Fair dinkum.........what a beaut clip indeed, sure brings back some fond memories from those years and thank you kindly for sharing. It's just such a shame what rationalisation and privatisation (thanks to government) has done to our railways now days, they're just not the same anymore.
Anyone with in an interest in things to do with the railways of NSW would be wondering why on earth the 86’s became redundant. And this is pretty recent history - loco hauled passenger trains, freights running at speed (hauled by electric traction) - it all went horribly wrong somewhere! I’m showing my age I suppose when I’m getting nostalgia pangs from watching candy coloured loco hauled trains! Great video series appreciated by all I’m certain 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I think one aspect was privatisation and the difficulty in ascertaining who would be using how much of the power. A stupid reason, I know, but many of them seem to be.
Apparently the 86's were developing some rather bad cracks in their frames due to being overworked on the coal trains. The nail in the coffin was Cityrail over-charging for power.
@@andrewr2825 Last I heard most were at Broken Hill being cut up for scrap. I think there are 2 being used by Sydney Trains for underground maintainance trains.
@@peejay1981 The frames were built to fit within very strict weight restrictions required by the SRA. When built, it turned out they were a few tonnes under the weight limit, so ballast was added to improve traction.
In 1990 there was a big rush to qualify drivers from Port Waratah area to learn 46 and 86 class locomotives to work freight to Sydney not many years after they were all gone.
Must have been working on the overhead, I guess. Now they'd use buses. Interesting that the Grafton train had electric haulage, though. I'm wondering if that went through the city and over the bridge. It did sometimes.
@@BelbinVideo I have a feeling the V Sets were transfers, unless they were operated without air conditioning or lighting, etc., or from some power source from the loco.
@@PBeringer Why is one stopping then with what appears to be a working guard? And so many transfers in one day, and in 1993? I'd bet working on the overhead.
@@neilo316 I didn't actually notice the guard. It did cross my mind that it would be a lot of transfers for a single day - or even a week. It's probably right that the overhead was off somewhere along the route the V-Sets were taking, but I just don't know what they'd be doing for power (for example, the diesel-hauled S-Sets on the Illawarra had generators in the unused drivers' cabs to provide power for doors and lights, etc.). I've always found it kinda surprising that diesel locos (to my knowledge) don't have an auxiliary power supply jumper for a measly 120 or 240VAC, or whatever's required for interior electrics .
6:05 you can see water coming out from underneath the DFT car the 1970 DDIUs didnt have retention toilets so everything would just fall onto the tracks
Back when vegetation was ACTUALLY controlled, the trains were frequent and a video camera was a rarity. Love the video.
How good did the XPT look in its original colours. Hope one set gets preserved that way.
The 46 classes did a lot of work but they were rough riders and had no toilet.
Cool to see thoes loco hauled V sets !
Memories of Hornsby to Hawkesbury River. Thanks for the upload.
Lovely bit of archive!
Fair dinkum.........what a beaut clip indeed, sure brings back some fond memories from those years and thank you kindly for sharing. It's just such a shame what rationalisation and privatisation (thanks to government) has done to our railways now days, they're just not the same anymore.
Anyone with in an interest in things to do with the railways of NSW would be wondering why on earth the 86’s became redundant. And this is pretty recent history - loco hauled passenger trains, freights running at speed (hauled by electric traction) - it all went horribly wrong somewhere! I’m showing my age I suppose when I’m getting nostalgia pangs from watching candy coloured loco hauled trains! Great video series appreciated by all I’m certain 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I think one aspect was privatisation and the difficulty in ascertaining who would be using how much of the power. A stupid reason, I know, but many of them seem to be.
Apparently the 86's were developing some rather bad cracks in their frames due to being overworked on the coal trains. The nail in the coffin was Cityrail over-charging for power.
Thanks Paul. I’m curious why they seem to be withdrawn. Are they laying idle somewhere? I always liked the design of them.
@@andrewr2825 Last I heard most were at Broken Hill being cut up for scrap. I think there are 2 being used by Sydney Trains for underground maintainance trains.
@@peejay1981 The frames were built to fit within very strict weight restrictions required by the SRA. When built, it turned out they were a few tonnes under the weight limit, so ballast was added to improve traction.
Great loco the 46 class.
Definitely curious as to why there are locomotive-hauled V sets toward the start of the video
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why are the V-sets locomotive hauled? especially when there are wires overhead
In 1993, who would have ever thought that the electrics would be gone barely a decade later
but why?
In 1990 there was a big rush to qualify drivers from Port Waratah area to learn 46 and 86 class locomotives to work freight to Sydney not many years after they were all gone.
What's pouring out of the side of the V set at 6:05? Wheel smoke? toilet water?
Yes, freedy1001, a toilet flush.
Um I wonder how come the deasels were hauling the v sets for
hang on the first1 minute all your showing is diesel haul with 1 train Electric or am i missing something.miss the old 46/86 class some nice video too
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2:27 what horn is this?
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why are diesels pulling the V sets?
WAs there much difference in power between electric loco and diesel loco
I wish more people to watch your camera work as it’s too see both the locomotives and the train it’s self !!!!!!!!!!?
Why are diesels pulling V sets?
Must have been working on the overhead, I guess. Now they'd use buses. Interesting that the Grafton train had electric haulage, though. I'm wondering if that went through the city and over the bridge. It did sometimes.
@@BelbinVideo I have a feeling the V Sets were transfers, unless they were operated without air conditioning or lighting, etc., or from some power source from the loco.
@@PBeringer Why is one stopping then with what appears to be a working guard? And so many transfers in one day, and in 1993? I'd bet working on the overhead.
Next clip is twin 86's working, the Newcastle Flyer maybe? (still operating in 93?) Maybe the videos were filmed on different days?
@@neilo316 I didn't actually notice the guard. It did cross my mind that it would be a lot of transfers for a single day - or even a week. It's probably right that the overhead was off somewhere along the route the V-Sets were taking, but I just don't know what they'd be doing for power (for example, the diesel-hauled S-Sets on the Illawarra had generators in the unused drivers' cabs to provide power for doors and lights, etc.). I've always found it kinda surprising that diesel locos (to my knowledge) don't have an auxiliary power supply jumper for a measly 120 or 240VAC, or whatever's required for interior electrics .
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6:05 you can see water coming out from underneath the DFT car the 1970 DDIUs didnt have retention toilets so everything would just fall onto the tracks