Was going to say much the same. He so nailed it. Still the best best 'mania by a mile. We're still waiting on the next boom but I honestly think Vince lost an edge he'll never regain after WCW folded. If Vince was in stiff competition he would have had no choice but to go with Punk in 2011/Bryan in 2014/NXT invasion in 2010 even more. Now he can just pick Reigns who isn't that over because he likes him and there'll be no consequences.
Still remember going to this show. Got tickets for my 13th birthday. Such an amazing time. Good old days man. Never rush through your childhood man. Once it's gone, it's gone
I burst out laughing when I heard him. He was like many of the marks on the forums who will shit on anything WWE. X7 is pretty much still regarded as the best mania ever yet here you have a guy the same night saying it was rubbish.
40:10: "Vince is always on TV saying the reason the fans love us so much is that we listen to them" And he was right at the time. Watching this in 2015....how times have changed. "By God, I'm a monopoly and I can do whatever the Hell I want" "He doesn't ever to listen to the fans again" .......Sigh. How right they were.
Something that popped into my head a few days ago. WMX7 was at the Astrodome, it was packed and looked great on TV. The Nitro where the nWo 2000 formed was also booked at the Astrodome and boy there were curtains EVERYWHERE. Another example of how much money WCW was wasting in 1999.
Bix is totally the guy who smashes up his TV when his favourite looses and bitch online about "Booking" and how he could do much better. Creepy fucker.
I was at WrestleMania 17. I was at Fan Axxess. The entire weekend was amazing. A weekend I will never forget. The entire card was great!!! Everything was perfect except for the Austin heel turn. I felt it made the Austin/McMahon fued pointless.
Damn lol they buried the hell out of the Chyna/Ivory match. I didn't think the match was bad. It was a quick beating and short. Chyna was twice Ivory's size so yeah she should've killed Ivory. Chyna was hated like crazy in 2000/2001 lol jeez. And HHH got shit for never putting people over back in 2001. Years later, it's still the same haha
Jay Marks chyna was not hated she was over and a baby face and more popular then ever, Ivory was hated and got alot heat with the right to censored group, she was really hated. And Triple H now gets praised because he made NXT is huge and popular 3rd brand, that gets more better great reviews and are continually better then Raw and smackdown, Triple can book better and make wrestling much better then Vince McMahon, he is now liked by smart marks and IWC because of his amazing work in NXT and he owns NXT that's his baby. If Vince turns the wwe to Triple H, WWE would be much better and with better matches and storylines and bookings.
If a time machine ever is created and I can use it. I'm gonna travel back in time to when tickets went on sale for WrestleMania X-Seven then travel foward in time to the day before the event so i can go to this. I see the Astrodome and the place looks beautiful and the atmosphere looks amazing. And then the PPV itself was amazing, my favorite WrestleMania of all time and I wish I was born in the 80's so I could possibly go to this!!!
Noah I was 20 years old at the time. It was awesome time, especially the Attitude Era was the most amazing time to be part of as a teenager, I literally started my high school years in the beginning of the big boom period, golden era of pro wrestling, in 1996, when the Monday night wars started, and ended my high school year in the Attitude Era in 1999, my senior year in high school, 18 years old. A fun and incredible time you will never see again. I'm honored to have been around to see it and to watch Raw is War vs Monday night nitro back in forth. It was truly a magical time. 1996-2002. The glory days of pro wrestling. You never know it mite happen again, someday but in a different capacity with different characters and from a new modern era. But ratings will not go that high anymore, because today we have to meny Cable channels now, and social media, to meny people watching different things now, back then there was only a few channel's so everyone watched Monday Night Raw at a curtain time at night, because Raw was thing only thing on at the time. But nowadays the highest rated shows and television series and sitcoms like The Walking Dead and Empire get a 5.4 rating, that is considered huge and a high ratings today. Back in the Attitude Era, Monday night raw or Raw is War, highest rating was 9.3 and 8.4 and 7.7....television has completely changed since then and now they have hundreds of shows and reality shows and so meny Cable channels, WWE can't get everyones attention anymore because there is so much stuff in Television and social media is huge now, and you have to meny spoilers. Back then was were always surprised and shocked when wrestlers came from wcw to wwe and made there debuts. But people nowadays know ahead of time and tell everyone on RUclips. If WWE has another big boom period again it will get a 5.0 rating and higher, up to 5.9, that would be considered a golden era for today. But you won't see 9.3 rating and 20 million viewers each week again. Or a 7.7 rating, and 6.8 rating. That goes for anything on television not just WWE. It's a different landscape in Television now.
1:43 no because it wasn't supposed to be. It was a starter match to get the show going. If every match was a 30 minute spot fest, the crowd would get burnt out very quickly. Wrestlemania X-Seven was perfectly paced.
2001 A Wrestling Odyssey damn wrestlemania 17 was great stone cold won the wwe title from the rock but the next night on monday night raw where hhh joined austin and vince that was shocking
WE should have had austin vs rock hhh vs jericho undertaker vs angle benoit vs eddie for ic title tlc triple threat as it was ivory vs chyna was crap and i am glad chyna left the company shortly after this because I never enjoyed her work as a face or a heel. Funny how people did not understand why hhh lost to taker at a mania. The strek really did not become a big thing I think until wrestlemania 23 or 24. At this point underatker streak was not even a big thing yet.
Jack Sparrow man just be happy with what you fucking got, it's 16 years in the past so let it go. Fuck if I had it my way Austin would've never turned heel but I'm not bitching about it making hypothetical bookings. Fuck off moron.
The first time the undertaker wrestlemania streak was built into a story was wm 21 against orton. And the first time the announcers acknowledged it was wrestlemania 18.
#WM17 & #WM19 ARE THE TWO #GREATEST-WRESTLEMANIAS-IN-HISTORY #WM19 IS EVERY BIT AS GOOD AS #WM17 #WM20-WM30-ARE-AWESOME-TOO EXCEPT FOR #WM27 BEING HORRIBLE BESIDES #HHH-VS-UNDERTAKERII & #EDGE-VS-ADR-WORLDS-HEAVYWEIGHT-CHAMPIONSHIP & #CODY-VS-REY #CENA SHOULD'VE KILLED #MIZ & WON HIS #8TH-WWE-WORLD-HEAVYWEIGHT-CHAMPIONSHIP INSTEAD OF THE #BULLCRAP-FINISH
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19 sucks, the Austin rock match wasn’t exciting and with the rock being a cowardly weak heel it takes away the chance of a 5 star match like 17. Hogan McMahon was boring and slow. Michaels Jericho I agree is great but I still think angle Benoit was a lot better and entertaining. Hhh booker t was one of the worst title matches in wrestlemania. The first 4 matches weren’t exciting either. 17 had 7 great matches (4 being 5 star matches). 19 only had 1 good match
why is regal talked about as a great technical wrestler? He is sloppy and bumps weirdly to the side, etc. his entire wwe run at least i haven't seen a lot of him in his wcw days
If Austin didn't turn heel this would of been the best WrestleMania ever. I think 19, 14 are the best ever though, 17 is 3rd just because of the stupid Austin heel turn.
Steve Austin turning heel is one of the reasons why WM17 is the best WM ever. Steve Austin's SECOND heel turn in 2001 when he joined the Alliance is one of the reasons for pro wrestling's downfall in the fall of 2001. I'm pretty sure from your comment that you didn't watch WM17 LIVE, so you wouldn't understand why it was the best.
+June Amarillo I think I agree with you. While I don't feel post-heel turn was great, and Austin himself says it was mistake, the moment and event itself was one of the biggest swerves, perfectly sold by the commentators. On the other hand, we eventually got the comedic version of the Power Trip with Angle/Austin, which was amazing. Austin/Rock on the same team but as bitter enemies would have been so cool...
+Frightwolf And if you really wanna get technical, Austin was never really a face. Austin "turned face" in 1997 because of his feud with the anti American group the Hart Foundation. So of course American fans cheered for the crazed rattlesnake Steve Austin going up against the anti American Canadian group. Never in 1997 to early 2001 did the character of Steve Austin ever proclaim he cared for the fans or any baby faces. The WWE fans favorited Austin because he went up against heels like Shawn Michaels, Dude Love, Vince McMahon and The Rock, so of course we fans thought Austin was a face. We the fans forgot the character of Steve Austin was always a crazy rattlesnake that didn't care about anybody and he was gonna do what ever it took to be a champion. So of course a crazy man like the Stone Cold character joined forces with heels the likes of Vince McMahon, HHH and Stephanie McMahon as long as Stone Cold, not us the fans, got what he wanted.
James Forcum agreed. The end of the main event hurts so much to watch lol. Mainly the reason why I prefer the Wrestlemania 15 main event, it had the perfect ending - McMahon covered in beer, Austin standing with one foot on Vince and the WWF title in the air. Fuckin right SON.
June Amarillo sorry but the Austin heel turn ruined it for me and I stayed up til 4am to watch it live I loved it until that moment and I knew my love of wrestling ending was nothing more than a mere formality
@@aemusic8520 that heel turn literally made no sense, they turned him heel for the sake of turning him heel and to have a gigantic shocker which it was, but made no sense. In my school everyone talked about how that ruined scsa for them for a bit.
The caller who said, "This show is the punctuation mark of the wrestling boom," nailed it.
Was going to say much the same. He so nailed it. Still the best best 'mania by a mile.
We're still waiting on the next boom but I honestly think Vince lost an edge he'll never regain after WCW folded. If Vince was in stiff competition he would have had no choice but to go with Punk in 2011/Bryan in 2014/NXT invasion in 2010 even more. Now he can just pick Reigns who isn't that over because he likes him and there'll be no consequences.
@@tomm5352 5 years later he has competition and he's still done nothing to improve the product other than turn Roman heel
@@bigdaddyd6668 and cut about 3 companies worth of talent.
This is a piece of wrestling history, very rare to find reviews like this from the actual day of the event. 15 years already since Mania X-Seven
i wish F4W/WOL had these old audios archived for paying members.. sad :|
@@ovived88 why don't they?
@@VintageWrestlingFan good question
Over 13 years later & it's really an eye opener listening to some of these observations of arguably one of the greatest ppv's of all time.
It's been 18 years... But ok
@@PierceTravels I made that comment 5 years ago. Do the math...it was 13 years at that point.
@@IronFistLaw75 lol what a clown eh
Still remember going to this show. Got tickets for my 13th birthday. Such an amazing time. Good old days man. Never rush through your childhood man. Once it's gone, it's gone
Jay Marks couldn't agree more about your childhood comment
😢❤
That poor bastard who was dissapointed by the show... it never was this good again.
Now he tweets idiotic takes on twitter
32:59 Bix in New York: "TLC I liked, but was below expectations." 😂😂😂😂😂
Bix is a nerd
Seriously, that guy comes off like a complete loser.
Lmaooooooo
He’s a clown
Is this the parasite that shit himself at the MSG show before WM38? His section chanted "Wear a Diaper!" as he cried. Allegedly.
"It's a match that Hunter should've won"
Damn if only he knew...
That call around the 19:00 mark hit it exactly on the head
Interesting Taker's streak isn't mentioned, it wasn't a Thing yet!
Bryan sounds like Cornette after he fell from the scaffold
"They shouldn't give away the main event of Wrestlemania for free the next night on Raw". Would love to know how he reviewed next night's raw.
thriller2rayne your talking about that steel cage match correct?
Caller at 33:06 is going to be disappointed by every wrestling show ever.
I burst out laughing when I heard him. He was like many of the marks on the forums who will shit on anything WWE. X7 is pretty much still regarded as the best mania ever yet here you have a guy the same night saying it was rubbish.
LB1973 19 with Kurt vs Brock from Safeco was really good as well.
That is David Bixenspan, a SJW mark who contaminates social media today with limp wristed takes on wrestling.
@@JoeFromTomsRiver You know that Vince Mcmahon move script that went around a few months ago?
David Bixenspan made the whole thing up!
Joe FromTomsRiver
The worst was him making the case Taker is a white supremacist
40:10:
"Vince is always on TV saying the reason the fans love us so much is that we listen to them"
And he was right at the time. Watching this in 2015....how times have changed.
"By God, I'm a monopoly and I can do whatever the Hell I want"
"He doesn't ever to listen to the fans again"
.......Sigh. How right they were.
samsonlovesyou And this somehow rings even MORE true right now.
no he listens to the majority. Not loser marks
Oh because he didn’t listen to wannabe fantasy booking smarks ?🤣
crazy how they were praising this show for being longer when thats a huge annoyance in todays wrestling
Bryan sounds so nerdy here lol
Well he is a pretty nerdy fellow lol
Like a GEEK
Dave Meltzer on Vince McMahon at 40 min mark he has a monopoly he can do whatever he wants now. So true
I agree with Dave about the Undertaker match if i was reviewing it then. Knowing history thank God Taker won.
Something that popped into my head a few days ago. WMX7 was at the Astrodome, it was packed and looked great on TV. The Nitro where the nWo 2000 formed was also booked at the Astrodome and boy there were curtains EVERYWHERE. Another example of how much money WCW was wasting in 1999.
You know that Vince Mcmahon movie script that went around a few months ago?
David Bixenspan made the whole thing up!
Look or homeboy at 33:35 dislikes X7 it's TRUE you can't please some Mark's
Edit. Holy shit. That's David Bixenspan!!!!
DJ Tommy C. Who is that
34:35 Bix: "It's just not the blow-away show that you've been kind of pimping it as for the last half hour."
Bix has mental issues
I just realised that was him.
Bix is the worst on twitter
I had to stop following him when he accused Undertaker of being a white supremacist.
Bix is totally the guy who smashes up his TV when his favourite looses and bitch online about "Booking" and how he could do much better. Creepy fucker.
@@moriordan85 He's right though. Taker is a racist POS. Bix sucks but he was right there.
WrestleMania X-Seven is my favorite WrestleMania! No other WrestleMania has topped this WrestleMania nor has any other PPV!
Knowing How Things Turned Out; I bet Dave feels differently now about Undertaker winning.
I was at WrestleMania 17. I was at Fan Axxess. The entire weekend was amazing. A weekend I will never forget. The entire card was great!!! Everything was perfect except for the Austin heel turn. I felt it made the Austin/McMahon fued pointless.
X-Pac complained to Hunter to get on the show...lol
Correction. He got on the pre-show haha
Lol.
+Travis McDonald Heat on mtv
Dave BixOfRedemption here has the worst opinions ever
Damn Bix lmao
Can't believe this was going on that long ago wow lol
8:00 is that "Ed in San Antonio"?
Notice how Dave never stutters here
Thank you
Damn lol they buried the hell out of the Chyna/Ivory match. I didn't think the match was bad. It was a quick beating and short. Chyna was twice Ivory's size so yeah she should've killed Ivory. Chyna was hated like crazy in 2000/2001 lol jeez. And HHH got shit for never putting people over back in 2001. Years later, it's still the same haha
Jay Marks chyna was not hated she was over and a baby face and more popular then ever, Ivory was hated and got alot heat with the right to censored group, she was really hated. And Triple H now gets praised because he made NXT is huge and popular 3rd brand, that gets more better great reviews and are continually better then Raw and smackdown, Triple can book better and make wrestling much better then Vince McMahon, he is now liked by smart marks and IWC because of his amazing work in NXT and he owns NXT that's his baby. If Vince turns the wwe to Triple H, WWE would be much better and with better matches and storylines and bookings.
Youre too young to know, he is talking about Chyna was not liked backstage!!! in real life in 2000 and 2001
I so wanted vince and trish to stay together and leave linda sedated
They sound just as toxic as they are today
Lol how? He was more energetic and happy here
If a time machine ever is created and I can use it. I'm gonna travel back in time to when tickets went on sale for WrestleMania X-Seven then travel foward in time to the day before the event so i can go to this. I see the Astrodome and the place looks beautiful and the atmosphere looks amazing. And then the PPV itself was amazing, my favorite WrestleMania of all time and I wish I was born in the 80's so I could possibly go to this!!!
Noah I was 20 years old at the time. It was awesome time, especially the Attitude Era was the most amazing time to be part of as a teenager, I literally started my high school years in the beginning of the big boom period, golden era of pro wrestling, in 1996, when the Monday night wars started, and ended my high school year in the Attitude Era in 1999, my senior year in high school, 18 years old. A fun and incredible time you will never see again. I'm honored to have been around to see it and to watch Raw is War vs Monday night nitro back in forth. It was truly a magical time. 1996-2002. The glory days of pro wrestling. You never know it mite happen again, someday but in a different capacity with different characters and from a new modern era. But ratings will not go that high anymore, because today we have to meny Cable channels now, and social media, to meny people watching different things now, back then there was only a few channel's so everyone watched Monday Night Raw at a curtain time at night, because Raw was thing only thing on at the time. But nowadays the highest rated shows and television series and sitcoms like The Walking Dead and Empire get a 5.4 rating, that is considered huge and a high ratings today. Back in the Attitude Era, Monday night raw or Raw is War, highest rating was 9.3 and 8.4 and 7.7....television has completely changed since then and now they have hundreds of shows and reality shows and so meny Cable channels, WWE can't get everyones attention anymore because there is so much stuff in Television and social media is huge now, and you have to meny spoilers. Back then was were always surprised and shocked when wrestlers came from wcw to wwe and made there debuts. But people nowadays know ahead of time and tell everyone on RUclips. If WWE has another big boom period again it will get a 5.0 rating and higher, up to 5.9, that would be considered a golden era for today. But you won't see 9.3 rating and 20 million viewers each week again. Or a 7.7 rating, and 6.8 rating. That goes for anything on television not just WWE. It's a different landscape in Television now.
@@junegiovanni6475 your spelling needs some work brother but I appreciate your story. Looks like wrestling is finally heating up again on TNT
good video
1:43 no because it wasn't supposed to be. It was a starter match to get the show going. If every match was a 30 minute spot fest, the crowd would get burnt out very quickly. Wrestlemania X-Seven was perfectly paced.
20:40 and they did have the same main event the next night on Raw in a cage 😂
“ 10 extra dollars for another hour of wrestling“ does anyone know how much mania tickets were in 2001?
They were referencing that X7 cost $40 on PPV, as opposed to the $29.99 for the usual PPV
@@Redhotshawntexas ohh I see, thank you 🫡
@@user-im8ru2bt7u 🤙
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Dave Meltzer all fanboy out praises wm17 but shits on it in 2018 gtfoh bro
What did he say?
Can you please upload the WrestleMania 30 review?
Im not subscribed to the Observer website, just have access to some old shows
2001 A Wrestling Odyssey damn wrestlemania 17 was great stone cold won the wwe title from the rock but the next night on monday night raw where hhh joined austin and vince that was shocking
Brian voice😅😅
Amazing how much estrogen they had in their voices, especially Gymnast Bryan.
WE should have had
austin vs rock
hhh vs jericho
undertaker vs angle
benoit vs eddie for ic title
tlc triple threat as it was
ivory vs chyna was crap and i am glad chyna left the company shortly after this because I never enjoyed her work as a face or a heel.
Funny how people did not understand why hhh lost to taker at a mania. The strek really did not become a big thing I think until wrestlemania 23 or 24. At this point underatker streak was not even a big thing yet.
Jack Sparrow man just be happy with what you fucking got, it's 16 years in the past so let it go. Fuck if I had it my way Austin would've never turned heel but I'm not bitching about it making hypothetical bookings. Fuck off moron.
The first time the undertaker wrestlemania streak was built into a story was wm 21 against orton. And the first time the announcers acknowledged it was wrestlemania 18.
If you dont know something, dont say it. Stop spreading misinformation. Takers streak was brought up much much before 23
Top 3 best WWE ppv's of all time BUT it was the beginning of 1 of the worst angles (heel Austin) in WWE history
WM17 is the best PPV of all time
#WM17 & #WM19 ARE THE TWO #GREATEST-WRESTLEMANIAS-IN-HISTORY #WM19 IS EVERY BIT AS GOOD AS #WM17 #WM20-WM30-ARE-AWESOME-TOO EXCEPT FOR #WM27 BEING HORRIBLE BESIDES #HHH-VS-UNDERTAKERII & #EDGE-VS-ADR-WORLDS-HEAVYWEIGHT-CHAMPIONSHIP & #CODY-VS-REY #CENA SHOULD'VE KILLED #MIZ & WON HIS #8TH-WWE-WORLD-HEAVYWEIGHT-CHAMPIONSHIP INSTEAD OF THE #BULLCRAP-FINISH
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IT'S PERFECTLY #READABLE YOUR JUST A #LIL-SLOW-LOL #GODBLESS MY #LIGHT-UP YOURS IS A #CHILDISH-MESS BUT WHATEVER! DON'T LIKE IT #DONT-READ-IT OR #REPLY #PLAIN-AND-SIMPLE
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WHAT YOU REPORTED ME FOR #SPAM??? YOUR A #DRY-SNITCHING-LIL-PUNK I DON'T #SPAM-ANYTHING
19 sucks, the Austin rock match wasn’t exciting and with the rock being a cowardly weak heel it takes away the chance of a 5 star match like 17. Hogan McMahon was boring and slow. Michaels Jericho I agree is great but I still think angle Benoit was a lot better and entertaining. Hhh booker t was one of the worst title matches in wrestlemania. The first 4 matches weren’t exciting either. 17 had 7 great matches (4 being 5 star matches). 19 only had 1 good match
why is regal talked about as a great technical wrestler? He is sloppy and bumps weirdly to the side, etc. his entire wwe run at least i haven't seen a lot of him in his wcw days
I'll never understand why the marks love him so much. There's a reason why he was never a star. He sucks
old shows idia
If Austin didn't turn heel this would of been the best WrestleMania ever. I think 19, 14 are the best ever though, 17 is 3rd just because of the stupid Austin heel turn.
Steve Austin turning heel is one of the reasons why WM17 is the best WM ever. Steve Austin's SECOND heel turn in 2001 when he joined the Alliance is one of the reasons for pro wrestling's downfall in the fall of 2001. I'm pretty sure from your comment that you didn't watch WM17 LIVE, so you wouldn't understand why it was the best.
+June Amarillo I think I agree with you. While I don't feel post-heel turn was great, and Austin himself says it was mistake, the moment and event itself was one of the biggest swerves, perfectly sold by the commentators.
On the other hand, we eventually got the comedic version of the Power Trip with Angle/Austin, which was amazing. Austin/Rock on the same team but as bitter enemies would have been so cool...
+Frightwolf And if you really wanna get technical, Austin was never really a face. Austin "turned face" in 1997 because of his feud with the anti American group the Hart Foundation. So of course American fans cheered for the crazed rattlesnake Steve Austin going up against the anti American Canadian group. Never in 1997 to early 2001 did the character of Steve Austin ever proclaim he cared for the fans or any baby faces.
The WWE fans favorited Austin because he went up against heels like Shawn Michaels, Dude Love, Vince McMahon and The Rock, so of course we fans thought Austin was a face. We the fans forgot the character of Steve Austin was always a crazy rattlesnake that didn't care about anybody and he was gonna do what ever it took to be a champion. So of course a crazy man like the Stone Cold character joined forces with heels the likes of Vince McMahon, HHH and Stephanie McMahon as long as Stone Cold, not us the fans, got what he wanted.
James Forcum agreed. The end of the main event hurts so much to watch lol. Mainly the reason why I prefer the Wrestlemania 15 main event, it had the perfect ending - McMahon covered in beer, Austin standing with one foot on Vince and the WWF title in the air. Fuckin right SON.
June Amarillo sorry but the Austin heel turn ruined it for me and I stayed up til 4am to watch it live I loved it until that moment and I knew my love of wrestling ending was nothing more than a mere formality
I still feel 14 and 19 were far better than 17.
I agree 100%. If Austin didn't turn heel 17 would of been one of the best in my opinion. His heel turn ruined it.
+James Forcum I loved the heel turn, the way it went down though was lame.
@@aemusic8520 that heel turn literally made no sense, they turned him heel for the sake of turning him heel and to have a gigantic shocker which it was, but made no sense. In my school everyone talked about how that ruined scsa for them for a bit.