are supposed to. I got into a bit of a spat with Dave about the water trough saying that I prefer to use a foil drip pan instead of the trough. I too ran a comparison a few months ago and found that the aluminum foil drip/water pan works better for me. For shorter cooks (when I smoke Italian sausages in 2 hrs or less) the aluminum foil drip/water pan works much better and keeps the temps more even. Additionally, when it comes to clean up, if the SNS water trough still has water in it while trying to dump old coals, you have a real mess on your hands. I also want to point out that on hotter cooks the water trough runs dry after 4 to 5 hours and have fun trying to add more water through the cooking grate without sloshing it onto the hot coals. All in all the SNS works for me but I could have saved about $50.00 if I had just purchased the two Weber charcoal baskets. Just my opinion and thank you for sending condolences to Justin (Baby Back Maniac) wishing his dad a full recovery. Cheers my friend and looking forward to more great cooking vids.
William Logan those are great points as well. Justin is a good guy, I wish he wouldn’t lump himself in with ABC. I understand that we all have a Gig. Nothing but Love for him and his dad. Thanks for the support and watching Brother
Oh Snap .... was curious about this so I checked out the SnS ... now I get it ... (smh) ... personally, I don't use any of those baskets type stuff ... just stack the brickets in a corner and if I want to add moisture I just get those disposable aluminum containers and stick it in the bottom next to the brickets .... simple simple simple and has *never* failed me ....
I actually have a merlin in my Amazon cart as we speak and told my wife that's what I wanted for Father's day. So glad you made this video! Saved me a 100 dollars. Thanks for shedding light on this.
I love how instead of admitting there was an inherent flaw with their product they came after you with science. Then went and updated their product with exactly what you were testing about.
MyMind LoL.And lowered the price. Yeah it’s a cheaper steel, but it is more affordable now. Watch my Q&A on Saturday I hit on this exact stuff. Thanks for the support and watching
I know this is a later reply but I was doing my research on the SNS Slow-n-Sear Version 1 vs Version 2. Then I came across your video, very informative. I think I'll save my money and keep using the SS baskets. Now that meat prices are rising (Covid-19 days) I will save the money to buy the meat! Thanks for your video, indisputable!
Awsome video saved me alot of money I just got a second webber kettle grill was going to get the Merlin and the drip n griddle. So glad they are on back order or I would have wasted alot of money.
I own a SNS and over the years I thought this thing isn’t really isn’t that special. I had better results with homemade expanded steel baskets or one original Weber basket. I always assumed it was me, my kingsford blue, my slightly leaky beat up kettle (Old faithful from 02) and can’t seem to keep my cooker going longer than 6 hours. I get slightly longer times paper clipping the lid shut and it really isn’t longer by much. I don’t hate it, more less I hate that I bought it. The bottom grate that “holds the coal in” had almost become detached from the poorly penetrated TIG welds. The ground down corners (that cut me BTW..should’ve saw it as a sign) and raw finish i received wasn’t worth in my opinion what I paid for it. But I have been using it non stop since I’ve obtained in a few years back since I gave away my baskets! It has helped smoke plenty of ribs, chicken and pork over the years so it’s earned it’s keep. Would I ever buy another one? No. Would I recommend one at this point? No. But I can’t get rid of it and it will get used until I see no use for it or I make or buy another basket. 🤙🏾
Screwloooose GOOD STUFF!! I just want people to know that they have options, that The SNS isn’t Magical, Revolutionary, or anything else that it gets tagged with. ITS A FREEKIN CHARCOAL BASKET!! If someone likes the SNS buy it, if not, Don’t. I appreciate you commenting and watching
I just bought a new Weber kettle and wae looking for some accessories for it. I got the Weber charcoal baskets and was seriously looking at buying the slow N Sear. After this video I'm sold I don't need the slow N Sear and the baskets will hold their own just fine! Thanks for the video! 👍👍
So, I think I told you about Justin offering me a free SNS and I turned it down. I went and bought the Grilla Q , I used it a lot at first, now I don't. You did the most fair comparison, and the SNS came out last.Can we please get back to cooking Meat!
The Root Boy Cooks ! Meat next week Brother, I can’t wait. No, you didn’t tell me that. Interesting, to say the least. You asked me about the Grilla Q in your comment section. Email me and we will discuss it. Thanks for the support and watching Brother
I’ve had about every grill and smoker made and now I have a Weber 22” Master Touch with the baskets for the very reason he just proved. The versatility is just amazing.
I agree the S/S is not a necessary piece of equipment . A fuse method with out even charcoal baskets works well . I used the snake method for a long time . However I like the S/S for convenience . It makes clean up a breeze ( after BBQ ) . The water column does not sit under the meat therefore , the foil under the meat collects the drippings which, after cooling down congeal and I simply throw the foil away . The remaining water in the column , I can dump out on the ground . No messy greasy water to poor into a container-- as when I use to use a drip /water pan under the meat . Its a convenience thing for me and I like it .
Awesome vid cut through the marketing bull and prove your theory this channel will blow up for sure, do knives different brand of BBQs same type different price points, BBQ cutlery , different branded charcoal etc the limits are endless I wish you the best of luck never loose honesty or the science and it's a winner...
I bought the SNS for overnight brisket cooks. I wasn't able to get 8 hours or steady temps of 225-250 degrees. Other comments suggested my kettle had air leaks.I owned 3 kettles at the time and got the same results. The water trough is a pain to keep clean and it warped after a few cooks. Personally, I hate buying aluminum pans for water so the SNS wasn't a total waste. I love it to reverse sear and dual zone high temp cooks. Long story less long, when youtubers you subscribe to post a paid video stating how great a pruduct is find videos from guys who 1.) paid for their own product and 2.) aren't trying to become a" youtube star." There's a lot of $ in youtube and its a job to some folks. Great video btw!
I bought a SnS for reverse sear and dual zone temp cooks as well. I got a Kamado so I don't need the SnS for slow cooks. I personally feel it is a nice product to use. Putting two small charcoal baskets together onto a couple of bricks is not for me.
Lenny G BBQ You won’t get an argument out of me on that. If you like the SNS that’s cool. The small charcoal baskets are very efficient. I was responding to some people who were saying that you couldn’t sear with the small ones, The SNS is well constructed, I have few problems with it, mostly the Bulkiness of it, and the unsanitary Water trough, and most people water trough warps after awhile, not cool. Thanks for watching and the comment
Warping doesn't bother me (as long as it doesn't break). But, apparently this issue has been resolved with SnS 2.0. However, I don't have one to confirm that. It would be interesting to know if someone has independently tested one to confirm that.
Gimmick on the phone 😭 Savage. I'm subscribed. My new Weber kettle will be here Wednesday in green. I'm hoping the baskets win because they're 15 bucks!
I think it would have been a closer comparison if you put the grates on top and the temp probe at grate level. The heat is rising and the water reservoir area is blocking direct heat to the probe compared to the Weber baskets. Just my .02 I think the SnS would have held over 200. I can testify to having 9 hours of 225 with a basket of charcoal. But I used the Weber baskets as well and could usually get about 7 hours then have to reload a bit not a big deal. Both are great products
Tabey Loccs There simply was not enough coals for it to continue. At best they were tied.. I am not impressed with theSNS. Thanks for watching and commenting
It got to temp quicker because there is an air gap (water reservoir) between the coles and the temp gauge and on the other one there is not. Having the sensor closer to hot coals would make it get to temp quicker. It's not rocket science.
jstar1000 Very Good. All things being equal the SNS didn’t have enough coals to last. Hey, I’m going Live this Saturday, I would like for you to be on. I’m going to be talking SNS and some health news associated with it. No hate only Facts. Thanks for watching and commenting
The extra opening on the sides of the baskets allow it to burn hotter and faster. This not a true apples to apples test. I personally like the control that the SNS gives me.
nice work. straight up longevity test. glad you pulled back the marketing veil on the slow n sear. i just wish you did this before i bought one, lol...
Awesome test. I bought stainless steel charcoal baskets. Works great. What I do to control my heat is kinda of dumb. I figure each piece of briquette is 25 F degrees. So I use 15 pieces and I add 5 to stay at 250.
rottvang That is actually really smart. I like that. I need to write that down. I think your correct. The 305 SS CHARCOAL BASKETS is all you honestly need. Great comment. Thanks for contributing
Im glad i found this video. I was wondering whats the rage on slow n sear. I achieve the same thing by banking the coals and putting up fire brick barrier. The price is not very justified either. So even if it was marginally better than chacoal baskets, probably still wouldn’t buy it
I just came across your video, appreciate the work! However, I think your approach is biased because you tried it without meat. If you were to retry this experiment again with meat, I guess that you would have to rotate meat much more often on the grill equipped with standard weber charcoal holder because it will burn on the closer side to heat, which will mean many more times of opening and closing lid. This will likely jeopardize your temp control and be more uncomfortable than the SNS. PS: I do not own either of these products :) I hope you do a re-test...
Hehehe. I wish we were neighbours. Our politics align and I love what you said in the beginning. You are not the only one suffering with these people. Love your work!!
I knew the slow and sear was overpriced but I liked the way it looked and functioned more than the weber baskets. I like that it is just one unit rather than two , I like the water reservoir and the size of it. thats all there is to it for me , spending $80 or $20 doesn't make a huge difference to me at all it is an insignificant amount of money either way so I got what I liked.
I was looking at buying a slow n sear but the price point seemed much too high especially compared to the weber baskets. This video provided some good info. Thanks.
Izy Alilin I have SNS VS GRILL STONE COMING OUT TODAY. It is really interesting. I am Premiering it at 10:30 EST. Thanks for the support and watching. I’m glad I could provide some informative for you.
Fun facts - 1- SNS look sexier in the kettle . 2 - SNS without using water not a fair test. 3 - Wired temp wire causes air gaps, use wireless for SNS. Final analysis, use both. GG
@@maximuscryptosx9424 I repeated the exact test that Dave Parrish did on Baby Back maniacs Channel at the time, that’s why I did what I Did. I let Dave boy set the parameters and I tested it. All BS. BTW the SNS look clunky in a Kettle. Sexy? LMAO!!
They do price their stuff high, however, the quality is very good on their products. I do agree they could most likely lower the price. I won my SnS and a weber kettle and a bunch of other stuff. I did buy the griddle without a rack and their grill grates. The price was the only thing I'm not happy with. The products work well together and will last a very long time. As far as your tests go I'd say the 45 min difference is most likely the fact the fire had to jump from one to the other and that slowed the process down a bit and extended the burn. If I was to guess I'd say you could use no charcoal basket and get about the same burn time as any basket including the slow n sear.
Thanks for this video, I used your basket setup with lump charcoal and was able to maintain 225-275 for about 6+ hours for ribs, I just ran a water pan underneath. I canceled my SnS and vortex order and saved $150
There's a guy out there that modded the two charcoal baskets together with a couple drilled holes and screws/washers and made his own slow n sear. I did it just last week and I have to say it's one of the best things I've done for my kettle.
I just bought those baskets about a year ago they works great.The Sns sounded good until I saw the price I rather just put that towards another grill.People can't handle constructive criticism anymore they just get triggered and act like fools.Good video!
Just found this video. I’ve cooked on a cheap Walmart special grill for years and it did the job. Just recently purchased a Weber performer and am super happy with it. Even came with the basket (never used baskets before). Other than wanting a Kamado at some point Weber is tried and true. Excellent video.
Mack's BBQ Team Sounds good, only problem is, is that I would get bored, I meant to cook, and barbecue, and not expose snake oil salesman. LOL thanks for watching and the support brother
great job what a great approach and intersting data collected. I have weber master and today was my first smoke and you taught me how to let the charcoal snake burn- i kept one coal bucket in there and kept feeding it was the temp dropped every few hours now im going ot use both and do what you just did.
Roundhouse Ranch BBQ Thanks Erik. Some people are Upset that I didn’t use water, but what they don’t realize is that ABC didn’t use water in there test. Lol. Thanks again for the support and watching Brother
I've had the Slow N Sear since before it became popular on RUclips. You don't need it. It's a nice accessory and it's easy and it works, but you can slow cook ribs, etc... Just fine without it. But if you like gadgets and toys, especially for your grill, sure, pick one up. I'm certain you'll be happy with its performance. My advice though, DO NOT buy the SnS Plus or 2.0 for $126.00+. You really don't need to spend the extra money for something that is already pricey for what it is. If they still sell them, get the basic, regular $79.99 SnS. If you're worried about charcoal falling through the grates, don't be. It has never been an issue and there are far cheaper ways to fix that "problem" than paying the extra cost for the Plus or 2.0 SnS.
PartyUpLive I actually talked About The regular charcoal basket in my first video. Those are mainly made for the jumbo JOE’S, however they could still be fitted to go into the regular kettle. Thanks for supporting watching and for a good comment
I love my Weber baskets,work great and if I need moisture for long burns I just put hot water in my drip pans and do the spraying when needed.Just did a 3pound meatloaf yesterday managed 250 degrees at the great with a basket on each side 2hours 40 minutes on e of my best meatloafs yet neighbors loved it.
It’s a total gimmick and the claims are false, what really pisses me off are the RUclipsrs who pretended that this was the second coming. Thanks for the support and commenting.
Slow n sear may work, but its a sales marketing job. That ok, but thats what it is. Get one or dont get one...but men have been bbq ing for years without it.
So this is your first video that I’ve seen. Not sure to like or dislike because of the d&$k Measuring contest. I’m with you I don’t use the slow and see her either. I like your attitude, your love for barbecue and your love for guns but especially your love for family. Therefore I’m gonna watch your other videos maybe I’ll sub
D Horne This Dude told me to Put Up or Shut Up, challenging me after I Questioned him on his BS GIMMICK Products, so this is a pretty passionate Video. Thanks for watching and commenting
I listen to scientists say stuff all day and I've come to the conclusion that the only conclusive thing about science is that. Science is always changing. That's what I say to people that try and throw science in my face🤷🏾♂️.
@@RSP3557 True, but consider how it's changing. Most things in physics that people can actually observe without very expensive equipment is very, very well understood. It changes because we are able to observe things better. But that doesn't overthrow what we have seen earlier. For example, when we discover that physics turns weird when looking at the extremely small (subatomic particles) or the extremely large (space), doens't mean that what we have always experienced as humans on earth suddenly changes as well! So yes, science changes all the time, but it has direction, it moves towards being more accurate and complete. A little bit off-topic, but as someone who used to be a scientist, I am always triggered when people attack the scientific method. Nothing personal though.
I think the temperature should be measured on grill grate hight. And something that should also be taken into account is the how even the distribution of heat is. I think the baskets in this case give much more direct heat in the direction of the probe. Not sure if that is a pro or a con. (more efficiency, less equal distribution)
Slownsear is not worth and necessary...for the same price or less you're better off getting the Weber rotisserie attachment and the Craycort cast iron crate...both are well worth it and they add so much more your basic Weber grill
MDP673NJ1 I would give away the cast iron grates. I have them and they are crap. I am Big about cleaning and oiling and they rust like hell. They don’t sear a steak any better than the Weber grates.
I was very impressed with your test. You have saved me 100 bucks. I am not wasting any of my money on the slow n sear. I'm sharing this video with all my bbq friends and family. Thanks!
I recieved a, Slow n Sear as a gift. Used it once, wasn't really impressed with it. I had used the snake method forever and I think it worked better than the, SnS. Thank you for sharing, very informative.
@@jacklowe3788 I had ordered a set from Amazon when I posted this, but the vendor didn't have what they were selling, so I just bought a set of Weber baskets. Couldn't find the SS anywhere else. The Webers are holding up pretty well so far.
You can take one end of each basket loose, put the two together, to make a low and sear type basket. No more need to bridge over from one to the other.
worrabd That was one of the considerations however I Thought that may have burned to quickly, the configuration worked out perfectly. Thanks for watching and commenting
Good video and very good points made. I also understand your contention with the ABC marketing and why you did this video series. I think you proved your point(s) that a Slow-n-Sear is not needed -- especially when it costs more than a brand new Weber Kettle (although I got my gently used Weber Performer for $50 and my almost new Weber Kettle Premium for $30 both on Craigslist). Having said that, I can also see why other people would like to have Dave's accessories -- especially if they are not on a tight budget. I also have no problem with Dave's desire to provide his product(s) ... nobody is being forced to buy them. Personally, the main reason I like the Weber grills so much is because there are so many aftermarket accessories for it.
R A I founded That BBQ DRAGON has some of the best accessories for the Kettle. If some wants to spend and exorbitant amount of money on a Charcoal Basket, God Bless them. I will stick to the cheaper option that perform the same or better. Thanks for the support and watching
Bro! LOVE this video! Been grilling for 20 years, but new to Kettle. Got the Weber 26” and (without knocking anyone) just didn’t like how it seemed like everyone was saying SNS is “the only way to go”. I live in Canada and a SNS up here was going to cost me about $275. Thanks for helping save my money. Love the technique tips of going basket to basket as well as the bricks under the baskets to sear. Can’t wait to check out more of your videos! Keep up the good work! 👍
K.C. Graham I have reviewed many items and almost everything by Adrenaline BBQ I do not like. I will be putting the SNS against the BBQ DRAGON GRILL STONE soon, that is only $50. Thanks for the support and watching Brother
Not a lot of science in a Weber kettle so you are right the moment they say science that means don't question the science. To be honest Slow and Sear always seemed to be just a redo of what was already out there. You did a great of showing the hype over the reality.
One key feature of the 'Slow' part of the slow and sear is the water reservoir. I fully understand why you emitting filling the reservoir, but in doing so you took away all the benefits of the slow cooking aspect. The design of the reservoir acts as a buffer zone, that could not be replicated with Weber baskets and cans on water.....but you could try in the future...and this would be interesting also.
@@chrisg2739 yes heat rises upwards as we all know. However a certain about of radiant heat will go to the sides. The reservoir will reduce heat loss. Thanks for replying.
Nigel how will it reduce the heat loss. The heat is still produced. If it can’t pass through it rises. It’s why the vortex heater works the way it does, it focuses heat upward. A blast furnace is insulated but it’s heat produced is focused in a direction. The slow and sear produces the same heat with or without the reservoir filled. It doesn’t slow the burning of the charcoal because water insulated the radiant heat in that single axis. The water if anything will add moisture to the cooking chamber more conveniently. Thanks for your reply
Nigel You are being Grossly misled. Why did they not use water in the reservoir in the Snake Method vs SNS video they did? It was an even Ballgame Buddy. Radiant heat would be contained if I put playground sand in there. Water has nothing to do with it. You are falling for there BS. Chef Johnny questioned ABC on the same matter, and got a quick rude response. Chef Johnny is an actual Professional that knows what he is talking about. My Daughter in Law And Granddaughter are going to give MERLIN a face lift, it’s time he looks Magical.
I don't even have my weber charcoal baskets anymore, but run my kettle with a couple of bricks to contain the briquets. 6 hour cooks are no problem, and if I'm careful about temp, 8 hours. Sear? Just throw some small chunks of hardwood down and it's 600F easy. Steaks are awesome. Pizza? More wood inside bricks on the side creating a pizza oven fire across the top, awesome. I've done dozens of pizzas this way, but beware! That high of temp will eventually distort your ash grating arms, bending them slightly up and useless for temp control much less ash removal. So of course, I have a (ruined) kettle for pizza, and the other for everything else!
fly 13 That is awesome. You’re making me hungry, talk about pizza. That is some really cool stuff to know. Kettle people are awesome. Thanks for sharing that with me, watching and commenting
Gonna be honest bro. I'm so glad this is over... lol get back in the kitchen hahaha. My take on the "gimmick" we all get wrapped up in gimmicks. It's no different in any merchandise on the market. I use a SNS, it was a gift, and I am very appreciative of that. However, I understand it isn't a must have to produce great food. I like the SNS, but mostly because of ease of use. In the past I would just snake it and that worked fine. I would have never bought a sns on my own. However having one, I plan to use it as much as possible. The one thing I think could have been omitted is the claim that others have been ridiculed by Dave for not using a Weber. If that is going to be a claim, I feel like those folks should have agreed to provide proof and let you post it. Otherwise it's hear say and not necessary for the testing. Regardless, I'm excited to see you get back to recipes and cooking. Take care man.
Stone Mountain BBQ Jason Man its good to see you. Those RUclipsrs can come forth if they want to. I don’t lie or deceive anyone. I see what your saying. The SNS is well constructed but the claims are all Gimmicks and smoke and mirrors. Don’t be a stranger. Thanks for your support and watching brother
Instant sub as soon as I heard your Al Gore comment. Just bought a SnS but not precious about it, something to try but still getting mileage outta my plain ole Weber charcoal baskets.
theimp67 amen brother. A lot of people have been duped by that Global warming BS. My SS Weber baskets are holding up just fine. Thanks for the support and watching Brother.
Very interesting results brother. That was awesome of you to mention Justin’s father. He is a good dude. Excited to see you get back to cooking too! Cheers!
Cooking With CJ me too. I can’t wait to get back into the routine. Now that I’m done Putting Up. As always, Thanks for the support and watching CALIBRO
Great videos, that is why we watch you. Thanks for shining the "LIGHT" on the slow n sear. Look forward to your next video. Still one of my favorite channels to watch, keep up the great work.
Hey Meathead, great work! You saved me some $$$$. Those Weber baskets did the job. So on a 85-90 degree day with high humidity using 80 coals (12 for lighting) I should get 7-8 hours of low and slow? Does using smoking wood raise the temps? New subscriber here.
Close the dampers to just a crack and you should be able to make them last longer. Wood chunks will raise the temps. I used 12 to light 68 in the basket for a total for 80. Thanks for the support and watching Brother
Great very informative series Meathead! Im a Weber Kettle junkie and was considering purchasing a SnS! However its def not needed or required and seems heavily hyped/over the top promos etc....keep up the good work video was very well done no science degree required;)
I have a slow & sear, the benefit is the practicality of it, maybe the water barrier you can say. But your video it's all about the reality of this things. Putting some brain, we all can do magic and figure it out how to grill great stuff ( charcoal baskets )
Luis Miguel Arteagabeitia Valdepeña I like your comment. If someone has a SNS, God Bless them, if Someone doesn’t like the SNS God Bless Them Too. I want the consumer to make the best purchase decision for themselves. Thanks for watching and commenting
Great video. I love the SNS and never take it out my grill. I also have the baskets and never take them out of my other grill. I already have the SNS so its here to stay. But now I can have them both rolling for big cooks.
Hello Meathead, I came to the same conclusion but in a different way. My smoking/grilling adventures started with a Big Green Egg, and until the thing broke, was my first foray into the art of cooking with fire. Lesson learned, never buy something so big you cannot move it easily. Plus, it was just too small of a cooking area even for an XL size. After a while, I started listening to the electric smoker people and eventually bought a Smokin-IT SS electric smoker.
Electric smokers are good, no shame there, those are a Legit. BGE I heard are really Heavy and solid cooking pits, I agree on the cooking surface being small. I’ve never owned a ceramic grill, but my friend swares by his BGE. I have a Pellet Smoker and that’s about as close as I get to electric. Thanks for watching and the comment
LOL!! I’m glad I saved you from making a bad decision. I will be doing a BBQ DRAGON GRILL STONE 🆚 SNS Soon. Thanks for the support and watching Brother
Spain on a Fork Albert I do appreciate it.I really have fun doing this RUclips thing. It’s just unfortunate I had to do a series like this. Well thanks for the support and watching brother
I just came across this video. I am late to the party, but I too saw the price of the SnS and thought "Wow! What a total ripoff! I got 2 fire bricks and laid them across my weber as I saw on a different you tube video. I filled that side of the grill with charcoal and got through a 7 hour cook at 235ish, and only used a little over half the charcoal. Im going to need to sear some steaks or something today so all that charcoal doesn't go to waste. SnS is a complete waste of money!
Ruben Alvarez My pleasure. I have also demonstrated the health hazards associated with the water trough, and I have also shown how much room it takes up in you cooking chamber. On my 22 inch Weber Kettle using the BBQ DRAGON GRILL STONE I was a able to get 4 8lb Pork Butts on there, with the SNS 2 Pork Butts. It’s not a wise decision IMHO, however it does have a Cult following and no matter what I say someone will get offended. Thanks for the support and watching. Congratulations on a great decision
Ruben Alvarez I haven’t tried The Grill Grates, but from what I gather they Are really good. They get extremely hot for searing and you can flip them over to use as a griddle, and they are supposed to prevent flare ups. I need to get some and do an OFFICIAL review.
@@meatcranium4280 There's also this product for the Weber 26 (the 22 as well) called the Fire Butler. Been watching a few videos on them and it's definitely caught my attention. Have you seen this product? If so any opinions?
A couple of questions for you, why not measure temp at the level of where the food would be, rather than at coal level? The SNS thing has a solid metal wall between it and the probe vs the other coal baskets that had slots in the sides of them. So, wouldn't you expect the probe that is in with the Weber baskets to register hotter and for longer than the other? For full disclosure, I own neither of these things but will be purchasing a grill in rhe near future, so these tests are quite informative. I sure there is a reason the test was done this way, but I don't know what that reason is.
Antoine Simmons First off thanks for the questions . ABC (Dave) himself uses the lower grate to cook on. The heat is going to act like convection and Swirl inside the cooking chamber. This has been brought up many times. There simply was not enough coals in the SNS for it to maintain temps any longer, at best it would have tied. Even a tie, the SNS STILL LOSES. You can Easily cover 2thin bricks with foil and place them over the slits in the 304 SS Charcoal baskets. Thanks for the questions, I hope I answered it good.
@@meatcranium4280 sure did. I'm late to this party. Did not realize this experiment was essentially a duplication of something done already. Makes sense now.
TMI Didn`t make since all at one time . Lost what you were talking about. BUT after the 12:35 mark made since. But Who`s Dave? I`m from NZ. Near the end lost track again. And don`t know who A.B.C. is
Here is my thing What do you have to gain by attacking another person's way of earning a living? You literally took money out of their pocket with this series and at one point you told people to go by a griddle somewhere else... Why? I love the comparison though thank you for doing it, just wish the expose' tone and trashing of the product and what not could have been left out.
desmund lighten After the owner tells me to Put Up or Shut Up because he refused to answer the simplest of question. He did it to himself. He literally asked for it. LITTERALY!! I don’t care who buys what, it’s your choice. If you want one get one. ME!! I’ll pass. Thanks for the comment
Enter User Name Here. No I don’t have a Weber turkey Video. There are so many out there. If I make another Turkey it will be on my Barrel House Cooker. Thanks for the support and watching
so question…other than longevity how do the 304 baskets compare to the weber? I mean do they hold about the same work about the same…the stainless just being a much nicer better made version?
I still have and use the 304 Weber baskets and they hold the same if not more than the SNS. The newer SNS’s are not 304 SS anymore, they went to a lesser 400 grade steel which is a downgrade of the 304.
SNS is definitely a marketing ploy to sell products at a higher price than much cheaper alternatives already on the market. That being said, I really do enjoy my SNS. If I didn’t get mine as a present, I’d be using the standard coal baskets and probably be just as happy.
Kirby's Fishngrill HAHA!! It’s all good. It’s nice quality. I give the information you do what you want with it. Enjoy it. Thanks for the support and watching Brother
Do you have any tips for creating the bridge over the charcoal baskets please, I tried this yesterday but the 2nd basket didn't catch alight, first one went for almost 5 hours though, so assumed it had until i lifted the lid!!
Baskets need to be together tight, and stack the coals like dominos after they have fallen, or you can put 5 lit coals it one corner of one basket, and 5 lit coals in the corner of the other basket. Thanks for the support and watching.
Great series, very informative. What did we learn? 2 things :A - there are products that work just as well or better than a SnS... B - don’t insult Meathead otherwise he will come at you like a Tasmanian devil.. haha seriously though I really enjoyed your series and comparison. Thank you for sharing.
Louis at R shack BBQ You Get Pinned. Great Comment Brother
Yep, this is what I would say!
Awesome vid. 15 min is usually my max attention span. I enjoyed every second. Subbed
David Green 9jjkll
Anal wife
Video doesn’t make any sense.
He measures the temperature on the charcoal grate. Not the food grate. The baskets are open on the side. The SnS isn’t. Meaning that to achieve the same temperature on the charcoal grate the temperature of the food grate is probably going to be higher on the food grate with the SnS. So he puts significant disadvantage on the SnS.
For a guy that talks bad about science he should have been more scientific about this.
Bought my Weber baskets for 20 bucks and love em. they work perfect and for 20 bucks you will not be disappointed.
Jay Hickey I actually just got the grill and the baskets and I was highly impressed
Actual testing begins at 6 minutes.
Thanks. The intro is super annoying.
I had a slow n sear in my cart but not placed the order yet - then I watched this. Thanks for the info you provide! Saved me some money
Chris Trail You’re welcome I’m glad I could help you make a great decision. Thanks for watching
Another good comparison vid Chris. Again, I do love my SNS however I don't use it like you are supposed to. I got into a bit of a spat with Dave about the water trough saying that I prefer to use a foil drip pan instead of the trough. I too ran a comparison a few months ago and found that the aluminum foil drip/water pan works better for me. For shorter cooks (when I smoke Italian sausages in 2 hrs or less) the aluminum foil drip/water pan works much better and keeps the temps more even. Additionally, when it comes to clean up, if the SNS water trough still has water in it while trying to dump old coals, you have a real mess on your hands. I also want to point out that on hotter cooks the water trough runs dry after 4 to 5 hours and have fun trying to add more water through the cooking grate without sloshing it onto the hot coals. All in all the SNS works for me but I could have saved about $50.00 if I had just purchased the two Weber charcoal baskets. Just my opinion and thank you for sending condolences to Justin (Baby Back Maniac) wishing his dad a full recovery. Cheers my friend and looking forward to more great cooking vids.
William Logan those are great points as well. Justin is a good guy, I wish he wouldn’t lump himself in with ABC. I understand that we all have a Gig. Nothing but Love for him and his dad. Thanks for the support and watching Brother
Oh Snap .... was curious about this so I checked out the SnS ... now I get it ... (smh) ... personally, I don't use any of those baskets type stuff ... just stack the brickets in a corner and if I want to add moisture I just get those disposable aluminum containers and stick it in the bottom next to the brickets .... simple simple simple and has *never* failed me ....
Anthony Maske honestly that’s all you need
Exactly, ghetto grilling!
I have been watching SnS videos all night and I was thinking, people have to have been accomplishing the same results before the SnS
i really appreciate this video i was planning on buying that slow and sear but not anymore after this video thanks
I actually have a merlin in my Amazon cart as we speak and told my wife that's what I wanted for Father's day. So glad you made this video! Saved me a 100 dollars. Thanks for shedding light on this.
tugboat2001 You’re welcome. I even went in depth in another video after this where I actually did heat signatures of the slow and sear
@@meatcranium4280 definitely going to check it out.
I love how instead of admitting there was an inherent flaw with their product they came after you with science. Then went and updated their product with exactly what you were testing about.
MyMind LoL.And lowered the price. Yeah it’s a cheaper steel, but it is more affordable now. Watch my Q&A on Saturday I hit on this exact stuff. Thanks for the support and watching
I know this is a later reply but I was doing my research on the SNS Slow-n-Sear Version 1 vs Version 2. Then I came across your video, very informative. I think I'll save my money and keep using the SS baskets. Now that meat prices are rising (Covid-19 days) I will save the money to buy the meat! Thanks for your video, indisputable!
Mark Tierney Thanks Brotha. More meat purchasing is definitely the better choice. Thanks for the support and watching
Awsome video saved me alot of money I just got a second webber kettle grill was going to get the Merlin and the drip n griddle. So glad they are on back order or I would have wasted alot of money.
Party Foul Glad to help
Dude, thank you very much Sir! You have saved me money I was about to buy SandS , but test was awesome!
Yeah it’s totally not necessary. Thanks for the support and watching Brother
I own a SNS and over the years I thought this thing isn’t really isn’t that special. I had better results with homemade expanded steel baskets or one original Weber basket. I always assumed it was me, my kingsford blue, my slightly leaky beat up kettle (Old faithful from 02) and can’t seem to keep my cooker going longer than 6 hours. I get slightly longer times paper clipping the lid shut and it really isn’t longer by much.
I don’t hate it, more less I hate that I bought it. The bottom grate that “holds the coal in” had almost become detached from the poorly penetrated TIG welds. The ground down corners (that cut me BTW..should’ve saw it as a sign) and raw finish i received wasn’t worth in my opinion what I paid for it. But I have been using it non stop since I’ve obtained in a few years back since I gave away my baskets! It has helped smoke plenty of ribs, chicken and pork over the years so it’s earned it’s keep. Would I ever buy another one? No. Would I recommend one at this point? No. But I can’t get rid of it and it will get used until I see no use for it or I make or buy another basket.
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Screwloooose GOOD STUFF!! I just want people to know that they have options, that The SNS isn’t Magical, Revolutionary, or anything else that it gets tagged with. ITS A FREEKIN CHARCOAL BASKET!! If someone likes the SNS buy it, if not, Don’t. I appreciate you commenting and watching
I just bought a new Weber kettle and wae looking for some accessories for it. I got the Weber charcoal baskets and was seriously looking at buying the slow N Sear. After this video I'm sold I don't need the slow N Sear and the baskets will hold their own just fine! Thanks for the video! 👍👍
So, I think I told you about Justin offering me a free SNS and I turned it down. I went and bought the Grilla Q , I used it a lot at first, now I don't. You did the most fair comparison, and the SNS came out last.Can we please get back to cooking Meat!
The Root Boy Cooks ! Meat next week Brother, I can’t wait. No, you didn’t tell me that. Interesting, to say the least. You asked me about the Grilla Q in your comment section. Email me and we will discuss it. Thanks for the support and watching Brother
I’ve had about every grill and smoker made and now I have a Weber 22” Master Touch with the baskets for the very reason he just proved. The versatility is just amazing.
I agree the S/S is not a necessary piece of equipment . A fuse method with out even charcoal baskets works well . I used the snake method for a long time . However I like the S/S for convenience . It makes clean up a breeze ( after BBQ ) . The water column does not sit under the meat therefore , the foil under the meat collects the drippings which, after cooling down congeal and I simply throw the foil away . The remaining water in the column , I can dump out on the ground . No messy greasy water to poor into a container-- as when I use to use a drip /water pan under the meat . Its a convenience thing for me and I like it .
Awesome vid cut through the marketing bull and prove your theory this channel will blow up for sure, do knives different brand of BBQs same type different price points, BBQ cutlery , different branded charcoal etc the limits are endless I wish you the best of luck never loose honesty or the science and it's a winner...
Baboo Choo Well stated. I will always stand for the consumer. Thanks for the support and watching
I bought the SNS for overnight brisket cooks. I wasn't able to get 8 hours or steady temps of 225-250 degrees. Other comments suggested my kettle had air leaks.I owned 3 kettles at the time and got the same results. The water trough is a pain to keep clean and it warped after a few cooks. Personally, I hate buying aluminum pans for water so the SNS wasn't a total waste. I love it to reverse sear and dual zone high temp cooks. Long story less long, when youtubers you subscribe to post a paid video stating how great a pruduct is find videos from guys who 1.) paid for their own product and 2.) aren't trying to become a" youtube star." There's a lot of $ in youtube and its a job to some folks. Great video btw!
I appreciate the comment. I noticed a lot of the SNS warp as well. Those must not be magical enough. Lol. Thanks for the support and watching
I bought a SnS for reverse sear and dual zone temp cooks as well. I got a Kamado so I don't need the SnS for slow cooks. I personally feel it is a nice product to use. Putting two small charcoal baskets together onto a couple of bricks is not for me.
Lenny G BBQ You won’t get an argument out of me on that. If you like the SNS that’s cool. The small charcoal baskets are very efficient. I was responding to some people who were saying that you couldn’t sear with the small ones, The SNS is well constructed, I have few problems with it, mostly the Bulkiness of it, and the unsanitary Water trough, and most people water trough warps after awhile, not cool. Thanks for watching and the comment
Warping doesn't bother me (as long as it doesn't break). But, apparently this issue has been resolved with SnS 2.0. However, I don't have one to confirm that. It would be interesting to know if someone has independently tested one to confirm that.
Gimmick on the phone 😭 Savage. I'm subscribed. My new Weber kettle will be here Wednesday in green. I'm hoping the baskets win because they're 15 bucks!
Nick Folcarelli I like that Green. Thanks for the support and watching
I think it would have been a closer comparison if you put the grates on top and the temp probe at grate level. The heat is rising and the water reservoir area is blocking direct heat to the probe compared to the Weber baskets. Just my .02
I think the SnS would have held over 200. I can testify to having 9 hours of 225 with a basket of charcoal. But I used the Weber baskets as well and could usually get about 7 hours then have to reload a bit not a big deal. Both are great products
Tabey Loccs There simply was not enough coals for it to continue. At best they were tied.. I am not impressed with theSNS. Thanks for watching and commenting
It got to temp quicker because there is an air gap (water reservoir) between the coles and the temp gauge and on the other one there is not. Having the sensor closer to hot coals would make it get to temp quicker. It's not rocket science.
jstar1000 Very Good. All things being equal the SNS didn’t have enough coals to last. Hey, I’m going Live this Saturday, I would like for you to be on. I’m going to be talking SNS and some health news associated with it. No hate only Facts. Thanks for watching and commenting
The extra opening on the sides of the baskets allow it to burn hotter and faster. This not a true apples to apples test. I personally like the control that the SNS gives me.
nice work. straight up longevity test. glad you pulled back the marketing veil on the slow n sear. i just wish you did this before i bought one, lol...
Shane Corbishley Man I’m sorry about that. I will be putting the SND VS THE BBQ DRAGON GRILL STONE Soon
Awesome test. I bought stainless steel charcoal baskets. Works great. What I do to control my heat is kinda of dumb. I figure each piece of briquette is 25 F degrees. So I use 15 pieces and I add 5 to stay at 250.
rottvang That is actually really smart. I like that. I need to write that down. I think your correct. The 305 SS CHARCOAL BASKETS is all you honestly need. Great comment. Thanks for contributing
Im glad i found this video. I was wondering whats the rage on slow n sear. I achieve the same thing by banking the coals and putting up fire brick barrier. The price is not very justified either. So even if it was marginally better than chacoal baskets, probably still wouldn’t buy it
Good test! Seriously done! Aren't the baskets also more versatile with different configurations?
Absolutely. Thanks for watching and commenting
I just came across your video, appreciate the work! However, I think your approach is biased because you tried it without meat. If you were to retry this experiment again with meat, I guess that you would have to rotate meat much more often on the grill equipped with standard weber charcoal holder because it will burn on the closer side to heat, which will mean many more times of opening and closing lid. This will likely jeopardize your temp control and be more uncomfortable than the SNS. PS: I do not own either of these products :) I hope you do a re-test...
Hehehe. I wish we were neighbours. Our politics align and I love what you said in the beginning. You are not the only one suffering with these people. Love your work!!
Paul Victor I don’t suffer fools well Brother. Thanks for the support
I knew the slow and sear was overpriced but I liked the way it looked and functioned more than the weber baskets. I like that it is just one unit rather than two , I like the water reservoir and the size of it. thats all there is to it for me , spending $80 or $20 doesn't make a huge difference to me at all it is an insignificant amount of money either way so I got what I liked.
I was looking at buying a slow n sear but the price point seemed much too high especially compared to the weber baskets. This video provided some good info. Thanks.
Izy Alilin I have SNS VS GRILL STONE COMING OUT TODAY. It is really interesting. I am Premiering it at 10:30 EST. Thanks for the support and watching. I’m glad I could provide some informative for you.
Fun facts - 1- SNS look sexier in the kettle . 2 - SNS without using water not a fair test. 3 - Wired temp wire causes air gaps, use wireless for SNS. Final analysis, use both. GG
@@maximuscryptosx9424 I repeated the exact test that Dave Parrish did on Baby Back maniacs Channel at the time, that’s why I did what I Did. I let Dave boy set the parameters and I tested it. All BS. BTW the SNS look clunky in a Kettle. Sexy? LMAO!!
@@meatcranium4280 It looks sexy 2 me, it looks clunky 2 you. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I have both SNS & baskets. I use both. GG
Had one in my basket until I watched your video. Great job, saved me $100
Alfred P Linden Jr You’re welcome. I’m glad I could save you some money. It’s a complete gimmick. Thanks for watching and the support
Same. Same.
They do price their stuff high, however, the quality is very good on their products. I do agree they could most likely lower the price. I won my SnS and a weber kettle and a bunch of other stuff. I did buy the griddle without a rack and their grill grates. The price was the only thing I'm not happy with. The products work well together and will last a very long time.
As far as your tests go I'd say the 45 min difference is most likely the fact the fire had to jump from one to the other and that slowed the process down a bit and extended the burn. If I was to guess I'd say you could use no charcoal basket and get about the same burn time as any basket including the slow n sear.
Jason F I think you’d be right on that assessment. I just see your comment sorry for responding 10 months later. Thanks for the support and watching.
@@meatcranium4280 you can make it up to me by sending me some brisket!
Thanks for this video, I used your basket setup with lump charcoal and was able to maintain 225-275 for about 6+ hours for ribs, I just ran a water pan underneath. I canceled my SnS and vortex order and saved $150
Nice. Very Good. I love hearing stories like this. Thanks for sharing.
There's a guy out there that modded the two charcoal baskets together with a couple drilled holes and screws/washers and made his own slow n sear. I did it just last week and I have to say it's one of the best things I've done for my kettle.
MusicLover that would be Kent at Daddy Dutch BBQ, that made the Bro n Sear, it is absolutely genius. Thanks for the support and watching.
I just bought those baskets about a year ago they works great.The Sns sounded good until I saw the price I rather just put that towards another grill.People can't handle constructive criticism anymore they just get triggered and act like fools.Good video!
sheoop lasios THANKYOU so much I appreciate it
Just found this video. I’ve cooked on a cheap Walmart special grill for years and it did the job. Just recently purchased a Weber performer and am super happy with it. Even came with the basket (never used baskets before). Other than wanting a Kamado at some point Weber is tried and true. Excellent video.
Exactly my thoughts. If it ain’t broke don’t try to fix it. Thanks for the support and commenting.
Hey Meathead, I think you should keep this format all the time. Meathead myth busting!!!
Mack's BBQ Team Sounds good, only problem is, is that I would get bored, I meant to cook, and barbecue, and not expose snake oil salesman. LOL thanks for watching and the support brother
great job what a great approach and intersting data collected. I have weber master and today was my first smoke and you taught me how to let the charcoal snake burn- i kept one coal bucket in there and kept feeding it was the temp dropped every few hours now im going ot use both and do what you just did.
Herakles great comment, I’m glad I could help you out. Thanks for the support and watching.
Lol you said gnashing of teeth! I enjoyed this video. Don't really have anything to say against how this test was done. Nice job!
Roundhouse Ranch BBQ Thanks Erik. Some people are Upset that I didn’t use water, but what they don’t realize is that ABC didn’t use water in there test. Lol. Thanks again for the support and watching Brother
I've had the Slow N Sear since before it became popular on RUclips. You don't need it. It's a nice accessory and it's easy and it works, but you can slow cook ribs, etc... Just fine without it. But if you like gadgets and toys, especially for your grill, sure, pick one up. I'm certain you'll be happy with its performance. My advice though, DO NOT buy the SnS Plus or 2.0 for $126.00+. You really don't need to spend the extra money for something that is already pricey for what it is. If they still sell them, get the basic, regular $79.99 SnS. If you're worried about charcoal falling through the grates, don't be. It has never been an issue and there are far cheaper ways to fix that "problem" than paying the extra cost for the Plus or 2.0 SnS.
PartyUpLive I actually talked About The regular charcoal basket in my first video. Those are mainly made for the jumbo JOE’S, however they could still be fitted to go into the regular kettle. Thanks for supporting watching and for a good comment
This was very interesting. You seemed to have done an even test! Thanks for sharing your findings.
Daddy Cooks Thanks Phil. Hey email me your address. My email is in my about page. I appreciate you taking your time and watching and commenting
I love my Weber baskets,work great and if I need moisture for long burns I just put hot water in my drip pans and do the spraying when needed.Just did a 3pound meatloaf yesterday managed 250 degrees at the great with a basket on each side 2hours 40 minutes on e of my best meatloafs yet neighbors loved it.
It’s a total gimmick and the claims are false, what really pisses me off are the RUclipsrs who pretended that this was the second coming. Thanks for the support and commenting.
Slow n sear may work, but its a sales marketing job. That ok, but thats what it is. Get one or dont get one...but men have been bbq ing for years without it.
So this is your first video that I’ve seen. Not sure to like or dislike because of the d&$k Measuring contest. I’m with you I don’t use the slow and see her either. I like your attitude, your love for barbecue and your love for guns but especially your love for family. Therefore I’m gonna watch your other videos maybe I’ll sub
D Horne This Dude told me to Put Up or Shut Up, challenging me after I Questioned him on his BS GIMMICK Products, so this is a pretty passionate Video. Thanks for watching and commenting
Ive been waiting for this!! Thx MeatHead. Sometimes the truth hurts. Grown men babies these days always whining
Brian Gutierrez That is a very true statement. I prefer to called snowflakes. Thanks for watching and the support
I listen to scientists say stuff all day and I've come to the conclusion that the only conclusive thing about science is that. Science is always changing. That's what I say to people that try and throw science in my face🤷🏾♂️.
Solo Male AMEN!! Very True Statement. HOMERUN
Jesse Johnson it changes because we learn new stuff.
@@spencerstracke92 Yes meaning that science is not always set in stone because everything is always changing.
@@RSP3557 True, but consider how it's changing. Most things in physics that people can actually observe without very expensive equipment is very, very well understood. It changes because we are able to observe things better. But that doesn't overthrow what we have seen earlier. For example, when we discover that physics turns weird when looking at the extremely small (subatomic particles) or the extremely large (space), doens't mean that what we have always experienced as humans on earth suddenly changes as well! So yes, science changes all the time, but it has direction, it moves towards being more accurate and complete.
A little bit off-topic, but as someone who used to be a scientist, I am always triggered when people attack the scientific method. Nothing personal though.
I think the temperature should be measured on grill grate hight. And something that should also be taken into account is the how even the distribution of heat is. I think the baskets in this case give much more direct heat in the direction of the probe. Not sure if that is a pro or a con. (more efficiency, less equal distribution)
Slownsear is not worth and necessary...for the same price or less you're better off getting the Weber rotisserie attachment and the Craycort cast iron crate...both are well worth it and they add so much more your basic Weber grill
MDP673NJ1 I would give away the cast iron grates. I have them and they are crap. I am Big about cleaning and oiling and they rust like hell. They don’t sear a steak any better than the Weber grates.
Cast iron needs to be taken care of. The Rotisserie attachment would be awesome and cheaper than the S&S. Thanks for watching
I came to the exact same conclusion! Without knowing about the “beef” or seeing the video! Simple and cheap is usually best.
I was very impressed with your test. You have saved me 100 bucks. I am not wasting any of my money on the slow n sear. I'm sharing this video with all my bbq friends and family. Thanks!
You have made a wise decision. Stay Smokey my friend
I recieved a, Slow n Sear as a gift. Used it once, wasn't really impressed with it. I had used the snake method forever and I think it worked better than the, SnS. Thank you for sharing, very informative.
Paparoach8676 Is have to agree with you. Thanks for the support and watching
Snake Method or 2 fire bricks.....$299 for SnS....Lol......The DAMN Kettle is way less than that!!!
This video was recommended to me by RUclips shortly after my Bronco Pro arrived
BARRICADE GARAGE Holy crap!! Bronco pro!! Nice. I love my Bronco. Thanks for the support and watching.
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Got a Kettle coming in this week and was on the fence about the slow and sear. Thanks for the clarification. Gonna rock with the baskets weber sends!
Fernando Rodriguez That all You truly need. Thanks for the support and watching Brother
Since I was about to buy SNS and this changed my mind, I'm gonna spend a little of my savings and get the Quality Grill Parts Heavy Duty SS baskets.
You would be a lot better off. Thanks for the support and watching.
@@meatcranium4280 yeah, $40 instead of $20, but way better than $99.
Where do you get stainless baskets for 22" Weber?
@@jacklowe3788 I had ordered a set from Amazon when I posted this, but the vendor didn't have what they were selling, so I just bought a set of Weber baskets. Couldn't find the SS anywhere else. The Webers are holding up pretty well so far.
Jack Lowe On EBay. They have almost a yellowish tint to them in the pictures.
You can take one end of each basket loose, put the two together, to make a low and sear type basket. No more need to bridge over from one to the other.
worrabd That was one of the considerations however I Thought that may have burned to quickly, the configuration worked out perfectly. Thanks for watching and commenting
Good video and very good points made. I also understand your contention with the ABC marketing and why you did this video series. I think you proved your point(s) that a Slow-n-Sear is not needed -- especially when it costs more than a brand new Weber Kettle (although I got my gently used Weber Performer for $50 and my almost new Weber Kettle Premium for $30 both on Craigslist). Having said that, I can also see why other people would like to have Dave's accessories -- especially if they are not on a tight budget. I also have no problem with Dave's desire to provide his product(s) ... nobody is being forced to buy them. Personally, the main reason I like the Weber grills so much is because there are so many aftermarket accessories for it.
R A I founded That BBQ DRAGON has some of the best accessories for the Kettle. If some wants to spend and exorbitant amount of money on a Charcoal Basket, God Bless them. I will stick to the cheaper option that perform the same or better. Thanks for the support and watching
Bro! LOVE this video! Been grilling for 20 years, but new to Kettle. Got the Weber 26” and (without knocking anyone) just didn’t like how it seemed like everyone was saying SNS is “the only way to go”. I live in Canada and a SNS up here was going to cost me about $275. Thanks for helping save my money. Love the technique tips of going basket to basket as well as the bricks under the baskets to sear. Can’t wait to check out more of your videos! Keep up the good work! 👍
K.C. Graham I have reviewed many items and almost everything by Adrenaline BBQ I do not like. I will be putting the SNS against the BBQ DRAGON GRILL STONE soon, that is only $50. Thanks for the support and watching Brother
Not a lot of science in a Weber kettle so you are right the moment they say science that means don't question the science. To be honest Slow and Sear always seemed to be just a redo of what was already out there. You did a great of showing the hype over the reality.
One key feature of the 'Slow' part of the slow and sear is the water reservoir. I fully understand why you emitting filling the reservoir, but in doing so you took away all the benefits of the slow cooking aspect. The design of the reservoir acts as a buffer zone, that could not be replicated with Weber baskets and cans on water.....but you could try in the future...and this would be interesting also.
Nigel you know the heat rises up not across, right? If the water reservoir was above the coals it would act as a buffer.
@@chrisg2739 yes heat rises upwards as we all know. However a certain about of radiant heat will go to the sides. The reservoir will reduce heat loss. Thanks for replying.
Nigel how will it reduce the heat loss. The heat is still produced. If it can’t pass through it rises. It’s why the vortex heater works the way it does, it focuses heat upward. A blast furnace is insulated but it’s heat produced is focused in a direction. The slow and sear produces the same heat with or without the reservoir filled. It doesn’t slow the burning of the charcoal because water insulated the radiant heat in that single axis. The water if anything will add moisture to the cooking chamber more conveniently.
Thanks for your reply
Nigel You are being Grossly misled. Why did they not use water in the reservoir in the Snake Method vs SNS video they did? It was an even Ballgame Buddy. Radiant heat would be contained if I put playground sand in there. Water has nothing to do with it. You are falling for there BS. Chef Johnny questioned ABC on the same matter, and got a quick rude response. Chef Johnny is an actual Professional that knows what he is talking about. My Daughter in Law And Granddaughter are going to give MERLIN a face lift, it’s time he looks Magical.
Mongoose Viper ABC hasn’t even used water in the SNS vs Snake Method. Its a line of BS PUt out there so people can hold hope.
Burn baby burn 😂😂🔥 loved the video bro haha
MARTINLOCZ LoL!! Thanks mane
MeatCranium BBQ AND REVIEW no problem man ur a beast 💯😂😂
I don't even have my weber charcoal baskets anymore, but run my kettle with a couple of bricks to contain the briquets. 6 hour cooks are no problem, and if I'm careful about temp, 8 hours. Sear? Just throw some small chunks of hardwood down and it's 600F easy. Steaks are awesome. Pizza? More wood inside bricks on the side creating a pizza oven fire across the top, awesome. I've done dozens of pizzas this way, but beware! That high of temp will eventually distort your ash grating arms, bending them slightly up and useless for temp control much less ash removal. So of course, I have a (ruined) kettle for pizza, and the other for everything else!
fly 13 That is awesome. You’re making me hungry, talk about pizza. That is some really cool stuff to know. Kettle people are awesome. Thanks for sharing that with me, watching and commenting
Gonna be honest bro. I'm so glad this is over... lol get back in the kitchen hahaha. My take on the "gimmick" we all get wrapped up in gimmicks. It's no different in any merchandise on the market. I use a SNS, it was a gift, and I am very appreciative of that. However, I understand it isn't a must have to produce great food. I like the SNS, but mostly because of ease of use. In the past I would just snake it and that worked fine. I would have never bought a sns on my own. However having one, I plan to use it as much as possible. The one thing I think could have been omitted is the claim that others have been ridiculed by Dave for not using a Weber. If that is going to be a claim, I feel like those folks should have agreed to provide proof and let you post it. Otherwise it's hear say and not necessary for the testing. Regardless, I'm excited to see you get back to recipes and cooking. Take care man.
Stone Mountain BBQ Jason Man its good to see you. Those RUclipsrs can come forth if they want to. I don’t lie or deceive anyone. I see what your saying. The SNS is well constructed but the claims are all Gimmicks and smoke and mirrors. Don’t be a stranger. Thanks for your support and watching brother
I know I would be happy to use one if it were a gift.
Good to see a longevity test from someone without a financial interest. I'll save my money and use a 5 briquette snake. Thank you.
That will work great. This product company, and owner still piss me off to this day. Thanks for the support and commenting.
Why not turn the baskets into a bro n sear?
I could however I have formulated a technique where I can use 100% of my cooking surface. Thanks for the support and commenting
Instant sub as soon as I heard your Al Gore comment. Just bought a SnS but not precious about it, something to try but still getting mileage outta my plain ole Weber charcoal baskets.
theimp67 amen brother. A lot of people have been duped by that Global warming BS. My SS Weber baskets are holding up just fine. Thanks for the support and watching Brother.
Very interesting results brother. That was awesome of you to mention Justin’s father. He is a good dude. Excited to see you get back to cooking too! Cheers!
Cooking With CJ me too. I can’t wait to get back into the routine. Now that I’m done Putting Up. As always, Thanks for the support and watching CALIBRO
😎😎 Just enjoyed your video's👊👊, I'm a new fan,keep up the awesome content 🤜🤛
Cali Bluntman420 Thanks Brother, I appreciate the support
Thank goodness for someone who doesn't just repeat so much of the nonsense that we see around and about.
Andy Howell Truth and Commonsence, that’s what I’m about. Thanks for the support and watching
No problem. It is a pleasure!
Great videos, that is why we watch you. Thanks for shining the "LIGHT" on the slow n sear. Look forward to your next video. Still one of my favorite channels to watch, keep up the great work.
Rick Short I sure do appreciate it. I am back to cooking next weekend. I glad you enjoyed it, and thanks for the support and watching
Hey Meathead, great work! You saved me some $$$$. Those Weber baskets did the job. So on a 85-90 degree day with high humidity using 80 coals (12 for lighting) I should get 7-8 hours of low and slow? Does using smoking wood raise the temps? New subscriber here.
Close the dampers to just a crack and you should be able to make them last longer. Wood chunks will raise the temps. I used 12 to light 68 in the basket for a total for 80. Thanks for the support and watching Brother
That sns vs BGE video. Is it made by baby back maniac? Lol
My weber is from 1986, did not need shit then, does not need shit now. Thanks man.
Coni McQuiston your most certainly welcome
I was drying laughing when you threw the low and slow away! How's that for an exclamation point!
Chip's Outdoor Channel Yup!! I still have it. I gave it to my Daughter in Law And Granddaughter as an art project
another thumbs up on this one guy,,,,i dont have, need, or want one of those sns deals,,,,,i appreciated this series of vids, thank you
keith bettag Hey Keith I’m Glad you enjoyed it. I’m not putting up with BS no more. Thanks for the support and watching Brother
Is there any reason you've disabled the "Like" vs "Dislike" counters?
Steve Stafford Simply. I’ve been doing it for along time now, and it takes the power away from snowflakes
Which means? Its the first time I've seen a youtube channel that hides it's likes/dislikes. What do you have to hide?
Steve Stafford A lot of people do it. I’m not giving power and satisfaction to butthurt thumbs down pushers
@@meatcranium4280 never seen it on any other channel. I'd suggest you reveal for clarity. If you don't, it severely undermines your whole argument.
Steve Stafford No
Slow and Sear is a gimmick, just like the Vortex. Great video man!
Great very informative series Meathead! Im a Weber Kettle junkie and was considering purchasing a SnS! However its def not needed or required and seems heavily hyped/over the top promos etc....keep up the good work video was very well done no science degree required;)
David Smith I think all he did was rip off the Grilla que, and attached a basket to it. Nothing technical. I appreciate you watching and commenting
I have a slow & sear, the benefit is the practicality of it, maybe the water barrier you can say. But your video it's all about the reality of this things. Putting some brain, we all can do magic and figure it out how to grill great stuff ( charcoal baskets )
Luis Miguel Arteagabeitia Valdepeña I like your comment. If someone has a SNS, God Bless them, if Someone doesn’t like the SNS God Bless Them Too. I want the consumer to make the best purchase decision for themselves. Thanks for watching and commenting
Great video. I love the SNS and never take it out my grill. I also have the baskets and never take them out of my other grill. I already have the SNS so its here to stay. But now I can have them both rolling for big cooks.
Brandon There ya go. Sounds good to me
Hello Meathead, I came to the same conclusion but in a different way. My smoking/grilling adventures started with a Big Green Egg, and until the thing broke, was my first foray into the art of cooking with fire. Lesson learned, never buy something so big you cannot move it easily. Plus, it was just too small of a cooking area even for an XL size. After a while, I started listening to the electric smoker people and eventually bought a Smokin-IT SS electric smoker.
Electric smokers are good, no shame there, those are a Legit. BGE I heard are really Heavy and solid cooking pits, I agree on the cooking surface being small. I’ve never owned a ceramic grill, but my friend swares by his BGE. I have a Pellet Smoker and that’s about as close as I get to electric. Thanks for watching and the comment
oh men, every time for some unknown reason I think about buying the SnS I came to watch your video to un-brainwash and you safe me $$ :) thanks !
LOL!! I’m glad I saved you from making a bad decision. I will be doing a BBQ DRAGON GRILL STONE 🆚 SNS Soon. Thanks for the support and watching Brother
Thx man! Have been thinking About getting a SnS for ages. No more.
Raja Boes Great decision. Thanks for the support and watching.
Man your new videos are killing it! getting loads of views brother, I´m loving the new editing style too
Spain on a Fork Albert I do appreciate it.I really have fun doing this RUclips thing. It’s just unfortunate I had to do a series like this. Well thanks for the support and watching brother
I think the heavier gauge metal of the slow n sear retains more heat that’s reflected back at the charcoal which causes them to burn up faster.
I just came across this video. I am late to the party, but I too saw the price of the SnS and thought "Wow! What a total ripoff! I got 2 fire bricks and laid them across my weber as I saw on a different you tube video. I filled that side of the grill with charcoal and got through a 7 hour cook at 235ish, and only used a little over half the charcoal. Im going to need to sear some steaks or something today so all that charcoal doesn't go to waste. SnS is a complete waste of money!
Completely agree. Thanks for the support and commenting
I was considering a S.N.S. but I just changed my mind.... 👍
Warren Pouyer wonderful
You just saved me from buying the sns for my new Weber 26.75 ..... Thanks for taking the time to demonstrate the potential for the original baskets. 🤟
Ruben Alvarez My pleasure. I have also demonstrated the health hazards associated with the water trough, and I have also shown how much room it takes up in you cooking chamber. On my 22 inch Weber Kettle using the BBQ DRAGON GRILL STONE I was a able to get 4 8lb Pork Butts on there, with the SNS 2 Pork Butts. It’s not a wise decision IMHO, however it does have a Cult following and no matter what I say someone will get offended. Thanks for the support and watching. Congratulations on a great decision
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Have you ever tried those GrillGrates that seems to be popular for searing steaks? I'd love to hear your opinion on them.... thanks
Ruben Alvarez I haven’t tried The Grill Grates, but from what I gather they Are really good. They get extremely hot for searing and you can flip them over to use as a griddle, and they are supposed to prevent flare ups. I need to get some and do an OFFICIAL review.
@@meatcranium4280 Much appreciated!
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There's also this product for the Weber 26 (the 22 as well) called the Fire Butler. Been watching a few videos on them and it's definitely caught my attention. Have you seen this product? If so any opinions?
A couple of questions for you, why not measure temp at the level of where the food would be, rather than at coal level? The SNS thing has a solid metal wall between it and the probe vs the other coal baskets that had slots in the sides of them. So, wouldn't you expect the probe that is in with the Weber baskets to register hotter and for longer than the other?
For full disclosure, I own neither of these things but will be purchasing a grill in rhe near future, so these tests are quite informative. I sure there is a reason the test was done this way, but I don't know what that reason is.
Antoine Simmons First off thanks for the questions . ABC (Dave) himself uses the lower grate to cook on. The heat is going to act like convection and Swirl inside the cooking chamber. This has been brought up many times. There simply was not enough coals in the SNS for it to maintain temps any longer, at best it would have tied. Even a tie, the SNS STILL LOSES. You can Easily cover 2thin bricks with foil and place them over the slits in the 304 SS Charcoal baskets. Thanks for the questions, I hope I answered it good.
@@meatcranium4280 sure did. I'm late to this party. Did not realize this experiment was essentially a duplication of something done already. Makes sense now.
I like this video. I use the OG baskets as well. I'm not dropping $100 for some damn glorified charcoal basket..
Dre Day My feelings exactly. Thanks for the support and watching Brother
TMI Didn`t make since all at one time . Lost what you were talking about. BUT after the 12:35 mark made since. But Who`s Dave? I`m from NZ. Near the end lost track again. And don`t know who A.B.C. is
Dave Parrish of Adrenaline BBQ, now they go by the name SNS Grills. Dave Parrish’s Company SNS Grills makes The slow n scam errr. Slow n Sear
Thanks for this test! I have the baskets and don't want to spend 100 dollars for the slow and sear. Now I don't.
SNS is Crap. I have found other things out about it as well. Sticking with the baskets is a most excellent idea. Thanks for the support and commenting
Would you be able to test the weber heat controller. It looks kinda cool
Here is my thing
What do you have to gain by attacking another person's way of earning a living? You literally took money out of their pocket with this series and at one point you told people to go by a griddle somewhere else... Why? I love the comparison though thank you for doing it, just wish the expose' tone and trashing of the product and what not could have been left out.
desmund lighten After the owner tells me to Put Up or Shut Up because he refused to answer the simplest of question. He did it to himself. He literally asked for it. LITTERALY!! I don’t care who buys what, it’s your choice. If you want one get one. ME!! I’ll pass. Thanks for the comment
@@meatcranium4280 fair enough.
I like the way you do videos. Do you have a smoked turkey on the Weber video? Good idea since Thanksgiving is coming up. Just an idea.
Enter User Name Here. No I don’t have a Weber turkey Video. There are so many out there. If I make another Turkey it will be on my Barrel House Cooker. Thanks for the support and watching
Who hurt this man 🤣 entertaining but honestly I couldn't take the cringe off my face with the high school lunch room banter.
At least you thought it was entertaining. Lol
so question…other than longevity how do the 304 baskets compare to the weber? I mean do they hold about the same work about the same…the stainless just being a much nicer better made version?
I still have and use the 304 Weber baskets and they hold the same if not more than the SNS. The newer SNS’s are not 304 SS anymore, they went to a lesser 400 grade steel which is a downgrade of the 304.
SNS is definitely a marketing ploy to sell products at a higher price than much cheaper alternatives already on the market. That being said, I really do enjoy my SNS. If I didn’t get mine as a present, I’d be using the standard coal baskets and probably be just as happy.
I have been trying to sell mine and I will never use it. Thanks for the support and commenting.
I want a slow n sear! I love you Meathead
Kirby's Fishngrill HAHA!! It’s all good. It’s nice quality. I give the information you do what you want with it. Enjoy it. Thanks for the support and watching Brother
Do you have any tips for creating the bridge over the charcoal baskets please, I tried this yesterday but the 2nd basket didn't catch alight, first one went for almost 5 hours though, so assumed it had until i lifted the lid!!
Baskets need to be together tight, and stack the coals like dominos after they have fallen, or you can put 5 lit coals it one corner of one basket, and 5 lit coals in the corner of the other basket. Thanks for the support and watching.