Chris, it’s possible to calculate exactly how much front weight you need. Here’s how: Put your bathroom scale under a rear wheel and measure the weight with you sitting in the cart. Say it’s 200 lbs per wheel. Now measure the front wheel weight. Maybe it’s 75 lbs with you in it. So at the moment the front wheels lift, the total load on the rear axle is 200x2+75x2=550 lbs. Now those rear wheels are 16” in diameter, so that’s an 8” lever arm. The best traction possible is about 1,. Now measure the wheelbase, say that’s 60”. So the front axle weight needs to be at least 8/60*550=73 lbs. Of course, use your actual numbers.
@@travisraplee6648 the engine torque, plus the gearing, is assumed to be more than enough to lift the front wheels, or spin the rear tires. If the torque were lower than this, then the front wheels would never lift.
Hopefully you can find yourself a good piece of land with shop near by, give yourself some more room to enjoy your builds for testing and bring us all this amazing content in a newer form, keep up the great work!
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You could make the upper bars length adjustable and lock them with a bolt with butterfly nut to adjust overall height of the wheely bar. The farther forward you install those weights, the more they will help keep the front down.
Interesting idea, could you just make one set of wheely bars that are the right length so that you could just flip 'em upside down to switch between wheelie mode and non-wheelie mode?
Wow man that reminds me when I was a young boy my people had a cottage up north in Michigan mini bikes motorcycle trail bikes go-karts speed boats water skiing that's a part of my life I'll never forget thanks
*Only idea , on wheelie bar , lower bars mounted with flexable joints and upper use a adjustable coil over shock so not to kill your back and have some adjustment ?
Would be cool if the wheelie bar could be removed and turned up-side-down, to have that second angle. This way you wouldn't need to carry a second bar, just rotate the it. Super awesome build tho Brother. Be safe :)
That central weight is adding traction to the rear tires, I bet it does a better burn-out without it, or better yet stick that weight in front of the front frame cross member.
Truckers use load binders to tighten chains that hold their loads down. With less than $100 and a little welding and modification, you can adjust the wheel from 0" to about 6" or more. Farm tractors with 3-point hitches have a top link. One day later: I was at HF today. They had one of those 3-point top links that are used to adjust the 3-point attachments. Looked extremely well built. $23
Why didn't you take the longer piece and weld brackets to the front of the frame, and then hang it off the front? The further forward you put the weight the better it'll be.
I'd just figure out front brakes. More room and 2 more wheels to share the load. That thing is a beast. I've seen people drag race snowmobiles at the drag strip and they will outrun most cars
Hell Yeah Brother! You have got to take that thing to a drag strip! I can't wait to see you test that monster kart! That's no longer a "Go-Kart" with that engine it's a "Gone-Kart!"
Seems like the wheelbase coulda been extended moving the seat forward. Would also give space to add a jackshaft and more brake behind the seat. Also seems like the first wheelie bar could have been made to be flipped for each position. My prospective from a 6" screen..
This thing is crazy ! I think that next projects should be a dragster vehicle or a mini drift car (i would love to watch you build a drift car in the future with the skills you have). I am watching you from Greece.Good job and keep going ;)
That thing looks soooo damn fun!! My family has about 20+ snowmobiles up north and I need to get one to make something like this for down south here in AR.
Slot the rotor on your brakes and it will stop better. Your not running it on a track so your not getting abusive break heat heat so slot that rotor up good and that should be an a good upgrade
Nice job...with four symmetrical mounts you probably could have figured out a way to just turn the wheelie bars upside down and got the same effect...basically a right triangle. Looks like a blast to drive!
You could put in a chain driven jack shaft with the brake disk on it. It's not an eloquent solution but it allows for a lot more placement options and a significantly larger disk. Some of the subaru wagons have a e brake that goes to the front wheels instead of the rear. One of these disks and calipers will give you options for cable or hydraulic brakes.
I love how you test the wheelie bar, just lift it with controlled violence and maximum muscle contraction and it comes out of such immediate shock in just as good shape as it went in so logically speaking it must be pretty good as a wheelie bar, its the way I think too and its worked pretty well :P
I couldn't wait until you bought out this project again. my kart has quite a few of the same issues as that one. I burnt the brakes off of it the last time I took it out. so I'm working on that. I also have a problem with it being too lite in the front. it works fine on the pavement and hard dirt. but it won't steer on the grass. I'm going take a 3"X3" square tube and fill it with lead. I should be able to come up with about eighty or ninety pounds in a pretty small space.
You might look at how general aviation aircraft brakes are set up. Might be able to get dual brakes set up designing something similar. A good example you can search… Cleveland wheels and brakes. Basically they are designed into the wheel rim with minimal clearance outside of the wheel. They do it to reduce drag primarily, but similar application might work for you.
You need to tackle the debris problem just outside the RBW shed door! LMFAO every time you did it! Doh! I just new, you were gonna stop and comment on the mess you made but you never did......LOL!
Awesome piece of machine you build, if the front doesn't stay down you can try adding little more weight on the tip of the nose, up there a little goes a long way
IMO you could make a adaptor for that second wheelie bar and have a spoiler in the back.. That would look pretty cool i would think, almost like a Pikes Peak runner.
Hey Chris I love your videos!! You may want to look into the wheelie bar have springs so that when I makes contact with the ground it can pivot into a spring so that all of the load isn’t slammed into the frame at once. If you come up hard enough it’s going to try to lift the rear axle off of the ground as well. Just a thought.
Cool Build, got to love the 2 Stroke power! I can just imagine how crazy that triple is on that tiny light Kart!! I have a 540 snowmobile powered Kart that's 700lbs and its fast!
Great work! Why not make the bottom 2 joint rotate over the bottom part of the cage (a bigger tube over a smaller tube). Than do the same for top part on the tyre end. And make the top part on the frame end a rod or plate with adjustment holes where you can attach a bolt or quick release pin through the top cage.
Rather than add weight to the front (also worried about the poor spindles), I would have gone with slicks for donuts etc. Shame you couldn't have made a wheelie bar that could be flipped upside down to change modes. Awesome build though!!
That thing is a weapon man, thanks heaps for the videos you do, really awesome builds, just sayin man, think you are under rated that's for sure! cheers from Australia
Love the build, you may want to spin your can on the exhaust around so its facing down, oil can build up in there and run out of the tip, if it's up side down the oil has no place to go.
So, how many times did you sweep the floor? Lol. Love the exhaust on that thing! When you first laid your hand on it after the intro I cringed because I thought it was hot! When your skin didn’t stick to it, I realized you must have shot the vid in a different sequence. 👍🇺🇸
I always enjoy your videos. You make some really interesting vehicles. I can't help but wonder , with as many vehicles as you have made, and the longstanding issues you have had with the neighbor, how you have been unable to locate a testing location.
I'd recommend taking the front brakes and all of the components from a quad and getting them to work on this. You could even use the rear brake setup as well.
I had one of those engines in my XLT SKS, they are very finicky engines. I ended up giving it to my buddy who makes things out of other things, much like you. I got tired of it not running right once off the trailer, literally after running perfect in the shop.
You can make your disk out of thicker steel to help with break fad but it won't help stopping power, you need diameter for that. also remove the mill scale for better grip.
Watching you build the two sets of wheelie bars, I realized that you could build one triangled brace. The offset would be enough to keep the front end on the ground. The remove and flip it over to allow for max wheelies. Of course, you would have to build a quick release system to make it perfect. I hope this is clear enough. I have PD have trouble with wrds
i would love to see this thing with triple pipes and a epi clutch kit, when i threw triple pipes and an epi clutch kit in my XLT 600 it was a pretty noticeable difference
Weld some tubing that is slightly bigger than the tubing that you have for the wheelie bar on the upper part of the frame above the motor and on the bottom and make it so that you can slide it through and put a flip pen on the opposite end for quick release
Thought about steering in the little wheelie bar? Could do crazy 8's, lol. If not the wheel itself maybe where the bar mounts to the frame could swivel on one side and lever on the other. Then you could keep it straight up for miles of curves and traffic, heh heh. gg with the bar stock for weight.
I would be worried about the front spindles letting go, when you dropped the kart you can see how much they flexed. A front mounted disc would add some support at least.
Looks nuts but the best place is for that thing is cars and cameras they're have room for it they have something like that they have been working on with a snowmobile engine on it you should race them
Chris, it’s possible to calculate exactly how much front weight you need. Here’s how: Put your bathroom scale under a rear wheel and measure the weight with you sitting in the cart. Say it’s 200 lbs per wheel. Now measure the front wheel weight. Maybe it’s 75 lbs with you in it. So at the moment the front wheels lift, the total load on the rear axle is 200x2+75x2=550 lbs. Now those rear wheels are 16” in diameter, so that’s an 8” lever arm. The best traction possible is about 1,. Now measure the wheelbase, say that’s 60”. So the front axle weight needs to be at least 8/60*550=73 lbs. Of course, use your actual numbers.
What about engine torque? I'd say your not gonna get a good idea of how much weight is necessary without factoring in rotating torque.
@@travisraplee6648 the engine torque, plus the gearing, is assumed to be more than enough to lift the front wheels, or spin the rear tires. If the torque were lower than this, then the front wheels would never lift.
I love his laugh so much, and he's right, that thing is nuts!
Hopefully you can find yourself a good piece of land with shop near by, give yourself some more room to enjoy your builds for testing and bring us all this amazing content in a newer form, keep up the great work!
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Couldn't have said it better!
Part of the charm of his content, is what he can build in this little shed...
Keep liking and commenting and sharing his videos and we all can help him and other super cool creative people get to there dream shops!
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Always a great Sunday with a Rather Be Welding video! Can't wait to see the other projects finished up! The sled kart, is an absolute rocket!
You could make the upper bars length adjustable and lock them with a bolt with butterfly nut to adjust overall height of the wheely bar.
The farther forward you install those weights, the more they will help keep the front down.
You laughing at 16:35! That shit had me laughing. You transformed into an 8 year old on Christmas morning.
Priceless brother!!
😂😂
Just redo the front spindles to have front breaks. I dont wanna see you die man. This thing definitely needs better breaks
Or brakes, whatever they are...
Interesting idea, could you just make one set of wheely bars that are the right length so that you could just flip 'em upside down to switch between wheelie mode and non-wheelie mode?
Wow man that reminds me when I was a young boy my people had a cottage up north in Michigan mini bikes motorcycle trail bikes go-karts speed boats water skiing that's a part of my life I'll never forget thanks
*Only idea , on wheelie bar , lower bars mounted with flexable joints and upper use a adjustable coil over shock so not to kill your back and have some adjustment ?
Agree. I did that on a drift trike I made in to a sand hill climber. It helps a LOT
Would be cool if the wheelie bar could be removed and turned up-side-down, to have that second angle. This way you wouldn't need to carry a second bar, just rotate the it. Super awesome build tho Brother. Be safe :)
Just what I was going to comment 👍
Thinking the same thing
Was just about to comment that, wouldn’t be hard if it was mounted with pins, just unpin flip over and pin it back
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@@zero99ification Totally agree my friend :)
Rather B Welding has become a Sunday tradition for me. Another awesome video!
I was cringing when that steel hit the glass scale 😆. Great video man
That central weight is adding traction to the rear tires, I bet it does a better burn-out without it, or better yet stick that weight in front of the front frame cross member.
Great work! Glad to see the fire extinguisher in arms reach, super smart.
Truckers use load binders to tighten chains that hold their loads down. With less than $100 and a little welding and modification, you can adjust the wheel from 0" to about 6" or more. Farm tractors with 3-point hitches have a top link. One day later: I was at HF today. They had one of those 3-point top links that are used to adjust the 3-point attachments. Looked extremely well built. $23
Why didn't you take the longer piece and weld brackets to the front of the frame, and then hang it off the front? The further forward you put the weight the better it'll be.
Added nice badass winch to the front of it. That way you can take the wheelie bar off and make it look like a badass off-road go-kart.
I instantly hit the like button with an opening to a video like that! This thing is awesome! Nothing beats the sound of a triple!
Very impressive one of top best go-karts on youtube No Doubt .
That thing is nuts. It's a freakin death trap. I want one. LOL
LOL. “Let’s worry about the brakes later,right now we need wheelie bars!”
I'd just figure out front brakes. More room and 2 more wheels to share the load. That thing is a beast. I've seen people drag race snowmobiles at the drag strip and they will outrun most cars
Hell Yeah Brother! You have got to take that thing to a drag strip!
I can't wait to see you test that monster kart!
That's no longer a "Go-Kart" with that engine it's a "Gone-Kart!"
By far one of the baddest things you've built I love it
That thing is just badass!
So nice to see nothing has changed in 4 years, just bigger toys lmao
Seems like the wheelbase coulda been extended moving the seat forward. Would also give space to add a jackshaft and more brake behind the seat.
Also seems like the first wheelie bar could have been made to be flipped for each position.
My prospective from a 6" screen..
nice launches
I have been waiting ALL day. That thing is amazing.
Should've made a double tube removable front bumper out of that round stock, would've looked better and kept the weight as far forward as possible
@10:00 Lady walking down the street with dog “What the hell is going on? Is he spawning satan in that shed??”
Good vid man. It's all about those smiles per hour. Keep up the great work.
Thanks for having a brother that welds
there is usually a spring or some sort of compression on the top link to cushion up and down movement of the cart doing wheelies
This thing is crazy ! I think that next projects should be a dragster vehicle or a mini drift car (i would love to watch you build a drift car in the future with the skills you have). I am watching you from Greece.Good job and keep going ;)
I'm happy to see this happen, now I can't wait for the real test.
Maybe try it like tractor pull they have the weights across the front end where you can take them off if need be
Love this thing! Now I know what to do with my old snowmobile! Thanks
That thing looks soooo damn fun!! My family has about 20+ snowmobiles up north and I need to get one to make something like this for down south here in AR.
The exhaust is sooooo close, roasties imminent!
Good work on the remembering turning
Slot the rotor on your brakes and it will stop better. Your not running it on a track so your not getting abusive break heat heat so slot that rotor up good and that should be an a good upgrade
Nice job...with four symmetrical mounts you probably could have figured out a way to just turn the wheelie bars upside down and got the same effect...basically a right triangle. Looks like a blast to drive!
I love this build, great work
Hahaha! That opening was gold!! So freakin awesome!! 🤣
That thing is crazy fast. Like you gotta be crazy to ride it.
You could put in a chain driven jack shaft with the brake disk on it. It's not an eloquent solution but it allows for a lot more placement options and a significantly larger disk. Some of the subaru wagons have a e brake that goes to the front wheels instead of the rear. One of these disks and calipers will give you options for cable or hydraulic brakes.
Research clutch adjustment you can change the weights and springs in the clutch so it engages hard at higher rpm like a drag snowmobile
I love how you test the wheelie bar, just lift it with controlled violence and maximum muscle contraction and it comes out of such immediate shock in just as good shape as it went in so logically speaking it must be pretty good as a wheelie bar, its the way I think too and its worked pretty well :P
That thing rips!🔥🔥👍
Could you theoretically add another jackshaft and just build it for a brake disc and caliper? Just asking on this one
Yes but if the chain brakes on that jack shaft then the brakes would go along with it.
@@FukTheGovernment465 I see your point there. Just a thought. I appreciate the insight
@@justinmoran9866 No problem man.
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I couldn't wait until you bought out this project again. my kart has quite a few of the same issues as that one. I burnt the brakes off of it the last time I took it out. so I'm working on that. I also have a problem with it being too lite in the front. it works fine on the pavement and hard dirt. but it won't steer on the grass. I'm going take a 3"X3" square tube and fill it with lead. I should be able to come up with about eighty or ninety pounds in a pretty small space.
You might look at how general aviation aircraft brakes are set up. Might be able to get dual brakes set up designing something similar. A good example you can search… Cleveland wheels and brakes. Basically they are designed into the wheel rim with minimal clearance outside of the wheel. They do it to reduce drag primarily, but similar application might work for you.
Go twin discs on the back,it rips hard,i love it, love the channel and keep it up mate 👌
You need to tackle the debris problem just outside the RBW shed door! LMFAO every time you did it! Doh! I just new, you were gonna stop and comment on the mess you made but you never did......LOL!
Awesome piece of machine you build, if the front doesn't stay down you can try adding little more weight on the tip of the nose, up there a little goes a long way
I really like it you did a great job on that
You could use 1 wheelie bar just make is able to unbolt and flip the wheelie bar up side down for a different height
best bet is to add front brakes, but in the meantime you could combat the brake fade with some air ducting to cool them down
More weight means more brakes!
IMO you could make a adaptor for that second wheelie bar and have a spoiler in the back.. That would look pretty cool i would think, almost like a Pikes Peak runner.
Hell yeah dude love it
Hey Chris I love your videos!! You may want to look into the wheelie bar have springs so that when I makes contact with the ground it can pivot into a spring so that all of the load isn’t slammed into the frame at once. If you come up hard enough it’s going to try to lift the rear axle off of the ground as well. Just a thought.
Cool Build, got to love the 2 Stroke power! I can just imagine how crazy that triple is on that tiny light Kart!! I have a 540 snowmobile powered Kart that's 700lbs and its fast!
Great work! Why not make the bottom 2 joint rotate over the bottom part of the cage (a bigger tube over a smaller tube).
Than do the same for top part on the tyre end. And make the top part on the frame end a rod or plate with adjustment holes where you can attach a bolt or quick release pin through the top cage.
You could put the lower on a pivot and make the upper bar adjustable and you can adjust on the fly with a telescoping arm. Best of luck great videos
Hey you can use a door hinge on the top bar with the wheel attached and on the bottom bar have a bar sticking out to where you want the wheel
You can get hydraulic front disk brakes for gokarts.
Rather than add weight to the front (also worried about the poor spindles), I would have gone with slicks for donuts etc. Shame you couldn't have made a wheelie bar that could be flipped upside down to change modes. Awesome build though!!
That thing is a weapon man, thanks heaps for the videos you do, really awesome builds, just sayin man, think you are under rated that's for sure! cheers from Australia
Love the build, you may want to spin your can on the exhaust around so its facing down, oil can build up in there and run out of the tip, if it's up side down the oil has no place to go.
@Quirin M. what does that have to do with what I am saying?
@Quirin M. 🤣🤣 good old YT
You will be doing wheelies like crazy
So, how many times did you sweep the floor? Lol. Love the exhaust on that thing! When you first laid your hand on it after the intro I cringed because I thought it was hot! When your skin didn’t stick to it, I realized you must have shot the vid in a different sequence. 👍🇺🇸
Bro this thing is so sick 🤙🏼🤙🏼🤙🏼
A short travel adjustable damped wheelie bar would be luxury.
I always enjoy your videos. You make some really interesting vehicles. I can't help but wonder , with as many vehicles as you have made, and the longstanding issues you have had with the neighbor, how you have been unable to locate a testing location.
I'd recommend taking the front brakes and all of the components from a quad and getting them to work on this. You could even use the rear brake setup as well.
08:30 wondering out loud whether or not you could have just flipped the first bar upside down to automagically become the 2nd one? 🤷♂️
Hey! Ad a shock on the tall bars. I did that on my drift trike and it’s a lot smoother than a stiff bar when the wheel hits the ground
She's a Ripper 💯👍☮
I had one of those engines in my XLT SKS, they are very finicky engines. I ended up giving it to my buddy who makes things out of other things, much like you. I got tired of it not running right once off the trailer, literally after running perfect in the shop.
Love the priority here - Wheelie bar first, brakes sometime later.
great one as always! this one is a beast!
Some of the older polaris's had liquid cooled calipers, the TXL is the first that comes to find
Maybe try like mountain bike style disc brakes up front. Probably won't solve the braking issue, but might help as a line lock for some good burnouts.
With the first bar, you can add or remove psi to get it close or as far as you can. It's not like it needs to get traction.
You can make your disk out of thicker steel to help with break fad but it won't help stopping power, you need diameter for that. also remove the mill scale for better grip.
Watching you build the two sets of wheelie bars, I realized that you could build one triangled brace. The offset would be enough to keep the front end on the ground. The remove and flip it over to allow for max wheelies. Of course, you would have to build a quick release system to make it perfect.
I hope this is clear enough. I have PD have trouble with wrds
i would love to see this thing with triple pipes and a epi clutch kit, when i threw triple pipes and an epi clutch kit in my XLT 600 it was a pretty noticeable difference
Been waiting on this all day lol
Add a jack shaft to the rear axle with twin rotors and calipers for brakes.
Triple to stay on theme
I say you add a wheelie bar but use a small shock to help it. Even like a mountain bicycle shock would be awesome and original.
Should build a more aggressive frame for that engine. Things sick!
Weld some tubing that is slightly bigger than the tubing that you have for the wheelie bar on the upper part of the frame above the motor and on the bottom and make it so that you can slide it through and put a flip pen on the opposite end for quick release
Thought about steering in the little wheelie bar? Could do crazy 8's, lol. If not the wheel itself maybe where the bar mounts to the frame could swivel on one side and lever on the other. Then you could keep it straight up for miles of curves and traffic, heh heh. gg with the bar stock for weight.
I would be worried about the front spindles letting go, when you dropped the kart you can see how much they flexed. A front mounted disc would add some support at least.
The front spindles are sprung. That’s why they move so much. You can see the springs when he’s adding and checking the front weights.
Looks nuts but the best place is for that thing is cars and cameras they're have room for it they have something like that they have been working on with a snowmobile engine on it you should race them
Hard launches = slick tyres = drag strip 👍
How about adding a long piece of the 3” bar on the front outside the frame like a long bumper? Further out front makes the weight more effective!